Why I Don’t EDC Sig Sauer P365’s (here we go again…)

[@spnfirearms]

Watch the p365 vs hellcat 500 rounds each in one video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZWzZomqh7tre7csi=f5Mvx8KhpQPk8JCJ

[@mdoe8]

It’s all about what your experience has been for sure. My p365 has been absolutely flawless for me, so it’s earned its spot in my pocket.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

365 9mm models are the 1 seller 2023. SIG moved a ton of them. I can see why the became popular BUT I'm not in a rush to get 1.

[@ShawnShipstad]

I hear you and feel the same way.

[@caser1010]

Ya. This dude is getting lemons. I've had the 365xl for 2 years, not a single issue, no jams, probably over 3k rounds.

[@EastonBrazzell-k1d]

Carry mine everyday and have put thousands of rounds through it not one malfunction

[@reachblowsdick7222]

I got my girlfriend a P365 because she liked the grip and size, it's been okay reliable she's had a few failure to lock open and some spent casings stuck inside the chamber. Out of over 2000 rounds it' had about 8 failures in total which is bad on my book but she's fine with it. My brother's G43X has well over 15K rounds and it's never given him one issue even with crap aluminum and steel case ammo. I'll see if I can convince her to switch to a G43X.

[@VanTheMan1099]

people care too much about what other people carry. I like discussing and debating as much as the next guy. But end of the day carry whatever you want.

[@stern2701]

For real. I only tell people to do their own research and not just get what’s popular. I had to find something cheap for my first one to train and learn on and it became one of my favorite guns of all time and it only cost me $350 to get the beretta apx centurion. My dad got a Glock 19 actually first and I learned on that platform but turns out I sucked with it. I took some intro courses and needed my own gun so I needed something cheap and comfortable and just got the beretta the sales rep suggested. As I learned more and trained I found my own match. My buddy bought a sig because it’s popular even tho we both can’t shoot it worth a damn. He swears by it because the brand and popularity and craps on what other people (me) have. Never understood it.

[@VanTheMan1099]

@@stern2701 Sure. I will say there are probably legitimately bad choices you can make with EDC like carrying some sccy 9mm or something. But if they have even a somewhat reputable brand It probably fine as long as they get training.

[@pyros8050]

@@VanTheMan1099exactly

[@WarriorSoul357]

I've had a few pretty really strong aversions to what somebody was carrying. IF the subject comes up, I'll tell them the story that led to my opinion. IF it comes up, I'll tell them what I know about the weapon. Notice: Weapon. This is not just guns that I'm talking about. And then if that's what they want to do, it's their choice, it's their decision. If it does NOT come up, then I won't bring it up. Simple. Easy.

[@alphasheep99]

It's not whatever you want. Believe it or not they're actually is a right and a wrong when it comes to choosing a firearm to defend your life. The Right firearm would be something reliable with a good record and doesn't shoot when you drop it. The wrong firearm would be the cheapest one you can buy or one with recoil you can't control, or it freaking fires when you drop it

[@Sforce68]

I tried the P365's out as well; I had the standard, XL, and X-Macro. I didn't have feeding issues with any of them, but one did have a trigger issue that occurred once that killed my confidence in the platform. After shooting a few hundred rounds one day it would intermittently not fire when the trigger was pulled. The gun wasn't out of battery, the trigger was hanging up occasionally; I cleaned it and it was fine, but my confidence was gone. I went back to the Glock platform, with Glocks and Shadow Systems and haven't regretted it. I like the simplicity of Glock; a monkey could assemble/disassemble an entire Glock pistol with 5 minutes of training and a single 3/32 punch. Glocks just run and will eat just about anything.

[@pondacres]

It's a compelling point. I just recently got mine, born on date shows it built a few months ago. Hopefully all the bugs that the earlier builds experienced have been worked out. So far it's been running great, no problems.

[@pondacres]

​@narendra7817 I did hear about the rust thing, also same concern for my LCP Max. I suppose that's the nature of the beast when carrying against your body with anything other than stainless steel slide.

[@geekofsteal]

M&P Shield Plus is a rock solid alternative as well

[@stern2701]

I’ve thought about that or a CZp10m

[@michaelsweaney3890]

I would argue the Shield plus 🛡🔫 is the gold standard every other carry gun should be measured against.

[@osamanobama1]

+agree shield plus is the best shooting micro and ultra reliable

[@rgtn2441]

The best hands down . The whole M&p line is underrated.

[@cin426]

Shield plus is better than Glocks and the 365s, straight up

[@pn312]

I had a German Sig 226 9mm. Never had a problem. My department got issued new P226s in 40cal, in 2013. Had numerous problems. The pin that puts tension on the sear spring that is pressed in by the factory, fell out... three days into use. Numerous other guns had same issue. Trigger bar breakages, frame insert breakages, magazine release issues etc. 40 cal was hard on them but nevertheless, too many problems with these expensive guns.

[@laurencel.7980]

how often do you go a shooting range? I think I have a problem....lol I go almost every other day,,, sometimes 5x a week.... bad addiction.

[@uglydogg4995]

I’m jealous ahaha

[@geekofsteal]

For example, your draw to first shot times and accuracy.

[@arcticape445]

What do you do for earpro since you go that often? I’m worried about hearing damage

[@michaelsalice9952]

Well, one thing that NOBODY can debate is Glocks reliability, that's for sure!!!

[@davidmoore2699]

I'm sorry you've had problems with your sig 365. I've had mine since 2019. Not an everyday shooter and I usually shoot my AR or 226. I am probably around 1500-2000 rounds on the 365. No issues with the gun itself. I added a MagGuts extension kits to one mag and the only time I have a problem is with a full mag. It will not click in place, even if you slam it in, when the slide is closed. Open slide and it works just fine. I figure that doesn't matter because in any time is of the essence situation I would be reloading after a last round hold open and that will be with standard mags anyway. It's great you've have a good experience with your Glock 26. Thing is it took me a couple seconds to find a ton of G26 users reporting problems and that there was once a recall on gen4 26'a for a recoil spring issue. Almost any new gun has problems and Sig had more than normal. They seem to have the systemic problems worked out and now it's just a few individual firearms that have issues.

[@bloodpoolyt]

i havent had rust or malfunctions from my 365XL after i shot 200rounds to " break it in " currently sitting at about 17-1800 rounds, I will say sigs pricing has gone up and quality has gone down! the old P250 i owned had an amazing nitride finish even after being dropped on concrete and rocks carried everyday in texas heat sweating on it getting it wet in the hot summer rain... the P365XL nitride finish is wearing off!!! part of my slide is damn near chrome from just holstering, also the top part of the sights, slide plate....the part that doesnt even touch my skin or holster. the coating is so thin and feels cheap. I daily carry it, i do clean it often sometimes just a dry wipe down sometime a full disassembly with light oil i can defiantly believe some people have rust

[@kameelramdhingrindrod9431]

I love the honesty in your reviews, hard to find that nowadays especially were others are sponsored to only talk about the good.

[@blacblac2294]

My Glock 26 3 gen jammed every other magazine well into 900 rounds. Had the range officers shoot it, also jammed, used various types of ammo, almost all jammed. Gave up on it, sold it. I’ve had two 365s including the legion now, perfectly running, not a single hiccup. I like Glocks but fuck 26 specifically

[@ilovetech8341]

I love my P365. But after inspection, the top corner of the barell chipped off a tiny amount. And the finish is wearing off. I need to find some finishing compound?

[@BirdDogey1]

I've never shot a 365. It is a good looking pistol I've heard some issues the early models didn't have the bugs worked out. That aside, I've heard a very trusted firearm instructor express some reservations about carrying it due to ease of the trigger. Easier to shoot means it is easier to get shot. He feared an AD with the pistol.

[@NittyGritty420]

There was never issues. Primer drag is a non issue.

[@geraldochi7945]

365s can come with safeties.

[@rustwins4442]

I hate sig because of the p320 debacle but man the modularity is a very cool concept that could have some serious advantage some day. PSA is working on a modular dagger called the switch, I'm really looking forward to it hitting the market.

[@demetriusdaniel5645]

Sigs are garbage now and that’s what it is they QC has been horrible and I really think there’s no retribution for them at this point just my opinion.

[@geekofsteal]

Redemption for Sig would be for them to update their qc and admit their mistakes with a full blown RECALL, not voluntary upgrade, of their p320's. And maybe a gen 2 or 3 of the 320/365 that is free to anyone who sends in their current 320/365. But I also want a toilet made of solid gold, and that ain't happening

[@demetriusdaniel5645]

@@geekofsteal I agree 100% it’s been years and sig still having these same problems and QC issues I think sig could be the best firearm manufacturer out there but ultimately they overprice their product and take shortcuts I feel like anyone supporting sig by buying their products are not helping the situation.

[@pmor5992]

i guess i have been lucky in that i have several p365s and so far have not encountered any problems with what has become my favorite edc , but i know that problems can be caused by a plethora of things ,it must work for you 100% of the time ;-)

[@oldcop18]

The only SIG I’ve owned was the little .380 and it could not get through a mag w/o a malfunction. The seller was nice enough to refund my money, got the original LCP and never looked back.

[@KracknCorn]

Sig Sauer, we give our customers the privilege to beta test our early access products. We make rolling updates constantly, but well never let you know we did it.

[@joerossi8648]

@SPNFirearms I agree with you on this as well. I've owned several Glocks over the years and only had one an early Gen 3 G19 that wouldn't run a mag without a jam. It was only with the 10 round magazines during the AWB back in 1994. I also had a G26 one of the first ones and had hundreds of round through it without issue. Glocks by and large especially 9mm Glocks are the some of the most reliable guns made,period like it not and some don't LOL. Anything man made or mass produced can and does fail from time to time. I currently carry a kahr arms PM45 in their DLC finish. As reliable as any Glock I've owned. And yet those had issues at first too. I've had friends who have 365's and they're fine. Other not and yes rust is an issue with them. I think Sig changed the coating and newer ones are better. But ask anyone who lives in say Florida and carries one hoe fast it's covered in rust is not maintained. I'm not bashing Sig and in fact I'm planning on buying a sub compact 365 soon to try it out.

[@jackmullen4190]

I am getting a glock 26 just because of this channel. It is really hard to tell which guntubers are shills, or they just need clicks/views.

[@ralphgiordano1801]

Brother I shoot 2 times a week my p365x is small but I don’t trust it. I pulled it out to use it on a training exercise, and it did not fire. I’ve had many problems with Sig.

[@buildthyself1409]

I rented one along side a shield plus and my glock 43x, shot some cheap ammo from 2A warehouse likely the main issue but and had about 9 light primer strikes with the sig , 4 with the shield and 1 with the glock, the ergonomics on the sig to me just don’t make sense there is no space for for my thumb on my support hand unlike the shield that gives plenty of space and even has stippling for it , the glock is a in between the two with just enough space to be comfortable for my thumb to rest.

[@zachschubert7190]

The only issues I’ve ever had with my 365 is seating a new magazine on a closed chamber while under stress. My fault, didn’t slam the mag in hard enough. Thousands of rounds not 1 malfunction

[@thomascozart1095]

I understand your point about different reviewers. I don’t trust anything Colion Noir says, as he has never met a gun he didn’t like. There are a few reviewers, like you and Chris at Honest Outlaw, that I actually trust. What is a double stack or 1.5 stack in 9 or 380 that you would trust for a pocket backup-in addition to a G26?

[@jason200912]

He's not a reviewer, he accepts sponsorship and endorsements

[@Kh2456]

@@jason200912 yea we call that a shill.

[@bobyjones3905]

I have a lot of different brands Glocks Smiths Sigs Springfield and Rugers CZs . I’ve yet to have one I would not carry . I’m not sure why others have problems I personally have not .

[@Nirmk]

i bought my first sig p365 it has finish problems and it had a discharge issue i sent the gun back sig returned saying nothing found it had rust they cleaned it gun was only a month old i did buy it new and looked up the serial it was a 2020 model i did get rid of the gun to a gun shop that put it in rotation as a training gun and bought another the one i have currently is great no issues at all the finish is sub par but no rust. let me clear the air for the gun lovers of brands there is a quality control issue at sig the company sig now selling p365 is not the company that designed the p226 sig has been sold and tossed around and is now heild by investor that care about making money their first priority sig started out modifying fire arms they didnt make guns thats why the have a cloudy past history they are not like glock or smith and or many other gun makers. i still have my sig p365 and it does seem to be reliable this being my second hand gun from them i do like the feel and i do like the size. but to say that all users have had the same experience. on a firearm is garbage im sure u will get some bad other brands i do have a glock 19 and have several of them none so far have ever had any issues but do people yes but i do know my gun smith says the onlything they ever replace on a glock is a spring most of the time and he has a contract with police departments servicing there guns i would also say that the new sig is no where the company alot of people think it and is a far pitch from what glock is

[@Sforce68]

I'm not comfortable with designs that incorporate a pre-cocked striker without a safety (cocked, but unlocked), and I don't want a manual safety on my carry gun which rules out the Sig for me.

[@rjo8500]

Me too. HK P30SK LEM Sig P228/P229 are my choices.

[@brandonmcmahon8411]

I don’t buy Sig, because I like my left testicle and my femoral artery.

[@IMABEAST191]

lol wrong gun

[@Kh2456]

@@IMABEAST191 no striker safety plunger. It will happen eventually.

[@IMABEAST191]

@Kh2456 which gun are you talking about?

[@Kh2456]

@@IMABEAST191 365

[@jessco8950]

I go back n forth between my Glock 48 and browning 1911 .380 depending on what I’m wearing that day as my EDC firearm and they both work like a charm for me even tho I’m of a smaller stature.

[@whathadhappenedwas4348]

Sig quality has gone down ever since they stopped building them in Germany

[@hollow6178]

Still crazy to think sig won the military contract over Glock with all the problems Glock didn’t have

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

M17s M18s are $206 each. DoD contract 📂 ....

[@Kh2456]

They didn’t necessarily win they just priced themselves so low they were an easy choice. Now that some time has passed I wonder what they think of the contract.

[@10oner]

Military contracts go to the lowest bidder

[@LucidLoki]

It was the true modularity combined with the fact the military only pays $176 a piece for them.

[@JohnWick-om9bq]

Glocks have problems. I own both.

[@dcwaku]

I agree with you. I’ve owned three P365’s and one P938, EVERY one had major issues and had to be sent back to SIG. They were extremely unreliable and unsafe. SIG is no longer SIG. My first 9mm was a German SIG P226, now that is a DEPENDABLE, RELIABLE firearm. Current SIG’s…never again.

[@Steeler307]

Too bad, missing out.

[@dcwaku]

@@Steeler307 Mumm…, you’re right, I’m missing out on a gun that’s unreliable. 😊

[@davidd8892]

2500+ rounds thru my xmacro and 1 stove pipe cuz i had dirt in the mag that stoped the follower.

[@CitizenValve]

When Sig releases a new gun every week, what do you expect???

[@ccoop2416]

If we don't call it as it is then it will never get better, before the p365 and p320 sig never had these issues so they have no excuse 🇺🇲✌️👌

[@mattleinberger7220]

My hellcat seer broke and locked back. Had to send back. Won’t carry now.

[@EphemeralThought]

If my life depends on it, Glock all day long; it may not be as cool, but it is the tool.

[@Grayfox_908]

Carried the p365. It’s okay I guess. Found myself going back to my 26 and honestly regret not getting a shield plus.

[@WarriorSoul357]

Spn and all you other great folks... Have you heard about the new Taurus TH 10mm?? Thoughts on it, if you have?

[@grayghost24milehigh53]

Idk who the dude in this video is but something is telling me that he doesn’t know firearms that well or he has lots of user error, yes sig has had some releases that were not great the 320 and the start of the 365 come to mind, they have also been corrected and if your standard is that a company can never make a mistake or miss an issue before rolling the product out then fine thats your standard but thats not reasonable in my opinion the question that’s relevant is what did they do once the issue was discovered and thats where sig deserves some harsh words because they were not great at letting the owners who bought the early guns of the issues but they did fix it for free if you sent it in i believe, I have carried a p238 for years when I need to conceal in a suit or tight fitting clothes and there is no other gun on the planet I would trust more than my sig in a situation and a G19 with tritium sights was my first pistol I ever bought…. Are glocks reliable ofcourse they are and I would even go as far as to say they may be the most reliable gun manufacturer to date but that doesn’t mean other companies dont also meet the standard, you talk about two of your sigs having issues and 2 of them not and then proceed to say that the issues could be ammunition related lol then continue to act as if you aren’t being a fanboy but talk about how your 26 has malfunctions so you dont carry it lol im not clear on your position are you suggesting that you dont carry that specific G26 because its a lemon as you call it or are you telling people that the entire 26 platform is unreliable? And are you treating sig the same way? If not you guessed it YOUR A FAN BOY and I love Glock!!!

[@joshanon9031]

Vp9sk SOOOOOOOO AMAZING 🤤🤤

[@xlilnetx]

And we supposed to believe you with two highly modified p365s. Just admit it, u screwed them up opening them and messing with the components. That’s why u didn’t take them to sig under warranty. Sure blame the company.......

[@Greenman13-31]

For me, as much as i like my sig P365 and P365 xl, i keep coming back to my Glock 27 and 23(.40 S&W). I really like the .40 S&W cartridge and glock pistols. Carry what you like, train with what you carry, but always carry. Stay safe

[@douglasphillips24]

I dusted off my 23 Gen 4 yesterday and was such a blast to shoot . I'm loving the Glock 23 just perfect size for my needs and accurate.

[@cmhill0303]

I feel the same way I keep coming back to 40sw pistols for edc.

[@Lexicologist1971]

40 is awesome. I carry a bunch of ammo. It got heavy at the end of the day. I switched to 357 Sig for that reason.

[@IMABEAST191]

I’ve never owned the 26. But I have owned and carried both the 19 and 32 for many many years I’ve had several problems over the years with both especially the 19 mostly mag related and extraction issues. But were easy fixes. Last year I picked up the 365 spectre comp and I’m still blown away how small it is for a 17+1 gun super comfortable to carry. A little over 500rds in and no problems so far it’s a laser.

[@lkjslkdjfglkjsldkfjl]

Best EDC is a snub nose revolver, few moving parts, nothing to malfunction

[@charlesprice7608]

@@lkjslkdjfglkjsldkfjlthat’s not true at all. There can be all kinds of issues with revolvers. I would say Taurus has such a bad reputation in part due to their revolvers. They also aren’t a good option for women or other beginners unfamiliar with firearms.

[@rkba4923]

I've got a bit over 1000 rounds through my Sig P365 with zero issues. 7 or 8 different ammo manufacturers, JHP and FMJs. I've loaded mags with mixed types and manufacturers - no issues.

[@joevarga5982]

Do you want a medal?

[@Paladin1776a]

Extremely well said. I've seen the same thing with these P365's and it's obvious SIG is letting their customers do their QC... no, not for me. I carry a Glock or a Walther, both are dead nuts reliable and that's what counts when your life depends on that pistol functioning.

[@anon6952]

P365 is still the king of the microcompact nines. I’ve sent hundreds and hundreds of rounds through mine, I carry it constantly, it has yet to let me down. Maybe you’re just doing it wrong, buddy. “These guns rust. Not mine though, but other people have.” Sounds like circumstantial evidence. Changing out grips, changing out barrels, and you’re wondering why you’re having issues? 😭 get those views though I guess.

[@veliwrld]

Hell cat pro is better

[@anon6952]

@@veliwrld fuck outta here with that Croatian made nonsense lmfao

[@ghostfitness5605]

I’ve never had an issue I shoot multiple times a week with 3 of them. I’ve had more malfunctions with Glocks I have tbh

[@BlackwaterFather]

First off I appreciate the content! I can only give my experience. I bought my regular P365 in December of 2019, it was an impulse purchase intended to replace my Beretta Pico that up until a few weeks prior ran flawlessly then started to not go all the way into battery, not without a nudge anyways. So I went home and youtubed the 365. *Que the Military Arms Channel videos about it then* Light primer strikes and all. I was pissed I spent $600 on a paper weight but I decided to give it a chance and run some ammo out of it. First day I ran 300 rounds of 115 grain FMJ no issues. The following weekend I ran 500 rounds, mostly 115g and 124g FMJ with some same weight HP's. Again no issues. About a month went by and I did more research, it seamed SIG fixed the issues. I was feeling better about the purchase but decided if I was going to carry it I needed to know how it handles HP's. So I dropped $200 on various brands and types of HP's. From 124g HST's to 50g Civil Defense and everything in-between. Everything ran flawlessly and I have been carrying it ever since and shoot and train with it often. 4 years later it now has well over 7,000 rounds through it with ZERO malfunctions what so ever and I have only cleaned it a hand full of times. No light primer strikes, no FTE or FTF. And it's completely stock with tritium iron sights that still glow, original mags, and I haven't even replaced the guide rod spring like recommended by SIG every 2500 rounds. This thing just runs, but I have heard the horror stories, so I reckon I just got lucky. Maybe I ought to knock on wood.....and replace that guide rod. 🤔😆

[@andershilmo1866]

Not as many rounds as you have a 1,000 rounds through my macro. About 600 through my 365. I know half a dozen people with 0 issues with their 365s. I believe Tactical Hyve has over 50,000 rounds on one of his 365s. Also a couple of other people with high round count 365s. I wouldn’t be to worried I digress, there have been a few one with issues most as I can tell developed around 300 -600 rounds if they were going to have issues. I will probably build another one using Fdez works parts. Have a good one.

[@sk8thundr]

When I was deciding to upgrade my EDC from a Beretta APX A1 Carry last year, I had some criteria on what features I wanted in my next EDC gun. #1: I wanted at least 10 rounds. #2: I wanted it to be optics ready (didn't want a red dot just then but figured I may in the future) #3: I wanted a weapon mounted light, specifically the tlr 7 sub, not the tlr6 because of the paddles. #4 I wanted a reputable brand name firearm. No caniks, taurus, iwi. (not to say anything bad about those brands, just my preference) And #5: (this was the big one) Had holster support at all with all those attachments. This proved to be the biggest issue. I was originally leaning towards the G43x because it gave me all those options with plenty of holster support. But turns out I don't shoot Glocks very well. I felt a bit discouraged because the most popular handgun brand on the market felt unnatural in my hands. And I was a bit upset about how long the grip was for only 10 rounds but didn't want to even try aftermarket mags for 15 rounds. I tried the G26 as well but just couldn't get over how physically thick the gun is. I'm a smaller guy, so a G19 sized "compact" is a bit out of my carry range. Then it was between the Hellcat and the P365. My buddy has a Hellcat and my little sister has a p365 (base model), so I got to shoot both to decide. I love both guns and just judging on shoot-ability, they were both neck and neck. I eventually went with a p365 just because it ticked all my boxes and had better holster support. After that, I went to Vedder to have a custom-made holster to fit my gun with a tlr7 sub and never looked back. I do 100% recognize people having rust issues all over and I do 100% agree that I shouldn't be even worrying about rust with a $500 gun. But I've cranked about 1k rounds over the last year (I like to go the range at least once a month) and she's thankfully been 100% reliable. I trust this particular gun I have but that's just me. I also don't consider myself a "sig fan boy" or anything fan boy. I just like guns, the more reliable the better.

[@CanikPlease]

So unforntuate u chose a p365 over a canik. I'll never go back to mine. Looking to sell it

[@neillevy1822]

I have the P365xl for 12 months. 1500+ rds, 8 different types of ammo. 115/124/147 fmj and jhp. No malfunctions. I carry it every day and shoot it at least twice a month. I run the 12rd and 17rd mags. I agree with you. Any failure would keep me from carrying it. So far no issues, but from what I read, they definitely have some QC issues.

[@ResplendentRaider]

I will say, I had a P365X with zero issues. No rust, no malfunctions. The only thing I encountered was the slide not locking on the last round. Sometimes it locked, most times it wouldn’t. The reason I got rid of it was it just was uncomfortable to shoot for me.

[@eriksamayoa5639]

Get more powerfull bullets

[@Inkushu]

229 or 226 is the way.

[@NMCD0892]

First pistol I ever shot was an old sig P229 with +P ammo, hated it, i think because i didnt like the DA/SA trigger and much preferred rifle shooting at the time. I've since shot many different pistols, and my personal preference is for glocks as they're what I shoot most due to them being my issue firearm. Haven't ever shot any 365 variant though.

[@Jaybird-oo3ih]

Carry what’s comfortable for you. I own the small p365 and the p365 XL and both guns have run flawless for me. The problems you claim to have with yours, I guess you got a lemon. I carry mine with all confidence in them to protect myself and anyone around me if something were to break out. Glocks are good pistols and I do own a G19 and a G43 I do rotate them into my carry options from time to time and they’re great pistols. But the p365 is what I carry most to be honest. You do you and stop trying to push your views on others.

[@michaelschaffer9165]

I've not had any function problems from any of my 365s. My split times are slow with the 365. I shoot the 365XL very well due to the longer grip. I bought Wilson Combat lowers for both and big improvement. I think the 365 is a great backup gun the XL is good for primary. But really I like my Shield Plus much more. Glocks which I carried for years aren't carried anymore.

[@bladeflyer6]

This is what I don’t understand about the p365 Wilson grip modules. Your increasing the thickness of the gun from the 1” that’s stock almost back to what a g26 or g19 is width size.

[@michaelschaffer9165]

@bladeflyer6 Yes that's true. The grip width is increased but slide width and weight are less than bigger guns. The Wilson grip gives me much better purchase on the gun. Feels better and controls better in my hand. Somewhat of a tradeoff yes but it works for me.

[@michaelschaffer9165]

Plus I use Magguts internals in magazines so I have 14+1 capacity. Smaller than a G19 but one round less. Tradeoff? Yes. Acceptable? Yes.

[@bladeflyer6]

@@michaelschaffer9165 gotcha makes sense. Didn’t initially consider what is in the belt line doesn’t change with that grip swap. Never tried Magguts personally but sounds like a nice compact setup. Glad it’s working for you.

[@jasonusaf6326]

@@michaelschaffer9165I second the magguts…14 rounds of reliability, unlike the kool-aid drinkers putting SA15’s in their 43x’s and getting failures.

[@gregoryjenkins4020]

Then STOP BUYING THEN...Like orrest Gump says...Stupid is as stupid does...

[@cheeng1]

Every brand has their fans. My p365 was flawless, but didn’t fit my hand well, so I don’t shoot it much. I had a G26 that was my most unreliable gun, but the rest of the Glocks were reliable. Both are good generally.

[@gncc600]

Love my p365 it replaced my glock 43. I've had no issues in 5000 rounds. I find it to be superior to the glock 43/43x in every way except the finish. Sig needs a better coating at their price point. Love my glocks but Sig has them beat IMO. GLOCK needs to update their guns. Yeah Sig has issues on new gun designs but they are innovating not selling different sizes of the same gun for 40 years.

[@waterboy239]

I would say I'll buy your Glock 43 from you buddy but with that new ATF rule it might make you a felon😂

[@doak4886]

Sooooo, you dislike the 365 so much that you bought 4 of them? I’d say there’s a word that describes you besides hater.

[@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK]

Sig guns are like range rovers, you need at least 3 of them to always have one working

[@danielcampbell9344]

😂​@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK

[@explod329]

@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK You again huh? Everytime that Glock jams up on you think of my comment. You can lie to yourself and others but not me! Glocks are shit! You carry it because of the name only.

[@34dawgsgo]

Always assumed Sig to be a premium brand. Never had an issue with the 365. However, I no longer carry it as I quickly discovered red dots were not for me especially in self-defense, even with aging eyes. A Shield Plus is now my carry gun. Respect that you've had issues with Sig and voice them so others can learn from them..

[@34dawgsgo]

Btw the 320 is my nightstand unit. A few k rounds never an issue.

[@sheepherder911]

holosun he507k-gr x2, old man. Hehehe. Source: 40 year old 365 macro owner and astigmatism haver If you're still unsure, head to the Cabelas nearby and test one out over the counter. The circle-dot reticle option saves the day.

[@34dawgsgo]

@@sheepherder911 the dot not always in the correct spot on draw. I'm sure it was me and more practice would have resolved. Just not a chance I'm willing to take. Range or practice fine. Not in a split second life decision. Same optic btw.

[@sheepherder911]

@34dawgsgo I here you. I always considered the pistol sights to be more reflex based systems than something more accuracy based like an lpvo. For that reason, if I see green come up in my eyeline, I fire at the target past it. Most shooting occur within 30 feet, and that seems like the enough (lack of space) to get away with less accuracy (not that you would want to blind fire or anything). That being said, a flashlight and some nice tritium sights are great as the two main accessories to any EDC.

[@34dawgsgo]

@@sheepherder911oddly enough I like lasers. This one comes on when assuming the grip. It's green. Sighted in at 20 ft. We are just weird with our likes. Better to have one and not need it than the reverse.

[@mac001texas]

Guys don't modify your carry guns with aftermarket barrels or other parts and mechanisms, it's just asking for malfunctions

[@spnfirearms]

Malfunctions happened prior as documented on my channel, it was bone stock. It actually runs since getting it back from my gun smith, even with the after market parts. Good try tho

[@mac001texas]

@spnfirearms are you saying I'm wrong in general, as if there are not many examples of modifications affecting reliability? Your anecdote does not disprove a logically true point. Many people much more experienced than you in the gun world recommend leaving carry guns as close to factory as possible.

[@marcusborderlands6177]

​@@mac001texasI love how you ignored what he said entirely. Just don't bother commenting.

[@mac001texas]

@@marcusborderlands6177 I like how you replied to my random comment, which is even more useless than the comment itself

[@marcusborderlands6177]

@@mac001texas look dude, the "modifications lead to malfunctions" crap is at best partially true. Most mods out today that people seriously look at getting add something of significant value, or don't touch the operating mechanism. This isn't 2003 anymore with Roland specials barely running 147gr hp.

[@azcop2]

Who cares about what you carry?

[@taylorsessions4143]

What do you carry?

[@Rooster-fo7lg]

I’m stuck. I love the design, but have had issues with 2/2 that I own = failure to extract. First one went to Sig, got a lecture about steel ammo and they replaced extractor, polished chamber no issues since but I’m not sure it’s seen quite 1k rounds since then. My second went to them twice both times they said it was fine after 100 rounds and sent it back. I replaced extractor and polished chamber (had to buy parts and equipment). It ran to about 1k and last range trip I had probably 5 FTE’s. It wasn’t super dirty or dry. I just polished the chamber again. I need to divorce from these things. My 226 is rock solid, anything polymer I’ve had from them is shit. I had issues with a 320 also.

[@Thesusoperator]

if you are watching this lovely person. carry whatever you want and don't listen to youtubers. they have their own agendas and what they say are not necessarily TRUE. try them guns out and pick. every gun has their own quirks. find whats good for you. peace!

[@rgtn2441]

Carry what you want . They are all tools and are subjected to failure. That being said I had failures with Glocks and not 365? Get it running correctly and run another 500-1000 through and start carrying it again . Just because a pistol has 1 failure doesn’t mean it’s trash or unworthy of carrying

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

When the X-Macro rusts, it starts at Magazines and the Sights. Goes from there. I'm planning on plating my X-Macro magazines myself, when I have time. Might eventually sell some later on, but I don't think people will buy them for $80 to $85 dollars.

[@jason200912]

Wonder why they use steel instead of aluminum for mags

[@civicsr2cool]

Same thing happened to my shield s15 mags, completely rusted the inside and outside of them.

[@blantant]

Magazine rust is no joke. I've never seen factory magazines that get rusty so fast

[@LFDNC]

The sig mags are the part of the 365 I despise. I currently carry a canik, but liked my sig. videos like this are why I ALWAYS tell people to get hands on, shoot multiple guns, and talk to people BEFORE buying a gun.

[@LFDNC]

@@jason200912I am not a metallurgist, so take this for what it’s worth. I think it’s because aluminum does not have the same shear and tension capabilities. It’s too soft, especially for the how thins the material is. On the Glocks: Glock is ok, but not any better than any other gun in the same class. In fact, my canik out of the box will out shoot any Glock out of the box. The triggers suck, but even if they didn’t I don’t want to buy a $600 gun that I have to upgrade to make it perform how I want it to.

[@OldmanSnake]

Sig are garbage. My MCX, MPX, 229 Legion and 365 all had to go back. Ive carried my Hellcat for 2 years with no issues. Sig uses the public to beta test their guns

[@jcannonmusic1086]

I’ve had very little to no issues with my p365xl. No rust and hundreds of rounds through it. Funny enough I’ve had ZERO malfunctions with my Taurus G2C and it’s been a few years of shooting it. Whatever you’re comfortable with. I believe all guns will fail, so have proper training to tap rack and clear jams

[@007Chancellor]

I have two P365s. Both have run flawlessly through thousands of rounds. Oh...and Glocks suck. Jus sayin.

[@jasonmcclish2580]

I am a Sig fan. I don't care if you don't carry Sig . JUST CARRY !!

[@ELEVOPR]

I'm a time Traveler and I have been carrying the P365 since 1985 and have had no issues. 😛

[@chillios2222]

lol

[@ilm-def8920]

Disclaimer before I say more, I carried the original 1980's West German stamped P226, still one of the most accurate, reliable, and rugged pistols I have ever carried. That being said, current Sig's made here in the States will NEVER be the same quality of the German made guns. The rash of issues with American Sigs are because the company's quality control is not what it should be. I do believe that some end users get some of their firearms which have properly spec'd parts and will likely render good service but with the company's batch testing and parts outsourcing, it is a crap shoot. My P320c suffered the typical Dead Trigger issue all due to an out of spec trigger par. The P320 FCU is hypersensitive to the parts specs and timing. So no, no more Sigs for me. All personal experience from 3 decades of using multiple brands of duty type firearms.

[@jeffshultz3462]

Agree. Had a Full Size 320. Not my jam at all. Sig is lets just say: For Those Other Guys.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

The “P” in the Sig P-series” stands for “PIECE OF SIHT!” The Sig Sauer of “West Germany” days are long gone. It’s a completely different company and USA based now. The old German company went defunct and today’s Sig USA only shares a name from a once awesome gun maker.

[@ccoop2416]

Sig costs too much to have all these issues and they are destroying their reputation

[@DoodleU7656]

I have a 365 xl, 2k rounds 3 ftf's. If you don't like it, go to your ffl and send it to me...

[@Matt-ki6tw]

Just a controversy video. There’s a reason why the 365 is one of the best selling self defense guns since it came out. Still the king

[@imupinthetrees]

amen

[@jaxfernandez3684]

All hype no substance. That is the power of the p365. I like how people who like the compactness of the design end up buying the upsized version (p365xl), when they could just buy a proven Glock 43x for the same price... And guess what? It doesn't rust in the holster!

[@ghostfitness5605]

Let’s not forget the major issues of Glock 43s it was horrible but people just acted like nothing happened P365 is so good that people try to attack everything but the actual firearm. I love Glock but sig is amazing. I’ve put over 10000 rounds through sig. I’ve had 2 failure to eject in p229. One failure to fire that I also put in the Glock and it still didn’t shoot and I kept the bullet. 0 failures in my p320 0 failures in p365 0 in p366x 0 in my Glock 19 0 in my g26.

[@CVEIWKID]

I had to send my sig back twice. Same deal I don't carry it because of trust

[@chucksneed3339]

Enjoy your rust lmao

[@Shallnotbeinfringed2A]

What after market barrel is that? Could that be an issue?

[@burnbarrelnetwork4013]

This video is great. I fell for all the hype when the 365 released and after one week of use and carry it nowlives in a safe. I cannot carry something that I have to brush rust off of every few days. 43 and 43x carried for years in same conditions and never found myself brushing rust off of either.

[@spnfirearms]

Yea it’s true.. I love the sig, just can’t stand the issue and don’t trust the quality… respect

[@wilcoxin124]

Just embrace the hate my man. Some people only want others to confirm and validate their opinions. The best part is, you've determined your own opinions on your experiences. If they can't accept that then they should probably move on. I've had other experiences than you with some of the firearms you love/dislike, and yet I'm still here because I'm an adult and can handle others opinions without slinging attacks at others.

[@paulnettles9109]

Anything Sig that doesn't begin with P22 is a piece of junk.😂

[@MrJeronlewis]

They definitely skimped out on the finish and the quality steel for their magazine

[@billreynolds2221]

Quit holding back. Tell us how you really feel. :)

[@ParasiticPsycho]

My 365x had the trigger reset spring come unattached around 400 rounds and I'll never trust it for edc again. Was an easy fix, but in a life and death situation I don't want to be thinking about if my gun is going to have a dead trigger after the first couple shots or not. I also found out sig's warranty is trash and that's a big problem for me. Wanted to charge me $55 for shipping to fix a $10 part because I owned it for longer than a year, even though it has a low round count.... gfy sig.

[@spnfirearms]

Yup exactly.. mine was just over 420 rounds…. Respect

[@nbonner75]

The only SIG’s I trust are the P22X’s (P226, P228, P229, etc.). Every other SIG has, in my experience, been unreliable.

[@spnfirearms]

Agreed 100%.

[@DaddyOgr3]

Never had any issues with my 80s and early 90s production P22x Sigs. Love them. Shot the hell out of them, thousands of rounds each. A handful failures over that time. I bought a p365 Tacops last yr, first P3xx polymer frame Sig I ever owned…and the last. Extraction failures and failures to load, one or two rounds for every box I put through it - over a thousand plus rounds, thinking maybe it was break in. I tried half a dozen reliable-in-every-other-firearm factory ammo brand, some were worse, but NONE were 100% reliable in that thing. Spent money on mags, grip modules, springs, extractors…no change. Can’t and won’t say this is a persistent Sig quality issue, but the quality of the polymer frame P365 I bought last year vs the half dozen alloy and steel frame sigs I havee owned over the prior 30 years, not even in the same frickin league. I gave it a shot, I won’t give it another…but I might wind up with another P229, P226, or P220 when I burn the ones I have to the ground (which means never of course).

[@SmithFarmandOutdoors]

My P365xl with NO CUSTOMIZATION has run flawless from day one. Zero issues. Is my daily carry. Those laser sculpted grip panels and barrels and whatever else you’ve done to those pistols can introduce malfunctions that aren’t there in a factory gun. Just saying. I won’t say that a factory gun won’t malfunction because my Ruger LC9 malfunctioned until I re-machined the firing pin hole. What I’m saying is that if you heavily mod a carry gun you are asking for trouble.

[@mlrllama]

My P365 XL has over 5k rounds through it, no malfunctions. I trust my pistol with my life. However, an acquaintance of mine had light primer strike issues that was caused by a buildup of grease in the striker channel assembly. Once he cleaned that out he's had no issues...but, as a result he doesn't use it as an EDC because he still has doubts on its reliability.

[@Nekotaijutsu]

Thanks for the vids SPN you helped me make my decision on getting a holster and a Glock 27

[@spnfirearms]

No problem man, glad you like it! My 27 has been in my rotation for over 5.5 years now. Hasnt left. Respect

[@mcmehlen]

Damnit here to soon before the comments get spicy

[@mikem2132]

I’m a Glock fan, nothing wrong with that.

[@hartsickdisciple]

My experience with the p365 (2020 production model) has been rock solid reliability. Mine has over 1100 rounds of various different types of ammo through it, with zero malfunctions. Everything from 50 grain liberty civil defense to 147 grain Buffalo Bore +P with no problems.

[@louismatassa8489]

And the Springfield armory hellcat makes a great carry pistol 🇺🇸

[@anon6952]

Why did you post the American flag emoji here? Hellcat is made in Croatia

[@louismatassa8489]

@@anon6952 because they it on the box

[@louismatassa8489]

@@anon6952 defend you're legacy

[@joehardway]

And u believed'em? 🤣 How many jabs u up to?​@@louismatassa8489

[@Pat_Smith778]

My p365 had 500 flawless rounds, then started light striking. Sig fixed it. Dont trust it even though I have over 2000 flawless rounds thru it now.

[@michaelschaffer9165]

Most people make decisions for emotional reasons. They don't think they feel. Decisions often take evaluation and comparison.

[@OldBadger1]

My take on politics, religion, economics, etc 😅

[@mike34744]

Off-topic, but the SLR +5 mag extension you have for your Glock 26 is it reliable? Have you had any difference and functionality compared to the OEM?

[@oceaser6977]

I have a Macro X (comped) and it’s been solid but you’re right - Sig so money driven they’ll release anything without vetting it and have no care or clue if it’s viable. Their leadership has grown the company but it’s def not the same Sig that that made the P226, P210 and other legendary firearms. No you have drop safe issues, rusting, failure to feed/eject issues. It’s ridiculous to have these issues for a premium priced handgun. I plan to get a P226 SAO and have several others but I think I’m done with Sig

[@KotaManifest]

Thanks!

[@spnfirearms]

Wow man, I am humbled. Thank you so much for the support, it means a lot! Respect and thank you.

[@KotaManifest]

@@spnfirearms picked up a cple Springfields off your advice and very pleased

[@spnfirearms]

@@KotaManifestlove to hear it man! Thanks for watching and respect

[@esTaleCSGO]

@@spnfirearmsI’m building my g26 because of you! Can’t wait to finish it!

[@spnfirearms]

Awesome man! Let me know how it works out for ya. Respect!

[@BooneGribble]

Sig is a lifestyle brand that focuses its attention on marketing and trends, instead of manufacturing. They outsourced manufacturing to India, and spend all their money on advertising, and marketing. Sig USA isnt even related to the original Swiss company SIG, or the German company Sig Sauer. Much like springfield of today has nothing to do with old Springfield that built the reputation modern springfield relies on. Glock is a company that makes firearms for serious end users, such as military, and law enforcement. The SEALs, Delta Force, Green berets, SWAT teams... theyre carrying Glocks. German police had 500 Sig MCXs and half of them shit the bed in just a couple years. Now theyre moving to HK rifles.

[@rjo8500]

Imagine the cost today of a P228, P226 made to the exact original specs and hand fitting. Maybe $1,800? The fact you can still find these guns used for $500-$700 is a steal.

[@BooneGribble]

The Swiss, and German made Sig P220s are amazing pistols, with great design. Wish Sig USA would import some Swiss stuff, but they will never do that.

[@goforbroke2]

You guys trying to EDC’s modified guns……….your results will vary.

[@spnfirearms]

I modified them AFTER reliability issues. It’s all up on the channel my man