Why I Changed My Mind about Disney Lorcana...

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Disney Lorcana is experiencing one of the most wild markets I have ever seen. With people looking to build lorcana meta decks as well as play with all the starter products, I did not see the sales comparing as well as they have to games like Magic the Gathering and Flesh and Blood. Lorcana is even getting close to Pokemon in some areas - let's talk about the lorcana market.
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[@mercuryroad55]

I bought Shimmering Skies and Ursula because my daughter loves Encanto. She doesn’t play the game but gets really excited with the characters.

[@HometownTcg]

It’s Minnie and Maui for us- I totally get it!

[@Bighamy]

It’s weird because shimmering skies is such a good set

[@Dwarven_Steel_Games]

Shimmering Skies added some of the worst IP with Wreck it Ralph. It's been the worst for sales.

[@SamtheCanuck]

I'm amazed that anyone pre-orders Lorcana on TCGplayer. I would never I haven't bought any sealed product from TCGplayer for any TCG. Singles after released once prices settle is the only time I feel most people buy on TCGPlayer. All prices before release especially on singles are extremely inflated. My 9 year old son and I enjoy Lorcana and I will be at DLC Las Vegas in a few weeks. I hope Lorcana continues to grow. I have 1 sealed case of the First Chapter as I do believe long term it will have value.

[@Dwarven_Steel_Games]

You can definitely find cheaper cases and boxes on the secondary market outside of TCG Player, especially prior to release.

[@Serjohn]

I have experience with dead tcgs, many times the company prints too much, then they fall face first. So many stores order the first 3 sets, the game falls off set 4-5, most store stop ordering that game set 6, the game continues sets 7-8 with the few stores that still supports them, then dies. All those boxes go online, and the market looks something like this : Boxes upon boxes of sets 1-3 they sell them for 25$, sets 4-5 35$, set 6 retail price (because the low print begun), set 7-8 500$ (impossible to find relics basically). There are still some players playing, they feel nostalgia, they want to sets 7-8. Even though there is only 2000 world wide players still playing that dead tcg, there is only 10 sealed sets 7-8 left, prices go up. Supply and demand. Im not saying this translates for lorcana, but be wary, nothing is guranted.

[@lif3l3ssgaming]

I havnt played a tcg seriously for like 15 years and the idea of trying to get into magic or other tcgs 15-20+ years old feels overwhelming i recently gotten into lorcana and i am glad i did its easy barrier to entry yet have enough depth to be competitive has me diving in head first also being able to get my kids/wife into it has been a plus.

[@jish55]

Magic is easy enough to get into because after you learn the basic rules (which have remained essentially the same for the last 15 or so years), everything else becomes easy, and if you're just wanting to play and not learn the lore, then you won't have to really worry about too much info.

[@Chris3s]

@@jish55 that is the mentality of an experienced player. Magic is definitely not easy to get into, so much more complicated compared to newer TCGs or board/card games

[@lif3l3ssgaming]

@@Chris3s Yeah this 100% and everytime ive tried to get into magic been pretty much turned off by people like this who feel their game is so simple(its not from complete newbie pov) like i said so many years since ive ever played a TCG. Lorcana has been the only community on a more mass scale i dont feel like im getting shit on for asking things.

[@ramchi911]

Lorcana Really feels like this generations pokemon. The kids just have so much glow in their eyes with it

[@HometownTcg]

Agreed.

[@samuelbourdeau1545]

I love lorcana, and my daughter that’s 2 and a half loves looking at the cards and knowing every single character she can name. it’s that nostalgia factor that got me involved. Lorcana’s been around for a year and enchanted prices and “hit” cards for players aren’t anywhere near hitting 0. organized play events are selling out in 3min for 2000 players. Being new to the TCG space. I think those are pretty good numbers. but I get that it needs to stand the test of time. and sell well in LGS stores continually.

[@ijustwannaplay]

Before lorcana I played magic and pokemon but I switched to lorcana as my main game and I've never had as big of a social life until now 😂 I've taken road trips with the people I play with and we've all hung out outside of playing and honestly this game has changed my life

[@rm7581]

Lorcana is the best designed TCG to come out in a very long time

[@HometownTcg]

It sure seems to be wildly successful!

[@Theboardbro]

I would say that they have done little to no marketing so far and have only tapped into the folks who were already in the TCG space or games space. It isn’t even available where the real Disney fans are such as inside the theme parks or advertised by Disney themselves. So I think once they really get the ball rolling with parks and new films and whatnot I think it still has potential to grow exponentially into the future.

[@Dwarven_Steel_Games]

It's literally in the parks and sells out regularly out the stores.

[@mjp3898]

Ever since the game came out I've gotten a box per set. The way Yu-Gi-Oh is going it would not surprise me if a new 3rd tcg rise up. Whether it's one piece, dbs, lorcana I'm sure something will replace it unless Konami goes into a massive overhaul.

[@beardedcat9744]

I would say it’s going to be either Lorcana or OP I see alot more yugioh players coming to Lorcana but that could be my local area. One Piece there’s only like 3/4 shops that I know of that have product or have events Lorcana there’s already atleast 20+.

[@christhorpe8000]

@@beardedcat9744 from just things ive seen personally here in australia lorcana is the second most popular card game (i work in retail) its pokemon then lorcana things such like dbs and yu-gi-oh are only really sold at game stores and mtg is sold most places besides bigger retailers but its quiet expensive and prices a lot of people out i see boxes sit on shelves for months before selling

[@calebfaltinowski7473]

Also with 2-3 rares per box, you don't need to open as many boxes to get all the cards as well.

[@tris228]

Am I the only one that thought shimmering skies was just meh?

[@berzerk130]

this game has been a bridge that let me bring my fiancée in on tcgs for the first time, and she's having a great time with it. We've already met friends through it! Those connections are what matters

[@HometownTcg]

I totally agree! My wife has played lorcana games with me and she normally can’t stand TCGs!

[@monkaxb1ps422]

Same! Got my girlfriend who used to look at me side eyed with MTG is now asking to play Sealed Deck 😂 whenever I get a Lorcana box she picks 6 packs and builds a deck

[@88kage]

Wow ! ❤

[@berzerk130]

@@monkaxb1ps422 have you tried 2-pack rush with her? It's a great way to make a trove more fun

[@Mycatz]

I quit playing magic years ago got busy with life wanted to play FaB but hasn’t grown in my area. Finished my masters degree in May now I’ve got more time for card games again. I like lorcana but it’s just almost too simple. Started playing the Star Wars TCG it’s really good have been really surprised.

[@der_magische_Investor]

That twist was quite surprising

[@HometownTcg]

Hopefully it was worth the watch!

[@Jedi_flodux]

I been playing TCG's for a while now. I played Pokemon, Yu-Gi-OH, MTG, and now Star Wars Unlimited and Lorcana. I have played and collected Lorcana since the First Chapter. As far as as the TCG is concerned, its simple and complex at the same time which is amazing since everyone can get into this lovely card game, beautiful car, fun characters, and it's Disney. Brings out the kid in everyone. Honestly, the community around Lorcana is some of the nicest and friendliest

[@sh41]

I find myself buying less and less Lorcana mostly because at the beginning you were making decks... now we go for incremental improvements, it starts to feel like standard. I'm not buying starters anymore. I got a Trove once. No need to get more. And yes, I do play it with my daughter too.

[@Foxtrot_Woof]

I have not decided if I want to fully get on the Lorcana train yet. I was really, REALLY, R-E-A-L-L-Y, put off by the unavailability and scalper pricing of the 1st Chapter and Rise of the Floodborn to the point of I never got any cards from those sets at all. I did buy a few starter decks from Shimmering Skies and Ursala's Return as well as a few boosters from Inklands, but I'm less $100 into the game and I don't know anybody actually playing it. I just don't know if I'm going to continue to pursue it or not yet at this point. I am not a TCG/CCG fan in general because of the bottomless money pit they can become, I got out of MTG in the mid '90s because I could already see that it was becoming VERY expensive, and quite frankly I'd rather buy a hobby board game and stick it on the shelf instead.

[@Illumiteers]

Great video. Enjoyed the analysis and the personal stories. Keep it up!

[@HeyApples]

I spend enough time at card shops to see a constant stream of Pokemon card buyers who admit they barely (if at all) know how to play the game. They just collect the characters. Disney has a larger portfolio of characters and die hard fans just the same. So long as they can dust off the early growing pains and stabilize, I agree with your sentiment completely. Between a solid game system and the non player collectors, they have some long term potential.

[@HometownTcg]

Agreed. People buy the packs for all different reasons and imo that’s good for lorcana

[@el676]

Maybe and I don’t know. Pokemon is completely different and managers at the top have proven time and time again their business acumen and genuine dedication for their brand. Lorcana isn’t owned by Disney but rather an unaffiliated board game company (Ravensburger). Price ares higher because of this but more importantly, if it starts to not to do well, Disney is not bailing it out. Bob Iger will this die in a heartbeat if it saves money. Disney is already struggling a bit with park sales because it’s so darn expensive. If this were owned by Disney and a key part of its future I would feel differently. The game is entirely on the hands of Ravensburger. Doesn’t mean they don’t be successful, it just feels they won’t be able to weather the highs and lows as much. Disney Lorcana is really Ravensburger Lorcana - licensed by Disney.

[@alexfernandez7529]

I'm enjoying Lorcana as a good casual fun family game. It make it pretty easy for my family of 5 to unplug and enjoy a pretty easy to play game for a few times a week. My kids are quite happy to play their favorite cards and are slowly power creeping their decks with more powerful cards.

[@Temurmemer]

If they don’t rush out a digital game it’s over they will never recover. Magic and Yugioh got away with it for years because of when they released but there is no way Lorcana can survive off collectors alone.

[@Dwarven_Steel_Games]

Pixelborn was actually very damaging to the game. Yes it's nice to play it for free. But that's the problem, there were a lot of people who only played on Pixelborn and immediately left when they could no longer play it for free online.

[@lunk2551]

I mean there’s stacks and stack of product just sitting in shops and big box stores. I think Lorcana really has grabbed everyone it can. The game also isn’t evolving.

[@audiotech1983]

does this mean i should sell my whole collection before it loses all value? Ive been hearing that Lorcana is dying.

[@Vosch-t1d]

Lorcana is fun, but: Draft or Sealed is not much fun for me. Since set 4 i buy only single card to improve existing decks. So i have no reason to buy a booster box.

[@badoww4921]

you meander a lot in your thoughts. only like 2 mins was about lorcana

[@audiotech1983]

it's drastically lower because First three chapters have the strongest cards for agro players. You don't get 1 ink 2 lore cards in chapter 4 and 5. Or OP locations like the Queens Castle.

[@dracowolf2081]

I agree with you and had a same sway with lorcana. But seeing my kids gather my bulk of lorcana and Digimon into their bags, and starting to recognize them makes me happy.

[@HometownTcg]

It still makes me smile - she pulled out her Aladdin box today and started working through cards and just saying character names

[@dracowolf2081]

@HometownTcg yeah that's the best. Or when they know the references in the cards related to the movies and shows. My daughter calls those out when she watches wrecked Ralph.

[@rorobear1940]

Shimmering Skies is a great high powered set with decent value in the pulls. I do think they need to tighten print runs a bit and maybe sprinkle a little more spice in the boxes for collectors. The game is great to play, I see it sticking around for a while

[@shoot_again2753]

I agree and have been doing the same all year. Also Ilumineer's Troves are the rarest product SKU in all sets. Value of packs alone will not make sense but as merely a collectors item they will stay highly desirable IMO.

[@coolabpainters]

My girl did the exact same thing. He smiled and joy of doing cards exact the same..gold mined.i told my girl same thing..love the dad vibes ❤u did the same

[@aurasphere87]

I think the game will survive but....... unlike pokemon, magic, yugioh etc many people are stockpiling sealed product which was definitely not the case in the 90s-00s. Average people simply have more capital whether cash or access to credit not to mention knowledge based on predecessor tcgs to hold sealed product. Looks like in 20 years there will be a bunch of sealed/graded product to not warrant high values. Just my opinion. (I'm sitting on a case of each set indefinitely)

[@szendrenko]

You can't use one website after a policy change - to make any reliable conclusions. It's extremely unprofessional to make such conclusions

[@SorareJuju]

I randomly searched Lorcana today on KZbin and came to this video. I am from Germany, i play Yu Gi Oh and collect Pokemon for years now and today was the first time I opened the site of tcgplayer. What i want to say is, yes this video has valuable points but for example with the Gamescom in Germany taken place two weeks ago I am 100% sure the numbers look different in other countries and sites.

[@8bitgoonies]

I play lorcana, I also collect but I haven't bought one pack of Shimerring skys, why? I don't need any of the cards, my decks work great and are very competitive with the first 4 sets, ill buy a few singles from each set moving forward to improve decks but im done with boxes

[@HometownTcg]

Buying singles is a totally good way to interact with the hobby!

[@monkaxb1ps422]

I agree if you’re not interested in the commons / uncommons or otherwise have an open outlook to building a new deck, don’t buy a box. I buy boxes when I have decks but want to build another one so based on my pulls, I let the wind take me in that direction to whatever I can build

[@christophertolbert4275]

Same if you’ve been playing since set 1 or two you have all the cards you need to build competitive decks of any color combo . Singles are it for me . I’ll buy six packs for sealed but that’s it

[@Brandonhart100]

Just bought my second case of shimmering skies. Love it. I sell on TCGPlayer and I will say something... the release of Shimmering skies I had so many single sales I couldn't even keep up with it. So, I wonder if people realize the product will come down after the first couple of weeks, already have a lot of product and cards, and just want to buy the singles on the whole from now on.

[@ShonenStyle]

The game is expanding, and buyers are getting it from another places as availability increases.

[@Cherrycake7]

My biggest problem with the TCG is the barrier to entry, in terms of getting a deck that can compete in a normal LGS night. It can cost hundreds just for a few play sets of core singles 💀. Having the same card in multiple rarities (like pokemon TCG) would most likely help at least a little bit

[@sultanofswing9838]

But this is true for most TCGs that aren’t Pokémon. Magic and YGO decks are far more expensive to be competitive, many Lorcana players are usually very willing to trade and help you build for much cheaper than just buying TCG singles

[@akebo92]

Before at my LGS people played competitive decks starting out, but as time has gone on and more available cards come out, people have been making less competitive theme decks to mess around with until tournament time. Someone the other day made a Flotsam Jetsam deck and another did a Mickey and friends only deck.

[@Cherrycake7]

@@akebo92 wish the players at mine were that chill lol 😆 I want to run brooms for fun

[@jsturm5hk8h]

You can have a competive deck for less than $60.

[@beardedcat9744]

This game is the cheapest TCG out of the big ones. The most expensive deck will run you close to $400 and that’s if you’re heavily invested into that color combination you don’t need to play that. Like others in here are saying you can build something under $100 and do decent with it at locals or even at Set Champs. I play red purple which is a meta deck and I got everything for about $200 which is fairly cheap when it comes to tcg standards. Yugioh you need playsets of cards that are $50+ each.

[@wademiller2376]

Is George aware of your new opinions on the goat?

[@calebfaltinowski7473]

I only buy local. Most everyone by me buys local.

[@TruthSpeaker893]

I was happy with the announcement because it keeps scalpers away and that they want this game to stay kid friendly. This game is really fun and a great way to get none tcg players in. The tcg landscape as a whole, will grow from lorcana.

[@Spamthulhu]

5th set sag is a thing. People who realize cards cost a lot over time shakes off new buyers.

[@aaronbuffalo7769]

only first set has any speculative value or nostalgia, it was heavily frontloaded with bomb legendaries. You can get an entire floodborn set for about $60 with only Beast and Mim Fox being the only cards above $4. Inklands is cheaper now ursula and diablo came down . Overall, I don't see any trend that will lead me to believe anything other than first chapter will ever hold any future weight.

[@mmej726]

you can easily pre-order the shimmering skies that says its not selling the many.

[@Gafweebo]

He thinks early boxes will be valuable down the road and will collect them. I saved you ten minutes

[@jish55]

The major issue with Lorcana is that unlike other tcgs that can create new cards every set, Lorcana has to rely heavily on ip, something that isn't sustainable. You can only make so many Mickey, Belle, Elsa, Hercules, etc. cards before they all just appear the same and become void of any differences to make them valuable in their own right. Only way for Lorcana's survival is to start moving towards implementing non ip characters so that it can stand a chance of surviving longer than 5 years.

[@dmelz7751]

Pikachu and Charizard would disagree, I feel like there are plenty of versions of both

[@Say-ro4rq]

Thanks for showing us why you don't design games lmao or even play apparently lmao mtg, pokemon, one piece all do exactly what you said lorcana can't do 😂😂😂

[@TriniTron.]

Disney has over 100 years worth of animation/ips and that’s not including everything they’re gonna make they won’t run out of ideas any times soon

[@krusifier]

Don't forget there going a mirrorverse route so there could be so many different variations as well as bring in different gimmicks it's not like they'd shy away from cross overs either so it's possible they could bring in marvels big hero 6 so many different routes they could take from here

[@BlazeBerger]

Love the shirt! 🤙

[@mikevincent564]

Feels like too many sets too quickly, but love the game!

[@mkthorn]

You should take a look at Altered TCG. I would watch your review, discussion

[@LorcanaGoons]

Love this

[@HometownTcg]

Thanks for watching!

[@TealGaming-fb8bs]

I got two cases of skies coming in… don’t tell me this sh**

[@therealsheldonjplankton]

Thought you were having a Lorcana clearance sale because of your thumbnail, nvm.dislike.

[@scruffylookngaming]

Good riddance to the flippers and scalpers. Go back to pump and dumping the games that nobody plays instead.

[@HometownTcg]

Yeah for sure - they were making the boxes cost so much and really hard to come by in recent sets - hopefully the prices of everything can come down a bit without flippers and scalpers

[@Rayquaza894]

So lorcana?

[@scruffylookngaming]

@@Rayquaza894 sure, you can live in that fantasy land if it makes you feel better.

[@coletheripper8756]

I'm only 10 seconds into this video and the fact that I'm surrounded by nothing but magic the gathering in the background makes me think this comes from a bias, and there's a reason why he chose to make it that way instead of a flat background, it's almost as if it was as the coast is tapping him on the shoulder saying that hey they're getting hyped and we need y'all to calm down

[@HometownTcg]

Well you’re in for a bit of a twist it seems 🤣

[@lerak8452]

I see a lot more people playing. Especially women and couples.

[@HometownTcg]

My wife will play Lorcana with me from time to time.

[@lerak8452]

@HometownTcg I met two new couples in open play at the LGS. Just started playing. One of the husbands plays Magic and now Lorcana because his wife plays. See how that happened. Wife plays he plays. Men are like puppy dogs. Easily walked and trained. I'm a guy just older and chuckle every time I see it. Women are amazing.

[@Chris3s]

@@lerak8452 not everything is about being a dog or trained (or bottom), it is about respecting each other and spending time together. If there is communication, then both agreed to play together

[@OldWorldMicmac]

🀄🀄🀄

[@HometownTcg]

💪💪💪

[@jpram901]

Lorcana is by far the best designed TCG I’ve played in a long time, the inking mechanic is so well designed for card balance as well as the biggest skill point in the game, makes it almost impossible to stall and is impossible to flood.

[@totalkrash7773]

The inking system is based off of the dragon ball super card game. Makes that game really good too. Good system.