Why Genesis is Obsessed with Loveless | Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core Reunion Theory

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We all know Genesis is in love with the Play Loveless. But today I offer a unique perspective on exactly why that may be.
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[@KingDrixx]

I think the whole point of LOVELESS was to be the prophecy of Jenova losing for good to the Planet's protection (the Goddess Minerva). Between Acts 4 and 5 it says that a "legend shall speak of sacrifice at world's end" and then Genesis wrote Act 5 himself (he's being made a prophet to the Goddess), where it again mentions towards the end that "I offer thee this silent sacrifice". The sacrifice is the Holy materia cleansing the Planet of Jenova's cells and more specifically, Aerith having to die and enter the lifestream for it to happen (at least for the OG game plot). Genesis is the one being spoken of in ACT 2, he's the one of the "three friends" who is "captured", not the one who "becomes a hero". This is because he reveals that the 'gift of the Goddess' is actually eternal life in the lifestream and the captured one is said to have a shattered soul (which he does after learning the truth of SOLDIER) and "Dreams of the morrow" or the afterlife. The captured one is "beloved by the goddess" and eventually, he dies and she graces him personally in a cutscene to allude to that. In the end, they really should've done more with Genesis as a character. At least in terms of his dialogue being almost too obsessed with pouring over the prophecy of LOVELESS but I can appreciate the commitment to him as a zealout that pushes forth in that idea "to find the end of the journey in my own salvation" despite being made into a monster. Genesis' story isn't said out loud to make you search for what he believes his purpose and reasoning to be within the text he obsesses over.

[@byksEBM]

Great explanation, FF7 Rebirth backs this (Temple of the Ancients, Story of the Cetra segment & Loveless in the same game)

[@jakemelliot]

There is a beautiful theme that FF is connecting to the bible and this FF7 narrative which is beautiful. And that is because he, Genesis, who is created by the Godess, is clinging to the only word/prophecy he has of his creator. The stage is set. Loveless is him. The story is named after him. He is not loved by anyone but by the very one who created him. Thus Genesis is the bittersweet. Loveless - because he knows the role he must play before the world and goddess to bring a peculiar redemption narrative. That is why I love Final Fantasy. There is always some references, allusions and extistential twists to stories we are all familiar with.

[@masamune2984]

Good point. We all make fun of Genesis for being annoyingly, obnoxiously obsessed with some “dumb” work of fiction, and yet here we are, doing the same. And for good cause. Our stories make us, as you said. 🙂

[@TheLandiLodge]

Nailed it

[@JacquesVideos7]

Its not for no reason hes locked in on this book. He sees and notices something deep enough to have to study. This book is speaking on minerva giving the eternal gift of death merging into the lifestream than destroying the earth. After that he says the world needs a new hero. He has interest in saving the world just not necessarily the people.

[@KiomonDuck]

God damn that sound track still gets me to this day nearly 15 years later.

[@BrennySpain]

I noticed in the original crisis core on psp there’s a lot of dialogue which isn’t spoken but just what the characters are saying with words no screen. In the new reunion version all dialogue is spoken out loud no matter what.

[@HolyDemonSnap]

You forgot that Seifer also bases his entire dream around a story.

[@aylahodson4128]

Who's Seifer

[@HolyDemonSnap]

@@aylahodson4128 Seifer Almasy from FF8.

[@masamune2984]

@@aylahodson4128😮‍💨😢

[@ajflink]

At least he didn't quote it every time you met him.

[@TheLandiLodge]

There are countless theories surrounding both Genesis and Loveless, thats part of what makes the character so interesting. I hope what I offered you here today was a perspective you haven't heard before, and perhaps makes you think a little further about Genesis and Loveless.

[@masterofmastersmaster2991]

I feel like Genesis and The Loveless story are like us in the real world and Kingdom Hearts analogies. It’s a way of making sense of our own existential crisis’ through a story that can display a clear beginning, middle and end bringing us comfort in knowing our struggles are not only shared but understood. Offering hope and inspiration for a solution.

[@Fragmentsinfractals488]

Well, if we take Sleepzi's Theory about Memories, then Genesis is manipulated by the Corruption of JENOVA in Minerva to follow JENOVA's script. Think of the Master's and Darkness's Books that expand this World from Kingdom Hearts. Genesis needed a "Role to Play", a thing to get manipulated by , a Destiny. Even Final Fantasy 8 has the predestined time loop. You are where you are because you were where you were. Behold, My Heartless Angels!

[@dramaproductif]

The gift of the goddess is purpose

[@len1802]

I believe that becoming one with the Lifestream is what Genesis wanted to reach, and Minerva being the incarnation of the Lifestream Will didn't let him to die (in DoC it's supposed to becoming the guardian of the planet being the one standing), showing that when she close her eyes upon Genesis, something that makes him sad. Still, the gift may be anything if gives you joy: Angeal fly away after giving his Sword to Zack, Genesis is capture in his pride and his search of the gift (the water surface might mean the lifestream), and the world was ending for Zack when fought the Shinra Army, his memories vanishing away in the DMW when he sacrifice himself to protect Cloud, and that making him the Hero. Dunno... Loveless has various interpretations, only yours might be right if you feel it... More now that infinite is the mistery of the gift of the goddess.

[@nobleaxiom]

The Loveless version in Rebirth was sub titled loveless version G. I would think this highlight strengthens the idea that the loveless version “G” with focus on the Prisoner as the protagonist is only one way to interpret loveless- coinciding with Genisis who accepts that his role was the prisoner to his own ambitions and his subsequent degradation plus further remaining a prisoner to become a guardian of the lifestream in exchange for Minerva rescuing him from his degradation with him acknowledging Zack’s soldier honor was the correct hero role way. Weiss and Nero collected Genisis at the end of Crisis core, and we don’t see him again until the secret DC cut scene. It’s possible that sometime in between this period Genisis was able to influence an interpretation of loveless centered on the prisoner hence getting credited for version G. Assuming this logic has merit, The implication of this version G could lead one to question other versions of loveless look? How would loveless look if it focuses on the Wanderer or the Hero? I have my thoughts that Loveless is a predictive prophecy about general character role types all people can fall into after birth, the hero, the prisoner, & the wanderer with there actions in life being like ripples in the waters surface during there life journey once born and the friends being other types of people encountered along the life journey way, and the last chapter being unknown because it’s up to the person to decide how the last chapter will be written. I presume the prisoner is blinded by there own ambitions but wants to do right, the wanderer losses hope in reality and want to change it, and the Hero upholds morals and honor to find the meaning of life in that… or essentially the gift of the goddess that all types are seeking. The war of beast at world end being the weapons ofc, and wigs of light and dark being the truth of what is both good and bad being revealed. I think understanding loveless like this makes the rambling of Genisis more palatable, but I have not seen anyone break down a idea about loveless outside the official crisis core guide interpretation. So basically, I think the idea of loveless being a predictive prophecy about 3 general characters types is no a stretch & a solid theory framework in understanding loveless and Genisis. Idk. I may have missed someone else putting the same idea out there already but I haven’t seen it broke down like this yet. Maybe I haven’t looked around enough.

[@aylahodson4128]

I wish LOVELESS was an actual book then I could read it

[@aylahodson4128]

Me too

[@saiko_oro]

@@aylahodson4128 Forgot to switch accounts ma'am?

[@aylahodson4128]

@@saiko_oro what do you mean?

[@SagurDaipolo-vr3ig]

@@saiko_oro r/whoosh

[@trevorphillips9576]

@@saiko_oro loooool

[@BrennySpain]

You know I gotta say I’m playing through both the original psp version and the new reunion and it’s really interesting comparing the two. The gameplay is just so weird I think lol

[@Cloofinder]

If youve played FF7 Rebirth, the play you watch is From Loveless and there is some connection between Jenova and the play

[@Merlin69_hahahaha]

There are many theories as to why Genesis is obsessed with LOVELESS, but only mine is correct; the Goddess is synonymous with the Goddess that gifted projects S and G (?) life, JENOVA. The wandering soul, then, he who is gifted with the blessings of that Goddess, is either Sephiroth, Genesis, Angeal, or SOLDIER as a whole. The sacrifice at world's end is the death of Zack, because that puts in motion Cloud's quest and the end of Crisis Core. Finally, the war of the beasts is the many battles that Zack and the other SOLDIERs fight in, as they lead to the sacrifice of Zack. I bud thee adieu.

[@animetalesseries]

this isn't really a theory, it's an accurate interpretation of a great character

[@strongarm852]

The prisoner is Genesis, not imprisoned physically but by his degeneration and Loveless itself. Angeal was the friend who flew away, and Zack was the Hero.

[@poltergeistx]

By you rationale, FF6's opera should be included

[@ajflink]

50%? It feels like at least 95%.

[@gracekim25]

Loveless? You don’t mean the manga right? Anyway merry Christmas 😊 26.12.22

[@sammybrown6730]

Why did you not mention the stage play that is also in ffvi, just because it was not on the Playstation does. Not mean that it is not an underlying theam in this secuon of FF games...

[@Tearfullxoner]

Bruu Name of the song

[@NeoAstrisk]

Maybe lower the music so people can hear you clearly.

[@youcefmoussouni4838]

Personnaly, i think that Genesis resonates the narcissisme of human nature

[@heronvannile4450]

Genesis still alive....square enix?

[@chrispeace4181]

Loved him when i was a kid.But now that i played reunion,i couldn’t stand his poetry,it’s not even poetic.He has a cool design and potential but he is so shallow in story.

[@aylahodson4128]

Dm, he is a character. Have some respect

[@guineapiggames8208]

He’s like those annoying Hamilton kids.

[@zackkeogh3515]

The problem is LOVELESS didn't originally have any big relevance to the plot. The billboard said LOVELESS and MY BLOODY VALENTINE on it. The guards in Sector 7 had tickets to it. Cid fell asleep watching it because it was so boring. That's about it. It became this foundational world text in Crisis Core out of nowhere and Genesis starts and ends his character arc in the same place, just wandering around, quoting LOVELESS. There's no power to his storytelling. It's terrible. We have Planetology texts, we have Stamp propaganda, we have LOVELESS, sometimes there's enough story within a story elements before it's too much. Our characters can't just be robots that quote lines from TV shows and stage plays at each other. There'd be no point for them to be characters at that point.

[@aylahodson4128]

If that'd what Genisis liked so what. Have some respect

[@Diablo3364]

He's delusional that's the point

[@SagurDaipolo-vr3ig]

Yeah its called expanding on a story

[@zackhernandez1687]

Actually, Genesis was extremely important as a character and very smart. “The greatest mystery behind the gift of the goddess…. The waters surface. And the answer I have arrived at is the lifestream.” And he was right. He was able to use loveless to figure things out And was constantly hinting at it the entire time. What heals geostigma at the end of Advent children? The waters in the church of sector 5 slums. The only negative of his character as a whole is his selfish motivation