Why Farmers Always Win

[@h0ser]

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[@hystonix]

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[@jacquest2642]

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[@therealanthonity]

no

[@sickomode6440]

Betterhelp was exposed long ago

[@Cmdrbzrd]

nie kurwa

[@500ccRabbit]

Who needs farmers? I get my food from the supermarket

[@RipVanWhinkle]

lmaoooo

[@DiceTwenty]

best.

[@notinterested7911]

Why are my eu dollars spent on artificially protecting me from cheaper produce from other countries

[@alexj-t2331]

I grow mine lol

[@XDrang93]

Good luck keeping it stocked up without them. lol

[@Tathanic]

Australia has this problem where there is a duopoly they dont pay the farmer enough and overcharge the consumers as well

[@samkr2221]

dude trust me even if there isnt ,farmers will protest let me give an example .. in india farmers are protesting lets see what they are demanding - withdraw from WTO - pensions ( farmers are exempted from income tax ) ( pension for 80-100 million people which if given will be 21% of budget) and icing on the cake - full debt waiver I respect farmers for growing food but this is BS

[@asjdiaosdjasd]

so does Indonesia

[@Doge5600]

Yep same here in the US, only more companies.

[@irahryphson8879]

They're in debt because modern farming methods bankrupt them

[@GlasbanGorm]

it hasn't even begun yet. The governments need those farmers, they dont need you.@@samkr2221

[@oldred890]

Better help is a known scam thats been in massive legal trouble and scandals multiple times

[@michaelvossen7253]

Yep. But they still support many KZbinrs with their sponsorships. I don't care who sponsors my favorite creators since I don't have money to throw at bad products anyway.

[@shinypaintf588]

​@@michaelvossen7253 ppl who have money and are dumb need protection. we may be smart and not have money but it's still scummy to take advantage of stupid ppl

[@willy8285]

@TheR3alRyandamn why do u say that

[@Adthereccomendationsguy]

Bruh whats your problem with this guy​@TheR3alRyan

[@slamjam7676]

@@michaelvossen7253 Waow (based, based, based, based)

[@AllPileup]

Never expect a video with the title "I Want $0.76 off Carrots- NOW!!", but here we are, and I love it

[@brawlaj5246]

182 likes and no comments?Lemme fix that

[@2goober4u]

​@@brawlaj5246 ok

[@woojoo6382]

I remember the title being that, beautiful

[@GarbanzoBeansFan]

it got changed

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

The original title confused and intrigued me, lol. But, I always watch h0ser videos no matter what. The new title makes more sense, though.

[@NapoleanBlown-aparte]

First title: GIVE ME MY 0.76 CARROTS NOW!!! second title: Why farmers always win-no matter the cost Third title:how to destroy a country..using rice Edit: 4th title: why farmers always win

[@Chris_winthers]

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[@highbread817]

I think the most recent one is actually best It finally got my attention and seemed to pick up in the algo. It's basically common practice tho cuz attention is hard to grab these days

[@altaraiser1054]

The third title feels like way too dramatic

[@ThunderTheBlackShadowKitty]

And all of them are wrong lmao.

[@moisesjimenez4391]

The only issue is that in the Netherlands and France they were protesting fertilizer regulations that would make it harder to grow crops and also in turn hurt the consumer.

[@doomepic]

One big problem is the supermarkets here in Romania. They charge so much and give so little back to the producer. People have started buying from local warehouses that sell with only +5% added fee (compared to the 80% of the cheapest supermarket)!

[@randersen2171]

Correct, same here in Denmark, and ppl dont know.. :/ so sad, oats are sold for 0.2 eur/kg in supermarket 2 euro for oats... crazy 10x mark up. after harvest for pressing and putting it in a bag.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

We need more nonprofit food options in the US!

[@wilkinsandwontinsachievemu3772]

Ever since i moved to western urban-suburban half of Long Island, ive been going to the eastern rural half of the island for cheeper food prices.(They dont grow much food where im from, Appalachia, so i take advantage of it)

[@BusinessWolf1]

Those farmers should set up stores.

[@doomepic]

@@BusinessWolf1 Its hard for consumers to drive to all of these stores and everything that's organized (like a marketplace) has fees or rentals.

[@xsham6224]

everyone knows hoser was short 76 cents on his groceries and came here to complain

[@pc14thenumber9]

Hoser : "Where's that cent come? Plastic bag?" Cashier : "...it's carrot.." Hoser : "...aigh't I be back next day to pay that amount. Keep that carrot then." *proceed to make video about food and farmer and make revenue out of YT vid for that 76 cent

[@norwegiansmores811]

he shilled to the fraud scam company betterhelp. i think he has it well. you'd only shill such a evil back handed company if the money was right.

[@Fallout3131]

@@pc14thenumber9😂😂😂😂

[@ilbamil262]

​@@pc14thenumber9😂😂

[@SouvenTudu1]

😂🤣

[@itisWhatitis12345]

It's backfired in India though. Instead of switching to other crops they stick to the same over supplied crops selling to the govt. *The consequence* : The water level is depleted so much that agriculture is becoming increasingly more expensive and since the same crops are oversupplied they've gotten even cheaper creating a burden on the govt to keep buying wasteful amounts of food.

[@adamheuer8502]

Ehh in India the farming subsidies are kind of essential because the old socialist government made viable jobs to mainly be only extremely high paying white collar stuff and farming jobs. If they cut all the farming supports overnight it would probably cause an economic crisis.

[@quinnholloway5400]

India is cursed

[@artoriassif3728]

It’s almost like the people closest to the forest only ever see the trees

[@srajandikshit7590]

​@@adamheuer8502Those farmers that were protesting get exclusive subsidies and procurement deals that no one else in the country gets cuz Farmers from Punjab Haryana and West UP are big boyz

[@allensnea9335]

@@adamheuer8502yeah the whole point is to not have such regulations. Open markets have made the economy prosper.

[@talexratcliffe]

Yeah, not sure this is the hill to die on. Being dependent on another nation for your agriculture is not a good place to be.

[@khsh99]

As long you have the mony , everyone will try to have you as a customer and will bring anything to your doorstep 😊

[@MGYT2106]

​@@khsh99 Can't even spell correctly and you expect your argument to be valid? Many countries don't have arable land which means that a select few grow enough food to sustain themselves and export it. Take China for example, they were incredibly dependent on the USSR's food imports to keep their economy going. Well you know what happened to the USSR, which shows why China is in such disarray.

[@bbernyy64]

He didn't just mention the u.s... You know that right?? My country (NL) literally is the second largest exporter of meat next to the united states, and we are currently in a nitrogen crisis because of these farmers; our country is simply not big enough

[@skootzkadoodles]

As a CAP policy analyst i was so weirdly excited you covered this 😂 fun fact: cheddar cheese is so popular and cheap in Ireland because it is an easy method of using up the leftovers from making whey protein powder, which is worth a lot more per gram :D

[@namelast5029]

What does a CAP policy analyst do and where would one even get a job like that?

[@marcusmoonstein242]

In South Africa cheddar cheese is as expensive as rump steak per kilogram, and the leftover whey powder is often used to supplement pig food. I once met a guy who owned a small ice cream factory and he used whey powder as a cheap way to bulk up his mix.

[@meilinchan7314]

@@namelast5029 Prolly because in Europe, CAP is a thing and it raises a plethora of legal issues. CAP policy analysts advise medium to large companies on how to negotiate the legal framework of the CAP in EU. Agriculture is an important area of concern for the EU, and has been so for its forerunners ever since the Hongerwinter in Holland during WW2.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Das CAP, das CAP

[@winkpoke1576]

Sugar in the US is a bad example. Most US foods are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup which is derived from corn, not sugarcane. Corn grows all across the country.

[@Jonathanizer]

Care to explain why is sugar a bad example then? The mechanism explained with this example extends to bigger markets/lobby groups such as corn. It basically works for almost the entire food sector. He never said he uses the most prevalent food or largest market shares. He explains the economics behind why farmers protest and lobby, and the general populous accepts slightly higher prices, for which sugar is imho not only a good example, it's a perfect example.

[@DanielWilczek-nu7ff]

@@Jonathanizer Because it creates a perception of a larger issue that doesn't actually exist at this scale. You'll find that Corn farmers don't experience this process nearly to the degree say a sugar farmer does. It matters because we *actually* use corn syrup on a nationwide scale *heavily*, something cheap and plentiful, especially since the center of our country is almost nothing but corn and grain fields. Sugar is hard to grow, expensive, and doesn't have nearly as good of an effect as corn syrup when it comes to sweeteners. They may both concern a type of farming, but one is genuinely important where one would disappear and really only small towns in the middle of nowhere are gonna experience. Most US granulated sugar is already imported because we don't have the environment to produce it properly at scale. Sugar farmers will innately be more aggressive over tariffs as they are nearly non-existent compared to other types of farmers. So now, not all farmers protest or fight tariffs like this. Usually just the ones that end up trying to grow environmentally dead-end crops.

[@Jonathanizer]

@DanielWilczek-nu7ff Your assertion that it creates a false perception of an issue that doesn't exist is wrong, these issues persist throughout the entire farming sector of the economy and in the entire developed world. Where sugar is grown or what food exactly is used in explaining the concepts of the video is not very important. Important is, that farmers have outsized political influence compared to their share of the population or their share of the economy. This political influence translates into subsidies, tax cuts and other privileges. I am not saying this is wrong, since we literally can't live without food, but it nevertheless is a fact, that it happens. We can debate whether farmers have a strong political influence is good or bad, but we can't really debate the fact, that this is the case (at least in the developed world). Not all farmers protest or fight tariffs? Of course not, but all have some kind of representation or lobby groups that do it for them. If they physically do it themselves, or have it done by proxy doesn't really change much. This is not even a criticism, in a functioning democracy everyone is free to use their voice and vote as they see fit, and that includes economic gain in accordance with their incentive structure. Some people seem to confuse this stuff. Simply pointing out, that farmers are lobbying is not a criticism in itself. It's like saying the sky is blue during daytime and people acting as if this is a kind of accusation against the sky. No, it isn't, it is just a fact of life. Of course some people then go on and criticize farmers on the basis of the fact they (as a general group) are lobbying their politicians. If you disagree with such a criticism (as do i), it is not a good idea to simply deny the factual basis of the criticism, because then you are factually wrong and will loose the argument (even though it is easily winnable). You can counter such criticism in many different ways, for example you can just say: "Every political or economic group uses their influence, farmers are just a little better at it, and it is their right to do so in a democracy." Or you can say: "Slight overproduction and stable prices guarantee stable production, and therefore a high degree of food security. If you wait a few months for a gaming console, because of a shortage, that's not going to cost any lives, but if there are food shortages, people starve." Both are valid arguments when discussing the issue. The first example for an argument is political, the second one economical, there are many more good arguments that can be made here, and which one is the best depends on who you are talking to. Denying reality to win an argument is not necessary here. No offense my friend, but your denial of the simple fact that farmers are masters at lobbying means you are ill informed, i mean just look at just the examples from this video alone, and then consider they are by no means comprehensive, just a small sample of examples to explain a bigger trend. So the "perception", as you call it, is not false, it is correct and factual and actually the main point of the video, which again confirms imho, that sugar was completely fine as an example to make this point. Works for corn too, but the concept is clearer to see, since sugar is production is so concentrated in few communities, who then put their political weight behind the interest group of sugar traders/farmers, the effect is more visible.

[@whome1319]

If there was no sugar tariffs then the free marketed price of sugar could compete with high fructose corn syrup and we wouldn't be putting this crap in every single product as substitute to real sugar

[@richdobbs6595]

Part of the reason that we sweeten with high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar is the high domestic price of sugar. Consider that Mexico continues to use sugar for soft drinks. Corn has different methods of distortion - principly subsidies for ethanol to be used as transportation fuel. Corn grows all across the country, but the largest production is centered in Iowa, which creates a powerful lobby in Iowa, Minnesota, South Dakota and Illinois.

[@BlueprintScience]

Farmers in the Netherlands were actually protesting nitrogen limiting environmental policy that made it impossible for small farms to profit. This video in incredibly reductive in claiming that farmers just want to raise prices.

[@rickysampson8759]

This is a commie channel. He doesn’t know anything except capitalism bad

[@PyroRaptor841]

Yep. If small farms get fucked, now all of a sudden your entire country is reliant on a Mark Zuckerberg type to.. eat. That sounds like a great idea!

[@postbote331]

100% this dude seriously has no idea what it's all about

[@uzefulvideos3440]

But they did not merely protest that.

[@ogifull632]

You didn't even watch the video 😂

[@TheAcreanCandidate]

Really wish you had discussed food independence more. That's one of the main factors motivating these subsidies. Its perfectly reasonable, at least to me, that nations are heavily invested (figuratively and literally) in ensuring that their people have the food they need if there are global shocks in the market. Its basically a massive insurance program: everyone pays a bit to ensure that the food supply doesn't fall to crap in the face of a multinational war or famine.

[@SethTheOrigin]

Exactly. People need to realise we don’t live in 2001 anymore. The world is much more unsafe and taking an aggressive stance on essentials is required more and more, just look at Germany and Russia after the Ukraine war started.

[@conserva-chan2735]

​@@SethTheOrigin>we don't live in 2001 anymore This is the fundamental problem with Hoser and other Neoliberals. They still think it's the world stage of the 1990s, 00s, or even 2010s when if anything it's closer to the Concert of Europe/WWI world stage. Free trade just isn't strategically feasible anymore.

[@tempo5366]

@@SethTheOriginWhen it comes to autonomy there are definitely areas much more important than food or natural gas. Not that they are not important, but they are abundant in the west. Even with its heavy dependence on Russian gas, Germany switched quickly to other suppliers. Similarly, almost all big western nations produce massive surpluses of food. If you want autonomy, focus on what China produces/controls/might control and we don’t. This includes a massive amount of absolutely crucial manufactured goods. In my opinion, our governments should subsidise semiconductors and less so already abundant food. There is absolutely no sign of a crisis in food production, why intervene constantly then?

[@nukedispenser349]

@@tempo5366 there is no sign of crisis in food production because every single country is regulating and subsidizing it, if there was a crisis in food industry the whole country could turn to shit in a week. For example, Ukraine and Russia produce around 25% of all the wheat in the world, it would be really bad if something happened in that region... Or Ukraine produced 52% of all sunflower seeds and oil in the world before the war.

[@Kamikazeesouled]

You missed the part about haitian rice.

[@griffinbastion]

Can't believe you listed France twice but not Poland even once

[@PavltheRobot]

Yeah, makes no sense

[@Popcornmix494]

There were more protests, naming every single one adds nothing to the video

[@grafgeo9194]

Twice? Didnt i hear france three times? 😆 It is because of the french clichee: they protest as often as they change their underwear: regularly.

[@btg7760]

He did mention Poland

[@arrielradja5522]

Cuz it's funnier

[@mikel9656]

Farmers always win for 3 reasons. 1. They keep to themselves unless really bothered. People generally know this, that's why everyone see farmers as honest hard working folk. 2. Farming is flipping hard, and even harder to make a profit at small to mid sized scales in modern countries with a lot of regulations. 3. We all need to eat, if you crush farmers or piss them off to much millions starve, ask the Chinese, Russians, and Ukraineins what happens when you fuck around with farming too much.

[@sithlord5149]

You mentions the USSR twice

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

​​@@sithlord5149Still, it's valid example

[@daanwolters3751]

If it is so hard to make a profit, why do farmers earn more than average in almost every country?

[@sithlord5149]

@@daanwolters3751 because they are the ones who get to keep being farmers

[@wilkinsandwontinsachievemu3772]

My family immigrated to latin american country of Panama specifically to escape the Great Famine

[@carterjanssen265]

As a Candadian I can say the Dairy Cartel is no joke. Real cheese is a luxury good.

[@himesilva]

You're telling me that stuff like brie, camembert, gouda, manchego, etc. isn't pricey in other countries? I assumed it was all imported, which would make it more expensive, no?

[@alexandert6489]

​@annacastro2855 we Canadians pay abit more for dairy because of milk quota however our dairy farmers are protected from things like mad cow disease and overflowing markets since if ag isn't profitable, not many people are going to do it. However loblaws like jacking prices for no reason to make more profit

[@bipolarkeyboard]

Have you ever tried the no-name superstore cheese? Absolutely disgusting & whatever fillers they're using don't melt and become rubberized. Not to mention it's like $12 for 700g ☠

[@nielsdelange3602]

The main problem is the environmental regulations if in Europe but also in Canada the regulations are very strict so the farmers have to spend a whole lot more than a farmer from a country where those regulations aren’t in place. If you want cheap milk and cheese you have to regulate the farmers less.

[@rbdan]

I guess that explains why Canadians drive to Detroit to buy groceries

[@owenglover8268]

In Australia our problem is that the two main supermarkets buy the produce for cheap then sell it for 5 times the price. Because we only have two main companies running it all the consumers and the farmers get fucked.

[@thomasgolds4585]

Bingo, that’s the exact problem. Food prices are equally too high and too low, and this is a major part of the problem

[@sammyjones8279]

Seems like there could be a meet-in-the-middle where they double their buy price and half the sell price and still end up with a mark up... Buuut that would mean some Auzzie billionaire can't afford to pay off his 15th yacht or the loan on his pet kangaroo and backwards spinning golden toilet (idk what rich Australians buy...)

[@dioniscaraus6124]

​@@sammyjones8279Rich Australians buy politicians

[@owenglover8268]

@@sammyjones8279 our billionaires just buy up media companies so that no one can talk shit about them. But I think the gold toilet is probably true as well

[@edwelndiobel1567]

What?! Only two supermarkets?! I thought it was crappy in the US with just 7 national! We have dozens of regional markets though.

[@magnuszerum9177]

Grain is so cheap in the US, it is cheaper to burn actual food to stay warm in the winter than to burn sawdust pellets. Sometimes efficiency isn't the most important thing. Sometimes it is better to keep some inefficiencies in place for more reliability and functionality.

[@t.xaviersalgado4106]

Agriculture is almost like having a army, you don't want to rely exclusively in the protection of other countries

[@jofujino]

I think you mean "production in other countries." And I think the big issue is if you're overly reliant on a single region or climate zone. If you really want food security you want diversification. That said, sugar is a pretty poor example of consumers hurt by lobbying and protectionism. Sugar has terrible long term effects and psychologists have found it an addictive substance, so of course people are probably consuming too much of it but just have a hard time visualizing and taking into account the long term consequences. Just the additional burden of cost high sugar consumption has on programs like Medicare is justification for government intervention to try to discourage consumption, which is what maintaining higher sugar prices does.

[@smeminem1258]

let's be real here, none of the farmers care about the strategic implications of farmer divestment, they want more money

[@arthas640]

also the rednecks are always filling the front lines.

[@JoeRogansForehead]

Tell that to every country in the world about navy’s

[@kristianbach4369]

​@@smeminem1258if farmers cared about money they would not be farmers.

[@Elongated_Muskrat]

Everyone wants subsidies but without regulation. Truly a 'have your cake and eat it too' moment.

[@ZOCCOK]

True. I think that the current system of subsidies and regulations is the best situation. Sure the tables need to be made a bit more fairer, but overall it is better than the alternatives

[@fricraft1]

subsidies in a market would be a regulated market. What are you on about?

[@varnix1006]

​​​@@fricraft1government like to sneakily not increase the subsidies according to inflation or straight up not giving subsidies when the farmers did not do what the government want. Edit: Governments supposed to soften the blows from the middleman's agreement, but the "unaccounted spendings" like to cut their budget short.

[@trollmastermike52845]

The problem is without all the protections a very poor third world country would produce everything, and in a modern world climate nit being self reliant is stupid because of war

[@paul_teske]

given the political climate in most "third world" countries, i doubt a lot of companies would be willing to invest in better farming infrastructure there, so your argument goes both ways@@trollmastermike52845

[@moisesjimenez4391]

@hoser I’m pretty sure the Netherlands and France were protesting EU fertilizer regulations that would destroy their businesses and not trying to demand higher prices. Maybe that was included as part of their demands but all I remember hearing was the fertilizer protest. It seems a little unfair to glance over that glaring issue

[@fluppet2350]

For another example, here in Canada we were told to reduce fertilizer use by 30% but were also told to increase our yeild. I think even someone who has no experience with agriculture at all can see the problem.

[@misham6547]

​@@fluppet2350I used to think that Canada being the Soviet Union was a joke, but that sounds exactly like something like the Soviet Union would say

[@MusicalRadiation]

In The Netherlands are angry that they can't fuck up the climate and the land as freely as they are used to. They are generally not eager to innovate as well, because they tend to be very conservative, and let's be real, the large-scale bio industry is extremely profitable for them, as they export 75% of the meat they produce. But they try to convince people that the population will starve if not for the huge bio-industry. And the funny thing is, people believe this bullshit.

[@jesseparrish1993]

I'm reminded of Clarkson's farm. He had worked for an entire year and the total profit, without subsidy, was a few hundred bucks. Farmers basically break even most of the time, and the amount of work and risk is simply not comparably paid as compared to similarly-skilled fields like engineering. Forget the up front investment and risk. Food subsidies are here to stay.

[@HeavyMetalorRockfan9]

tbf we didn't see the total calculations, that was also his setup year where he bought $$$ equipment and was constantly spending money on getting things rolling. I'd be much more curious to see what he made on the second and third years. A lot of the pricing problems also come from middlemen, this is true. In my area if I try to buy a whole cows worth of meat I'm going to be paying something like $2500 at a grocery store. I can get a cow direct from a farmer for $500 and pay a guy $200 to butcher it, I just have to have all the storage for all that meat (space and energy, which both cost money). Farmers in Canada literally have to dump their milk if they overproduce to keep prices high, but if you know the farmers they'll sell it to you at a massive discount rate compared to grocery store pricing (illegaly of course, same with the cow + butchering is technically illegal). It just seems like our logistics are not efficient enough with rising energy and food prices, we need to get better at going from farm to table in a more efficient manner. In fact, over 50% of food is known to be wasted in the home, and a further 25-30% spoils in grocery stores, so we're massively overproducing our food

[@jesseparrish1993]

​@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 I only cited Clarkson's farm because it was high profile. The numbers, and how common that situation is, are easier to find. Farmers generally have to put a lot of money up front on equipment, as well as notoriously expensive maintenance on equipment. (Caterpillar and John Deere have terrible reputations on repair.) Unfortunately, KZbin nukes comments with links. The pandemic brought record prices, and thus profits, but these are now in steep decline. I found some dated figures: farms with net incomes comparable to that of a skilled engineer - net incomes of $120k - require something like $3 million in assets, carry around $500k of debt, typically, while averaging an estimated $75k in unpaid family labor. (Purdue ag department, 2010-2019 figures.) This while working ~55hrs/wk on average and up to 70hrs/wk during harvest. Some years more, some years much less, which you buffer with assets and debt. Again, I'd rather spend a few years at college working half as hard, then engineering working 3/4 as hard, for a steadier, more secure income with less risk.

[@JohnDoe-xt3kf]

@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9Spending money keeps on being an issue, agriculture is heavily regulated and policy changes can quickly result in the need to spend a lot more money to make adjustments or in direct losses

[@The_Foolish_Fool]

@@HeavyMetalorRockfan9 " I can get a cow direct from a farmer for $500 and pay a guy $200 to butcher it" No, try $1500 and the butcher will charge about that much for butcher on a 1000lb cow.

[@iqbalindaryono8984]

No it doesn't, WHY do we need subsidies in the first place? The problem isn't the subsidies, it's the middle man. Buy low, sell high, and everyone gets shafted.

[@suspiciousafternoon]

whoa they spray sh!t on government offices 😂😂 i didn't know they moved like that

[@deep_cuts2019]

It’s inspiring really

[@sammyjones8279]

Most people who live or work on farms have access to a near unlimited supply of feces and a complete desensitization to the smell. Do not f$$$k with them 😂

[@explosivereactionstv7414]

Heavy shit if you ask me

[@L.internet8]

What did ye expect out of French ppl?

[@Eoin-B]

We have had loads of incidents of throwing food, especially messy stuff like kababs, at our local leaders as well as one major tabloid putting out bounties to do it in both the UK and Ireland. You can get away with a lot of this in Europe. Just imagine doing it outside of here. I think Japan and S Korea do it too. True freedom.

[@4Usuality]

My dad manages a hospitality business that lets say is designed to cater towards richer individuals. We live in a rural ish area but there are large (some of the largest in the US) cities not that far away. Who do you think gets my dads services, rich city dwellers or farmers? Farmers. I've never met a poor farmer in the US, and I've met at least thousands as I work for my dad, yet "poor farmers" are all I hear about.

[@michaelvossen7253]

They're probably farmers that have been making profits for a while. And considering how important they are to society, I think we're better off with well-off, happy farmers so more people are drawn to the industry.

[@nicholasbrown668]

​​@@michaelvossen7253no we really aren't, it tends to be extremely profitable farms that are *highly aggressive towards any other farms around them* lived in a town where *one profitable farm* started forcing out every other farmer in the area by getting good deals with the local government on buying up good arable land for cheap asf, within a decade we lost 80% of our farms, shitty thing is? most of that abandoned farm land isn't even used now, guy just bullied his competitors out, bought their land for cheap, and is sitting on it to prevent other farms from popping up

[@420Khatz]

Just because farmers in your area are well off, doesn't mean that's the case throughout the rest of the US, let alone the rest of the world. Same mentality as "all the black people I ever met were criminals, therefore all black people must be criminal". You have a very narrow and limited repertoire of experiences.

[@Ark-me1jn]

Wow! ONE town has lot of rich farmers so does that mean there are only rich farmers in the US? Ya no.

[@amanitamuscaria5863]

Almost like farmers are a backbone of civilization or something.

[@Austrian_Butcher]

Yeah exactly. Im not a farmer but i also depend on farmers as im a butcher.

[@extremenorth425]

​​@@Austrian_ButcherYou depend on farmers as you're a human being.

[@Austrian_Butcher]

@@extremenorth425 wise words.

[@bogdan7266]

They're just part of civilization, like all of us. They're part of the same civilization that provides them tractors, gasoline, parts, fertilizers and many other services that they require to be farmers. The world isn't "farmers allow the world to exist", it's "we all work together to continue existing." Oil is also a "backbone" of civilization, doesn't mean we need to bend backward for big oil and let them do whatever they want and not tax them.

[@LexisVoyage]

@@extremenorth425i dunno man i could just eat bugs my whole life

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Farmers also have the stereotype of hard-working, honest people. Most people have a positive view of them, as opposed to other professions like bankers lawyers... that would have a hard time mustering the same level of popular support.

[@Jonathanizer]

Eating is more important than suing your neighbour over his ugly fence or loud dog. You'll only do the second one, if you are secure in the first one.

[@Janoip]

But many many arent, they make their own prices down with overproduction and see the goverment subsidies as their birth right, all the time crying about money, but have the newest gear, big house and many even 2 or 3 houses they rent out...

[@nishlash4786]

@@JanoipWhat fucking farmers are you talking about.

[@victory8928]

@@Janoipthis is not all nor do I think most farmers. Many small farmers are well poor due to having to bleed money to afford the green revolution’s inovations (fertilisers, better agricultural machinary, etc.) look at Punjab. A region in North India who once was able to be self-sufficient in food production but due to green revolution and well india’s population explosion many farmers became deeply indebted to even be able to grow crops not even mentioning how climate change and environmental impacts, it isn’t a certainty that they will even be able to make even. This is the risk all farmers face, the more rich you intially are the better you are at taking losses which drives lower income families from farmland when it isn’t subsides, plus a lot of value goes to middle men who are needed to transport, process, store, perserve and finally get food to the shelves, which takes a ton of potential cash from many farmers especially in areas with little to no proper wage/price for farmer’s goods and even then said prices may be too low to even make a living.

[@NearQuasar]

⁠@@JanoipA bad harvest can cause a massive rise in debt and larger farms are more likely to survive due to economies of scale.

[@OldRecordMedia]

The problem is that the cost of operations for farmers keeps doing up due to government regulations, equipment costs (farmer's have been fighting for years just to repair their own tractors), patents in regards to seeding (no really, farms can't even replant their own seeds in the US due to patents on the seed's genomes), etc. Farmer's even with all the price-hikes can barely break even. The EU protests were sparked due to very similar circumstances: The government(s) making boneheaded decisions that strained the already overburdened farming market, jacking up their costs to well beyond what's sustainable while limiting what they could charge for their products. This doesn't apply to all aspects of farming nor every country but at least in developed nations this has been an increasing problem.

[@theworldoffun8997]

Agriculture is the most protected area of an economy, but at the same time, average farmer in developed country is in danger of international competition from less developed countries, in Europe, is limited with ecological measures and constantly fucked by corporations that sell genetically modified seeds that give harvest once and dies making farmers dependent on these corporations.

[@guntherjager5085]

Ngl, the small farm ideal is just to inefficient

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Gmo fear mongering is kind of goofy. I'm generally in favor of smaller, more local agriculture still to be clear. European farmers don't have to buy gmo, not to mention I'm pretty sure most anything gmo is banned in most of the EU anyway.

[@gabrieldsouza6541]

@@chickenfishhybrid44Small, local agriculture is inefficient.

[@sammyjones8279]

1) Terminator seeds are not currently in production (and for MANY REASONS we need to keep it that way, so keep spreading awareness that the technology exists and remind people that it's banned *for a reason*) 2) The problem isn't GMOs persay but the fact that a corporation can put a near *unlimited patent* on a genome, which hurts *everyone*.

[@jasonreed7522]

The reasoning for why agriculture is the most protected industry is pretty easy to understand, you want a stable food supply or you risk famine. Obviously there are multiple ways to ensure a food supply, but for national security reasons most countries prefer domestic production. (And the incumbent farmers will try to protect themselves from being made obsolete.)

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

Because farming sucks. I’ve done it. You work 24/7 365 days per year. It’s tough.

[@RavenKarting]

and in return you get nearly no profit, and get attacked by vegans, and also immeasurable amounts off stress from the weather not being right, or a massive amount of livestock having TB

[@PragandSens]

yes but, its repetitive easy to learn work lol

[@RefRed_King]

​@@PragandSens🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@JaKingScomez]

@@PragandSens90% of jobs are repetitive. Farming is brutal. Its not easy growing food. Even with modern day tools you can lose an entire year if work in a week.Its a constant struggle for the farmers.

[@klausheissler6651]

Not to mention everything else like a warm or cold season a drought or even sickness and disease or even pest that are constantly evolving or adapting to common pesticides fungicides etc. the simple fact that this guy can’t acknowledge that it’s the government picking on farmers who then retaliate (mind you a farmer doesn’t invest time or effort and money into something and not expect to profit) and not just settle is absolutely ridiculous.

[@shawnbowie8935]

Packing companies control both how much farmers get for their products, and how much is charged to grocers. Farmers do need to get more for their product, but the corporate greed of the buyers, coupled with the control those buyers have over the industry, has made it exceedingly difficult to produce food.

[@ThePilot3332]

“Farmers always win” Stalin and collectivization: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@TheSkyGuy77]

Famine and disease: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@TinuVoicu]

Land overexploitation and deadly experimental chemicals entered the chat.

[@psychoedge]

@@TheSkyGuy77 we had those before and after the soviet union existed.

[@TheSkyGuy77]

@@psychoedge Cope

[@AlexandroGarcia6492]

Thinking you can put the farmers on check is the dumbest way to decapitate your country, THEY MAKE YOUR FOOD. And imports are not cheap.

[@justsisyphus]

shows you ain't never met a farmer in your whole life, this shit is a labor of love. blame the supermarket, they the one selling the product 5x the price they pay for it

[@DarkZerol]

The video isn't wrong at all. Agriculture is actually one of the most commonly subsidized industry. EVERY single government in the world does it, anywhere from poultry to daily cooking necessities like sugar, flour, cooking oil, etc. etc. is significantly subsidized by the government in some shape or form in order to protect farmers and plantation owners and to prop up said local agriculture industry from collapsing. The subsidy in question can come anywhere from tax breaks, free or significantly cheaper procurement of farming equipments and supplies to even a specific guaranteed quota that the government will directly buy off any excess produce as to ensure said farmer would be essentially inmunue by any possible financial loss due to market fluctuations.

[@Ark-me1jn]

​@@DarkZerolsubsidies are a good thing

[@brazni]

To add to the video, there are also massive security implications for a country to be able to fulfill its agricultural needs domestically in the case of conflict or a regression in global trade.

[@badsport4035]

7:19

[@siruoro6718]

There's so much more on the line here geopolitical wise. If our food security isn't given from reliable sources like our own country (or at least a close ally) we're at the mercy of whoever ships us our food!

[@robertvanderlinden2813]

A little correction here, farmers aren't pushing for higher food prices, they want more money for their crops as most farmers are living on the brink of seeying their next harvest or their farm taken over by gouvernments who build the land full, plus supermarkets and factories earn more than tripple the cash from the same product in weight, the market your purchase from makes about double they give out on product and factories about quadruple

[@BillNyeTheBountyGuy]

If there ever was a group to pay above average, the group that literally puts food on my table is a good one.

[@austinm3377]

Yeah not starving is good.

[@TheManinBlack9054]

​@@austinm3377why not police or the doctors? Or the infrastructure workers?

[@austinm3377]

@@TheManinBlack9054 fucking cops have never done anything for me other waste my time and take my money.

[@teamfossil6312]

@@TheManinBlack9054You can defend yourself, and you don’t need a doctor or to fix a road every day. You need to eat every day

[@hamzerpanzer]

​@@TheManinBlack9054Those are good too, but why the whataboutism?

[@nicorozner7417]

You should give me $0.76 off carrots… (Thunder noise) NOW!

[@heatseeker72]

We all need to eat. If the "free market" can't guarantee a food supply, i.e. keep farming profitable, then it is a broken system. No farmers, no food.

[@VaporSlav]

As a Farmer I noticed a couple of things. The Claim That Farmers make Bank is not necessarily true, last year (without giving away too much info) the Family Farm made 2ish Million dollars but we only farm 211ac and milk 44 head of cattle. Most of the cash earned goes back into the Farm and Sugar Beet farms are even more focused on putting money into the Farm as to make Money Sugar Beet farming you need to spend big big Bucks on a picker, planter, the tractors needed to run the Equipment, and the Trucks to haul the Beets to Storage. All in all to get a Beet Set up that you can pay the Bills efficiently you need to spend a Lot of Cash, and not everyone has a Lot of that lying around to buy a 100k tractor, 200k harvester, 30k for a high dump, and 80k for a truck setup (not exact prices and Trucks can be rented) so they need to go to a Bank for the Equipment

[@lluisfargaslopez9603]

Most people with regular office jobs can't comprehend the economics of family farms. They only see the milions of income and treat them as revenue. The majority of farmers live like they weren't making minimum salary but, of course, spend hundreds of k in equipment, utility bills etc. Is important to note that the 1% of farmers, as well as in the majority of sectors, are walthy as fuck playing as realtors and having multiple businesses streams. These types of farmers only mantain the farms for subsidies or sentimental factors.

[@edmondgreen7970]

at the end you don't even list 500k in setup, something you only spend once, you only set up once, and yet made $2,000,000. Oh gee.....I wonder if the bank will cover that?? You make MILLIONS and don't even spend that much on equipment every year. Yea welfare queen, you make bank.

[@redroadrebel7049]

Not to mention most of the time it's the retailer which makes all of the money not the farmer himself.

[@VaporSlav]

@@redroadrebel7049 the grain elevators do make a pretty good cut, but most does Go back to the Farmer, who in turn puts it back into the Farm

[@fluppet2350]

Our family farm in Canada which is not small by any means, consisting of 1600 acres with a mixture of both cattle and grains cannot afford to buy ourselves a 30 year old used hay rake, an upgrade from our 55+ year hay rakes because after input costs, maintenance and so on we are left with barely enough to live on.

[@Zephmir]

Milk in Canada was slow to rise in inflation, that small increase was small compared to every other food type. That’s thanks to the quota system.

[@alexandert6489]

Yep protects our markets and farmers. I work in the dairy industry and would rather pay abit more for milk than farms dying off

[@Ofxzh]

Its almost like if you try to knock out a support column, the fuckin building collapses. It’s quite literally “don’t bite the hand that feeds you”.

[@fake-inafakerson8087]

One thing to keep in mind is what inherently tends to happen in free market situations, which is consolidation. Once all your food is made by the same few producers, they can set price, and you can't not eat

[@blocks4857]

No it doesn't. Natural monopolies are a retarded concept

[@sython8188]

And then since prices are higher your local farmers become more competitive again without the protectionism. It's a misnomer that free markets cause cartels, quite the opposite actually. The formation of Cartels requires extreme regulation

[@thegames4565]

...Which is solved by buying from anyone else who isn't part of the big fish. If it truly is a free market you'll have suppliers of low medium and high scale to choose from, as opposed to if it's regulated where the bar is higher and higher so getting into the game is unnecessarily complicated

[@Nightishes]

Some context over what was complained in France by farmers: 1) Nonsense regulations, which is that France pushes more regulations and a lot more bureaucracy than what the EU requires. It doesn't help the situation since the corporates can just import cheaper goods from Ukraine (like chicken, seen on all national news) while our farmers are forced to a higher standard. In times of inflation such as now, it makes them unable to sell their goods. 2) Higher prices in supermarkets != them selling for higher $$. They can't meet even a decent salary unless you are part of the top 1% 3) It was seen as a Gilets Jaunes 2.0 and the government definitively doesn't want that to happen again, thus why they quickly tried to calm things down. Don't forget that your small farmer isn't making bank from most regulations.

[@ukyoize]

No such thing as "Small Farmer"

[@MrVideoVero]

Sounds like a robust social welfare program is needed to allow farmers to maintain their livelihoods is needed, It helps small farmers while not giving billions to ultrarich companies that own most of the farms.

[@karolinakuc4783]

If you have monopoly you will be able to set prices

[@JoeRogansForehead]

Yellow vest failed

[@Aligartornator13]

In Germany one of the main points in the protests is that bureaucary for financial aid is so complicated that many small farms can't afford to claim it. The policies were made for huge agricultural corporations with thousands of hectars and bosses wearing suits and sitting in an office all day. They can employ an office worker filling out subsidy forms all day. For a family farm with just a fuw hectar it's simply too much work and not worth the effort.

[@someguy165]

Farmers have alot of power, which makes sense because they make our food.

[@DragonsAndDragons777]

The price isn't caused by the farmers asking for a few more cents, it is caused by the supermarkets reselling the products for two, three times the price

[@magicjuand]

where do people get this from? supermarkets are extremely low margin businesses basically everywhere in the world.

[@NormalPerson053]

And here we go gonna include mafias cut also in name of supermarket. You all lie. You all have a boogyman big corporations you all say they and government behind everything but farmer mafias are also part of there racket. And guess what they use small farmers as meat shields from protesting market trends they will be the 1st casualties they keep the system that way. And also since there is a similar feeling for farmer as that of soldiers and countries can't ignore and you all squeeze the normal folks just like them big bullies. You all may never be defeated but never think you all right you all are same market manipulators and frauds like those asshole soros and bezos.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

​@@magicjuandout their ass. I go to farmer's markets a lot, they cost about the same as what you get in the supermarkets, but maybe a bit better quality wise.

[@taylorroos4414]

I get paid 85c NZD for a cauliflower currently, thats one cauliflower delivered (at my cost) to the supermarket. Shelf price currently is $4.99 NZD. Make that make sense

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

I like your channel avatar, I do like dragons as well. Also yeah I think ultimately the problem is the unnecessary middleman that is slowly becoming less necessary overtime and more of a burden due to the sabotage they do to both farmers and consumers. But there's also the CEOs and shareholder capitalism which I prefer calling by a different name. I think a more accurate term for the system we're currently living under is rapeism cause a lot of capitalists are really rapey y'know? They constantly hate the idea of consent and want workers to work overtime and never say no. It's rape in all but name.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

Because it is socially unacceptable to protest against common people.

[@sammyjones8279]

It is socially unpopular to inconvenience the common man but legally devistating to inconvenience a billionaire and his company

[@23uncbball]

Who decided that lol

[@obi-wankenobi9871]

​@@23uncbballSociety.

[@SaltyChickenDip]

Farmers are no longer the common people

[@hexa7730]

in germany there are protests and farmers get insane ammounts of subsidies, among others an avarage of 50k€ direct payment, and subsidized fuel. this is the opposite of common people

[@cykablyat473]

I’m an American farmer watching this video in line to dump a truck load of corn at an ethanol plant. Without subsidies, the ethanol and biofuel industries would absolutely collapse, taking with it the massively improved quality of life that it’s given us over the last 15 years. I don’t grow an acre of crop that doesn’t go into ethanol production or biodiesel, because if we go back to growing wheat and barley, we’ll go bankrupt

[@dan.w.2432]

It gives you an increased quality of life, but in net it makes the avg american poorer.

[@cykablyat473]

@@dan.w.2432 if you want cheap food we can do that, but the only farmer left will be General Mills. We haven’t grown crops for human consumption here in years and years either

[@user-xp8nq5mf9y]

Considering that small farmers are asking for the ability to work a job and live a LIFE, I say for such an essential group in society, they ask for very little.

[@michaelpuffer7299]

So are coal workers, but we're generally okay seeing those jobs disappear.

[@peterfireflylund]

Can’t the farmers learn to code?

[@brendanwiley253]

Theres a scale of jobs, on one end is corporate news letter writer for a letter that no one reads and purely exists to tick a box, and on the other is farming.

[@ezequielcattalin7402]

Farm protests in Argentina were not asking for subsidies or higher prices. They ask for the repeal of a tax especially created for them that left them with about 30% of their income.

[@thecameraman8648]

I like the cute art style of the farmer and stuff like the graphs a lot. It's hilarious, enduring, and adorable that it be great to see it in more vids. It's just so funny and cute seeing the farmer go angry and the scream sound effect you use

[@GarfieldEnjoyer1878]

I hate this trend of changing video thumbnails and titles. It seems so deceptive.

[@EvilParagon4]

Not a trend. It's just playing the KZbin game. It's not that they're trying to trick you into watching the same videos twice, but find what gets shared better by the algorithm. If views start going up 11% faster with one thumbnail or 13% faster with a different, you'll pick the second one.

[@GarfieldEnjoyer1878]

@@EvilParagon4 Blame the game and player. Hoi nee hoi

[@hippityhoppity9563]

The game wants new people watching the same video, the player change itself to appeal to a broader audience. Content and comment section become messy. Blame both obviously.

[@dooby1445]

What a pathetic thing to complain about.

[@akramgimmini8165]

What about my Cabbages?

[@AskTorin]

My Cabbages!

[@aggressiveindifference]

Asking the real question

[@bernardoheusi6146]

I blame China.

[@Abrar_Rahman_Nafim]

Same Situation in My Country Bangladesh 🇧🇩 But Farmers Are Not Protesting Because We Are So Scared of Our Dictator 🌚

[@beetlebg3759]

The female leader of Bangladesh is not a dictator

[@Purjo92]

@@beetlebg3759There is so much corruption that it can hardly be called democracy and therefore its leader is pretty much what we would call a dictator. At best the country could be called a hybrid regime.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

@@beetlebg3759 dictatress? dictatrix?

[@iconofthicc6086]

@@rizkyadiyanto7922sounds kinky

[@Abrar_Rahman_Nafim]

@@beetlebg3759 Your Not Bangladeshi You Don't Know, He Do Rigged Elactions! As A Bangladeshi I Can't Vote in My Life Freely! My Dad Also Was Forced To Vote Hassina Infront of Gun! 80% People Hate Hassina Because He is India's Puppet

[@memeeeeh]

Farmers are not protesting for higher food prices. They are protesting the insane regulations imposed by the E.U and our local government. These were not horticulturist that were protesting, but cattle farmers. Horticulture is the only branch of farming where there is still money to be made.

[@estebanjosearancibiardrigu4068]

Well, at least in Argentina farmers protest for the opposite: freer markets. Our industry is so competitive that the government mostly taxes the exports of agricultural products. And this is a really great cause of political instability, so please consider: whenever europe closes itself it comes at the cost of poorer and inestable countries remaining the same.

[@bipolarkeyboard]

Wow, what a great country. We should aspire to be just like you guys! 😂☠

[@estebanjosearancibiardrigu4068]

@@bipolarkeyboard kjjjjjj we are a mess but we have a really strong agricultural sector

[@Filterbubble-rz7rf]

It's so refreshing to watch a well researched video, that doesn't just explain how one thing is good or bad on the surface, but actually assess the implications.

[@adamheuer8502]

No Amos things he says in this video are bullshit from someone that skimmed over the topic and made assumptions based on their first impressions. Please don’t listen to anything said in this video

[@KucingLunox]

@@adamheuer8502and your counter point is??

[@Epidian]

@@KucingLunox Are you expecting that in a comment? It would take a whole new video at least 4 times longer. If you think there's just one counterpoint you're just not getting it.

[@jacobchambers8036]

Please forgive Adam above but he’s right, this is written from the perspective of a consumer with absolutely zero knowledge of the agricultural industry. The issue essentially boils down to farmers make less and less for each calorie produced while processors distributors and governments charge more and more. Your price increase are not due to farmers but because the processor is charging more, the grocery then ups their charge as well. The consumer inevitably suffers. Government help also almost always hurts us as well as even the direct subsidies we receive (I’m in the US) will cause ag supply companies to up their rates, landowners will up rental rates, essentially the entire supply chain we rely on to produce our crops will up their price to take advantage of our subsidies or even our price upswings. Every portion of the economy is poised to take advantage of farmers, and because farmers are such a small minority in first world countries they are a convenient scapegoat as well. It’s a fascinating if macabre subject actually.

[@Epidian]

@@jacobchambers8036 Exactly. Farmers are not meant to benefit from subsidies. Their main function is to stop the price of land tanking. If it did banks and pension funds etc would be devastated.

[@ienmefamo]

Farmer: *looses* "Aight bet." *Starves us all to death* 😂😂

[@trekkienzl2862]

Here in 🇳🇿 New Zealand, we are a major producer of beef, milk and dairy products but the price of food here is also very expensive. Same in 🇦🇺 Australia, where whilst the price of food is Australia is slightly cheaper than here in NZ, it's still rather expensive. However, when I was on holiday in 🇹🇼 Taiwan, despite Taiwan not having much of a farming or agricultural industry of their own, the price of food there was remarkably cheap, which was surprising considering that when you look at the packaging on where beef and milk in Taiwan comes from, much of it comes from here in NZ and Australia. Doesn't seem fair that whilst I was in 🇹🇼 Taiwan and the 🇵🇭 Philippines I found that food in those countries were cheaper, despite these countries not having much of a farming industry and these countries importing most of their food from NZ and Australia, New Zealand and Australian beef and milk sold in those Asian countries are cheaper than the same NZ and Australian beef & dairy here in New Zealand and Australia.

[@LandoCalani404]

I can't stop watching your vids, they are not only educational, but insanely witty and pleasing.

[@Haha_yes_im_real]

It happens so often in France that we even invented a word “grève”

[@609_uu_xD]

Having betterhelp as your sponsor, YIKES!

[@Filterbubble-rz7rf]

Why? I honestly don't know much about them and would like to.

[@dioniscaraus6124]

​@@Filterbubble-rz7rfThey hired unqualified psychologists and sold information about people's private life

[@nothingtoseeheremovealong598]

@@Filterbubble-rz7rfTake it with a grain of salt, but I heard that they sell your data to advertisers

[@victorshopov4913]

they are also based in Isr*ael and sponsor the IDF.

[@victorshopov4913]

comments are getting deleted y'all

[@Adreno23421]

And then walmart goes and hikes up their home-brand prices by 40%, just cuz. And their several billion profits just go up.

[@adamsajtos3974]

No farmers = no food. It's simple

[@maksiksq]

Poland. How the hell you didn't mention it in the begging, it's probably one of the biggest one's right now.

[@thomaskloos6409]

My thoughts exactly but then france came a 2nd time on the list

[@immentallunstable111]

And to think all of this shitshow in Poland started with ukrainian wheat...

[@beetlebg3759]

Wait till you hear about India

[@anonymouslund]

​@@beetlebg3759 He literally mentioned India, you blind?

[@beetlebg3759]

@@anonymouslund I am about to prove you so wrong you lil batch! I know he said India in the video. But according to the commenter Poland’s farmer protests are one of the biggest right now and while’s he is right, the farmer protests in India hold more weight so now you know why you are a sussy fool.

[@camuor3645]

6:03 A note, better help doesnt actually guarentee that the person will be licensed or qualified; it says so in their TOS

[@LiLSnack13]

Clarkson's farm shows why farmers always protest

[@korakys]

I'm seriously impressed with this video. Not only is it about a very important yet under-reported topic, it also manages to cover pretty much all angles of the issue.

[@UnclassifiedMigrant]

I love how he exploded at the end

[@phylloence]

hey!! he didnt explode!!

[@dmoncayounicauca]

Congratulations to your channel! this is the best video you have ever made.... I admire the fact that you took the time to investigate and analize all those boring graphics from The Media...

[@unknownpack5717]

I feel like you are conflating subsidises to maintain a ‘monopoly’ (can’t think of a better word) with subsidies required to maintain competition between local production and international exports. Since international exports provide cheaper imports then local farmers, farming will no longer be viable/ economically stable. Your Haiti and Mexico example kinda show this. Thanks to cheap American rice and corn, independent farmers failed to keep up reducing the amount of farmers and farming jobs. Wouldn’t this be a threat to food security if your country becomes more dependent on foreign imports? This is especially important in Europe during covid and the war in Ukraine that effected food prices and global shipping. I am not denying the American case of sugar and Chinese case of cotton but I assume the average citizen of countries with protectionist policies subsidised farmers in order to ensure food security. Furthermore countries in Europe and Japan don’t have the same luxury of land and soil quality compared to other nations. Their farmers are already at a disadvantage with countries that have cheap labour and plenty of arable land.

[@redroadrebel7049]

Not to mention that European countries have a quality standard whilst other countries use pesticides and chemicals which have been banned for over 20 years here in the EU. If you look into chemical prices across Europe you'll find that they are considerably more expensive because of substitute chemicals which are typically used in the pesticides etc.. instead of the carcinogens.

[@pottertheavenger1363]

Yes, and Mexico has been moving to ban gmo corn from the us to protect mexican corn producers, much to the gringos' anger. Cited reasons are health concerns over modified corn and preservation of native hairloom corn varieties.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@redroadrebel7049 Europe also bans GMOs in many cases, which is exceedingly silly.

[@KaoticReach1999]

​@@pottertheavenger1363 The "gringos" don't care, we're focused on keeping things out not in from Mexico.

[@Fluxxxyyy]

Better help sells your personal information, including medical information, to Facebook Snapchat etc. even when explicitly stating otherwise when signing up. As recently as a year ago they got in trouble for this

[@SmithsMuseum]

I normally love myself some free market competition. But your tone and the fact you took a better help sponsorship leaves me unable to agree with anything you've said.

[@mafiousbj]

As an Argentinian I can say most of our industries use the same way of protest and have become "indispensable" to any goverment because they hold too many jobs (and no politician wants to be seen as someone leaving people unemployed) Out mega protectionist policies and a pathological need to replace imports with home made goods (99% of the time of inferior quality) has created mostly lazy, inefficent and uncompetitive industries with very high costs and little incentive to improve becuase they have a captive market and any benefit the goverment can give them. Once you reach that point good luck untangling that mess. Those who suffer are consumers who pay more for worse products 😢

[@assassincheese2307]

The alternative is to open up markets, have all your local industries suffer due to cheaper imports, rely on austerity and debt to allow the new swathes of unemployed people to live despite the stagnant economy and if you are unlucky, have your government lose fiscal control to stronger states and economies, that then actively and intentionally destroy your economy even more and let hundreds of people die in poverty so their private owners will make money off of your condition

[@mafiousbj]

@@assassincheese2307 or just cross to the neighbouring country across the mountain range (Chile) to buy stuff of better quality at 1/3 the price of the stuff sold here 😂 The issue is not easy to solve of course, it's been decades of local industries having it easy, but truth is they barely employ any people compared to the primary (agriculture and raw material extraction) and service sectors. And we literally built an electronics factory in the southernmost province of the country because of "industrial promotiom/stimulus" but we all pay higher costs of transport because the province isna freaking island 😂 We need some pain now so anything actually useful survives otherwise they are gonna live on state life support forever and that has been basically a corruption nest. But again, nobody want to do the dirty work of untangling that decades long mess.

[@GreekV1nce]

Anytime this man uploads, you know you're gonna get one of the most amazing videos ever explaining a really difficult subject

[@falcon_224]

Well he made a video about "death of Russia" 1.5yrs ago which seems to have aged like milk but yeah as long as its not a current incident or a incident where a general consensus is present/ no discrepancies or propaganda then he makes decent videos since sources are accurate to begin with

[@HeckaLives]

In Canada the massive rise in the cost of food is from grocery monopolies charging the consumer more at point of sale. The price of food from farmers itself hasn't risen with the cost from grocers. This is more an issue of antitrust; and these large grocery monopolies needing to be broken up.

[@bouteilledeau1463]

Loblaws recently admitted to have manipulated the price of bread and all major chains (including Walmart) agreed to a code of conduct. Maybe we can get slightly lower prices on the consumer end without these asses deciding to "compensate" in a loop hole way by targetting farmers instead.

[@hyperberry739]

Unfortunately, many farmers are paid dirt, while the supermarket charges vast profits.

[@meneither3834]

I keep hearing that shit, and yet buying products directly from farmers has never been less expensive than in super.arket.

[@poorsvids4738]

They have a small markup that barely covers the loss of expired and damaged product. Working at a grocery store, I realized most of their money was made from impulse merchandise that customers would buy while shopping for fresh food.

[@MVargic]

@@meneither3834 Why would farmers sell it for less if they can charge the same amount and still sell everything and earn a lot more money? They have a limited amount of produce anyways and its in their interest to make as much profits from it as possible to feed their families.

[@MVargic]

@@poorsvids4738 Did you know how much different foods cost to buy from the supplier?

[@richdobbs6595]

@@MVargic They can't sell everything at a farmers market or there wouldn't be anything to go into supermarkets. But selling in a farmers market typically takes more labor and has more spoilage than other sales. Sales directly to the public are typically even higher overhead.

[@xijin_pooh5158]

The fact that there is an ad timer makes me feel better, and I’ll sit through the ad for you buddy

[@postbote331]

in germany farmes are paid less and less for their products while supermarkets continue to raise prices. our farmes are not the problem, the big companies making profits are.

[@imustbecrazy5626]

Eat Zee Bugs.

[@500ccRabbit]

Live in zee pod

[@heyno3306]

bug farmers be like

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

Destroy zee earth

[@entropie138]

I can’t get enough of Indonesia’s Komodo dragon. Also, 2:24, American buffalo’s face buried in sugar like it’s the co-co… love it. XD

[@Gatzberry]

Really great video. Covers a lot of very good fundamentals without digging too deep into the most mind numbing graphs.

[@RDLFsama]

Why isn't this video about retailers that sell the farmers produce and take sometimes 90% or more of the money? Yeah consumers pay a lot but farmers make very little. The retail store keeps most of the money, so they're god damn right to protest.

[@Wasp609]

Well, by the time the product gets to the retailer, it has gone through multiple processes and hands that all need to get paid as well.

[@oswaldrabbit1409]

@@Wasp609 retail stores actually have an extremely thin margin on produce.

[@averyraresnom2451]

Crazy how the people that feed you always win the arguement.

[@winniethepoohxi1896]

That wasn't the point lol. I don't think you got the video. You are just propping up inefficient small farmers. The big, efficient agriculture companies here in America will feed us for cheaper. Everyone is just getting bullied by rednecks with tractors that feel like they deserve our money for doing their job poorly. They don't actually threaten our food supply its just their equipment is just very disruptive in protests. Funny how they hate socialism until it applies to them personally.

[@thepoglin8479]

Better help is NOT a good source for therapy

[@ivan55599]

0:18 That picture is not from Finland, and finnish farmers havent revolted for many years, and here nothing haven't burned. Cost of tractor fuel has been long time so expensive, that farmers dont travel hundreds of kilometers to capital. Yes, there was a small, local, peaceful and outside of capital-demonstration 2019, but l wouldn't call that a revolt. And it was about reforming one highway road by denying farm machines moving in that highway, and at the same time road planners didn't consider a new alternative route for farmers to travel, and that's why farmers kept a one day peaceful demonstration (tractor march) to local town. Instead of making demonstrations or revolting, farmers just discontinue their farms, because they are financially pushed to the limits. And many of they are old people - over fifth is age of 65+. For example in 2021 about 400 dairy farms ended working, and in 2022 there were only 2400 left totally in Finland - milk production haven't lowered too much, because size of dairy farms' cow count have increased - now it is averagely 50. When we stopped our dairy production in 2010, we had about 16 cows - and that was considered a pretty big dairy farm at that time. You can only imagine what kind of reformation finnish agriculture and dairy production have gone after we joined to EU. Dairy production has become either "sidehobby" which limits the farmer's movement, or go all in with depts and cow counts, creating ever bigger farms (last time l heard there were a farm with 200 cows with 4 robot milking machines. Probably held by only one family union with their children, or two farmer families).

[@thomaswhite2198]

in January i almost got trapped in france because of a farmers protest, thanks for letting us know more about the topic.

[@anotherstar748]

Small farmers lost in the early and mid eighties. Reganomics greatly inflated the interest on aid given out by Jimmy Carter. A large majority of localized farming businesses went bankrupt, leaving only a few large corporations and international organizations left to “pick up the pieces”.

[@dj.harris8625]

love the fact that this video is to the instrumentals from Saint Pablo

[@ClusterShart]

I hope we eventually get rid of the sugar tariffs, that way we can start seeing sugar in things instead of high fructose corn syrup

[@alexandert6489]

Everything has sugar, just different types. Corn syrup is glucose, milk has lactose and fruit is fructose

[@edmondgreen7970]

@@alexandert6489 even the man that invented high fructose corn syrup said it was the worst thing man has ever invented. Shit is deadly.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@edmondgreen7970 Like MSG was?

[@Johnson_2022]

There also the big factor of farming being a finicky business at the best of times. Requiring a lot of up front investment with no ganentee of a decent or break even payout, i.e. a change in weather can (and has) wiped out whole harvests or produced so much as to make them worthless. Subcidies and protections smooth out these variations insuring the price remains roughly stable. Good for both consumers and farmers. Without them both parties loose long term. In exceedingly good years consumers get cheap prices but farmers make a loss potentially going under (one of the contributors to the Great Depression). In bad years farmers make a killing but consumers suffer skyhigh prices. All at the whim of mother nature.

[@xanders-game]

Well done explaining multiple angles on the video topic!

[@mistah3687]

Because they produce one of the biggest necessities to live: food. That and if they lose their jobs, the knock on effect would be AWFUL for everyone. I’ll take a bit more expensive food versus a food shortage.

[@EightBucksTwenty]

Finally someone who understands.

[@Flyingclam]

This is a great video showing how multifaceted the agriculture subsidies issue is. Glad it exists instead of Farmer Good, Farmer Bad

[@DMSBrian24]

I love it because while those protests are quite annoying to deal with, they're one of the very few groups who still dares to stand up to the government and actually exert some pressure to push back against potentially terrible policies, while everyone else rots in apathy and always accepts the status quo.

[@DMSBrian24]

The current protests are not for higher food prices, they're against climate regulations that make domestic production much less viable. And yes, this includes protectionism, because if the point is to care about the climate, why then import all the food from places that don't follow the same regulations? That's just screwing your own people over while only making the problem worse by adding additional transport related emissions.

[@mantrachhaya6835]

Especially in a country like india, but it is what a democracy has to deal with, and it is what makes democracy strong....

[@corvora0]

3:02 "This whole aisle" *Proceeds to show an aisle from Migros, a Swiss supermarket chain/giant/conglomerate/non-profit (yes, actually)*

[@idcgaming518]

To answer the title's question... its because they are farmers. They literally control the flow of food in many countries.

[@SusCalvin]

Food here is controlled by four distributors. One of them has 50% of the national market.

[@benia1908]

Here are the 5 main points and takeaways from the text: Farmers around the world lobby their governments for protectionist policies such as tariffs, quotas, and subsidies in order to keep food prices high. This benefits farmers but hurts consumers who end up paying more for groceries. Consumers don't protest against these protectionist policies because the added cost to individual consumers is relatively small and spread out. Farmers, on the other hand, are much more likely to feel the impact of lower food prices since their livelihoods depend on it. There are many examples of countries around the world that heavily subsidize their agricultural sectors. The European Union's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) is one of the largest farmer protection programs in the world. In some cases, removing protectionist policies can have a devastating impact on farmers. For example, after India introduced reforms in 2020 aimed at deregulating agriculture, large protests erupted as many farmers feared they would be worse off under the new system. Free trade can benefit consumers by lowering food prices, but it can also lead to job losses in the agricultural sector. This is especially true for small, less efficient farms that cannot compete with larger, more industrialized farms.

[@KazarianFhas]

Some added context for farming in India - While from the outside India may seem like an agricultural powerhouse, and it is, a lot of it has to do with sheer numbers than efficiency or quality. An average farmer is severely impoverished in India and barely able to sustain himself. They usually spend their entire lives farming and living off subsidies and loans until eventually like clockwork a new government change will “forgive” all outstanding loans. This poverty has to do with the size of land owned by each farmer being tiny compared to other agricultural countries. On top of each farmer not really producing a lot of crop we also have lacking logistics, if you compare us with china for example, crop wastage is rampant and prevalent. This all leads to each farmer making a pittance and this problem has never really gone away. Some states are better off in terms of logistics and farm sizes, but the most populous ones typically struggle with these factors.