Why GenZ won't join the Military

The US Military is making "Get Ready With Me" style videos to try to appeal to GenZ. But the next generation of Americans is joining the Military at a much smaller rate than the past. But why? Blame KZbin?
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[@ericverster4069]

Hard to compel people to join the military when we see how veterans are treated.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

vets are treated great.. free healthcare, disability payments, free college, zero money down home loan...

[@ericverster4069]

@@juanshaftpatel7488 ptsd, suicide ideation, difficulty assimilating into civilian life, propensity to section 8 you from firearm ownership if you were sad once.

[@The-Shadow-Realm]

It’s overblown and a highly case by case basis. The only fellow Veterans I’ve seen have these issues by in large were in that situation by their own making. More often than not, other Veterans I’ve seen have a rough time after service were in such a predicament because they didn’t study their VA benefits and procedures before they separated from service, waited years or decades to file claims (and didn’t research how to properly file claims), they didn’t reach out to any Veteran Service Organizations, and/or they didn’t simply plan for what they wanted to do in some form or fashion after service. Also - big deal if you can’t own a firearm. Seriously, not owning a firearm is really not a problem.

[@ericverster4069]

@@The-Shadow-Realm Sounds like you have an opinion that many people disagree with, and it's a great thing you have a consitutional right to voice that opinion with said constitution being generally protected by firearms. Many people don't share your enthusiasm about being barred from a right they signed their lives away to protect.

[@The-Shadow-Realm]

@@ericverster4069 sounds like you’re insecure as hell with your “DURRRRRRR - MUH GUNS! GIVE ME MUH GUNS! DURRRRR ME TOUGH BECAUSE I HAVE GUN!” Like whatever man - keep living your fantasy. Are you so insecure that if you can’t own a firearm because you have a diagnosed mental health issue you feel like you can’t function, or did you just hit your head so hard that you’re just that stupid? Really and truly, think about this: if you have a mental health problem, you shouldn’t have a firearm.

[@genericprotagonist2842]

It's almost as if people aren't willing to risk their lives for a country that literally hates them

[@mrconfusion87]

And that intervenes abroad for any and every reason EXCEPT their publicly officially stated reason - "To defend democracy, freedom, and human rights!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@cameroncole06]

Agreed!

[@blacklyfe5543]

Yup

[@u2-tv899]

📑 🧐 Hmmmm Oooh lord🤦‍♂️!.... 🇺🇸military spent $4billion on marketing promoting agenda for “THE ALPHABETICAL MAFIAS” ESG that has been propagated by big corporations: BLACKROCK, BLACKSTONE, J.P. MORGAN, etc… As a vet myself, (low casualty) Leadership doesn’t care about about you. Only care about the mission to boost their political agenda, career, pocket…

[@dudedude6690]

No one should serve a country even if they show they that they love you

[@wesleyhoward5599]

Someone once asked me what it was like being in the military. I said, "Think about your high school bully. Now, imagine he's your boss and you live with him."

[@Starcrunch913]

Agree.

[@atlashums]

This is perfect! Well said.

[@mehnah5033]

Ouch 😬

[@mosessalazar5484]

👍

[@nuclearwaste2062]

As a veteran myself, this 100%. Its down to a failure of leadership and bullies running rampant. And unlike in the civilian world you cant just quit the military. Once you're in, you're in. There is no getting out of your contract. And if you are a woman in the military its 1000% worse. I've had female sergeants and LTs go through some horrible shit that wouldn't fly in the civilian world.

[@OutWest-BibleStudy]

The military suffered 3 big losses in a very short time. The withdrawal from Afghanistan. The COVID debacle and the poor treatment of soldiers related to that. As well as the overt politicization from the general officers. This generated a ton of resentment in the ranks towards the higher ups. I always tell people the worst loss the military can suffer is a disgruntled veteran. And the last few years have created a TON of disgruntled vets and soldiers.

[@kanthanesankandiah760]

Dont forget neo marxist Lgbt numbskull and feminist numbskull

[@BY-fd7bi]

Boom.

[@kevinsiu4956]

You need to get diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps and rubella, and polio vaccines before you are even allowed to attend US public schools. The US military already requires a bunch of vaccinations for all enlistees. Aside from anti vaxxers (of everything), the overwhelming majority bitching about it were morons doing so for political reasons (because it was the main reason why Trump lost reelection).

[@m.c.martin]

3 major hits but not losses*

[@anthonyvera8524]

You mean the military has suffered three big losses under this disgusting president. Got it.

[@DigitalYojimbo]

one thing I actually respect about the Gen Z. let the politicians fight their own wars.

[@Life_is_Shorts]

then ask for money, jobs and free housing. I do not respect them at all, you have to earn it. it does not come from refusing to do for others and complain about the state of the world or nation

[@anthonypan205]

@@Life_is_Shorts Do grunts get any of the oil wells in Iraq? or is it Dick Cheney's buddies who got no bid contracts speaking of free stuff, why do oil corporations get free/subsidized sea patrol courtesy of the US military? Did they earn that?

[@infini.tesimo]

​@@Life_is_Shortsthe level of ignorance on how things actually work from your statement is astounding. You do realize that since 1933 the United States Incorporated has introduced socialism and communism under the guise of welfare creating dependency more and more on the government as time went on with expanding the benefits of this because they decided to take all the gold and silver away from the people and left them with only their signatures to authorize every purchase under the full faith and credit of the United States, which means there is no money out here you fucking tool. What the military is getting is what the section 8 gets minus not dying for violent mergers and acquisitions of other country governments which are classified as companies so that they can expand their ventures of making up fights that literally no one cares about but it's the banks job to make up excuses for expanding business through the CIA who decides where we should mettle next and create proxy wars and even mainstream wars.

[@MelvinJ64]

IF no one fights the wars, you'll become a Chinese Satellite state in no time.

[@anthonypan205]

@@MelvinJ64 sure, send the rich to the frontlines first

[@apostolos8734]

My dad is a desert storm veteran and has always told me he doesn’t want any of his children to join the military, he barely sleeps and has to jump through hoops to get his VA benefits. Me and my siblings saw how America treats its vets and want no part of it.

[@patrickthurs5342]

Also a desert storm vet with sleeping problems and PTSD. The VA is a long process and you dont get everything you put in for. Still would not change a thing. Loved my service.

[@rein3684]

OIF vet that barely sleeps here. Took me about 11 years to get my benefits

[@patrickodonnell9388]

I to am a desert storm veteran and I'm still struggling with getting the benefits I am do. I'm still struggling with PTSD but I don't have a record to show I'm suffering from PTSD because I have kept it to myself but anyone who has served is suffering from PTSD.

[@rein3684]

@@patrickodonnell9388 you can still file a claim for PTSD. I didn’t have any record either but had to get an examination. It was free from the VA.

[@patrickodonnell9388]

@rein3684 I'm in the process now and I did a exam already still waiting for a reply from VA it's been 8 months now.

[@colewilson823]

My best friend went into the military and came within 2 years stricken with brain damage. VA barely helped, up until we lost him through suicide about 6 years ago. Look out for you and the people in your community locally. The trouble is really in our backyard

[@owencarroll9878]

im really sorry to hear that bro

[@jdog4usmc1]

Sorry to hear that bro

[@I_am_skibidi_toilet_god_]

Sorry to hear that bro

[@mrconfusion87]

Ouch bro! Sorry to hear...

[@ambo9569]

That’s so messed up. Your friend deserved so much better.

[@courier6541]

Ex-army here and i wont stop telling people how bad it was for me and how terrible it actually is. I wasn't respect when i was in, I was a glorified janitor and the amount of details we had to do(extra duty) was absurd. I love my job but i never did it. I would walk back to my barracks seeing people cry in their cars. The sign for "last incident since drunk driving" stayed at zero for a week straight one time. We couldnt get past 30 days most of the time. If you weren't drinking, there was a high chance you doing drugs on the weekends.

[@asahisagoiboi3517]

I am Navy and have been doing this for 20 years and will continue doing until I die.

[@LoganTheWittyPizza]

​@@asahisagoiboi3517Congratulations, Chief

[@LeandroTorres94]

@@asahisagoiboi3517well must be so hard on you to sit on a ship all day.

[@carlosnievas1220]

Yes I agree! I was a supply clerk at Ft Drum, at the millenium. I was assigned to an infantry unit. My mos was so special that infantry guys were doing it! Infantry were mechanics, ammo people, transportation, personnel, supply, etc. When uniform inspection came along, I was asked, "where is your blue cord, cross rifles, etc." I told them that I was not infantry. They were shocked! My recruiter deserves a punch in the face. To the post maker, you are not kidding!

[@reubenmorris487]

@@LeandroTorres94 😄LOL!😄@ idiot who thinks most Sailors sit on a ship all day...

[@Killachamper256]

I've talked to vets as well, they tell me the same thing: don't join. Basically citing that they don't care about you.

[@uptin]

Wow really?

[@Killachamper256]

@@uptin A part of my job is to check IDs, so when people with military IDs show me theirs, I will thank them for their service and ask if I should enlist. Both men and even women veterans have said to me on numerous occasions that it is not worth doing. These are people in their 50's, 60's and even 70's.

[@far_centrist]

​​​@Kamil15158 people that asked the question are those with common sense and a healthy degree of skepticism to the cause. People who seek thrills would not have asked the question in the first place. They aren't telling people not to join, they are responding to the question whether they should join or not. As for those who tell their kids not to join, they have every right to do so.

[@dmacarthur5356]

The military has never really "cared" about you, the individual. You are a cog in the machine. Now, on top of the usual suck that accompanied the military you now have all the social engineering on top of that. Most red blooded American males could tolerate the hardships and BS of normal military life but have no ambition to serve in this new age military much less die for some rich people to make more money on wall street.

[@Lonovavir]

Do we know the same veterans? Every one I know tells young people to avoid military service l.

[@xxxnasodinationxxx4400]

It is time to start enlisting politicians to fight wars. The military’s goal has never been to “defend the country”, it is to defend and protect the interests of politicians

[@absel_1206]

Thks to Genghis khan

[@rp4life770]

Or better yet, recruit the politicians kids to join an fight!!!

[@jadenpark7943]

some boys actually love to become special forces so there will always be a market for military recruiting

[@antonioreconquistador]

There was a proposed act around WW1 or WW2, forgot the name, that would enlist any politician who voted in favor of inserting gallons upon gallons of american blood into european affairs. Naturally, politicians, who get kickbacks from armaments, rations, chemical and fuel companies from the giant funding bills secured by their vote, voted against the act.

[@paulalsip3004]

@@jadenpark7943 only 10% of the entire military force engage in battle and special forces is even less at 2% of the military. Not that they don't play a HUGE role in armed combat. Trying to say, the biggest part of military recruiting (88%) is, computer engineers, nurses, culinary (cooks) and etc..

[@creppypastalover]

Not a vet, but I've worked and interacted with tons as a registered nurse in my hospital. Pretty much all of them have told me you're abandoned and forgotten about after service, it's nearly impossible to get their VA benefits, and they have lifelong repercussions of their service (be it mental or physical). Yeah, I can see why they have a shortfall. Our generation is lucky enough to have all this information available to us before deciding to enlist, and I'd rather not be wringed by the U.S government for all my worth only to get nothing in return.

[@warrenlewis3977]

These people are lying to you. VA health care is world class. The folks who whine about the VA are the dudes who can't get drugs or the dudes who served 6 months and now want 100 percent disability checks. That's the truth.

[@notmate]

Betrayed. Forgotten. Abandoned.

[@lorriewhalen2430]

My son is 22 years old and is a technical engineer in the army. He says it is toxic leadership and having to fight for your benefits. He is getting out next year and they already told him that he is getting a general discharge which means he won’t get his GI Bill. His commander right now is fighting for my son to get his benefits.

[@Mediocremakekout]

Damn

[@warrenlewis3977]

Why is he getting a General Discharge? That will explain everything.

[@pl8101]

​@@warrenlewis3977 One word for you. Teacher boy snitch back stabber a warren. Bye 👋👋 snitch.

[@lorriewhalen2430]

@@warrenlewis3977 he said when he went into his body metric measurement they said he was overweight. All his measurements were off. My son said they did not measure him correctly. His friend that is in the army with him said the same thing. After my son fought it, he got another measurement done a week and a half later. Everything was within parameters.

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@lorriewhalen2430 He's getting a General Discharge because of "body measurements"? Is that what you're saying?

[@amardave84]

Finally a generation that realizes that defending your family and country is completely different from sacrificing your life at the whim of the military industrial complex and the commander in chief in some foreign land.

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

Really? Explain that one. This GenZ looks like all it wants to do is have fun...I don't see where they believe in defending this country. I wonder why? Could it be their loyalties are to Mammon? Or, to other countries that their families fled from? Please give everyone a break from your so-called ideology.

[@SnickC13]

This is the most respectful and accurate post.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@shyguy9102]

Exactly 😊

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

@@rohitsawant5805 Because there are too few lesbians to produce enough Emma’s. Women should be added to the draft.

[@tmgclips5300]

Do recruiters not realize that the problem isn’t that they aren’t making enough tik toks but that no one wants to go fight a war to make other people richer

[@JackM-ci6rr]

They still believe there are people they can fool to fight for their stupid wars

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@mattbanco4406]

@@rohitsawant5805 exactly you don’t need me when you got them. 😂

[@Tragicide]

Call me racist but I don’t wanna take orders nor fight and die for a gay guy or trans who only cares about being parade pretty.

[@echohunter4199]

As a former Army Recruiter, the reason is a little complex but I promise to be brief. Recruiters use various demographic analysis tools that mainly come from the real estate industry are able to tell us what kind of people live in various zip codes. One main issue is the average IQ of a demographic and it’s been dropping steadily in the past 15 years as our southern border is wide open and we’re being flooded with illegal immigrants and their average IQ is 75 and the minimum IQ to join any branch of the US military is 83. The population that has a large amount of smarter people is the white race. Now I’m talking about a large number of people and not smaller minority ethnicities such as Asian which is slightly higher that Western European whites. White people have had plummeting birth rates for over 60 years due to liberalism convincing young people to not pursue motherhood. So throw in “fat acceptance” and an unbelievable amount of high school drop outs and the pool of potential recruits becomes tiny. GED’s may be fine for the dropout but it’s almost worthless for enlistment aside from a minuscule amount we allow to join at the end of the fiscal year but they must score high on the ASVAB test. We found that GED holders have a high dropout rate, they usually quit the Army within 72 hours of Basic Training and call their mommy that they’re coming back home. So far it’s around a 50% dropout rate so we always double slot the job training seats to account for the amount of quitters. A persons IQ comes from their parents which can either be good or bad. When I was recruiting in California near Oxnard, nearly every Hispanic person we tested completely bombed, they had less than a 5th grade reading level and these were high school graduates! Single mothers/fathers is also a disqualifier, there must be both parents or a signed court custody order for the person to join. Then throw in drug use, we test for all drugs and marijuana is the biggest problem, it may be legal in the State you live in but not for us, we just have to make sure it’s been a few weeks before joining the Army, all branches screen for drugs. And all this is before we look into a persons criminal and medical background, it’s just nuts as to how hard it is to find what we’re looking for.

[@BOATSNAPS]

Young people making 6 figures making Tik Toks it’s a short conversation.

[@SuperBayarea87]

Why fight for democracy abroad when democracy doesn't work at home

[@TheReaper-ep2cq]

its better than the alternative

[@meinkek7896]

​@@TheReaper-ep2cq no. I want the alternative.

[@rikoea6530]

The Army only pretends to care about you up until the point where you're counted as a number in their recruiting statistics. After that you're worthless to them. I joined in 2018 during a 6,000 troop shortage and I suffered from starvation at in-processing. I had to fight passing out every morning while others vomited water due to their empty stomachs. Recruits were not allowed to use the bathroom so they peed on themselves. A girl I knew had to stay behind because her knees got infected and they wouldn't let her get treatment. I was even called a liar by the drill sergeant when I did not have any towels in my bag so I had to beg the other recruits for their extras. Even the civilians were straight-up extremely rude and disrespectful. Every day it was made very clear to us that we weren't wanted or needed there. Then in basic I was sick with severe chronic bronchitis, weighed 96 lbs due to constant vomiting and coughing, and wasn't allowed to go to medical until blue phase. When I did all I got was simply cough medicine which did nothing for me. The only reason I was able to pass all my PT tests is because of the training I did before I joined. Pain and heart tolerance while running everyday prepared me more than anything else. After that you are sent to AIT, which is prison school. You can't go anywhere by yourself. Not even to turn a corner or go to the dumpster. Doing anything at all becomes 10X more difficult. I was screwed out of my machining certs when I was put in night classes, so that simply is another tell-tale sign that the Army doesn't care about MOS proficiency. Finally, you end up in your unit, and if you're lucky you'll get to do your job. Otherwise, you're stuck doing endless worthless details which is going to cause early burnout with nothing to show for it. Let's also not forget the complicated six-event ACFT, and the mandatory PT you are required to do with your unit every single morning. This PT is not efficient enough to prepare you for the ACFT test so you have to go to the gym after work and use up even more of your slim free time. Soldiers often get injured because they are not given enough time to rest. I thought I was going to be stuck with knee problems for the rest of my life due to an over-use injury (thank god for covid). The other branches don't have issues like the ones I just presented. Whenever they are stationed in places that have joint AIT they see us being treated terribly and become embarrassed for us. We really are a laughing stock to them and it's sad af. We go through way more abuse for way less benefit. The Army simply can't compete with the other branches in terms of quality of life and MOS training. My service was a complete waste of time and I got nothing out of it. That is why we have a 15,000 troop shortage. Toxic leadership destroyed the Army in addition to all the other issues I presented. Veterans are telling their kids not to join and I've done my own fair share of getting the word out. The greater the shortage the better because then it will force the Army to change. Edit: Some of the toxic individuals who have served for 20 years like to come on here and call me a liar and say that I'm exaggerating, but everything I said here is the truth. This is why you should always take their opinions with a grain of salt. We're talking about modern-day Army and this is just a small amount of the BS I had to go through. If you think 'wokeism' is the Army's biggest problem today you need a reality check.

[@Ghostintheshell3551]

Nailed it bro !

[@thehippo_]

Support you bro!

[@ianandersen265]

My brother is in the Army. He's getting sick of it too. Also, my brother told me how so many fellow Army guys are dealing with mental health issues, how he had to counsel others away from suicide and vice versa, plus there is a good opportunity for my brother to succeed as a parole officer after leaving and get some sweet benefits. The offers to stick around and go up the ranks just aren't good enough for him right now, and my brother is a mentally and physically no nonsense guy.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@kimarhironso437]

Utilize your post 9/11 gi bill to get a free degree from college in a profession that interest you. Even if you hated your time in the Army, if you did your years in you should at least have this afterwards.

[@prato6396]

Just got yelled at for 7 hours and forced to sit in a conference room till 7 PM because some old man told another old man he doesn't like our rooms, while neither of them live near us.

[@davidcapalot1816]

When was this?

[@MilePost106]

Old guys like myself who served after Vietnam during peace time the military was completely different to today. Back in the day it was worth it being so many people were patriotic and wanted to wear the uniform. I see today how much has changed over the years and we have a government that is so corrupt and members of Congress who hate America along with civilians. I look around and ask why would these young people want to give their life for this country. If I was young today I would say no way!

[@Worm_Void]

Exactly! there are so many people that I know who are willing to die for their country, to make it better! to improve it. but they won't join the military because they know that that's not what their goals are in mind.

[@elainenorvell3335]

Same here. AF from 70-74. Whole different ballgame back in the day.

[@meinkek7896]

Israel is your boss. Congress is israel puppet

[@TheManeuverProject]

The first thing the military needs to do is to fix their toxic leadership issues. That is what is lowering both the military retention and recruits. I'm not saying the all of the military is bad. There are units that have very bad leaders. Favoritism is a very big issue in the military because it is what lowers the unit morale. Toxic leadership is the number one reasons why people are leaving and people are not joining.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

It's the military. If you expect their leadership to be "non-toxic," then you're REALLY not going to like dealing with terrorists! Military culture is all TEN-HUT!!! and SIR YES SIR!!! and all that shit because it's traditional, it acknowledges the chain of command. They treat you like shit until they've beaten your ass into the state it needs to be in to be a professional terrorist-hunter, and if you don't like that you're welcome to look for a job as a Kindergarten teacher. Christ people, your role in the military is to KILL PEOPLE, that's your JOB! And people are bitching about "toxic leadership"?! Anyway, boredom, depression and low pay are the reasons people leave their jobs. Even in civilian life plenty of asshole bosses abound, don't think you'll see the day when you won't find them in the Armed Forces!

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@petboy5839]

Unfortunately power is a drug to some people. The military is no different.

[@kwaii_gamer]

The military always had toxic leadership. Its in their DNA . Its the treatment of veterans, and the constant deployments...how many veterans have Gulf War syndrome....how many were exposed to burn pits...how many years and how many hearings were need to get them any help.

[@Tragicide]

There are multiple stories of toxic leadership even at the low levels hazing people to the point of suicide. None of them are held accountable for it.

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

And who wants to fight for a country when it no longer feels like "your" country...we are treated as economic itinerants so people are responding as such.

[@rangoman1815]

Rampant wokeness and there's no challenge in the military in the US must be the reasons why

[@ateampossible]

7:15 even in the video he gets it wrong, who said for the army to be effective it needs to be representative of the population?! There are many industries and jobs that are not even remotely representative of the population. For the army to be effective fighting force it needs to put emphasis on meritocracy and not equity

[@mrprodigy7143]

@@rangoman1815 can’t be that won’t considering that conservative still make up the majority of people in the military

[@ZetaMoolah]

@@rangoman1815The military has always been more socially progressive than civilian society. They desegregated a full 20 odd years before the rest of the country. The military has been “woke” since before Afro-Americans coined the term several decades ago, long before corporate America hijacked the vernacular.

[@johnnyflores5954]

Define Woke?

[@JamesPark-we8tm]

3 things I hate in the military 11b -If you’re right ur wrong and if one sgt is against u, even if you’re right all sgt will be against u -bad pay -walk through mud/rain/forest at night/early mornings with no sleep

[@warrenlewis3977]

It's the infantry you dummy.

[@richgoza1956]

Maybe Gen-Z remembers what happened during Vietnam. I can't say I blame them.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

They werent born then not even millenials

[@thenexus8384]

​@@GAURAV25855ifyI'm pretty sure they're referring to the way the Vietnam Vets were treated after returning home,

[@articrecon]

I come from a long line of military. Grandpa was a WW2 infantryman who earned a Purple Heart at Normandy. Dad was a Green Beret in Vietnam. I was a cavalry officer in Iraq. I got severly wounded and earned a Purple Heart also. I have two young sons. I'm hoping to keep them from joining. We've sacrificed enough as a family and I've seen how the govt treats us once we return. They [officials] are worried about what books are in a HS library but OK brainwashing a kid ONE year later to go sacrifice their body ,without upholding those promises of carr in the case of ,f or reasons not entirely clear. The patriotic propaganda built out of WW2 reels that we are fighting for democracy worked then, it's a myth now.

[@freefree1219]

Thank you for your post. Respect the sacrifices of your earlier generations to real cause of war is to bring peace, and your awakening to the hideous motives of the US war machines of recent generations. The blood licking slogan of the presenter in this video says it all.. "we want to continue to be the strongest army in the world" so we want more people! A brainwashed kid by the US war machine, trying to raise wars everywhere in the world to prove their dominance.. this is the real cause of US wars around the world. Why do we want to keep this shit on?

[@mrconfusion87]

Best of luck going forward man! You might want to know who your neighborhood drug dealer is so if/when the Draft is reinstated and the recruiters come knocking, you can get them high to make them illegible for it (someone I personally know told me that is exactly what he'd do when that happens)!

[@EMan-cu5zo]

@@mrconfusion87good idea. Be a liability to them so they don’t want you.

[@Joshualibbyy]

Thank u for ur service

[@christophergreen4367]

Same here. My nephew got kicked out because of the vaccine. Our family is done. 1st I no longer trust the government . 2nd is war is no place for political correctness. 3rd is I now feel the government no longer likes the warrior class. Blackrock and other hedge funds can fight their own wars.

[@Roman-xg5qs]

I did my 6years and I tell everyone that it isn't worth it. Bad culture, low pay, you are reminded daily that you are expandable, and after you get health issues, drug addiction and PTSD

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

howd you get ptsd? did you kill anybody?

[@uptin]

Thank you for your service!

[@arthurpowers3724]

And on top of all those problems, your IQ score is so low that you are unable to spell "expendable" correctly, not "epandable." Seriously, did you just sleep-walk through middle and high-school? In today's military, no human should be accepted unless they have completed at least an AB degree from a valid collegiate institution with at least a 2.85 grade on a scale of one to four. No one was accepted to my high school without an IQ of 125 and some serious proficiency in a foreign language (not English, lol).

[@alfredogarciajr40]

@@juanshaftpatel7488that’s not a question you should ever ask. Many people get PTSD from other things than war.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

like what?@@alfredogarciajr40

[@andrewshaw7]

I once failed a barracks room inspection because of a spec of dust and had to do a re inspection in my dress whites, failed the re inspection because of a small crease in my pants and had a bad reputation of uncleanliness go up the chain of command. It was ridiculous, you would think I committed some heinous crime by the way I was being treated. it was almost like a form of hazing and disrespect. Toxic leadership is the problem

[@usernameredacted3627]

The issue isn’t just recruiting. Failing to retain the Service Members that are serving is a significant factor that needs to be addressed. A good friend of mine told me there BN CDR said every (1) Soldier they get. The unit loses (2-3), and while reasons for leaving vary person to person. My friend says one of the most common reasons for Service Members leaving in his unit is due to poor leadership. Additionally, the units have to work their Service Members harder due to the known personnel shortage across the military and I can see why people don't to stay in.

[@rikoea6530]

Unfortunately this is one of the biggest issues we have today. The fact that we have some military guys and veterans running around the comment section, calling people trash because they shared their story, is pretty much a good example of this. Good leaders care about their troops and want to see them succeed, but often their own narcissism gets in the way and it affects the entire team. I know when I left the Army, several soldiers followed behind, using marijuana to get out, or Behavioral Health, which on my base is a complete joke. Only a couple of them re-enlisted, and those were the people who drove everyone else out. Because of the years of toxic leadership, my unit was dissolved. I really hope that Gen Z will have stronger emotional intelligence, so that they can recognize the bad behavior from the toxic leaders and change force for the better, or at least not be toxic themselves. Until then, I'm just waiting for the next war that we will definitely lose because these toxic pos are running it.

[@goshawk4340]

Your better off working 40 hours at McDonald's and living with your parents after leaving highschool than going to the military.

[@oggsmash9989]

Correct, if you are in any way hard working and responsible you will be an assistant manager in a year. In the military.....good luck.

[@nicholasstadler9393]

You're*** lulz

[@warrenlewis3977]

​@@oggsmash9989How do you know?

[@warrenlewis3977]

Stop lying.

[@pl8101]

​@@warrenlewis3977 Only the government lies to me and you. No one is lying to you. Do not join the army 🪖. Peace 🕊️ out 🙏. Take care 🙏. Bye 👋👋

[@troyhung4307]

We've finally seen through the "Fighting for freedom" bullshits

[@Lonovavir]

Fighting for oil didn't poll as well.

[@fatboyRAY24]

Yeah they shouldn’t have lied. Should’ve just made it an outright war of conquest and I’m sure plenty of Americans would’ve got behind it.

[@Fred_the_1996]

Always defending your country halfway across the globe in some impoverished country

[@dge_05]

Word

[@officialthomasjames]

Eventually, it won’t be bullshit. However, for the most part, it has been bullshit. WWII was the last time freedom and the safety of the world was at stake. Everything since then has been inexcusable.

[@MrChowbaby69]

Genz aren't delusional morons like the other generations. First generation I've seen that didn't let Boomers bully them.

[@starly1974]

Not from the US but I'm GenZ and I'd do my best to avoid ending up in a military. With so many information available now we know what war is like. It's hell. You might lose your life, your friends or get injured to the point where you're somewhat crippled for the rest of your life while being forced to kill another people. That just seems so fucked up to me on so many levels and especially If the war is pointless.

[@jay-t1030]

I am a Gen Z male that never served but I hope the recruitment issue gets worst maybe then our Government will stop being the world police and focus more on issues here within our own borders.

[@HuwiteNFI]

I'm afraid not, unless the US loses its clout and/or countries (allies) grow some balls to say no to these ridiculous wars that Washington always plans in advance then the US will always have others to do their bidding.

[@MichaelOBrien71]

Totally agree 👍

[@user-pi4qd8ik5i]

Bro they will then force people

[@aetius7139]

They probably gonna use mercenaries, or PMC. A military contractors to fight in its war. If not straight just enacting conscription law......

[@devon5154]

At the same time, what happens over there affects over here.

[@TheDysartes]

The younger generation just don't wanna fight pointless wars that are caused to benefit the ruling elites.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

Thats true I guy is inaccurate the job market is fucked at this point coming out of COVID does this Idiot know how many lay-offs has happened so far in the country inflation and food and gas prices have gone up Under This administration

[@Some-Rage-Inducing-Provocateur]

Most woke take.

[@Some-Rage-Inducing-Provocateur]

@@ElegantLily I've been there and fought. My advice? Stop whining and man the f*ck up.

[@floridazoe2494]

“Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the "war to make the world safe for democracy." No one told them that dollars and cents were the real reason. No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going to cross might be torpedoed by submarines built with United State patents. They were just told it was to be a "glorious adventure" Smedley Butler --- War is Racket

[@hemihem]

As a white man I don't want to fight for a country that Imports 70 million Mexicans simple

[@maximumtrollmagic]

Everyone in every city in the US has seen homeless veterans drinking/doing drugs on the streets. And the government still has the gall to ask us why we don't want to join the military.

[@SkinnyFG]

They don’t need a better marketing budget; they need to pay their fcking troops a reasonable wage for putting their lives on the line

[@lilacghoste8366]

There is no reasonable wages. Militarism is unnatural and not part of nature. You don't see chimpanzee blowing their legs off for their leader chimpanzee or performing military parade.

[@Ezhil-dq8op]

Best generation ever, a generation who knows that fighting for the greed of some billionare is not worth their life

[@Leviathan762-zh4lq]

"The best generation" now your just stretching it

[@TakCWAL]

@@Leviathan762-zh4lq It is the best generation, the generation that is enjoying this carefree society built upon the blood and sweat of every generation before this one. Then they b!tch about it.

[@Leviathan762-zh4lq]

@@TakCWAL don't forget they're also the weakest and most annoying generation too

[@Weenisweiner]

@@TakCWALGen Z is one of the stupidest generations. Older generations have every right to complain about us.

[@bogus69]

@@Leviathan762-zh4lqyeah, it’s like they forgot the generation that literally defeated the nazis. They will forever be the best generation.

[@darkpranker]

“a rich man's war but a poor man's fight.”

[@jeremylewis5551]

The military eliminated its pension benefit and replaced it with a 401k program. This removed a major incentive to enlist and stay in for 20 years.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@evasalcedo9182]

You can still retire at 20 years. And the benefits of being a veteran are pretty unmatched. Personally I enjoy all the travel, free school and amazing experiences. But I had a very good asvab score which led me to a very good job. I don’t regret a single year served (going on 14).

[@jeremylewis5551]

@@evasalcedo9182 I agree that there's still benefits to becoming a veteran. For anyone joining for benefits go active for at least 3 years for 100% benefits. If you try national guard route first you can end up with 10 years, a combat deployment and with fewer benefits than your active duty friend with only 3 years in.

[@jeremylewis5551]

@@evasalcedo9182 yes, you can retire in 20 years but there is a major loss in terms of money between a 401k and a pension.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@evasalcedo9182 "And the benefits of being a veteran are pretty unmatched. " For a woman. For men one of the benefits includes chronic joint pain.

[@jonathanlovesadventure7838]

I also got denied because of having ADHD. I graduated from college and could not get a medical record of when a doctor took me off my meds because I went off the ADHD meds on my own. That was a red flag for qualification.

[@Anon83462]

Same here

[@BL4CK-L1ST]

As a 24 year old that has spent a better portion of their young adult life in college just aimlessly switching concentrations about 5-6 times due to getting into college without a set purpose and recently decided to not finish college, I’ve just now started to consider entering the Air Force due to it possibly being a way for me to hopefully find something that I can do with my life. But, watching videos like these make me somewhat question if I should enter or not and just put me in a deeper hole lacking of purpose or clear objective as to what to do in life.

[@unc1221]

Better to be lost with your freedom then surrounded by suffering and scu1$1de with incompetent leaders. Try getting a trade or blue collar job.

[@randyAT4]

Don’t. I am 13 years in the Air Force and I’m about to, ETS, get out in one month. When my two children are of age I will influence them to not join. Leadership is complete garbage.

[@squishygaming3325]

Military service is weird. They’ll pay for your college and you can either have an amazing chain of command that helps facilitate all the growth you could ever want or you could end up with the worst people you’ve ever met in your life like a video game. The Air Force or space force would be the better branches to join unless you wanna be a Coastie. Military service has an inherent suck factor associated with it, but you can also have a lot of growth opportunities because of it. Don’t try and join the Army, Marines or Navy if your first thought was Air Force. They have significantly worse suck factors than the Air Force, Space Force and Coast Guard. Coast Guard is also surprisingly physically demanding so unless you’re confident in your physical abilities go Air Force or Space Force.

[@randyAT4]

@@squishygaming3325 I’m talking about the pentagon not direct chain of command.

[@xINTENSORx]

People don't want to be slaves to the military industrial complex. people are more informed and know what really is going on. This is good news.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

People have gotten more educated

[@Euro316]

I am a Marine who got out last year. I have always thought that they should force military-age politicians to serve as platoon/company commanders when deciding to declare war. I think they would feel a certain way after making that declaration. The military is also a part of the problem. Many of us don't see the problem while we are in and don't understand how we are being manipulated.

[@WulfieZi]

I am a Soldier who got out this year, and I agree. I only saw that I was being manipulated and taken advantage of in year 5 of my 6 year contract. I did not want to be Biden's personal militia anymore.

[@petemorton8403]

This would result in much less AOC's. Dragging a wounded from fire after hit would be death for him, not her.

[@jadapinkett1656]

They don't declare war anymore.

[@MCL198027]

No! E1 and no early promotion waivers. And the shittiest MOS's as well

[@Euro316]

That wouldn't really be realistic or beneficial. Being a new Officer is a lot more stressful than being a new E1. When I was an E1 I just cleaned a lot, knew to stfu, and got hazed a little. But if you make them commissioned and serve as officers, the stress and consequences to decisions starts at Day 1. The point isn't to punish politicians. Not all are bad. It's to create some sense of quality control and experience. As well as some ownership to the decisions they try to institute on others. @@MCL198027

[@Raist474]

Gen Z generally does a good job of doing their homework before committing to something big. I've been approached by numerous Gen Z's asking about my time in the military and what jobs in the military really do. I've prevented a lot from getting shafted, but I've also helped some make the decision to join after I've dispelled the stigmas and myths about specific jobs. It is a lot easier to clear up rumors and stories if you sit them down in front of people who actually do said job.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

GEN Z ARE A BUNCH OF TIK TOCKERS

[@thispersonrighthere9024]

​@@GAURAV25855ifyGen Z is living in a fucked up version of america, so i don't blame them for not giving a damn!

[@lunariousmoon]

Gen z is really good in finding out what they wanna know

[@JuanRamirez-xw3gc]

Cost of living is too high to even have to consider joining if in the end the skills you gain from the military won’t help you get a job that pays well to live comfortably. Like will your skills be relevant in the end? Most likely not. Best to use them 4 years to learn a valuable skill. 🤷‍♂️

[@alphacause]

This problem is made worse by the fact that, of the GenZ cohort who want to join the military, many of them don't meet the physical requirements to be eligible. This is the result of our population becoming increasingly obese and sedentary with each generation.

[@zee9709]

and the fit one become influencer and onlyfans😂

[@alphacause]

@@zee9709 LOL! Yes. It seems like, in this day and age, that the only reason people become fit is to exhibit abs on some social media platform.

[@siamean1]

You don't need 6pack abs to fly drones and unleash hell on an islamic daycare center.. Cheesy dorito fingers will do just fine.

[@patricknevermind8529]

The government knows the majority of "food" people eat is bad for them but all the doctors and drug makers are making so much money. Who would've thought that allowing your citizens to be poisoned would make recruiting more difficult. U heard the man "they are lowering the standards" I can't imagine how that could go wrong.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@patricknevermind8529 There’s gonna be a civil war between Big Food and Big Pharma VS. The Military-Industrial Complex.

[@inmyopinion_3672]

It's not a military problem. It's a "who's in charge" problem.

[@mattbanco4406]

Couldn’t have said it better I dreamed all my life for serving in the military but I just can’t bring myself to do it now mind you I’m 19 years old. The reason I can’t do it is because of the current leader ship and the political atmosphere the military has been involved in the last few decades. They say you’re there to protect the Constitution and the people but how are we protecting America by invading Third World countries that can’t even attack us like Iraq. It’s not the same as it was 50 years ago you’re not protecting anybody anymore and that’s just the truth of it. I even talk to people who served and they tell me how much they regret it because it’s not what they thought it would be

[@JacobSBierman]

@@mattbanco4406exactly, as someone who is coming on the end of their contract, I will harp against anything military. Instead, go do community service. It’s more rewarding and actually makes a difference.

[@user-ww5qw8jd3b]

Don't forget soldiers who were fired for refusing to take covid jab

[@palmtreesmusic1945]

Yep. That too is a major obstacle for myself. Forcing vaccines? No way.

[@neptunedirect129]

Nobody wants to be stripped of their human rights to fight and defend billionaire cooperations and politicians who don’t care about people. I served seven years and regretted every moment of it. Permanently damaged my body and my psych just to get out with zero experience.

[@Lucas66393]

nobody wants to die because some old politicians that are fighting for power. Die for your country is a waste of your life and probably the soldiers that are fighting in Ukraine think the same from both sides

[@conductingintomfoolery9163]

We have a recruiting crisis? Send kids of politicians kids of, heads of industry, kids of billionaires, deca millionaires, foreign investors, strong wamon, brave trans folks, and everyone who votes for the current president. I think young American healthy men have fought way more then others ☺️

[@jay-t1030]

Amen to that.

[@Lonovavir]

It ain't me addressed this back in Vietnam. Even during the Civil War the phrase rich man's war, poor man's fight was common.

[@Zamu273]

​@@Lonovavir The difference between then and now is that back then people saw war as honourable and protecting the country As someone from gen z, the military is nothing more than a bunch of people running around killing other people because a rich guy told them to.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@toshiojohnston3732]

Don't forget all those migrants who love america.

[@squidee]

Almost as if gen z doesn't condone violence in the name of patriotism

[@cbfbmc]

What's going to happen is Congress is going to pass a law once you turn 18 it will be mandatory to serve your country.

[@asdfgh6210]

pretty sure there's mandatory military for men in south korea

[@Player21398]

Yeah they do, Jin and Jhope from BTS are currently doing mandatory service.

[@uptin]

It is true! This is the whole reason BTS members have to undergo mandatory training 🫶

[@edmfestivals6066]

Yeah for real this guy needs to do his research

[@raihanrusli2720]

There are also like north korea, taiwan, etc. Most countries with mandatory military service realize that they have potential invaders near them, the same goes with the people. Not like US, in which a lot of time are the invaders and/or sending help to abroad allies. I mean the US pretty much lost vietnam war because politics and loss of trust from its people and had to pull out, not because manpower or any kind of military equipment problem. I guess this is where US stop mandatory military service. Oh yeah hippies also came from this era

[@Varuga]

@@uptin what.....? then why did you make the video like this? Are you a bot? This is such a weird response to what he said.

[@chingghishan5707]

“Reducing its training standards” “Reducing its standards” All seems like a higher likelihood to die in battle.

[@gorillamasterofgaming5525]

it’s literally only so females can join in the military i bet lol. im sure people would love to protected by woman capable of being choke holded by a man easily.

[@picklikeapro6952]

95% of kids first impression of the military who’s parents aren’t in the military are veterans on the side of the road having to beg for money after being abandoned by the government they served and in a lot of cases lost limbs for.

[@Misaka-gt5yj]

I assure you, GoArmy's ads these days do not make me want to apply for the "US" Army, it makes me want to apply to any other nation instead.

[@shanejones8192]

As a Army Vet that served in the 82nd airborne division 504 infantry brigade 30 years ago the largest reason for the shortfall I believe is that conservative rural and small town white straight men are increasingly refusing to join. This demographic has always been the backbone in numbers of recruits for the military. They don't feel like their service is appreciated or wanted anymore. If a war breaks out who do you think is going to be put on the front line meat grinder, the lesbian woman, trans woman filing they/thems nails, or the white country boy from Kentucky, they all receive the same pay and benefits but they are not treated the same. Black Americans have never really trusted the military so their numbers have always been low, so I wonder who is going to be left to service in this new sensitive caring Rainbow military. I told my son not to enlist, and I would never want my daughters to enlist even if they wanted to.

[@Global.direction]

Thanks for your Service, Sir

[@bigpapa2195]

I agree i cant think of a reason young white men should join the military and defend a country that hates and denigrates them

[@HS-ig4ly]

thankfully US propaganga is pretty strong so there will always be enough brainwashed, room IQ Kentucky boys to soak up the bullets for our oil!

[@lifesabeach5405]

Yeah, this dum azz said women and minority are the strength of the military. He never served and doesn't know that most women and blacks are in supply, administration, and quartermaster branches.

[@BETAsin]

More people see the hypocrisy of US imperialism. Why die in the sand for the table scraps of Lockheed and Raytheon?

[@apache318]

The military has also been picky about who they recruit. My wife and I pushed my son to serve who has a bachelor's degree, he was flagged for high blood pressure. but later passed, but he was talked out by relatives. A colleague's son was flagged for acne. They make it difficult for people to just give up.

[@GrzegorzDurda]

Are they white?

[@thispersonrighthere9024]

f**k you for pushing your son to serve.

[@christopherbearerofchrist9775]

DONT JOIN THE MILITARY EVEN IF THEY TRY TO DRAFT YOU AVOID THEM ANYWAY YOU CAN

[@adamfaine7789]

Joined because I wanted to protect others and advance my career at the same time. I don't regret trying to help others, but I was treated like shit for the 6 years I was in. Couldn't even work in the rate I selected which required an extra 2 years on my contract.

[@uptin]

Thank you for your service! Definitely deserved better

[@standforhumanitariancauses4756]

The only thing you would protect in the military, is the interest of giant corporations, oil companies, defense contractors, and weapon industries. Most of these wars were illegal and offensive. It has caused sufferings, and misery . Millions of have lost their lives, their homes, injured, based on lies. As time goes on, the new generation will not accept old lies and myths that were once accepted by the older generation, such as troops are fighting in Iraq to protect our freedom and democracy. Nothing could be more further than truth.

[@MojoRevelation]

I'm a sergeant in the Army Reserve. Don't join! They're not even paying me properly. Kinda pitiful that the best, most well-funded army in the world can't even pay the soldiers that are already in.

[@joebeta1837]

Sorry that you're not being paid what you expect. That's what pisses me off. You make sacrifices and guess who gets paid the millions and billions of dollars? No, not the civilians who make the hammers and toilets for the military? The CEOs and board of directors. Granted a person who makes toilets should not be paid $100,000, but those leaders shouldn't be paid millions either. I'd say get out of the military, go to college and become a nurse. We're getting paid good money. And you can become a traveler nurse and get paid really good money! You are already a disciplined person. You're an organized person. If you're pretty smart, get your pre-nursing courses done with straight As and get accepted in to nursing school. Get three years of nursing experience, then you can become a traveler nurse.

[@eddiebouchez9615]

Korea (at least in 2010 when i was stationed there) has a mandatory service of two years. after that, if you stay voluntarily, you got a promotion, pay increase, and such. I may be wrong though. Times change.

[@MegaBrid]

There is also the quality of life and respect aspects. Higher ranking individuals easily often disrepect lower ranking and younger individuals and disregard their concerns. No one is gonna want to join, knowing that they're not gonna be taken seriously. I got out of the navy for that reason.

[@kennethbowers2897]

Why go overseas to kill a bunch of people I didn't start a fight with? Hard to convince someone to go over to fight and maybe die on foreign soil for some murky sense of the greater good.

[@robertrocha597]

After almost 50 years of misusing them and abusing them is the reason. It is a sign of intelligence to learn from other's mistakes.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

yeah its a better choice to to to college and get a job for a corporation so you can buy starbucks and maybe afford health insurance

[@robertrocha597]

@@juanshaftpatel7488 calm down bot.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

how much do you owe your masters?@@robertrocha597

[@StrongLikeBullTV]

Spot on, I served in Iraq and Afghanistan with the 82nd ABN. I would never want my son to experience the ongoing stress and pain of things that happened that I dealt with 10- 20 years ago

[@louisadams5713]

The thing too is retention is pretty bad as well. I got out mainly dude to low pay, how awful the barracks are, and all the extra bs you have to deal with.

[@thecsucihai]

Why GenZ won't join the Military. Wow, this generation is smarter than I give them credit for.

[@officialthomasjames]

It’s not due to smarts, nor moral superiority. It mostly comes down to laziness, self-centeredness, and their constant pursuit of self pleasure. Not saying that they should be joining the military, just pointing out that their reasons for not joining are not what they claim. We will lose this country once gen z is in charge considering the fact that they are in full support of degeneracy in every aspect of life. America is doomed.

[@nicoleackerman205]

It the only thing they are smart about

[@GoneNForgotten]

@@nicoleackerman205hush old woman, the golden days of your youth weren’t as good as you remember

[@donguess4332]

@@nicoleackerman205 Actually they aren't even smart about that. They just know they could never make it through basic training. Not all but the vast majority are a bunch of spoiled entitled crybabies that are constantly crying and whining about how unfair everything is in life. Constantly wallowing in victimhood. Can you imagine them getting yelled at by a drill instructor? Lol 😆

[@Khemtime]

I always wanted to join the military but I put it off for years. I joined the Air Force two years ago at 27. Don’t join. I was in basic two weeks from graduation when the Afghanistan withdrawal happened. Absolutely disgraceful. I’ve also seen plenty of people get accused of sexism, racism, homophobia and all that other stuff and basically no way of defending themselves because the military is bias in one way. Hard to form an effective team when you can’t trust other people to not stab you in the back. I’m glad I gave it a shot but I’m getting out as soon as I can.

[@michaelvickers4437]

Or maybe the kind of people who join, or who remain in, are just racist, sexist or homophobic?

[@alfredogarciajr40]

The Air Force isn’t a branch it’s a corporation with jets lol

[@hectorsanchez1377]

Shit load of racism still exists.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@alfredogarciajr40 Locksneed Martin

[@Tragicide]

Gay people weren’t supposed to be in the military in the first place. Neither were women (no offense ladies) but now look what happened. It’s the same reason gays shouldn’t have been allowed in the boyscouts.

[@thanasis-_-]

It's because people understood that the purpose the US military is to do imperialism or to destabilise countries for political or economic reasons.

[@knocs531]

Yes as a veteran/ father after I went above and beyond for the army and when I was injured they threw me out like trash and had offered me surgeries but decided to Med board me. One of my mentally breaking points besides my injuries that made it impossible to do my job was my soldiers ( I was their medic) commit suicide right under my nose. I couldn’t keep up with all my men’s mental health do to them taking away my medics and only 2 of us running a company. I would not recommend my kids to go even though my boys are obsessed with it even after what they say me go through and my current problems.

[@emmafrost7151]

@@anthonyvera8524 You’re not a real veteran. Even if you were you probably just loaded around in the base or peeled potatoes all day (though you lack the competence to even do that, by the nature of your smooth brain replies).

[@coconuthead1361]

I'm active duty, and everything he says here is pretty accurate. There are very few reasons to join right now, and I don't really recommend it to anyone.

[@User-jr7vf]

What if you join to become a comissioned officer? Is it much better than being an NCO? Sorry, I'm from Brazil and I know little about your system. In Brazil it is tough for the NCOs, but the officers usually have a much easier life.

[@coconuthead1361]

@@User-jr7vf that's true here in the US as well, officers have much nicer pay and living quarters than enlisted. However, they serve much longer contracts, I only recommend going officer if you plan on making a career out of the military.

[@User-jr7vf]

@@coconuthead1361I see;; Thank you for your reply

[@mvend10]

Just cause you are having a shitty experience does not mean everyone else will. Remember that

[@Bluecollarjoe6B9]

I though Emma and her Two moms had things dialled in.

[@ultravioletiris6241]

I love how no one mentions how terrible the pay is, especially for those with technical expertise

[@naitthegr8131]

And how everybody across all branches get paid for the same rank regardless of what their job is. Someone who has a job in IT for example, makes no more money than someone in the Army or Marines who is infantry at the same rank and does nothing but mow lawns and scrub toilets all day.

[@ultravioletiris6241]

@@naitthegr8131 pretty much. Another thing no one talks about is that infantry have been obsolete for a few wars now. Even tanks are obsolete

[@Iamknwownastrouble]

My husband(26M) is in the military already told me he plans on telling our boys when their older to not join the military

[@RicardoFinnigan]

People watched a generation of veterans get destroyed and treated horribly while fighting for their General’s Raytheon Board seat

[@mvend10]

Referring to Vietnam? Those days are 1000x different than today. A lot of afghan vets get respect. This new generation is lazy that would rather stock shelves at Walmart

[@johnsmith6974]

​@mvend10 Well let me but it this way. *The USS Liberty* That is all

[@ricardorivera6543]

@@mvend10 I’d disagree. The country’s split in half. No longer the “victorious WW2 champs” we once were. Wars in the last half century have been mostly misses. It ain’t even about respecting the vets. It’s about our recent track record. Iraq, Afghanistan. Horrendous.

[@mvend10]

@@ricardorivera6543 there’s not going to be an armed conflict that we’re directly involved in for a while. We are not ready for another war.

[@LP1990s]

​@@mvend10You are a killer who thinks it is more virtuous to murder than to sell goods at the market. I pray for you. Soldier.

[@lonelylovely1176]

Genz is clever enough not to die for richs

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

yeah its better for them to just be the riches indentured servants

[@GAURAV25855ify]

Yeah but they like to loot riot burn businesses take down statues then and make tik tock videos and then bitch about it

[@IMdeadnotfound]

i wanted to join the military a few years ago but i changed my mind after ive seen how much no one values men untill there are hard times

[@thatoneguy9756]

I'll join if they give me a house, a new car of my choice, and 100,000 dollars in my savings.

[@RipMinner]

It is a Government of the Corporations. And more and more people are finally figuring that out. Once the people noticed this the only real question is why would they fight for it?

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

“Sir, maybe we should focus on morale so the soldier don’t want to deep throat a 12 gauge? Maybe THEN we could attract applicants?” “No, Johnson, we need to make TikToks.”

[@Overcooked_chicken8765]

I will never join the military and will never fight for a country I never wanted to be in.

[@palmtreesmusic1945]

Be armed!

[@DrPorkchop-wt1wc]

Also, when you have a 33% favorability President in charge, fewer will be willing to be under their command

[@taiven.lechevalier]

Fought in Afghanistan in ‘09 with the paratroopers. Telling all of my nephews that if they have any other options whatsoever, to stay out.

[@warrenlewis3977]

Stay out because of what?

[@AceChina]

Why fight for a country and elite that hate you?

[@Civil-conversation-is-possible]

Exactly.

[@t-wolf8502]

As a front end Zoomer that has had a few recruiters bark up my tree. I have some answers to this question. One yeah my dad told me not to enlist based on his experiences with the armed forces and what it did to his now dead brother. Two: a lot of homeless people have signs claiming to be vets. Now maybe not all of them are true but it is a haunting warning. Three and what I believe to be the biggest issue. School curriculum is undeniably left leaning. Destructively left leaning. We taught to hate and be ashamed of America and what it is today. Especially in the densely populated blue cities. I live in Kirkland Washington, spitting distance from Seattle. During civics class in my senior year. We had a class discussion about justice in America. One girl asked if anyone actually thought America was a just country. At first I held my tongue at of fear of how they would react to me saying yes. But out of sheer disgust of that fear I spoke up and said I did. The girl who asked that question had a look of shock disgust and anger that I would say such a thing. The entire class shared a similar stance, and what was a discussion had become a debate between me and the entire class. This is real. This happening. Gen Z and the generations to follow are being taught to hate and shame America. So why would we risk our lives for it?

[@SteezySteez2011]

They're too inflexible. When I was 18, they wanted you to take whatever job they peddled you, even though I scored in the 90's on the ASVAB. The only flexibility I've heard was talking to the nurse corps recruiter. Throw a guaranteed duty station in there, let people actually pick what they'll be doing, and they can fix a lot of this.

[@henrymosquera8646]

Hitch me up Gunny!!! Arrrrmmmmmyyy training,Sir!!!

[@jumpinjehoshaphat1951]

The all volunteer military has always had recruiting problems in normal times when unemployment was especially low.

[@natemendsen1629]

All time low, and of course it has nothing to do with all the glory we covered ourselves in over the last 30 years in places we mostly did not need to be in nearly as long.

[@cgmason7568]

Except the economy is in the toilet and people still aren't joining

[@Jareers-ef8hp]

Thats not true, the U.S military was still extremely small during the great depression in the 30s. They had only like 180,000 active duty soldiers back then.

[@lilacghoste8366]

​@@Jareers-ef8hpbut lesser population back than also

[@m4a1snerfed]

one thing that surprised me when i looked was how low the wages were. even with no rent and cheap food, e-4 is the only wage worth anything.

[@alphaironheart]

More pay would be better than the bonus honestly, I make less than 2k a month and the price of things continue to rise. After doing the paperwork to get my bonus, nothing has come through and its been almost a month.

[@Heartadia]

Why fight to help further enrich the corrupt in the nation?

[@allow73839]

Short answer: It's not worth it anymore and there are far better opportunities and ways people wish to live their lives and who can blame them.

[@honeybadger6313]

I have a respect for gen Z not swallowing the patriotic bs that lead to two futile wars.

[@ericayala7387]

Patriotism is what keeps people together and makes u appreciative of where you're from and who you ans your neighbors truly are. It's why the Olympics and world cup are so popular

[@officialthomasjames]

Gen Z can claim to be not going in for those reasons but most aren’t going in because they are entirely self centered. I’m not saying anyone should join the military, but gen z’s reasons for not joining are hardly related to their “superior” morality. They believe in teaching children about gender theory and getting an abortion every time they have premarital sex. It’s the generation of not taking responsibility. We will quickly lose this country considering how weak this generation is. America will turn into Sodom and Gomorrah at this rate.

[@starfox5352]

​@@ericayala7387im from earth. Not imaginary borders

[@ericayala7387]

@starfox5352 I feel u but even if we didn't have countries, we would still live slightly different lives cuz of how big and different the landscape is on earth

[@starfox5352]

@@ericayala7387 i know

[@osveliquinones8164]

I like on how you stated that we should be involved in charity and being more aware of politics if we want to cooperate with the gov. Thats also a good way to avoid paying a lot of taxes. Donating and trying to be involved here in the United States.

[@michaelbankston7430]

My dad was in the navy for a quarter of a century. My family and I had to move every few years. In addition, Dad was often away from home - sometimes for months. That's why I never joined the military.

[@davidsmyth6822]

Just retired from the active duty Air Force. I wouldn’t recommend staying 20 anymore, but I would still recommend doing a four year stint, getting the GI Bill and veteran status. Possibly learning a trade, and maybe get some college done.

[@mal5206]

My grand father did not receive his GI bill benefits. Racism.

[@yaxleader]

I'm currently separating from the Space Force and I agree. But that four to five year stint is really only valuable if you learn skills and gain experience in valuable professions. The Air Force, Navy, and Space Force are the best places to get said skills.

[@danielkantor5693]

@@yaxleader GI bill isn't worth it anymore. Kids out of highschool can work part time at Walmart, Publix McDonalds etc. and they offer tuition reimbursement for college/trades.

[@Orbility]

Being in the military is just like any other job. You have to decide your priorities, what you're willing to put up with, and if the job gives you fulfillment.

[@christianjadot4459]

Except you can't "quit" the military on a whim without major legal repercussions.

[@Orbility]

@@christianjadot4459 You can't quit your contract, but there are ways to work different jobs and mix things up provided that you put in the work.

[@vsstdtbs3705]

@@christianjadot4459 most voters are women, so laws are bias towards them, such as child custody, employment and healthcare. why fight for that? If women want to defend their bias laws, put them on the frontline.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

@@christianjadot4459isnt the military contract based

[@taiwandxt6493]

@@vsstdtbs3705 What? Do you seriously look at everything THIS superficially?

[@Joe.D.780]

in an age of youtube and tiktok the military ain't foolin nobody about the experience lol back in the day if you could get them to basic they had you trapped.If they want to fix the recruiting problem they need to fix the military at the institutional level. It's not going to matter how good your advertising is if the vast majority of people getting out are disgruntled from a markedly poor experience, because veterans have always been your loudest advertisers.

[@aboucard93]

You forgot about the number one reason why the U.S. military didn't get enough recruits. 75 percent of people who want to join can't pass the physical or mental health requirements to join the military.

[@rollentheelf]

Ok genuine question, why does it matter if the military isn’t diverse?

[@warrenlewis3977]

It wasn't diverse up until 1948 when it desegregated.

[@rollentheelf]

@@warrenlewis3977 that doesn’t really answer the question? Does it really matter if the military isn’t diverse?

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@rollentheelf yes it does. So only one group of people have to deploy? Is that what you want? So only white guys from Ohio have to enlist, everybody else can chill at home...

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@rollentheelf What problem do you have with multiracial school, military, associations, neighbors, etc. Are you one of these incel, weak white supremacists? Only they talk like you.