Why Hornet isn't Void

Today I am going to explain why 60% percent of my audience is wrong. Enjoy!
Below are links to some lore documents that I used when writing this script. Big thanks to Sumwan and Mola for putting these documents together.
My script:
mossbag69.blogspot.com/2019/0...
Translate this video into another language through Amara:
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Hornet is not made of Void (by Sumwan):
docs.google.com/document/d/1_...
The Vessels (By Mola & Sumwan):
docs.google.com/document/d/1Y...
Let me know if you have any corrections! Thanks!
Video Chapters
0:00 Spoiler Warning
0:10 Introduction
0:56 Physical characteristics
1:40 Hornet's lineage
4:42 Vessels' lineage
8:27 Hornet's differences
11:56 Counterarguments
13:02 Outro

[@Mona-by8qq]

0% void 50% waifu 50% screen transitions

[@fuze7885]

lol, nice way to reference dumdums saying the death screen transition in silksong is void leaving hornet

[@AxitheArtist]

Lol

[@fuze7885]

@@ivymarimo1631 no, i dont think i will

[@loganxavier]

@@ivymarimo1631 You sir, need to “an unpleasant feeling of coldness in the atmosphere, one's surroundings, or the body.”

[@purevessel4801]

I’m a better waifu

[@jnoinm]

What I was supposed to learn: Hornet isn't made of Void What I actually learned: So basically, the Pale King is a hooker

[@hugod327]

Get a load of this dude

[@diamondmetal3062]

Any good God-King must be. Just ask Zeus and Odin.

[@mathiaskaario5973]

also mossbag is a flat earther

[@milk_choc7889]

@@mathiaskaario5973 r/woooosh

[@milk_choc7889]

@@diamondmetal3062 hey that's rude to ra

[@SquareFoil31362]

Reasons Hornet isn't void: she tells you she isn't void

[@archibaldwilliamsworthiii5880]

When you attack infected creatures with your nail, there’s an orange particle effect. When you attack void creatures with your nail (or when the Knight itself takes damage), there’s a black particle effect. When you attack normal, non-infected bugs, there’s a white particle effect. When you attack Hornet, there’s a white particle effect.

[@Barakon]

Don’t you get soul from her too?

[@MasterIsabelle]

@@Barakon yep

[@letendreelliott8778]

Doesn’t the pure vessel give white particle too?

[@MasterIsabelle]

@@letendreelliott8778 wait what

[@whirl3690]

@@letendreelliott8778 The Pure Vessel (as well as the Hollow Knight and the Broken Vessel) has a shell. The Collector does not. You are not striking the void inside of the Pure Vessel, you are striking the shell surrounding it.

[@Jevix-xl1tx]

Hornet is made out of a good character.

[@nkyfong]

Don't forget Myla, The White lady, Vespa and Marissa.

[@spyguy4096]

Preach

[@patom3474]

I just have to say :''yes''

[@cloudyaxolotls]

@@BlueMaskGuy don't forget my girl Seer

[@carson9404]

She is made of S c r e e n transtitions

[@bundleoffuck2986]

Women: exist Pale King: _its free real estate_

[@Kyokowai]

He be gross.

[@user-uz6ft1or3g]

@@TimothyMark7 what in the actual fukien tea tree is wrong with you

[@fugo5464]

Guest Guest uhmmmmmmm... ok.

[@FiendEnder]

Guest Guest *just like they all say, a g e i s j u s t a n u m b e r*

[@fugo5464]

Lmao

[@HollowTheCool]

0:18 Its crazy to think that 4 years ago, 60% of the Hollow Knight community was so uneducated on the lore of Hornet

[@MMeltingButter]

february 6, 2023 there are still people who think hornet is void and it makes me cry.

[@randomshipper-pe6br]

Such Simmons,

[@unnamedvisitor1649]

I find it hilarious that Hornet is comprised of two completely different species, and neither of them have stingers.

[@milk_choc7889]

Her needle's because of an old concept, the child of three queens. Birthed by Herrah, raised by WL, trained by Vespa.

[@HYDROCARBON_XD]

Pale king it’s like a god,so I think it’s possible

[@wta1518]

Yeah, It is kind of annoying that a spider-wyrm hybrid is called "Hornet".

[@wta1518]

@@agent8395 That's not canon.

[@the_best_username]

​@@milk_choc7889 Would that make her the heir to all three kingdoms?

[@bumbruh]

hornet is actually made of mcdonalds hamburger meat

[@uhacharly81]

bumbruh your woke

[@locolorenz]

Borgar

[@zeroSephiroth1]

you mean... pink slime?

[@thespoonman4208]

So she is made of void

[@bilbeman4125]

I see you are also a man of culture.

[@poyo1415]

*"Today, I'm going to prove to all of you that you're absolutely f**king wrong."* *Isaac Newton talking to the other scientists.*

[@theultimatep1e40]

Ya

[@themariokid2310]

@@theultimatep1e40 ya

[@MonkiEatBanana]

@The Mario Kid ya

[@lemon.9831]

Monki Eat Banana ya

[@sadface7463]

Ÿä

[@heckrum]

pale king, describing vessels: no voice to cry suffering hornet: **can talk** *sO oBvIoUsLy ShEs A sIbLiNg*

[@lugoorstar]

But what if they're half siblings who one is a zombie and the other is a spider lady?. This and more at 6:30 PM tomorrow

[@captainblue5096]

@@lugoorstar Half siblings? We’re going into some semantics here, and I’m not in for it. Is half a sibling a full sibling? How do you make a full sibling in the first place, more importantly a half sibling? Do quarter siblings exist?

[@alba2162]

@@captainblue5096 a half sibling is someone who shares one parent so to others who share the same set of parents a half sibling is a full sibling You make a full sibling by having more than one child so they can call eachother siblings, then you make a half sibling by having a child who shares only one sibling Only if you have a child with 4 parents

[@damobeck1]

@@captainblue5096 … you… didn’t know half siblings existed? Must be nice *cries in only half siblings*

[@captainblue5096]

@@damobeck1 1: I’m an only child 2: I wrote this very late at night and somehow forgot that half siblings existed

[@Tu_Padre.]

This can literally all be solved by just remembering the fact that after you leave the abyss for the first time, she literally outright tells you she isn’t made of void.

[@crydeplosion7098]

I am currently beating the game and I spent 5 minutes looking for this comment, some people are just too busy mashing the A button lmao

[@hannibustoogfyrre6074]

Maybe my favorite way to look at Hollow Knight is as a story of 3 children trying to fix the mistakes of their father.

[@bread9484]

No u

[@ericatchrist]

True.

[@jpcraft3332]

Getting some Karamazov vibes

[@RainiiDay7]

Yup I see the same honestly

[@Apotheosister]

Ah yes, the classic tropes of video games, ascending to godhood with the boys, boomers bad millennials good and mute idiot kills everyone.

[@eliaskrebs9444]

Short version: She’s not void because she literally says as much. “That part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share.” It doesn’t MATTER what she IS, she outright states she isn’t Void.

[@b2modby]

OBJECTION: She might just be speaking about the lack of emotions/thoughts/personality vessels had. We do not know that "crucial emptiness" is 100% her reffering to void. Thats why Moss says that this line is used by the supporters of both theories. But yeah, she's probably isnt void. **Probably**.

[@Cutesylittlecupcake]

Draculinary cursed pfp

[@henrythewhaleman6033]

She says it but when the void brothers and her help keep the radience in place so you can slap it she gives a void like shape when she helps to hold it down

[@milk_choc7889]

@@henrythewhaleman6033 no, that's the Hollow Knight. You can see the inner part of the head is different. They also have a cracked head and only one arm, just like the Hollow Knight.

[@K-7Maylis]

She can't be void because she's never been infused with it, the vessels are infused but Hornet was never, she was just sent to Herrah etc.

[@moonbreak8256]

I know this is a bit off-topic, but thank you so much for putting actual written captions into your video! I'm hard of hearing (poked out my eardrum with a q-tip, long story), and this really helps me watch more videos of things I love! It's really hard to find good closed captions on youtube with the bigger KZbinrs, so I'm really glad that at least videos about a game I love have them. So thanks!

[@mossbag69]

No problem! It's actually really easy if you have a script. KZbin will automatically line up all the timings for you. It really bugs me to see so many scripted videos from big KZbinrs who don't bother to take that little effort to add captions.

[@peterschilling1506]

I still cannot imagine a fork having it with a tree to make thousands of these vessels. Maybe that's why the Hollow Knight starts stabbing himself halfway through the fight.

[@raptorzpackgaming8860]

He remembers

[@purevessel4801]

Yea

[@purevessel4801]

I’m ashamed of my dad

[@raidenmetalgear3572]

@@purevessel4801 You got stuck with the worst higher bring possible haha

[@purevessel4801]

@@raidenmetalgear3572 ...bring? Don’t you mean being?

[@bapanada]

a vessel is a vessel, you can't say it's only half

[@morgankasper5227]

but half a presses exist

[@jumnyum]

Well, TJ “bapanada” Yoshi...

[@brickwallandco.9121]

This is my favorite comment ever.

[@bramble6367]

To answer that we need to talk about parallel partners

[@icankickflipok]

You can say that something that is a vessel has also another function not related to its function as a vessel, so, your point is somewhat dulled.

[@bowserjjumetroid3645]

--- *AFTER SILKSONG GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE* --- *Hornet doesn't give off a Shade when she dies.* *More evidence that Hornet isn't made of Void.*

[@pyroball602]

Collector doesn't have a shade if you think on it hard enough... thonk

[@bowserjjumetroid3645]

@@pyroball602 .... It can't leave a Shade cause it's just Void. As far as we know, only Vessels, the hollowed out children of the Pale King and White Lady, leave shades behind. Have we seen *anyone* or *anything* else give off a shade? There's *us* (The Knight), the Hollow Knight, and *our* Siblings (I say "us" and "our" 'cause that's who *we* play as). It's possible that the Collector *IS* a Shade, meaning that when we kill him, there's nothing else that can happen; he's *dead.* (BTW, if you use Godhome as an excuse to think he *isn't* dead, well... Godhome's a *Dream realm* where the Godseekers focus on Gods (powerful beings) to imagine them as they were before you killed them, or when they were in their prime; in reality, they still *are* dead. Just in case, ya know.) Regardless, it seems to me that you might be trying to stretch for any evidence that points towards Hornet being made of Void, when there's a big, fat and wide carpet-bombing's worth of evidence that challenges the idea. There isn't enough evidence to convince me *(at least)* that Hornet is made of Void. I could be wrong about you, but it just seems that way. Either way.... *thonk.*

[@DarkNexus530]

@@pyroball602 So does the Kingsmoulds and Wingmoulds. The Collector is just void creature. It is not a vessel. It does not have a Pale Shell so why would it leave a shade?

[@yuuri_]

this is evidence that hornet is made of screen transitions

[@bowserjjumetroid3645]

@@yuuri_ AH!! Never thought of that! *Genius!!*

[@dionjayce5760]

so what you're saying is.. the pale king is a hentai protagonist?

[@yashobantadash6462]

Yeah and he got the school days ending

[@bluevines1303]

really thats wahat you drew from this

[@Zyp1c]

@@bluevines1303 its true tho

[@bluevines1303]

@@Zyp1c THATS WHAT YOU DREW FROM THIS

[@tryggverunberg2983]

@@bluevines1303 it's a logical conclusion, isn't it?

[@handoverthestromboli6715]

In the famous words of Incel Hal from blockbuster hit Megamind, "There is no easter bunny, there is no tooth fairy and there is no conceivable way for Hornet to void."

[@emeralddarkness]

"The only defective vessel is the hollow knight" excuse me several thousand siblings would like to talk to you

[@W.H.V.]

Nobody cares about them; they're dead.

[@DoubleBoost23]

@@W.H.V. Fanart of them being alive: _Am I a joke to you?_

[@DoubleBoost23]

@TooLateToTheStory Where are those adult Vessels? I must see the grown up forms.

[@ziimulhah3223]

Is there any such thing as a true empty Vessel? Even The Knight's side quests required it to have empathy and free will.

[@theultimatep1e40]

@@W.H.V. ya

[@hermitcard4494]

Hornet: _"I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain _*_your likes_*_ . Its bindings would drain me were I to join."_

[@phoe9629]

Hornet actually enter there and survived after the Radiance fight

[@noahsmith4980]

@@phoe9629 it says sustain not visit

[@hermitcard4494]

@@phoe9629 she didn't say "it would kill me", she said "would drain me". Meaning that it would weaken her making her useless to fight. She didn't fight, she just waited for Hollow Kid to weaken Hollow Knight enough. Only the likes of Hollow Knights were not drained.

[@phoe9629]

@@hermitcard4494 Hm... You're right, I've interpreted it like she would die, my bad

[@nucleardrift952]

Eduardo Gutierrez these whole comments are cursed

[@HunterOfSouls218]

Hey man! Not sure if you remember me all that well but I used to attend church with ya a while back and I was that little kid at youth group that was always annoying you guys🫣my dad ran into you the other day and told me that you had a channel and here we are. Just wanted to say I’m so unbelievably happy that you’re getting this kind of recognition for your content. You deserve every single view you get man!! Hope all is well and you continue to succeed 🤘🏼💙

[@mossbag69]

I remember you! I was just talking to my mom 5 minutes ago. She said she told your dad my youtuber name. Thanks! It's been a lot of fun running this channel, and it's been incredible seeing how far it has come over the years. Hope you are doing good as well!

[@krist7650]

@@mossbag69 damn, we're having mossbag lore now??

[@nnn-zx9by]

Hornet is: 50% - waifu 50% - git gud

[@bonniefazman9065]

Facts

[@Roman-ik3cf]

Actually Hornet is: 25% waifu 25% git gud 50% SHAW

[@Outpost38C]

"there is no santa claus, there is no tooth fairy, and _there is no queen of england"_ -mossbag

[@cyanide167]

Great megamind quote

[@ordinaryshiba]

but there are tooth fairies and santa clause exists, but he went too far with the earth point

[@jaguarattack273]

Mossbag also messed up the quote it is actually “there is no Easter bunny there is no tooth fairy and there is no queen of England”

[@QuestionableObject]

Santa is not real and Jesus did not happen!

[@GerardofRivia]

"there is no santa claus, there is no tooth fairy, and there is no void in Hornet"

[@YARGGG_GG]

a hornet video without a 'git gud' joke? that is some restraint

[@purpleglamour9089]

Lol the urge is strong

[@shmarfle47]

Sweet Pebbles I always heard “Get through” instead of git gud

[@guillermoc7736]

@@shmarfle47 that would actually make more sense, as in, get through the boundaries between the physical world and the dream world

[@sanderhagen571]

@@shmarfle47 i always thought she Said/yelled "Desu!" Instead of "get through" or "get good"

[@electrum5579]

Instead of taking the easy way and killing the Hollow Knight, Hornet says to git gud and fight Radiance

[@fernishere6656]

My theory is that the bug holding the Love Key was once the collector, they owned the building, they were capturing grubs and other bugs, and in some way got their hands on some delicious void. This void was their treasured possession and they took it everywhere they went, gazing into it constantly. But due to the nature of void being deadly and all, the void took over that bug, killing it and inheriting the bug's will, becoming what we now know as the collector. Because of the void being liquid and all, it didn't exactly need to take the key to enter the building, hence why it's still on the corpse. The reason that the void didn't just take over or just puppeteer the bug's corpse like it does with the vessels is because it is a comparatively weak bug, unlike the vessels born of two higher beings. Basically that bug in the queen's gardens used to be as crazy and eccentric as the collector of today.

[@KatzenminzeWarVergeben]

I do like the Idea, but in the pale kings Workshop is a (idk how to call it, "machine"?) with the shape of the collector in it, so he was most likely created by the pale king.

[@dinoahmad182]

Well a big clue that Hornet is not a vessel is that she can speak, while vessels can not. Also, Hornet is 50% good character and 50% waifu.

[@dergecko92]

Zote?

[@slajmekpl83]

So 100% good character

[@drozdzuwa6669]

I mean hornet can actually speak, and in birthplace we found out that vessels has "no voice to cry suffering", so that's best proof that hornet is not the vessel born of void.

[@jonathan9304]

I think it says that because the truly hollow vessel would not have a voice at all but I could be wrong

[@reeseelia2357]

The collector is a void being and can laugh and make noises, so I don't think that matters. But hornet isn't void.

[@lepoisson-globe592]

@@jonathan9304 it should have no thoughts so why would it speak

[@magis1234]

@@reeseelia2357 I think the collector has a voice because it's not a vessel

[@agzzradface3113]

@@magis1234 well no shit mate!

[@lfestevao]

In the true ending, Hornet is unconscious in the ground and the void filling the black egg goes back underground, leaving her there. The shades disappear. So, there's that.

[@kikones34]

Exactly. I thought this was clear evidence that she's not void. I don't know why it wasn't included in the video...

[@MiltonRosso]

how come the knight is still with hornet?

[@lfestevao]

@@MiltonRosso He's not. The true ending is defeating the Radiance in the Black Egg. In this one all void goes underground. You must be thinking of the extra ending added on the Gods and Glory dlc. In this one, someone steps towards Hornet waiting at the door, possibly the Hollow Knight free from the Radiance's influence.

[@dodge2451]

have not watched the video yet, but this is my thoughts also. Its clear she is not part of the void, as all the void returned.

[@michaeltsagaris1]

You could argue that since she is an independent creature, the formless void receding wouldnt effect her. Though that is reaching.

[@mikvowel2494]

9:45 "That fucked face from Spirted Away" And i took that personally

[@mintyblossom3930]

2:33I think when the white lady says “striking reflection of her mother” it’s less about their visual similarity and more so that hornet shares traits with herrah like “she’s fierce, strong in mind and body” and that’s what is strikingly similar to herrah

[@hollow1279]

let's *a-void* doing assumptions like that

[@valjester8342]

* pain *

[@bltsevdallarfanclub641]

That hurted more than path of pain.

[@juliascythe]

lets fuck off

[@horesfan400]

That’s it. You’re getting the skyscraper sized needle.

[@hollow1279]

Minrod Vils theres no *need-dle* to recurre to violence

[@TheActualAqua]

Saying that earth is void is the same to say that hornet is flat Wait...

[@ziyair2998]

unlike herrah, hornet is not T H I C C C Q U E

[@BlueMaskGuy]

Quorine Hornet’s like the opposite of thicc lmao

[@ManuMOV]

@@AxolBedwars SHES THIN NOT THICK

[@shmel3689]

@@AxolBedwars she's the opposite of thick *and that's great* :]

[@thermophile1695]

"I'm not flat!" -Hornet and earth-chan in unison

[@pepperoii]

Just wanna say, You're honestly a wonderful youtuber to listen to while doing something else, because you've got closed captions, and you talk clearly which is an extra bonus for hearing impaired people, because most other youtubers sound like they whisper into the mic like its 2am.

[@pailhorsegaming6762]

Honestly, the fact that hornet is the Knight’s half sister kinda just makes me like her more, it’s a cool dynamic.

[@somnolentSlumber]

>no mouth = related to pale king >the instant you said that, there was a picture of quirrel to the left, who also does not have a mouth actually there are a shit ton of mouthless characters now that i think about it

[@zememerr2329]

somnolent Slumber Their mouth is under their mask, it’s pretty simple really.

[@goosemanVEVO]

@@zememerr2329 Hmm. But it gets difficult to tell who's wearing a mask, and who's face just looks like that.

[@Paradox1012]

Sir Sleepy this is probably why the mask makers diolouge exists.

[@lfestevao]

Hazzah!

[@robonerd125]

Sir Sleepy, i have the same complaint of My Hero Academia...

[@hollowarcane]

I knew Hornet wasn't a vessel just because she can talk

[@captainblue5096]

“No voice to cry suffering” It’s so obvious Even the Pure Vessel doesn’t cry out when the fight starts. It’s completely silent

[@MasterIsabelle]

@No YeLLInG On THE BuS apparently vessels were forced to not have a voice whether they think or not

[@lukaerd6258]

@No YeLLInG On THE BuS the only vessels, with a voice are the broken vessel at the ancient basin and the hollow knight, but those ones are corrupted by the radiance and even sounds like her. but when you fight the hollow knight as the pure vessel, it screams but has no voice, you only hear the wind blowing. So no, vessels don't have voices.

[@cuboembaralhado8294]

Hornet: *speaks* Everyone here: see? No void!

[@ziwuri]

@@lukaerd6258 I love all the attention to detail in this game. Pure Vessel isn't just "the final boss but harder". It has actual lore implications and its attacks change based on the fact that it's not corrupted by the infection but is more in control of its body and soul abilities.

[@declanbramham3533]

Rewatching it all in 2022, and another detail I noticed in the hornet fight is that when the knight is hit, the resulting 'blood' is void scattering across the screen, whilst when hornet is hit it is the standard response of normal bugs absent of infection.

[@BlueSkyBirdies]

Fun insect fact! Bug blood is called hemolymph!

[@perriwinkleiii5361]

9:51 When two sides of a community can take the same line to support two opposing theories, that's how you know your game's lore is good

[@danny_douglas]

Next Video: *ZOTE IS DEATH (CONFIRMED)!?!?!?*

[@hoker-519]

Danny Douglas When you die, you see someone in a dark cloak wielding a scythe. It’s him. Zote the mighty. But he’s not here to crush you, instead, he is here to take you somewhere. Zote laughs about how foolish you were to be decapitated by a young and incompetent mantis petra. Zote then takes you to the void. Zote takes many others to the afterlife as well. Zote is death.

[@grimpeace5485]

Zote is *ACTUALLY* the Pale King.

[@MiltonRosso]

he should make a video about the pale king, if he is dead or not

[@edk3492]

Flamefire17 i want zote to crush me

[@dogo523]

Now i doubt he can explain eternal ordeal to be honest

[@BlazeTaleo]

Oh shit this is my third time watching this video and I just realized that’s my comment featured at 1:02 I’m honored

[@asrieldreemurr1988]

Holy crap I bow down to your brilliance 🙇

[@asrieldreemurr1988]

Oops I though you were the 0:57 one

[@sirfedrick]

Congratz

[@Drizzile]

that's racist

[@Kasmodamous]

congrats

[@khloeg1649]

I always thought it was pretty clear that she isn't void because of the line "Though our strength is born of a similar source, that part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share." the crucial emptiness is the void that Ghost is made of, and the "strength from a similar source" is them both being children of the pale king

[@khloeg1649]

also "I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its binding would drain me were I to join."

[@khloeg1649]

also she can talk! the vessels have no voice to cry suffering. hornet has a voice. so she's not a vessel.

[@khloeg1649]

100% waifu, 0% void.

[@Jonrocks7]

Everyone knows hornet is made of screen transition!

[@deadlydingus1138]

Powerful Arthropod Loves Everyone

[@brandonmartineau4591]

Wait... *re-reads* -_- o_o 0_0

[@madcap3450]

This guy fucks

[@sandokangianfigliazzi1845]

@@madcap3450,giant spiders and trees

[@menacinghollow3772]

Kinky Ineffective Notorious God

[@h2o848]

Very Edgy Super Soldier Except Loser

[@mrmemes7883]

The game lists that hornet isn't void by calling her: Ahem. "The gendered child." We know that herrah and the pale king certainly weren't void, and they created hornet. Also, about the whole "gendered child" thing, all vessels are referred to as genderless. All vessels contain only void. Any other bugs are said to have genders. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. And hornet is referred to as the _gendered_ child, the opposite of genderless. 100% proof that hornet is not void

[@juliuskulla2097]

Hornet is not void. However, this argument is wrong, as you are inferring causality from correlation. 1. All vessels are referred to as genderless. This is true. 2. All vessels contain only void. This is also true, as far as we have seen. 3. Only the vessels, which are made of void, are genderless. For all of the bugs we have seen, this has been true. 4. Hornet is referred to as the gendered child, the opposite of genderless. This is also true. In none of this has there been any evidence that Hornet is void, because you are assuming that being void is the same as being a vessel, however we have seen that this is not the case; Kingsmoulds and the Collector are examples of why this is false. Your correlation is that all vessels have void, all vessels are genderless. Your inference of causation is that therefore, all void is genderless. Just because both things are linked to being a vessel does not mean that they are linked to each other, so your argument is inherently flawed.

[@midnightmadness6344]

@@juliuskulla2097 There's no reason to believe all things void aren't genderless though. The Kingsmould are void constructs, meaning they're Golems build by the Pale King for a purpose. There's no reason it would need a gender. The Hunter's journal even refers to the Kingmoulds as "it" clearly avoiding gendered pronouns. Now you may have a point with the Collector although again the Hunter's journal refers to the Collector as an it. If we had been given any indication that void beings could have a gender you'd have a point, but since there is no evidence that points to gendered void beings I'll side with Mr. Memes.

[@Apotheosister]

@@juliuskulla2097 If Hornet isn't a vessel then she has no reason to be made of void. They're technically correct in a roundabout way, still proof. Then again, maybe my reading comprehension is garbage

[@MD-qw2lh]

Julius Kulla well, no, because he’s still right, it was just a mistake, he’s still right, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds are genderless as well, he was referring to only the vessels because only the vessels are children of the pale kings, the kingsmoulds and wingsmoulds can’t have genders because they’re constructs, kind of like robots

[@mrmemes7883]

@@juliuskulla2097 can you not write a fucking college essay for why my argument about a videogame is wrong you idiot

[@stuffstuff3455]

The main counter argument to 'Hornet isn't void' is 'the emptiness Hornet is referring to is the knight's hollowness'. Well, why does Hornet talk to the knight in ways that only non hollow beings could understand? Hornet isn't the only one aware of the vessel's nature that talks to them as if they weren't hollow: Orgrim and Ze'mer. And last but certainly not least, Steel soul Jinn, "it has a will of it's own." And thing you do to make her say this is to refuse to trade, which in itself is something requires a will. And the void heart description states 'unifies the void under the bearer's will.' And the siblings description states, 'a fragment of a lingering will.' And the wander's journal states the void tendrils, 'have a will of their own.'

[@tommyrasmussen2337]

Counter conter is defective vessels

[@RacingSnails64]

Honestly it's odd to me that people would bother to think Hornet is void. Like, she doesn't use any void abilities, only the needle and string, so why bother? Also, she literally says she "doesn't share that crucial emptiness" after you scale the Abyss when you acquire the shadow dash from that statue holding the bowl. Pretty much confirming she's not like you. Not sure how to refute that.

[@Xalted118]

All I got out of this is that the Pale King was a gigolo.

[@RastaxBot]

1:18 I have no mouth. and I must SHAAAW

[@fuze7885]

By Harlan Ellison

[@RacingSnails64]

and I must EGALEEEH!

[@natsudraga2252]

Yo I just liked and subscribed your video on the pure virtue of you knowing who Friedrich Nietzsche it is. Keep up the good wor on whatever topic or game you like I'm sure your fan base will follow 👍

[@natsudraga2252]

Good god I should have proof read that

[@JohnSmith-zs1bf]

Man I missed literally all the story elements in my first playthrough. Doing a steel souls run now and I'm glad I saw all these lore videos because I can actually tell whats going on now lmao

[@TheRealWalt]

When you raid area 51 and you find a document saying Hornet isnt void. *happy moss noises*

[@Rafelandroid2]

or the exact opposite *Angy moss noises*

[@TheHollowProphet]

"100% Waifu" *Apply seal of approval *

[@purevessel4801]

I’m still a better waifu than my sister

[@themyconidwitch]

@@purevessel4801 you dont have a gender tho

[@purevessel4801]

@@themyconidwitch I don’t need a gender to be a waifu

[@themyconidwitch]

@@purevessel4801 i know but its just,waifu is used for girls

[@treesimp6686]

@@purevessel4801 hello

[@xVovex]

This guy I actually funny, he needs more subs. 1:39 "This guy fucks" lmaooo

[@anthonymiller1352]

When the killed yelled “THATS RACIST!!” I choked on my chicken soup

[@ricardobr1493]

Wow so young and aiready a killer

[@kidlink4OoT]

I feel like the only way to figure out if Hornet is void or not is to have her die in the DLC and learn if she drops a spirit like the Knight does.

[@LongNguyen-pv9sm]

this is actually solid evidence

[@Swarming-Languendo]

and now we wait

[@HunterLAcka]

Holy fuck you are right

[@jamespaulin6739]

I thought my Grimmchild ate you!

[@pelieskola5708]

Exactly. And now we wait... i am too hyped for it tbh. Especially aftet the ending of godmaster.

[@pigcatapult]

Re: Defective vessels: I mean, I'd assume that all of the thousands-to-billions of dead Vessels were deemed defective. Just because the White Lady claims our player character is a perfect vessel doesn't make it true. The Hollow Knight was imperfect because they had enough thought in them to worry; they look back at you in that cutscene, the Pure Vessel has hidden thoughts buried in the code, representing how much those thoughts ("DON'T THINK") were repressed. Our player character proves they're not truly empty by the myriad of things they can do that have nothing to do with sealing the Radiance, like giving Elderbug a flower. There's no reason to do that except feelings of compassion and gratitude, but the player character can do it. A perfectly empty vessel doesn't exist. The Pale King sacrificed untold hordes of his own children on a fool's errand, and the Hollow Knight's desire to protect the bugs of Hallownest was exactly the reason they couldn't.

[@masonjones7777]

the opposite might also be true, the reason "ghost" does those things could be A: the bug it's helping could reward it in a way that further benefits the main goal (like giving a mask shard so it can more easily avoid death) B: it may lead "ghost" to an area that further benefits the main goal, and C: the task may grant it an ally that would help in accomplishing the main goal the only important thing is weather or not "ghost" has an Ideal or feeling driving it. A good counterpoint is moments like when "ghost" sits next to quirrel before he either leaves or dies or something (not sure what actually happens) or when it strikes down the nailsmith as per request (purely optional but it CAN happen so I guess it's half-cannon) since either side could give their own interpretation every one of "ghosts" possible actions I think it's safe to assume that we don't know if this games player character is a truly "perfect vessel" or not and we might as well flip a coin for all it matters.

[@cattheplayergamplay8262]

confirming that the pale king is indeed a fucking idiot

[@CappsLocke]

The hollow knight was a perfect vessel until the king bonded with him as shown in the path of pain cutscene so in reality the king finally found his perfect vessel until he fucked it up. The bonding gave the infection something to corrupt and allowing it to seep out. But case and point, the perfect vessel does exist the king just kept ruining it

[@cyryl3827]

When you beat the Hollow Knight the normal way, you just stave off the corruption. You will lose to it as well, at some point. The only reason the Hollow Knight lost in the end, is because he didn't have the King Soul charm, and didn't gain a greater control over the Void. Pale King failed, because he wasn't brave enough, to grant the Vessel god-like power. He thought, that just some sprinkling of Void would have been enough.

[@TRak598]

@@cyryl3827 I'm more inclined to believe that the Pale King could not understand the Void and foresee its doings (most likely because the Void is older than time, stronger than anything and eldritch in nature, so his powers of future telling could not reach it), so even after foreseeing the future of doom on the kingdom he would erect, he still believes it could be saved with the use of the Void. Remember how empty the palace felt? The King did not have to study most things because he could both tell the future and remember from his vast memories of the world. The Void, however, was out of his reach, unless he decided to learn about it by experiments. And that's why he had a workshop on the Acient Basin. In other words, it's not that he distrusts the Vessels and give HK too little power, he just can't figure out how to tap the power of The Abyss anymore. Honestly speaking, HK was more than enough to keep Radiance sealed for a long time, but its gradual gain of personality would eventually make it both unable to contain the infection and less adequate of a vessel (void needs emptiness, and that's why HK has no void attacks after being infected). Such is his disappointment when his plans are ruined that he assumes the kingdom has no chance of ever recovering, and all his personal sacrifices along with the ones did by his subjects were put to waste. A promise of an eternal kingdom just to throw everything he got and fail at last? Shame and sorrow no one can bear. If HK was simply not given the strenght he needed, PK would for sure try to correct his mistake. Instead, PK just gave up, most likely because he had already exausted his tools, or at least so he tought.

[@chirrupted]

0% void 100% SHAW

[@A_literal_bucket]

And more than half of hollow knight r34

[@killer_boss01]

Cant wait for silksong, best waifu! And a sad story behind her mother, we had to kill her, and she knew we had to do it to save hollownest, her character is so brave and genuine.

[@phoenixapollo3608]

I'm gonna ruin this mans whole career, She's not void because she has a purple cape instead of grey. Okay to stop the notifications everyone keeps sending the same response. IT HAS BEEN A YEAR LOOK AT THE REPLIES A GO AWAY.

[@yeahkeen2905]

Kathy Kat there are shades of purple that look like that. Colors can be weird. There are colors considered white that are peach. Of course that might have something to do with skin color.

[@goddessdeedeebubblesofimag7789]

Red cloak

[@Solar_Axis]

It isn't even that! It's RED!!!

[@nikoozen6049]

I am so confused.

[@phoenixapollo3608]

@@quinn.blink_141 thank you man, it's hard out here for a color blind Phoenix, red and purple have always looked alike to me.

[@Niyucuatro]

Another great video from PewDiePie

[@micahlehrke9]

he said to not actually call him that

[@Kunar24]

@@micahlehrke9 No shit. Not like that's a joke.

[@commandblock7077]

woooooosh

[@pabloc4204]

@@commandblock7077 who got wooshed here? you? thats the only possibility

[@pabloc4204]

@@ValeriosProto thanks for wooshing me for no reason mister r/iusereddit

[@zikademais210]

thanks for subtitling this video in several languages, i'm brazilian and i could understand the content much better.

[@Ixarus6713]

I just realised the Hollow Knight grew up over time and that's why he's bigger. Meaning that Ghost and Hornet are likely similar ages and they could both grow to about the same size as him. (Does that make them the bug-equivalent of babies or do they just have super long life cycles? Or both??) I wonder what they would look like.. Maybe we'll get to see an older Hornet in Silksong.

[@jipefix]

Invincible Fearless Sensual Mysterious Enchanting Vigorous Diligent Overwhelming Gorgeous Passionate Terrifying Beautiful Powerful Loremaster Mossbag is back!

[@Cutesylittlecupcake]

Why does this have so many likes but no comments?

[@lucchi018]

Okay. You convinced me of Hornet not being made of void. As always i end up agreeing with most of your opinions. But the real important matter is... The speculation video about the hollow knight being 99% husbando material.

[@goosemanVEVO]

Maybe Hollow Knight is the more feminine type, who knows? I mean, it literally has no genitals so... Yeah.

[@lucchi018]

@@goosemanVEVO Tall, dark and handsome. He has all the important features to be male and desired by many.

[@goosemanVEVO]

@@lucchi018 Now I just wanna set up a Hollow Knight Tinder account.

[@drawician3686]

Zote is hotter.

[@hiveknight7416]

@@goosemanVEVO Fun fact, in the Kickstarter page, Team Cherry referred to the Knight as male, meaning he was originally planned to be a boy. (Not to mention literally the entire fanbase refers to the vessels as males)

[@Maseruxer]

"One of the most obvious fact shes black." THATS RACIST! That part made me laugh a lot😄

[@aspidacctvods]

0% void 5% screen transitions 45% waifu 100% *de, SHA-*

[@96meelosh]

2:23 how dare you disrespect Myla like that!

[@fuze7885]

she justed want to make some dough mining crystals :(

[@Poseidon-oz9pg]

I was sad when I found out myla was gonna get infected and there was nothing I could do to prevent it :(

[@joshtucker746]

imagine every agressive bug not infected walking around in a suit and tie talking about stonks

[@fuze7885]

@@joshtucker746 lol

[@captainblue5096]

Disrespectful, but accurate

[@troncho1385]

Hey hey do you think gorb is a godseeker? I mean he makes noises similar to praying also he has a similar anatomy to the godseeker and doesn’t stops talking about ascending.

[@subhanmahmood6580]

HRRMMMMMM I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN JUST HOW POWERFUL GORB WAS

[@grantlarsen8761]

I thought about that as well, maybe he is, maybe he's not, who knows?

[@Supershadow301]

Dear god, you're right.

[@ASquared544]

Plus, he's in the howling cliffs, the place that the Godseeker's entered

[@troncho1385]

ASquared I thought the same

[@thatstorm7247]

Btw Hornet says that she is not made of void doing the first hollow knight, in fact she says:"the void in u doesn't belong to me" or smth like that

[@mlem69-420]

Most of what I remeber of Hornet is just her saying "Shaw!" 15 times in her boss fight.

[@SnakesAnimations]

Just adding my thoughts, why would Pale King even make Hornet a vessel? In order to contain a god, would you use the child of two gods or the child of one god and a random spider

[@milk_choc7889]

She wasn't even made to hold the Radiance though.

[@SnakesAnimations]

Milk_Choc exactly, so there’s no reason she would be void

[@rich_gamer0667]

She can't be a vessel either way, she has a mind

[@sunnyid]

@@rich_gamer0667 *coughs* Hollow Knight *coughs*

[@xrefed]

@@rich_gamer0667 your referring to a PERFECT verssel not just a vessel our little boi is just a vessel yet he still is able to do side quests heck the hollow knight was able to feel attached to the pale king even thought he is a vessel

[@MrFailName]

I legit checked the Pale King wiki to see if that was actually in the trivia section... It's not, but it should be! XD

[@bowlwasprobablytaken7149]

my take collector is void you dont get soul from collector hornet is not void you get soul from hornet

[@argican7689]

You get soul from hollow knight, but I heard it's maybe because of the shell

[@sheepgomeep8091]

guys, its simple math. If hornet is 100% waifu (which is undeniable), then she cannot be any amount of anything else. theres no room for void. easy as that.

[@ultr4tr1ps]

Early?!? To a Mossbag video?! Man, my day's really SUCKED. It was pretty DARK, almost like there's NOTHING to do. But suddenly a mossbag video drops, and my HOLE day turns around. It was pretty great.

[@dialog_box]

*HOLE*

[@DementedDuskull]

Sucked Dark Nothing Hole What are you trying to say

[@ultr4tr1ps]

Yeah, I know. That comment was deVOID of any humor whatsoever.

[@gordokarlivanv.8104]

STOP BRINGING THESE (hole)SOME PUNS?

[@inanjarif1388]

@@ultr4tr1ps Please a *VOID* these horrible puns.

[@PoggerFoxy]

half of the community: hornet is void the other half: NO SHE'S NOT me: WAIFU IS WAIFU

[@notyourdad221]

M I L K I S M I L K

[@ardabilgin3269]

@@notyourdad221 Silk is silk*

[@doot7730]

Silk waifu

[@leemeyer9395]

I wonder if she has 8 limbs

[@kiyutuuin]

@@leemeyer9395 so that she can touch eight spots at a time?

[@abattlecat8011]

my first mossbag vid good lore thx

[@royaltinman2226]

When Hornet is damaged she does not give off void particles like all known void entities including the player's knight.

[@darkhoneysweet]

WHAT!? Are you implying Santa ISN'T REAL????

[@colorfulchameleon9891]

... yes.

[@Feningor]

F-F-UUUUCK!

[@grenien4109]

he's also implying that the earth is flat, so that doesn't mean anything. I think...

[@kindertak5396]

yes

[@God-gz2zr]

No, santa is obviously real! What else would explain the 80 year old man that comes every Christmas and asks my 7 year old self if i want "presents"!? *wait a second*

[@jaisenroa4219]

12:55 "the only defective vessel we know about is the hollow knight" so you are saying that ALL THE SIBLINGS THAT WERE DUMPED INTO THE ABYSS ARE *NOT* DEFECTIVE?

[@thecommentguy9380]

"Some things should never be discovered" - Pale king

[@kindertak5396]

No, they failed, I actually thiink that they are like they are vessels that died (Basically STeel Soul). Such as Broken Vessel (He is dead and his Shade is somewhere, he is not alive when fighting him. (Wait, then why when defeat Lost kin he has a soul? SHOULDNT IT BE A SHADE OR SOMETHING?)

[@soyeahsauce]

The key word in that phrase is know

[@thefatherinthecave943]

they failed, but also the pale king grew attached to the hollow knight, likely because it was the first vessel to make it out. its not like he made all the vessels duel it out and instead chose the first that made it out. also, what if the pale king knew the hollow knight wasn't strong enough and saw the knight contain the radiance? he did have the ability to see into the future, it took the HK AND 3 dreamers to seal away the radiance and the knight does it without a single dreamer to help. that would also rely on the knight being the perfect vessel. he might've banked on that and didn't see the knight be able to kill the radiance truly and fully, instead of putting a cork in it like the endings. several characters do comment on how the king seemed to make some poor predictions

[@purevessel4801]

Hey! I’m not defective

[@FG-hp1lm]

Another (small) thing to note; When the Knight, the Hollow Knight / Pure Vessel, Collector and Shade / Siblings get hit, black (void) flies from them (as well as white from the Knight and Vessels). Where as when Hornet is hit, she only gives off white bits (I originally thought it was soul, but thinking about it, it might be the "higher power" from the Pale King) Now, this might be wrong, I am explaining off of memory, but these are the only characters I remember doing this. I think Grimm might also bleed black, and I'm pretty sure Radiance bleeds white too, but I'm not sure on those Oh! And another thing, the "Dream no more" ending, void basically downs everything (including Hornet), but when it recedes, Hornet is left where she laid in the black egg and sees the Knights cracked / broken mask. If she was part void, wouldn't she have vanished too? The Vessels have done what they were made to do in that ending, thus they go back to the void (or their shades do). Again, speculation, but that's just my two cents on the matter

[@dracones3020]

Hornet is made of 50% spooderness 50% paleness

[@herecomedasheep]

wrong 33% spooderness 33% paleness 33% girl 1% non waifu

[@seafoamspirit3484]

9:25 For some reason, the line "they lost their gender" was really funny to me. I pictured it as a physical thing they left somewhere in the abyss. Just wandering around, eventually "oh, hey, my she-her!" or something

[@gamingcookiereal]

i am agender and this is how i lost mine

[@Thirty_Five]

"Damn it, I dropped my she/her. Not again..."

[@mrwiseguy7405]

"My dick fell off wtf..."

[@Thehatguywho]

Shit lost ma verginaty

[@rezissped3417]

I imagined the other physical thing

[@BallistX]

*"I swear to god if it's Wyrm ambergris..."*

[@eiras_1999]

"how extremelly deffective a vessel could get" TLDR: Zote

[@Dr.Din0.Dud3]

My theory about the vessels-The white Lady and the Pale king did the Devils Tango, had the Eggs, which were cast into the Abyss in an attempt to strengthen the children to either fight or contain the Radiance. That being said, children need nutrition, and there's nothing edible in the Abyss. As such, they ALL died. The void captured and corrupted their souls, hence the siblings, but a few "lucky" children became the vessels, hence Hornet calling them ghosts. She's old enough to either know about this or have studied and searched for the information. The vessels then tried to make it out of the abyss due to a mix of the void wanting to consume everything, which would explain the soul meter, more on that later, and that the jealous siblings started to kill the vessels, who, not having nails yet, couldn't fight back. The Pale King grabbed the Hollow Knoght and a couple others managed to escape before the gate was closed, because, while you can see there are other vessels, there's only a couple of them. The sound gauge is the soul collected by the void damaging the creature, stealing its life force, or essence if you will. If you want to argue that no one eats in Hollow Knight, a. It's a video game, b. They're bugs, they can eat dirt or something, so the lack of farms in places like Dirtmouth makes sense, and c. What could all the supplies carried into the Capital City be, it's not all trade goods. If anyone has any questions, there's a decent chance I'll reply with my best theory on the matter.

[@hiphyro]

YAY ANOTHER VIDEO And apparently the pale king is a male prostitute... good to know...

[@azalakhir918]

@@somedude140 he actually paid her to have sex with her. Pale king payed with a child. But am not really sure who payed who.

[@electrum5579]

Yeah, this guy fucks

[@hcstarnova2418]

Yep XD

[@nucleardrift_yt8592]

Hiphyro u

[@MadLaVolpe]

No costs too great.

[@Eradicreator]

Mossbag : "let's pretend the tooth fairy is real, or that Santa Claus exists . . ." Me : "Okay." Mossbag : " Or that the Earth is actually round!" Me : "Wait, what?"

[@bonniefazman9065]

He's joking... Right?

[@HornetofHallownest]

Nah we all know the earth is a doughnut

[@chuck_duck]

I have no mouth and I must Shaw is the finest piece of art I’ve ever seen

[@greenkitty1]

Mister Mushroom is void

[@bestguitar11]

Also, Hornet uses her "weave" to hold the Hollow Knight down so we can dreamnail him. The weave is made of soul, an attribute of the Pale King, not void.

[@tamas9554]

We don't actually know if the weavers use souls for their silk. We don't really know anything about the magical powers in Hollow Knight sadly. Even soul is very vaguely explained inside the game.

[@rosevalety3408]

Honestly, I felt like the fact that hornet has a voice was the only thing that I needed to understand/theorise she wasn't part of the void. Cause yeah, the scream from the Hollow Knight isn't his voice but Radiance's one.

[@fitzgeraldquilab6186]

The pale king must’ve been packing monstrous balls to make the vessels

[@pronumeral1446]

"the only defective vessel we know of is the hollow knight" And the Broken Vessel.

[@b2modby]

And The Knight. Since, you know, has will strong enough to "unify void", and thats a big flaw as far as the purpose of vessels goes.

[@snehilshukla9541]

And that one knight in Hornet's boss room in greenpath who is defeated by her

[@solielnova1117]

and all the ones in the nosks chamber

[@spoiledbratmonster1917]

AND THE TRILLIONS OF DEAD VESSELS

[@kindertak5396]

No, hes not defective, he failed in his mission and then the infection took control of his body, but he is ded

[@Mario-gy4jy]

13:22 haha, of course it isn't dummy... The earth is actually a tetrahedron

[@SpitFyre37]

CONFIRMED

[@skipgoose4426]

No, it's a hexahedron

[@Supershadow301]

It's velociraptor-shaped, with the tip of its tail being Mt Everest.

[@nagitoaussiemandias]

clearly, the earth is actually sans from undertale

[@tophatoctopus1997]

The earth is a mobius strip you dumb fucks

[@ionicakaren]

If the hollow knight had a name for his character arc it would be depressing

[@thewhiteknight7771]

“The earth IS actually round” man i love your outro 😂❤

[@vnutri710]

"I guess the gift was... You know, His dick." You know, I always wondered why people say things like "I get so happy when I see a notification from (KZbinr of the video they're commenting on)", it always felt so fake to me, like, in the age of thousands of subscriptions there are very few people that you even have a chance of being focused enough to wait for uploads and get giddy with excitement from, you usually forget after long enough, but I finally understood when I found your amazing, hilarious, informative, captivating videos on my favorite game. Thank you good sir, I may not have a good life, but goddamn if that 10-20 minutes or more of Hollow Knight content I get every once in a while and the extra time from re-watches doesn't keep the noose in the closet. And gut-exploding jokes like that are (a big reason) why. Thank you, comrade. Thank you.