Why GenZ won't join the Military

[@angryfurbie]

Hard to compel people to join the military when we see how veterans are treated.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

vets are treated great.. free healthcare, disability payments, free college, zero money down home loan...

[@angryfurbie]

@@juanshaftpatel7488 ptsd, suicide ideation, difficulty assimilating into civilian life, propensity to section 8 you from firearm ownership if you were sad once.

[@The-Shadow-Realm]

It’s overblown and a highly case by case basis. The only fellow Veterans I’ve seen have these issues by in large were in that situation by their own making. More often than not, other Veterans I’ve seen have a rough time after service were in such a predicament because they didn’t study their VA benefits and procedures before they separated from service, waited years or decades to file claims (and didn’t research how to properly file claims), they didn’t reach out to any Veteran Service Organizations, and/or they didn’t simply plan for what they wanted to do in some form or fashion after service. Also - big deal if you can’t own a firearm. Seriously, not owning a firearm is really not a problem.

[@angryfurbie]

@@The-Shadow-Realm Sounds like you have an opinion that many people disagree with, and it's a great thing you have a consitutional right to voice that opinion with said constitution being generally protected by firearms. Many people don't share your enthusiasm about being barred from a right they signed their lives away to protect.

[@The-Shadow-Realm]

@@angryfurbie sounds like you’re insecure as hell with your “DURRRRRRR - MUH GUNS! GIVE ME MUH GUNS! DURRRRR ME TOUGH BECAUSE I HAVE GUN!” Like whatever man - keep living your fantasy. Are you so insecure that if you can’t own a firearm because you have a diagnosed mental health issue you feel like you can’t function, or did you just hit your head so hard that you’re just that stupid? Really and truly, think about this: if you have a mental health problem, you shouldn’t have a firearm.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

It's almost as if people aren't willing to risk their lives for a country that literally hates them

[@mrconfusion87]

And that intervenes abroad for any and every reason EXCEPT their publicly officially stated reason - "To defend democracy, freedom, and human rights!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@cameroncole06]

Agreed!

[@blacklyfe5543]

Yup

[@u2-tv899]

📑 🧐 Hmmmm Oooh lord🤦‍♂️!.... 🇺🇸military spent $4billion on marketing promoting agenda for “THE ALPHABETICAL MAFIAS” ESG that has been propagated by big corporations: BLACKROCK, BLACKSTONE, J.P. MORGAN, etc… As a vet myself, (low casualty) Leadership doesn’t care about about you. Only care about the mission to boost their political agenda, career, pocket…

[@dudedude6690]

No one should serve a country even if they show they that they love you

[@wesleyhoward5599]

Someone once asked me what it was like being in the military. I said, "Think about your high school bully. Now, imagine he's your boss and you live with him."

[@Starcrunch913]

Agree.

[@atlashums]

This is perfect! Well said.

[@mehnah5033]

Ouch 😬

[@mosessalazar5484]

👍

[@nuclearwaste2062]

As a veteran myself, this 100%. Its down to a failure of leadership and bullies running rampant. And unlike in the civilian world you cant just quit the military. Once you're in, you're in. There is no getting out of your contract. And if you are a woman in the military its 1000% worse. I've had female sergeants and LTs go through some horrible shit that wouldn't fly in the civilian world.

[@apostolos8734]

My dad is a desert storm veteran and has always told me he doesn’t want any of his children to join the military, he barely sleeps and has to jump through hoops to get his VA benefits. Me and my siblings saw how America treats its vets and want no part of it.

[@patrickthurs5342]

Also a desert storm vet with sleeping problems and PTSD. The VA is a long process and you dont get everything you put in for. Still would not change a thing. Loved my service.

[@rein3684]

OIF vet that barely sleeps here. Took me about 11 years to get my benefits

[@patrickodonnell9388]

I to am a desert storm veteran and I'm still struggling with getting the benefits I am do. I'm still struggling with PTSD but I don't have a record to show I'm suffering from PTSD because I have kept it to myself but anyone who has served is suffering from PTSD.

[@rein3684]

@@patrickodonnell9388 you can still file a claim for PTSD. I didn’t have any record either but had to get an examination. It was free from the VA.

[@patrickodonnell9388]

@rein3684 I'm in the process now and I did a exam already still waiting for a reply from VA it's been 8 months now.

[@GeneralJingus333]

My best friend went into the military and came within 2 years stricken with brain damage. VA barely helped, up until we lost him through suicide about 6 years ago. Look out for you and the people in your community locally. The trouble is really in our backyard

[@owencarroll9878]

im really sorry to hear that bro

[@jdog4usmc1]

Sorry to hear that bro

[@JohnBulgaria]

Sorry to hear that bro

[@mrconfusion87]

Ouch bro! Sorry to hear...

[@ambo9569]

That’s so messed up. Your friend deserved so much better.

[@Red-Check-Mark]

Why should young people risk having their lives cut short for the sake of politicians?

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

A lot of these people live quite a while as disabled veterans. In fact murders domestically outnumber combat deaths in the U.S. Military and have for some time.

[@EDPRETURNS445]

Because they need to serve their country!!!!

[@DigitalYojimbo]

one thing I actually respect about the Gen Z. let the politicians fight their own wars.

[@The_Love_Doctor_Sean]

then ask for money, jobs and free housing. I do not respect them at all, you have to earn it. it does not come from refusing to do for others and complain about the state of the world or nation

[@anthonypan205]

@@The_Love_Doctor_Sean Do grunts get any of the oil wells in Iraq? or is it Dick Cheney's buddies who got no bid contracts speaking of free stuff, why do oil corporations get free/subsidized sea patrol courtesy of the US military? Did they earn that?

[@infini.tesimo]

​@@The_Love_Doctor_Seanthe level of ignorance on how things actually work from your statement is astounding. You do realize that since 1933 the United States Incorporated has introduced socialism and communism under the guise of welfare creating dependency more and more on the government as time went on with expanding the benefits of this because they decided to take all the gold and silver away from the people and left them with only their signatures to authorize every purchase under the full faith and credit of the United States, which means there is no money out here you fucking tool. What the military is getting is what the section 8 gets minus not dying for violent mergers and acquisitions of other country governments which are classified as companies so that they can expand their ventures of making up fights that literally no one cares about but it's the banks job to make up excuses for expanding business through the CIA who decides where we should mettle next and create proxy wars and even mainstream wars.

[@MelvinJ64]

IF no one fights the wars, you'll become a Chinese Satellite state in no time.

[@anthonypan205]

@@MelvinJ64 sure, send the rich to the frontlines first

[@OutWest-BibleStudy]

The military suffered 3 big losses in a very short time. The withdrawal from Afghanistan. The COVID debacle and the poor treatment of soldiers related to that. As well as the overt politicization from the general officers. This generated a ton of resentment in the ranks towards the higher ups. I always tell people the worst loss the military can suffer is a disgruntled veteran. And the last few years have created a TON of disgruntled vets and soldiers.

[@kanthanesankandiah760]

Dont forget neo marxist Lgbt numbskull and feminist numbskull

[@BY-fd7bi]

Boom.

[@kevinsiu4956]

You need to get diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, mumps and rubella, and polio vaccines before you are even allowed to attend US public schools. The US military already requires a bunch of vaccinations for all enlistees. Aside from anti vaxxers (of everything), the overwhelming majority bitching about it were morons doing so for political reasons (because it was the main reason why Trump lost reelection).

[@m.c.martin]

3 major hits but not losses*

[@anthonyvera8524]

You mean the military has suffered three big losses under this disgusting president. Got it.

[@BOATSNAPS]

Young people making 6 figures making Tik Toks it’s a short conversation.

[@cruzgomes5660]

Not everyone will become an influencer

[@GreedoGangrene]

I've talked to vets as well, they tell me the same thing: don't join. Basically citing that they don't care about you.

[@uptin]

Wow really?

[@GreedoGangrene]

@@uptin A part of my job is to check IDs, so when people with military IDs show me theirs, I will thank them for their service and ask if I should enlist. Both men and even women veterans have said to me on numerous occasions that it is not worth doing. These are people in their 50's, 60's and even 70's.

[@far_centrist]

​​​@Kamil15158 people that asked the question are those with common sense and a healthy degree of skepticism to the cause. People who seek thrills would not have asked the question in the first place. They aren't telling people not to join, they are responding to the question whether they should join or not. As for those who tell their kids not to join, they have every right to do so.

[@dmacarthur5356]

The military has never really "cared" about you, the individual. You are a cog in the machine. Now, on top of the usual suck that accompanied the military you now have all the social engineering on top of that. Most red blooded American males could tolerate the hardships and BS of normal military life but have no ambition to serve in this new age military much less die for some rich people to make more money on wall street.

[@Lonovavir]

Do we know the same veterans? Every one I know tells young people to avoid military service l.

[@amardave84]

Finally a generation that realizes that defending your family and country is completely different from sacrificing your life at the whim of the military industrial complex and the commander in chief in some foreign land.

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

Really? Explain that one. This GenZ looks like all it wants to do is have fun...I don't see where they believe in defending this country. I wonder why? Could it be their loyalties are to Mammon? Or, to other countries that their families fled from? Please give everyone a break from your so-called ideology.

[@SnickC13]

This is the most respectful and accurate post.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@shyguy9102]

Exactly 😊

[@donaldtrumplover2254]

@@rohitsawant5805 Because there are too few lesbians to produce enough Emma’s. Women should be added to the draft.

[@MilePost106]

Old guys like myself who served after Vietnam during peace time the military was completely different to today. Back in the day it was worth it being so many people were patriotic and wanted to wear the uniform. I see today how much has changed over the years and we have a government that is so corrupt and members of Congress who hate America along with civilians. I look around and ask why would these young people want to give their life for this country. If I was young today I would say no way!

[@Worm_Void]

Exactly! there are so many people that I know who are willing to die for their country, to make it better! to improve it. but they won't join the military because they know that that's not what their goals are in mind.

[@elainenorvell3335]

Same here. AF from 70-74. Whole different ballgame back in the day.

[@Mein_Kek]

Israel is your boss. Congress is israel puppet

[@tmgclips5300]

Do recruiters not realize that the problem isn’t that they aren’t making enough tik toks but that no one wants to go fight a war to make other people richer

[@JackM-ci6rr]

They still believe there are people they can fool to fight for their stupid wars

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@mattbanco4406]

@@rohitsawant5805 exactly you don’t need me when you got them. 😂

[@Tragicide]

Call me racist but I don’t wanna take orders nor fight and die for a gay guy or trans who only cares about being parade pretty.

[@echohunter4199]

As a former Army Recruiter, the reason is a little complex but I promise to be brief. Recruiters use various demographic analysis tools that mainly come from the real estate industry are able to tell us what kind of people live in various zip codes. One main issue is the average IQ of a demographic and it’s been dropping steadily in the past 15 years as our southern border is wide open and we’re being flooded with illegal immigrants and their average IQ is 75 and the minimum IQ to join any branch of the US military is 83. The population that has a large amount of smarter people is the white race. Now I’m talking about a large number of people and not smaller minority ethnicities such as Asian which is slightly higher that Western European whites. White people have had plummeting birth rates for over 60 years due to liberalism convincing young people to not pursue motherhood. So throw in “fat acceptance” and an unbelievable amount of high school drop outs and the pool of potential recruits becomes tiny. GED’s may be fine for the dropout but it’s almost worthless for enlistment aside from a minuscule amount we allow to join at the end of the fiscal year but they must score high on the ASVAB test. We found that GED holders have a high dropout rate, they usually quit the Army within 72 hours of Basic Training and call their mommy that they’re coming back home. So far it’s around a 50% dropout rate so we always double slot the job training seats to account for the amount of quitters. A persons IQ comes from their parents which can either be good or bad. When I was recruiting in California near Oxnard, nearly every Hispanic person we tested completely bombed, they had less than a 5th grade reading level and these were high school graduates! Single mothers/fathers is also a disqualifier, there must be both parents or a signed court custody order for the person to join. Then throw in drug use, we test for all drugs and marijuana is the biggest problem, it may be legal in the State you live in but not for us, we just have to make sure it’s been a few weeks before joining the Army, all branches screen for drugs. And all this is before we look into a persons criminal and medical background, it’s just nuts as to how hard it is to find what we’re looking for.

[@lorriewhalen2430]

My son is 22 years old and is a technical engineer in the army. He says it is toxic leadership and having to fight for your benefits. He is getting out next year and they already told him that he is getting a general discharge which means he won’t get his GI Bill. His commander right now is fighting for my son to get his benefits.

[@Mediocremakekout]

Damn

[@warrenlewis3977]

Why is he getting a General Discharge? That will explain everything.

[@pl8101]

​@@warrenlewis3977 One word for you. Teacher boy snitch back stabber a warren. Bye 👋👋 snitch.

[@lorriewhalen2430]

@@warrenlewis3977 he said when he went into his body metric measurement they said he was overweight. All his measurements were off. My son said they did not measure him correctly. His friend that is in the army with him said the same thing. After my son fought it, he got another measurement done a week and a half later. Everything was within parameters.

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@lorriewhalen2430 He's getting a General Discharge because of "body measurements"? Is that what you're saying?

[@SuperBayarea87]

Why fight for democracy abroad when democracy doesn't work at home

[@TheReaper-ep2cq]

its better than the alternative

[@Mein_Kek]

​@@TheReaper-ep2cq no. I want the alternative.

[@lauh4rl]

What is the alternative democracy and capitalism only benefit the rich

[@Mein_Kek]

@@lauh4rl who's the rich? what is their ethnicity?

[@BaconSlayer69]

@@Mein_Kekcorporations and politicians

[@goshawk4340]

Your better off working 40 hours at McDonald's and living with your parents after leaving highschool than going to the military.

[@oggsmash9989]

Correct, if you are in any way hard working and responsible you will be an assistant manager in a year. In the military.....good luck.

[@EmperorJavelin]

You're*** lulz

[@warrenlewis3977]

​@@oggsmash9989How do you know?

[@warrenlewis3977]

Stop lying.

[@pl8101]

​@@warrenlewis3977 Only the government lies to me and you. No one is lying to you. Do not join the army 🪖. Peace 🕊️ out 🙏. Take care 🙏. Bye 👋👋

[@courier6541]

Ex-army here and i wont stop telling people how bad it was for me and how terrible it actually is. I wasn't respect when i was in, I was a glorified janitor and the amount of details we had to do(extra duty) was absurd. I love my job but i never did it. I would walk back to my barracks seeing people cry in their cars. The sign for "last incident since drunk driving" stayed at zero for a week straight one time. We couldnt get past 30 days most of the time. If you weren't drinking, there was a high chance you doing drugs on the weekends.

[@CyberTranceHero69]

I am Navy and have been doing this for 20 years and will continue doing until I die.

[@LoganTheWittyPizza]

​@@CyberTranceHero69Congratulations, Chief

[@Xphysique]

@@CyberTranceHero69well must be so hard on you to sit on a ship all day.

[@carlosnievas1220]

Yes I agree! I was a supply clerk at Ft Drum, at the millenium. I was assigned to an infantry unit. My mos was so special that infantry guys were doing it! Infantry were mechanics, ammo people, transportation, personnel, supply, etc. When uniform inspection came along, I was asked, "where is your blue cord, cross rifles, etc." I told them that I was not infantry. They were shocked! My recruiter deserves a punch in the face. To the post maker, you are not kidding!

[@reubenmorris487]

@@Xphysique 😄LOL!😄@ idiot who thinks most Sailors sit on a ship all day...

[@Irevoltnow]

Positive thing. It means young people have more good options and don't need to go to army out of desperation. Young people fighting old people's war is backwards anyway.

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

And who wants to fight for a country when it no longer feels like "your" country...we are treated as economic itinerants so people are responding as such.

[@rangoman1815]

Rampant wokeness and there's no challenge in the military in the US must be the reasons why

[@ateampossible]

7:15 even in the video he gets it wrong, who said for the army to be effective it needs to be representative of the population?! There are many industries and jobs that are not even remotely representative of the population. For the army to be effective fighting force it needs to put emphasis on meritocracy and not equity

[@mrprodigy7143]

@@rangoman1815 can’t be that won’t considering that conservative still make up the majority of people in the military

[@ZetaMoolah]

@@rangoman1815The military has always been more socially progressive than civilian society. They desegregated a full 20 odd years before the rest of the country. The military has been “woke” since before Afro-Americans coined the term several decades ago, long before corporate America hijacked the vernacular.

[@johnnyflores5954]

Define Woke?

[@rikoea6530]

The Army only pretends to care about you up until the point where you're counted as a number in their recruiting statistics. After that you're worthless to them. I joined in 2018 during a 6,000 troop shortage and I suffered from starvation at in-processing. I had to fight passing out every morning while others vomited water due to their empty stomachs. Recruits were not allowed to use the bathroom so they peed on themselves. A girl I knew had to stay behind because her knees got infected and they wouldn't let her get treatment. I was even called a liar by the drill sergeant when I did not have any towels in my bag so I had to beg the other recruits for their extras. Even the civilians were straight-up extremely rude and disrespectful. Every day it was made very clear to us that we weren't wanted or needed there. Then in basic I was sick with severe chronic bronchitis, weighed 96 lbs due to constant vomiting and coughing, and wasn't allowed to go to medical until blue phase. When I did all I got was simply cough medicine which did nothing for me. The only reason I was able to pass all my PT tests is because of the training I did before I joined. Pain and heart tolerance while running everyday prepared me more than anything else. After that you are sent to AIT, which is prison school. You can't go anywhere by yourself. Not even to turn a corner or go to the dumpster. Doing anything at all becomes 10X more difficult. I was screwed out of my machining certs when I was put in night classes, so that simply is another tell-tale sign that the Army doesn't care about MOS proficiency. Finally, you end up in your unit, and if you're lucky you'll get to do your job. Otherwise, you're stuck doing endless worthless details which is going to cause early burnout with nothing to show for it. Let's also not forget the complicated six-event ACFT, and the mandatory PT you are required to do with your unit every single morning. This PT is not efficient enough to prepare you for the ACFT test so you have to go to the gym after work and use up even more of your slim free time. Soldiers often get injured because they are not given enough time to rest. I thought I was going to be stuck with knee problems for the rest of my life due to an over-use injury (thank god for covid). The other branches don't have issues like the ones I just presented. Whenever they are stationed in places that have joint AIT they see us being treated terribly and become embarrassed for us. We really are a laughing stock to them and it's sad af. We go through way more abuse for way less benefit. The Army simply can't compete with the other branches in terms of quality of life and MOS training. My service was a complete waste of time and I got nothing out of it. That is why we have a 15,000 troop shortage. Toxic leadership destroyed the Army in addition to all the other issues I presented. Veterans are telling their kids not to join and I've done my own fair share of getting the word out. The greater the shortage the better because then it will force the Army to change. Edit: Some of the toxic individuals who have served for 20 years like to come on here and call me a liar and say that I'm exaggerating, but everything I said here is the truth. This is why you should always take their opinions with a grain of salt. We're talking about modern-day Army and this is just a small amount of the BS I had to go through. If you think 'wokeism' is the Army's biggest problem today you need a reality check.

[@Ghostintheshell3551]

Nailed it bro !

[@thehippo_]

Support you bro!

[@ianandersen265]

My brother is in the Army. He's getting sick of it too. Also, my brother told me how so many fellow Army guys are dealing with mental health issues, how he had to counsel others away from suicide and vice versa, plus there is a good opportunity for my brother to succeed as a parole officer after leaving and get some sweet benefits. The offers to stick around and go up the ranks just aren't good enough for him right now, and my brother is a mentally and physically no nonsense guy.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@kimarhironso437]

Utilize your post 9/11 gi bill to get a free degree from college in a profession that interest you. Even if you hated your time in the Army, if you did your years in you should at least have this afterwards.

[@vinomafia]

Endless wars, I was in the Marine Corps I don't recommend enlisting when friends or family ask for my opinion. Politicians want to use the military for their own gain, their children never serve, they attend Ivy League schools from the nepotism of their parents.

[@creppypastalover]

Not a vet, but I've worked and interacted with tons as a registered nurse in my hospital. Pretty much all of them have told me you're abandoned and forgotten about after service, it's nearly impossible to get their VA benefits, and they have lifelong repercussions of their service (be it mental or physical). Yeah, I can see why they have a shortfall. Our generation is lucky enough to have all this information available to us before deciding to enlist, and I'd rather not be wringed by the U.S government for all my worth only to get nothing in return.

[@warrenlewis3977]

These people are lying to you. VA health care is world class. The folks who whine about the VA are the dudes who can't get drugs or the dudes who served 6 months and now want 100 percent disability checks. That's the truth.

[@notmate]

Betrayed. Forgotten. Abandoned.

[@markjamison93]

As a Vet, I approve this message.

[@docgalt2801]

Reasons why people don’t join the military: 1) Why fight a rich man’s war? 2) Standards are different. Currently, we have trans Soldiers that are exempt from deployment and PT standards via order of POTUS. 3) Veterans are an example of how the military treats their personnel post service. 4) Death/Dismemberment 5) politics involved in the military

[@Roman-xg5qs]

I did my 6years and I tell everyone that it isn't worth it. Bad culture, low pay, you are reminded daily that you are expandable, and after you get health issues, drug addiction and PTSD

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

howd you get ptsd? did you kill anybody?

[@uptin]

Thank you for your service!

[@arthurpowers3724]

And on top of all those problems, your IQ score is so low that you are unable to spell "expendable" correctly, not "epandable." Seriously, did you just sleep-walk through middle and high-school? In today's military, no human should be accepted unless they have completed at least an AB degree from a valid collegiate institution with at least a 2.85 grade on a scale of one to four. No one was accepted to my high school without an IQ of 125 and some serious proficiency in a foreign language (not English, lol).

[@alfredogarciajr40]

@@juanshaftpatel7488that’s not a question you should ever ask. Many people get PTSD from other things than war.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

like what?@@alfredogarciajr40

[@articrecon]

I come from a long line of military. Grandpa was a WW2 infantryman who earned a Purple Heart at Normandy. Dad was a Green Beret in Vietnam. I was a cavalry officer in Iraq. I got severly wounded and earned a Purple Heart also. I have two young sons. I'm hoping to keep them from joining. We've sacrificed enough as a family and I've seen how the govt treats us once we return. They [officials] are worried about what books are in a HS library but OK brainwashing a kid ONE year later to go sacrifice their body ,without upholding those promises of carr in the case of ,f or reasons not entirely clear. The patriotic propaganda built out of WW2 reels that we are fighting for democracy worked then, it's a myth now.

[@freefree1219]

Thank you for your post. Respect the sacrifices of your earlier generations to real cause of war is to bring peace, and your awakening to the hideous motives of the US war machines of recent generations. The blood licking slogan of the presenter in this video says it all.. "we want to continue to be the strongest army in the world" so we want more people! A brainwashed kid by the US war machine, trying to raise wars everywhere in the world to prove their dominance.. this is the real cause of US wars around the world. Why do we want to keep this shit on?

[@mrconfusion87]

Best of luck going forward man! You might want to know who your neighborhood drug dealer is so if/when the Draft is reinstated and the recruiters come knocking, you can get them high to make them illegible for it (someone I personally know told me that is exactly what he'd do when that happens)!

[@EMan-cu5zo]

@@mrconfusion87good idea. Be a liability to them so they don’t want you.

[@Joshualibbyy]

Thank u for ur service

[@christophergreen4367]

Same here. My nephew got kicked out because of the vaccine. Our family is done. 1st I no longer trust the government . 2nd is war is no place for political correctness. 3rd is I now feel the government no longer likes the warrior class. Blackrock and other hedge funds can fight their own wars.

[@GlenroseMakgorogo]

Don't forget soldiers who were fired for refusing to take covid jab

[@palmtreesmusic1945]

Yep. That too is a major obstacle for myself. Forcing vaccines? No way.

[@TheManeuverProject]

The first thing the military needs to do is to fix their toxic leadership issues. That is what is lowering both the military retention and recruits. I'm not saying the all of the military is bad. There are units that have very bad leaders. Favoritism is a very big issue in the military because it is what lowers the unit morale. Toxic leadership is the number one reasons why people are leaving and people are not joining.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

It's the military. If you expect their leadership to be "non-toxic," then you're REALLY not going to like dealing with terrorists! Military culture is all TEN-HUT!!! and SIR YES SIR!!! and all that shit because it's traditional, it acknowledges the chain of command. They treat you like shit until they've beaten your ass into the state it needs to be in to be a professional terrorist-hunter, and if you don't like that you're welcome to look for a job as a Kindergarten teacher. Christ people, your role in the military is to KILL PEOPLE, that's your JOB! And people are bitching about "toxic leadership"?! Anyway, boredom, depression and low pay are the reasons people leave their jobs. Even in civilian life plenty of asshole bosses abound, don't think you'll see the day when you won't find them in the Armed Forces!

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@petboy5839]

Unfortunately power is a drug to some people. The military is no different.

[@kwaii_gamer]

The military always had toxic leadership. Its in their DNA . Its the treatment of veterans, and the constant deployments...how many veterans have Gulf War syndrome....how many were exposed to burn pits...how many years and how many hearings were need to get them any help.

[@Tragicide]

There are multiple stories of toxic leadership even at the low levels hazing people to the point of suicide. None of them are held accountable for it.

[@xINTENSORx]

People don't want to be slaves to the military industrial complex. people are more informed and know what really is going on. This is good news.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

People have gotten more educated

[@Lyraine1]

Not from the US but I'm GenZ and I'd do my best to avoid ending up in a military. With so many information available now we know what war is like. It's hell. You might lose your life, your friends or get injured to the point where you're somewhat crippled for the rest of your life while being forced to kill another people. That just seems so fucked up to me on so many levels and especially If the war is pointless.

[@BaconSlayer69]

Go in the national Guard

[@Lucas66393]

nobody wants to die because some old politicians that are fighting for power. Die for your country is a waste of your life and probably the soldiers that are fighting in Ukraine think the same from both sides

[@amberskyee]

Exactly ! What if they all just refuse to fight for them = no war?

[@jeremylewis5551]

The military eliminated its pension benefit and replaced it with a 401k program. This removed a major incentive to enlist and stay in for 20 years.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@evasalcedo9182]

You can still retire at 20 years. And the benefits of being a veteran are pretty unmatched. Personally I enjoy all the travel, free school and amazing experiences. But I had a very good asvab score which led me to a very good job. I don’t regret a single year served (going on 14).

[@jeremylewis5551]

@@evasalcedo9182 I agree that there's still benefits to becoming a veteran. For anyone joining for benefits go active for at least 3 years for 100% benefits. If you try national guard route first you can end up with 10 years, a combat deployment and with fewer benefits than your active duty friend with only 3 years in.

[@jeremylewis5551]

@@evasalcedo9182 yes, you can retire in 20 years but there is a major loss in terms of money between a 401k and a pension.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@evasalcedo9182 "And the benefits of being a veteran are pretty unmatched. " For a woman. For men one of the benefits includes chronic joint pain.

[@maximumtrollmagic]

Everyone in every city in the US has seen homeless veterans drinking/doing drugs on the streets. And the government still has the gall to ask us why we don't want to join the military.

[@jay-t1030]

I am a Gen Z male that never served but I hope the recruitment issue gets worst maybe then our Government will stop being the world police and focus more on issues here within our own borders.

[@Kmc-r7t]

I'm afraid not, unless the US loses its clout and/or countries (allies) grow some balls to say no to these ridiculous wars that Washington always plans in advance then the US will always have others to do their bidding.

[@MichaelOBrien71]

Totally agree 👍

[@jayjoseph-r5t]

Bro they will then force people

[@aetius7139]

They probably gonna use mercenaries, or PMC. A military contractors to fight in its war. If not straight just enacting conscription law......

[@devon5154]

At the same time, what happens over there affects over here.

[@MrChowbaby69]

Genz aren't delusional morons like the other generations. First generation I've seen that didn't let Boomers bully them.

[@MAG320]

Ask the homeless vets why military isn’t a good option. See what answer they give you. Literally. Go head. See how fast they will stare at you.

[@asdfgh6210]

pretty sure there's mandatory military for men in south korea

[@Player21398]

Yeah they do, Jin and Jhope from BTS are currently doing mandatory service.

[@uptin]

It is true! This is the whole reason BTS members have to undergo mandatory training 🫶

[@edmfestivals6066]

Yeah for real this guy needs to do his research

[@raihanrusli2720]

There are also like north korea, taiwan, etc. Most countries with mandatory military service realize that they have potential invaders near them, the same goes with the people. Not like US, in which a lot of time are the invaders and/or sending help to abroad allies. I mean the US pretty much lost vietnam war because politics and loss of trust from its people and had to pull out, not because manpower or any kind of military equipment problem. I guess this is where US stop mandatory military service. Oh yeah hippies also came from this era

[@Varuga]

@@uptin what.....? then why did you make the video like this? Are you a bot? This is such a weird response to what he said.

[@troyhung4307]

We've finally seen through the "Fighting for freedom" bullshits

[@Lonovavir]

Fighting for oil didn't poll as well.

[@fatboyRAY24]

Yeah they shouldn’t have lied. Should’ve just made it an outright war of conquest and I’m sure plenty of Americans would’ve got behind it.

[@Fred_the_1996]

Always defending your country halfway across the globe in some impoverished country

[@dge_05]

Word

[@oneshotprestige]

Eventually, it won’t be bullshit. However, for the most part, it has been bullshit. WWII was the last time freedom and the safety of the world was at stake. Everything since then has been inexcusable.

[@codeninja7306]

I’m currently in. Whatever you think or whatever situation you’re in, for fuck’s sake, DO NOT JOIN!

[@kennethbowers2897]

Why go overseas to kill a bunch of people I didn't start a fight with? Hard to convince someone to go over to fight and maybe die on foreign soil for some murky sense of the greater good.

[@Euro316]

I am a Marine who got out last year. I have always thought that they should force military-age politicians to serve as platoon/company commanders when deciding to declare war. I think they would feel a certain way after making that declaration. The military is also a part of the problem. Many of us don't see the problem while we are in and don't understand how we are being manipulated.

[@WulfieZi]

I am a Soldier who got out this year, and I agree. I only saw that I was being manipulated and taken advantage of in year 5 of my 6 year contract. I did not want to be Biden's personal militia anymore.

[@petemorton8403]

This would result in much less AOC's. Dragging a wounded from fire after hit would be death for him, not her.

[@jadapinkett1656]

They don't declare war anymore.

[@MCL198027]

No! E1 and no early promotion waivers. And the shittiest MOS's as well

[@Euro316]

That wouldn't really be realistic or beneficial. Being a new Officer is a lot more stressful than being a new E1. When I was an E1 I just cleaned a lot, knew to stfu, and got hazed a little. But if you make them commissioned and serve as officers, the stress and consequences to decisions starts at Day 1. The point isn't to punish politicians. Not all are bad. It's to create some sense of quality control and experience. As well as some ownership to the decisions they try to institute on others. @@MCL198027

[@andrewshaw7]

I once failed a barracks room inspection because of a spec of dust and had to do a re inspection in my dress whites, failed the re inspection because of a small crease in my pants and had a bad reputation of uncleanliness go up the chain of command. It was ridiculous, you would think I committed some heinous crime by the way I was being treated. it was almost like a form of hazing and disrespect. Toxic leadership is the problem

[@darkpranker]

“a rich man's war but a poor man's fight.”

[@conductingintomfoolery9163]

We have a recruiting crisis? Send kids of politicians kids of, heads of industry, kids of billionaires, deca millionaires, foreign investors, strong wamon, brave trans folks, and everyone who votes for the current president. I think young American healthy men have fought way more then others ☺️

[@jay-t1030]

Amen to that.

[@Lonovavir]

It ain't me addressed this back in Vietnam. Even during the Civil War the phrase rich man's war, poor man's fight was common.

[@Zamu273]

​@@Lonovavir The difference between then and now is that back then people saw war as honourable and protecting the country As someone from gen z, the military is nothing more than a bunch of people running around killing other people because a rich guy told them to.

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@toshiojohnston3732]

Don't forget all those migrants who love america.

[@Wi-Fi-El]

Why join the military when I make more money as a civilian? On top of that, as a civilian I don't have to follow orders, don't have to make an oath (which would conflict with my religion), I don't have to cut my hair, cover my tats, or be on-call 24/7. Civilian life is easier and more enjoyable

[@MojoRevelation]

I'm a sergeant in the Army Reserve. Don't join! They're not even paying me properly. Kinda pitiful that the best, most well-funded army in the world can't even pay the soldiers that are already in.

[@joebeta1837]

Sorry that you're not being paid what you expect. That's what pisses me off. You make sacrifices and guess who gets paid the millions and billions of dollars? No, not the civilians who make the hammers and toilets for the military? The CEOs and board of directors. Granted a person who makes toilets should not be paid $100,000, but those leaders shouldn't be paid millions either. I'd say get out of the military, go to college and become a nurse. We're getting paid good money. And you can become a traveler nurse and get paid really good money! You are already a disciplined person. You're an organized person. If you're pretty smart, get your pre-nursing courses done with straight As and get accepted in to nursing school. Get three years of nursing experience, then you can become a traveler nurse.

[@Ezhil-dq8op]

Best generation ever, a generation who knows that fighting for the greed of some billionare is not worth their life

[@Leviathan762-zh4lq]

"The best generation" now your just stretching it

[@TakCWAL]

@@Leviathan762-zh4lq It is the best generation, the generation that is enjoying this carefree society built upon the blood and sweat of every generation before this one. Then they b!tch about it.

[@Leviathan762-zh4lq]

@@TakCWAL don't forget they're also the weakest and most annoying generation too

[@Weenisweiner]

@@TakCWALGen Z is one of the stupidest generations. Older generations have every right to complain about us.

[@bogus69]

@@Leviathan762-zh4lqyeah, it’s like they forgot the generation that literally defeated the nazis. They will forever be the best generation.

[@TheDysartes]

The younger generation just don't wanna fight pointless wars that are caused to benefit the ruling elites.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

Thats true I guy is inaccurate the job market is fucked at this point coming out of COVID does this Idiot know how many lay-offs has happened so far in the country inflation and food and gas prices have gone up Under This administration

[@Some-Rage-Inducing-Provocateur]

Most woke take.

[@Some-Rage-Inducing-Provocateur]

@@ElegantLily I've been there and fought. My advice? Stop whining and man the f*ck up.

[@FloridaZoe305]

“Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the "war to make the world safe for democracy." No one told them that dollars and cents were the real reason. No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going to cross might be torpedoed by submarines built with United State patents. They were just told it was to be a "glorious adventure" Smedley Butler --- War is Racket

[@hemihem]

As a white man I don't want to fight for a country that Imports 70 million Mexicans simple

[@usernameredacted3627]

The issue isn’t just recruiting. Failing to retain the Service Members that are serving is a significant factor that needs to be addressed. A good friend of mine told me there BN CDR said every (1) Soldier they get. The unit loses (2-3), and while reasons for leaving vary person to person. My friend says one of the most common reasons for Service Members leaving in his unit is due to poor leadership. Additionally, the units have to work their Service Members harder due to the known personnel shortage across the military and I can see why people don't to stay in.

[@rikoea6530]

Unfortunately this is one of the biggest issues we have today. The fact that we have some military guys and veterans running around the comment section, calling people trash because they shared their story, is pretty much a good example of this. Good leaders care about their troops and want to see them succeed, but often their own narcissism gets in the way and it affects the entire team. I know when I left the Army, several soldiers followed behind, using marijuana to get out, or Behavioral Health, which on my base is a complete joke. Only a couple of them re-enlisted, and those were the people who drove everyone else out. Because of the years of toxic leadership, my unit was dissolved. I really hope that Gen Z will have stronger emotional intelligence, so that they can recognize the bad behavior from the toxic leaders and change force for the better, or at least not be toxic themselves. Until then, I'm just waiting for the next war that we will definitely lose because these toxic pos are running it.

[@alphacause]

This problem is made worse by the fact that, of the GenZ cohort who want to join the military, many of them don't meet the physical requirements to be eligible. This is the result of our population becoming increasingly obese and sedentary with each generation.

[@zee9709]

and the fit one become influencer and onlyfans😂

[@alphacause]

@@zee9709 LOL! Yes. It seems like, in this day and age, that the only reason people become fit is to exhibit abs on some social media platform.

[@siamean1]

You don't need 6pack abs to fly drones and unleash hell on an islamic daycare center.. Cheesy dorito fingers will do just fine.

[@patricknevermind8529]

The government knows the majority of "food" people eat is bad for them but all the doctors and drug makers are making so much money. Who would've thought that allowing your citizens to be poisoned would make recruiting more difficult. U heard the man "they are lowering the standards" I can't imagine how that could go wrong.

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@patricknevermind8529 There’s gonna be a civil war between Big Food and Big Pharma VS. The Military-Industrial Complex.

[@adamfaine7789]

Joined because I wanted to protect others and advance my career at the same time. I don't regret trying to help others, but I was treated like shit for the 6 years I was in. Couldn't even work in the rate I selected which required an extra 2 years on my contract.

[@uptin]

Thank you for your service! Definitely deserved better

[@standforhumanitariancauses4756]

The only thing you would protect in the military, is the interest of giant corporations, oil companies, defense contractors, and weapon industries. Most of these wars were illegal and offensive. It has caused sufferings, and misery . Millions of have lost their lives, their homes, injured, based on lies. As time goes on, the new generation will not accept old lies and myths that were once accepted by the older generation, such as troops are fighting in Iraq to protect our freedom and democracy. Nothing could be more further than truth.

[@picklikeapro6952]

95% of kids first impression of the military who’s parents aren’t in the military are veterans on the side of the road having to beg for money after being abandoned by the government they served and in a lot of cases lost limbs for.

[@CaydenJLuther]

When i was 10 I saw homeless vets near by the bass pro shops where I'm from and Walmarts around and it really did give me that impression a decade ago and that's when I decided I won't join the military, and as a kid I gave whatever money I had to the vets before walking into the bass pro with my parents

[@shanejones8192]

As a Army Vet that served in the 82nd airborne division 504 infantry brigade 30 years ago the largest reason for the shortfall I believe is that conservative rural and small town white straight men are increasingly refusing to join. This demographic has always been the backbone in numbers of recruits for the military. They don't feel like their service is appreciated or wanted anymore. If a war breaks out who do you think is going to be put on the front line meat grinder, the lesbian woman, trans woman filing they/thems nails, or the white country boy from Kentucky, they all receive the same pay and benefits but they are not treated the same. Black Americans have never really trusted the military so their numbers have always been low, so I wonder who is going to be left to service in this new sensitive caring Rainbow military. I told my son not to enlist, and I would never want my daughters to enlist even if they wanted to.

[@Global.direction]

Thanks for your Service, Sir

[@bigpapa2195]

I agree i cant think of a reason young white men should join the military and defend a country that hates and denigrates them

[@HS-ig4ly]

thankfully US propaganga is pretty strong so there will always be enough brainwashed, room IQ Kentucky boys to soak up the bullets for our oil!

[@BETAsin]

More people see the hypocrisy of US imperialism. Why die in the sand for the table scraps of Lockheed and Raytheon?

[@mathewvanostin7118]

Democrats are like the gorbatchev of usa. They gonna bring usa to its knees and make them split into 50 countries. Cause they are doing things that make usa drop level year by year. And make people feel alienated I am also 100% sure elections in usa are corrupted (the minimal cheating to assure victory of democrats and rino). Cause its so weird how most people you meet except the 20% weirdos or misinformed dont like democrats. Yet somehow they are favourite of nations Look how much people hate world economic forum . Yet democrats get elected on a obeying economic forum speech If usa can corrupt elections of foreign countries. They can corrupt local elections. Under the pretext of "national interest" "political candidate is against national interest"

[@richgoza1956]

Maybe Gen-Z remembers what happened during Vietnam. I can't say I blame them.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

They werent born then not even millenials

[@thenexus8384]

​@@GAURAV25855ifyI'm pretty sure they're referring to the way the Vietnam Vets were treated after returning home,

[@cheeryrozetea]

I’m Gen z and I don’t remember it but I learn about, nevertheless I would never join.

[@squidee]

Almost as if gen z doesn't condone violence in the name of patriotism

[@chingghishan5707]

“Reducing its training standards” “Reducing its standards” All seems like a higher likelihood to die in battle.

[@gorillamasterofgaming5525]

it’s literally only so females can join in the military i bet lol. im sure people would love to protected by woman capable of being choke holded by a man easily.

[@coconuthead1361]

I'm active duty, and everything he says here is pretty accurate. There are very few reasons to join right now, and I don't really recommend it to anyone.

[@User-jr7vf]

What if you join to become a comissioned officer? Is it much better than being an NCO? Sorry, I'm from Brazil and I know little about your system. In Brazil it is tough for the NCOs, but the officers usually have a much easier life.

[@coconuthead1361]

@@User-jr7vf that's true here in the US as well, officers have much nicer pay and living quarters than enlisted. However, they serve much longer contracts, I only recommend going officer if you plan on making a career out of the military.

[@User-jr7vf]

@@coconuthead1361I see;; Thank you for your reply

[@mvend10]

Just cause you are having a shitty experience does not mean everyone else will. Remember that

[@BL4CK-L1ST]

As a 24 year old that has spent a better portion of their young adult life in college just aimlessly switching concentrations about 5-6 times due to getting into college without a set purpose and recently decided to not finish college, I’ve just now started to consider entering the Air Force due to it possibly being a way for me to hopefully find something that I can do with my life. But, watching videos like these make me somewhat question if I should enter or not and just put me in a deeper hole lacking of purpose or clear objective as to what to do in life.

[@unc1221]

Better to be lost with your freedom then surrounded by suffering and scu1$1de with incompetent leaders. Try getting a trade or blue collar job.

[@randyAT4]

Don’t. I am 13 years in the Air Force and I’m about to, ETS, get out in one month. When my two children are of age I will influence them to not join. Leadership is complete garbage.

[@squishygaming3325]

Military service is weird. They’ll pay for your college and you can either have an amazing chain of command that helps facilitate all the growth you could ever want or you could end up with the worst people you’ve ever met in your life like a video game. The Air Force or space force would be the better branches to join unless you wanna be a Coastie. Military service has an inherent suck factor associated with it, but you can also have a lot of growth opportunities because of it. Don’t try and join the Army, Marines or Navy if your first thought was Air Force. They have significantly worse suck factors than the Air Force, Space Force and Coast Guard. Coast Guard is also surprisingly physically demanding so unless you’re confident in your physical abilities go Air Force or Space Force.

[@randyAT4]

@@squishygaming3325 I’m talking about the pentagon not direct chain of command.

[@KungFuHustling]

“Sir, maybe we should focus on morale so the soldier don’t want to deep throat a 12 gauge? Maybe THEN we could attract applicants?” “No, Johnson, we need to make TikToks.”

[@apache318]

The military has also been picky about who they recruit. My wife and I pushed my son to serve who has a bachelor's degree, he was flagged for high blood pressure. but later passed, but he was talked out by relatives. A colleague's son was flagged for acne. They make it difficult for people to just give up.

[@GrzegorzDurda]

Are they white?

[@thispersonrighthere9024]

f**k you for pushing your son to serve.

[@ChurritoFrio]

The thing about Gen Z is that there are a lot of young studs that maybe would join, but refuse to join the military while its becoming woke. And yes the military has become woke

[@robertrocha597]

After almost 50 years of misusing them and abusing them is the reason. It is a sign of intelligence to learn from other's mistakes.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

yeah its a better choice to to to college and get a job for a corporation so you can buy starbucks and maybe afford health insurance

[@robertrocha597]

@@juanshaftpatel7488 calm down bot.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

how much do you owe your masters?@@robertrocha597

[@prato6396]

Just got yelled at for 7 hours and forced to sit in a conference room till 7 PM because some old man told another old man he doesn't like our rooms, while neither of them live near us.

[@davidcapalot1816]

When was this?

[@prestonjobe]

I was in the Air Force for 14 years, had a mental health crisis, sought help, and ended up trying to die on a fentanyl overdose (I'd never done fentanyl before), and the military just cast me out as a drug addict. I got article 15, reduction in rank, etc. I was begging them to help me. They turned their back on me. I just barely escaped homelessness by the grace of God and the love of my father. I would highly discourage anyone from joining this US military in general. It is not worth your sanity.

[@inmyopinion_3672]

It's not a military problem. It's a "who's in charge" problem.

[@mattbanco4406]

Couldn’t have said it better I dreamed all my life for serving in the military but I just can’t bring myself to do it now mind you I’m 19 years old. The reason I can’t do it is because of the current leader ship and the political atmosphere the military has been involved in the last few decades. They say you’re there to protect the Constitution and the people but how are we protecting America by invading Third World countries that can’t even attack us like Iraq. It’s not the same as it was 50 years ago you’re not protecting anybody anymore and that’s just the truth of it. I even talk to people who served and they tell me how much they regret it because it’s not what they thought it would be

[@JacobSBierman]

@@mattbanco4406exactly, as someone who is coming on the end of their contract, I will harp against anything military. Instead, go do community service. It’s more rewarding and actually makes a difference.

[@Khemtime]

I always wanted to join the military but I put it off for years. I joined the Air Force two years ago at 27. Don’t join. I was in basic two weeks from graduation when the Afghanistan withdrawal happened. Absolutely disgraceful. I’ve also seen plenty of people get accused of sexism, racism, homophobia and all that other stuff and basically no way of defending themselves because the military is bias in one way. Hard to form an effective team when you can’t trust other people to not stab you in the back. I’m glad I gave it a shot but I’m getting out as soon as I can.

[@michaelvickers4437]

Or maybe the kind of people who join, or who remain in, are just racist, sexist or homophobic?

[@alfredogarciajr40]

The Air Force isn’t a branch it’s a corporation with jets lol

[@hectorsanchez1377]

Shit load of racism still exists.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@alfredogarciajr40 Locksneed Martin

[@Tragicide]

Gay people weren’t supposed to be in the military in the first place. Neither were women (no offense ladies) but now look what happened. It’s the same reason gays shouldn’t have been allowed in the boyscouts.

[@DonaldPollard-g4z]

I joined the Marines in 1962 and had 3 tours in Vietnam 🇻🇳. I’m now a retired 100% VA GySgt double an amputee. But not only a few help us now,

[@thecsucihai]

Why GenZ won't join the Military. Wow, this generation is smarter than I give them credit for.

[@oneshotprestige]

It’s not due to smarts, nor moral superiority. It mostly comes down to laziness, self-centeredness, and their constant pursuit of self pleasure. Not saying that they should be joining the military, just pointing out that their reasons for not joining are not what they claim. We will lose this country once gen z is in charge considering the fact that they are in full support of degeneracy in every aspect of life. America is doomed.

[@nicoleackerman205]

It the only thing they are smart about

[@GoneNForgotten]

@@nicoleackerman205hush old woman, the golden days of your youth weren’t as good as you remember

[@donguess4332]

@@nicoleackerman205 Actually they aren't even smart about that. They just know they could never make it through basic training. Not all but the vast majority are a bunch of spoiled entitled crybabies that are constantly crying and whining about how unfair everything is in life. Constantly wallowing in victimhood. Can you imagine them getting yelled at by a drill instructor? Lol 😆

[@techtips8102]

Most people only got 1 or 2 kids. Why have your kid killed for no reason.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

same reason for abortion

[@warrenash5370]

20 year active duty Air Force retired veteran. Would not advise ANYONE to join the military to fight for THIS government.

[@uptin]

I'm curious why?

[@Riflehunter-308]

Dumbest question ever but better to ask a dumb question before picking a side democrats ruined our government the gov. doesn't care about you they tax you for all you have to death they didn't help with hurricane Helen they spend billions on other countries the list goes on the gov. is back stabbing why would we want to join the military for the gov. fuck no them corrupt politicians can go join ​@@uptin

[@lusqwerty]

No body want to serve the Industry Military Complex. Most military decision of the United State is being done with the interest of the Military Industrial Complex. The same reason why the Americans did go to war in world wars. Since the end of world war 2 Americans is involved in a perpetual wars in every corner of the world. War is profittable weather its arms race or actual wars. That is what not liberals ane conservative is talking about. Why not get involved in building relations not dropping bombs who want to die in a war for profit of the Industrial Military Complex. No one is threatening the US. Not unless US want to destroy every nation who does not accept their foreign policy.

[@RipMinner]

It is a Government of the Corporations. And more and more people are finally figuring that out. Once the people noticed this the only real question is why would they fight for it?

[@Ryu_Shotokan]

One of the very few things i agree with with Gen Z with. No ones fighting for a country that counties to shaft them. No one in Their right mind is gonna join these days.

[@taiven.lechevalier]

Fought in Afghanistan in ‘09 with the paratroopers. Telling all of my nephews that if they have any other options whatsoever, to stay out.

[@warrenlewis3977]

Stay out because of what?

[@allow73839]

Short answer: It's not worth it anymore and there are far better opportunities and ways people wish to live their lives and who can blame them.

[@tochi7254]

"The job market is very strong right now in the US" Do not tell that to the Republican.........

[@jumpinjehoshaphat1951]

The all volunteer military has always had recruiting problems in normal times when unemployment was especially low.

[@natemendsen1629]

All time low, and of course it has nothing to do with all the glory we covered ourselves in over the last 30 years in places we mostly did not need to be in nearly as long.

[@cgmason7568]

Except the economy is in the toilet and people still aren't joining

[@Jareers-ef8hp]

Thats not true, the U.S military was still extremely small during the great depression in the 30s. They had only like 180,000 active duty soldiers back then.

[@lilacghoste8366]

​@@Jareers-ef8hpbut lesser population back than also

[@RicardoFinnigan]

People watched a generation of veterans get destroyed and treated horribly while fighting for their General’s Raytheon Board seat

[@mvend10]

Referring to Vietnam? Those days are 1000x different than today. A lot of afghan vets get respect. This new generation is lazy that would rather stock shelves at Walmart

[@johnsmith6974]

​@mvend10 Well let me but it this way. *The USS Liberty* That is all

[@ricardorivera6543]

@@mvend10 I’d disagree. The country’s split in half. No longer the “victorious WW2 champs” we once were. Wars in the last half century have been mostly misses. It ain’t even about respecting the vets. It’s about our recent track record. Iraq, Afghanistan. Horrendous.

[@mvend10]

@@ricardorivera6543 there’s not going to be an armed conflict that we’re directly involved in for a while. We are not ready for another war.

[@LP1990s]

​@@mvend10You are a killer who thinks it is more virtuous to murder than to sell goods at the market. I pray for you. Soldier.

[@Alwaysbechilling46]

Hell nah, as a man I won’t joining a military. Period, I ain’t gay or anything else, i’m healthy man but i have much valuable things in my life instead being human shield for the rich people. For what joining military ? Pointless. If the government decided to drafting all men across the country, then i’m going fleeing to escape rather than die in frontlines.

[@AceChina]

Why fight for a country and elite that hate you?

[@We-will-defeat-them]

Exactly.

[@davidsmyth6822]

Just retired from the active duty Air Force. I wouldn’t recommend staying 20 anymore, but I would still recommend doing a four year stint, getting the GI Bill and veteran status. Possibly learning a trade, and maybe get some college done.

[@mal5206]

My grand father did not receive his GI bill benefits. Racism.

[@yaxleader]

I'm currently separating from the Space Force and I agree. But that four to five year stint is really only valuable if you learn skills and gain experience in valuable professions. The Air Force, Navy, and Space Force are the best places to get said skills.

[@danielkantor5693]

@@yaxleader GI bill isn't worth it anymore. Kids out of highschool can work part time at Walmart, Publix McDonalds etc. and they offer tuition reimbursement for college/trades.

[@John-yv6vo]

“The war is not meant to be won, it’s meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance” That quote is from George Orwell’s 1984. How true is it! We haven’t won a war since WWII but we’ve constantly been entrenched in proxy wars ever since. I did 11 deployments between Iraq and Afghanistan. I knew when I was there they had no intention of winning. Dick Cheney was the former CEO of Halliburton which had the largest contract in those wars. It was about the rich getting richer off the blood of the peasants. Six months after the Afghanistan withdrawal they found their new cash cow in Ukraine. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.

[@m4a1snerfed]

one thing that surprised me when i looked was how low the wages were. even with no rent and cheap food, e-4 is the only wage worth anything.

[@lonelylovely1176]

Genz is clever enough not to die for richs

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

yeah its better for them to just be the riches indentured servants

[@GAURAV25855ify]

Yeah but they like to loot riot burn businesses take down statues then and make tik tock videos and then bitch about it

[@celestelunabarracato4445]

Why would I fight a rich mans war? Never.

[@GreenJuiceGuy27]

You are overthinking this whole thing. The main reason people aren't joining the army is because they don't want to lose the only life they are certain to have running at an enemy and getting shot. Real life is not like video games where if you get killed you just press the reset button and play again. In the past wars were glorified. Now people are fully aware of the reality of war.

[@anmonrahman5191]

Thanks Uptin for such good video again. There are basically two major issues making such recruitment problems. 1. The uses of military have become so much politicized that even people from military don’t want their kids to sent to there. To be honest military have lost the appeal of patriotism and serving the country. 2. Less facilities and coping mechanism with society have made such situations. So what seems to be a right action for this time is that provide military new recruits with more social and educational benefits and making military environment more diversified friendly. Taking care of veterans is also important equally.

[@uptin]

Very much so! Agree

[@anmonrahman5191]

@@uptin You are welcome Sir.

[@jwaxmcgeeg9706]

He kind of really avoided these topics

[@rohitsawant5805]

Why does the US Military need strong men when they have Emma with her 2 moms joining .

[@NANA-lq5md]

​@@rohitsawant5805I've seen you post this same thing in at least 4 different places, you ok.

[@sanethehappypill]

Why would someone join the military...I don't understand how ppl were convinced to go n die to protect rich people 😂😂😂

[@jackcarraway4707]

Active Duty Army here. There are good things about being in the military. Many soft skills have improved. I've learned to be more organized, manage my time better and be a better communicator. I even got a wake up call to be a more of a neat freak. I'm also a lot more confident than before I joined; I was much more submissive to authority but now my philosophy is if I had to put up with douchebag NCOs for four years I do not have to put up wIth a civilian boss's BS. The big one, however, is that I saved and invested a LOT of money. The reason I'm getting out is because I'm fed up with the toxic leadership and bureaucracy. The vast majority of NCOs I have encountered have zero business having that title. This is because of the Army's idiotic mindset that "everyone is a leader". Instead of living up to the NCO Creed and being mentors to their soldiers, they bully and harrass you. Sorry, but I can't stand the one-sidedness when it comes to "respect"; leaders and civilians are free to treat you like dirt but you get counseled for standing up for yourself. Because you don't pick your leaders, I can't take the risk of going to an even worse unit. The amount of things that do not get done due to bureaucracy is mind numbing. Paperwork gets kicked back over the pettiest of reasons, CIF won't take your gear back because of a speck of dust, the list goes on and on. I fully support reducing the amount of civilian contractors; they are rude, lazy and are THE single cause of all of the inefficiency.

[@lanlan3806]

Facts

[@joebeta1837]

The A-holes are the ones who stay since they fully know that there ugly attitudes would get them fired in the civilian world. And second, these A-holes who stay on are the only ones left around. I mean, you can't have a 28 year old who has been in the military for 9 years stay on as a Private. It's possible, but not likely. So, they're encouraged to become NCOs, these jerks become REAL jerks because they think someone thinks they're awesome. So now, these jerks become our leaders.

[@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity]

the pay is a JOKE in the military. especially the insane hours worked. no way that makes sense

[@davidw9570]

You don't have to pay rent, utility bills, food bills, you even get money for your cloths every year. Not to mention the bonuses you don't have any bills for the money you get.@@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity

[@warrenlewis3977]

​@@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity"Insane hours" what are you babbling about? You don't punch a clock in the service.

[@habitsofsuccess4322]

Honestly the confusion from Politicians, Government, Military on why no one wants to join shows just how far separated they are from the people they send to die for them.

[@musiklovers3189]

No one can blame them. 😂 This is what happens when your government doesn’t care about its citizens.

[@kimarhironso437]

I think part of the reason is that you can't hide operations from the civilian population like you could in the past. They should've learned this in Vietnam, the first televised war, but the Army always forgets almost all of its lessons between wars until something relevant is needed to be dug up again. Start of afghanistan and iraq insurgencies they acted like we hadn't been in an insurgency before.........then they suddenly realized they fought the Viet Cong for a decade in Vietnam and started applying the same tactics. So when the civilian population trusted that Iraq had WMDs and that there was a link between Iraq and Afghanistan (the Al Qaeda member that suggested this link was under torture even) and none of it turned out to be true, every civilian in the US knew that it was untrue. Mini justifications like Saddam was a dick, murdering torturer who let his sons throw pregnant women up on meathooks aren't a good enough justification when the whole country fell into chaos after his deposal. Then they handled Iraq stupidly. They defeated the Iraqi Army and caught Saddam quickly. But then dicked around and fumbled everything afterwards. They deposed the iraq military members in favor of the Shiites. This left the Sunni's super pissed off, unemployed, and as trained military men with nothing to do and their rivals now in power. They had to try and balance resources between two campaigns. Iraq and Afghanistan. Contrary to popular belief the combat arms units of the Army and Marine Corps are actually hella small in comparison to the size of the actual military. So having to switch around your fighting arm to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria as well as keep them deployed in places like Korea etc put a massive strain on the combat arms during this time. Then they allowed an insurgency of some of the worst religious extremist in history to fester there in ISIS. Our misadventure in Iraq actually COST US the war in Afghanistan because it got to the point where we were sending so many troops and equipment to Iraq that Afghanistan went wild in their absence. In the end, we ended up keeping people in Iraq (even today), and replacing the Taliban with the Taliban. Not a good look for the younger generation who saw the end results even if they don't understand everything that happened to get there and how our own politics at home played a role. There is also things the US Army needs to do different. Forget all this friendly military commercial bs they are advertising to reel in new troops. The US Army isn't about that. Even as a support MOS, your job is to support combat arms, and their job is what every soldier is taught in the Soldier's Creed. To close with and destroy the enemy. The entire organization is about destruction of the enemy even if you AREN'T combat arms. You support the people that are. When you have these happy commercials you get people with an idea of how things should work and then when they don't happen the way they envisioned, they are mad and bitter about it afterwards. When you come in EXPECTING things to suck, you leave your service much differently than the newer generation does. Somebody posted about their experience in reception, bct, and ait and then their service below. It seems pretty accurate to what I experienced except I went in KNOWING beforehand that it was going to suck bad. In reception we averaged two hours of sleep a night, a couple of bites of food at breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and waited in lines for hours upon hours getting gear, immunizations, paperwork etc. Reception was the worst part of the IET experience for me. BCT we got a little more sleep, and got to eat full meals, but were smoked constantly............but I knew it was going to be like that. In AIT I was in a can't get right platoon and we were smoked constantly AND put on extra duty. We got no off post passes, and only two on post passes. The rest of the time we were on extra duty. AIT was supposed to be easier, but I also knew it could be rough depending on how your training platoon got along with the AIT instructors. Ours didn't get along well. I also knew beforehand that it was entirely possible I wouldn't get to work much in my MOS with the way the wars were going. We'd just ceased major combat operations in Iraq but were still going hardcore in Afghanistan, but because we don't have infinite infantrymen every combat arms unit was doing other jobs to free those guys up to deploy elsewhere or being used as quasi infantry themselves. I deployed almost as soon as I got out of AIT, but didn't do anything field artillery, and instead was a quasi MP guy. If the younger generation actually had trust in their politicians, and the US Army actually told you how it was going to be like the old school advertisements and my recruiters did beforehand, I think they would attract more people looking for a challenge. Instead they are almost false advertising and getting people in with entirely different expectations which makes them bitter afterwards. Then they come to youtube and reddit and leave a lasting personal account of their negative experiences for it to be read by the younger generation for as long as humanity last (which probably won't be long). I rejoined in 2023, I think so far the Army is actually better this time around in terms of the actual soldier experience, and even the physical training is easier than it used to be.............but it still sucks. You just have to be one of those people that likes when it sucks. If you are a young person considering the military, especially the Army or the Marine Corps, just know that you are joining branches whose PRIMARY FOCUS is to close with and destroy the enemy in close combat. To kill them. To give them dirt naps. To spill blood and make the green grass grow. This shouldn't be a pleasant experience, and the existence into such a reality is often times shitty. But killing people shouldn't be easy either. Just know this beforehand. I hope you enjoyed my mini essay on the subject.

[@Bitcoin1y]

No, really, George W. Bush lied about WMDs

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Very enlightening. Thank you very much for your time.

[@mrs.wolfengrave8786]

That was the most honest reason for this problem I've ever heard!

[@Stephen-G]

Sounds like the deployed life I had as an Artilleryman. We were deployed at MP's also. Were you a 13M by chance?

[@kimarhironso437]

13p was my first MOS back when they had all the FDC MOS separate. Now it would be 13j. But yes, I was in a HIMARS unit first. I'm currently a 12b awaiting another MOS change. I literally never did my FDC job. We deployed, we acted as MPs, I got back, there was an MTOE change that dropped a firing battery for every battalion, and ours was the one dropped. So we were told we could reclass to anything we qualified for, or stay in that unit which became a FSB as support mos, or go somewhere else as 13p/13m. So I reclassed into something that was a little bit more like I was looking for. I don't actually regret that deployment though.

[@Raist474]

Gen Z generally does a good job of doing their homework before committing to something big. I've been approached by numerous Gen Z's asking about my time in the military and what jobs in the military really do. I've prevented a lot from getting shafted, but I've also helped some make the decision to join after I've dispelled the stigmas and myths about specific jobs. It is a lot easier to clear up rumors and stories if you sit them down in front of people who actually do said job.

[@GAURAV25855ify]

GEN Z ARE A BUNCH OF TIK TOCKERS

[@thispersonrighthere9024]

​@@GAURAV25855ifyGen Z is living in a fucked up version of america, so i don't blame them for not giving a damn!

[@lunariousmoon]

Gen z is really good in finding out what they wanna know

[@rafaelcalderon2027]

I served for 26 years on active duty. The major problem is the Veterans Administration, they treat their patients like dog crap and believe they’re doing you a favor. VA is a broken organization that’s in dire straits of an organizational restructuring. Until then no way would I tell my family members to join.

[@Bluecollarjoe6B9]

I though Emma and her Two moms had things dialled in.

[@honeybadger6313]

I have a respect for gen Z not swallowing the patriotic bs that lead to two futile wars.

[@ericayala7387]

Patriotism is what keeps people together and makes u appreciative of where you're from and who you ans your neighbors truly are. It's why the Olympics and world cup are so popular

[@oneshotprestige]

Gen Z can claim to be not going in for those reasons but most aren’t going in because they are entirely self centered. I’m not saying anyone should join the military, but gen z’s reasons for not joining are hardly related to their “superior” morality. They believe in teaching children about gender theory and getting an abortion every time they have premarital sex. It’s the generation of not taking responsibility. We will quickly lose this country considering how weak this generation is. America will turn into Sodom and Gomorrah at this rate.

[@starfox5352]

​@@ericayala7387im from earth. Not imaginary borders

[@ericayala7387]

@starfox5352 I feel u but even if we didn't have countries, we would still live slightly different lives cuz of how big and different the landscape is on earth

[@starfox5352]

@@ericayala7387 i know

[@Pepebumfuzzle]

Probably because they treated their veterans like shit. Most of the homeless people in my area are veterans and that explains on why i dont wanna join the military

[@GoldenGod69]

Funny thing is I got out of active duty Army in 2019, tried to go back in 2021 as a prior service 24 year old (honorable discharge, clean service record) they played hard to get and recruiters had me waiting for 4+ months on my paper work until one day I said enough is enough, maybe college is better. Never looked back since then. I was ready to dedicate 15 more years of my life and the bureaucracy ruined it

[@warrenlewis3977]

Your story sounds like bullshit. What was your Renlistment code on your DD214?

[@mvend10]

Sounds like that recruiting station was not very good

[@EH-sp3wk]

Naw, man. Veterans aren't telling people not to join because they saw their friends pass away. This is what veterans are really telling people: Leadership in the military is toxic af. The military will abuse you in every way, shape, or form. Your wants don't matter. They will break your body (like mine). It's not really worth it unless you are super broke. If you go to Fort Hood, you might get deleted. 😂 You will get depression, eventually. This is the type of thing we vets tell the younger generations. Yes, it's true, the military is changing, but that isn't the problem. The problem is that it got worse, not better.

[@melonne7278]

How's Fort Benning compared to hood? I'm gonna be stationed there for training and armour school

[@warrenlewis3977]

The dudes talking like that either washed out of Basic or got kicked out. I especially can't understand the dudes who kept renlisting.

[@EH-sp3wk]

@@warrenlewis3977 Some people just feel stuck. Luckily, I unstuck myself. 💪

[@randylittlefield2962]

"Can't find enough humans." You mean the military industrial complex can't find enough cannon fodder.

[@rollentheelf]

Ok genuine question, why does it matter if the military isn’t diverse?

[@warrenlewis3977]

It wasn't diverse up until 1948 when it desegregated.

[@rollentheelf]

@@warrenlewis3977 that doesn’t really answer the question? Does it really matter if the military isn’t diverse?

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@rollentheelf yes it does. So only one group of people have to deploy? Is that what you want? So only white guys from Ohio have to enlist, everybody else can chill at home...

[@warrenlewis3977]

@@rollentheelf What problem do you have with multiracial school, military, associations, neighbors, etc. Are you one of these incel, weak white supremacists? Only they talk like you.