Why Forza Motorsport Is More Than A Failure

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TimePlayer

TimePlayer

Күн бұрын

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@TimePlayerOfficial
@TimePlayerOfficial Ай бұрын
Due to a copyright strike for the music used at the end, I’m gonna have to KZbin AI remove it. Edit: Nevermind, it was a false claim, I have disputed it.
@peakystyle9865
@peakystyle9865 Ай бұрын
That sucks man. This is one of the best videos I've watched keep it up
@joejoe2658
@joejoe2658 Ай бұрын
GT7 DISAPPOINTING? SOMEONES NEVER TRIED VR2, or eyes.
@tim3172
@tim3172 28 күн бұрын
... strike or claim? It's incredibly unusual to get a strike from background music, even if it's like... the entirety of a popular mainstream song.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 11 күн бұрын
​@@joejoe2658Gran Turismo 7 for me is never a disappointment.
@Blackie-chan_7
@Blackie-chan_7 Ай бұрын
"From the ground up." 🗿
@TyCal_
@TyCal_ Ай бұрын
The ground being the sea floor in this case
@caliginousmoira8565
@caliginousmoira8565 Ай бұрын
boots on the ground from the ground up
@gnudj2918
@gnudj2918 Ай бұрын
Liars.
@austinbaccus
@austinbaccus Ай бұрын
"From the ground up" might've been a bad choice of words, but I agree with their intent behind it.
@GumDumb
@GumDumb Ай бұрын
brick by brick
@jibraltor222
@jibraltor222 Ай бұрын
"This game is a collective breakdown and destruction of a not only long standing and prided upon franchise but also a loved studio". So true. Turn 10 isn't even really there anymore.
@DrSpoculus
@DrSpoculus 20 күн бұрын
It's like the new gta 6 game. It's not even made by the same people anymore. The new devs were in diapers when San Andreas dropped. They don't know what gta is supposed to be. I doubt if even 10% of the original teams are left on these games. Most devs move on to other studios or start their own.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 11 күн бұрын
​@@DrSpoculusFM2023 supposed to be DLC for GTA V.
@DrSpoculus
@DrSpoculus 11 күн бұрын
@purwantiallan5089 what does that even mean?
@TheUselessOven
@TheUselessOven Ай бұрын
"You remember my barbeque roasting of FH5? This is 10 times worse" This is where the fun begins
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 11 күн бұрын
The Crew Motorfest > TDU SOLAR CROWN & F1 22 to 24.
@jordanjoestar8839
@jordanjoestar8839 Ай бұрын
*does 6 practice laps "Welp... that's enough of that for today." *turns on GT7
@Pupixario
@Pupixario Ай бұрын
Mine experience is more like: *Does 6 practice laps and 3 qualify laps *Game crashes to desktop "Welp... that's enough of that for today." *turns on GT7
@gyallis4life617
@gyallis4life617 Ай бұрын
Exactly still playing gt7 from day one
@Turismo860
@Turismo860 26 күн бұрын
Boots up PGR3
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 11 күн бұрын
​@@gyallis4life617same man. GT4 to 7 are still fantastic overall since even Hour 1 after release.
@gyallis4life617
@gyallis4life617 11 күн бұрын
@purwantiallan5089 Facts bro currently playing it on my rog Ally while on vacation abroad.
@stevestevenson8899
@stevestevenson8899 26 күн бұрын
"Why can't I buy FM7?" "Its too old." "What do you mean? Its digital!" "We made a new one, you gotta buy that" "Ok, is the new one better?" "No, notably worse." *head explodes*
@eldominici3732
@eldominici3732 23 күн бұрын
😂….
@BenKuyt64
@BenKuyt64 21 күн бұрын
Can't blame microsoft for that, blame the licensers of the cars.
@Rocky712_
@Rocky712_ 21 күн бұрын
Same issue for the Forza Horizon series. 3rd game isn't purchasable anymoee, 4th game gets delisted this week as well and then you can only buy the 5th one, despite it being the worst of those 3. Such bs tactics it the reason why Preservation is so important, especially the more and more people buy games digital.
@stevestevenson8899
@stevestevenson8899 20 күн бұрын
@@BenKuyt64 Nah, I blame you! :p
@DOProductionsNL
@DOProductionsNL 20 күн бұрын
​@@Rocky712_ FH3 forever, I loved that game
@PolePosition-wdym
@PolePosition-wdym Ай бұрын
I don't understand why people are defending these sh!tty games from Turn 10. How did we go from pieces of art like FM4 to this?
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
Corporate min-maxxing and woke practices at company wide levels
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
@@PolePosition-wdym Corporate min-maxxing and woke practices at managerial levels
@evilformerlys4704
@evilformerlys4704 Ай бұрын
Easy, they defended Forza 5, which got them 6 and they defended that recycled mess and got 7. So the stage was set up for more of copy pasta because the rubes will defend anything Turn10 puts out and defend it with their lives if need be. "I'm having fun anyway" crowd leads to the death of accountability. Now look at where Forza is, lies upon lies and folks still defending it. The earned everything Turn10 delivers.
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
@evilformerlys4704 and the incessant deflections such as "if you don't like it don't play it" "why do you care so much?" "You're not a dev" "games are very complex these days"
@thenuvolari9834
@thenuvolari9834 Ай бұрын
The amount of people defending the new FM on Racing Vista YT channel is crazy, then again at most of these are just throwaway accounts but why would anyone spend time from their precious life to defend a f*cking v i d e o g a m e
@floppychzcake7936
@floppychzcake7936 Ай бұрын
“From the ground up” meaning they threw a FM7 disc in the ground and then picked it back up and wrote “forza motorsport” with a sharpie on the disc
@toddthagod2330
@toddthagod2330 25 күн бұрын
Good one
@CMCFLYYY
@CMCFLYYY Ай бұрын
I had an experience dealing with a flat tire recently that seems applicable here. The tire was going flat, was able to limp the car to a nearby gas station to use their air machine. But the air machine was broken, only there wasn't any sign saying it was broken not did it prevent you from inserting money. After calling a friend with a compressor to come air my tire, I went inside to tell the Indian guy inside the gas station that they should put a sign or something on the machine, so people stop putting money in a broken machine. "Okay". And then I thought. Why should the gas station bother fixing the air machine. Normally people drive up, but in a few dollars, air up their tire and leave. With a broken machine, they drive up put in a few dollars, get pissed when it doesn't work, and then leave. Why fix the machine. It generates the same revenue even when broken. And that's the problem here. Why should Turn10 care to "fix" this game at all. Devs are figuring this out. Why bother improving their games. Just put out some slick marketing that gets people to buy a shit game, and then you've got their money despite selling a broken product. Rinse and repeat with the next title. Why spend money to fix and improve games when you can just...not, and make the same revenue. This gets back to the use of short term contractors mentioned in the vid. Why bother having a dedicated team who cares about the game, when some rando rotating contractors can do the job cheaper.
@J.Hunter1996
@J.Hunter1996 Ай бұрын
This just sums up not only the Forza franchise but the entire gaming industry these days, it's all a cash grab with no care for the gaming community it's actually sad
@RonaldMcVale
@RonaldMcVale Ай бұрын
​@@J.Hunter1996 Nfs unbound vol 9 update? Possibly GTA 6 being a good game when it releases?? The corner maybe? Look there.
@Pickleslip
@Pickleslip Ай бұрын
@@RonaldMcValeYe.. maybe… we can only hope… the thing bout franchises.. once established… they only need their first to be a hit/success. Anything and everything afterwards can be half assed so long as it carries the “brand” name. It is up to us, the consumer, to be cognizant about shady business practices, and warn others. Lest the cycle repeats. Across all genres and types of consumption.
@ernestochang1744
@ernestochang1744 Ай бұрын
No mans sky has just entered the chat... and if you dont know watt no mans sky is oooo boy where have you been for the last 8 years
@J.Hunter1996
@J.Hunter1996 Ай бұрын
@@RonaldMcVale I ain't getting my hopes up as I've been disappointed with so many games that promised so much in the lead up to their releases, especially forza motorsport, 6 years and we got this absolute shambles of a game
@OasisMusicOfficial
@OasisMusicOfficial Ай бұрын
The insult to injury is that GT7 has seemingly come back with the release of new updates where they added a campaign, cars that people actually want, and are constantly improving the physics and sound effects that make it a genuine racing sim.
@TimePlayerOfficial
@TimePlayerOfficial Ай бұрын
Yep! Been playing it these past few months and genuinely impressed at how far the games come!
@ajrichar0
@ajrichar0 Ай бұрын
GT7 now versus launch is a huge improvement. There are gripes that there's not enough new cars and tracks, but every update and all new content is free. GT7 is now, in late 2024, a good game. Not without some frustrations, but it's a genuinely *good* game.
@drunkhusband6257
@drunkhusband6257 Ай бұрын
Gran Turismo...where every car handles and brakes like a semi truck, no thanks.
@vur2584
@vur2584 Ай бұрын
@@drunkhusband6257 The cars handle realistically, just because you’re used to Forza’s arcade physics that baby you doesn’t mean you need to hate on Gran Turismo. Last time I checked, Forza doesn’t have a driving Academy and is making future racing drivers like Gran Turismo is. You just have a serious skill issue.
@elbarrrrrto
@elbarrrrrto Ай бұрын
@@vur2584I used to be a top level gran turismo racer. Let me tell you that they have completely ruined the game for me with some of these updates, especially the recent phsyique update. When you are trying to race with a wheel, some of the cars feel extremely awkward and unintuitive. I am not saying forza is better, by all means it is absolutely not and I still like Gran Turismo but tbh after starting iRacing I just cant be bothered with anything else.
@zanychelly
@zanychelly Ай бұрын
I miss the days Forza tried to compete with Gran Turismo. Because it pushed Gran Turismo to be better. While I think GT3 and GT4 are the best sims of the 2000s, Forza 4 is the best sim of the 360/PS3 era overall. Specially because GT lost its way on GT5 and GT6. Only getting better with GT Sport after the stiff competition of Forza 4 and others. Forza 4 pushed GT to get more realistic sounds, ditching the synthetic sounds of the PS2 games. AssetoCorsa pushed GT to have more realistic driving. Currently Forza lacks on graphics, sound (Although sounding good, it is very unrealistic, specially the cockpit view sound), and the physics… lets say it reminds of Need for Speed Shift 2… in a bad way… I’m not a Forza fan, always have been and always will be manly a GT guy. Forza 4 is the best Forza in my opinion. I’ll always remember fondly of Forza 4.
@PhonkMachine220YT
@PhonkMachine220YT 28 күн бұрын
I can agree with that, but Forza Motorsport's lack of rallycross and off-road racing is what drives some of GT fans away. Forza is stuck in 2000s tarmac-only trend and never moved on since, while even the most hardcore of all iRacing has Trophy Trucks and rallycross as some of their features.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 11 күн бұрын
Much like NFL 2K vs Madden NFL in 2000s.
@zanychelly
@zanychelly 11 күн бұрын
@ exactly!!
@Sevatar_VIIIth
@Sevatar_VIIIth 10 күн бұрын
​@@PhonkMachine220YTYou'd think after all the games under the Forza dev teams belt we'd have one massive content packed amazing game right now. Over a decade of Forza systems/mechanics/Content compiled, refined, and polished into one vast open world game.
@mrsoisauce9017
@mrsoisauce9017 Ай бұрын
Even in the smaller details, the developers completely fucked it up. Fr; who the hell made the decision that the Lotus Emira belonged with the Sport GT cars???
@polygonvvitch
@polygonvvitch Ай бұрын
"Left to take a vacation in Mumbai" you mean left to work on another project for 6 months because outsourcing teams are not well paid at all?
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
Left to scam grandma in Mumbai 💀
@Sevatar_VIIIth
@Sevatar_VIIIth 10 күн бұрын
And much like McDonald's employees you really can't expect them to put anymore than the bare minimum effort required to continue collecting a check.
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 10 күн бұрын
@@Sevatar_VIIIth case in point, the Bentley Flying Spur interior model in Forza Horizon 5
@Sevatar_VIIIth
@Sevatar_VIIIth 10 күн бұрын
@@falcongamer58 Certainly.
@i.amvulcan8373
@i.amvulcan8373 29 күн бұрын
The biggest issue I have with every single Forza is that we still only have 90 degrees (180 in Motorsport 8) of steering lock in either direction... after nearly TWENTY YEARS OF FORZA
@DrSpoculus
@DrSpoculus 20 күн бұрын
It's made for gamers. Not hardcore sim racers.
@spoonwithoutleg
@spoonwithoutleg 7 күн бұрын
Since when x360 has a proper wheel support? ;) I'm not a best wheel driver, but somehow in GT6+7 i just works (to repeat after certain Todd) and on xbone it was small disaster.
@hamzerpanzer
@hamzerpanzer 2 күн бұрын
​@@DrSpoculusWhat does that have to do with what he said
@DrSpoculus
@DrSpoculus 2 күн бұрын
@hamzerpanzer it's not a sim, so it's not going to simulate everything correctly. It's made for a general audience of gamers who aren't hardcore and don't have wheels. Most gamers might play an hour per week. They aren't hardcore like us. They aren't buying wheels and pedals. They are using a controller to drive, so the game is designed around controller being used and a wheel is converted from that data. But, if you have a pc you can change your steering lock and setup for your wheel beyond the options the console offers, and then use it on console. This is what the pros do. They aren't using only the game settings to setup their wheel. They modify the wheel on pc and it overrides the game steering lock, etc.
@joshjmilli
@joshjmilli Ай бұрын
It genuinely baffles me that despite all the “changes” and “innovations” made over the years, Forza still feels like it’s in the same place it has been from a gameplay perspective since Motorsport 4. I’d love to go the Turn 10 offices for a couple of months and see how much actually gets done over there. Because from a customers perspective, I feel like I’ve been playing the same game for the last 10 years.
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
By gameplay you mean driving physics? Because it's a downgrade in most other aspects
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
@baronvonslambert they actually removed puddles in the current motorsport, last seen in Motorsport 7. Also, as controversial as it was, I miss the dynamic action camera from Motorsport 7
@Nasrul260
@Nasrul260 Ай бұрын
Being disappointed in GT7 and then playing this mess afterwards, must've felt being punched in the gut then a fist straight to the nut sack. Microsoft really excels at releasing bad games.
@fajaradi1223
@fajaradi1223 Ай бұрын
Kaz : come here my long lost child, comeback to daddy (with a huge evil grin)
@s.muller8688
@s.muller8688 Ай бұрын
because people keep buying it. It's common sense. Stop buying crap and they will change route.
@farhanshameel7810
@farhanshameel7810 Ай бұрын
it was that, but times 10 for all 10 turns within Turn10.
@prostreetbeetdhd4586
@prostreetbeetdhd4586 Ай бұрын
​@@farhanshameel7810 that's too many turns....might be part of the problem
@AdrenaLukeYT
@AdrenaLukeYT Ай бұрын
It's why you just gotta take the jump into actual sim racing bro. Try ACC or RaceRoom or rFactor 2 or LMU. I promise you the grass really is greener over here. Ditch the sim-cade stuff and try out the real stuff
@AverageGuy28
@AverageGuy28 Ай бұрын
Companies are so greedy that they are releasing bad games because they expect us to buy them anyway, like when they were actually good. They might fool us with 1 or 2 entries, but in the long term that strategy will destroy big franchises like this, gran turismo, pokémon, ... Years ago these franchises cared about making good games, now it's only about making profit. We have to make them pay by not purchasing these games anymore.
@Sevatar_VIIIth
@Sevatar_VIIIth 10 күн бұрын
*Making profit while hiring talentless creatively bankrupt political/social ideological activists to make the game for as little money as possible. Just had to add to your statement there.
@sadfatdragon9529
@sadfatdragon9529 6 сағат бұрын
Honestly all of my top games anymore are indie games.
@sadfatdragon9529
@sadfatdragon9529 6 сағат бұрын
Honestly all of my top games anymore are indie games.
@Mcw32
@Mcw32 Ай бұрын
The biggest reasons I rarely play is that the single player is just not interesting and nearly every multiplayer lobby I enter has leas than 10 cars and often less than 5.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 11 күн бұрын
Or even less than 2.
@JustDevon
@JustDevon Ай бұрын
I still listen to the Motorsport 4 menu music quite often and as much as I love it, its quite depressing thinking about how good we had it back then. The decline has been simply incredible, from 5 being little more than a graphics showcase, to 6 being generally liked because it was the closest to heights of 4, and just when I thought it couldn't get much worse than 7, Motorsport was released. The stubborn refusal to acknowledge what people loved, let alone reintroduce features has ended up with, as you said, the destruction of the series. It's like this game was conceived by people who had heard about GT Sport and never bothered to find out why it was popular (although not with a lot of fans of the old games). They just thought "ok, all eggs in the basket of multiplayer, but we won't go beyond just having a meaningless rating system, and we definitely won't consider what made Forza popular in the first place". Probably a pretty disjointed rant, but a rant nonetheless
@Cez-ario
@Cez-ario Ай бұрын
The progression to unlock stuff was a great idea but implemented in the worst way possible, if it was made as a progression PER CLASS instead of PER CAR, it would be great, cause in endgame it would all be unlocked for basically everything
@benn87
@benn87 28 күн бұрын
I appreciate the developers' attempt to finally give the game more progression again. I was one of those who found the predecessors (especially Forza 7) extremely boring as a solo player and longed for proper progression. Unfortunately, the execution in Forza 8 is more than flawed and the career mode is the most boring and uninspired of the entire series.
@wumbology72
@wumbology72 Ай бұрын
I had planned to buy this game before release, but the final straw for me was the nurburgring not being included on launch. Sure you dont need it for a racing game to be good, but for a game as big as motorsport to not include one of the worlds most famous race tracks on launch was just a really bad sign. Turns out my fears were completely true.
@Ssilhouette73
@Ssilhouette73 Ай бұрын
not saying anything against the topic of video but do give "Isuckatdriving" credit for taking his footage at 4:59.
@BushMermaid1394
@BushMermaid1394 Ай бұрын
"From the ground up." Words that forever haunt me
@MC-bh8ph
@MC-bh8ph 5 күн бұрын
People are building up the earlier forza motorsport titles in their minds, those are not as great as people remember. Even at the time they were being outclassed by Codemasters titles such as ToCa Race Driver 2-3
@CatGoneCrazy
@CatGoneCrazy 2 күн бұрын
You don’t hear that opinion very often! And yet you’re absolutely right ;)
@stuffandjunkandthings364
@stuffandjunkandthings364 Ай бұрын
The Devs seem to be more obsessed with removing any valid criticism from the forums than they are with fixing the core issues with the game. They spend their time fixing what isn't broken while day one issues persist in game. Every new update brings a slew of new performance issues and content that was obviously never play tested. I have over 1200hrs into the game- not because it's great, but because there isn't another sim (or sim adjacent) title that lets me modify shitboxes and race them where they shouldn't be, and the number of 'regular cars" (non- super rare/ highest spec models) has dwindles with every passing installment. I am critical of the game because no one wanted it to be a success more than I did. I was the biggest fan of the series from the moment I started playing the first installment on my roommate's Xbox in Iraq. The latest Motorsport feels like an insult.
@Sevatar_VIIIth
@Sevatar_VIIIth 10 күн бұрын
See what happens when you combine ever growing profit driven greed as management and talentless creatively bankrupt political/social ideological activists as your work force? We now get McDonald's dollar menu quality video games, bc for so long not nearly enough customers have told AAA to go fk themselves.
@CRazyAsLaino-2001
@CRazyAsLaino-2001 Ай бұрын
Forza Motorsport 8 makes Forza Motorsport 5 look like a masterpiece
@mekanik1755
@mekanik1755 Ай бұрын
We lost such a legendary title. RIP Forza..😪
@ChatterboxFM
@ChatterboxFM Ай бұрын
When I found out that I had to unlock individual wheels sizes for each car I bought, I clocked out. Even EA wouldn’t stoop so low to kneecap freedom from the start of the game.
@mrsoisauce9017
@mrsoisauce9017 Ай бұрын
Bro, customization is the cornerstone of Need For Speed. EA wouldn't stoop to that low because they quite literally can't
@bstonceltics033
@bstonceltics033 Ай бұрын
You don’t have to do that anymore lol
@Lenron-B06
@Lenron-B06 28 күн бұрын
@@bstonceltics033 People still complaining about stuff that you no longer need to do.
@arcticwolf8150
@arcticwolf8150 Ай бұрын
Yeah I miss starting out with a Toyota Yaris or something and working your way from the F class all the way to R1 racecars, now they give stupid launch cars instead of money to buy your first car, and they used to make you go through all the classes and have you work your way up to faster cars, I miss the old days man
@jesusserrano8769
@jesusserrano8769 Ай бұрын
Saying the first forza had better physics than GT4 is kinda delusional, i mean i loved FM1 back in the day, but GT4 physics with a steering wheel was another league
@xilix
@xilix Ай бұрын
I've been playing Forza Motorsport 3&4 on my PC for the last few weeks and it's still better than anything out there today. Between that, GT 3&4, GTR 1&2, Assetto Corsa, Rfactor, NR2K3 Season.. what else do I need? What's the point? I still run Forza 7 on my PC sometimes but that's only because I was able to pirate it because Microsoft won't even let me purchase the damn thing. For me, Forza Motorsport 3 was a watershed moment, and I don't see another racing sim being able to give me that again. I hope I'm wrong, but I ain't holdin my breath.
@alifhakim2840
@alifhakim2840 Ай бұрын
emulation and piracy? holy based
@Pickleslip
@Pickleslip Ай бұрын
3 and 4 were for sure the pinnacle of Motorsport racing.
@Lenron-B06
@Lenron-B06 28 күн бұрын
@@alifhakim2840 A lot of work just to play a game.
@alifhakim2840
@alifhakim2840 28 күн бұрын
@@Lenron-B06 i agree but its worht it
@monarchyyyy
@monarchyyyy Ай бұрын
15:10 I wholeheartedly agree with this. FM is by far the only online "simcade" available for PC and primarily Xbox. It’s the only viable option if you want to enjoy some track racing with a controller. Good luck trying that with ACC or AC-you’ll be at a significant disadvantage. This is coming from someone who plays both titles with a wheel. In its current state, the game is "fine." Some areas have seen improvements, but it still lacks features compared to FH5. The graphics aren’t great but are usable. Lobbies are fairly clean, but it’s rare to have a 20+ player session without at least one person rage-quitting.
@Mr.Kumar1
@Mr.Kumar1 Ай бұрын
So the game is still playable
@monarchyyyy
@monarchyyyy Ай бұрын
@@Mr.Kumar1 yes, it always has been.
@Mr.Kumar1
@Mr.Kumar1 Ай бұрын
My point being the general feel of every comment is that this new forza is rubbish, absolutely, broken. To me it looks like it has so much potential, it does things other racers dont do, its got the chase cam which is so basic, other racers cant do, so much potential with the game if it gets cleaned up thoroughly for this iteration, it would be amazing, we all saw the e3 stuff, potential. However many just want the game amazing upfront, no mistakes, no questions, ill stick by turn 10 on this one, against all odds, even if they shutdown they did it well still
@Lenron-B06
@Lenron-B06 28 күн бұрын
@@Mr.Kumar1 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzit has gotten so much better.
@Mr.Kumar1
@Mr.Kumar1 28 күн бұрын
@@Lenron-B06 Oh reallly it has?
@JossielB-d9k
@JossielB-d9k Ай бұрын
I don't really understand the people who still defends this game. Like, their whole reasoning behind Motorsport's flaws is that they haven't experience said flaws, and to me is just sad how this entire thing has unravelled. Is this really the standard behind the industry? Just to conform with whatever crap the people behind it just come with? They've sacrificed their entire fanbase and credibility to win what exactly? I simply don't understand, and it doesn't matter anyways because the damage is already done. There's no recovery from this.
@listrahtes
@listrahtes 20 күн бұрын
I just looked into it the first time these days and it seems very different to a year ago. Much better AI behaviour, better collision penalty, raytracing and high res textures, in general it runs smooth and looks and feels incredible to drive. It still has shortcomings. and imo will keep them like boring career more..etc Pad control is very well done and new tracks and cars that were missing are added. its still for from perfect and not designed to be ultra realistic with fewer rounds to drive but thats what makes it fun. I recommend trying it out again.
@JossielB-d9k
@JossielB-d9k 20 күн бұрын
@@listrahtes Yeah, I'm aware of the fact that the game, unequivocally, had a big improvement considering the status where the game was originally launched. however, is this really aceptable anyways? they had more than enough years to make the game, or rather, to make an aceptable product. I know that the developers aren't the ones to blame on this situation, they obviously want to make the best game possible, and they've shown some progress with the last couple of updates, but that's not the focus. To me, more than the disaster of the game, the worst were the lies and their shitty tactics to promote their product. Anyways, it's sad that the only few things aceptable from this game is or either recycled, improved via hardware, or features that should've been since day one.
@listrahtes
@listrahtes 20 күн бұрын
@@JossielB-d9k agree with you 100% I think the main problem Turn10 and other AAA companies face is that the original creative and dedicated staff has now left and f.e. with EA or Ubi DEI hires replace these people. They are in general far less talented, entitled and simply not really interested in the product. You see that with FM8 everywhere that the love for the product is gone now. Tripple A faces a huge challenge in going back hiring the most talented people and actually giving them creative freedom. Sadly I dont see that happening which is why most AAA studios turn into mediocre short term shareholder value obsessed dumps. Ubi just has obliterated their value in a relative short time period. With FM8 the excellent controller support and now smooth simulation gameplay combined with less time invest then lets say iracing or ACC gives it its niche and imo for people who just want to have a race from time to time but with a realistic simulation touch this is now a very good game. 2025 will be the decider about Forzas future as so many strong competitors will come out.
@youcreateyourownstory
@youcreateyourownstory Ай бұрын
It sucks because Forza motorsport was what got me into racing games as a kid. Always a great time and the games are so much fun. Then apparently they rebuilt it for this new game and yet this game comes absolutely nowhere even close to GT7… GT 7 has its own problems, but this game is far behind in every way possible.
@BAYAREA_PizzaParty
@BAYAREA_PizzaParty 15 күн бұрын
Someone send this video to Turn 10, maybe they can still salvage the game after hearing this review, but cut the childlike argument out of the video at 4:30 before sending it.
@CHRoNo-ky6yz
@CHRoNo-ky6yz Ай бұрын
I've played every Forza and it's a shame how hollow and empty Forza Motorsports is. There is just so little here 😥
@mondzi
@mondzi 28 күн бұрын
I'm currently working in a game studio where we also use outsourcing. But, it's important to realize what's actually being outsourced - assets (vehicles, environment objects, characters, ...). Can't image game design elements/mechanics being outsourced, because it would only make things more difficult and generally doesn't make sense (maybe if you have some veteran game designer as consultant). You're leaning little bit too much on this and extrapolating why the feel of the game is different. While I agree with you on the "empty/uninspired" feel, I don't think it's because of outsourcing.
@michaelredford5389
@michaelredford5389 Ай бұрын
13:30 on that point about there being no passion for cars anymore, I think that's where AC Evo is going to take the reigns. It will be niche, not mainstream like Forza or Gran Turismo, but it will be better and more of a love letter to cars and racing.
@Solis357
@Solis357 Ай бұрын
the problem to me is, that microsoft tries sooooo hard to be different from some of sony's competing titles to the point that the company ends up just making trash. this is why gt will always prevail over forza. its ok to copy a little.
@verticalflyingb737
@verticalflyingb737 Ай бұрын
All Microsoft had to do was pay Turn 10 to copy Gran Turismo 7 while taking into account the negative reviews and community suggestions of the game.
@deathtrooper2048
@deathtrooper2048 Ай бұрын
But GT7 was garbage, all turn 10 had to do was copy and paste forza motorsport 7 content into the new engine, but no they had to make it fomo BS with less content than FM6.
@kpegc
@kpegc Ай бұрын
@@deathtrooper2048 And not make the single player campaign online only! I wish there were a bigger push for this requirement to be removed from all modern racing games.
@caliginousmoira8565
@caliginousmoira8565 Ай бұрын
@@deathtrooper2048 what was wrong with gt7 other than the fake grind and always online? you didn't like the cars, tracks, physics, colors, sounds, overall visuals, campaign, sport mode, livery editor, engine swaps, used car dealer..... what?
@De_kaid
@De_kaid Ай бұрын
@@caliginousmoira8565 cars were pretty underwhelming, esp on launch, same with tracks. physics are barely changed from gt sport, the campaign was horrible and sport mode is a downgrade from gt sport.... what?
@MK3504
@MK3504 Ай бұрын
My favorite core memories invocke FM2. The soundtrack, the roster, the attention to detail. What a tragic decline
@HollisonHusky
@HollisonHusky Ай бұрын
"Still don't have drifting" This was uploaded 2 days ago. Yes we do have drifting. You're wrong on that one.
@simonbeech6073
@simonbeech6073 Ай бұрын
The tag line they should have gone for should be “Consistently nearly as good as Forza 4 since 2013.”
@scottbell176
@scottbell176 28 күн бұрын
Bro, I truly miss Jeremy Clarkson explaining all the beautiful details of my favorite cars like I'm watching top gear! Great video brother. Keep up the good work! P.S. I hate this game!
@bradsmith5013
@bradsmith5013 26 күн бұрын
The car auction was the best. Wish they would bring that back. Been a die hard COD and Motorsport fan since the 360 and they both always disappoint. Still play them though
@solowundesignsbysamdavis9043
@solowundesignsbysamdavis9043 Ай бұрын
This was very well put together, as a long time Forza fan from the beginning (2005) Ive defended this franchise for so long hoping they would bounce back. My time has come, to let it go. I’ve been on ACC for the past 6 months on PC and tried peeking at FM with no reason to do more than just peek. As a game developer myself I definitely see how it all falls apart when studios don’t want to pay benefits so they offer short term contracts that lead to very chaotic development cycles. It’s sad but on the bright side, sim racing is growing fast and I’m enjoying this space right now. SUBSCRIBED
@MdM97x
@MdM97x Ай бұрын
The game definitely feels soulless. One thing that irritates me about Forza is the fact that they haven’t even made an effort to improve the car customization options. We’ve had the same one splitter and one spoiler option for just about every car for over a decade now I get it’s hard to add new visual parts for over 600+ cars but at the same time there’s several cars that could use new spoilers and bumpers and they just don’t add really anything other than maybe an ugly looking body kit. glad I got this game through game pass and didn’t spend any money on it. I’ve played a few races and have like no motivation to want to play more.
@keech100
@keech100 Ай бұрын
We live in a time where something is either a failure or the greatest of all time. Well to the internet anyway
@magicfok
@magicfok 29 күн бұрын
No developer copy the good part of GT 7 which is in game teach you how to drive faster.
@samhawkes6597
@samhawkes6597 20 күн бұрын
It's an awful game. How far this brand has sunk. Going live service has killed this for me. It's just an incredibly bland and boring live service game. A real shame. It use to be a must buy game on my previous xboxs. This one is dreadful
@odinsplaygrounds
@odinsplaygrounds Ай бұрын
I just played it for the first time yesterday, and was really disappointed and annoyed. The amount of hand-holding and forced tutorials is a complete turn off. Also don't like the progression system. Forcing me to do these races in the beginning and only giving me the choice between 3 cars they don't even show me the statistics of, then push you into the cup. As someone who has played through GT4 and GT5 recently, the lack of freedom to how to progress, lack of style, hand-holding, car opponents that crash into you and heavy steering with controller has already made me doubt if I'll continue to play the game, even if I have "free access" to it on game pass.
@Lenron-B06
@Lenron-B06 28 күн бұрын
Um you don't have to use any of the assist, and after those cars in the beginning you can just play the gamee the way you want.
@gnoclaude7945
@gnoclaude7945 Ай бұрын
It lacks soul. Forza used to have a driver level, car collection level, rare cars that can be missed but also found at the auction house. The career allowed you to drive all types of cars and work up to the highest class. This one is sterile and boring. Its only for hardcore sim fans where forza 7 was fun for everyone. They need a real campaign without warm up laps, collection levels with rewards, and driver levels with rewards to feel like forza. As it stands id rather play gt7, project cars 3, or forza 7.
@Lenron-B06
@Lenron-B06 28 күн бұрын
We need an Aucion house. I missed a few cars because of not being able to play for a few months.
@Koutchise
@Koutchise Ай бұрын
4:16 that shit was heavily felt sir!
@burakyuksek8332
@burakyuksek8332 Ай бұрын
8:11 the game does have a drift mode that was added later. That's all I can say lol.
@haki3353
@haki3353 Ай бұрын
4:50 LMFAO
@haaxxx9
@haaxxx9 Ай бұрын
"Sounds black." That's all I heard from the timestamp and I know instantly what is going down in that lobby. LMFAO!
@BlindMango
@BlindMango Ай бұрын
Trash talk in the lobby is the best part of multiplayer, another reason to never fix the mute problem lol
@gyallis4life617
@gyallis4life617 Ай бұрын
2:48 . Disappointed release from Grand Tourism 7 ???????? Maybe the traditional story mode but that game is spot on
@ancientxport6764
@ancientxport6764 12 күн бұрын
Yeah lol every just wanna say “new games bad” people on KZbin always say the game is disappointing but never can point out the reason why, meanwhile the reviews for the game are very high.
@cambam2287
@cambam2287 Ай бұрын
This game is outdated. My biggest issue w this game is the lack of tracks & the availability to share your tunes with others. It's a bland environment when people use the same car made by the same tuner.
@warmowed
@warmowed 27 күн бұрын
Forza 4 was the pinnacle of the series. Forza 6 was the best on the modern xbox platform. I think that top level executives killed the game by making repeated decisions that demotivated management and developers alike and anyone that was good left.
@yeetervids4080
@yeetervids4080 Ай бұрын
I had an irking sort of feeling that the gap between Motorsport 7 and 8 meant that the game was probably going through really bad development Hell, just as most Microsoft projects end up going through.
@DOProductionsNL
@DOProductionsNL 20 күн бұрын
I always chuckle a bit when people dip on Assetto for having a steep learning curve. What, you'd rather not feel like you're driving an actual car in a racing game? The only thing I have against Assetto is not having (visual) customization options. On the flipside, I'm SO glad I survived the hype and didn't pick up this game, YT's algorithm fed me the first criticism vids of it right on time to see the lies and empty promises before the actual shitshow started. I'm fine with big franchises dying a sorry death like this, it means there's no getting back up again without serious effort, and all the more room for new studios to become these Goliaths' David. Fuck 'em.
@joeltmo
@joeltmo 14 күн бұрын
I all ways wondered why they spent so much money and effort on marketing and straight lies, when most of us were going to try the game for next to nothing on games pass, find out it was shit and move on. Did they forget? Were they trying to sell a few deluxeditions before release at the cost of all their credibility.. What a disappointment it was. In fact, I don't think I have even bothered with game pass since then. Fuck em
@joeltmo
@joeltmo 14 күн бұрын
Ps Evo, Evo, Evo! Let's go!
@ScarLeRenard
@ScarLeRenard 27 күн бұрын
11:50 Forza Horizon 4 and 5 share the same exact physics engine as FH3 and FH2, just saying And most cars share the same values too
@benoitsauriol3140
@benoitsauriol3140 Күн бұрын
I feel like the problem is that Microsoft no longer try to build a reputation and compete against sony, now its all about the money. They are sitting on their successful franchise and just milking profits out of them. Releasing unfinished, sometimes unplayable games right before Christmas to boost their sales, then trying to make players accept that it's normal for a game to be completely broken for the first couple months while they are trying to fix games that were not ready to by release and they give some content nobody really care about to apologize. This is a really short therm vision that will eventually hurt them more than anything else, because if players no longer get excited about their biggest exclusivity we no longer have a reason to chose an xbox over an other platform and subscribe to their service
@traktionskoeffizient6270
@traktionskoeffizient6270 Ай бұрын
So the only thing "from the ground up" was the actual team developing this game, now it makes sense
@michaelvelez6699
@michaelvelez6699 Ай бұрын
To be honest. Even being a GT7 player, i expected awesome things with Forza Motorsport, when i saw the Trailer i wqs excited and how it would be. But the final dissapointed me, more than GT7 (Only bad things was micro but other was OK not good, not bad) it make me have Turn 10 like the worst of the worst. It's unbeliable that Forza Motorsports maked promises and alot of things and features that step up like a Simulator and not even a Simcade game. But no, they stayed in the same thing without fight against the kings (Assetto Corsa Competizione, Rfactor2, Iracing, Automobilista 2 and others) but preffered stayed fighting against GT7 i mean... Holy God, really? Made from the Ground and not even these updates still having flaws, im glad they make the game more enjoyable but no, it's not Next Gen and still not being a Next Gen game even having those updates.
@enjoylife6374
@enjoylife6374 Ай бұрын
well real question is why supporting microsoft? why supporting microsoft with their monopolizastion 70bn aquisition? because the outcome is this - this quality, halo infinite quality, redfall quality, dismantling studios, burning money ect ect
@AcceptYourDeath
@AcceptYourDeath Ай бұрын
At the same time you have to give them credit for still releasing games very few actually care and most if not all big puplishers won't bother with at all. Age of Empires 4, Flight Simulator, Psychonauts 2, or doing remasters and re-releases of Golden Eye 007 (by a main competitor) Age of Mythology, The Bard's Tale etc. etc. etc. Putting some of the biggest releases AT release on game pass. Making plenty of Xbox games availible on PC for years by now. Sure you could argue PC gaming is also their platform in a way. I LOVED GranTurismo 5, still waiting for a PC version of any GranTurismo title. Honestly I see more love for gaming at Microsoft/Xbox than with UbiSoft, Blizzard, Bethesda, EA and what not.
@fredbruno
@fredbruno 27 күн бұрын
I just wish gt7 was on pc. Forza Motorsport is a joke, they added Nürburgring nordscleife and it has never been in the online rotation. The track rotation is trash.
@southernoklahomamopars6726
@southernoklahomamopars6726 Ай бұрын
We don’t want progression, we want fun… I don’t have hours to grind $#!t anymore!
@ClarenceThompkins
@ClarenceThompkins Ай бұрын
Even though I 100000% agree with EVERYTHING you said. Trust me I'm sub to a channel that compares their shit models to GT7s pristine models. But Forza has updated their car sounds, most notable the horrendous sounds of the LFA actually sound decent. Also the light intensity of the head and back lights of the car, though not on the level of GT7, shine better (they need to fix the intensity in day time. But yeah overall it's still needs an exorcism, but give credit to where it's due.
@dusterpl6093
@dusterpl6093 6 күн бұрын
1:00 "superior graphics" proceeds to show a complete mangled mess of a 3d model in forza
@SpeedsterGT7913
@SpeedsterGT7913 21 күн бұрын
Translated by Google: The problem with these glitches is that it completely ruins what could have been a solid experience. Instead of a solid experience, it ends up being a glitch-ridden experience that makes it impossible to compete or play public matches because the servers are so unstable. And the servers are even worse, because they fall apart.
@TallTapper
@TallTapper Ай бұрын
racing game community and negativity, name a more iconic duo
@patriciozazzini8302
@patriciozazzini8302 2 күн бұрын
F>rza issue is that turn 10 outsourced their work to programmers who never been into racing.
@williambruce189
@williambruce189 Ай бұрын
They haven't even fixed the tachometers in 4 vehicles. It's like they never even tested it.
@HikariSakai
@HikariSakai Ай бұрын
8:41 umm none of the players had that turn 10 badge so you're clearly lying here lol
@Flogger1345
@Flogger1345 Күн бұрын
It shows up in the player list
@ynnad124578
@ynnad124578 25 күн бұрын
Completely agree. As a forza fan from FM3, this game is just hopeless on so many aspects. Thanks to FM7 for teaching me a hard lesson to not preorder any forza game, I was able to dodge this one easily.
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 Ай бұрын
If they couldn't make a half-finished game after 6 years, what makes people expect the game to be that much better after a year?
@Lenron-B06
@Lenron-B06 28 күн бұрын
Accept it's a lot better after a year, not as good as it could be but still.
@JB_CS
@JB_CS Ай бұрын
Would be interested to see what you would say for gt7 as a video.
@Ryzard
@Ryzard 29 күн бұрын
Theory: "Ten years of support" just means occasional DLC cars. This will be on sales for the next ten years, and in the meantime, they will drop horizon every time they manage to model a region. To the "I want tracks" people, they will say "GO PLAY MOTORSPORT :D"
@ThePerks2010
@ThePerks2010 Ай бұрын
Anytime someone tries to defend this game(i played over a few thousand hours on fm7) i just tell them to compare it to gt sports, not gt7 the nearly ten years old gran turismo that has features this piece of s*** wishes it has.
@MattPetch-h6p
@MattPetch-h6p 29 күн бұрын
I didn’t think gt7 was a disappointment at all. Ok it needed tweaking but it didn’t suck.
@resi-
@resi- Ай бұрын
As a Xbot, I loved GT4, good memories with my dad
@raflieprasetia
@raflieprasetia 21 күн бұрын
I just want gt sport for my pc, so I was pretty excited when fm were announced. But then, we get this mess of a game. So glad I didn't buy it full price.
@joeyspillum6
@joeyspillum6 7 сағат бұрын
Anyone else remember the marketing campaign where they made a huge deal that they made the game so accecible that a blind person can play?
@The_Walnoys
@The_Walnoys Ай бұрын
Grew up playing the original Forza in my room meanwhile my Dad and I would play 4 together in the living room. This game (along with Nascar and Local track racing) got me into cars. I still remember finding the Scion xB and the Ford Mustang SCCA Tiger car and wanting those cars in real life in my own 4-6 year old mind. when 5-7 was released, I still played them and was upset by the bugs and glitches in the games but still had friends online that we could screw around with the game and make the most of it. I bought a Series S being my first console I bought with my own money and was excited to see and play the new Forza Horizon game and yet was disappointed in it after not even an hour playing, Same thing with Forza 8/Motorsport. Calling this the same as the first game is an embarrassment. I feel bad for the younger generations who get feed slop and lies unlike the generations before them, not experiencing the title the same way we had as kids or teens. Obviously I think this is just a common issue with modern gaming, not just the racing genre. All we want is a playable and fun experience for all! (keep in mind I was born in 04, yet Im buying games for the same Xbox I had in my room. Modern gaming sucks rn :/)
@joshbacon8241
@joshbacon8241 29 күн бұрын
If the KZbin channel Honest Game Trailers made an honest trailer for Forza Motorsport, what would it be like?
@sgt.dripface8432
@sgt.dripface8432 Ай бұрын
The whole camera thing with gt7 is a huge turnoff for me
@Galm1
@Galm1 Ай бұрын
Wym? You can go into settings and make it the same chase cam as Forza.
@sgt.dripface8432
@sgt.dripface8432 Ай бұрын
@Galm1 its still not the same to me imo
@Adarlo1990
@Adarlo1990 20 күн бұрын
Forzas cam is shit​@sgt.dripface8432
@fcukugimmeausername
@fcukugimmeausername Ай бұрын
Forza 8 let me down worse than September 11th. The fact Turn 10 put out a ~45 minute promotional video mere days before its release is almost criminal.
@BenKuyt64
@BenKuyt64 21 күн бұрын
So FM8 has better multiplayer racing than FM7. The inclusion of a penalty system, even a broken one, is better than the ram sessions that occured on FM7. The addition of endurance racing and the new addition of multiclass racing is very good, and I'm glad it's there. The problem with FM8 is it's not a great motorsport game. It's a car game more than a motorsport game. It focuses too much on driving as many difference cars as possible, similar to Horizon, which is a problem. I think if they had gotten rid of the majority of standard road cars and focused on a good career mode where you start in an FIAT Abarth series, then move to a Touring Car series, then a GT4, GT3, GT2, Le Mans, and maybe even open wheelers, it could've been a lot better. They recently added NASCAR to the game, and it's great fun, and the next thing they're adding is a V8 Supercar tour with Mount Panorama being added to the game. I think they needed their version of GT Sport. Focus on the racing, focus on the stuff around racing, and people will have fun. Want to Drive the latest hypercars? You got Horizon. Want to drive a GT3 car around Spa? Motorsport. Too many ideas, too much material, not enough focus.
@P-IN-JP
@P-IN-JP Ай бұрын
The biggest fun for me was when the track would disappear from under my car...it was especially fun when it happened in corners. Great stuff. And they didn't fix it for months.
@kyperactive
@kyperactive Ай бұрын
Nascar has been the short breath this game has. The moment the new Nascar game drops... back to the unknown.
@omegadomega
@omegadomega Ай бұрын
its made by iracing too, its gon demolish this
@ArthurLopes39
@ArthurLopes39 Ай бұрын
The moment they confirmed they'd remove all the fantasy tracks was when I decided I was never gonna touch this.
@jayjayuk-f1x
@jayjayuk-f1x 22 күн бұрын
I played it for a month, but it was a nightmare. people constantly ramming, and smashing you off. it was basically unplayable. This was in higher lobbies too. Not bloody amateur ones. Literally, no enjoyment from it at all, just utter frustration, every time.
@Cheese_burgergaming
@Cheese_burgergaming Ай бұрын
When I saw the FM 4 menu and logo it brought a tear in my eye
@apophisstr6719
@apophisstr6719 29 күн бұрын
Honestly, Forza had everything during 3-4 to smash Gran Turismo's troublesome development and ever-confusing direction, they could've double down on the features loved by almost everyone, but instead, they became more confused themselves, whilst betraying the fans that had been at their side throughout the competition. And now T10 is not even a husk of its former self.
@dennisparker505
@dennisparker505 Ай бұрын
Forza Motorsport 6 was the best Forza in my opinion. The campaign was emotional and was made for car enthusiasts and drivers. Every car had a story and every car was special.
@dennisparker505
@dennisparker505 Ай бұрын
They’re was also effort
@mniakan754
@mniakan754 26 күн бұрын
I have more fun playing NFS Shift 2 than playing Forza motorsport, how can a game from 13 years ago have better progression system, better car sound, better crash physics with even wheels coming off your car, more detailed interiors for cars and even better driver hand movement for changing gear and even better sense of speed is beyond me At this point the only thing built from the ground up in Forza Motorsport was the way they do slave labor at turn10
@leandrofod
@leandrofod Ай бұрын
Still waiting for a free roam meetup open track day type of public lobby 😭
@KillerRedVine
@KillerRedVine 14 күн бұрын
Honestly, for me, I've been playing Forza since Motorsport 2 and the game , outside of Horizon, has not evolved. I'd love for them to hone a game into a particular type of racing with fewer cars that are more detailed and a campaign thats well developed and has a good progression. As of now , it feels like they want to cram as many cars as possible and see how wide they can make their 2" deep ocean. Going back, I'd argue I had more fun playing Project Gotham Racing than Forza.
@SoufWestBravo
@SoufWestBravo Ай бұрын
Big part of the gaming community for forza motorsport series were the differnt race lobbies. Its a shame they got rid of drift lobbies, no point in playing forza no more
@rproxide977
@rproxide977 Ай бұрын
My main issue is they have a whole page of known issues and it feels like looking at a shopping list getting fixed one at a time. The AI not being affected by wet roads is quite frankly a big issue second to the piss poor AI. Stability was worked on but now it’s the lack of playing styles and the AI
@prod.yvmu1
@prod.yvmu1 Ай бұрын
my online game chat doesn’t even work. shit 90% of the game doesn’t even work properly 😭
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