Why Goku CAN'T Use God Forms in Dragon Ball Daima…

[@Leo-iZ177]

well according to people like DBS Chronicles who's information has been very reliable so far apparently there is goingto be a new transformation in DB Daima also ssj4 was designed by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru not Akira Toriyama

[@BZUltimix]

Just because it wasn't created by him doesn't mean he didn't like nor approve it

[@RiptideWasTakenYT]

You spoke about Uncharted Energy Sources at 3:32 and one key example of this is Goku Black. He pulled Super Saiyan Rose out of nowhere and its never fully stated what it really is. (I think its a god in a Saiyan's body using SSJ with the god ki they had when they were a god. The reason Goku Black used SSJ in the manga was because he never got used to his new mortal body until then.) Forms like these could be used as ideas when thinking about new forms after base mastery.

[@Rain593]

The manga explains Rosé as Zamasu'a version of Blue

[@michaelofrandom653]

My guess is that when Goku and everybody got turned into kids by whatever force, they also had their power stripped away from them as well and became weaker. Which is probably why Goku and Vegeta won't be able to use their God forms, or even go Super Saiyan perhaps.

[@Luhlwill]

Imagine everyone stems off believing it would lead after super is crazy because what if it really starts after the buu saga😭😭

[@TheFirstRedFlag]

that would be sooo ass

[@jax3845]

I wouldn't mind it being between end of buu saga and super

[@riicky83]

You know they'll never get rid of Transformations for Goku and Vegeta, they've gotta keep making merchandise to sell and nothing sell more than those two with new forms.

[@tntking_7302]

I do hope they hint that he remembers Bardock, even if it's just a little bit.

[@Charliebzo]

Super did that in the manga so I hope they keep that when it’s animated. He heard Bardock’s voice from the scouter and froze. I got so hype 😂

[@thekidwiththehoodie_1897]

ssj4 wasnt created by toriyama

[@AnimatedReCreation]

I think you're right 💯

[@lucidmind9676]

I was just about to comment this, SSJ4 was Nakatsuru’s idea

[@Dean123123100]

The idea behind it wasn't, the design was.

[@yoshter135]

@@Dean123123100nope, Nakatsuru designed it too

[@dalewilliams4451]

@@Dean123123100 both weren't akira toriyama's first drawing of ssj4 is from recentish years in a interview where he did a quick sketch for fans.

[@jozuo09]

YO BRO WAKE UP THE GOAT JUST POSTED 🗣‼

[@MajinBird]

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[@RiptideWasTakenYT]

GET TF UP NOW

[@mepzerok]

Wasn't confirmed that Daima is just before Battle of Gods?

[@wingedhussar1453]

Funny ive ben saying this years ago for them to fit gt into with super they would have to wish or get rid of god ki for the universe

[@Hueypersuades]

you just gained another sub fr fr.

[@PuppyGeneral]

Shouldn't they get back their tail since their body was literally turned back in time

[@inferstrike3544]

Nice video bro!

[@MajinBird]

Appreciate it

[@samburgerwithcheeze8145]

I dont doubt daima is gonna give Goku a new form but my theory is what ever made Goku a kid again actually reverts him into a kid, not just a kid phyiscally. Like he has the same body he has as a kid in og dragon ball, and his power level is not high enough to reach SSJ or blue(remember kid Goku's power level wasnt even at 1000) so even if he tried he couldnt. Back to my original thought, i think Toriyama is gonna attempt to make SSJ4 canon. Im not saying 100% he will but he _could_ just like how he made broly canon. He wont make it 1 to 1 like the original SSJ4 but take traits from it to make a new one. I also dont think the dragon balls were used to make them a kid, i think dark magic is and the scene of them being used is them wishing to be adults again but the dragon can't. People also keep saying its before super, but dont realize in thr first 10 episode of super supreme kai is still fused and didnt get unfused until u7 vs u6.

[@crestofhonor2349]

I personally think Daima will have no transformations by the few trailers we've gotten. I think this series will ditch them for some story reason and give a reason why Goku and Vegeta can't access these forms. Maybe it'll make some of the humans actually useful in battle. I want to see Yamucha in a fight again an actually be taken seriously as he really should have been in the TOP not Roshi.

[@rylo2428]

Goten and trunks were able to tap into ssj power so I don’t see why goku or vegeta (kid form) wouldn’t be able to tap into previously obtained power

[@mistermars9534]

Honestly hope they'll lose the god powers when they return to their normal forms. Its become too much with these over the top powers levels just for the sake of selling stuff. Looking at you orange Picollo and Beast Gohan. The god powers in the movie were fine as a one off to fight Beerus. But then its evolved even more and then Vegeta got it too making it less special already. Then came Ultra Instict which was amazing because of the fact that it wasnt even a real transformation and only Goku had it. And then Vegeta got a new shade of blue to stay even. And then Gohan the anti fighter went OP for no reason other than to please fans. People can hate GT all they want but SSJ4 to me is and always will be so much cooler. Especially the design.

[@Charliebzo]

My personal theory is this: Toriyama is old. He’s going to retire soon. Fans around the world know his work and Dragon Ball has been his biggest success. Wouldn’t you want to go out with a bang? I think the movies, side series, and even animation experiments are him just having his last hoorah. It’s been announced that the plans have been laid for the next 10 years of DB content. Just going off of averages, there is a high chance that Toriyama won’t see all of it. He’ll be 79 by the end of the planned calendar. I say whatever this series ends up being, let the master work, and enjoy his work. This is literally his life long passion project. Kick back and enjoy.

[@ZeronTracks]

this right here

[@Red7Ent]

Why does everyone assume that Goku can’t reach MUI, SSG, and a myriad of other undisclosed transformations when the series finale of DBZ comes along? This is so silly. Everyone keeps making a big deal about that, but End of Z definitely leaves room for all of Super. Only GT precludes the transformations in Super.

[@vegitobluekkx2069]

rip kaiju universe you will be missed by the way i had seen an italian youtuber saying thath dbs for him never happened like its after z

[@pjen7198]

I don’t want god forms I want saiyan forms

[@domultrabrogetajohn]

I think toriyama is trying appealing to younger fans

[@BZUltimix]

It only makes sense that Goku loses God ki since End Of Z and GT doesn't have him go Ultra Instinct, unless they remake either series. I highly doubt the studio would ever care to rewrite what has already been established for decades. . Because of Daima DBS would be considered filler despite having massive hype for it, which would mean Goku's Full Power at the very end of the full story is DBS Base Goku & not god level. Strong but not OP as his creator, Akira Toriyama, wanted to firmly represent and I believe that is the best place for Goku to be 👍

[@leosnyder5264]

They're not going to do that that would be stupid as hell yeah let's kitco on a peaceful and make him happy because it's not cocky and then let's take away Google but you just Powers so they could be weak as heck won't go on stay strong that would be domb

[@crestofhonor2349]

GT and Super are completely different time lines and bringing them together makes no sense. Besides UI doens't require God ki as it's a technique not a transformation

[@BZUltimix]

@@crestofhonor2349 This statement is 100% baseless since Majuub exists in both End of Z and GT, and he was also briefly mentioned in DBS by Piccolo of all people. . If you can't put two & two together as simple as that then I'm gonna assume some of you still don't care about context details in any way, shape or form...

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@BZUltimix GT still has Kibito kai fused because previously they believed it was permanent and they could never be defused. Why in the world would they fuse again just so GT can happen? It's not baseless. Daima takes place during or after Super and there is no point in trying to make it seem like it doesn't. End of Z Goku not using any god form is meaningless because he doesn't use super saiyan either. He didn't need to use it against his opponents

[@BZUltimix]

@@crestofhonor2349 First off, don't mention Kibito Kai since they weren't part of the comment in the first place. Second, I was already aware that Daima took place somewhere in between Super and End of Z, which is why I referred DBS as nothing more than "filler" now. . And thirdly you're right about Goku not needing to transform, but instead he just wants to and can do it whenever he feels like it. Didn't need to use SSJ against Uub because he was merely testing Uub to see how their off screen training would be like. Goku did need to transform again when he got turned back into a kid though, and you should know that he did go SSJ3 in his child-like state right?

[@AstroKaijen]

Daima just comes before super happens, that’s kinda it i guess…

[@samburgerwithcheeze8145]

Well the thing is Supreme kai debunks this because he unfuses during super, not before.

[@juanrocky8147]

​@@samburgerwithcheeze8145he does in dbz.

[@samburgerwithcheeze8145]

@@juanrocky8147 I mean unfuses

[@crestofhonor2349]

It has to take place after DBZ since it's no longer Kibito Kai as they are unfused from each other like in Super. He fuses during the Buu arc so they aren't two separate beings for long

[@haydenwozere]

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[@Zeni7838]

i really want goku To get some level of magic since the series is about the kais

[@omnijonn277]

Daima is before end of z no wonder they wont transform

[@kyosnk40]

Daima specifically takes place before battle of gods. It's no wonder goku and vegeta won't use God forms. Now, super saiyan is a different story.

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@kyosnk40 It cannot take place before Battle of Gods. Kibito Kai is defused implying it takes place during or after Super

[@azahroon]

Why are goku and vegeta kids in daima

[@jollygoodfellow3957]

5:22 Myriad(Meer-ee-ad) not My-rad.

[@MajinBird]

Yeah, you're right

[@ssjdjpd5756]

the fact that we dont see any of the gods in both trailers because Daima is clearly set after buu arc and before super. this show cant be after super since it wouldnt make sense and why would toriyama jump ahead to a different part of the story while making DBS. sure there isnt any kind of reference about daima being before super since it clearly wasn't planned that way but its the only logical explination

[@Charliebzo]

Agreed. It’s possible either way since Toriyama has shown us plenty of times that power levels, timelines, and consistency doesn’t matter as much as enjoying the action, but I do think it’s before Super time wise too. Im imagining Daima to be how the original movies were, all what if scenarios just for fun.

[@dragon_gaming123]

I'm viewer type C. Just both

[@Ringoismybirdo]

The original author is now dead so this is probably gonna be the downfall of the series well the final thing before the downfall

[@elsaseife3138]

This is xeno goku

[@rablank4640]

db daima just happens bettteen kid buus defeat and bog 😅

[@MajinBird]

Really??? that makes so much sense

[@rablank4640]

@@MajinBird proof of that is on the first trailer, where they show the demons looking at some videos, that shows only dbz

[@crestofhonor2349]

It can't happen that way. Kibito kai is unfused and that happens after BoG

[@norysmo]

@@crestofhonor2349It is still possible that it does indeed take place before the events of Battle of Gods And that it could just be chopped up to the studio forgetting, or just really not caring, and keeping the Kai unfused for the purpose of this new filler story Does it make sense? Not really But this isn’t the first time DragonBall has done this- hell I wouldn’t be surprised if Toriyama forgot about that fusion-

[@TheDarkWallChris]

Mee-ree-uhd

[@mrrictus]

Meer-ee-ad

[@piccolorick1191]

GT better than super hands down.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Super is better than GT

[@SANA-ADORN]

@@crestofhonor2349Gt better

[@Tdh222]

I'm pretty sure Daima was confirmed to happen before Battle Of Gods...

[@MajinBird]

There currently isnt a confirmation on the timeline. and Supreme kai being unfused in the trailers kinda confirms its most likely after since they were still fused until BOG was over

[@gilzineto]

Daima is not super time-line. It's a different time-line and it's after boo saga.

[@MajinBird]

Yeah someone else just said that, Now I feel kinda dumb 😂

[@crestofhonor2349]

It is Super's Time line though. Why else would the two kai be defused

[@gilzineto]

@crestofhonor2349 because they wanted them defused, same reason why they wanted them defused for Super(Toryama didn't like them when they were fused) if that's all the evidence you have to it being super time-line it's a very weak one... I have a better one, the people who made it said so!

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@gilzineto You have even weaker evidence for it not taking place in Super's timeline. There's nothing that suggests it doesn't take place in Super's timeline at all

[@gilzineto]

@@crestofhonor2349 the creators said so