Why I Don’t Carry My Sig Sauer P365’s

[@spnfirearms]

Watch the p365 vs hellcat 500 rounds each in one video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZWzZomqh7tre7csi=f5Mvx8KhpQPk8JCJ

[@brianbolton8199]

I have 2 P365’s. Your the only one I know who doesn’t like em. They are easy to shoot, to clean, they are accurate, great capacity, eats everything, concealable. I’ve put a thousand rounds through each. I use em for church security, sweat, no rust issues. I couldn’t disagree more.

[@bloodycrepe]

I don't like them neither

[@BooneGribble]

Enjoy your Made In India MIM pistol.

[@brianbolton8199]

@@BooneGribble The P365, which replaced the P290RS, is produced in Newington, New Hampshire. “MIN”

[@BooneGribble]

@brianbolton8199 It says New Hampshire on the Grip Module. However the internals are Made In India. MIM is metal injection molding. India has a huge facility where they make SIG SAUER MIM parts. Sigs are low quality garbage.

[@BooneGribble]

@brianbolton8199 Go ahead, and google SIG Made In India. Theres tons of forums where they discuss this in detail, and provide proof. SIG SAUER parts come in packaging that says "Made In India".

[@raifcluster]

I'm glad to see you use the words "I" and "My" in your title. You've had some bad experiences with your Sig P365s and therefore have decided not to carry them. I have been shooting for 50 years. I've owned Colt, Ruger, Glock, Springfield Armory, Beretta, HK, Kimber, Browning and other handguns that had something either go wrong or just irritate me. If I were to go on a pontifical rant on every manufacturer that produced a lemon, I would have to resort to carrying a sword. With the knowledge that no manufacturer can create a perfect gun, my Sig P365s have functioned with zero issues with any of them. None of them rusted, although my Colt, Beretta, and Kimber did. So, you don't trust your P365; I'm happy that you have something else to carry every day. I'll keep carrying mine. Every day. Why? Because after so many rounds, I trust it.

[@spnfirearms]

Exactly! It’s all about preference and what works for us and what doesn’t. I currently am testing my new sig p365 and really hoping it continues to run the way it has and then I may even carry it. Added new grip module so it fits my hands better, just want to make sure it runs flawlessly before carrying it. I appreciate the comment and view. Respect

[@edyartzi]

That a serious Handgun Acquisition Disorder

[@ghostfitness5605]

If people don’t like them sell them if you can’t trust them. Makes no sense to just keep it for no reason.

[@96stealth]

He gave the reason. Did you even watch the full vid? Probably not.

[@MolanLabe78]

Ive owned the original p365 for 4 or 5 years now. Carried it concealed 75% of that time. No rust and has been through several thousand rounds and i honestly can't remember it ever giving me an issue. Btw i live in Florida so its seen its share of sweat too. Been great for me but by all means enjoy you chonky glocks fan bois!✌️

[@greatbg]

Been carrying the 365xl for 3 years now. Added the Wilson combat grip mod a year ago. I have never had a problem with it at all. I will admit the fcu is a puzzle box. No rust issues as of now.

[@sarge131]

I've owned Glocks and Sigs for 35 years. I've never had an issue with either brand. I've found both to be equally reliable. I currently carry a Sig P365 X-Macro and haven't had a single issue you're complaining about.

[@robbieb2011]

My P365 sometimes doesn't catch the slide on last round. Maybe I have my thumb on the release. But the empty mag follower should prevent that

[@JayG1911]

I’ve had reliability issues with the very first sig I’ve owned. I’ve owned a total of 3 and 2 had reliability issues. M18 had FTF on sig ammo, p365 had problems with manual safety. Each person’s experience is different, and in my experience, they’ve been bad 2/3 of the time. Glock on the other hand has been 100% for me.

[@RandyBurke-vo1vh]

@@JayG1911 this may be. But you are the first I have heard of failures to feed on m - 18. Sometimes people make shit up

[@JayG1911]

@@RandyBurke-vo1vh if you watch Honest Outlaws videos on it, he has many malfunctions caught on camera. It doesn’t take much searching to find there are reliability problems with them. If yours works for you, great, but they didn’t work for me. This has just been my experience with them so I don’t trust them. Yeah a lot of people make stuff up, and a lot of people blindly believe stuff too. As for the individual that deleted my previous comment, stop the censorship.

[@RandyBurke-vo1vh]

@@JayG1911 honest outlaw had the 365 spectre comp as one of his favorite carry guns. But don’t believe you tube gun channels. Big business gets to these guys and has them do all kind of crazy stuff. I watched a video and a famous you tuber was previewing the s&w pc 10 mm (new one) it malfunctioned so many times and at end of video he gave it a 5 star review. As for honest outlaw he later said he was riding the slide his wife shot it great.

[@glocktown21]

I have carried the same Glock 26 Gen 3 for over 9 years. No rust, shoots flawlessly, I clean and lube a couple times a year. It's the TOYOTA LAND CRUISER of the Firearm world. May not be pretty but the reliability is!

[@spnfirearms]

Yes exactly. Well said! Respect!

[@samdiggly4292]

Thank you, my step dad bought me a sig p320 m18 I dropped it and it sent a bullet and almost killed my neighbor, yes blame on me for dropping it but what the heck lol, next my step dad bought me a sig p320x and the mags are almost as much as full cart of groceries and take like 2 weeks to set in nice and they suck at loading, I hate it. Any suggestions? I am not getting a sig ever again

[@georgeryan3534]

Absolutely can't beat a glock if it ain't broke don't fix it wear my gen 3glock 26for 16yrs no problem

[@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags]

I shoot my Glock 19 gen 3 very well but I want a P365 for CCW Glock 26 seems like a good option but tbh I don’t want another Glock I want different brands and only want to buy high end brands from now on like sig, hk, and fn

[@Mr.Mikey.Holiday]

@@samdiggly4292i have a p320 xcompact, i loaded it up and put in in a dryer tumbler for 4 hours and couldn’t get it to fire.

[@sevse23]

Trust is about emotions, and emotions are very personal. So the fact that you don't trust Sigs is entirely unhelpful to me. You had some malfunctions in one Sig, big deal. I had 2 Glocks malfunctioning bad in the past. Does this mean I'll never carry a Glock again? You heard about other people's rust issues with Sigs, as everyone by now did. I had a Walther, a H&K rust on me, and recently saw a rust blanket on a friend's Shield Plus. So what? Does this mean I'll never carry a Walther or a Shield Plus? Come on. I totally respect your nervousness about Sig, I just don't know what to do with it. Those are your feelings. I'll stick to your factual content, which I happen to enjoy a lot. This happens not to be one of your factual videos.

[@melina_superiority]

The title of the video is clearly opinion based

[@sevse23]

@@melina_superiority I get it. But you do expect to garner some insights, even from a subjective view. This one is so subjective, boiling down to fluff. "I had a couple hiccups in one of several guns of the same make" - who doesn't? "I heard about rust issues" - who hasn't? It's like saying "I'd like to blue camo cerakote all my guns". Good for you, but what do I make out of it? He ha many useful videos, I subbed because I like his content. It's that when you see the title you expect some deeper insights.

[@charlesbeall2589]

"Feelings" verses thoughts and beliefs are what separate the "enlightened" from the knuckle draggers of today!😆

[@96stealth]

@@sevse23While he didn’t do a very good job of explaining why he doesn’t prefer it, there are a lot of valid points that Sig is no longer a premium manufacturer. I just bought the X macro with the comp. The mags it came with look like some of the cheapest mags I’ve seen. The coating on them isn’t very good. Compared to my old 320 mags. People have complained of rust recently more than other companies. There’s also a lot of weird issues them that you don’t see with other guns. Like it not firing, but will fire when held upside down. Or won’t fire, but will if you shake it a little. It’s like a German car (over engineered). My motto is to base it on testing the gun you have and not as a whole. As long as my new 365 is reliable, I will trust it. I’m not going to base my opinion based on other people’s guns, because that’s not the gun I own. What this guy should’ve said is the plastic Sigs seem to have more problems than others. So he has more trust with better track records.

[@127AFS]

I recently got a 365 in 380 because I wanted a micro compact that I could shoot better than the 9mm version. I've shot the 9mms before and done okay, but nothing special. Despite doing my fair share of handgun shooting, I have never really considered myself the greatest shot with anything other than a full size pistol. But the 365 in 380 is the first compact firearm to truly inspire confidence in my aim, especially after adding the XL grip module and a Hogue grip sleeve. I've never fired as quickly or as accurately with a smaller handgun before. Many people will probably sneer at the thought of using a 380 that large as a primary EDC, but it works for me so I don't care. I did consider other similar options like the Glock 42 and S&W EZ, but I wasn't impressed by their lack of capacity. Going with a .380 as a primary CCW is already a huge compromise, so compromising on capacity as well didn't make much sense to me. Anyways, the only other option that came up in my research was the Ruger Security 380. It definitely fit the capacity requirements, but felt like a cheap, chunky brick in my hand compared to the SIG. No, a 365 may not be for everyone, and that's completely okay! Mine hasn't had any reliability issues as of yet, but it is a little concerning to hear about the rust issue with yours. I'll definitely have to keep an eye on it. Thanks for the video!

[@Thesusoperator]

nothing wrong with your choices my guy, u carry what you like. don't be a hater like this dude makin vids on youtube.

[@josephklimchock5412]

Thanks for the info on the 380 version. As an older mechanic with hands that sometimes suffer my all my years beating them up due to work, the 380 might be better for me. I regret selling the great Sig P320 in all stainless that I had over 25 years ago. That thing might have only held 8 total, but it carried flat due to single stack mag. A bit heavy but that made it absorb any recoil from the small gun. But not a gun you would shoot more that 50 rds any given time. I just hate to spend on the expensive and somewhat hard to get .380 rounds. Its out there but as you cost, can cost 50-100% more than 9mm. Have no idea why since it is smaller in length and materials.

[@rustypugh123]

“I don’t like Sigs.” “This is my favorite Sig.” 😂😂 I do like your videos though.

[@tehclefty5317]

“I bought every P365 just for comparisons though.” Like c’mon bruv..😅

[@Swampytheroot]

I have several P365. I have 2 I interchange for daily carry. Both are original short frames with curved triggers. One is a ported SAS, the other has an XL slide. They each have over 5k rounds through them. They use the same magazines because I just pick up a different gun with the same go pack. They go in the same holster. I don't like the flat trigger. The XL frame is fine, but it's more difficult to conceal. Im not sure what your experience is different from mine, but mine make carrying dramatically easier than the smallest Glock

[@bennyboy6367]

I just purchased a P365 here in California. I'm waiting for my "ten days." Your point about the simplicity of the Glock is something I strongly considered. My G19 always goes bang even though I feed it only my reloads with range brass from who knows where. I wanted a G48 but California says No! I'll find out soon enough if the Sig holds up.

[@MiguelXVI]

Keep us updated brother

[@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags]

I’m also in California and I also have Glock 19 I’m considering getting p365 because I want a micro 9 I don’t want a g26 because it’s double stack and I can’t buy the 43x or 48 like you mentioned

[@armenianballa41]

Why can’t you purchase a G48? Also, what do you mean by “ten days”? I’m genuinely curious. Thank you in advance!

[@exoticwhipsbroadspipesandbags]

@@armenianballa41 California has a gun roster and a 10 day waiting period

[@RandyBurke-vo1vh]

@@bennyboy6367 well the 226 out performed all guns during military testing including Glock and beretta. The average 226 went 2228 shots before any issues. The next closest was not Glock but Beretta with 1800. Now this was 20 some years ago. But it kills me when people act like sig is some new kid on the block. I like both sig and Glock. But I am very happy that sig nudged Glock into finally putting out guns with mos capability’s and other extras people want. Sedations on front Better sights. Etc

[@champy1210]

I was a SIG hater. Now, however, as the P365 Series wrinkles have been thoroughly ironed out, I find it to be the top micro-9 EDC. They’ve been flawless, and they shoot better than the 43X - which is a phenomenal firearm (albeit w/ meager OEM capacity). The 365 irons are the best standard sights in the industry IMO. The P320 is absolute trash; I would NEVER trust one. The rust issue on the 365s is very annoying, but it’s cosmetic, and some MPro 7 lube weekly isn’t an excessive burden to me. A German micro-9 decock-only (or LEM) hammer gun w/ paddle mag releases is what we desperately want. (Looking at you, HK and Walther.) All that aside, HK makes the finest defensive firearms in the world. Nobody else even comes close. I wish they’d offer a micro-9. (The soon-to-debut VP9CC will be nice, but it’s no hammer gun.) Hammers are important for safer holstering and drawing. Glock refuses to innovate. They rest on their laurels, and we’re sick and tired of waiting for them to meet our demand.

[@tehclefty5317]

I agree with everything you said, except I think Springfield Armory’s U Iron sights are the best in the industry. I haven’t found better iron sights on a pistol yet. 👍🏻

[@champy1210]

@@tehclefty5317 It’s funny; as I wrote that, I momentarily considered the HC irons. Not sure if I’m sold on the U-notch. I don’t use one, so I can’t comment on those sights’ performance.

[@BlueRidgeCritter]

Glock refuses to change something that works. Glock users put reliability at number one. I'm not saying anything bad about HK, except I don't like the feel of them or the looks of them, but that's beside the point… I just have no reason to want one. My Glocks do everything I want them to do, and I have no interest in them changing anything that might impact their dependability. I don't even care about the sights, I have never had a pistol of any brand (except for one) that I didn't change the sights on. But I disagree with the argument that Glock owners are tired of waiting… I know a lot of us that aren't. I guess the question is, waiting for what? We like the triggers OK, it's a half cock safety system so yes, the triggers are heavy. The grip angle? A lot of us like it. They switched up to marksman barrels, they have come out with better triggers, and they are still keeping for 100% dependability. So what is it we are waiting for supposedly? Am I a fan boy? Yes, and I didn't start out that way, but over the years Glock has proven itself to me. And I have sold most of my S&W's, Springfields, and Sigs.

[@tehclefty5317]

@@BlueRidgeCritter Let me stop you at “Glock users put reliability first.” If you’re starting with that corny shxt, then the rest of your comment isn’t worth reading. Every gun owner puts reliability first. No, Glock is not the most reliable pistol ever, not even the most reliable for the price. They have failed on police many times. This isn’t 2008 anymore gramps. Go with pistols that are just as, or more reliable, but actually come out of the box great. Not needing 5 upgrades to be on there competitors level… You’re a shill, or you’ve been conned like the others.

[@beasthandler9263]

Have you tried the Cz rami with the decocker? Sounds close to what you want, mine unfortunately has the manual safety and I don’t ever carry it but it is a solid beautiful gun.

[@sombra6153]

I have a 365 9mm with thumb safety. I haven’t yet had any issues. Only beef is that mags are really hard to load to capacity when new. Other than that, it works fine. I noted that they have. A lot of packing gunk on them when new that really ought to be cleaned off. I was a Glock guy since 1987. They work and are very durable and simple. I hate the shape of the factory trigger shoe however. Few options when you kind of need to keep the carry gun stock. In 30 plus years of Glock shooting and carrying, I’ve seen slides and internals rust. Rare but it will happen when they’re neglected. Still shot, but they’ll rust.

[@NittyGritty420]

They break in eventually thankfully.

[@brianbolton8199]

I did have a break in period of about a month with the magazines. No issues now.

[@almost.an.athlete]

As a long time fan I remember when you were having those issues with your seer in your p365. That would be super frustrating for anyone. As an admitted sig fan boy I do have to say that I feel as though sig gets a bad rap. The p320 issues were unexcusable but I do feel like the p365xl is the best concealed carry option for a multitude of reasons and as a huge spokesperson for cc I feel like you should through it through an extensive torture test and see if your assumptions about sig are true. Admittedly only because I can't afford to and I am very curious about the trigger issues specifically lol. Anyway much love and God bless.

[@matthewlong7073]

Dude come on. You totally put out a slam piece on Sig, not fair representation. I love your channel and how you don’t go with the hip trends, but I don’t think this is fair at all. Not carrying something because of preferences is totally understandable and cool, but I don’t believe this is fair. And I carried a G43x (not biased).

[@spnfirearms]

I talked about the malfunction I had at 400 rounds. I have videos up on it. My p365 completely locked back. It was taken to a gun smith and fixed with new sear springs that were out of spec. I couldn’t even get the slide off. It would have completely of failed me if I needed it.

[@matthewlong7073]

@@spnfirearms you shit on sig, then the p320 on top of the p365 which have predominately been reliable. I do believe Mr Guns n Gear started his channel when he had a Glock 19 gen 3 that just had countless major issues. Something to keep in mind, especially when issues are not common. Like I said, just didn’t think it was fair IMHO.

[@richierich3053]

The only problem I've had with my p365 has been light primer strikes with Winchester white box 124 grain all bought at the same time a couple years back other than that not a single issue with any other ammo brands. It is my EDC and I trust my life with it.

[@Garbo38]

My Glock 19 had 3 duds in a box of 100 Winchester white box, I think it’s the ammo not the gun.

[@rangersmith4652]

My P365 is a .380, and I'm just starting to carry it, transitioning from a TCP that has been flawless despite its low price and iffy reputation. I'll probably still deep conceal the TCP no matter what main arm I'm carrying. I have four Glocks, all three "traditional" sizes, and a pair of Daggers (so far just fine), but none of them are as easy to conceal as the P365. Haven't found a really good holster solution yet. My P365 currently wears a Holosun EPS Carry and TLR-7 Sub, and that's proving to be troublesome. Not the gun, not the light, not the sight. The size of the gun and the light together. I'm 5'11' and 165 lbs, so I find concealment of anything bigger than my hand to be problematic in warm weather. That's why I've carried the TCP or my S&W 642 for so long. I'm trying out a Crossbreed holster, which works very well for the gun/light/'sight combo, but it's difficult getting used to a non-leather holster. As the weather gets cooler in a couple of months, I think this will get easier.

[@whiskeythree1622]

Have had my sexy TCP for many years, have heard numerous reports of reliable ones. Unfortunate mine isn't. But it IS perfect in it's dimensions. I intend to work with it to improve the internal flaws. And I may pick up an extra one here or there to compare. Congrats on yours! I have an XL which I've really enjoyed ( beside returning it for a dead front night site ), just got a tacops grip ordered to convert. Ultimately it's my home defense piece. Love the feel of the 365's & the flat triggers -- hope Glock presents a good flat trigger someday. Plan to get a .380 P365 for carry soon -- reliable, concealable and very shootable. Thanks for your post!

[@murrayjimm]

Try a pocket holster from Alabama Holster.

[@allenbundy5092]

You can purchase ANY part INSIDE the FCU WITHOUT a background check. I mail ordered a complete set of spare parts for my P365 FCU and slide. It's only the serialized FCU frame for which you need to pass a background check in order to purchase. I can disassemble and reassemble the P365 FCU blindfolded. The most difficult item to remove and replace is the extractor coiled spring pin. With the proper size punch and starter punch it's easy. There is NO difference between the curved and straight trigger EXCEPT for the shape! The FCUs and internal parts are identical. The required trigger pull force is identical at the tip of the trigger. The curved trigger (which I prefer) keeps your finger pulling at the middle of the trigger. If you have a fat finger you will still pull at the middle of the straight trigger and the pull force will be the same as the curved trigger. If you have a thin finger you can pull the trigger closer to the tip of the straight trigger and you will have more leverage and the required pull force will be less. But the break will be identical with either the straight or curved trigger. If you are truly worried about reliability for carry, buy two P365s. One for carry with a very low round count and the 2nd for target practice that you can beat to crap. Everyone needs to have at least two pistols so they have a backup if one pistol develops problems.

[@bobbenzin8395]

I have a P365 XL Specter Comp that I shoot well. A great carry pistol. The trigger work and attention to the detail regarding fit and finish made it worth the extra money. I spent quite a bit to make my P320 Compact a custom. Then I bought I bought a Specter Comp and found the pros at Sig have more talent. Great pieces.

[@mattr918]

I give the 365 a pass on rust because I pretty much rust every gun I sweat on. Glocks and shields included. For such a small gun I just shoot extremely well..

[@timothyellis596]

The M&P slides are made out of stainless. Even if/when the finish wears off, it still won't rust.

[@spnfirearms]

Yes exactly. Can’t beat that! Respect

[@CapnHilts]

Thats the same with the sig, stainless plus Nitron on top right?

[@arcadesurvival8469]

I had a glock 19 Crack so I've stayed away from golck ever since. I've had 3 sigs and shot 1000's of round of each with zero issues. When I was in the army I had a colt Ar15 that jammed on me multiple times and I had a dpms ar15 that never jammed on me. I don't think any one is better than the other but we each have our own experiences with these firearms whether good or bad.

[@smithparker7971]

Like to share my experience with p365. I have three of them, p365x at 6100 rounds, p365xl at 9500 rounds, xmacro at 4300 rounds, the p365x and the xmacro have no issue at all, my p365xl had a few failed to extract at 8500 rounds, I replaced with a new extractor kit ($20), run through additional 1000 rounds flawlessly, the xl is a happy shooter again. I carry them all and I am pretty accurate with p365s, I shoot 3-4 inch groups at 25 yards. I also own 2 glocks and a few m&p, they are all great firearms to me, love them all.

[@JNOSNOW]

I have carried a p365 xl all day every day for 2 years now. Ruat is a problem but i just cerakoted it and keep the mags doused in corrosion X. I just dont like glocks or smiths or a bunch of others. I just shoot it so good and its so reliable that its worth it

[@t1rth]

Can confirm, I traded in my P365 X-Macro Comp because of rust issues. My rust started on the optic cut screws, and eventually my irons as well. I cleaned it weekly, covered the slide with a small amount oil and still ran into issues. Traded it in for a Glock 43X, not looking back

[@tehclefty5317]

Just like I & others suspected. Why are you cleaning your firearm weekly? Were you putting 1000 rounds through it weekly? If not then you’re over cleaning it which can lead to rusting.

[@bloodycrepe]

​@@tehclefty5317putting a light coat of oil on doesn't cause a firearm to rust

[@tehclefty5317]

@@bloodycrepe Putting a light coat of oil on your pistol isn’t cleaning it either. Try harder bot.

[@bloodycrepe]

@@tehclefty5317 read his comment again. And stop running your firearms through a dish washing machine, troll

[@jastation321]

@@tehclefty5317 if you can't put 1000 rounds through a gun and a little oil on it without the gun rusting the gun is trash bozo

[@dadthefixerflorida]

I am a newer p365 owner. I’m carrying it daily. I have the xl gen 2. No rust issues. I have had issues with tula 115 steel case not feeding/ejecting properly. I bought lightly used. I have recently had some light primer strikes, range and I agreed this is likely a dirty striker assembly and needs a good cleaning. Runs fine with defensive loads. That’s my operating issue. I will agree that the fcu swapping is not as easy as it should be. I have spent 2-3 hours due to things coming out of place and requiring re-assembly and fixing. This swapping issue has been annoying as I like the idea of swapping the lower depending on how I’m dressed and need to carry that day. All in all I’m happy, but these few hiccups have been frustrating.

[@tonyvalenti4252]

Isn't the rust issue only with the macro comp? I live in Florida. I've been carrying the macro with XL slide. I check it every day. No hints of rust.

[@Thesusoperator]

if u neglect it'll rust

[@chrisragone8785]

@@ThesusoperatorNo shit lol. The point is that some SIG’s have been rusting with the same care other guns get that never rust. SIG QC is inconsistent.

[@PC_350]

So I have a 365XL and have carried it for about 2 years and have had zero rust issues, I also clean it the least out of all of my guns. I cannot say the same thing about my SW. I have 3, all three of them have rust on them sadly. I do clean and oil my guns after range days.

[@Rnemhrd]

I have a OG p365. Shelved it because I did not trust it. It was a striker and trigger return spring breaking baby. Had some issues with slide barrel hood contact.. I fought with Sig until they went through it. FK sig customer service. Replaced a lot of parts including the barrel. Still carried my G43 43x and 48. Took them out one day. Shot the Sig better. Noticeably better. Since picked up a p365xl and Spector comp slide. I know they have rust issues but I have not had rust. I pull it out of the holster after a day of carry and have sweat on it. Just wipe it down daily.

[@ScaredyCatTactical]

The comparisons between models is extremely helpful. I know what I like about my Glock but your insight is gold.

[@spnfirearms]

I appreciate that man. That’s the point of this channel. We are all learning and getting better! Respect

[@gk5891]

People need to understand it's about what works for them. For some people the Kahr PM40 might be the right choice. For others ths S&W .380 EZ might make more sense. It's not a one size fits all world.

[@FRMN8R_T4R]

The P365 rust issue is a valid concern. I have never had to oil a single one of my other firearms DAILY in order to protect it from rusting. My P320 has never had an issue with rust.

[@mikeoxlong3676]

Homie really said he doesn't like sig but still bought 4 of them.

[@spnfirearms]

Yup, I run a review channel. Like I said, comparison purposes.

[@renesanchez2210]

​@spnfirearms do ypu actually profit from your channel?

[@fudgerounds91]

Do you believe when someone says they hate broccoli if they've never eaten it?

[@imveryeducatedmf234]

⁠@@fudgerounds91Four times tho 😂 Didn’t learn after the first, second third or fourth

[@imveryeducatedmf234]

Mikeoxlong3676 😂 Lol

[@deucedeuce1572]

It's just INSANE to me that a company would have such bad problems with rust, but not fix it. Even many of the cheap firearms have finishes on them that last a lot longer than the P365 or Ruger LCP's. I know the Ruger LCP's are just bluing... but I've seen many firearms that are blued that last for years of concealed carry without every rusting (or even neglect). I also bought a bunch of Ruger MKIII parts (including a bolt assembly) and they ALL rusted in their sealed packages before I ever even got to open them. I cleaned off the rust from the bolt and then put it in a bag Soaked in oil... and then it STILL rusted IN the oil. It just costs pennies to finish these parts so they never rust and it would only increase production costs by such a small amount that nobody would ever notice or care if they had to pay the extra cost of the part being finished. (Like, I'm not gonna be angry if the part I order is $0.15 more, because it has a good, long lasting, durable finish on it... and I'm sure that most people wouldn't even mind if they had to pay an extra $1.00 per part... and it would never cost that much to finish any small parts... and even large parts don't cost much more. (Like Glocks only cost $40.00 make each... and they tenifer all their parts big and small with the newer, more expensive, more environmentally friendly gaseous tenifer process... and I'm sure the tenifer and the coating of the slide are only a fraction of the total cost of manufacturing... and I would bet that the main cost is employee wages).

[@brianbolton8199]

I’m not sure I would trust the comments about Sigs rusting. I use mine for church security, I wear a vest, and it gets sweat on it all the time. I have had no problem whatsoever and I own two of them. Sig. is an excellent product in my opinion. I have no rust or functionality issues with mine whatsoever. None.

[@BlueRidgeCritter]

I know a couple of people that have had some rust issues, and while they're not happy about it it's not a dealbreaker for them, they just maintain them a little better. That said, I don't personally have one and won't buy one (at least, in the polymer lines, I have two in the older lineups that have been great). But to answer your question, the company has really gone on a brand loyalty kick the past few years. People say Glock fan boys have always been bad, but I think Sig fanboys are every bit as bad if not worse.

[@ghostfitness5605]

I have 5000 rounds through one and 3000 through another. Not one issue. 🤷‍♂️ and I have a macro for home defense. I have a g26 gen 3 500 rounds through it not one issue. The other day I was at the range with p365x. I pulled the trigger. Click. Tap rack. Put back in click. Put it in the Glock click. Sometimes it’s just ammo that’s why I like to have multiple firearms to test it out

[@ron8566]

I have plenty of rust on my three year old P365XL. I have nearly 5000 rounds through mine with no firing issues except one. Around 3,000 rounds the trigger bar spring broke. I replaced it myself for less than $10. I did have a failure of the front night sight, but Sig customer service replaced that for free.

[@artgordon7290]

I've been an RSO at the busiest location of a major chain of gun stores for three years. The only catastrophic pistol failure I've seen was a P365 9mm,. I was there and picked up the pieces remaining. The chamber split and destroyed the frame. There was no obstruction in the barrel. I can't verify the ammunition, but the round involved wasnot the first fired from the magazine. The customer purchased the gun used from another source and had been shooting it for a few weeks. Sig refused to warrantee the gun or even discuss the matter. Fortunately the injury to the shooter was minor.

[@BLINC606]

I carry my FN Reflex everyday, it is my favorite Micro, but the Sig is a close close second. I like it much more than the hellcat. Glocks are just behind the game pretty badly. Good video.

[@larrya2995]

OK, I got it, you do not feel good about it. I have had several pistols of all names with problems before. i.e. a Walther that would not fire or eject a shell. The Glock 19 felt like a piece of wooden 2X4 in my hand, could not hit anything. My first P365 had light primer strikes, primer drag, failure to fire and no feed, bullet nose impacted on the front of the magazine. Problem was gunk and metal shavings in the striker channel. After clean up it runs well, no rust and it feels perfect to the hand.

[@Thesusoperator]

I carry a p365X and S&W model 637. No rust and FCU issues. I fairly clean it regularly because I sweat. No, I don't shower it with oil. I have no problems with your choices despite hating on the gun's "shortcomings" despite easily fixable. The P365 is not for everyone, especially the haters.

[@ekoker2336]

I also have rust(barrel, slide exterior, sights, mos screws and the mags). I clean it weekly/daily at times. I work in irrigation, so I get sweaty, wet and muddy. But for a "millitary" grade edc this is unexeptable. Luckily mine is all fde/coyote so it blends in a bit more lol. Never had an issue with it shooting. I don't mind a beat up looking edc I think it builds character and shows you use the tool. I carry iwb appendix with desantis slim tuk/neomag, previously with tier 1. But rust is no Bueno

[@danielbargas3377]

Mix and match sig parts to build your own gun with issues and then fault sig . Never had an issue with any box stock factory 365

[@Mr.Mikey.Holiday]

I bought one of the first p365’s when the first came out, ive got 188 boxes (9,400 rounds) ive had 3 malfunction all related to Winchester ranger xp rounds that the bullets weren’t seated in spec. Ive carried it concealed since 2018. It has been a joy owning, all internals are factory, i replaced the recoil spring at 6000 rounds as sig recommends.

[@jasonpadula4916]

Some guns rust easily, some don’t. I prefer the ones that don’t. Super simple.

[@spnfirearms]

Fair enough! Respect

[@cops312]

Not sure how you are getting rust on the slide as it’s stainless steel. Unless your leaving it in a salt bath and don’t do any preventative maintenance at all, you shouldn’t be seeing rust. Magazines need to be wiped down as well.

[@batistanore]

I carry both of my sigs everyday

[@likestech1873]

Kind of like saying you like Electric Cars but you don’t like Tesla.

[@DeusRegum]

I got rid of all of my SIGs. My XL, XMacro, and also my XTen. XL had FCU issues, XMacro had Rust issues, and the XTen trigger, although really cool at one time, became almost 'floppy'. Which isn't ideal for woods carry. My EDCs now are Walther PDP-F, HCP, HC w/ Apex trigger. All mounted with EPS or EPS Carry optics. Like you, I bought them to compare to what I already had and see if I liked the SIG kool-aid. I didn't. I also have the Glock 43, 48, 17, 19, and 29. My SA lineup is HC, HCP, XDM-Elite 10mm. NONE of my Glocks, Springfields, or Walthers have rust issues and I maintained them all equally the same. No excuses for all those damn problems SIG. I think SIG fanbois are the worst because they got swindled into paying top dollar for a low dollar value in return. Hell, I would probably too if I didn't use expendable income on those SIGs that I HAD. Great content friend, keep it up!

[@spnfirearms]

Yes exactly. And I’m sorry you dealt with that. It isn’t cheap! But I agree completely. Makes me too nervous. And I will be getting an eps carry soon! It’s on the list

[@mt24Carson]

XDME 10mm is rock solid as wilderness carry. Congrats on making the switch.

[@mattkatz1046]

What is FCU ?

[@DeusRegum]

@@mattkatz1046 Fire Control Unit

[@mr.mr.3301]

May be dumb but I don’t want a carry gun with. 100 percent precocked striker. Glocks are 65-70 percent. That is also why they don’t have the best triggers. They are kind of double action. Others are pretty much single action making for a light take up then crisp break.

[@spnfirearms]

Yes exactly. I agree 100%!

[@rustwins4442]

Agreed. Hasn't changed in 30yrs, GTG.

[@explod329]

Why? with a fireing pin block you are 100% safe and you have a smoother trigger.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@explod329 very true. But still want a trigger dingus. But I like smooth light double actions. The old para lda or Kahr.

[@RandomThingReviews]

I still carry my sig but yes I do agree. My first carry gun was an M&P shield 9mm I oiled it once a month and it never rusted. My brand new sig p365 x macro the mags had surface rust after only 24 hours of carry. Sig really needs to add a better finish to their guns and mags.

[@Carlos-yn2ob]

My sig 365 NRA version quickly became one of my favorite pistols so stoped using it for conceal carry, I was afraid if I needed to use I’d never see it again. I have many other options.

[@sylviacandler5541]

The Sig 365 is just incredible, very accurate. The Trigger on the 365 maybe a serious issue when it comes to actual self defense. The pistol's accuracy under duress has a lot to do with the trigger.

[@LovedMyLoyalLongDog]

Sorry, my only rust was a daily carry Glock 19. Yes, it's my fault, but it was locked up tight with only a couple weeks of neglect......jesayin. Summers in Florida are rough on a gun. Now I watch closely and keep them oiled up if they go outside.

[@91326]

I think you got it backwards. Having the FCU serialized is a benefit. With one registered P365, you can have multiple configurations.

[@spnfirearms]

Try replacing parts on a sig in a shtf situation. I can take apart a whole Glock, hellcat, smith and Wesson, cz, ruger etc and put it together in 5 minutes. Zero chance of that with an fcu. 2 of 4 of my p365’s had issues

[@91326]

@@spnfirearms FCU pops out with one pin. And when would you need to do this anyway?

[@sgreen3805]

Carry what you want. I have the P365XL. I’ve been blessed to not have any issues. At this point I have 1000+ rounds through it but not 2000. I loved that it came with night sights, optic slide cut- old model so you would lose the rear sights if you installed optic, and that it is easy to break down to clean. When the MacroX was introduced and had the 17 round mag that could fit this, I was excited. I got one. What I don’t like about Sig is that they hype the advertising and there is literally a molasses in winter type slow distribution on said hyped products. Never again will I pay Sig prices when there are decent companies out there with better distribution and prices. I generally carry my Shield 2.0 in 9mm or Taurus G2C 9 or 40. S&W does have a better overall fit and finish. The Taurus is that useful truck gun. I practice with all and decently accurate within 5-10 yards.

[@JamesHerbert-k8b]

My wife has the p365 with a manual safety and we are very happy with it. I have the Sig P365 X Macro and love it. I have 4 Glocks 2 Springfields and 4 Sigs and 1 FN 509c. For CCW my X Macro is my favorite hands down.

[@RJAZ89]

This is a very drawn out way to say “I’d rather carry my Glock” 😂😂😂 Good stuff as usual, brother. Keep it up *Glock Gang* peace✌️

[@ravendon]

1995. The Kel-Tec P11 was the first Micro 9. 17 oz. 10 rounds. We should be thanking them first.

[@spnfirearms]

First Unreliable* micro 9

[@leonardjackson842]

Sigs are too expensive to have rust issues.

[@spnfirearms]

Well said, very well said.

[@MrJeronlewis]

Smiths finish is the most durable out of everyone.

[@nbonner75]

Whenever I hear about a pistol malfunction, my first question is always, “what kind of SIG was it?” Other than the P-22X (P-220, P-226, P-228, P-229, etc.), SIG’s are pretty much 💩-tier pistols.

[@nilesnearhoof1476]

Shot 365 on USPSA and IDPA since before covid. Probably have more reloads down range than anyone. Would put my life on it with new ammo.

[@yorkbleyer9803]

Prolix is a dry lubricant we used in the sand box equal no rust or wet oily surfaces. There is also Frog lube. However in freezing weather Frog is said to get sticky..

[@gregblau8082]

I was looking at the 380. My local range said they had it to rent on their website, but didn't, so I tried out a 42 & the guy put a few different 365's on the counter so I could compare them. I've never cared for glocks, but I had a great experience. I had wanted the sig for a long time, but even with the higher capacity and awesome reviews something is telling me to go with the 42

[@pgsanta]

Cerekote it. Rust issue eliminated. I can't justify moving back to a G48 once I got my P365. The P365 is objectively a better concealed carry, and shooter.

[@MarkTurner-vs7uc]

I dont even like being near them. I will leave the room if someone has one. At the range , I will pack up and go. Those things are dangerous. How they are allowed to sell them is beyond me.

[@BlueRidgeCritter]

I am not a Sig hater, I have two of the older ones, a 938 and a 238. My thoughts are, the older hammer fired pistols were their peak. But I have never liked how they handle problems. The 938 and 238, they changed the generation, didn't tell anybody, and the parts were not interchangeable. And they wouldn't fix known issues until there was a problem (I have personal experience with that). And then they started doing away with the lineup. Then the polymers came out and started having issues with strikers and triggers in the 365s, and of course then the problems that the P320 has seen. And of course they don't want to lose their contracts so they're not going to admit anything, even after 150 or so incidents. Do I think they can fix it? Maybe. I hope they do. But I have a bad feeling it's going to take somebody getting killed before they finally faced that they have a problem. And I know, people say it's because the holster didn't fit the pistol right, or user error, or hitting it with a seatbelt, etc. My question is, why would you have a fully cocked striker system without an external safety, that can go off that easily by just being bumped into a holster that hits the trigger? Or is there something in the sear? We may never know. But I will say this, I have no intention of carrying a polymer Sig. Too many other good choices for the risk.

[@brianbolton8199]

It’s been a year since I first posted about my 2 P365’s .380. They are still running great, no rust, no hiccups, no other issues, added Holosun red dots, love my Sigs still.

[@boyscout399]

You said you could get a glock complete upper for $80. Where are you getting that number from. I'm seeing absolute cheapest at $200 for upper.

[@Jim-u6c]

Talked me OUT of buying a SIG,,,thanks ! I heard the rust thing before,,,,,

[@marktate507]

I've carried my P365 XL for 4 years now....I've very little maintenance...ZERO rust and it has run flawlessly after thousands of rounds....

[@FranchiseOutdoors]

Hell I'd like to see a gun safe video. My current safe only holds 8 pistols.

[@lanced3256]

Hey, I'm struggling between a S&W shield plus and a Sig 365 XL. Your post really helped. One question, do feel the Shield plus is equivalent to Sig in terms of quality, fit and finish? Thank you!!!

[@keylargojoe62]

I carry the 43x and the shield plus more than my sigs!

[@WELL-WELL-WELL69]

Glock is the only handgun worth owning. It’s not even close.

[@natedog380]

As a spec ops guy on KZbin intelligently put it regarding your EDC, “it’s a fucking tool, don’t overthink it”

[@spnfirearms]

Fair enough! Respect

[@Tactical.Habibi]

I don’t carry mine because I prefer my Glock 26 😆

[@DjTumbao]

How are you, my brother? Have you shot the Hellcat for a while and then gone to shoot the P365 X ? When I do that, I can really tell the difference, and I shoot the P365 better with the Wilson Combat XL grip. I love the Hellcat; it seems like a little tank and has been so reliable for me. Even the screws for the optic are better, in my opinion, on the Hellcat. But when it comes to shooting, I shoot the Sig better or the Glock. I also love my Glock 26 just because of how I shoot and its versatility

[@spnfirearms]

I’m good, how are you! And yes there is a difference. The hellcat is a snappier firearm compared to other micro 9’s. I just don’t trust my p365’s after what happened and also stories from people I know/met. But I shoot my 26 better than both of them but I shoot my hellcat/p365/ and 43x all the same

[@DjTumbao]

@@spnfirearms "I'm good, my brother. Thank you,, Yeah, I shoot my Glock 26 better. I love it; it's just a little chubby, but what a great gun. I have a Gen 4. You should try the Wilson Combat XL grip to see if you like it. It feels like a different gun. Mine has been really reliable, but I also don't have that many rounds through it. Maybe around 600, compared to my Hellcat or the Hellcat Pro with over 3k rounds, never a single malfunction. My G26? I've lost count, lol. I do carry the Hellcat also just because I trust that one more, but for me, the 26 is hard to beat. I also shoot the P365 X better than all my other micros, but it's also because of the upgrades it has. Another awesome thing about the G26 is that you can always take it to states that have magazine restrictions, and it's legal in almost every state. That's something else to consider that's in favor of the G26."

[@zacharydalton8132]

It’s a crying shame what sig has become.

[@spnfirearms]

It really is….. but they have so many supporters that spend money they won’t fix any of the issues… it’s a problem. Respect

[@robertsalyers1351]

At the end of the day it's all about What ever blows your hair back....carry whatever you want...and I'll carry whatever I want

[@ramon1434]

Everyone seems to forget p365 was a copy of Keltec P-11.

[@EducatedBlackMan]

The title should be Why I am a Glock Fanboy.

[@spnfirearms]

But yet in my top 6 carry rotation there is only 1 Glock? 1 Springfield, 2 smith and Wessons, an FN and a cz? Lol knock it off

[@Wolf-xi1hr]

I agree I love everything about sigs but just can’t trust them imo

[@spnfirearms]

Exactly how I feel. It was a serious malfunction, it would have completely been locked up if I had to defend myself. Crazy

[@gloriamaletta8667]

Everyone can say and think whatever they like what l can tell you is this l had 2 SIG P365s got both for 499 each l just sold one on Florida gun trader that l bought in late 2020 sold it last week in very good close to new shape for 480 dollars any of these other guns your comparing to the SIG P365 giving you this kind of resale used l sold it to buy a Kimber R7 that l ordered from Rural King for 429 dollars 471 with shipping tax and call in fee but it hasn't been delivered to my local store yet

[@7356205]

The gun world is challenging. There is no perfect gun and everyone dislikes everything. Idk what to buy

[@OnexMan1350]

it was the 43 that led the way to the 365, hellcat, etc

[@ADTJosh]

@7:40 id disagree. And I was a Glock person before I was anything else. I just recently after years of carrying a g26. I bought a 365XL. I really wanted one with a trigger safety so i coupd feel safer with 1 in the chamber. Glocks even though I love them they always worried me because they're basically a gun with no safety. Well they pass the drop test.. great. But in regards to parts kits, yeah the serial number is on what they call the chassis of the firearm on the Sig. But all the internal parts you'd want to have a parts kit for don't have numbers on them you can buy them individually.. And id say the one up is being able to change the entire frame up on it when you want. As many times as you want, and any color that you want! You could try different stipple jobs etc "The sky is the limit!!" So I think that's a game changer! I'll Always Love Glocks and they're probably still like my favorite brand. But i got a sig now i like because it feels like less of a brick on the side of me. And has a higher capacity, thinner. Then ill be doing Hk, and ending it with an old Glock I've always wanted👍 It's funny when I first got into this I was looking for my first glock. And I thought they were really expensive. 😂 And then i bought this thing for close to 900$ My AR was 2700$🙈 Some of those 1911s are like 2k 😮. Ive never liked em. It's crazy how much a heavy, ugly gun can go for LOL

[@jeffsmock5965]

I love your reviews!

[@anthony1977ist]

Excellent points, I fully agree.

[@BTandKM111]

Rust? Use TW25B. Just don't buy the spray can. Coat the gun 2 or the times. You will notice the gun running smoother. Carbon buildup wipes off in seconds. And the best part is it doesn't run or make your gun feel oily. The gun will reject dust,. Dirt, etc

[@lukew7001]

Im around the 4-6k round count on my 365xl. 0 safety issues, 0 rust. You should see it rn, take it down and it makes black face on rdj look tame. Still shot it td, had 1 ejection fail for 150 rounds. Did 500 rounds last saturday, 1 failed ejection. Comclusion, 🤷‍♂️. my trigger, that shit is as crisp as the day i got it. ~10-15 failure to ejects over 4-6k ish rounds. Idk if those are mag, ejector, or not propperly supporting the gun sometimes, still researching.

[@henryharmon5935]

Most people are now aware of Sigs piss poor quality control problems. Most of you commenters will say they got a good one, so they don’t really care.

[@hectorperezphotographer]

Almost made me cry. Dude, I have a 365 and don’t understand that difficulty you whine about 🤷🏽‍♂️(Yes I have taken the fcu appart for maintenance, is quite simple)

[@ShaneKirk-t9n]

Carried Sigs for years... no rust. Obvious from video he doesn't oil the sigs but the s&w was covered in oil...

[@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329]

2 years down and still no rust but I agree with you on Glocks, my Gen 3s and 5s are definitely my shtf guns.

[@GodspeedSuperbeast]

Glock Perfection

[@johnyoung4755]

Signs of an addiction. 😂

[@isaaccrevier8145]

Pocket carry is wild