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[@Klosterhasi]

this the type of stuff you need 20 years of dev experience to fully understand

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

it only can be achieved by experience

[@orbatos]

You can substitute academic experience

[@fus3n]

​@@orbatosdoes academic experience also provide bitches

[@technologykid7041]

@@orbatoseh

[@orbatos]

@@technologykid7041 Never been in a logic or math heavy CS program, research outfit, or supercomputing environment have you.

[@GiorgosXou]

Bro did the "ADHD subway surfers video split"

[@desmondwilson3416]

And it's always him configuring harpoon

[@RealityRogue]

Shit you’re totally right, that IS what’s going on. It works.

[@flor.7797]

Omg I don’t even as long as it moves 😂😂

[@jiraibozo]

C++ is the most language created

[@HabibiGib]

One of the languages of all time

[@tc2241]

And C is the language’s language.

[@mac.ignacio]

Assembly

[@TehKarmalizer]

It certainly feels that way. Deliberately designed to pad keystrokes.

[@noel2071]

C++ is the most programming-languagy programming language created, where as c is the most programmatically programming-langualaggery programming language that was ever white-papered.

[@camo3384]

Java certainly is a language that has been created

[@realmofAsher]

I can tell you are most informed about this subject

[@TheAtticus82]

The most language of all time

[@camo3384]

@@realmofAsher thank you, I have the usually required 90 years of experience (i'm 20)

[@complexity5545]

JavaScript is currently better than Java. Java is the worst language I have every used. Too many non-intuitive burns. I rather code in brainF*ck than Java. I hate java with a passion.

[@meltygear5955]

Java and C# are the most money language that have been created

[@rannsakanda]

that's why I do everything directly with electricity, no bs, straight to the point

[@sacredgeometry]

Why the needless analog abstraction. I prefer to do it with physical mechanisms like switches, levers and pulleys.

[@drxyd]

Don't you just hate it when your electrons overflow?

[@paradoxx_4221]

Bro is coding in binary

[@user-wr2cd1wy3b]

This dude* is coding in binary. Bros without an article before subject don't normally understand how to code. And no he's using electricity itself. That might be analog for all we know. Or it just be him holding a thick cord and wildly zapping shit everywhere like an out-of-control firehose.

[@paradoxx_4221]

@@user-wr2cd1wy3b 🤓

[@immortalaxolotl]

Bro is typing with his mind

[@olliert4840]

10 years of vim btw

[@justsomeguy8385]

that's impossible. He's probably using his feet.

[@minnow1337]

is lua supposed to replace subway surfers

[@nyantheburrito839]

yes

[@g33xzi11a]

Go is not mid. Go is the Ruby tinted nostalgia glasses for people who sharpened their teeth on C but now they’re remembering all the things they didn’t like about it of languages. Go is the World of Warcraft Classic with Modern Addons and a 16:9 aspect ratio of programming languages.

[@sedrafearl8318]

God DAMN! Look at what you did man! He's dead, you killed him! Ngl that stung, but its so true xD

[@griof]

As a Haskell enthusiast, I'd love to write a white paper

[@jvcmarc]

love how you said haskell enthusiast and not haskell programmer

[@sacredgeometry]

@@jvcmarc Haskell programmers dont exist. No-ones paying you to write that garbage.

[@orbatos]

@@sacredgeometry Hey now, Haskell programmers might but exist, but computer science research is often written in Haskell. That was the point.

[@sacredgeometry]

@@orbatos I mean it was a joke but you just proved my point.

[@orbatos]

@@sacredgeometry What I said was a comedic truth, you were not joking.

[@physicalist_codes]

All the other Haskell nerds out there: There are dozens of us! Dozens!!!

[@jeffparent2159]

So far it looks like only 11 of us

[@Satook]

This is awesome. Simon Peyton-Jones (major contributor in the FP/Haskell/language space) mentioned off-hand in a recent interview “Artefacts are temporary, papers are forever” (I might bae that slightly off) And he’s not event wrong, the research that was developed out of GHC and Haskell has changed the mainstream tremendously. It’s the intellectual contributions that will be meaningful forever.

[@sergisimon9620]

As a Haskell enthusiast, I think we need more monads transformers to be adopted by the industry

[@eliriekeberg7127]

The fact that I can’t tell if this is serious or satirical is hilarious

[@Alguem387]

All languages could use the mighty burrito transformer

[@Karakatiza666]

Tell that to Roclang

[@LukusCannon]

A monad is simply a monoid in the category of endofunctors

[@josephvictory9536]

​@@LukusCannonah yes, simply

[@paperstars9078]

prolog is the most true language

[@andantebass6113]

As a Go user I can solidly comfirm that it is mid, and that's why I love it.

[@malikkissoum730]

Python is the best and worst at the same time until you observe it.

[@Kyoz]

Very well put. Edit: The only thing I would add is that C is the most balance language between size of your toolset, and efficiency of code. You can make a smaller toolset than C, but it will not be much better than C itself. You can maybe create a language that is a bit more efficient than C, but not without some increase in code needed. Assembly, of course, can be faster than C, which is why I think it should be used for optimizing algorithms that you have already written in C or as inline code. Assembly produces 3x more code than C. Therefore, write in C, optimize in assembly.

[@aziz0x00]

Roasting all elite programming languages in less than 30seconds

[@StarsOfMinecrafttr]

you call python elite? it is thrash

[@sebastianpusch3592]

​@@StarsOfMinecrafttrstandard for ML trash or not it is elite

[@j.r.r.tolkien8724]

​@@sebastianpusch3592Still trash.

[@kneza96BG]

​@@StarsOfMinecrafttrcry all you want,it is still an industry standard in ml and data science

[@aziz0x00]

slaaaayyyyyyyyyyy@@kneza96BG

[@AnnasVirtual]

c# is the most sharp language ever created

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

You can see the sharp

[@talesvinicius598]

What about F#

[@joshuawillis7874]

​@@talesvinicius598definitely the most F language of all of them.

[@__christopher__]

@@talesvinicius598 That surely is effing sharp.

[@penguinmonk7661]

Meanwhile my brother is using Haskell to create liquid type verification for hardware security, an extremely useful application requiring quite a fast code base AND I STILL AGREE.

[@excelmaster2496]

Assembly is the language created

[@mekelius]

As someone who's spent like over 50% of my past week making a game in haskell I 100% agree. The most productive portion of that time has definitely been taking notes on the side for my essay on why ad hoc polymorphism is good actually.

[@user-tx4wj7qk4t]

Every language has adhoc polymorphism and that was the main selling point of oop. You don't know what you're talking about and neither does prime

[@mekelius]

@@user-tx4wj7qk4t What on earth are you talking about? There's loads of languages with no ad hoc polymorphism.

[@user-tx4wj7qk4t]

@@mekelius name 1 mainstream language that doesn't, id love to hear it

[@mekelius]

@@user-tx4wj7qk4t Ok it depends on the definition. I was kinda thinking in terms of arbitrary function or operator overloading, but now that I think about it, most languages have duck typing, typeof, some overloaded operators etc. Haskell wiki calls typeclasses ad hoc as well, but personally they feel very different to me. Like, would you call inheritance ad hoc? Maybe technically sure, you can use it like that if you really want to, but Idk. Maybe it should be called something like structured polymorphism, since it's explicitly designed to push you to use different more structured style. Idk. Fine point taken, I was thinking too narrow.

[@mekelius]

And let me clarify pre-emptively, I know haskell typeclasses have nothing to do with inheritance.

[@tonyb3123]

I write Haskell not because I'm some elite academic that writes and publishes advanced type theory papers. I write Haskell because I know it will make people THINK i can do any of that. Its the British accent of programming languages.

[@HappyCheeryChap]

Which language do you reckon is the Australian accent of programming languages?

[@ehproghat1028]

@@HappyCheeryChapC purely through the arduino IDE

[@codingwalnuthindi6984]

​@@ehproghat1028 I object to that. C is God, Australia is not.

[@adlex1212]

@@HappyCheeryChap ocaml.

[@insertoyouroemail]

​@@adlex1212 OCaml is French.

[@SumanthLingappa]

Prime, I love your videos. One question. Why do you hate Python so deeply?

[@bentleysayer5812]

Akshually Haskell is a very productive language

[@azeek]

JavaScript is a sucker language ever created and I love it

[@j.r.r.tolkien8724]

JavaScript gets things done. It might be the greatest language ever created despite the shortcomings.

[@zoriiginalx7544]

​@@j.r.r.tolkien8724it's so ass but alright

[@hanhthien2948]

​@@j.r.r.tolkien8724Typescript way better tbh...

[@timothydebord892]

@@j.r.r.tolkien8724apparently the minimum standard of getting things done makes it amazing.. good to know

[@balen7555]

@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Gets things done after millions of patches and bolt-on funded by millions of dollars because it historically was the only option for the frontend. Let's not act like JS 'gets things done' "naturally"; it's from desperation and necessity, and with it has come countless nightmares and innumerable manhours sank into it. All of which could've been prevented, but alas software development was a new field then and undeveloped.

[@DrNabeel20]

The thing I hate the most about Go is that its website is blocked in my country like anything Google makes.

[@RaulRodriguez-bg2lq]

I really like your content man always providing the best insight in every video. Keep it up, wish you the bezt

[@austinbowling3590]

And c is the most language ever created

[@ARKSYN]

This is your best take I’ve seen. So accurate

[@willd4686]

I'm teaching myself Haskell

[@The8merp]

Why is Puthon catching heat here, its got a nice easy to pick up syntax, with little to no boilerplate, it's great for practicing LeetCode and as a glue language, rapid prototyping language and Data Science stuff

[@sedrafearl8318]

Sure, but that's the thing. You said it yourself it's a glue language or prototype language. You wouldn't generally want to use it as your final version, because it's slow and poorly optimized thats what makes it "bad" as a language, but still very useful and good when used in the proper applications

[@Sglman]

"Python is the best, worst language ever created" Javascript has entered the chat.

[@FinalSentinel]

JavaScript is just the worst, worst language ever created

[@bgill7475]

Typescript is disgusting.

[@asdfghyter]

@@FinalSentinel no, that’s php

[@Leonardodeboni0406]

​​@@asdfghyteryeah, my Little experience With php sucked hard

[@d3stinYwOw]

@@asdfghyter TS is worse. PHP got 1000x better.

[@jkennethking]

Hah, Haskell is the most mid FP language. If you want white papers you have to be in Agda, Coq, or Lean. 🤣

[@evandrofilipe1526]

No Idris :(

[@terryriley6410]

Exactly, this guy has no idea about FP. His opinion boils down to "first class functions were hard to debug when I used them in JS, therefore FP sucks".

[@user-tx4wj7qk4t]

​@@terryriley6410he has like 100 videos on fp where he clearly shows he literally has no idea what he's talking about and his lowiq audience just goes with it

[@TechBuddy_]

Lol the first in the background is crazy lmao 🤣

[@worgenzwithm14z]

Applicative parsers and things like Either and Maybe make it so nice to write code Still writing Typescript in my day job of course hehe

[@Sway55]

I love how bro single handedly roasts like 5 communities in a single sentence 😂

[@m.x.]

Reinventing the wheel again and again.

[@gabriell.1437]

Found the python programmer

[@YoutubeWatcher3566]

Started learning go, so far really feeling at home with this language.

[@v0id_d3m0n]

I feel like Haskell shares that "btw" title xD

[@lambdaway]

"work" here means fixing bugs and writing tests :)

[@chang112x]

Haskell is like chess, it empowers your brain

[@Iron-Griffon]

I learned Java in middle school, but I created so much bloat it would crash the school computer... i think i can still get a job at Activision though.

[@vernonalbayeros4719]

I didn't expect to be called out this hard today

[@michaelmueller9635]

Haskell is about abstraction.

[@bilbo_gamers6417]

to this man, a data scientist using python must be like your boss coming to work in his pajamas

[@HoSza1]

lo and behold a perfectly fine standup comedian for coders

[@InferiorPotassium93]

This is somewhat true. Go is productive because it’s lack of features forces you to write code and not focus on abstractions. Haskell is fun though and when you get something solved it’s generally pretty nice

[@Boxing_Gamer]

I created my companies entire backend in Haskel, I've never completed a project of that magnitude this fast, and with almost no bugs. It was an absolute joy to work with. Don't be mistaken, Haskell is used and when it is, it's incredible. Now I use rust because I have to, and its a close 2 to haskell. But beat it it can never.

[@majorhumbert676]

I agree. Pure functional programming is amazing and it's sad to see that so many people are dismissive of this paradigm.

[@samuraijosh1595]

I don't believe you

[@evandrofilipe1526]

​@@samuraijosh1595 try it yourself

[@bjorn_vk27]

I need a reverse compiler to watch prime has said😮😅

[@jonesjohnson6301]

Can you guys explain to noobs like me what is meant by Go being mid and Python being "best worst"? Doesn’t best worst equate to mid? Also why is Rust by the way?

[@trevsguitarstash4967]

Instructions unclear: now i code in java

[@NostraDavid2]

No cap: Learn Haskell to understand Functional Programming and thus Javascript, Python and more, on a deeper level. Its also great at creating very clean, very readable parsers.

[@Boxing_Gamer]

It's the best at creating everything really, unless you need something that is super performant. In that era it easily destroys javascript, python and every vm language out there.

[@vitalyl1327]

Use PEG to write parsers, compile PEG to whatever you can run (but, ideally, something imperative, something with `goto` to run FSMs faster). Parsing combinators are fun, but not practical at all.

[@petersansgaming8783]

Or Ocaml. Learnt both and I am really having a lot of fun with Ocaml, though it is definitely not a pure FP language.

[@conundrum2u]

I'd say Elixir is a better introductory functional programming language. Lots of college courses agree

[@majorhumbert676]

What is the point of impure functional programming languages? What compels me to switch to functional programming languages are the compile-time guarantees that the purity gives.

[@mx2000]

C++ is the most programming-language programming language. It does low-level, high-level, everything in between, and supports all the concepts (as long as they can be compiled into a static binary).

[@Beryesa.]

What does white paper reference to 😅

[@goobus_floobus]

Can someone explain what a by-the-way language is?

[@worgenzwithm14z]

It's a language that you just HAVE to tell people you use, it's kind of like veganism

[@hanhthien2948]

The want to be C type of language...

[@brinckau]

You're welcome.

[@adriancruz2822]

Didn't have to do haskell like that

[@birkinsornberger263]

I’ve been learning Python for about a year now and I definitely plan on continuing with it. But I’m curious cause I don’t see people talking about it often, is C still worth learning at some point? It seems really interesting, the simplicity seems appealing. Is it a useful language in 2023?

[@lozyodella4178]

C Is everything but simple, and yes it still being widely used

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Horses for courses. Use languages that fit your use case. Don't use C for LOB work, and don't use Python/Ruby for high performance games. Be a polyglot, and learn when and where to yield all the langs you know.

[@jeffwells641]

@@lozyodella4178 It depends on what you mean by "simple". C is one of the simplest modern languages. Building anything substantial with it, however, is extremely difficult, because C's definition of a "convenience" is things like for loops, if statements, and pointers. That's kind of what makes it simple. Another way of putting it: C the language is very simple (a tiny fraction of the size and feature set of C++). C programs, however, are extremely complicated. IMO it's good to learn the basics of C just to get an understanding of what all the other languages are doing "under the hood", so to speak: C is essentially the minimum high level language necessary to do anything that a program is capable of doing. Most modern languages were prototyped in C before they developed their own robust compilers and interpreters (depending on the style). Learning how to write programs in C will teach you how to do all the things a modern language does automatically, and so can help you troubleshoot unexpected behaviors when e.g. the garbage collector in Python does something you don't expect. That said I wouldn't want to or try to program a major project in C unless you're aiming to do some really low-level systems work, like contributing to the Linux kernel or something like that. Even regular systems programming I think you should use Go instead of C. But learning how C works is definitely good knowledge to have.

[@majorhumbert676]

When you've learned enough languages, you won't have to worry about having learned the wrong language. Various programming languages are used for different niches. What kind of programming are you interested in? Python tends to be used by numeric computation. C tends to be used for embedded systems. C++ for desktop games. JavaScript and TypeScript for web applications. Lots of different languages are used for web server applications. I'd recommend learning a bit of C. It's a simple language, so it won't take long to learn the language itself, but you'll learn a lot about how computers work on a fundamental level. I'd also recommend learning a bit of pure functional programming, because that will teach you how to structure your code, and to write scalable and maintainable applications (even if you end up writing code in a non-pure functional language). You can learn Haskell, Elm, PureScript, for example. But the main focus should be on learning the tools that you need to write the applications that you want to create.

[@sedrafearl8318]

C is definitely a worthwhile language to learn. A lot of languages are very similar to C as it is essentially a standard in embedded systems. That said unless you plan to go into embedded programming I would just learn the surface level stuff.

[@dehro]

Nobody can best a politician in serving a word salad. Hold my keyboard

[@0r14n583lt]

Professor Mike Eric Dyson: Hold my beer.

[@adamhenriksson6007]

Scala is brobably even more white paper. It is so packed with language features and its a JMV language

[@PhatPazzo]

That was a very neat pros and cons list.

[@rustythoughts]

Scheme is the most fractal language ever created.

[@larry69]

VHDL is one of the languages ever created

[@sedrafearl8318]

Your bringing back Nam flash backs xD

[@ThePriceIsNeverRight]

The more i watch this guy the more i get confused by the day, i think I'm done

[@a6hiji7]

😂.... Yeah, guy is kind of addictive to listen to in spite of a lot of BS!

[@v0id_d3m0n]

What is confusing? /gen

[@JuddMaltin7]

University of Nottingham will teach you Haskell AND get you a job

[@mogr488]

What does white papers mean ?

[@szymskiPL]

Didn't know Haskell is so similar to Lua.

[@perthecther__203]

Bro is showing LUA

[@c1dk1n]

My white papers sync my email and do my double-entry accounting but OK

[@yousiffareed891]

This is why I don't code. Not because i have a completely different business that requires different skillsets but for sure it's the context from this video

[@alexandermeneses5688]

Ok but Haskell is definitely one of the languages of all time

[@IcomanSB]

What is white paper language?

[@hystericheretic7678]

Theres things like this (programming) for humans too. I have no idea what im talking about but i know it exists.

[@qaraqartal8558]

Broooo you are a Javascript Programmer what are you talking about?😂

[@NostraDavid2]

Javascript is the most front-end language.

[@NostraDavid2]

Lua is the most addon language.

[@mjohnson2807]

Charles is going to be upset

[@j.r.r.tolkien8724]

Perfect description 😂

[@snailedlt]

JavaScript is the most "We created a problem so we could sell the solution" language

[@leggoentertainment2947]

All yt developers talk in shade, regardless language.

[@mac.ignacio]

JS is the most hyped language. ReactJS is the most hyped framework.

[@roz1]

Rust makes writing code so complex .... I gave up twice but im not giving up

[@FirstLast-gk6lg]

I just want to pass my tech interviews 😢

[@SkillsVsDegree]

For apps like LinkedIn and Twitter which one is better?

[@sazanlip]

(A specific) assembly language is the closest to a specific configuration of logic arrays language ever created. Tricking silicon into processing data isn't easy, and neither is the language in question.

[@VojtaJavora]

HDLs literally program logic arrays

[@rebeuhsin6410]

You made a video stating not using vim would make you obsolete, than Haskel?

[@dc22199x]

Python is the easiests thing to code, yet the hardest thing to maintain once your base code is bigger than your future.

[@ichigo9688]

Is there no best best language created yet?

[@brad.myrick4633]

Out of line, but true

[@cesarfigueroa6119]

i feel attacked

[@VV0RK]

Bro is snubbing Perl.

[@skalas6011]

What the hell do these descriptions mean😭😭

[@bilbo_gamers6417]

i still dont understand what is wrong with C and C++ and Javascript 😭

[@theredscourge]

How are you supposed to get paid to refactor every piece of code you've ever written in the latest fad language for no good reason if you write everything in one of those?

[@just_opposite]

Just remember java inspired the brainfuck language where it truly captured essence of java.

[@prosto_ivan8353]

What is the worst best one?

[@adamwest8711]

I cannot trust any man without blue hair.

[@einargs]

Haskell is great for writing academic papers about your new haskell library. Or the new feature you implemented in the haskell compiler. It's also great for seeing what other languages will be adopting in twenty years.

[@Alkis05]

Mozilla created the most cursed language ever created but also rust, the most redeeming language ever created.

[@eriklundstedt9469]

And lua is the best non-lisp ever created while fennel (which is lisp that transpiles to lua) is the best language ever created

[@MrSirFluffy]

Haskell truly is the dopest and efficient language. However C++ is just the perfect balance. Haskell is the king of procrastination. It will only ever something when it has too. It won't update shyt until the variable or something is checked.

[@nightshadedude]

Piq in shambles

[@PierreThierryKPH]

Why not both? I want code AND papers.

[@zyisrad]

I love Haskell

[@Panakotta000]

Plz tell me... What's up with that Lua code??? XD

[@ThePrimeTimeagen]

its harpoon