Why F1's 2022 cars will be quicker than anyone expected

[@whassupg89]

I swear this happens with any rules that are supposed to slow the cars down. F1 teams are unstoppable

[@solidoperative]

It wasn't meant to slow them, the aim was to improve overtaking and as a result of the changes it was theorised that the cars would be slower.

[@Bahamuttiamat]

When you consider this year's car is already seconds slower than last years....is it really that impressive?

[@rafikusuma9989]

@VERY EVIL PERSON FROM ILLUMINATI if you see the laptimes between 2008 and 2009 you would see that theyre almost identical, mostly bcs of the return of fully slick tyres and various diffuser exploits. the cars lost the most speed when theyre switching from v10 to v8 and from v8 to v6. although throughout the post 2009 era theyre not exactly getting faster bcs the fia has a tendency to ban aero devices such as double and blown diffuser, f duct, merc's double drs, etc.

[@Nemoticon]

The new regs are not trying to slow the cars down... it is just a consequence of the other changes that potentially impact outright pace and lap times. Being a development series, the teams will however find ways to raise the bar and find that exrta speed with each and every update.

[@tobiaslumplecker7666]

@@Bahamuttiamat well you have to consider that the 2020 Mercedes was just absolutely insane and I would say is arguably the best car to have ever raced in f1. Still I know what you mean but it's largely down to the engines so maybe they should start there but what do I know.

[@mrslickman3061]

I still believe one team will randomly show up with a car 2 seconds faster than the rest next year because they figured out something big brain that the others didnt

[@heavierthanairfilms]

I wonder if the extra development time means that whatever super cool advance that one or two teams would have come up with to make that double diffuser type advantage won’t mean as much come 2022.

[@leonzhu1301]

nah they learned their lesson with pink mercedes, they wont be reckless with it

[@mrslickman3061]

@@leonzhu1301 pink Merc was one part of a bigger issue. Loopholes. Teams are good at finding them and suing them. Case 1, DAS

[@MrFrazierCampbell]

Fingers Crossed it’s HAAS 😂👍

[@mrslickman3061]

@@MrFrazierCampbell I mean they do have a whole extra year of working to show with them not doing anything to this year's car.

[@mols89]

FIA: "Next year's cars will be UPS trucks." F1 teams: **new track records**

[@user-kd8ji7rt4c]

Exactly

[@NhutHungTa]

Lmfao

[@LightOut.]

haha, good one

[@shukriwafiq5220]

Like literally, how fast can they go if they keep making records every year? imagine the future wtf

[@Real28]

"Brown Package Cars" (I worked at UPS long ago, they HATED when people called them trucks) Also, one of the worst places I've ever worked so I say this more to mock what they would tell us.

[@MambaBreezy24]

We don't mind if the cars become slower, we just want at least 4 teams having a shot at both championships. And everyone else closely battling it out for the midfield.

[@sfgdragoon]

uhhh yea no thanks.

[@canadianshai2561]

@@sfgdragoon wdym no thanks you don’t like to see some competition

[@WeddyLP]

canadiangod25 hes a merc fan

[@ligamo]

@@canadianshai2561 theyre just a mercedes fan dont worry

[@mikehartley4806]

"Bono can that comment be deleted"

[@sanghelian]

I bet the 2022 cars are going to be *WILD* . Teams have had an extra year to develop their cars (and find loopholes) yet they have not seen where they stand compared to other teams. Whatever happens there´s goin to be a big shakeup

[@soisaidtogod4248]

New to F1 then, nothing is really going to change.

[@quack9694]

@@soisaidtogod4248 right because the grid order didn't change in 2009 or 2014 🙄🙄, you sound like someone that's only been watching since Mercedes took over at the beginning of the V6 era

[@twlentwo]

@@soisaidtogod4248 nothing chamged? 2017 - well, you can maybeee say that 2014(new engines, and aero) - Mercedes started dominating 2010(new tyres)-redbull starts its dominance 2009(simplified aero) - brawn GP won 2005(tyre change ban, diffuser size limit) - Ferrari dominance ended, renault won I could list more...

[@jclips2098]

@@twlentwo my favorite one has to be the FIA banning active suspension. The FW14B is the greatest F1 car in history and one of the most technologically advanced pieces of machinery ever. Shame the FIA doesn’t let teams and engineers have fun

[@aniket4062]

@@jclips2098 it's actually FW15C, with Alain Prost running circles around Senna in '93

[@Trebuchet48]

The 2017 rules change was incredibly short-sighted. Fans, whether in the seats or watching at home, can't really tell whether the cars are faster or slower. They can, however, see that there's no passing going on.

[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

5 seconds quicker is definitely noticeable. slow cars aren’t particularly exciting

[@10001000101]

They had to make them faster than the v8s at least.

[@conorvile5506]

I am hoping for more overtaking next year! Too many races this year where nobody can get close enough to overtake with the dirty air

[@OhKnow379]

@@10001000101 the v8s were faster than the currents but were revlimited

[@brandonb.288]

@@v10-e8y Agreed. The fastest cars will be the most turbulent. The less turbulent cars will sacrifice lap times for better racing. I'm all for better racing.

[@changbeerbeer]

The new F1 cars may start slower, but as is the nature of F1, I’m sure the teams will get the performance back by the end of the year‼️💯🏎🏁

[@anshumankakralia7542]

Ye

[@valkeitos]

I doubt they'll be as fast as current cars but overall they'll be faster in high speed corners but slower in slow speed according to Charles Leclerc on the testing his has done in the sim

[@MagnumLoadedTractor]

Also potentially lighter...may be the 2025 engine might do it

[@valkeitos]

@@MagnumLoadedTractor yeah but even then i doubt the cars will be much lighter if at all

[@Bitterman5868]

These Shitboxes are literal ripoffs of 90's Reynard 99i CART cars with a bit of Modern Indycar on top of it, F1AMG ran out of ideas

[@Deamon93IT]

Raw pace is not as important as improve the ability to follow another car imho, as closer racing will make Sundays more enjoyable. How much time they'll lose compared to current spec cars is hard to say, although one thing is certain: the engineers will try to claw back as much performance as possible, especially as they get to know the cars

[@jajanka10]

True, up to a point- F1 cars should be the fastest non-oval track machines, period. I would like the next-after-2022-spec to be just.. smaller. It's easier to race side by side if that doesn't mean changing the post code.

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

@@jajanka10 👏THIS👏RIGHT👏HERE👏 These *should* be the fastest racing cars on Earth. And they should be smaller. 800 kilograms is territory easily breached by derestricted GT cars. F1 cars should be featherweights. That doesn't mean we should sacrifice safety, but the pre-2009 cars weren't exactly deathtraps. The new cars should have been AT LEAST as small as the 2014 cars, if not smaller. Let the teams deal with the packaging challenges and bring back refueling to help with the matter.

[@discgolfdetails9889]

@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 Good idea. I agree. Smaller equals less dirty air, more room to pass. I just want to see cars be able to pass. I've come up with the idea to renovate tracks to have multiple symmetric lines. For instance along a straight you can have one chicane go left, one right, then rejoin further down the straight again. No need to follow the car in front. To equalize both racing lines you can force cars to take a certain percentage of their laps on both sides. Say 45%.

[@possum2big]

AND to make their cars put off the dirtiest air possible under the new rules. Perhaps a series sponsor will come foward to reward this lol.

[@TeodorSpiridon]

@@buddhikaw Agreed. 2 seconds a lap slower makes the race 2-3 minutes longer which is frankly not a big deal. If they can just get the wall of dirty air that the current cars run into to be less devastating to following cars, then the racing will be better and should create more opportunities to pass. I also don't like how expensive these cars have gotten. If two hothead drivers bump into each other, it should not destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment.

[@rolandotillit2867]

You can still make an outwash front wing, and you don't unlearn what you have learned. Lots of things teams learned this year with regards to ride height and how the floor works means they have a lot of ideas to try out next year.

[@adkan1995]

you just know that some teams saw pat symonds statement and are sweating bullets if their cars are nowhere near 0.5s slower than this year 🤣

[@TheUltimateClashGuide]

Haas👀😂

[@Kacper_Kolodziejczyk]

@@TheUltimateClashGuide think they'll be sweating bullets if their 2022 car isn't quicker than their current shitbox 😂

[@Gearheart8]

Id love to see a team post that they are posting faster lap times even if not entirely true (a specific track or weather condition), just to see the ensuing chaos.

[@lightninlarry8936]

I’m so excited to see the cars hit the track for the first time. You know at least one team will have a car that looks way different than the model car the FIA has shown us.

[@yeet877]

Ofc, there are 2 or 3 body types they can choose from I think

[@parathoxicz1720]

Hoping for a 2004 Williams?! 😁

[@raiowyn]

you were right, ferrari is massively different in concept imo

[@wildsnivy7225]

I hope with all the time they say they're giving the '22 specs Haas can roll up in something better than a motorized shopping cart next season

[@boezerdieser]

imagine building one of the worlds fastest racecars (ever?) and then people just shitting on it constantly because there are 9 (far) better ones competing with you

[@wildsnivy7225]

@@boezerdieser I guess my comment was a little snarky in retrospect, but we joke about it because it shows they still have a way to go. Haas has a good pedigree in NASCAR and I do sincerely hope they can get back to their strong midfield showings come the new regulations

[@SwainixFPV]

@@wildsnivy7225 yeah they scored podiums when they first entered F1 right ? And tbh I'd love for Mick to show what he can do ^^'

[@nelsonedwards6184]

@@boezerdieser they’re basically operating at 97% of the performance level of Mercedes’ and red bull. Such a tiny difference, but every one shits on them lol

[@rozelynjenkins1811]

Motorized shopping cart 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@graemes8187]

Honestly, who gives a toss if theyre 0.3s a lap slower if there is exciting racing happening more than 3 times a season!! EDIT: Bernie Ecclestone enters the chat

[@anshumankakralia7542]

"who gives a fuck"

[@pauloaz496]

Well, this season there was like 9 or 10 exciting races (so far xd)

[@pauloaz496]

@VERY EVIL PERSON FROM ILLUMINATI who's braun gp?

[@Fred_the_1996]

@@pauloaz496 well, so basically honda pulled out of F1 at the end of 2008, and Ross Brawn bought the team for 1 pound and took over. He didn't have an engine so he bought one from Mercedes, and the car was barely finished in time for the season start. They found a loophole in the rules and created the double diffuser. Long story short, the low budget team won both championships

[@okamileek006]

@UC77smUweRnw3jsNNik2nArw Lmao you're a tool, "pinnacle of motorsport" is just a side effect of the nature of the cars, do you suppose they should remove the halo? let them reduce the weight of the material so the cars are faster? your way of thinking is what led to group b rallying, and we know how that turned out. F1 is an engineering battle, with the teams coming up with their own formulas to win races, it's not just a "haha fast racing" series like you seem to think it is

[@gamm8939]

They need to make the cars lighter again, the fact that they are closer to a ton then 1/2 ton is just ridiculous

[@zachemorgan]

They can't till battery technology improves those damn batteries are just so heavy.

[@gamm8939]

@@zachemorgan the batteries weigh a maximum of 25 kg, doesn’t seem to be the issue

[@Hirosjimma]

The Halo and other internal crash structures did add some weight. but most of the added weight allowance is because they want to encourage teams to use less exotic (Read: less expensive) alloys in the engine.

[@gamm8939]

@@Hirosjimma which makes the racing worse. If F1 keeps going these cars will weigh a ton in 10 years

[@ofuets]

@@gamm8939 but expensive materials bring worse racing too. Only teams with the highest budgets would be able to buy them.

[@lcker6973]

Wish they were smaller thus lighter, it would really be great. With the low pressure downforce creating much less drag I imagine the cars will be faster on the straights and in the high speed corners, the exact reason they were banned, well let's just see how it all plays out.

[@gucketjug]

I think a change in the length or wheelbase would make the cars really unstable, they’d have to change in a lot more ways than size maybe. Here’s hoping for a great season! 😁

[@jason9875]

2011 cars looked great

[@camalex7782]

That's not how it works the lighter the car doesn't necessarily mean it would be faster

[@sr_echo]

I didn’t really think of the cars’ pace next season, I just really want to see how each team tackles the new regulations and any cheeky innovations they squeeze out of them

[@mickcompagnoni1114]

Thank you Seth. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that notices that Engineering is on show as well as the driver's skill. I just wish all those that want to see the whole field covered by half a second, with 14 overtakes per lap, would move to South Carolina where they can watch overweight tin tops turn left all day.

[@irrationalgeographic9953]

History has shown that when the FIA has tried to slow the cars down the teams have ended up finding a way to make them faster.

[@canismajoris6733]

2014

[@aaronmiller5012]

Hopefully they’ll be fast but I’ll believe it when I see it.

[@SickplayaM]

True, but a lot of times it was a setback at first and took multiple years to be as fast or faster than it was before.

[@bobvido9875]

Youre so right ! And im sure there is a lot of loopholes to, when Merc expert team reads the new regulations they find a handful of holes. Like a Suisse cheese.

[@sebastiantrummer8838]

Does absolute speed really matter though? Sure, cars are now much faster than they were in the early 2000s but due to low corner speeds and high stability they have looked as agile as a mobility scooter ever since 2014. Hope this improves with the new regulations

[@prickly-pear]

They're still as long as barges tho.

[@yenice3652]

Low corner speeds ⁉️

[@BigPundo]

@@yenice3652 by modern standards

[@Arthurzeiro]

Low corner speeds? What?

[@andreadg5429]

Shut up lol f1 cars are faster than ever in cornering speed (2020 was the pinnacle), what you are claiming is nonsense. Hence why the lap times are lower than ever. 2014-2016 is no the same as 2017 - 2021 at all.

[@Sitania]

Depends if he's talking qualifying pace or race pace. At the moment tyre limitations make race pace much lower than qualifying pace. Potentially with the tyre changes, the race pace might not be much lower, if drivers can push more consistently.

[@alterego9576]

They're still huge Chevy Suburban Boats... That's great that they're faster, but I miss the smaller, agile, and twitchy cars that could turn on a dime.

[@skurd721]

The 2013 cars were the best looking of the thin track width F1 cars imo

[@kuzniets8694]

@@skurd721 yesss I absolutely agree those were lovely

[@SiR2Dean]

Hopefully they'll be slower lap times because there's more actual RACING! 👍

[@phillipbassett2509]

I'll take a couple seconds slower if it made everyone more competitive. I don't want it to be Indy style spec cars, but would be nice to see drastic competitive advantages amongst the same teams shrink, so we see more random podium combinations.

[@JakobusVdL]

The cost cap on the Teams, redistribution of payments, sliding scale of aerodynamics testing, and the 2022 technical regulations are all measures brought in by Liberty media to remove the advantage the the big spending teams had developed - fingers crossed it works

[@danmiller8152]

2:15 there was no race at Monaco in 2020 so it shouldn’t be included

[@janvanrenselaar5998]

There is never a race at Monaco,it is always a prosescion of cars.The one who trains fastest will win,when nothing special happend. Bye bye Monaco,streetcirquits and thilkedromo,s.Bring back the real tracks from the 80,s,cars with a V10 or V12 na,skirts for the groundeffect,refilling as much as you like. It is a race and not a who got the most efficient car parade.

[@sharvapotdar3257]

@@janvanrenselaar5998 ok grandpa let's get you to bed

[@janvanrenselaar5998]

@@sharvapotdar3257 why,the new tracks are boaring,no more great overtakings like on a tracl like spa or the hockenheimring,monza or zandvoort. Has nothing to do with age. When the F1 is the top of the top in motorsports,why use a scooter instead of giving the team more freedom in develponig the cars?? Ever seen races from the the 80,s?? Then F1 was realy spectacular,and less idiotic rules of tracklimits with ridicules penalty,s.

[@2Greenlid]

But Grandpa is right….

[@2Greenlid]

@@sharvapotdar3257 But Grandpa is right…

[@stevenwest5685]

My guess is the performance losses will be minimal. Just an additional comment to say that I think The Race is among the leaders in informed content on F1. Really enjoy this channel.

[@gabormiklay9209]

Moving away from the 650kgs weight is the biggest problem of F1. The current PU formula is just too heavy for 300+ kph. Hence more downforce is needed for cornering, hence the cars are more sensitive to dirty air. Damn!

[@pietrovilla15]

750*

[@KepleroGT]

@@pietrovilla15 he means the old 2000s cars

[@Chris-xl6pd]

@@KepleroGT Pietro Villa's new is showing. Probably a new F1 fan brought in on the Max bandwagon.

[@pietrovilla15]

@@Chris-xl6pd I just got confused and thought he was talking about the new cars. Fuck you

[@callmeshaggy5166]

@@KepleroGT the early 2000s cars were closer to 550kg

[@Shedoesntlikeme]

I'm excited for the upcoming year, I hope that car's colorway are become more beautiful and blend well to the design

[@shakesnbake]

I feel like 2022 will be status quo for that season as the best teams have the best people - as much as it would hilarious to see Maz leading the championship, I can;t see Haas creating a BGP 001 for example.

[@aaronmiller5012]

@Niccoló Pasquale Let’s hope he don’t spin out too much.

[@ExHwFin]

if these regs work well, the next objective for fia should be -Lighter cars. Adding back refueling would be nice, if they can find a way to make it safer. This would save some weight and might even give us fuel strategies. (do you stop for fuel mid race or fill up for the whole race from the start) -More powerful engines, maybe 1500hp (more sound would be nice too) -Change DRS rules so that anyone can use it anytime they want. Doesn't matter if they are first or last. (this is an easy way to make the cars faster too)

[@alexanderalexander3891]

I don‘t think the cars need to be more powerful. And it would stress the engines too much, going back to that time where an engine only lasted one race. Also I think allowing teams to use drs everytime they want would be safety risk. Teams pushing to hard and try using drs in places where is shouldn‘t be used and flying off the track

[@hamzahussain1184]

That would just defeat the entire purpose of DRS

[@gramsta836]

No the next step for the FIA should be to design regulations so that F1 doesn’t need any type of pass mode or DRS

[@hamzahussain1184]

@@gramsta836 that’s what next years regulations are all about. Dirty air from the leading cars make cars following them struggle to follow for extended periods and make it difficult to overtake without DRS. Next year’s regulations main aim is to reduce the negative effect from dirty air and thus make it easier for the chasing car to get close. Early tests show at least 50% improvements and possibly much higher. Can’t wait to see how this actually plays out next year

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Sadly we'll never see 1500hp again.

[@stephenwilcockson3498]

I think f1 cars should be the quickest cars on the planet around any circuit. They should be pushing the envelope on what is possible. I was really happy this appeared to be the case from 2017 onwards as imo having lap records last set in the early 2000s is wrong.

[@anonymoususer1824]

Yea but that's not practical. Race tracks are not capable of handling cars that go faster. They could make F1 cars go 300mph, but it wouldn't be safe. And the braking zones are already far too short which makes overtaking much harder than in previous years.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Always play school for you safety nazi’s

[@ThePlaidCanadian]

I think TheRace has the best KZbin content of all F1 for news on F1 and relating topics

[@sploda9886]

They’re going to be a lot quicker in the straights with less drag. Baku, Monza, Bahrain might see lap records broken after time

[@absolutkurrybigmanting1909]

Dont forget qatar if they keep it although qatar and abu dhabi are gonna be insane if theres less drag

[@kristoffmalabver1421]

And spa

[@kristoffmalabver1421]

And spa

[@vel5063]

I just want to see different teams on podium finishes every race weekend. Ain't nothing wrong with a HAAS on P1 in Spa.

[@juanin200]

There's nothing wrong with it but that has never been the nature of F1, there always have been (and always will be) dominant teams and struggling teams

[@Verziroo]

Haas are done in Formula 1 imo, not long now until they leave

[@funkycoldm3dina]

And....@3:29 they must all be having that famous Zoolander moment in their own heads. What Zoolander moment am I talking about? How are we going to fit all those drivers into that car? That was something that the FIA did not anticipate.

[@funkycoldm3dina]

Wow! thanks for all the likes on the comment I made. I appreciate that you guys got the joke. it is funny tho!

[@everraydymotorsport8902]

I think the fans could be in for a treat next year! All these things are good signs that we could see some really good wheel to wheel fighting among the drivers and teams for wins & championships!

[@manuelmanterola7070]

let's just hope one team doesn't run away with the championship like merc have done in the last years

[@SwanSycorax]

With the new generation of cars depending on ground effects generated by the "tunnels", I can't help wondering what the effect might be if elements of the underside are damaged by some of the kerbs. We have seen some spectacular damage done at circuits which have higher kerbs but, on the whole, whilst costly in terms of financial / repairs, they have not been significantly dangerous. I recall that there was concern about ground effects back in the early '80s that damage might cause a sudden loss of downforce resulting in a car flying off the circuit and serious injury and, as far as I can recall, this was one of the reasons ground effects and skirts were banned back then. I am hoping the new generation won't suffer the same way.

[@7mmalltheway]

Champ cars had right answer for your concerns. Those tunnels were well located not to be damaged.

[@JoystickFlicks]

Cornering speeds seem like they will be much higher with the new side boards. They aren’t exactly like the 80s vacuum effect, but it does increase the downforce a good bit. Also, the backfield racers will be far closer to the middle pack with the new rim sizes and reduced dirty air. Should make for tighter and more exciting GPs

[@Ruylopez778]

Isola: "So they feel like more of a racing tyre" Nice marketing spin. I don't remember drivers complaining about imprecision or lack of reactivity in the decades of big sidewall tyres before Pirelli were asked to make shit tyres.

[@Cinnabutterondemrolls]

Honestly never thought they would be slower than half second, especially with them going back to ground effect aerodynamics

[@stevenmoran4060]

I think Red Bull will be very quick with the new cars as Mr Newey who designs them just happened to be the designer the last time ground effect cars were raced and nobody got near his cars.

[@HorribleWeather]

Mr Newey also watched Mercedes win 7 back to back constructors and WDC lol

[@Firebolt1729]

2019 F1 cars were supposed to be 1.5 seconds slower, look how that turned out

[@anshumankakralia7542]

What ? No... They weren't supposed to be

[@LSchelvin71]

it's actually 2 seconds faster

[@croatiaboy11]

@@anshumankakralia7542 yeah man it was about eliminating dirty air and so by removing these elements they expected the cars to be slower

[@Mr2it3881]

I'm pretty sure the Lewis's 2019/2020 Merc is one of the best F1 cars ever.

[@pxrtus]

@@croatiaboy11 Pozdrav Croatia boiii

[@dr-et2ds]

I don't know I think usually slower cars associate with better racing but time will tell that's for sure

[@danmiller8152]

That’s only because fast cars have more downforce and therefore more dirty air. If there is less dirty air due to regulations, then speed won’t matter as much

[@implodingbaby]

Have you ever seen goodwood revival, best racing I've ever seen.

[@A.i.r_K]

@@implodingbaby it's not really "racing", is it. Hillclimbs and rally while are considered racing, there's no wheel to wheel combat, which is the stuff that literally every racing fan looks for

[@Carterwray1]

@@A.i.r_K they have a circuit where they do actual racing with very old cars too

[@andrewbailey7999]

@@A.i.r_K The revival takes place on Goodwood circuit, not the hillclimb. It's actual wheel-to-wheel racing between cars from every era of motorsport. If you want to see actual 60s F1 cars race each other flat out on track, the Revival is a great way to experience it!

[@TejasNaik01]

With that Merc spec engine introduced in Brazil 2021, I would easily bet Merc's would not only make up for the lost time but also gain more to go faster than 2021 spec cars. Can't say about the other teams though!!

[@pulie2330]

Best channel for. F1 news !!!! 💪🔥🏆 Thank you for your work!

[@marlinstarkiller5064]

I click on the video after I read the title, and pray while the screen is black and loading that its not published by Autosport 🙏🏼. Love ya work guys.

[@avallach2061]

For me it can be 15 seconds slower if it means closer racing. Curious to see the real pace though, it'll be interesting

[@thomasjohan3138]

F2

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

15 seconds slower and its not F1. An F1 car by regulation has to be the fastest car comfortably around an non oval track the reason the 2017 changes even came was that F1 cars were getting uncomfortably close to LMP1 and GP2 times

[@avallach2061]

@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 you have enough brain power to understand what I meant, I trust your intelligence, you can do it buddy go go go.

[@dilloncrain9111]

Went to the race at the Circuit of the America's and looked at both cars in person. The knew car is so much sleeker in every way that people will be able to push it through the corners and also push it behind the opponents for overtakes because there will be much less dirty air. I cannot express how different the wings of the vehicles are.

[@auscan_media]

I reckon the running order for the teams will be much the same as it is now, really looking forward to close racing putting more emphasis on driver skill rather than money thrown at development, at the start anyway maybe?

[@markhatvani6785]

Can there be a racing series where within a budget constraint you can do whatever? Call it, Formula Death. Brabham style fan, 4 driven wheels in the back, 4 steering wheels in the front, abs, traction control, adaptive suspension, hella turbskies, hella hrsprs, all the downforce, all corners banked, wider tracks, no restrictions on length/width/weight of car. Oh, and let inmates on death row race…

[@germshroom9786]

my real wonder is if we will still get this high vs low rake split among cars or if they will all adopt a similar rake given that venturi tunnels will now be the key feature.

[@Alf763]

Well you just want as much of the tunnel as close to the floor as possible

[@leeroythelight]

This rake ideology is going to the bin I think, as you will want the complete floor much closer to the ground. Unless someone comes with another out of the box idea..

[@kings_chronicle592]

A closer battle is what everyone wants to see to show drivers skills.i wanna see drivers be able to overtake and fight for positions.2022 will be a awesome season

[@rubyissapphire]

2:10 pretty sure there was no Monaco GP in 2020?

[@stephen_101]

Overtaking > speed. If we get better overtaking and they are just as fast, what a real treat that would be!

[@hugolouessard3914]

I'm more and more excited to see those cars in action ! It's getting really close now. Their speed isn't all important for me (so long as they're not 10s slower) but I want to see good racing, just like everyone else. The thing that irritates me, is the size and weight of those cars... Just 15 years ago, cars were 620kg and not fueled for the whole race. They were 30 cm narrower I believe, and at least 1meter shorter. They were so agile ! But also less stuck to the track, making them so hard to drive, and that showed ! Now they really seem to be on rails sometimes. I hope they make the cars smaller, even though they could become a bit slower. But the 2004 cars were way smaller, didn't produce as much dirty air, and yet they were faster than today's cars and we had good racing (not exactly in 2004 because Ferrari was miles ahead, but look at 2003 with very few changes)

[@Ninja98x]

The 2004 cars were not faster than today's cars. They were faster than the early V6 hybrid cars, but the 2017 rules changes made them a LOT faster and they started breaking records set in 2004. Then they kept getting faster and faster, until this year when the rule changes made them slightly slower than the 2020 cars.

[@iluvgtasan]

My opinion is the first couple of seasons will depend on who has the best engineers. There are going to be so many learning curves and things to fix and improve on.

[@TrueRegulators]

time loss for which type of track? that's a big variable. also teams have been developing for an extra year now, granted without actual track time, but still that's at least worth 1s

[@croatiaboy11]

I think Spain is the benchmark

[@thethirdman225]

Okay, I don't know enough about these things to really give much insight. 20 years ago I was briefly involved in a university research project investigating F1 aerodynamic stability and I have some limited wind tunnel experience. It's not going to be just a matter of downforce. Sure, it's possible that the new cars will be closer in performance than expected but it's also possible that the swings and roundabout changes will make such a prediction nearly impossible. But I'll stick my neck out and see. First of all, I believe a cleaner car will be a faster car. I fully expect these cars to have a better L/D than the current ones. The elimination of the Y250 vortex and the control endplates, not to mention the elimination of bargeboards get rid of a lot of drag. Intense vortices like that are bad for L/D, even if they are more than offset in other areas. But downforce is only useful if you can translate it into grip. The new regs eliminate a lot of suspension wizardry that has played a huge part in making sure the tyres are worked to their fullest. Now they will be virtually back to the basic spring and damper units, which means that the cars will move around a lot more, which will definitely impact their corner speed. So any extra downforce would probably be outweighed by the less effective suspension. The move to a wing car also had the effect of moving the centre of pressure forward, which will offset the now less-effective front wing and the lower profile tyres should make the handling a bit sharper. Overall, I expect the cars will probably be quicker in a straight line, probably nearly as quick through fast sections (with the exception of places like Eau Rouge when there suspension will be heavily compressed anyway) and slower through medium speed corners, which comprise the majority of todays circuits. Just my 2 cents. Blaze away!

[@fleghel]

HAAS has been too quiet and “under the radar” for quite some time now, and they are definitely trying to run incognito when it comes to development and “projections” for next year… I think they might have something up their sleeve. I sure would be fun to want him them mixing with the midfielders.

[@JacobStevens13]

I don't have much hope for them. It's like Red Bull in Nascar, just didn't work. Haas is a Nascar team attempting to play F1 operating in a tiny town in North Carolina. It's like running a Nascar program in Austria and expecting to go to places like Darlington and compete. I think they're more likely to not exist in Formula 1 by 2025 than still be involved.

[@aaronmiller5012]

@@JacobStevens13 Well it’s a disHAASter for them. Should have stayed with NASCAR or maybe go to IndyCar.

[@aaronmiller5012]

Haas is meant for NASCAR or maybe they should go to IndyCar, I don’t know for sure but they keep hitting rock bottom in F1. Maybe for a replacement team should be Porsche f1 team, Bugatti F1 team, or even Lamborghini f1 team. This is just my opinion!!!

[@JacobStevens13]

@@aaronmiller5012 They're still pretty good in Nascar. I think they might have led the series in wins for 2020 with Harvick winning all those races. This year Hendrick was like Red Bull/Mercs so Haas had no chance. They're like McLaren/Ferrari level in Cup series; top end of mid pack into upper tier but not close to Hendrick/Gibbs

[@aaronmiller5012]

@@JacobStevens13 Haas better come up with something to get out of the hole in F1 or else things will go down the pan for them. What engine is Haas running? Maybe get a Mercedes engine haas.

[@williaminbody205]

Love to see normally aspirated V12’s with no aero packages allowed. Or even better, only rule is open wheelers and must fit into the box.

[@qvor1996]

I just have the feeling that F1 should have stayed the way it is right now until 2025 and then go for a full overhaul of the sport with the new engine regs + the aero regs together

[@MKRCinema]

Couldn't agree more. Just as the cars werr getting closer, they change the rules. Besides, if they want to go fresh, but as well start fresh everywhere, including the engines .

[@joebarthram596]

The question is, if the racing is getting closer due to cost caps and other regulations... Do you think 'racier' cars will help or hinder... I think the racing will be much much better....

[@qvor1996]

@@joebarthram596 yeah but they are quite good for close racing right now, no? We have awesome battles every race (besides monaco).

[@ant2312]

@@MKRCinema disagree, no guarantee they'd still be evenly matched next year without the reg changes. The last few years before now have been dire

[@leeroythelight]

well tbh it's the 2022 reg's changes that made this year's racing much closer. Sure the additions of the cost cap and some other regs helped, but if all teams were focused on the 2021 cars the results would have been different. It is well known that during a regulation change, teams tries to balance the work load and resources on both sides, where some have confirmed where they were focusing on. TBH, RB have already said that they were developing this year's car as they finally have the chance to give their drivers the WDC...while Mercs have said that they believed their package were enough to fight and were focused on the 2022 car.

[@dantheman8749]

If they could find a way to make refuelling safer, I really wish they could bring back refuelling. It would even further make racing on a Sunday more exciting, because now not only is there tyre strategy but there’s a fuel strategy that comes into it, so the smartest teams will benefit, richness of the team doesn’t impact how smart a strategy team is. It would also make the cars lighter which is always a plus side.

[@tdyerwestfield]

I'm excited for the car reveals in February. It's going to be very interesting to us budding aerospace engineer wannabes.

[@SergeantMoetz]

I remember Adrian Newey once saying something like: The job of the cars designer - when he's facing new regulations - is not to make the car go faster but to regain as much laptime as possible. Teams will definitely find many innovative ways to make the 2022 cars almost as fast as the last gen cars.

[@remphey]

Honestly, I think that's good. Maybe the 2022 cars will finally look like they are actually doing 300 KM/H and are always on edge again. Me personally, I hope that Codemasters is able to replicate that experience into the F1 2022 game 😀

[@WollcottHD]

they wont. we all know that cmon. look at the glitchfest this game already is.

[@remphey]

@@WollcottHD well yes, but since EA just bought Codemasters maybe they are now able to make an actual AAA F1 game.

[@leeroythelight]

@@remphey if CM makes a 'more realistic' f1 game, a lot of people will surely stop. What makes it fun actually for most of the player base is how easy it can be handled, even with no assists on. Though, sure this will make it a more enjoyable driving, I think they are actually doing a good job in terms of gameplay they are offering. I hope to see another f1 game with much better physics with the current ones still being available to a more generic public.

[@remphey]

@@leeroythelight I thought the handling was good. You know, F1 2020 was my first real racing game and then I tried the Assetto Corsa RSS F1 mod and it just felt a lot more satisfying. I know this is subjective but I just wanted to say that. Also I don't think that a (more) realistic would draw people away. More realistic does not always equal to more difficult (for example F1 drivers apparently said that the IRL cars have more grip than in the game). What they could also do is make a setting called "Realistic handling" and "Casual handling" or something. I hope they use EA's money properly because all I want is to know how difficult it actually is to drive a F1 car in terms of handling.

[@leeroythelight]

@@remphey yea , the handling is good for what it aims to be. They never wanted their f1 games to be fully sim like, and that's what is good about it. Though, I would say that being more sim give less margins of error, even though it doesn't translate to being more difficult, it make it so that errors you do just make it less forgivable. I think this is subject to skill/experience... As this is related to the game's physics themselves, it's nearly impossible to satisfy both ends. How it actually is I think is good enough to please both sides

[@collingoat]

It’s going to be fun to watch teams improve race by race. I do hope we are breaking track records in a few years of these regs bc IMO that is what F1 is partially about. Creating cars that extend the limits every year

[@archea2476]

I think the 2022 cars are maybe 1 second slower than these years cars,but time will tell.

[@mgustafson2010]

Honestly I feel like most fans understand the core fo the changes and are fine with them. We want more competitive racing. I feel like most complaints mostly coeme from aesthetics and other more surface level complaints.

[@notmyrealname1698]

3:30 George knowing he will be in a Mercedes in 2022 😂😂😂

[@RockwhiteMX]

I think sausage curbs will play a huge role next year with the majority of downforce generated from the floor and susceptible to damage and won’t be a quick fix or swap to repair damage

[@johnmcglasson3287]

This seems to be the first time rules have been changed for the good of the sport, not to suit a certain team or respond to a single teams' rapid development. If it's truly leveling of the playing field we'll see a completely different landscape next year, with Williams and others able to compete for wins. I hope.

[@Alf763]

Backmarker teams will still be slow, there will always be dominant teams it’s just how close you can race if you have the pace advantage that’ll change

[@johnmcglasson3287]

@@Alf763 my point is still correct, thanks for pointing out the obvious, that there are winners and losers

[@Alf763]

@@johnmcglasson3287 “Williams and others able to compete for wins” “Completely different landscape” “Levelling of the playing field” All these things indicate you think this is going to be like stock cars, which it won’t, you will not be finding haas and Williams near the front if they are a weak team, you may find a new team at the front of the grid but that will be regular and because their car is better than expected, this won’t be a “pole one race 20th the next” scenario

[@karacop78]

Yes, it's an academic question since we're supposed to be interested in how close the cars will be fighting, not how fast they will be overall. Academically speaking though, I believe they will be slower and I'd give a max of 2 years till they reach their current speed. (Probably much less than that)

[@viktormunkknudsen1557]

"Coughs" party-mode ban midway in the season introduced at Monza 2020 "Coughs"

[@Mbartel500]

I think it will depend on how well the new cars take the kurbs. Riding on those kurbs, is the key to faster lap times. Also finding the optimal ride height, spring weight, and dampening for each track will play a big part in clawing back the lost performance. That extra weight will be a challenge though.

[@stewartlewis3503]

If the pace does drop, it'll in part be due to E10 fuels requiring better fuel 'management' during the race. Welcome back to the boredom of watching cars driving well within their potential, even more than they do now, just to save fuel.

[@abu-omaral-bakr392]

Take me back to the cars in the early 2000s nothing can be compared to this cars driving 348 km/h

[@bruhbruh4871]

I have a feeling that overtaking might not be as easy as they say it will. The cars will be so bulky and heavy that wont allow the drivers to throw them around as much.

[@callumburton1287]

Good video the race👍

[@jsuisdetrop]

Well this ages well

[@daktus05]

very well indeed

[@ryangee9182]

Wish they put more focus on the sound of the cars vs. the speed. There was little "visceral" experience as a spectator at F1 Austin 2021 compared to F1 Indy 2002

[@EddieVanAidan]

I'm really looking forward to these cars, mainly because I think the cars of the last 5 years have been hideous! But anyone who watches other motorsports knows that outright speed doesn't really matter if the racing is good!

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Yep. Today’s cars are disgusting pigs visually. At least all the ridiculous barge board bullshit will be history.

[@EddieVanAidan]

@@user-yk4gd1fl4z yeah that's my pet hate. Ruins any shape and livery with all those dozens of little wings spouting out

[@Exzd]

3:41 upper right moustache

[@trackstar1337]

he look like dr eggman

[@Milkydrummer]

The only thing that saddens me about these new regs, and ANY new regs tbh, is the constant weight gain of the cars. It’s anti F1 in my opinion. I know, I know, safety blah blah…… but still…

[@Chris-xl6pd]

the weight gain isnt all safety, its the new engines... they weigh so much.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

It’s the fucking battery and the packaging of it.

[@Milkydrummer]

Chaps it’s the halo too. That thing weighs a ton

[@lemonade6126]

So many good points in this video. A lot of it may be uncertain. But what i'm seeing is it's more of what the teams can do rather than the regulations itself.

[@dudumartins7]

melhorando as ultrapassagens e as brigas mais próximas, pode ficar mais lento a vontade

[@Phantom096]

In the late 70’s Ground Effects were very powerful. These old cars were fast and appeared to be on rails. So it is possible that the wings will be more for decor because Ground Effects could produce impressive downforce with the new technologies available today.

[@dughuff8825]

Title: "WHY F1's 2022 cars will be quicker..." Video answer: "None given..."

[@TheSacuLlp]

My father always loved Lotus for their Lotus 78 as the first ground effect car and always simplified it for me by saying "if you went faster with the car, you had better downforce" I never really cared about it because it was banned so long ago and now it is coming back.

[@Chris-xl6pd]

Thats literally a "water is wet" statement. Any form of downforce increase with speed, its literally a force created by moving air lol.

[@mrdllo1731]

I think I know the answer. SIZE

[@TMJ32]

The 3 problems hurting racing are: 1. The tires 2. The aero 3. The size of the cars They have apparently addressed #1 (I'll believe it when I see it), and #2. I'd like to see them do something about #3 and the easiest thing they could do right off the bat is make the fuel tanks only hold 20kg instead of 105kg. That would reduce the overall length and also help the tire situation even more because the cars would be way lighter all the time.

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[@scottyskydog]

1. Doesn’t really matter if there slower at first, which we all know will evolve with time. 2. If the racing is closer with the new car and an the gap from the front to the mid pack shrinks that alone should help with fans.

[@jerry24675]

If they are not faster we will watch Indy

[@elianioriofarrell]

Faster isn't the aim of these regulations, it's to close the grid up and have better on track action, like indy. The faster they go, the more risk of another dirty air, drs train championship.

[@LSchelvin71]

Indycar going hybrid anyway 😁

[@valkeitos]

Indycar will still be slower than F1 by a considerable margin

[@grayaj23]

@@Son-Of-Gillean That's the really sad part. I tried to watch the Portland Grand Prix and couldn't stand it. I'd rather watch a 15-minute highlight reel than repeat that exercise in frustration. Even the paid streaming video services I could find still have advertisements. I know they gotta make money somehow, but I'd rather pay an annual subscription and have no ads. I'm not paying for a service that's as bad as what I saw for the Portland race.

[@elianioriofarrell]

@@Son-Of-Gillean it really isn't unwatchable, you just need to learn to have patience

[@SweetFlexZ]

Great video, greetings from Spain :)

[@reddmessiah6363]

One thing I don't understand about the fuel is why it hasn't already changed? In Australia for the supercar series they use e85 and you can purchase it and servos as well.

[@SeanAkari]

I’m hoping we’re going to see a lot more battles in the coming years. And F1 is going to be more competitive. This year has been spectacular! I like idea of thinner tyre walls giving the cars more maneuverability.

[@Tyler_Evans0411]

I’m intrigued to see how quickly the teams can improve with the new cost cap

[@Chris-xl6pd]

Whilst i have a lot of faith in the FIA to understand how to prevent the teams creatively interpreting these rules i think some teams will have exceptionally good accountants that will understand how to change prices of things based on other deals. So for example, trading in a locked system is easy to police, but a multi national company like merc will have small companies, holding companies and even companies not really even tied to its name. This will leave room for exploitation, where merc can do work for a company that supplies them in f1 from one of their side companies as payment. Keeping money spent out of hte eyes of F1, i dont have the financial language to do this topic justice but some of these teams are going to get very "creative" with their spending. These are some of the biggest companies in the world and have spent years, decades learning how to bend the rules of finance, this new cost cap formula is going to create a new calculation for speed "accountant tenths"

[@chrisburnsed6349]

I’m excited about the changes . Very much Looking forward to it.

[@vicedrn]

I honestly wonder if they could just bring skirts back now. With the vast improvements in safety since the 80s, the "unsafe cornering speeds" are now "really really really high cornering speeds." It'd make the lap times much quicker without having the dirty air problem.

[@Chris-xl6pd]

Yea but now its about unsafe driving condition. These cars are so bullet proof and protect the driver so well that they feel immortal, the problem will be skirts will be easily damaged by contact and these boys love contact just because of how safe the cars. Its not the unsafe corner speeds anymore its the drivers lack of respect for each other based on how safe the cars are.

[@gseric4721]

Trying the 2022 spec on a sim, time is going to widely vary by track, but getting within half a second sounds like quite a stretch, at least in terms of qualifying. 2021 was quite a bit quicker than a lot of us thought, but I still think this will not be the case with the 2022 spec.

[@aobrien2]

I think the gains will be rapid. i dont know where they'll start but i'd expect a 3-5 second improvement over the season with Venturi tunnels a massive development area to increase cornering speed.

[@8-bitMosh]

I think it will come down to the style of track for pace gain or drop off, tracks where you have your foot down for longer I think will see faster lap times, and the opposite effect for tracks where you’re not