Why many German "Leftists" support Israel

[@Azric99]

I‘m losing brain cells listening to German and Austrian politicians.. the mental gymnastics is insane .. and people fall for it

[@iam8401]

farecee scambags they are, everythere.. In Russia, USA, Japan, UK, etc..

[@utvm6748]

i live in austria. its dystopian clown show tbh.

[@distion]

I'm German myself and my brain just shuts off whenever I hear any German official talk about "Israel". There's only so much zionist propaganda and genocide apologia a person can stomach.

[@Dummigame]

Me when the non-jewish mayor of Berlin tried to lecture a jewish speaker about having to support a genocide in order to not be a "self-hating" jew:

[@aliasalias7546]

It's really insane that germany keeps sening money to Gaza.

[@benny_mrx3370]

even if I, as a German leftist, do not identify with this part of the left-wing scene in Germany, it is a certain form of embarrassment when people abroad learn about what is going on here in Germany...

[@LostinMango]

Shame shame

[@swagatochatterjee7104]

Let everyone know that AntiDs are not leftist. Don't let them take over your neighbourhoods.

[@HarryHaller-r3r]

Ihr habt auch während der Coronadiktatur den autoritären Staat unterstützt, die Systemkritiker angegriffen und jetzt verbreitet ihr ständig Russophobie und Kriegsrhetorik. Als Ausländer mit NS-Opfer in seinem Familienkreis will ich nur das sagen: ihr seid auf keinem Fall links!!! Ihr seid gefärbte Faschos die nichts aus der Geschichte gelernt haben! Mehr seid ihr nicht!!!

[@Simson616]

Fühl ich...

[@feydrautha012]

If it makes you feel any better, the US left isn't doing much better, apart from seeing through the MSM garbage on Gaza.

[@chemreac1]

Sitting down for another banger from one of the best 🍿

[@humanwithaplaylist]

Always so informative

[@adamhbrennan]

💯

[@twentye]

From a german leftist: I am deeply sorry for our “leftist” politician’s support of israel

[@yurinator6380]

No we support israel

[@Lukiman1121]

​@@yurinator6380 says some how refuses to learn anything. ever. Zionism was a pretty idea for bourgeoise europeans with backing from the global hegemon that devolved with time and dehumanization-level into a full fledged fasch-movement and you still hang on to illusions of 'safe space'. shame on you. you enemy of humanity.

[@staystackin]

@@yurinator6380 may god give you proper guidance

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

I would venture to say it’s the same reason they haven’t come to terms with the genocide in Namibia.

[@pikemen3477]

Because they aren't Europeans, they don't think their lives count or even see them as human beings for that matter, but they're so comfortable lecturing others on "Human rights".

[@ravenblack7052]

Yup. They have no human feelings.

[@KitteridgeStudios]

@@ravenblack7052 I really hope you're referring to the German Political Left and not the country's entire population...

[@ravenblack7052]

@@KitteridgeStudios All German people. Vile.

[@ravenblack7052]

@@KitteridgeStudios All Germans.

[@koa89]

Many years ago i was in an austrian "radical" left student group. Non-hierachical, anti-racist, feminist (...) all the good stuff. In a plenum we discussed the upcoming anniversary of Israel's establishment and some wanted to organise a (pro-israel) event. (i was pretty new to this group) I told them that i thought it's strange to praise any nation whatsoever and given it's lead by a right wing fundamentalist, even more strange. What followed was getting debated down by two people while the rest remained silent - they weren't super harsh or anything but the undertone of me just being a bit of an uneducated idiot that (unkowingly) enables anti-semitism was pretty clear. After that was over, members told me - in secret - that they kinda agree, but that that's something i just can not say or debate. This should have shaken me a lot more than it did back then.

[@KarlSnarks]

Damn, sounds pretty cultish for an "non-hierarchical" group.

[@paulminh3525]

@@KarlSnarksCommon sense, every group have hierarchy! Societies are divided into hierarchy! That why commons sense is so lacking! Study ideology make people live in fantasy, not real life! People rarely follow the ideology once they have power in their hand! Only selfish ambition remains! You can’t manage a group without hierarchy!

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

​@@paulminh3525 yeah thats why there is anarchist groups who actually try to manage power imbalances. these post autonomous, anti auth. commie groups are just claiming to be democratic. they are just cults like the auth. groups. most small political groups are cults, if you like it or not. Anarchist have a destinction between warrented and unwarrented hierarchy, e.g. someone is really good in smth of course they will teach people in this thing, which is a logical hierarchy. most post autonomous groups are being led by manipulating idiots who cannot step outside of their ideology and are just elitist pieces of shit. like fr how many of these groups we have seen and they are all the laughing stock of anarchists. it has come to the point were i feel better working with leninists, bc they are atleast honest, we both know we are enemies. these post autonomists are just trying to take anarchist aesthetics to cover their authoritarian leaning and they are lying all day. no anarchist takes smbdy seriously who defends a states right to exist. (in difference to a nation/ethnicity -> free palestine of course)

[@tomigun5180]

Leftism is inherently Semitic, so they were right when they thought you were uneducated.

[@koa89]

​@@paulminh3525 1) sure, the words of some people will always carry more weight than others regarding topics - i don't want my plumber to program a website and i don't want a programmer to mess with my piping. That's not what non-hierachical means. 2) using "Common Sense" and "Natural" as arguments is circle-logic. It's also common sense & natural for sons to kill their fathers, but we largely stoped doing that because it's stupid. 3) Organisation requieres structures and responsibilities. I've been working for a long time now and in my experience strict hierachy really hinders problem solving and the further "Up" someone is, the more immune they get to consequences of their actions and the more detachted they get from reality which is very bad for an organisation as a whole.

[@LibertarianLeninistRants]

As a german... ...I think you are correct

[@hlghjack]

so brave😔

[@beburs]

they are typically liberals larping Lol

[@nekomensch5690]

In my experience actually not, I've seen so many authoritarian communist turn Zionist or rather reveal their Zionism

[@substance-m7u-boredigger]

Leftists, yes

[@laithmughrabi8990]

Is there any especial rights to Namibia in germany? (Germany did G-cide there too)

[@philippdrescher6012]

Most people don't even know about Colonialism and the Herero and Nama genocide.

[@apasolini]

no because they are black whereas zionists are white

[@oofyboi5357]

No, because people who aren‘t white are subconciously seen as subhuman over here in germany

[@TheProletariat321]

Its crazy that I never learned about the Genocide of the Herero and Nama when it was our country that perpetrated it. We talk about the holocaust a lot, and I mean a lot (and yes I can understand, since it was truly a horrifying event) but I have never heard anyone talk about it. I only know about it from the internet and started to research it by myself.

[@sharadowasdr]

The first genocide committed by a fascist regime was against Arabs, as part of a colonization project. This isn't remembered enough. The Libyan genocide.

[@AquilaZero]

Reminds me of certain "Socialists" in Germany that were national, and not really socialist.

[@vgstb]

Exactly! Fascism and Zionism have always been two cheeks of the same bottom.

[@LostinMango]

Red Fash also supported isroel

[@ThisisFerrariKhan]

Nah they were very much socialist as well. A lot of their policies and programs are what all the leftists are asking to get implemented in today’s society but they won’t ever read an uncensored book to find out just how much they share in common with the nationalist socialist party

[@LallenderLurch]

please don't even make this "joke", it's not accurate and some weird right-wingers use it as a fairytale. It was also used as a strategy by the NSDAP...

[@dorinpopa6962]

​@@LostinMango lol, someone seriously uses red fash as a term.

[@RobHel69_420]

Especially as a German I appreciate you and your work so much! Not only did I learn so much because of your work in general but especially on this topic. I always have so many thoughts about how insane germans are when it comes to Israel, zionism, antisemitism and racism towards Arab people but I'm a bit stupid and not able to put all these thoughts together coherently. And it surely doesn't help that it's almost impossible to talk about this in a normal manner outside if my close circle of friends and to witness the daily racism and discrimination my Muslim and Arab friends are facing. I can only imagine how they truly feel. So thank you for all the great work you're doing, Bruder!

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

Exactly!

[@LindaYariger]

In US, and thanks so much for sharing. When one is wrapped in soundproof hasbara for years, it takes some courage to break free of it. And then our bribed politicians don't listen to us.

[@addyhadmelike655]

Germany never denazified

[@sharcc2511]

West germany*

[@no_name4796]

No country ever did! We have it worse then the 1940s. The good things we have compared to back then, is only because after the 1940s politicians actually pushed lots of progressive legislation And i am not talking about speciric countries. It's generally what's happening EVERYWHERE

[@myword1000]

Germany was genocided. "Hellstorm" "Other Losses"

[@realet7501]

That's 100% true

[@iam8401]

Western Germany supported Israell before 1967, because many shnazies hid in it from communists of USSR. In 1967 USA put Andropov - Filkenstein as the head of KGB in USSR, covertly...

[@sopport2325]

What a great video. I already plan to watch your previous video later.

[@robv.8676]

Well done! What's going on in Germany is rather disturbing, the mental gymnastics involved are so painful.

[@ct8426]

The left here in germany is really divided on this topic but a lot of especially young people are waking up and are supporting the Palestinian fight for freedom

[@xXFe_LixXx]

There would be more support from other leftists, if the pro-palestinians would outcall Hamas/Hezbolla as what they are.. But blaming only the israeli government (or the country / jews as whole) is just black and white-thinking (and sometimes antisemitic) and leaving out to much context.

[@hendrx]

there should be no division at all when the topic is gncd, specially in germany

[@ct8426]

@ I understand your point but the issue doesn’t start with hamas. They are product of the Israeli oppression and if Palestinians had a right to a decent life they wouldn’t exist

[@xXFe_LixXx]

@@hendrx I'd agree that there might be acteurs in Israel, that fantasize about a palestinian genocide, but to conceal the fact that these terrorist groups want a genocide themselves against the jews, heavily damages credibility.

[@xiaxiang-p1j]

Free Palestine from German Guilt 🇵🇸

[@khadijahbegum3546]

Absoloutely and from the colonial state of isnotreal. Free Palestine🇵🇸

[@lecho0175]

You are too charitable by calling this "guilt", it's just different form of nationalism

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

​@@lecho0175 yeah nationalism in form of a "super special german exclusive" guilt. So insane.

[@LindaYariger]

​@@lecho0175Really? In US, and didn't realize that being ashamed of our war crimes was nationalistic

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

KZbin Chanel Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "!

[@lecho0175]

Call it "Ersatznationalismus (substitute nationalism)"

[@illomens2766]

Country that started two world wars still unable to find itself on the right side of history, more news at 11

[@qlintenFX]

so terrorists are on the right side of history?

[@gorgenfol]

It sure is curious how the axis powers are now part of the G7... I thought they lost the wars

[@deradler7571]

Pretty sure France and England declared war on Germany and started WW2 not the other way around.

[@illomens2766]

@@deradler7571 Oh yeah, Germany and Austria-Hungary were completely faultless in that of course. Crusader profile pic, checks out.

[@metaldemort]

​@@qlintenFXnazis called resistance ''terrorists'' whenever they had to face it... Maybe calling Palestinian resistance ''terrorist'' is not enough to pretend to analyse and understand what is going on.

[@SanFranFan30]

I'm trying to figure out where Bes D. Marx is from because dude is elite at pronouncing words in basically every language.

[@fun_ghoul]

The consensus is that he's a German of Turkish descent. Before I saw that, I assumed he was Italian. He doesn't in fact nail every pronunciation, but then, nobody does.

[@SanFranFan30]

@@fun_ghoul I've been thinking that he was German-Turkish but I didn't want to make an outright guess.

[@TheLeontheking]

Criticizing Israel is an absolute taboo here in Germany, and it is immediately equated with antisemitism. Now with the war-crimes being obvious the taboo has sometimes lifted ever so slightly..

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

KZbin Kanal von Hans Dressler: " Deutsche Geschichte" sagt am Ende seiner Reihe, dass " Die Firna BRD der jüdischen B' ni Brit Loge gehört! Das erklärt ALLES was hier in Deutschland an Irrsinn passiert!

[@giftzwerg7345]

Absolitly not, what are you talking about. Basic Support of palistine is pretty wide spread. Just bc i Support the freedom of palistine doesnt mean i have to Support the eradication of Israel. This is however what a lot of the vocal palistine supporters do!

[@TheLeontheking]

@@giftzwerg7345 I agree, but that's not how it is discussed. For example take the Berlinale where two Israeli citizens (one of Palestinian origin) explained that two sets of laws are applied to them. Afterwards they were denounced, people had to defend that they were clapping for them, even though nothing antisemitic (and also nothing against the existence of the state of Israel) had been said there. The original speech as well as the takes of different media can easily be found here on KZbin.

[@bofafett7375]

turns out germany did not learn anything.

[@derstuttgarter84]

80 % of us don't want weapons or arming Israel. But our politicans are ignoring all our voices

[@LindaYariger]

In US, and we learned LESS than nothing . :-/

[@andrijnovak6367]

People really need to stop dividing people into "left" or "right". There are Germans with all kinds of political views who are against the genozide comitted by Israel. Germany isn't a single opinion. The German "left" isn't a single opinion. Why is that so hard to understand?

[@rsync9490]

​​@@LindaYarigerWe learned that we are good at chaos, destroying things and screwing people over to enrich ourselves.

[@Pmor75]

100%

[@Impossibleshadow]

The memory culture is one of the main red flags when it comes to German institutional racism. Why remember one ethnic group’s genocide and not another?

[@feydrautha012]

Indeed. You can't find a shred of the same sort of "remorse" for the Namibians among the Germans

[@Resuone]

Their logic is that they perpetrated the genocide against Jews, but why is there no Erinnerungskultur for their genocide in Namibia.

[@maxenswlfr1877]

Fun fact : there IS a German monument in Namibia that commemorates the genocide... except it's in honor of the Germans who did it. It's still there today, it's called Reiterdenkmal, in Windhoek. It has 4.3/5 on Google

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

especially anti roma racism. did you know roma were the most affected ethnicity in the holocaust? nobody in geemany acknoledges this, they just fuck over roma like they always did. its never talked about

[@frankb3347]

Imagine treating everyone equally rather than elevating one group over all others. We should give try that out for a change.

[@ShivamChadha98]

1976: first time Likud used “from the sea to river jordan” in their charter 1987-1992: when “from the river to the sea” becomes popular amongst Palestinians as a demand for reform and destruction of the apartheid state. Very clear to see which one came first!

[@MyHolyUnicorn]

I recently started my master's degree at uni kassel. I did my bachelor's at a small german university which didn't have much political activism. Imagine my surprise when I entered the main campus and there were two huuuuuuge signs stating "Our campus is no platform for hate, violence and hate speech. At the university of kassel study and teach many people of different nationalities and religions. Universities are places of open dialogue, marked by mutual tolerance and respect. Only arguments, reason and compassion count here. (So far so saying nothing at all but then:) It is clear to us: We do not look away when humans suffer. The right of the state of Israel to exist is not to be questioned. The right of the Palestinian people to their own state is not to be questioned. The responsibility of the hundred year conflict lies not only with one party. Any form of terrorism is to be condemned. Every comparison to the crimes of the nazis is forbidden. Just like any form of antisemitism and islamophobia" Yes I'm sure they value open dialogue

[@MoeMa4]

As usual... Excellent essay with receipts and all

[@inversebrah]

blessed with another Bes D. Marx video 🙏❤

[@josemaria8177]

Once again we are reminded that the wrong Germany lost the cold war

[@JacktheRah]

The other Germany wasn't much better. While it didn't simp for Israel it simped for other fascist dictatorships and was even more authoritarian than the Soviet Union, literally shooting down protests for freedom and equality. Make no mistake my friend, both the FRG and the GDR overall sucked/still suck. You can condemn one injustice and at the same time also condemn the other. What we needed and what we need was and is neither, the GDR nor the FRG system. We still need proper denazification as neither states really did so and we ended up with a lot of old nazi structures which never changed and are now too "sacred" to even consider changing (because change is generally viewed as a bad thing in Germany or at least in German politics).

[@snaildun]

@@JacktheRah What fascist dictatorships did it simp for? By protests for freedom and equality do you mean protests to restore capitalism in Germany? stop using vague explanations

[@tommahkun]

@@JacktheRah By "protests for freedom and equality" do you mean saboteur scum who literally put soap in schoolchildrens' milk among other heinous acts which made the Berlin Wall necessary? And the GDR had heads of state that were opposed to the Nazis since the beginning, unlike the FRG who didn't have anyone without ties to the Third Reich in power until the 70s or so.

[@tst2363]

​@snaildun I only think of Ethiopia, regarding "fascist" dictatorships. But the GDR leadership certainly did not simp for any country, except the USSR itself😆 and the commoners there simped for the FRG

[@teamkilled1227]

@@snaildunameriKKKa is the fascist dictatorship it simped for

[@birgitb.5278]

Thank you for your valuable reporting!

[@catloaff]

Just 6 minutes in and this is already an incredible video

[@BlackPhilosophy]

Your work is essential comrade, keep it up!

[@MrBaumGeo]

"Die Linke" has changed it perspective on sanctions on Israel at least. But still some older party members support Israel unconditionally. But the party has changed a lot recently with the exit of all the BSW authoritarianist and populists

[@AmpWave-x9m]

You don't even know that BSW is anti-Israel? Think about it.

[@glapanowski]

Funny because as far as I know, Sahra Wagenknecht is the only prominent German politician who openly calls out Israel on what they do - and yet, you can't stop yourself from crapping on her while giving a pat to Linke.

[@MrBaumGeo]

@@glapanowski because she cant understand in the case of the ukraine war that russia did start that war and needs to be punished for it, and in terms of migration she wants the wrong policies that are not humanitarian imo aswell. It is clear that her solution is populist in terms of seeing what germans want and going with that, and its authoritarian because she clearly doesnt want to punish Putin the warmongor for his war crimes in ukraine adequately.

[@ivanamicimici]

Awesome video!

[@erinaltstadt4234]

I really appreciate the fact that you include your sources

[@Numagus9172]

Germany is a U.S. colony.

[@philippdrescher6012]

At least all those blue voters with their Trump flags wish it was.

[@ReidBottorff]

Great video, Bes!

[@This_One_Guy161]

Very important documentary 👏❤

[@MeleanDialogue]

German government is not interested in preventing racism in general towards non whites and muslims, just does not permit criticism of Israel.

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

Germany is " 120 Jahre fremdbestimmt " Book from Thorsten Schulte. KZbin Chanel Thorsten Schulte Silberjunge:" 120 fremdbestimmt " KZbin Chanel Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "! Nothing is like it seams !

[@DriverKIT]

Not all of us.... Greetings from Germany! Free Palestine! 🕊️

[@LindaYariger]

Tyvm, been trying to figure this out. And your historical analysis is amazing. Really well done, sir!

[@LindaYariger]

It's like mad-dog violence is Israel's PTSD, and misplaced knee-jerk guilt is Germany's PTSD

[@LindaYariger]

One abused child becomes an abuser; another becomes an enabler

[@cylr]

another day, another banger by bes d. marx

[@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189]

German "Leftists" mix Primo Levi and Benjamin. Well... No. Definitely no

[@TheFabledSCP7000]

This is even worse than America

[@ComradeSam_007]

I hope everyone is well 🖤

[@pizdrinkah]

Ireland is quite literally the complete opposite. no matter how far-right someone is here, they're always at least somewhat sympathetic to the Palestine liberation movement and other anti-colonial movements. Thank god we actually know what genocide is and don't have some distorted "genocide is when demographic change in white country" ass view that every other IC (if ireland can be considered IC, which the more you know about the material realities of Ireland, the harder it gets to fit in the categories of IC and IP) country seems to have.

[@Hoonters-goona-Hoont]

Hoiya, I'm mostly uneducated about Ireland and the nuances of it's history and culture, but from the exposure I had, I've always found it to be as you say, what with Ireland being the one "western country" that very clearly and directly had to recover from all the predatory shit the rest of the west did to the most of the rest of the world. Anyway, what are IP and IC countries? I kinda failed to get a conclusive Google check on that. ._.

[@obansrinathan]

@@Hoonters-goona-Hoontimperial core and imperial periphery. I think.

[@inkompetent08]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (as a German leftist)

[@pandora65-hata-no-kokoro]

I really gotta applaud your effort to provide people with the marxist or generally class-conscious outlook on the topics you cover and I have not seen anybody do this as well as you do on KZbin. Are you currently doing the channel besides a job or is it able to finance itself? Definitely considering to support you on patreon

[@cheetooreo6636]

The world is getting a live preview of the average German/Austrian fascist mentality of the 1930s & 40s. They never de-nazified.

[@eriontufa]

We eatin' good with this one

[@TheLeontheking]

I wish the lesson from Germany's past would be to not tolerate any Genocide. Instead, many seem to think they only have to defend Jews but don't have to care about other people.

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

Germany is since the lost wars under foreign goverment and has nothing to decide for his own interests!!!

[@n.nasanguanahano818]

"to not tolerate any Genocide." - does this statement include attempted genocide by the rulers of the Gaza against Jews?

[@TheLeontheking]

@n.nasanguanahano818 Absolutely. But it also includes the rejection of collective punishment of a population for their rulers.

[@n.nasanguanahano818]

@@TheLeontheking Well....Germans have some historic experience regarding collective punishment of a population for their rulers, as most often the innocent population is not quite as innocent, as it seems.

[@nebojsag.5871]

"If the people we genocided also commit genocide, that reverses the badness of our own genocide". Hot damn.

[@mrmonaygaming1464]

your video is framing a such weird, far fetched and at times plainly wrong picture of german politics and culture it’s amazing. Only thing i need to prove this is just by taking a glanz on your comments themselves. They are delusional and crazy.

[@Pseudonym25]

Thanks for this

[@smrzgk]

Imagine siding with the same enemy TWICE

[@cassdoesntpass]

Great video, very very enlightening

[@mandanam.m.1745]

German leftist here ...and I'm massivley disappointed in the left. Even in Gysi who refused to call what is happening in Gaza a massacre.

[@victormeidan1062]

Make a show discussing what is happening in German Christmas markets and those who are the troublemakers.

[@lumpilumpinski9951]

Richard von Weizsäcker was an Wehrmachts Soldat. After Moskow he was in the OKH. Highcomand of the Army.

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

1:18 You can't say much about this guy because he sues everybody but fact is he was arrested with a certain stimulant that is popular for certain activities in an area where very young eastern European guys make a living and he really doesn't like Jamaicans

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

DEFINITELY NOT saying he is a PDF

[@Ahmadabdal_]

Germans be like "we did the best genocide, no other genocide was like this, we were the best at it and now we are saying sorry for it and now we and WE ALONE have authority on calling things genocide" The red army left too soon

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

Germany is since the lost wars under foreign goverment AND HAD NOTHING TO DECIDE FOR HIS OWN INTERESTS. LOOK AT 2015. A SOUVERÄ COUNTRY WOULD'T DO DIS TO HIS OWN COUNTRY !

[@thisrandomdude2880]

The wall should have never fallen.

[@thisrandomdude2880]

@@ergodeus Right, past participle, I always make that silly mistake.

[@bbpoisonn]

Germany should never have been allowed to exist again after ww2

[@utvm6748]

more like the comintern shouldnt have been that autoharian but more liberal leftist

[@lau9076]

​@@thisrandomdude2880What the wall has to do whit this?

[@lau9076]

​@@thisrandomdude2880It is bad to make a wall to separate people from different nations,but is ok to make a wall to separate people of the same nation. Good logic there 👍

[@TheEnginator]

So-called socialist and leftist parties in Germany are pretty far-right compared to parties in other countries.

[@shoxx48]

That sounds like America

[@olivers.7821]

The SPD (the Socialdemocratic Party of Germany) is pretty standard centre left. The Linke (the Left) is anti-capitalist liberal left but lost all of its relevance with infighting and broken hierarchical structures, which often was in conflict with their own moral standards. The BSW (the Alliance Sahra Wagenknecht) is a party centered around the founder Sahra Wagenknecht who is a stalinist and therefore follows politics that are in support of Russia over helping the people in Germany. It is authoritarian left. Lastly, the Grüne (the Greens). They are environmental left. I would say all of them are political left, with the exception of the BSW which has because of the beliefs of its founder more overlap with the far right than the left. Ironically probably the only party some of you would call left out of this list.

[@mooreanonumbers]

Really? Look at what happened to Labour or the french socialist party. Corbyn was even purged because he didn't follow the zionist line(or at least that was the excuse). Socdems turning into neolibs over the past few decades is the rule in Europe rather than the exception.

[@o.w.n.1327]

Okay so I haven't watched the full thing but like at 1:51, are they really that stupid that they see it like a video game logic? Oh I supported Israel now that means I am less ashamed of my past. Fucking hell this is gonna be one hell of a video to watch.

[@rug052]

another banger

[@d.3521]

Whats up with the huge amount of Kurdish flags among Anti Deutsche?

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

A lot of kurds live in germany. And they love to hate on muslims because of turkey, syria, iraq and iran. They are everywhere suppresed by muslims so they tag along. It's a bit more complicated, but well.

[@JonaFaschoschreck161]

A lot of german Anarchists are in support of the PKK, the YPG and Kurdish independence movement. Anti-D's see themselves as Anarchists.

[@angelamerkel222]

i guess its because kurdistan is supported by america

[@mkultraenjoyer]

Turkey

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

basrani simps. they are not on the same ideology as the KCK which is of course against israel.

[@rdallas81]

No mention of Ye z o v or Yagoda? Who was running things in the N k v d? Who executed the Tsar? Look those names up- which some are celebrated in Is ra el today.

[@rdallas81]

❤

[@wtfdoiputhere]

Germany just can't pick the right side of history every time

[@Reppo80085]

LMAO JÜRGEN HABERMAS IS SOUND EXACTLY HOW I IMAGINED HE SOUNDS LIKE BY HIS CROOKED UNEVEN LOWER JAWLINE WITH HAPSBURG CHIN 😂 Edit:- Guys , I just found about this channel and learned about Habermas just today

[@organicod2438]

Anti-Ds would be hilarious if they weren't so disturbing.

[@Phantasmagoria-mo2sz]

I think it’s a little bit unfair to have this one sided discussion of the left in Germany. There are huge internal discussions about Israel. And I think the public opinion is slowly changing. Because the main news source in Germany the “Tagesschau” is reporting on the genocide in Gaza. So are some mainstream newspapers like the “TAZ”

[@yaokene]

I was making fun of zionists on tiktok when one of them asked me to "name a palestinian king". Just an insane goal post move from the question of germans supporting colonialization yet again.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Sounds like you got dunked on lmao 😂

[@GeneralissimusStalin17]

Glorious banger as usual by dear Comrade! And yeah it does seem these GERMs can't learn, from Namibia and Tanzania to World War 2 to now Gaza and Lebanon.

[@numbersix8919]

Thanks for the terrifying true history of Germany.

[@asimomar7505]

Long story short? Propaganda and racism

[@numbersix8919]

Russian foreign policy now includes the principle of "no more interventions in European affairs."

[@vitiviti6548]

Reading the comment sector, and thinking about the fact why folks here are arguing with "me as a german feel shame". Me seems, some ain't able to discuss this very informative essay, which describes what the german governement is doing, without feeling personally upset. As if they were identical with the aims of germany. It looks like a sort of nationalistic point of view: "I need to feel good with how MY government behaves in the world." ... Thanks for this great video, please hurry up with the next one, I need to polish up my arguments against all this!!

[@mek101whatif7]

If you phrase it as "germany" and not as "the german goverment" then of course many will interpret it that way, expecially if you consider 7:30. Then again, most of the social media discourse does a horrible job of distinguishing between the state and the people at large.

[@beatoriche7301]

@@mek101whatif7 A fundamental point that any serious leftist will need to accept, though, is that being German (or any other national form of identification) is a fake identity - and that Germany (and every other capitalist country) is a bourgeois state representing only a particular ruling class. If you're an everyday person living in Germany, and you say something like "As a German, I'm ashamed of what my government is doing" or whatever, you clearly buy into the idea that the German state does indeed represent you and that you have some kind of deeper connection to an instrument of bourgeois class rule. In a First-World context (and in many countries outside of the First World, too), nationalism is the primary narrative of propaganda to subjugate the masses, and while most people will, to some extent, have been indoctrinated with it (meaning this is certainly not an indictment of well-meaning people in this comments section), it's certainly worth pointing out that even left-leaning people are still strongly caught up in this framework.

[@vitiviti6548]

@@mek101whatif7 I don't agree, IF your last sentences are aiming to blame some sort of "manipulation" through media. It rather looks plausible to me that most of the population in germany have decided to characterise installed living circumstances as a heap of chances to reach goals in their lives. They are referring positively to the circumstances. And they are referring positively to "their" government as well because he is the one who guarantees the circumstances they happily can compete within. The next conclusion (!) for a nationalist is to stand up for his country, even if killing is included. In that way nationalists feel identical with the reasoning of their government, and they feel shame, if their germany looks "bad" in the eyes of other imperialistic players.

[@poserGirl863]

How about instead of making antisemitism some vague political buzzword, Germany actually somehow dealt with the very real antisemitism in its population. I went to school in Germany and I have heard „du Jude“ ( you Jew) as an insult and heard the undesired last sip of a beer or spezi (you know, the one that people say is mostly saliva) referred to as the „Judenschluck“ (Jew sip) and things like that rather frequently.

[@Layd36]

The irony is Germans are still anti-semite but now chose a different semite as their target i.e the Arabs instead of Jews, they surely do carry their hate towards brown people eventually

[@SamJaffna]

dissappointd with ghermany

[@ArmageddonAfterparty]

I would argue that supporting a vash-jist janosssssidal App hard-heid system (ai concealment speak) automatically makes you the extreme right, not left.

[@dropyourself]

Bro that's wild. I think aprthd and gcid works

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

They are under foreign controll! GERMANY HAD LOST THE LAST WORS AND HAS NOTHING TO DECIDE !!!

[@Hoonters-goona-Hoont]

I am still super confused and reeling from this paradigm shift. Being a bit older, I grew up with "free palestine" being the antifa thing to say, simply for the fact that in this particular dynamic, Palestine is the oppressed party both materially and international-outreach-wise, removed from deeper cultural considerations regarding Germany's own past. Palestine was simply the underdog most deserving of solidarity in this particular dynamic so to speak. Of course, As today, for most it was just a shallow talking point and an excuse to shout this phrase or that buzzword on demonstrations, and feel justified wearing those way-too-cool looking scarves(Kuuffiyeh). Anyway, It feels to me like this sentiment turned by 180 degrees almost overnight, and everybody just went "okay, guess we're for this side now", and I would simply love to know who started that and who was threatening enough that everybody up and adopted this complete face-heel turn without critically examining and debating it first at large. It's honestly terrifying to me, how much power strawman arguments like "You're the essence of all the evil you purport to fight if you don't adopt this view unquestioningly right now" still hold.

[@LDFeyre]

It's such a shame! I'm a german leftie and I feel so embarresed for my "fellow lefties". My country hasn't learn anything....

[@KevinPascal-lv9xr]

es ist mir egal (I don't care)

[@Dorian_sapiens]

I assume the answer is the obvious one―but it doesn't take 30 minutes to say "lingering guilt from the H-word". So I guess I better watch to find out the (REAL) reason.

[@joelreidy2585]

They can see what’s happening…they’ve been through it

[@magnusmauritz8191]

Banger 🔥

[@yutanarkavich]

I like Germany only in WW2 games.

[@erinaltstadt4234]

Thank you

[@derfret1365]

On the 3rd of october, the german state and it's patriotic bootlikers celebrated the "unification" of Germany. Germany was split in two in a response to its own crimes. Four days later, people in Gaza took down a border fence that was imposed on them, after their people were split into at least four sections, for the single crime of living on land that zionists wanted to colonise. Of course, the german press didn't see any of this. They called it an unprovoked attack, motivated by nothing but their supposed hatred for jews. Yes, german propaganda is entirely calculated. But it also only works because the german public is entirely underinformed about Palestine, the german war aims in eastern Europe, the Ghettos, the scramble for Africa. And yet, hearing the same few informations about Nazi Germany over and over again makes them think they know more than anyone else, and unfortunately well-meaning liberals outside feed into this delusion by looking up to Germany as some sort of positive example. What frightens me is, if germans actually saw the things for how they actually are, I think they'd rather drop their red, green, yellow and black exterior and just become open and proud Nazis instead of standing for any of the principles they claim and getting rid of their internal german exceptionalism

[@victormeidan1062]

Nope. Arab Naatseeism is almost as bad the original.

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

The German Politik is since the lost wars under foreign goverment!!! KZbin Kanal von Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil " NOTHING IS LIKE IT SEAMS!!!

[@calicocat8213]

​@@victormeidan1062Why insist on flaunting your ignorance - haven't you even heard of Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz and the term he coined? Look it up, old chap. You'd be also well advised to re-read Jabotinsky's 1923 "Iron Wall", in which he clearly and repeatedly - though of course approvingly - calls the Z-ï-0-ñ-îßt Project a COLONIZATION, against the will and well-being of the existing, NATIVE population, who "will continue to resist as long as there remains a tiniest spark of hope of regaining their NATIVE land".

[@AmpWave-x9m]

So you think Gazans can just storm the fence without consequences?

[@calicocat8213]

@AmpWave-x9m So you think the Z-ï-0-ñ-îßts can just keep on "Mowing the Lawn", sniping and killing or permanently maiming unarmed women, children, the disabled in their wheelchairs, the double amputees on their crutches, over the years on end WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES? The cynical, cold-blooded, barbaric, terrorist murder of Count Folke Bernadette, for which you have never been held accountable and which you lied and weaseled your way out of emboldened you, did it not?

[@brokkrep]

I hear far-left supporting Palestine. Was nun?

[@Layd36]

Anything better than far right i.e fascism

[@janekmatyjaszczyk5647]

Love you

[@VielfältigEinfältig]

It's so sad to see how the leftists in Germany break again because of this, they are criticised for beeing anti-Semitic because of their engagement towars the palestenian liberation and are dismissed by a lot of people for their solidarity with israel - that's the much bigger part in public. It breaks my heart. I criticise in both directions but mostly the anti d's who dismiss every action for freedom that includes acknowledging the crimes of Israel. What i critise about the others is that they fall into blind "fuck Israel" rhetoric (international problem) i know the reasons for it but as a leftist i don't see any reason for any countrie to exist but i also don't hate one single one and i won't say any countrie deserves existence less. We have to accept this fact to reuinite and find a solution for everyone. Leftist should hate the concepts and structures like nationalism, racism, colonialism but never the countrie or the people, we fight for the people and id wish we would not segregate like it's a football game.

[@VielfältigEinfältig]

I MEANT SOCCER GOSH I'M SO GERMAN

[@garaznisokak4295]

Its so sad to see both-sideism between a genocidal, apartheid collonialism and its victims presented as normal rational stance. How are even supposed radical left Germans the purest liberals. Please learn the difference between a state and a country. Should apartheid South Africa, with far more mild policies, should not be abolished? Is there two sides for that also? Israel must be dismantled as a state as it is only current regime with racial, religious and ideological supremacy written into their laws, and the only current regime genociding and colonizing a population. People who you just cant see as equals from what i read.

[@fun_ghoul]

12:27 _See also: "Jaroslav Hunka Scandal"_

[@amirmmrez]

you are really on point. btw, iranian revolution song is a banger I was so shocked hearing it haha. as a forigner I feel german left lacks the materialistic understanding and is too moral and idealistic based plus as 23:28 saying this viewpoint causes them to still feel mythical deep inside.

[@موسى_7]

being moralistic is not the problem, it's their morals which are wrong

[@JuanFranciscoErrobidartGornik]

East Germany is the best Germany

[@موسى_7]

no, because it's still German

[@lau9076]

East germany voted afd,and they are pro israel 🙄

[@jamesbreeden9016]

Jew is not a race but a spiritual title of someone who seeks inwardly for God. Romans 2:28-29. 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[@janekmundt579]

Tbf all the left leaning germans i know have stopped supporting antifa. The decision to support Isael split the german left into pieces...

[@BesDMarx]

The actual German left is antizionist (tautology), and most German self-described antifas I know are also pro-Palestine. The pro-Israel "antifa" is a sect that's getting smaller and smaller and has increasingly merged with the German establishment, which is why discourse is affected negatively and to the right of the rest of the world (maybe except Austria).

[@swagatochatterjee7104]

@@BesDMarx tbh Die Linke is seeing a lot of its members leaving after them trying and kicking out Ramsis Kilani. So maybe this is a transformative change.

[@DerMarxRegeltDas]

Well it didn't split, because any Zionist movement that claims to be leftist, isn't leftist to start with.

[@JonaFaschoschreck161]

​@swagatochatterjee7104 To be fair Die Linke does not really represent the actual german leftist movement. They are more like a big tent somewhat left-lening party with some amount of liberal anti-capitalist tendencies. Most leftist that actually vote either vote them for being the least evil or vote minor parties.

[@rapidrat]

Because they are not left at all!

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

In Austria it is also bad, but not Germany-levels bad. German policy towards Israel is just a bad joke.

[@eli-ld]

thank you so much for this video. it‘s a very important conversation and i hope many german people see it!! this kinda sentiment makes it so hard for me to talk about this with people of older generations. especially my mom and i had a lot of arguments about this, but she has since come to see my point partly. i hope that i can use some of the info/ talking points in this video to further convince her. thank you for all the work you do it truly impacts a lot of people!🫶🏻

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

Thank you again. Maybe i can use this video for some of my german peers. But i fear they are too far gone.