Why Genshin's Story Quests Failed Where Wuthering's Succeeded

[@VoidEnigma]

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[@AuraLegend-up8tp]

I dont remember any tbh not counting the ones I did yesterday.

[@LTJProductionOfficial]

None works…

[@kristiantowijaya6168]

probably all are one-time redeem only

[@VoidEnigma]

@LTJProductionOfficial they are one time use

[@datuputi777]

EW knew it it's a shameless shil. 😂

[@Ellie-gx5iv]

Now I'm curious how people feel when they realize that wuwa's daily missions are segmented short stories of the NPCs life and struggle, which are quite meaningful and touching. For example, there's a old man has alzheimer's disease and the only thing he remember is to send flowers to his comrades dead in war. And we do the daily mission help him sending the flowers. Everytime the dialogs changed a bit and you realize it's not just a daily mission but a story!

[@xarfiz]

Don forget the cat quest u can name it n waiting how much cat we need to rescue

[@Apt23-v8u]

Or the quest with the artista and how we help him finding a style for himself

[@dairenchannel6172]

​@@Apt23-v8u yess, I'm surprised that we really helping him and the daily mission from him are progressing like we helping his own story

[@miku2desu]

one more daily quest, i think quest name "Third Rate Painter". is bout a npc that want to paint but need us to help. we become his work. and later on he finally being recognise by other people because of us..

[@shinsekai101]

It changed? I skipped anything that is not chatacter and main story dialogue lol

[@Nyangorou1]

As a Yelan main (C6R1), I applaud Kurogames for creating unique spy costumes for Yinlin in her demo video. Despite sharing the same job, you never get to see Yelan going undercover as much as hearing it from NPC and voicelines. I'm just tired of Hoyo doing the bare minimum and calling it a day

[@Bullminator]

Yeah and the mask villan was good ... not the generic villan npc 231

[@meh4019]

Talking about costumes, when I played the Secret Investigation quest in wuwa, I was so suprised that I actually had to go off to grab an Exile disguise, and put it on for the duration of the mission. As a genshin player, it was a huge step-up in terms of actual realism and being immersive (partially because of my experience with how Hoyo treated Yelan). And it was just a simple world quest.

[@sebutsajadia5803]

Why improving if you keep profiting 😂😂😂

[@shehmo]

Genshin made at least five times what Wuwa makes at its peak. And they use recycled NPC models as the main characters of their main quests.

[@sebutsajadia5803]

@@shehmo and im glad stop playing it. LOL

[@koconnor117]

Ayato's story quest was so weird and slow it was actually jarring. I was so confused.

[@jacktheripper7935]

I still remember the time when I had to do the Kokomi quest... I had to go on KZbin for music while putting the auto-read mode on or I'd have gone insane...

[@poyax.]

I was about to defend Genshin but yea, now I remembered Ayato amd Yae Miko’s.

[@tuna-rc8pq]

Same 😭 I thought it was going to be good since he didn't show up at the archon quest and he's quite anticipated but was disappointed at the end 🫥

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

Many of them are. It was such a chore to play some ofthem like Yae Miko.

[@markmorales1523]

@@jacktheripper7935 LOL same, i was reading some manga while continuously left clicking the dialogues to keep my sanity

[@lockse098]

I would say Genshin's "character" quests are less about the character itself and more about them giving you a task to do, while (from what I've seen so far) wuwa's are about us following them do a task which then results in a better understanding of said character.

[@RoseCookiASMR]

totally agreed. i enjoyed allö of them (besides dionas). my fav are heizous and kavehs hangout event, even tho kaeya was surprisingly fun as well ^^ i actually wish a hangout event with gaming or candace.

[@ChaffleWadapon]

And the fact that most of the purple quest in HSR Start with the Trailblazers saying "What kinda errands do I have to run this time?" Is funny as heck. It's like they acknowledge the problem, but kept doing it anyway.

[@terrormansakata9626]

I dont understand why mihoyo doesn't make companion quests include the character more it's supposed to make us understand the character more and like them more.

[@kmzwanabe4683]

how about dehya story quest ?

[@lockse098]

@@kmzwanabe4683 haven't played it, but from what I've seen you make a good point that there are exceptions... Not many, but they do exist.

[@Hyperzan]

In summary genshin character story quest is just glorified world quest with playable character cameo lol

[@5_tokki]

The fact that they lock it behind dailies disgust me.

[@Hyperzan]

@@5_tokki its one of many genshin timegating content, locking world quest story behind random commision are far more worst lol

[@5_tokki]

@@Hyperzan I understand gacha needs to make players stick to the game daily, but this one came out of nowhere. If they really want to timegate this feature, at least tie it to affection level so it became interesting dating sims or something.

[@TheJNGKvault]

@@Hyperzan yeah, that is seriously messed up. I have been rushing through the game stories to catch up with the current patch (new player), but every single quest has some characters "being occupied" in a random side quest that I have to work on. That can take a lot of time (considering that I do not unlock every teleport spot, and I have a thing with stamina controlling while exploring in this game).

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

i call the characters who appear in the story a marketing ad. It's the same for Wuthering waves btw. But since you're a lot more "integrated" in the story in Wuwa, it doesn't feel as bad.

[@av3_ther]

i only remember a few story quests in genshin, i honestly didn’t enjoy how most of the, revolved around the npcs. i think the hangout quests with the 4 stars are honestly miles better than most of the story quests, only because the characters in them are literally the main focus

[@ThanhTung-jx1io]

Exactly this! I've always told people the hangout quests are more story quest than the story quest itself lol

[@shutup1037]

Yeah, if they want to make the world feel more alive with npc have their own trouble, they can just put them in world quest instead

[@takiyayep8436]

side quests ftw. i love tsurumi story, but Ruu being a child #69 is so jarring i kinda bored with just his looks

[@ChaffleWadapon]

Although Wuli and Fuling was also some NPC that somehow got involved in this quest, the quest doesn't entirely revolved around them, but the outcome of this quest does affect them, because it opens Wuli's eyes that by giving Fuling an "Immortality" it wouldn't quite cured her, only trapping her in an eternal sickness. I also loved the subtle hint of Zhezi in Wuli's diary, I think it's a really cool way of foreshadowing the next resonator.

[@14112ido]

Oh God yes of course. The painter in Fuling's letter is Zhezhi. I totally missed that.

[@lhklan1311]

@@ChaffleWadapon There's another facet, I think. Wuli and Fuling is in a way, a reflection of Rover and Changli. Fuling is sick with illness, whilr Changli has likely shortened her lifespan by quite a bit. Wuli wish to cure Fuling illness, while over the course of ghe quest Rover looks like they want to prolong Changli lifespan. At the end, just as Fuling talk to Wuli allowed him to accept her eventual passing, Changli also did the same to Rover.

[@doedoel035]

@@lhklan1311 Man this thread is great. I missed Zhezhi as the painter mentioned in the diary, and I kind of miss how Wuli reflects the Rover the way we want Changli to be cured

[@ChaffleWadapon]

@@lhklan1311 W thread

[@boboverlord1]

More tidbits, the name "Wu" from Wuli refers to a type of tree that Chinese phoenix stays on. And "Ling" from Fuling refers to the phoenix' feather. Wuli's name is also a pun to mean "not leaving." So Wuli and Fuling represent Rover and Changli, respectively.

[@Nghe-gi-hay-zay]

I was really touched by the mission in Changli's story. WW did not only good but very good in conquering my feelings for Changli's story. I love this character whether she is really good in gameplay or not. I also want to pull her. But the truth is that she is so great from nature and gameplay.^^

[@Drejkol]

She's great but she's not like the other Damage Dealers. She's the Sub-DD - 2x E, Charge attack (hold LMB), Ulti, Charge attack, outro swap to Encore, then swap back to her and repeat or swap to Verina for heals, then to Changli and repeat.

[@Nghe-gi-hay-zay]

I started learning how to play this recently.^^

[@ronin7531]

​@@Drejkol1 basic attack after each E*

[@lekoknightgaming8071]

When I saw fuling I had to screenshot and send to my friends while saying: “This is a Wuwa NPC!”

[@Otherface]

How they reacted?

[@lekoknightgaming8071]

@@Otherface They didn’t believe me 😂. They actually thought it was a playable character 🤣🤣🤣

[@ababil2408]

been doing that since yhan and xinyi appear

[@ChaffleWadapon]

@@ababil2408 Yhan and Xinyi are the most attractive old person I've ever seen in any gacha games.

[@jacktheripper7935]

​​@@ChaffleWadapon 100% the truth. I mean, Kuro had no obligation to make Xinyi as pretty as she is, but they did it. My brain lagged the first time I saw her.

[@aavaron]

most of the genshin story quest felt like helping npc with the company of one of the characters, some of the world quests are more interesting and feel more meaningful than character story quests and it's kinda sad.

[@dnyaneshkale9540]

My experience with Genshin quests: - Wow a new story quest of character I like > ohh, its boring but maybe its building up > ohh, I'm feeling sleepy time to get coffee > ugh when does this shit show end > after hours of yapping finally it's done argh > what a fkin mess can't remember half of what's happened > opens KZbin to look for lore channels before I sleep. (Literally lore channels tell genshin stories better than genshin devs.) My experience with wuwa quests so far:- Wow a new story quest > gets hooked up throughout the quest wanting more progression, feeling excited about what's to come next > after some time ohh maan the quest ended? whyyyy...it was so good > Satisfied with it, can still remember key points because I was actually interested, sleeps peacefully. There, I said it.

[@emeraldgypsy1936]

This is so on point!! Just did clorinde's quest halfway (stopped coz I was too sleepy) and changli's quest completed... didn't want to leave even after completion.

[@buntyrajkumar5979]

We want more Changli mommy story ❤​@@emeraldgypsy1936

[@PluviousNight]

I also noticed when I play Genshin it feels like story quests are too long and I want it to end quickly but when it's Wuwa I feel like it's too short(meaning the story is so mesmerizing that when it ended I'm still looking for more) like Yinlin's

[@mbahugum8143]

In genshin, the traveller keep getting overshadowed by paimon

[@Glxrp]

Quality over quantity I stopped appreciating hoyo quests the more they felt like time sinks

[@oraengae]

Even the world quests in Wuwa are so good. The Mourning Aix world quest made me watch the final cutscene through my tears and i literally sobbed after it ended. Poor baby. I hope it finds happiness. Genuinely such a good quest holy sh*t. And the Lollo Logistics one- Wuwa world quests are top tier.

[@PY3100]

Ikrr I wanted more of them this update!! I love how they also affect the visuals of the world, it makes you look forward to what's gonna happen and why, and each one provides a new fun gamplay too. The place where Mourning Aix world quest ended is where I'm logging off recently. It just look so pretty I feel happy whenever I log in again xD

[@oraengae]

@@PY3100 yes, that spot is so pretty!!!

[@azncolada]

I love how we're actually just suppose to stand and watch as events unfold in Wuwa but act anyway while Genshin we do the opposite 😭

[@QuincyYhwach.]

Yah .. maids apparently can't even clean diluc's House without our help F**king hoyo 😂😂

[@meh4019]

Spoiler warning: istg when Jue told the MC they are only supposed to watch the battle and not interfere, and MC said "no way b!tch", that felt like kurogames intentionally making fun of genshin 😭

[@buntyrajkumar5979]

Now all the cats might be dying in the Inazuma becoz i deleted the game no one won't be there to feed them @@QuincyYhwach.

[@MessagerOfHell]

For the last three years, I got used to the idea that Traveler is pretty much a silent witness to what's happening around the world with a few moments sprinkled around where Traveler actually gets to pick a line or that 0.0001% to hear a voice line. The way hoYo treats the player condenses into this: "don't worry, you still matter and you're in charge; even if someone else is talking for you and steals 90% of what you'd be perfectly capable of doing during a dialogue/interraction" I personally call the game "Paimon's Bizzare Adventure" since she obviously gets all the attention a main character should in pretty much every cutscene and interraction. In Wuthering Waves I actually feel like the Rover IS the main focus of the story and has a part to play without Abby butting in and starts yapping for the heck of it.

[@arnowisp6244]

Even HSR is like this. Granted it's because of Elio who's basically directing the entire story towards his desired ends. And I say it's more that the Astral Express IS what is important not just Trailblazer. Belobog? Astral Express was trapped there and needed to deal with the STELLARON to leave. We just so Happen to also gain the Gaze of Qlipoth in the Process and a Cool lance. Xianzhou was more Explicit as the STELLARON hunters practically detoured us there. The only one Important to Xianzhou was Dan Heng and the result was the express gaining a Powerful ally in the form of the Alliance. Elio directed this because we will need their help in the Future to fight Nanook. How are we going to fight Nanook? Only Elio knows. Than Penacony. Honestly we got multiple POVs. So it wasn't just us involved. But if there was reason for the Astral Express to be there besides vacation it was the Past Trailblazers of Penacony and there legacy. Honestly Liked how Acheron was there to fulfill a Final wish for the Galaxy ranger involved with Penacony in the past. Boothill was just there...other than an alternative to not using the allying oath so soon. He was more of a set up for Oswaldo. Someone also connected to the background of Adventurine. I have no idea why Black Swan was there other than the Invite. She was Helpful because we were dealing with Ena's dream. We likely wouldn't have gotten out without her nudging. In the end of Penacony we also gained the Gaze of Xipe. Honestly. At least for HSR. Despite us not having any agency since we are travelling with the express and following Elio script. We do still feel important. It's just that we are Important to Elio's end game in dealing with Nanook. Which we can't say for Traveller.

[@Billingcrate]

I had to think really hard to how many story quest i remember in Genshin...

[@kyero8724]

Because theres a lot that arent shitty nothings? and This is just patch 1.2? xD I see your icon shows your bias.

[@urnarafiel2806]

@@kyero8724 lol saying someone bias because the person using Abby as PP. You can't say i'm bias because my PP not related to WW. The only story quest i remember only Furina, but it only because recent. Though i only remember when Neuve give the vision, only that. Genshin story quest too focused with NPC rather than playable character.

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

I legitimately only remember 2 because the characters were somewhat compelling, Zhongli and Eula

[@sath43]

​@@emailberkah848 world quest.

[@kantokuu]

​@@kyero8724 Mfkr just defend hoyo's ass in every WuWa vid. If he's bias what more are you? You're just a glorified hoyoshill.

[@angrymaniac53]

To be honest, yinlin's story was quite good. Jinshi's story too is beautiful and now changli. Honestly it's just feel like the character story kept getting better.

[@jacktheripper7935]

That's Kuro for you : they evolve, they get better.

[@CoFF3e_Man]

They learned from their mistakes lol

[@ryuki9788]

as someone who plays PGR, oh boy... the early chapters are so bad it hurts but now it's so good and depressing at the same time

[@narusas1222]

What about Jihan?

[@zechross]

​@@narusas1222jiyan is really good too. For understanding Jiyan past story and world building. We have more detail about how Tacet discord "consume" human and copy them

[@ThisIsPampkin]

I just want to give a shoutout to my goat Abraxas. first time we see Paimon, she yaps a lot. first time we see Abraxas, Homeboy was swallowing a whole Havoc Energy Nuclear Bomb from Dreamless; *AND IS STILL HUNGRY FROM ALL THAT* Let's also not forget that when Abby first see Jue, the goat just straight up telling Jue to Box. I dread Paimon's existence, I relish everytime Abby shows up.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Abby is just a deus ex machina machina that is for the devs to be lazy with in story. Literally. Now anytime they write themselves into a corner or don't want to do anything worthwhile in story to be creative they will throw Abby out there and call it a day. It's bad enough it already happened with the dreamless cutscene.. imagine if this shit happened with Paimon out of the blue during Inazuma? It's absolutely terrible writting.

[@Gheniel_]

Cant wait to see abby's true power 🔥🔥

[@redxhand]

​@@nobody-xh6iicopy pasta

[@girlfriend2287]

if abby has a million fans i am one of them. if abby has ten fans i am one of them. if abby has only one fan, that is me. if abby has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth. if the world is against abby, i am against the world. till my last breath i'll support abraxas

[@ayaya_uwuwuwuyourhead2698]

@@nobody-xh6iitell us you didnt understand storytelling without telling us, calling storywriter lazy by throwing abby like random entity everywhere is total BS, sure it cant happen with PAIMON(u the one bring it btw), coz that floating child is just a tourguide and yapper, not abby that rabbit is build different for rover, until the day they digivolve (reveal) abby true form, tell us again if the writer is lazy, seriously

[@remwort]

I was personally affected by Jiyan's quest. As someone from a country at war, his quest has a special impact on me. The ending hinting at imminent death, even if the character doesn't die in the game itself, is done so... beautifully that you believe it. You believe in mortality. Their emotions (Rover and Jiyan) in this final scene are masterpiece. And that cliche "if I die do/say..." but it's so powerful in context. His story, war, what kind of visuals and direction it lacked. I was crying. And the photo they gave us at the end screams with a hint "Remember him. Remember you together."

[@fraillies2769]

So the difference is in mentality. Could be outdated information, but when genshin start at least, hoyoverse still had the idol mentality. The story quests are designed to feel like a day out with your favorite idol, while wuwa pays more attention to who the characters actually are, rather than gassing them up in most cases.

[@Edolph_6m]

Most of the stories aren't even about the characters themselves. They're about a random npc's troubles. Hoyo doesn't know how to handle their characters.

[@Redheart709]

i think even now they still have issues with idol mentality. a lot of these characters aren't allowed to make poor choices. i thought for sure navia would've had some kind of outburst at clorinde! or that lyney and lynette would do something actually harmful! it's like characters are never allowed to do anything bad and be in the wrong for it. really, only the harbingers are allowed to be anything but perfect. you could argue Raiden was allowed to be flawed, but they then immediately woobified her in her SQ afterwards, so it didn't feel like it amounted to much! then her second SQ tells us nooo it wasn't really raiden, it was just the shogun. further absolving her. like why!! let the woman do bad things!!

[@shinsekai101]

What even idol mentality if the character quest barely show the character in said quest. Oh you mean, you can do the character quest with your own roster? I see no different with exploring then. Game is so bad but it had no competition it is seen as the God of games. And it proofs because 90% of my friends who play GI dont even play any other games. They dont have the mean to compare with games that actually has story and good.

[@arnowisp6244]

Until recently with Arlecchino and Lyney and Neuvilette. Generally Fontaine Story quest now put a lot more Focus on the character in Question rather than the NPC. ​@@Edolph_6m

[@hessaa1712]

make me remember jean story i didnt like it .. spending time with her .. would be better if she talk about her and barbra .

[@phase1254]

Changli for me is definitely the best story quest yet in all hoyo games i played so far, absolute cinema.

[@Beeeeeewwwww]

Pi think you should add "compared to" in that sentence 😅. Because right now it makes it sound like Changli's apart of hoyoverse.

[@melinda-elisatatar4253]

Wuwa is from kuro games not hoyo

[@hakou_9029]

I was honestly surprised when I see lil' Changli, I was like, "LOLI CHANGLI!?!? WTF!? THIS GAME IS COOKING!!" It's VERY rare to see a playable character as their younger self running around as NPC and not just in a cutscene

[@jamesnieves1216]

In my opinion if they added more voicelines for the Traveller and less of Paimon who until very recently has become aware that she's just repeating stuff that's already been said (4.8 event), we would feel more connected to the story.

[@lowspender147]

I heard they make the new useless feature, the Hide UI thing, it would be nice if they add something like "Hide paimon" or "Mute paimon", or "Enable skip dialogue and cutscenes"

[@jxwong_3982]

The issue with Traveller and Paimon is really one of “balance” rather than one of Paimon herself speaking, per se. Paimon does have a role and purpose on her own and I don’t think she needs to necessarily be removed/muted, and there are a number of instances of Traveller and Paimon having a better dynamic that allows Traveller’s personality to shine through more clearly, especially in the character voicelines where they exchange dialogue on an equivalent, back-to-back basis. But in regular story dialogue, Paimon takes such a large slice of the dialogue pie that the Traveller is left with almost nothing. It’s an imbalance of one personality being so dominant that it threatens to drown out the other; the deuteragonist exerting such a heavy presence that the protagonist ends up sidelined by their own silence. Let both figures exchange views with each other and with other speakers more often, on an equal basis, and that’s how you end up with Traveller and Paimon both playing a better and more substantial role in the story. I get that the game is based on BotW and Link is essentially THE silent protagonist, but in line with the same motive that potentially led to Paimon’s creation (Genshin’s world being more colourful, lively and populated), there’s no need to stick to Link’s traditional tight-lipped nature.

[@Bullminator]

Paimon voice actor needs a god damn raise. She has 100000x more work compared to traveler Va.

[@jxwong_3982]

@@Bullminator Funny you should mention that, because, as it turns out, the exact opposite happened to her pay last year...

[@shudere]

But good for the mc VA tho..imagine getting paid for 4 years only to say ah,ugh,argh,hyat,gyat

[@Deathy75]

For the first time in my life, I don't hate a small sidekick character, Abby was actually a nice addition to the story

[@jocelreloncillo8093]

and less yapping too haha

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Abby is just a deus ex machina machina that is for the devs to be lazy with in story. Literally. Now anytime they write themselves into a corner or don't want to do anything worthwhile in story to be creative they will throw Abby out there and call it a day. It's bad enough it already happened with the dreamless cutscene. Imagine if Paimon randomly started blocking oncoming attacks from Raiden back in Inazuma for 0 reason.. it would of made the Archon quests first. Imagine if she, for some reason, was able to stop Scara's 1 kill shot unscathed during the weekly boss. It's 100% terrible writting to have Abby even exist at this point.

[@redxhand]

​@@nobody-xh6ii Copy paste. Wat?

[@iflgames3245]

​@@redxhandhe has a point kurk bots fail to answer.

[@fredblue5500]

​@@redxhandbeing yappy yappy too much😂

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

Wuthering Waves Story quests are all 🎦PURE CINEMA. 🎦 But Changlis Story Quest hit the nail in the coffin. It ✨*PERFECTION!* ✨ I felt tons of emotions and I actually bonded with Changli emotionally. It was human-like. This is what we lack these days. It was insane! I cried at how well animated, the music production went for it, the voice acting - everything was Cinema! Pure perfection. I've done tons of Story quests from various Gacha games but to deliver such a Quadruple AAAA quality storytelling was insane. I have no doubt Kuro will keep this going, and if they maintain this quality level, they can improve it. I have no doubt this will get bigger and bigger! 👏

[@Apt23-v8u]

I love the story quests , how Linyang was now the last Swamii 😢 and his desire to be more than a Dumb and how lonely he feels, Even we had some foreshadowing about how Rover was the one that help the Swamii survive the lament

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

@@Apt23-v8u ye

[@TakoGod69]

imagine how big this game could've been if it came out in pandemic

[@rboygamer6668]

Don't imagine, we already know toxic mihoyo community was.

[@bendiver-r3h]

wouldn't be as big due to 70% of the mobile playerbase not being able to run it

[@yubel.]

The immortal blaze quest was a 12/10, literally had everything a good backstory for changli, good animations,cute characters, logical fighting, and the angels of changli where perfect

[@Ee_Ve]

Ayato and Nilou's quest feels more like an NPCs chore lol

[@BiBiren]

Yelan just spotlights an NPC than her lol. Tighnari's, although while sad, it had nothing to him at all except he is the side character. It was even worse that he had no emotional connection to that dead guy he happens to know as shown of their photo together. Made me think why Tighnari was even there to begin with other than fixing the robot. Raiden was the worst, first time made me side for the NPC (the same NPC in Ayato's) the second act i just feel like they were playing it safe. Itto actually takes the cake for me and Cyno recently they made it focus the mystery of his affiliation.

[@Ee_Ve]

@@BiBiren I agree... my hats off to the 2024 devs tho, they improved with the fontaine story quests. This time it's actually about the characters' interest, affiliation and identitiy. Furina re-entering the theater as an actress/director/producer after being labeled as a false god, set in the present. Neuvilette's history before being renowned as the symbol of justice. His story being a bittersweet reminiscence of the past. I actually like how this time the story quest is actually about the character. not some random dude who can't seem to get their life together.

[@Vaporizedmyfeelings]

Unlike genshin's SQs, in wuwa you are with the character 90% of the time and not with some random ahh NPC. And that already makes it better

[@Telldastory222]

I will like and leave comment here to see ppl who deny your allegation since i dont play genshin anymore. 🤣🤣🤣

[@ziebus904]

Only story i can think of is arle....

[@Niichiro]

Yep, it's one of my pet peeves in Genshin. We already have World Quests for NPCs dammit. Nilou storyquest wasn't even about her. Furina storyquest was fine at least because we're actually WITH her throughout it all and we have some segments that are focused on her. (Still starved for an Act 2) Dehya and Clorinde quests turned out WONDERFUL just simply because we actually care about the character the quest is about.

[@Vaporizedmyfeelings]

@@Telldastory222 We already have a hoyobot here 🗣️

[@Telldastory222]

@@Vaporizedmyfeelings aww.. i'm not even sided with hoyo. You troll really pick your victim blindly huh?

[@Personthatsit]

Honestly after experiencing pgr which is kuros other game im honestly not surprised how good the character quests are as they are so good at making characters that people like and giving the characters a back story that u can experience through like literally there was a chapter that was like 8 hours long for a single character about his life and it was absolutely heart breaking and i would say a contender for one of the msot depressing stories in the game anyway im just saying this because ive seen what kuro is capable of so im bery excited for the future of wuwa when it comes to story telling

[@VeneDee]

I also felt more connected to the wuthering waves story

[@AuraLegend-up8tp]

All story quests do have the exact same progression, and I truly cant remember any. I think one thing Wuwa did right was not making Abby your voice, and Rover talks. Traveller(which btw, sucks as how I need to know the main character) has the fewesst voicelines in genshin. Even when reading their story profile paimon has to yap inbetween. Honestly to hear traveller talk is so rare, I am in Sumeru archon quest rn and I have only heard thier voice at most 5 times. Im not flaming genshin or anything but for a game with such simplistic combat I feel like their story should be much more.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

I'd say having Abby is worse.. Abby is just a deus ex machina machina that is for the devs to be lazy with in story. Literally. Now anytime they write themselves into a corner or don't want to do anything worthwhile in story to be creative they will throw Abby out there and call it a day. It's bad enough it already happened with the dreamless cutscene. It's bad enough the story was bad but now that Abby is here it's alot worse.. Paimon NEVER done anything to actually interfere in combat or battle. Imagine if hoyo used Paimon as a crutch to block attacks for Traveler against Raiden out of the blue and doing it effortlessly just because they can.. it would make inazuma's story worse.

[@terrormansakata9626]

​@nobody-xh6ii what??? How is abby being actually useful bad writing? That's not how that works at all and abby has already stated that he isn't all powerful he literally can't be outside the rovers body for long stretches of time because he gets tired and hungry very fast. Also abby is more of a crutch than a useful ally since we were told that if abby gets hurt the rover does to people like scar and phrolova could easily capture abby and use him to kill the rover if they wanted to.

[@terrormansakata9626]

​@@nobody-xh6ii also ngl copy and pasting this comment multiple times is crazy like just accept paimon is a terrible character that had the potential to be good.

[@ChaffleWadapon]

@@nobody-xh6ii yeah, I can see that it can be a plot convenience when writer decided to. But having Paimon to keep explaining every line of sentence that already being said is equally as annoying.

[@tatsumaki7829]

@@nobody-xh6iiyou didnt realize that Paimon is just straight as* irrelevant??? like we dont even know her at all, no background story or what so ever... imagine shes with us all the time and all she do is yap

[@a4arick106]

kinda crazy that we just 3 character quests in and all of it were memorable for the players in the get-go.

[@HatokoCZ]

I totally agree with you and thank you for making this insight is on point. Changli story quest is an absolute masterpiece and I love the interaction you (MC) have with them, makes you feel GROWING WITH THEM. In Genshin I have like 7 character quest waiting because I had such boring experiences in past I don't even wanna waste my time.

[@AevyCh]

It's ironic how 4* Hangouts were given more thoughts than most 5* Story Quests. They even have lip synced.... which even Archon Quests didn't get (Inazuma still isn't lip synced after 3 YEARS).

[@nothing.266]

I enjoyed 4* hangouts more than the 5* story quests too. Most of the 4* hangouts actually revolve around the character instead of helping some random generic-bland-boring-forgettable-ugly NPCs that NOBODY gives a crap about them

[@hessaa1712]

that why i like to do hangouts and on top they give more primogems

[@assil555]

actually well spoken...

[@masterchiefcode117]

I have almost forgotten every story quest in Genshin, not because i have played them a long time ago, but they didn't have any impact on my emotions. Meanwhile, WuWa's story quest was on another level. Jiyan's story quest is about him and his late comarads, where Rover helps him overcome his guilt of not being able to save them all. Lingyang's quest is about helping people. Yinlin's quest is about uncovering a cult where she uses rover as a bait. Jinshi's story quest is about uncovering her true potential and helping Jinzhou city, and it's the point where we, as Rover, turn out to be someone who is called a lord by a God entity. Changli's story quest is about herself and how rover helps her to destroy teporal disruption.

[@thomaskennedy5728]

Jiyan quest ending was lame. Tbh genshin also has same kind of quest. Neuvillette story was like jiyan but much better from execution to ending. He had guilt of not able to perform his duty as judge for his own friend and melusine friend. The memory lane perfectly showcase what happened 500 years ago without rushing or slow pace. Lingyang quest is like yoiyima quest but yoiyima was better. With cutscene to dialogues, all were done much better.

[@p4ntom87]

@@thomaskennedy5728 Neuvillette was an exeption but still majority of genshin stroy quest is still focused on npc even after 4 years

[@ElegantHysteria]

It's also tough when magnificent quests like Jeht's story line in GI are not voiced. Like... why? Many people, myself included, hope that Jeht becomes playable one day. She was THAT good. If only they had voiced the quest which mind you, has 3 acts that span 3 patches and each quests lasts for hours. I did enjoy the lore and story telling in it too, which only serves as confirmation that it should've been voiced. But yes, for GI story quests. The ones I DO remember because they were lovely was Raiden's 2nd quest and Yae Miko (if only for that beautiful cutscene). But tbf, for me, all of Sumeru and Fontaine's quests were fantastic.

[@grasshopperdoingdogpaddle1896]

Changli's life is literally a Xianxia. Orphan found a master and became a powerful resonator (cultivator) in the realm.

[@dewitt4724]

Rover > Traveler Abby > Paimon

[@Bryanzilla]

fact especially with abby, boi best compantion

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

I just like that Abby is a smug Pikachu

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Abby is just a deus ex machina machina that is for the devs to be lazy with in story. Literally. Now anytime they write themselves into a corner or don't want to do anything worthwhile in story to be creative they will throw Abby out there and call it a day. It's bad enough it already happened with the dreamless cutscene.

[@arkcanon1282]

​@@nobody-xh6iistill better than Paimon.

[@ChaffleWadapon]

- Pop out - "There's enemy nearby" - Eepy time - Sleeps in your hand.

[@nargacuga8870]

‏‪0:03‬‏ lits be real the whole (witness) thing is a lame and stupid excuse for the lazy writing the hoyo do for the traveler and it's contradictory to , the don't see it until arle sq

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Honestly I liked genshins earlier hangouts and story quests BUT BY GOD THEY DRAG OUT AFTER LIYUE The worst storytelling and I mean the worst in the most extreme way The few hangouts I like were when they were direct in what they wanted to portray for their characters being waifus or whatever, Noelles hangout and beidou stands out from the rest because it's written well, even albedo was a compelling character despite being abandoned and anything interesting about him forgotten because devs The rest afterwards are fine but are pretty much just yapping The story quests act more like trials than storytelling because they constantly focus on random Npcs I don't gaf about and the only interesting bits are when the actual character appears Yelan for example is supposed to be this big cool character but her biggest intrigue doesn't come from her story quest but from the main story after you go into the chasm, it expanded a lot more for her than HER STORY QUEST Anyway my grievances aside from pure mid, the quests are just there to pad run time and aren't very compelling, they lose their merit pretty quickly In contrast to Wuwa it's basically just direct no nonsense right into the meat and potatoes with supporting cast LingYang despite being an unpopular character has a very deep sad story being the "last" of his kind Jiyans story is very compelling because we get to learn how much he struggles with loss and hoping we care for him the same way he does for his fallen comrades Yinlin has a more focused story around Npcs and her drive to get back at her mentor for his crimes and a way of moving on from grief Changli is just classic kuro writing making you immediately care about a character through build up of their sad backstory, she's an outcast and an orphan fending for herself and had to fill large shoes after her mentors passing The pattern with all of these stories, they're actually stories for the characters and not some cheap way to just sell you a product, they are well written but also told well I'm sure genshin in contrast has great stories but to get to what's good you have to force yourself through absolute drivel And yes this applies to Zzz which uses 4 mediums to tell its bottom of the barrel story, it's fun but not amazing Comics, cutscenes, visual novel, TVs Only two of these are good the VN stuff should have been audio that plays during in game stages or at least animated properly Its 50 gigabytes on Pc and 25 on mobile, Where Content

[@eraba661]

I'm so pissed that they removed Albedo's actual good story from the event... like what!? I missed that event so some things he was hinting in his Story Quest went over my head they should have made that Dragon Spine story as a Story Quest or something like that

[@theolailheugue9402]

​@@eraba661 same for Klee and Alice with the golden Archipelado in 1.6 or Mona quest in the golden Archipelado too.

[@Natsu]

@@theolailheugue9402 GAA from 2.8 had also Fischl's and Xinyan's character development, as well as Kazuha's actual backstory which was much more meaningful and interesting than whatever tf we got as his story quest. I'm going to be forever mad at mihoyo for doing that shit.

[@eraba661]

@@theolailheugue9402 IKR! I missed my 1st Archipalegao so I missed hell lot of Klee and her mom's lore and then 2nd one was amazing with Mona I hope it was her story quest or 2nd story quest cause that was really good

[@eraba661]

@@Natsu Hate this company so much for this lmao

[@arnowisp6244]

Sadly there are only a few Genshin story quests that actually put focus on the Character. Archon Quest like Ei, Nahida. Furina as well despite the NPC seemingly being made Important. It was just as important to Furina. Than Yoimiya 2nd story quests. Generally newer story Quest like Lyney and Arlecchino show they are improving. Problem is the Backlog of Lackluster Story quest.

[@ejie9399]

Jiyan's story quest will forever be my favorite. The promises exchanged at the end of the quest was still etched in my mind. ❤

[@rayman17420]

Im only about halfway through the mount firmament questline but imo since around Act 4 of the MSQ the story has been getting better and better. I know after there were a lot of complaints during the betas about the MSQ Kuro got new writers a started rewriting the story. So if i had to guess the first 4 acts were just the new writers trying to salvage something from the og storyline as the part of the gane was pretty much finished so they couldnt alter too much or it wouldnt work in that part of the game. Since Act 4 the new writers probably have been taking over the story direction and the last MSQ and the character quests are more indicative of the direction and quality of WuWas story going forward. PGR had a similar positive change in the quality of its story and overall better pacing and progression in newer chapters. Unfortunately it took a bit longer for PGRs story to become both more interesting and better presented (i believe it was around Chapter 8) but now every new chapter is as good or better than the previous one imo.

[@redxhand]

Yeah. Honestly the first PGRs i quit because the amount of yapping i have to endure. Too late, i wished i sticked longer last time but i didn't so illyjust enjoy the memes it pumps out :(

[@PikachuPolice]

​@@redxhandcap..pgr story been peak from ch 9

[@doedoel035]

Yep, I feel like PGR's story started to pick up at Fallen Star (Watanabe Astral and Ayla, plus Selena's introduction).

[@Nanii_nani]

Every genshin story quest should have been like Clorinde's and Sigewinne's story quest, those two are the only story quest where you feel like you are actually hanging out with them and getting to know them instead of labouring for NPCs with them (this effects especially characters who do not appear in archon quests) Since clorinde and sigewinne are the two newest characters, is this a new concept for story quest in genshin? We'll see with emilie, if they keep it that way, the story quest are going to be phenomenal and ill actually recommend story quest to others, if they stick with the traditional story quest though, its going to be boring as sht, it feels like we are getting to know more about the NPC rather than the characters themselves lol

[@gangsterprincess2]

I love how Hoyo makes so much dialogue with little importance, and they don't have a skip button. Just sitting there taping the screen/mouse constantly to skip is so excruciating. But ironically, Wuwa has a skip button, and i barely even use it bcz i genuinely enjoy the straightforward-ness of the dialogue

[@artemsheen8064]

Wait, if you make a character quest around a CHARACTER and not an NPC, people would like it? Crazy

[@Markeveli237]

Wuwa has indeed improved on alot of things genshin fell short of but i think they still need to work alot in their story department. the component genshin has that makes its story praise worthy for me is it always leaves space for more stories to be added to the character meanwhile wuwa feels like its already giving us a conclusion. for a gacha game i think its best to leave room for more future content. the only problem with genshin i think is it doesn't use this advantage enough. wuwa has alot of potential and i believe they will eventually catch up

[@AngelGVC8620]

Changli quest made me cry...

[@RoseCookiASMR]

actually, since 4.8 i actually have the feeling the devs are running out of ideas how to lead the story. the 4.8 archon quest just felt so... rushed and not really thought through. i was confused when deinslief was talking about something hidden in travelers body (or something like that). i was like "when the hell did he put a random key item in my body?!" i like deinslief but for me theyre not really memoryble. aside from the carbert quest i cant remember anything from the previous quests. i know i know we're not even close to the end but... i felt pretty unsatisfied, even tho i loved the interactions between aether and lumone i also am not motivated to play clorindes and sieginnes story quest, or the story quests in general actually. the hangout events are much cooler change my mind i loved heizous hangout event so much especially with itto in that scam fraud. it was way too funny. in wuwa the story quests feel much more alive. jiyans story was wholesome and also abit sad with that gulbpuff competition, yinlin had so many plottwists in that facility, lingyang just wants to dance and changli re-experiences her childhood.

[@keijimarckeian]

It also feels like somewhere along the line, genshin's story lost its main focus, the traveler. It's been so long but how much info do we actually have about our sibling. It just feels like the way genshin's archon quest right now is like we're on a wild goose chase. Like with deinslief, we know he has a connection to our sibling, so why aren't we focusing on him. Why aren't we focusing on the abyss. In the archon's quest, it just feels like sometimes we just happen to be there. And luckily, someone knows something about our sibling. Like this video said, we are a witness. And ever since genshin started, it feels like we haven't progressed at all. At least nothing significant. In wuwa, the story revolves around us and at the same time, the world around us has it's own story. At the start we question why are we doing this, why are we helping people. As the story progress we get clues on about who we are, especially on 1.1 we learn who we were for jue. And that answer's the why we do what we were doing. It was who we were. We were basically the world's hero/savior/problem solver. The difference between an mc and THE MC is their character, who are they, and their significance. Traveler is like the good guy who happened to be there, but what if another good guy was there who was as strong as the traveler, is there any reason for the traveler to be there. While rover, at the start was sought out by different people, he shows a connection to the world. Later on we figure out their connection to the worlds history hence their significance and power.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

If you paid attention Dainself thought he gave you the eye from the ruin guard because his memories got messed with the moment they approached the chasm. So he didn't give you what he THOUGHT he did and now it was stolen.

[@htet2002linn]

The worst thing is they even add a new abyss group. I mean come on just reveal about the celestial already. Instead of that they add a new group who knows where.

[@RoseCookiASMR]

@@nobody-xh6ii which dainslief quest was it that revolves around that ruin guard? i honestly dont remember

[@RoseCookiASMR]

@@htet2002linn OHHH I TOTALLY FORGOT. actually just shows how forgettable the abyss order is xD

[@TheFunnyscool]

I actually think ZZZ is even worse than Genshin for story which is crazy lol. I felt nothing with ZZZ characters, and there companion quests aren't even about the character which is mind bending, I've never seen a game make companion quests and not be about the character at all. Only 2 characters got any real story and i didn't care much for those either.

[@iflgames3245]

Genshin has te best story ZZZ next. Withering waves has not ha e a story at all.

[@Mehieddin7]

@@iflgames3245 yeah that's why genshin's story is among the worst in gachas and ganes in general

[@nguyenngoi793]

​@@iflgames3245try not having 15 chokes in 1 sentences next time, would you ?

[@yooonavarro309]

​@@iflgames3245i remember quitting genshin because my spacebar broke trying to skip all the shitty main quest😂

[@oyshikaadi9631]

I don't think it's a fair thing to say because the story structure of ZZZ is different completely. It does NOT follow the same formula that Genshin, HSR and WW follows Genshin, HSR and WW follows a structure where the main quest talks about the overall plot and the world is given the front and center seat. ZZZ does not. The main quests give the "FACTIONS" front and center seat and not the world. Chapter 1 was the cunning hares, Chapter 2 was Belobog, and Chapter 3 was Victoria Housekeeping, they were NOT about old capital metro, brant street constuction site and ballet twins. Unlike GI, HSR and WW, they were not about regions. You learn more about the characters in ZZZ in the main quests, as opposed the character quests in WW.

[@latitude990]

I would always save Genshin story quests for when I had something to watch on my 2nd monitor for about 2-3 hours. The ones I remember enjoying were Klee, Tartaglia, Itto, Eula, Nahida, Kazuha, Navia, and I think Zhongli's first one. 8 out of 50 ain't great. There were a few amazing portions of Archon quests that could/should have been sectioned off as character story quests (collei + others I can't remember), as well as others that should not have existed or been massively condensed (Nilou, Ayato, Mona, Jean, Yae Miko, Yoimiya, etc etc). Haven't done Changli's story quest yet, but so far I have enjoyed every single one in WuWa (yes even Lingyang's lol)

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Putting Kazuha but not Wriothesley is a crime tbh. Kazuha was literally the most boring one yet wriothesley was basically the darkest and the most intriguing. Clorinde's being great too.

[@PikachuPolice]

​@@nobody-xh6iistop spamming

[@legacymse7095]

You can shit on Genshin all you want but there's NO FUCKING WAY you find Lingyang's story better than any single story quest in Genshin. It was almost as boring as Ayato's.

[@trisaktifen]

Yae Miko quest is pretty funny imo. She's one of character that makes me laugh during whatever her job as a novelist

[@devildante9]

This is my overall experience with genshin and the reason I quit, out of every 30 pieces of content they put I enjoy 1. Not good at all.

[@kuroskun]

Quest Wiro is a perfect example. You spend an hour and a half doing the quest, solving some laundry riddle in a prison. After everything, you find out through a brief conversation by the campfire that he actually killed his adoptive parents. And that's all the character lore you get-two sentences out of nowhere that don't connect to anything. (In the end, Wiro says, "Hehe, I knew everything from the start but didn't tell you, figure it out yourself.") This is why, in my case, I'm more likely to do a world quest and complete the map 100% than start a character quest. What's the point if it doesn't add anything to the character? They give us lore that changes nothing, like in the case of Xianyun. Why should I care that she has a new student whose mother was a bird or something? How does that change anything for me, other than that they'll be standing next to each other in a future cutscene? And this quest could have taken place in the new location that just came out, but no, we're running around the old Linue, listening to long dialogues, only to get a cutscene that doesn't add to the story and messes with our emotions by hinting at Lumine. We care about the lore, but half of the cutscene was already in the trailer, XD. Meanwhile, in Wu Wa, I'm impressed that when we interact with a character, the quest is actually about them-their life and their problems-not about messing up a wedding like in Ayato's quest.

[@arnowisp6244]

Actually Xianyun story quest is good. You basically learn more about the Adepti and their affairs. Best Burb Mom. Don't know why you think it's bad. Got more information about her. Heck that story quests was about her and many sections you play as her.

[@urnarafiel2806]

Dang now i remember Xianyun story quest. Maybe the story it's good, but it's not memorable even though she is one of my favorite.

[@amari7782]

Genshin characters range from completed characters who have nothing to build up for in terms of goals or character development or they have a goal but because we’lvl never see this character again said goal doesn’t matter hence why a lot of their quest are nothing burger side quests. Wuwa story quests they just let you learn about the character and show case their personality while also making sure to leave an impression on the player

[@hxppythxughts7149]

It's somewhat true that genshin's lore is lot more interesting than the game current story. Makes me wonder if Travelers arrived in Teyvat during the archon war instead, or maybe playing as Travelers' twin witnessing the fall of Khaenri'ah and the creation of Abyss Order... imo that would be lot more interesting as a game story instead what we get now which mostly just about local archon got "harrased" by fatui number#

[@starskygamers876]

Jiyan story alone is better than any quest genshi had to offer even the archon quest. Genshin is all talk no feelings unless you luck braincells

[@legacymse7095]

Tbh I don't even remember Jiyan's and I read every single quest though. -Me general, was a medic -Me fighting on battlefield -Me see people die, previous general dead -Me sad -But me want to protecc. Here you go, that's his entire storyline. We've learned absolutely nothing. Somehow even less memorable than tiger boy's quest, that's an achievement. Honeymoon is one hell of a drug if people think it's somehow better than Genshin. Yinlin's story was a lot better and, after playing 1.1 (it was pure cinema), I have high expectations for Changli. But you're out of your mind if you think the first two we got are even decent. Shit even Mondstatd MSQ was better.

[@brokenthumbs1192]

I agree, all I remember on Jiyan's story is we saw his dead teammates fragments and the 'seed' 😂​@@legacymse7095

[@axellyann5085]

@@legacymse7095 calm down, Mondstatd msq is a hella low bar lol.

[@ianotalanota]

@@legacymse7095 Mondstad MSQ in one sentence "The dragon was mean, and then, he was nice" - Maxor

[@Royal_R3GALIA]

​@@legacymse7095bruh you obviously didn't pay attention to his story lol. Without being a boring ass textwall, we saw how the TD uses the memories of the living to make illusions of the people who were killed during a lament to effectively get more victims. We saw how the survivors cope with the horrors of the outbreaks everytime they fight in the front lines and how the city of Jinzhou and it's people responds as the outbreaks becomes part of their daily lives.

[@pkmdz]

Jeht should have been playable

[@Gheniel_]

LOUDER 🗣️

[@starlingo-than]

LOUDER🗣

[@1.loveArt]

LOUDER🗣

[@Fam98KK]

Jhet's story being more significant than someone like Candace or Dehya is diabolical

[@eraba661]

Rana as well, I have been saying it again and again but World Quests are written better than Story Quests which is funny lol I still have Kazari's mask in my inventory and I don't want to change it for blueprint for a catalyst

[@Killbunny]

Genshin SQ is a clear example of yapping lots but end up saying nothing. It's so unreal to me that people somehow convinced themselves that Genshin has "good story" when most of the time you're only following npc.

[@SoulHydron]

I mean depends on how much you care about worldbuilding. When first starting Genshin, on of the most impressive things to me was that every npc in mondstadt had dialogue and felt like well thought out chars with a place in the city and a unique personality that showed thru their dialogue. However i do agree that char quests sometimes do feel lacking in focus about the char, as the char usually have interesting backgrounds the players want to know about.

[@N.biebie8428]

@@SoulHydron and 4 years later they still use the same NPC for every Nation to come, new hair color and new clothes.

[@ziebus904]

​@@N.biebie8428oh no...how terrible... we talking about the story bitch

[@Sir_Ruminesq]

Because it's genuinely good ? Genshin's story is much more like Kino no Tabi's style. Now it's up to them if they like that style or not. But if we talk about the writing, I can argue that most of them are great in that regard.

[@hxppythxughts7149]

Imo most genshin story is "tell don't show"

[@WastedTalent83]

i sadly have to agree.. Also in Genshin the main story NEVER goes forward, and when it does its 3 hours quest 500 hours reading lore in books etc.. just shit execution on something that could have been REALLY amazing.

[@Xeeyar]

I really can't whenever you mentioned "NPC number blablabla" it got me cry laughing 🤣

[@Stormraider821]

I only just got started on Wuwa, so I won't comment on it. Even though I quit playing Genshin when Fontaine came out, I still remember that some early Genshin character quest felt like they focused more on an NPC rather than the character itself. But apart from that, it also felt like that there was no change to the character afterwards. No development of any sorts. You go through a long event, but at the end of the event, the character you followed is still the exact same person as they were before. So for some of them, it can feel like a waste of time.

[@rubyred169]

Got a wuthering waves ad before this video

[@rubyred169]

Only to followup by a genshin ad

[@AngryPringles]

@@rubyred169 XD

[@lightsaberification]

All the genshin character story quests after inazuma i would say have greatly improved storytelling and character development.

[@BartoNurdayat]

You right. But the aranara quest and sumeru archon in some part its anoying. But i really like nahida quest. Sadness and heartbreaking.

[@silverX3870]

​@@BartoNurdayat Unvoiced Quests are never fun anyway in any gacha game

[@nar7389]

I drop the story after finishing inazuma Inazuma world story is not really makes any sense Even the previous story (liyue is more good) i still consider zhongli is the really true archon among of them, his act and his believed to their people makes him more wise

[@lightsaberification]

@@nar7389 You should continue sumeru story and fontaine story, its heaps better.

[@nar7389]

@@lightsaberification is exhausted and is need some level to continue also i already hear tldr from my friend Still the archon story is not really great like liyue, focalor for examples the funny one, one more archon that act really not makes any sense

[@Bliss467]

Cloud Retainer’s quest was quite good

[@hoshiyomineedmoresuitamin5489]

true, I don't like her design and intend to skip but after story I roll her and triple cr :v

[@aslap4you882]

Paimon is the sole reason i have autoclicker for skipping scene. She is definitely madamyapsalot

[@SoulHydron]

I think they main difference is Genshin focuses on the worldbuilding. Though i do agree having character quests reveal more about the chars would be nice. I feel like wuwa does do a great job at least in attempting to show more about the char, i feel like it comes at expense of the world building. The npcs in those quests feel a lot less important and feel like the are more theres just for telling the chars story. Just a diff angle i guess

[@vr4893]

Exactly, Story-focus is the biggest difference between the two games. Wuwa's world revolves around the rover, while the traveler revolves around the world...and to be honest, none is better than the other as both have their own strengths and weaknesses. Wuwa : having the world revolve around the MC gave us (the players) a better sense of achievement, and more room for the MC to develop their personality (theoretically). Nevertheless , this writing model made less room for the world and its characters to shine, as the spotlight is focused on "us". Genshin : having the MC revolve around the world divides the spotlight's attention, which automatically makes the MC less "impressionable". Nevertheless , it gives soul to the world and its characters. In Genshin's case, this is further enhanced by the amount of detail they put into the literal worldbuilding. In the end, it's a matter of preference.

[@zackvyle]

​@@vr4893damn, that's well written. 100% agree with what you've said 👍👍

[@Bullminator]

Most of world building is in books/artifact text tho....................

[@SoulHydron]

@Bullminator not just that though. Even small details when you explore the map are usually intentionally placed there. Everything exists for a reason. Plus we are talking about the sidequests in the vid. Its true the archon quests doesnt always go super deep into the past lore, but i think part of it is to keep the main story not too complicated. And just build on it with the rest of the game

[@Blu-ps5rq]

​@@vr4893Still does not matter if its not executed well like Wuwa 1.0 and my whole experience with genshin made me want to read a generic powerfantasy isekai #456 just to get rid of my boredom. The problem with Wuwa 1.0 was that it didnt flow naturally, had bad pacing(too fast imo), info dumping and unfamiliar terms thrown and explained to us multiple times consecutively we barely remember crap (glad its heading in another direction). The problem with Genshin (at least my experience since im not caught up) is that the mc does not have enough impact to the story. Ik you are saying that they heavily focus on world building but having to follow a person who adds almost nothing to the story is not good. Genshin mc's impact on the story is just underwhelming compared to the situation as he gets his lines stolen by paimon and is usually just a witness. If you dont believe me then you can just check out HSR which is also very focused on world building and is just a 10x better story compared to genshin's.

[@BangSuRo]

Don't you think jinhsi companion quest is mixed with 1.1 main quest? In the 1.1 main quest, we got chara development, past story, and action for jinhsi, while at the same time solving the mt. firmament & jue crisis. Few of my words about what makes wuwa story better than genshin is. In wuwa, we got better cinematics, expressive characters (facial & body), unique npcs. As for genshin, i can only think it's better in backgroun music (which is heavily subjective). And for the worse part, genshin lately have become more and more yapping. Everyone there have long ass dialogue, as if the story writer ordered to write the story with minimum pages target, if you know what i mean. Idk if the storywriter wants to humanize genshin character by dumping unecessary info (npc daily activities, npc relatives story, etc etc), but for me it's just not interesting. Compared to wuwa, we got expressive characters that have rich facial & body language. And i think that's how to humanize characters in an interesting way.

[@vjbd2757]

I mean you have Ayaka and Yoimiya's "story quests" linked with the Inazuma Archon Quest. And they feel kinda out of place in a story about a nation under strict dictatorship from its Archon.

[@BangSuRo]

​@@vjbd2757 I know that. I agree with you with how disconnected ayaka & yoimiya story quest with the archon quest. But tbh, i don't hate those stories, it was enjoyable at least for me. And don't get me wrong bro, i don't say jinhsi story blended with main quest is a bad thing. Instead, i think it's a good thing when the character story is relevant to the main story. It's just people don't realize that jinhsi story is exist, but it's not a standalone quest like others. So i just mention it.

[@raul3363]

Although Rover doesn't always have a voice over, we always speak directly to the characters, it's not just Paimon and another character having a conversation, then the traveler says 2 sentences and that is it, WE are having a conversation with said character.

[@Dee-jd8vc]

The story quest in genshin that have actual character development in dialog/cutscene maybe only childe, itto, and eula. The other is just annoying to do. Some stuff could only be known if u read the manga, a f***ing artifact description, and voiceline. Stop playing a long time ago, so I don't know about the newer character.

[@RealAstroWhale]

True dat. I also have a backlog because my brain just rots and develops a tumor whenever there is a long yapping session. I just pick the story quests of characters I end up pulling because I actually like the character.

[@relx7981]

About of your first statement, correct. I feel like hoyo saying to me “traveller you have no right to speak, only paimon speaks(she eat so much because of this, she need to get energy back) , any you have no right to be powerfull, take this water gun and a bucket of water just you deserve”. That female npc with illness cought my attention also, good design. I do not remember story quests in genshin and i hate hangouts but i remember i having fun with Kuki’s hangout. Sorry for my poor English. Ps. I play on ps4, i play a lot of games but especially in nioh series “x” button is low stance and dodge and i use alot of this button but nothing happened, when i start play genshin( i start with 3.8) my “x” button start to less responsive because only pressing ones not skip paimon, i need double press or mash. I hate paimon😊

[@John_II]

I agree with your take about Genshin quests just sitting through dialogue. Ayato's stands out but there are so many others. Neuvillette's didn't even have a dungeon. Raiden's is tone deaf to her own actions (a brutal tyrant who gets to just pretend nothing happened). Some of them I just want the characters to shut up. That's true for a lot of hangouts too. But I liked some of them: Kazuha's was cool, I just wish his sword worked better with him. Ayaka's was cute. Yoimiya's was cute. Wanderer's was really cool although I didn't love the game play of walking slowly. I could go on, but not that many story quests are that well done. Was it Tighnari's that had the robot gathering parts to try to "fix" his dead master? That one was great.

[@CMaxoknight31]

leaving a like already cuz of the NieR ost, absolute based taste^^ And also 1000% agree, I can't remember the last time I actually enjoyed a character story quest (and I played every single one up until Clorinde's release when I quit)

[@girlfriend2287]

Did you know that Kuro actually had a collab with NieR on their other game ?

[@John_II]

That's an interesting take: "we're playing the after math of a great story, rather than the story". I never thought of Genshin that way, but it makes some sense. I still think Genshin has a decent main story with the Gnoses, Khaenriah (spelling?), and the dragons/usurper, etc. Not all the side quests are winners, but you still play a central part in the main stories; although the Traveler isn't always the actual hero in every scene. I actually find Wuthering Waves's story a little harder to swallow because you're the most important person in the universe, even the dragon sentinel knows who you are (Lord Arbiter), and with Changli's story it's clear you've been to SOL3 before. But it's very frustrating to me to have that mystery hanging there. I'm fine to enjoy the ride, and I really liked the Mt. Firmament story, but I don't love your own characters role/identity being a mystery as the central point of the story. It can be done well (like the Resident Evil movie from like 20 years ago) but if this game is going to go on for like 5 years, are we seriously not going to know our name for 5 years?

[@VoidEnigma]

Very good point! I hope we get more information sooner, rather than later, but who knows. It would be quite annoying if after 5 years, we still dont know anything about Rover... Considering how they have been showing us information, I think it will be sooner, rather than later though. We already caught a glimpse of the unknown god during Aalto and Encore's portion of the main story, so maybe there is hope.

[@aldyzero6676]

Genshin's character quests: focusing on the NPCs that NOBODY gives a crap instead of the characters, especially for their struggles and development. Wuwa's character quests: actually focusing on the characters, highlighting their struggles and development (Except Yinlin's story quest which more focused on the NPCs especially the main villain, bet there will be a 2nd story quest for her to make up for it).

[@daddyhadrian]

every wuwa companion quest i’ve played so far was so immersive to me. i enjoyed actually participating in the riverside games with jiyan (my favourite character), then cried when it was revealed that (spoilers) he was once apart of a temp team and he’s was the only survivor after the TD outbreak, and seeing him grieve a bit when he sees the phantoms of his old comrades finally lay to rest and get closure. i loved seeing and helping lingyang find bei ji then i cried when i realised that lingyang is (probably) the last of his kind and he became human to find a home again (as well as help humans). it was crazy to meet yinlin and see her shapeshift, only to cry when i found out that she basically lost everything and had only one other person she cared about, only to watch him turn into a monster and have to put him down herself. all the wuwa comp quests are good bc they fulfil all the parts of a good story: beginning, start of the journey, climax, conclusion. and it DOESNT take forever dialogue wise.

[@Radish21]

its as if genshin devs gave up the moment they saw the $$.

[@HH-kr4fv]

The writer of the surviving lucem chapter in PGR started to come over to help WuWa team on the story half way through. It seems like the significant improvement of the story telling part is thanks to the person.

[@DT-bo1zk]

When talk about lore, character development, world building and a lot of story related stuffs, i think both wuwa genshin and many other gacha games should take limbus company as reference to learn from

[@VoidEnigma]

I completely agree!

[@blingbling2841]

Genshin story, well has a major issue. As the video mentions: "leaves a lot to be desired". I'll explain why. Hoyo started Genshin with the business model catered especially a bit too much towards minors and little kids. Thereby watering down any bold story themes. I have been playing mihoyo's games since Houkai Gakuen in 2016. So you can imagine I have seen the contrast with their previous works firsthand before Genshin came along. Not only is the narrative as the bystander POV different from Wuwa, even after 5 nations of running with the same trope "Mario Your Princess is in Another Castle" they expect people to actually think that the story is good enough. And truth be told, somehow that misrepresentation actually works with most of them. Are gacha players basically bad at assessing story quality, narrative quality, or is it that most of them care about other things and will take whatever crumbs hoyo throws at them in terms of story quests. Why? Well the lore fanatics will try to convince you that a lot of the lore is in the crumbs buried around the world exploration as if they are providing some form of justification. The story quest should have 100% of the story inside it, anything else should be the bonus information, as Wuwa handles it. But Genshin gives you 67% of the story in the story quest and suggests you dig the 33% out by exploring the extra stuff scattered around. They also do not provide the player the choice to skip dialogues. Some pepegas will tell you that they made a company to tell a story, and I've already dealt with those naive fools before. Apparently they dont want to believe that hoyo is just a gacha game company. Unnecessary censoring, Overused Recurring Tropes repeating through each nation, Extremely Slow paced Narrative, Fragmented Lore elements, Lack of choice to the player, and lastly unrelated but the deliberate rationing of QoLs are what makes their storytelling so bad. Imagine ZZZ gets a skip button on launch but Genshin doesnt have after nearly 4 years. I guess after coming all this way they wont change this, as it will make them look extremely desperate. Wuwa's future success will determine how hoyo plays it. They are playing it by the ear totally right now. As All Of A Sudden, there are so many QoLs that were added into the game and this right after Wuwa release, surprise surprise. >For 4 years Hoyo Kept Enhancement Ore Limit to 10k, Food item limit to 2k, ingredient limit to 2k, then raised ALL Of These after Wuwa release >For 4 years Hoyo Kept Open World Boss Respawn Cooldown to 3 minutes, then Removed it Entirely after Wuwa release >For 4 years Hoyo Kept Abyss rewards same since 1.0 then raised it to 800 after Wuwa release >For 4 years Hoyo didn't add any other Recurring Endgame and Primo Source then Added Imaginarium >For 4 years Hoyo Didn't add any Quick Sweep to initial Abyss floors, then added the feature after Wuwa release >For 4 years Hoyo didn't raise Resin limit, then increased it after Wuwa release (& also recently added Long Term Encounter Points redeemed against Original resin) >For 4 years Hoyo didn't optimize long press on leveling up system, now it speeds up and caps to max level faster after Wuwa release Some personal speculation below: In near future, Hoyo will add Crafting bench inside Domains In near future, Hoyo will raise Resin Regeneration Speed In near future, Hoyo will raise Condensed Resin limit from 5 to 8 or 10 In near future, Hoyo will add another endgame primogem source

[@Cain69420]

I used to actually read the dialog in games before playing Genshin, now I dont even have the patience to read a full sentence. Genshin broke my patience with so many irrelevant dialog.

[@ixhsyo]

Arlecchino’s story was different from the rest, which I really appreciated. We got her lore (which was previously summarized by the short OST Genshin released weeks before Arlecchino’s release in-game), which helped me be more connected with the character. For Changli’s story, her lore and the story itself was amazing and immersive.

[@DarwinPadoc.]

I think that its good for npcs to have a unique appearance. This gives them a chance to be playable in the future ( like Bridget from pgr ) . Look at the girl from aranara quest and jeht. A lot pf people wants them to be playable but how can that happen when they look like common npcs? Changing their face would be weird too😂

[@hessaa1712]

jeht have possible to change as she covering half her face all the time

[@thesseus1332]

I love inazuma archon quest, i love raiden story quest, i also like sumeru archon quest and i heard that fontaine archon is amazing too but i didn't get there because i quit genshin. Compared to wuwa i feel like most of genshin quest is just yapping for the sake of yapping, it's just paintfull to do most of them. I feel like wuwa has better pacing, less yapping better immersion overall, you actually do things here instead of watching how other people do stuff

[@BartoNurdayat]

I remember doing sumeru quest archon. Honestly the story is good. But the part we repeat time for sveral time for save i dont remember name npc woman who have illness is anoying. The quest i really enjoy in genshin is furina quest. And for wuwa, first time i feel they yapping so much. But after reach noffal barrens quest i feel woaah. And the 1.1 quest are amazing. The thing really hook me in wuwa quest is the MC speak, expresive, the NPC look cool and they fight..

[@hessaa1712]

furina quest is one of best they bring because it show her character development , having new propose of life .

[@sagaleuix2989]

Yes, I've been saying this for years - Genshin have amazing LORE. Thanks for pointing that out. I too just want to start during the Archon War. The potential is just amazing.

[@KatyaXx0]

This should shut up any remains of ignorant kids who claim that Genshin has better story... naaaah man.. it has better lore... NOT story.. Amazing video ! And OST choice.

[@SoulHydron]

I actually think this is a fair statement at least in certain cases depending on the char. I just dislike the writing and dialogue in wuwa personally

[@VierzheTsuu]

​@@SoulHydronI can't connect to any wuwa character for some reason idk... It feels like the characters doesn't even live there

[@nargacuga8870]

I think it's called "storytelling"

[@khanhliuliu_]

Lore in Genshin is just so PEAK, but the story telling is just AWFUL (pre version 4.0)

[@younge2273]

It definitely has a better story and this vid won’t change the majority opinion. Wuwa is well known to suck badly with its story

[@DisIngRaM]

I don't know about Genshin (Didn't play it), But in Wuwa, when Jihnsi & Changli story respectively came out, I expected myself to just storm the content, use skip now and then, and be done with it. Little did I know at that time, I would read through all of it, and never used the skip button. Overall a good~great story. While not the best I've ever seen or read, but enjoyable and definitely not a filler. The 1.1 wuwa story is definitely steps better than 1.0.

[@atlas.w.4805]

The only story quest that I actually fully enjoyed in Genshin and wasn’t bored was Clorinde’s, even though there was that one npc (can’t remember his name) most of the screen time was dedicated to actual playable characters

[@arnowisp6244]

That's most of Fontaine Actually. Wriothesley. Neuvilette. Sigwinne. Lyney and Arlecchino and Navia. Sadly backlogs of terrible story quests don't help. Honestly we should ask if Hoyo can do Act 2 for many of them just so Players can be assured of Quality.

[@silverX3870]

Saying that all genshin story quests follow the same format is just completely wrong, each story quest in the game is different and shows us more of the characters personalities,teyvat's lore(sometimes), backstory all one's that I enjoyed and are incredible: Zhongli Act 1, Klee, Xiao, Eula, Itto, Yelan, Tighnari, Nahida Act 1 and 2, Alhaitham, Dehya, Baizhu, Yoimiya Act 2, Lyney, Neuvillette, Furina, Navia, Xianyun, Arlecchino, Clorinde and Siegewinne

[@amandaslough125]

It's almost like the guy did a few quests that were somewhat similar and wrote off all the rest of them. It's been 2 years since Ayato's. I know I don't go out of my way to do character quests at release, but I also understand why the side characters are doing what they're doing.

[@qiqiland443]

it honestly depends on the person. i was so excited when wuwa came out and played for about 2 weeks straight. but then i just got tired of it and went back to genshin. I found the story quests to be a bit boring, even the main quests. i ONLY pay attention to genshin archon quests though. I still dont see why people keep making videos comparing genshin to other games just for views. Theyre both pretty different if you've played anything like hsr, genshin, wuwa, and zzz. It all 100 percent depends on a persons preference- which is totally fine!!

[@jchang97]

wuwa cant live without talking about genshin :D

[@Mr.Spiller27]

And they keep saying gi is superior in storytelling. Gi fans are really like flies, no matter how much you convince them that honey is better, they'll keep eating shit because they're used to eating shit

[@skyhart9926]

The fly-honey-shit analogy is so beautiful. That is so true!

[@jboy7894]

MY GOSH thank you for this video, a lot of people are clearly biased towards Wuthering Waves (myself probably included) but you gave a very good take. I honestly absolutely loved genshin's early storyline because I was caught up, and playing a new patch's story with new areas was exciting. Up till inazuma I really loved it, and yes, there was a lot of yapping but paimon wasn't unbearable yet. The thing that did it for me was the scene where traveler leaves inazuma castle in shock, and you have these amazing soundtrack playing and visual effects to emphasize the significance of the moment, but Paimon is just squeaking in your ear and narrating everything... I really liked genshin but my time with it is over, I look forward to wuthering waves content baby!

[@mariohumbertomorfinmarin5173]

0:54 City in ruins? 6:05 Amusement Park

[@voshadxgathic]

If you think about how cyclical Genshin's lore is, we are basically replaying the Khaenri'ah arc, merely at a different point in time. The Archon War was yet another arc years earlier still. The players and pieces, even entire chunks of the story may be altered, but unless something major changes because of our being a Witness, then it's all going to play out again.

[@IdkWhatToName1]

I would say that the traveler rlly seem to act more like a camera man instead of a MC of a game. Like how is it possible for a being that's got powers to control 5 different elements be afraid of alcherino to the point that he doesn't even move. And tell me if I'm wrong, does it not feel like that the quests in genshin seem to bring more information to the side characters or history instead of the traveler, like where did the traveler came from or what happened to him/her is still unknown with 4 whole versions into the game. And in WUWA is clear that so far all the quests lead to something related to the rover, for example when Jue told us that it was the rover who sent it to create jinzhou and protect it (technically making us a emperor of a land since there is 6 other kinds like Jue around huanglong). Providing info about the rover each time we finish a quest and it actually goes around the mystery of rover Ik it seems like I'm hating on genshin but Im rlly not, I love the game but you guys should get my point here right? So plz don't hate on me😅

[@mikyeediaz120]

I understand you. That's why I sometimes just rolled my eyes whenever we finish the Archon quest, we get nothing until we finished Sumeru. It's like frustrating because we get to know Traveller and his/her sibling during once or twice(?) per region. I forgot since it's been awhile of course. The story of our traveller is quite slow and I don't know if I'll continue to know more? But I do wanna hop into Natlan though. I haven't progress much on Wuwa but so far I like Rover more than Traveller. Heck, I even like Caelus more than Traveller lol.

[@DarwinPadoc.]

​​@@mikyeediaz120I say it's normal to like the galactic baseballer more than Tabibito

[@kylegreen6711]

People so mad the Traveler is a legit character and not a prophesied god they can roflstomp everyone with

[@havoc-k107]

I legit had the burnout from doing Genshin character Story quest and those side quest keept getting in way to archon quest just because they are busy at another quest and i couldnt progress. This is the real reason i quit the game. So In wuwa i have been avoiding the character quest but not anymore this video gave a lot of movitation thanks.

[@traplegend5065]

I dont agree atleast with how well fontaine story quests have been. Wuthering Waves has had jiyan and changlis good story quests, but otherwise the quests has been pretty mediocre. Like sure, some genshin quests have been talking about npcs, and have made no sense. But new ones, especially clorindes have done exactly what a quest should. Character backstory, insight into the character, and potentially character development

[@yooonavarro309]

Someone says i should go back to genshim when fontaine up because it's "good" na-ah i wont even call it mediocre genshin is a trash game if you think fontaine is good😂 your delusions needs medicine

[@doedoel035]

With how many people are saying how character quests are picking up since Fontaine, I should prolly look some KZbin videos on it. I'll start with Clorinde's first

[@Lucario-ct9ln]

​@@yooonavarro309it actually does good. So you're one of those that believe thing will never improve.

[@traplegend5065]

@@yooonavarro309 Mondstadt is literally better at showcasing the landscape than wuwa starting story. all starting stories are bad, they get good later.

[@yooonavarro309]

@@traplegend5065 no exaggeration you need medicine brother

[@lilblkrose]

I miss Itto quest 😢... and Xiangling, I appreciate that the NPCs aren't random into existence but are pre-existing in the world (or into). WuWa does reuse mob NPCs, just that there's so much variation of NPCs of each type, it helps so much with such minor differences made or not.

[@piloswinne]

Lame incapable protagonist + irrelevant NPC story + endless Paimon yapping = no skip button Cool capable protagonist + relevant character story + Abby's on point remarks = yes skip button This is both sad and funny at the same time.

[@LUCAS420BLZ]

Abby is a proxy for the based people while rover actually speaks and is a character than a plot device

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Abby is just a deus ex machina machina that is for the devs to be lazy with in story. Literally. Now anytime they write themselves into a corner or don't want to do anything worthwhile in story to be creative they will throw Abby out there and call it a day. It's bad enough it already happened with the dreamless cutscene.. imagine if this shit happened with Paimon out of the blue during Inazuma? It's absolutely terrible writting.

[@Eb-sq3jd]

@@nobody-xh6ii we get it your a genshin whiteknight defender Paimon is the worst thing about genshin besides the mc being a useless bum

[@terrormansakata9626]

​@@Eb-sq3jd ya lol he's posted the same comment like 9 times in the span of like 10 minutes lol bro has no life

[@deadlybeauty53]

@@nobody-xh6ii again you damn moron? how many times you copy paste this crap ? over 20??