Why I Don't Trust the Bible

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From the debate, "Is The Bible True?" held in the Bronx, NYC between Alex O'Connor and Dinesh D'Souza on June 1st, 2024.
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[@rodvillass]

Alex I'm warning you, if you keep posting and posting these excerpts of the debate against Dinesh I'll just continue watching them and you can't stop me mate. You've been warned.

[@Finn07A]

Alex be warned hes not alone, we are not one, we are legion, we will watch you shall be warned

[@halestorm123]

​@@Finn07A😂

[@astrovation3281]

I stand with you

[@xephyr417]

For real. If he doesn't stop, I'll click every one. Final warning. You really trying to take up all my time like that?

[@Simon-fr4ts]

Mate.

[@DevonMusizza]

You made this man retire lol

[@motaman8074]

If only

[@theman12833]

is that the mmaguru profile pic?

[@DevonMusizza]

@@theman12833 yessir

[@timandmonica]

I get what you're saying, but for most of the people at the college where he is the dean, this becomes more and more of a solid victory for Dinesh as the months go on and the memories get shifted and changed. He will be considered a hero for debating Alex and winning. I've seen this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again in Christian apologetics.

[@dvillegaspro]

Alex glazers go hard in this comment section

[@ItsThatGuy1989]

Keep seeing clips from the debate. As a Christian I find it super cringe and hard to watch. Dinesh is awful and hits all the terrible talking points. Alex asked fantastic questions.

[@chottstuff]

did you have some better answers to Alex's questions?

[@thomasp12384]

A monkey stealing peanuts from you could have done a better job defending the Bible lol. I am an atheïst and I am pretty sure that some form of civilised discours on good faith could have been archieved where one might have settled on an okay answer. But debating like Dinesh.. Pff, he clearly was not prepared at all for this, the man bassicly begged the audience to go to questioning in the end

[@ItsThatGuy1989]

@@chottstuff I’m not a literalist nor do I think it is infallible. I also think many (not all) of the Old Testament interactions with God, including the horrific wars and killings and such, were anthropomorphic in nature. So many of his questions don’t really mean much to me

[@HarryNicNicholas]

if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the least he can do is hint as to how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.

[@jameschapman6559]

​@ItsThatGuy1989 unfortunately most Christians are indoctrinated, groomed and grifted by the church from early childhood. They are taught that the Bible is literally and infallible; and not to question it. But "only believe," by faith.

[@Blu3wonder]

Listing all the pros and cons of the potential rabbit-holes and saying "...take your pick" is one hell of a daunting opener

[@gamingnation2054]

Or it’s not quite that simple? Why is it so hard for atheists to comprehend that maybe god is beyond total human understanding

[@isdisgudnam]

⁠​⁠@@gamingnation2054 gods are beyond human understanding only because of the denial from those who believe in god (blind faith). If god is whatever you want him to be, then nobody can argue with you. This is why religions have a chokehold on a big portion of the world despite all of their faults.

[@paulwatts9015]

We can comprehend it. But comprehending that something could be beyond comprehension doesn't mean it is. Using the 'God is mysterious' answer to plug holes in religion and myth, especially when things we can comprehend are much more compelling, is not sufficient for us to accept. I do not comprehend the complexity of the nervous system. If I accept it as beyond comprehension I stop asking questions and remain in a state of ignorance of my own making.

[@ihateroads7926]

@@gamingnation2054”Those silly atheists. They can’t even understand something that is by definition impossible to understand”

[@thelastbrickbender2139]

@@gamingnation2054 so prove it, how is your assertion that there is this incomprehensible being of absolute power, any more potent when discussing reality, than any other claim backed up by nothing but circular reasoning

[@Arminius420]

Any book written by anyone claiming to be the word for a supreme being will always be automatically questionable.

[@xravenx24fe]

The whole books aren't the word of God, do you even know anything about the Bible? The books literally tell you what God reveals vs what the author was writing brother, you look like a clown when you say that to anyone whose read the book. Only Muslims believe their book was literally written by God and for that reason they believe it's eternal and preexisting creation which us Christians also laugh at, if that makes you feel more at home.

[@khalidsaifullah1321]

Aliens are supreme beings than humans

[@Arminius420]

@@khalidsaifullah1321 We haven't seen any aliens or at least have proof they exist, so I can't say if they are better.

[@johnfleet1854]

@@khalidsaifullah1321 are they ???? How do you know that ???

[@martinsinnombre]

@@johnfleet1854 He probably read it in a book. One written by an alien.

[@speakatron5634]

Dinesh sat there thinking "Damn, why did I agree to this?"

[@Aquamayne100]

for real lol

[@logician7517]

Because there was a camera.

[@Hellokitty_391]

LMAO

[@BeniaminG_]

Im a Christain but stuff like this really makes me think

[@infiniteworfare5089]

well your believing the wrong stuff. humans exploited wildlife, abused animals, and are lacking natural selection. lack of natural selection is causing impaired thinking skills.

[@خالدبنالوليد-ك8ع]

No Christian follows the Bible, if they did they would be extremist Muslims dressed in Crusader gear

[@chottstuff]

religion is answers that cant be questioned. freedom is asking questions that have no answers. thinking is freedom.

[@Adam-gl1qv]

The more you look at your Christian faith with a critical eye the more you will lose it. Once you lose it you will be amazed how ridiculous it all is.

[@SaintAndScholar]

About what exactly

[@TR-zf6io]

You may not see this comment among the thousands, but I wanted to say, I've been watching your content since your university desk held only a dozen or two books. 7 years I've been watching. I have always enjoyed your content and am impressed and proud of where you've taken your channel and life. Well done.

[@infiniteworfare5089]

yeah. hes not gonna see it.

[@pelaeomea]

@@infiniteworfare5089 I felt it though

[@infiniteworfare5089]

@@pelaeomea good. its good to see that not everyone become delusional.

[@hamdiyazid200]

​@@infiniteworfare5089It's one of the first comments I see

[@cassiusdhami9215]

The problem with this debate: One side is searching for truth and knowledge. The other is a criminally convicted grifter who cares for nothing orher than his own notoriety.

[@tourdeflores2693]

english or spanish?

[@yannickbr4383]

He's a notorious dumbass now

[@YamadaDesigns]

You can’t talk about Alex that way!

[@thermionix]

Exactly! Who's next? Alex Jones?

[@Meson10]

One is looking to Discover yet being skeptical of certain discoveries. The other One is Wise to believe in something that's beyond the realm of this Earth. more than Non-existence after death and finding there just might be more than these 5 senses that the closed off say to not trust beyond. Like telling a Man born deaf to trust in sound while him stating he's not trusting what is not in sign language.

[@thomasp12384]

Man, I rewatched your debate a couple of times. Mostly to study closely how you debate, for it is fascinating, lots to learn from.

[@Finn07A]

Saaaaame in my head, when i fantasize about winning ever, Argument i argue half as good as alex, in real life - Well... Ughhhhhhh 😭

[@thomasp12384]

@@Finn07A Haha makes sense, for me it helps to only debate about stuff I actually know alot about, else I end up like Dinesh fumbling all over the place. But I love to study this debate, not only for his arguments, but for his sharpness in spotting fallacies & illogical thing while staying calm.

[@MistakeLearned]

Most important, know the opponent and research and understand everything they know better than they do. Be very clear and unambiguous and be SURE that everything you say stands up 100% to scrutiny.

[@Michael-kp4bd]

And far from just rhetorical strategy, there’s much to own from his deep understanding of theology (which I care to spend next to none of my own time studying)

[@Finn07A]

@@thomasp12384 yea even so im just not good at responding and i let myself get interupted easily

[@Yourhighnessnona]

Watching this back and seeing Dinesh taking notes during this opening argument, only to say Alex being British is suspicious and not respond to ONE thing Alex has said, is too funny 😂

[@yannickbr4383]

Hadn't realised but damn you're right, thats another layer of hilarity added

[@Rolo-gn1nk]

He was probably doodling crosses all over the page to comfort himself.

[@JimmyTuxTv]

Opening statements r prepared and not intended as a rebuttal unless you have as one of your points already to counter in the affirmative.

[@augustycizauzo6372]

Yeah cause the dude went on a 10 minute tangent with a thousand points. This wasn't a debate

[@Dovahkiin0117]

@@augustycizauzo6372you just admitting you can’t keep up son

[@Br1ght0n]

It's so powerful to know the "holy" book so much better than those who claim to live by it but only cherry pick the bits they like...

[@VeronicaEphgrave]

I'm dreading that next step; I've come to accept that if I'm to tell all my Christian peoples that I'm not a Christian anymore, I'm going to have to read that thing again and pretty much be as well versed as Alex here (fat chance of that).

[@ithinkiknowme6450]

@@VeronicaEphgravelol start practising, I have!

[@fet5695]

But that’s exactly what Alex does as well, he just picks the bits he likes, and argues about them. His arguments are always about the same thing. And in comparison to the whole scripture, that’s just a small bit. Especially when you compare what the main message of the bible is actually about.

[@Br1ght0n]

@@fet5695 But that is exactly the point... you say "compare what the main message of the bible is about" but that means you are discounting all the (huge) parts of the bible which you don't think are the main message. Someone else could take an entirely different view of what the main message is, and based on all the bits you don't like that could be a very disturbing message...

[@fet5695]

@ i understand your point. But i have a problem with it. The way i see it, us humans as intelligent we may be or at least think we are, we will never fully 100% comprehend God or the way he acts. And its a fact that parts where we don’t understand why God acts a certain way are Waaaaay less then the rest of the Bible where we can see Gods grace,love, joy and forgivness while ate the same time being just. And what im trying to say is, that i as a christian have trouble understanding, why God ordered to kill all the women and the children, and the animals. But im sure that God had a reason why he led things this way, wether it be that the amalekites were sinful or wether the reason, was a different one. Thats just something us Humans don’t have an answer for, because we cannot see Gods thoughts all there is left for us to do is to believe that God had a reason. Now you wonder… but why should i believe that. And the Answer is simple. We as Mankind rejected God in garden Eden. And even though we did all of that we basically spat into his face, he still said “look i know you rejected me, but i create a solution, so we can be together again” and the solution was sending his son on this godless Earth. And just hypothetically speaking i want you to imagine this scenario. You are the son of the ruler in a big kingdom, you have basically everything. Lets be honest no one would degrade them selves so much and go live with the poor people, be homeless and try to survive every single day. And now you grow up and you have to die on a cross. And the Worst part about all of this is, that your Father is not there with you while you die painfully on the cross. I think this example isnt capable of showing what jesus went through, because it was far worse. But what he did was the most beautiful thing anyone has ever done in the history. But my main point is that God had to let some things happen, so that he could fulfill his plan and send Jesus to earth. And im just convinced, that if God made it this way, then there wasnt another way or maybe there was one, but a lot more people would have died. We humans have the right to either look at the whole bible sceptical, or accept it as gods word, accept Jesus as our savior and live with him. If we don’t Jesus won’t force us, but we have to be aware that this will mean, we will be seperated from him. And given the situation we are in right now with all our suffering away from god, wouldn’t it be beautiful to experience peace and love eternally? The absence of God is evil, so seperation from God will mean evil, and all of it that comes with it. And the last thing i want to say is, if i have lived a life with God, and with jesus as my savior i have nothing to lose, because i will strive to be like him, meaning i will have a easier time treating people with love and respect. And in the end of my life because of the grace of jesus Christ, i will be reconnected with god in heaven for eternity, which will inlcude joy, love, beauty, and every good thing, because evil cannot enter. But if it turns out that there is no God, i will have lived a wonderful happy life, loving others, and i will not be punished for it. But if its the other way around, i will have a serious problem. Not only my life on earth will be a sad one with a big hole in my Chest all the time, but also the life after death will continue to be full of evil and all the things that come with it. In Christ you have nothing to lose. think about it. Sorry for this long text, i wish you nothing but love and happiness. And i hope that one day you accept jesus into your life

[@BrodieTV]

“They get to go fr- No sorry, hold on.. You may take these as plunder for yourselves, yes that’s right.” AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA ALEX THE GOAT 🐐🔥

[@_abdul]

THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT!!!!! THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT!!!!!

[@Finn07A]

Drake, K Dot and Yuno miles where lucky Alex didn't bother with em

[@Squeakyboy]

@@Finn07A BBL DINESH💯💯🗣️🗣️🐐🐐

[@Finn07A]

@@Squeakyboy BrasilianBrainLoss 🔥🔥

[@Squeakyboy]

@@Finn07A BrasilianBadLogic🔥🔥🔥

[@bertrodgers2420]

As a Christian, I'd rather have Alex defending the faith than a lot of others

[@خالدبنالوليد-ك8ع]

Your Christian only in your head, I dare you to follow your book, you would be called a extremist

[@link9822]

Why would he do that?! Way too smart and informed for that 😅

[@DundG]

@@link9822 He once did against a fellow atheist as a mental exercise and to stealman this position aka. taking on the strongest possible version of christianity, as an exercise to examine the ideas as seriously as possible and to see if this version holds against scrutiny. And Alex did a way better job in defending christianity than the apologists he debates.

[@chesscake2641]

@@DundGdo you know where I could find that? I’d be quite interested to give it a watch

[@HarryNicNicholas]

if you're christian can you remind god he can't just go around killing people and burning them alive for eternity just because they disagree with him, we have rights. and while you're at it, cold fusion, if god isn't going to do anything about putin (heart attack or something that looks natural), if he's not going to stop the war, (when did he ever stop a war) then the least he can do is hint as to how to get cold fusion working - has he seen my electricity bills since the ukraine debacle started, there's a love eh. don't be pushy though, god has a short fuse.

[@joshuacrompton6974]

Dinesh created the concept of fallacy

[@pmaitrasm]

Heretoforth, it will be called the Dinesh Fallacy.

[@krisjones4051]

You created the concept of dumb@$$ery

[@jameschapman6559]

​@@pmaitrasm👍🤣

[@pmaitrasm]

@@jameschapman6559, 😆😆😆

[@celestialnubian]

Deeneish isn't talented enough to create anything.

[@charlief4514]

I see and understand the title but it would have been reasonable and nice to hear the response to the questions from the man you are debating.

[@jamesgatehouse3318]

The response is frankly embarrassing.

[@whiteShadow-yt9]

Only fair

[@parsonj39]

You can find the whole debate on KZbin if you insist on subjecting yourself to Dinesh's horrendous, irrelevant filibustering.

[@whiteShadow-yt9]

@@parsonj39 it's not the point 😅

[@donvalderath4308]

I came here for the video, I stayed for the comments.

[@gdfyredragan2270]

It has been 2 mins, there are literally no good comments

[@donvalderath4308]

@@gdfyredragan2270 yeah not yet, that's why I'm staying lol, I reckon it's gonna be juicy.

[@pmaitrasm]

I came, I saw, I stayed. 😂

[@donvalderath4308]

@@pmaitrasm veni, vidi, venio

[@pmaitrasm]

@@donvalderath4308, 👍🙂

[@spideybugg1]

You wrecked him from every perspective of "truth"

[@IntelligentAtheism]

Really? Do you think the world was better before Christianity? I'm a Christian atheist.

[@dariuslegacy3406]

​@@IntelligentAtheismthat wasn't the topic of the debate

[@faithalonesaves]

All Alex's objections to Christianity are solved by Marcion Christianity.. He, in 100AD noticed the same problems between the OT & NT. & saw the Judaizers judaized

[@PapaCloguu]

@@IntelligentAtheismyes

[@cassiusdhami9215]

😆😅 What a silly obfuscation. You mean was the world better over 2000 years ago.? 😂🤣 I can objectively say the world would be better now without Christianity (or any organized religion).

[@CTrudo27]

Didn't know that youtube allowed you to post murder clips but Alex has somehow been able to post dozens from this debate with Dinesh.

[@pmaitrasm]

😅😅😅

[@chrisdsouza8685]

😂😂😂 indeed 😂

[@AtanuKDey]

@CTrudo27 I think youtube policy allows uploading evisceration videos. Dinesh gets eviscerated but is still breathing at the end.

[@statutesofthelord]

It is not possible, by defnition, for anyone to truly be an Atheist.

[@orduenshambe4891]

Can someone explain his first point ? Is he saying the devil was not lying and man would truly become like God if he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? Cause God clearly states man could discern from the knowledge of good and evil which is like God . A more interesting question would be why didn't the serpent tell eve to eat from the tree of life ? I don't get the point he's trying to make because the Bible does say that one action brought death to the world. I am guessing the fact we are aware of sin makes us want to sin. You see it now. Once you're told not to do something, it's the only thing you want to do. I am trying to get why he makes this point.

[@ryanbell3195]

You had a structural advantage in this debate. That being the fact that neither one of you believes the things that Dinesh D'Souza claims, but only one of you can admit it.

[@sunflare8798]

In the end Dinesh is just a less articulate Jordan Peterson. They make the same arguments but Peterson is way better at evading and obfuscating. Coincidentially both work for the Daily Wire

[@pmaitrasm]

What do you mean by 'in'? What do you mean by 'end'? If I cannot answer you, I will twist and bend, In answering complicated questions, I am very bad, So I, Jordan Peterson, Must spit out word salad!

[@ivanfreire]

​@@pmaitrasm It's hard to tell...

[@pmaitrasm]

@@ivanfreire, Ha ha ha, yes. 😆

[@yes2112Sawyer]

They don’t make the same arguments at all. Dinesh is a fundamentalist. Peterson, whatever you think of him, certainly isn’t

[@HarryNicNicholas]

at least peterson is insane, dinesh is just dumb.

[@cupofcoffee4251]

You destroyed him with your superhuman British accent.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

apples n pears i say old boy, what ho!

[@Finn07A]

Unfair advantage mate

[@Simon-fr4ts]

​@@Finn07Amate

[@ChrisFineganTunes]

Even when D’Souza stood up he was unable to defeat the accent.

[@calebchristopherson9533]

I thought his comment on, it “not being an accident” that many prominent atheist thinkers have accents, very off putting lol was that just me?

[@pingwin7035]

I love how you express yourself. Its so elegant especially in the opening statement. Id like to see some content discussing rethoric or how you got to this point.

[@JesseSpeaksYT]

The reason for the banishing is because they stepped down from perfection. (not the english definition; without error, flawless) the biblical definition is talim (Hebrew) or teleios (greek) simply put perfection is defined by obedience with God. Eden wasn't a flawless place where Adam couldn't stub his toe on a rock. Rather what made it perfect was the connection with the creator he had. Jesus, Noah, abraham were considered "perfect". Due to obedience to God.

[@NCG00N]

The word "perfect" is not used in Genesis

[@billlyons7024]

You anticipated all avenues of attack and shut them down before they could be used. Poor Dinesh.

[@bradgaines]

Kinda like Eminem at the end of 8 Mile :)

[@cheshireket3132]

Because it's all the same arguments over and over again. Since the source material doesn't change, neither does the "proof" in it.

[@muluulum7953]

Also Alex used to be religious and knows most talking points. It makes him lethal. He reminds me of count dooku. Once a Jedi master but now a Sith Lord. Possessing both sides but utilising the dark side. But as king Solomon once said, “there is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death”.

[@oliveblake8154]

Wow, great arguments. I’ve always said the strongest arguments against Christianity are the ones that get down INTO the text. If more people slowed down when they read the Bible, I think they’d probably have to rethink some things about their faith.

[@cheshireket3132]

I mean. As literacy goes up, Christianity goes down.

[@Spriktor]

​@@cheshireket3132plenty sources debunk all these 'contradictions' furthermore it never claimed to be infallible text wise. We still have the dead sea scrolls snd recebrly even older manuscripts srill holding up. We have outfer sources like josephus, tacitus etc all affirming the same narrative. The binle is rhe only hyperlinked book in existance, look it up thats a fascinating chart. Witness accounts varying isnt a falsehood wither. People reported the titanic dank in 2 piece others in 2. The story remained consistent, it sank. Since we have so nany copies we can compare them to each other, doctoring them becomes impossible

[@TripleR-kb6uc]

@@cheshireket3132 this is hilarious coming from someone who thinks ‘I mean’ is a complete sentence 😂😆😂

[@Thestoryinthesounds]

If the tribal war god doesn’t condone slavery why was Alex permitted to own this poor fellow Feel free to join the debate in the replies

[@olsnippers6627]

Alex was talking about the God of the Hebrews and the father of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. He never mentions a tribal war god?

[@orduenshambe4891]

Can someone explain his first point ? Is he saying the devil was not lying and man would truly become like God if he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ? Cause God clearly states man could discern from the knowledge of good and evil which is like God . A more interesting question would be why didn't the serpent tell eve to eat from the tree of life ? I don't get the point he's trying to make because the Bible does say that one action brought death to the world. I am guessing the fact we are aware of sin makes us want to sin. You see it now. Once you're told not to do something, it's the only thing you want to do. I am trying to get why he makes this point.

[@Thestoryinthesounds]

@@olsnippers6627Dinesh referred to the god of the Old Testament as a “Tribal War God”

[@Thestoryinthesounds]

@@orduenshambe4891he’s stating it’s strange that god wouldn’t let them eat from a tree which gave them knowledge of good and evil, or so the tree was called anyways. Where does it say before this they have the knowledge of their sin because if I recall correctly they did not realize they were naked and had the need for clothes until they had ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

[@orduenshambe4891]

@@Thestoryinthesounds Because , once they knew about evil, they were doomed to sin. I don't get the point. Is he suggesting God didn't want them to have knowledge ??

[@theprecipiceofreason]

Classic 'best way to become an atheist is to learn about religion'

[@statutesofthelord]

It is not possible, by definition, for anyone to truly be an Atheist.

[@matthewkopp2391]

And the best way to return to theism is don’t take Religion literally.

[@theprecipiceofreason]

@@matthewkopp2391 yes, making up rules for the made up rules that include the rule of not following the rules. That's how you get easily manipulated, christian nationalism that you can then insert any populist issue onto by saying it's 'against the religion', despite never having been mentioned or heck, even condoned.

[@Midnight-Reason]

​@@matthewkopp2391 You'd still have to forgo rationality and the reliance on evidence in order to return to theism.. Whether or not you take religion literally..

[@augustycizauzo6372]

@@Midnight-ReasonYeah, it's called rejecting materialism. Read some secular metaphysics then reconsider the possibility of true religion.

[@hermitcard4494]

Facts dont care about feelings. And faith doesn't care about facts.

[@youssefalaoui4286]

The entire world experience is a feeling🤦‍♂️

[@hermitcard4494]

@@youssefalaoui4286 _"Well in my experience, people like you talking offend my feeling because you are far X, xphiles, bigots, and should not have the right talk."_ Do you like how people's feeling are ruling society, politics, philosophy, education, entertainment, religion and even science? Do you?

[@youssefalaoui4286]

@@hermitcard4494I think you are talking about emotions. Feelings have a much broader scope. A fact is felt as an experience, it is entirely subjective.

[@kevinmora8693]

Nay, faith is using evidences to be certain about something unproven. Humans live by faith everyday whether they are religious or not. Everything is designed in faith that the Earth will keep spinning, the Sun will rise, etc. We have no proof that the sun will rise, but based on previous observations and known laws, we can conclude that the sun will rise. In conclusion, can we prove God exists and that a final day of judgment will come? No. Can we prove that the sun will rise tomorrow? Also no. These two beliefs are not exactly supported by the same amount or type of evidences, but they are still supported by only some evidence and can not be proven 100%. Belief in something requires at least a tiny leap of faith.

[@richiskinner9810]

@@youssefalaoui4286 But faith does care about feelings which is mathematically impossible due to the transitive property of the first comment

[@Josef138]

I came here for the comments, I stayed here for the comments.

[@AshMaiz]

You see problem with "cultural Christianity" as soon as you see Dinesh face like "holy crap this guy actually read the Bible? People don't actually READ the Bible do they"

[@Montisa2008]

That Matthew & Luke part at 7:26 is why metaphors are not good enough

[@faithalonesaves]

All Alex's objections to Christianity are solved by Marcion.. he believed Jesus is the Son of God but the OT god is a demiurge. He noticed the same problems between the OT & NT.

[@welcometoWWW]

​@@faithalonesavesGod did not change between OT and NT. He will still be as vengeful and wrathful as he has been many times. The Sun sure has been active lately huh? Love seeing the weather keep breaking new records... wonder what controls the weather the most? Perhaps the giant flaming fireball 1000x the size of Earth? Nahhhh we're fine humanity will obviously make it beyond Earth and populate the stars :)

[@faithalonesaves]

@@welcometoWWW you’re misunderstanding. Marcion claims the one true God has always been the same. But Jews chose to worship Yawhh instead of the true God that sent Christ. Then when they couldn’t compete with Christianity they adopted and reimagined it and stapled their Old Testament on the back of Paul’s new revelation of Christ

[@slXD100]

@@welcometoWWW natural phenomenon, human impact, HAARP.

[@slXD100]

@@faithalonesaves but judaism started out with yawh, who is this other true God then?

[@louissivo9660]

I think back to when I told friends that I was agnostic and why; now I watch Alex and realize the way I explained myself probably sounded like a 7 year old. Alex is amazing with his sharp mind and eloquence. I love that we have KZbin so that I can be exposed to all his debates.

[@joannware6228]

Maybe you worship Alex. Everybody's got to serve somebody. It might be the Lord or it might be the devil, but everybody's got to serve somebody. Bob Dylan paraphrase. Alex's getting rich and famous because of dopes like you.

[@chekitatheanimatedskeptic6314]

Those are very interesting questions that I asked myself many times when dealing with my own doubts when I was still a christian, but in the end they only touch the surface of the problem of trust in the Bible. In my opinion the most important questions one needs to ask about texts that state themselves to be divine is their origin, composition and what makes them actually different from any other text that claims to be divine, or other texts period. Simply those 3 points demonstrate that to trust in the bible, just as in any other "sacred" text you have to accept that humans just like you and me were creating something which clearly is full of their own mistakes and problems without any input from themselves (creativity, lies, exaggeration, bias, preconcepts, racism, etc). There is simply no text on earth that doesn't share those same characteristics and as such there is no text on earth that should be taken as truth (or trusthworthiness) without first being modest about itself (like a scientific paper) and demonstrating it has standards and not claiming to be divine in the first place. I would say that first and foremost any text that claims to be divine to prove it's own worthiness already failed to be a divine text.

[@adaptivelearner6162]

Many biblical scholars will tell you that the bible was devinely inspired, this is not the same as being literally written by God himself.

[@lVideoWatcherl]

@@adaptivelearner6162 Where is the difference to any of the other religious texts then? If I told you the Illiad was 'divinely inspired', does that make it true? Or do these people somehow have a direct communication line to the god-creature they assume to exist which allows them to ask about which text is actually 'divinely inspired', yet they want to keep it for themselves? Many people can claim many things. The reason science is superior to basically any other epistemology is that it has clear guidelines, defines its methodology and delivers testable, repeatable results which oftentimes forecast the future provably and accurately. Theology has never once delivered in that regard, and it doesn't even have a set methodology. Even well-renowned biblical scholars don't use theological methodology to evaluate the bible; they use scientific methodology, literature analysis and methods of the field of history to analyze the text.

[@adaptivelearner6162]

​@@lVideoWatcherl "Even well-renowned biblical scholars don't use theological methodology to evaluate the bible" This is the most moronic statement I have ever read. This because, theology does have a method and, that is contextualising the bible and, its teachings and historical accounts. If one takes a passage from the bible out of its historical Jewish context then they are going to misinterpret that passage and the rest of the bible. This is systematic theology 101, science is a result of thousands of years of philosophy which is concerned with the nature of reality and morality. I hope you don't live in Europe which has been built on the moral foundations of Christianity.

[@111-p2o5x]

2000+ years later, still debating. There are more questions than answers, and more divisions among humans.

[@Pumbear]

It's crazy you opened the debate by allowing Dinesh to define the type of biblical truth he wanted to argue for and then his reply was to say it's suspicious you're British.

[@CharlesPayet]

That was GLORIOUS, @CosmicSkeptic!!!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Ive brought all of this up with my father in law who is a Lutheran pastor and he simply doesn't seem to care, he just says he knows Jesus loves him and he has faith and wouldn't want to live in a world without Jesus's love. He also said to me and i quote "you need things to make sense before you believe them"

[@philliprobinson7724]

Hi C.P.M. Your father-in-law must have holes in his feet: not stigmata type holes, but holes from shooting himself in the foot. Cheers, P.R.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@philliprobinson7724 😄 What do you say to someone who tells you that you need things to make sense before you believe them? I mean he's basically saying that he doesn't need things to make sense he just has "faith" that it'll all make sense one day when he's dead. I didn't know what to say to him after he said that, I remember thinking to myself "and you don't?" I also asked him the an Unfalsifiable question which was, what would need to be proven true that would render your belief false? And he replied, nothing could render my belief false. I then explained why that's a problem and he also didn't care. He became very upset when I questioned the validity of faith for determining truth and he told me "I'm a man of Faith" and said he would never talk about theis subject again with me. And we haven't, that was about 8yrs ago. He did apologise to me the day after for getting so worked up and not being able to control himself (his eyes lit up like fire) it's funny because I don't believe Satan exists but I tell people that the closest thing I've ever seen to Satan was in the eyes of a pastor. Even though he's the most gentle and kind man I've ever met, I saw something in his eyes that day I've never seen, I must have hit a raw nerve deep inside him. I learnt a lot about why he believes what he believes that day and understand now that he believes purely for emotional reasons.

[@Mac_an_Mheiriceanaigh]

There is a reason why they say 'ignorance is bliss'.

[@Etty-c5b]

Love Brit accent. It’s much more genuine than Dinesh’ American.

[@joannware6228]

"Man is like a breath; his days, like a passing shadow" Ps 144

[@MosesRabuka]

'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.' ~ Hitchens

[@gandalainsley6467]

Like atheism? Hitchens had a tendency to say logical things while ignoring the same thing in his own beliefs. Also his death seems like one big mock fest of him. Dude died in such a way that he can be mocked by every single religious person in every religion. Its like someone on purpose took away everything he cared about. His ego is gone because he was wrong. His pride was huge because of it which is destroyed because he was wrong. His legacy is being the atheist guy who preached that God does not exist and died from a throat thing so now people he looked down on all can laugh at him and can say my God did it. Look how stupid he was?

[@tricotdiko1435]

@@gandalainsley6467The onus is not on the atheist to disprove god. So go ahead, try and be witty. Hitch would tear you apart. Also, in what way was he wrong?

[@Cheximus]

@@gandalainsley6467 Good grief you people are so stupid it's actually painful. How in the flying fuck does "athiesm" require evidence? Do you even know what the word means?! Arrghghghgjhg!!!!!1111111

[@ScandinavianHeretic]

@@gandalainsley6467 Why would the religious delight in such things? Why are you so emotionally fired up and gleeful about what you explain? Does it give you pleasure?

[@gandalainsley6467]

@@tricotdiko1435 You won't like my answer. Lets just say I have met some of those things that he believed did not exist.

[@SterlingTate]

This is why debates tend to fall short, each writing notes to prepare to respond rather than listening to the argument. Like many failed marital relationships.

[@helenhollis3984]

​@noahr.5515Win souls? How absurd.

[@helenhollis3984]

@Sterlingtate Are you claiming that one can not listen and write?

[@SterlingTate]

@@helenhollis3984 if that’s what you pulled from my statement. You aren’t really listening.

[@helenhollis3984]

@@SterlingTate It is not at all unusual in debates like this for notes to be taken. People tend to dump many points, sometimes off topic points as well in order to distract and avoid answering a clear question or misrepresent what they fully understood. I would argue that the very fact they are taking notes indicates that they are in fact, listening. Remember taking notes in a lecture?

[@SterlingTate]

@@helenhollis3984 I do, not with the intent to respond however. But to learn. But debates still tend to fall short for the reason I stated.

[@KeanuReevesIsMyJesus]

3:50 LOL! I can see why everyone is calling you the new Hitchens. Cheeky fellow.

[@Cheximus]

What happens at 3:50 that's so funny?

[@r.i.p.volodya]

@@Cheximus He made a feint of the bible being humane but then turned the page and of course it was in fact horrific!

[@IR17171717]

No disrespect intended to O'Connor or Hitchens but they are totally different characters. Hitchens was very charismatic and funny and relied on rants and humour. He didn't, however, have the slightest grasp over the philosophical arguments and when he tried to engage on that level (see his debate with Craig) it's not very good. He was obviously super smart and funny. O'Connor, though, is far more reserved, doesn't rant and go into lengthy monologue about how silly his opponents are, or whatever. It's worlds apart. They are both very good to watch.

[@DundG]

@@IR17171717 They're different. But I think most people see in him the new Hitchens due to his impact on the theistic and atheistic community, not his similiarity with him. I prefer Alex over Hitches, simply because Alex respect for his opponets and his willingnes to take them seriously without letting anything slide makes theists way more open to his views than hitchens did.

[@Finn07A]

​@@IR17171717Hitchens had great points tho, he had some bad moments tho, febate wise, i mean But against Craig you don't really have to do anything anyway he's the literal definition of a poser 😂

[@ishiftfocus1769]

Christians believe the Bible is the word of God. Whether or not others believe, it reigns as the most significant book in history. But what proof is there that the Bible is not just another religious text? Why do Christians believe it is the written revelation of God? To determine this we must start by reading it. How can we know it is God’s words unless we first hear what it says. Then, we can consider if it possesses the unique qualities of a book written by God. Qualifying Criteria There are certain necessary criteria that we can expect if a book was God’s. These initial criteria disqualify most books from consideration as the words of God (fiction, biography, textbooks). Many don’t realize that there are very few books pass these tests. How does the Bible fare? Does it claim to be the word of God? Yes, all over. 2 Tim 3:16; 2 Pet 1:21; Gen 1:3; Exo 19:8; Amos 3:8, etc. Does it align with known history? Yes, it covers a period of 1400 years. Does it record divine miracles? Yes, many. (Foolishly, some reject the Bible for passing this test.) Does it speak of the transcendent (spirituality, truth, wisdom, love, justice, goodness, faith)? Yes, it is most known for this. Billions of people have benefited from it for this very reason. The Bible passes all qualifications with flying colors, which means it has the potential qualities of being of God. Still the question remains, how do we know it is not just a book written by men fraudulently claiming to be God’s? Proofs of God’s Revelation Beyond meeting these rare criteria, the Bible has unique qualities that not only make it one of a kind, but together prove that it must be the revealed word of God. 1. It’s Brevity Shakespeare said, “Brevity is the soul of wit.” If so, then the Bible is the beginning of wisdom. The Bible is a collection of 66 small books of about 31,000 verses. That may seem large until we consider the diverse genres it contains, and how much it says in so few words. Men could only say a fraction as much in a book 30 times as long. (For comparison, the Hindu scriptures contain a billion verses.) 2. It’s Simplicity Children can learn truth from the Bible, and yet its wisdom is deep. It makes wise the simple, and does not require experts and gurus to unlock its secrets. Instead it requires mere faith to continually benefit from its lessons. 3. Israel Though some civilizations boast of their size, influence, and history, the Bible was revealed to and through the small despised scattered nation of Israel. It records their national failures, corruption, downfall, and judgment from God. Even if a people could write a book about their own people, they would not write it the way the Bible depicts Israel. The Bible should not exist due to Israel’s historical struggles, but the Bible prevails with truth that influences the world even today. 4. General Prophecy True prophecy can only be of God. Most of the Bible text consists of prophetic revelation and the record of its fulfillment much later just to prove the book is of God. There is none else that can tell the future like this. The Bible prophecies names, cities, people, and events (e.g. Jericho, Josiah, Assyria). Many of these places and events are foreign to modern history, but they described future events during the 1400 years that the Bible was revealed. 5. Babylon Prophecy (Specific prophecy) The Bible prophesied Babylon’s fall, named the empire that would destroy it, named the king who would conquer it (100 years before his birth), the year it happened, and the strategy of their defeat. This was all foretold in the Bible before the rise of Babylon as a wonder of the ancient world. 6. Prophecy of Empires (National Prophecy) The Bible prophesied the rise and fall of the Persian, Greek, and Roman world empires by name centuries before they appeared. 7. Alexander the Great (Personal Prophecy) One of the many people whose lives are prophesied in the Bible includes the well known Alexander the Great, his conquests, early death, and how his empire would be divided. All fulfilled as written in Biblical and secular history. 8. Israel’s Return (Unlikely Prophecy) Small nations do not return, once they are destroyed. Yet, the Bible prophecies Israel’s destruction, captivity, and their return down to the year. 9. Prophetic Types (Historiographical Prophecy) This form of prophecy precludes the writer from knowing what he writes is prophecy. The written details of an historical account foreshadow a future event or person. There are dozens of types in Biblical history that can only be witnessed after the future event and history has already long been written. 10. Prophetic Knowledge (Undiscovered Prophecy) The Bible contains knowledge not discovered by men until much later. This knowledge could only be revealed by God. It reveals the universe had a beginning (not proven by men until the 20th century), innumerable stars, the wind/water cycle, paths in the seas, sanitation, marriage, and more. 11. Prophecies of Jesus (Messianic Prophecy) The most well known figure in history was prophesied in the Bible centuries before he was born. Details about his birth, life, message, miracles, type of death, at whose hands, under what circumstances, in what year, and how he would be treated by others is all given in hundreds of prophecies. 12. Wisdom of God in Salvation (The Mystery Revealed) The Bible reveals the secret of how God would save the world, the means of which no man could have invented or fulfilled. That we are all sinners is proven by scripture, guilty of offending God. We need God to save, else we face the consequence of our sin in death and judgment after we die. The mystery of the gospel is that God was in Jesus Christ, dying for our sins, providing reconciliation, and defeating death through his resurrection. This allows a Holy God to give eternal life to sinners who trust the Lord Jesus Christ and his righteous work to save. That the Bible reveals God our only Saviour and the only righteous means of salvation is proof that the Bible is Holy. It is the revealed word and will of God given for us to believe.

[@M0stlym3answ3ll]

This was a spectacular comment. Thank you so much. God bless you.

[@ophthodawg]

Alex is a treasure! Thank you for putting your intellect to good purpose…

[@tjcint]

Alex's intellect is separated from his soul. This is not how we were created to be.

[@tjcint]

@@Ratro25 Yes, we have free will to engage in self sabotage. Be it eating junk food or believing in junk thought.

[@PlayzBlanston]

Great opening statement especially considering Mr. Bad faith actor insisted on you going first to, idk, defend your withholding of belief?

[@tonyxxdtfamous9581]

@user-ou4wr4ko9t how do you know that?

[@Finn07A]

​@@tonyxxdtfamous9581 by watching debates and listening to apologists

[@tonyxxdtfamous9581]

@user-ou4wr4ko9t ok

[@tacitozetticci9308]

Okay but who tf plays vel'koz

[@tonyxxdtfamous9581]

@@tacitozetticci9308 what is that?

[@gardenamusic]

Would so love to see conversations between you and more substantial representatives of Biblical scholarship like Dr. Tim Mackie of The Bible Project or Dr. N.T. Wright! As a follower of Jesus, I always appreciate your evident thoughtfulness and genuine care for the subject, as well as your consistently sharp insight!

[@chrisford9045]

" sharp insight" !!! he's as spiritually blind as a ant !!!

[@BlockyBookworm]

@@chrisford9045 So his real eyes work perfectly well, then.

[@chrisford9045]

@BlockyBookworm that's not good enough, in time ,it will come back to bite him hard ,in the ass

[@AbsurdlyGeeky]

​@@chrisford9045k

[@jonny-mp3]

Great points raised, would love to hear a rebuttal

[@RoninTF2011]

Watch the debate then....full lenght availble

[@jonny-mp3]

@@RoninTF2011 I found it and I have, was a disappointing rebuttal in my opinion

[@RoninTF2011]

@@jonny-mp3 did'nt expect much from D'Souza....so I was not dissappointed. Low enough expectations I guess

[@MusoStuu]

Alex, it’s quite incredible, you’re literally asking some of the questions I asked my church leaders, verbatim. Especially some of the more specific messianic prophecies in early Matthew concerning Jesus’ birth place. Getting in touch if you want to know some real corkers in terms of discrepancies between Gospel Accounts.

[@downenout8705]

There isn't a gospel "discrepancy" that can't be cured with a very large dose of apologetic snake oil.

[@Spriktor]

Majority gegs debunked good sources out there on yt. The book never claims to be infallible regardless, its divinely inspired not such as the claim of the quran saying its 'uncreated'. Evidence points to there being a God, up to you to find out which. Truth is inherently exclusive, Jesus claims to be the way the truth an the life. Pray about it with an honest heart and you should get your answers too

[@advancedbasicsAB]

Alex, you are restoring my faith in humanity.

[@randomRyze]

Restoring faith in humanity/reality, while obliterating faith in supernatural beings.

[@Ash-xo7ql]

Hey Alex, another atheist here, can you set up a debate/ discussion with 'Bob of speaker's corner', he's very knowledgeable about the bible and the historical ties it has. Would love to see his reaction to the topics you spoke of with Dinesh, as usual great video. 👍👍

[@joeyspillane5404]

You need to have a sit down podcast with Cliffe Knechtle. I want to see his views challenged by someone of your intellectual caliber. It would be a great conversation

[@triaxon3791]

that Cliffe guy doesn't deserve an audience with Alex. Cliffe is such an immoral malicious thought virus it should make anyone sick just listening to his views. Cliffe just needs to stew in his own juices, and simmer down to nothing. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love

[@Etty-c5b]

I’ve seen Knechtle vs Dan Barker. Cliffe really went off the proverbial cliff in that one😅

[@jefcaine]

Props to Dinesh for taking on this debate as it’s way harder to defend the Bible than some vague notion of god. Too bad he didn’t come as prepared as Alex.

[@danielbarrera8391]

I don't know how you can even come prepared to defend something which doesn't even have a solid foundation. No one who defends religion could truly do so without throwing aside their conscience and intuition and the ability to reason and think.

[@abstractumuniversum]

@@danielbarrera8391I mean that’s just entirely wrong. Some of the most brilliant and revolutionary philosophers have been Christian.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

he's done enough debates to know he isn't cut out to even be a christian let alone a debater.

[@falsevacuum4667]

Yeah I will say I at least appreciate that he allowed Alex his introduction uninterrupted.

[@chrispysaid]

@@abstractumuniversum said brilliant and revolutionary philosophers throw aside their consciences and intuition and reasoning when it comes to defending the God claim

[@robinhood20253]

Glad we have this debate for days when we feel low , like religion is destroying the world , we can spend a couple hours watching comedy relief

[@randomRyze]

Religion has indeed caused irreparable damage to the world, not to mention the fact that we would be far more advanced today if Christianity didn’t halt our progress for centuries.

[@MFBjosejuFanNumberUan2047]

These redditors man 😂

[@Spriktor]

​@@randomRyzelets forget Christianity being the cause of universities, human rights, the western law as a whole, modern science- the belief the universe isnt chaotic nonsense bur observable from a logicsl creator. We only discovered moral and nature's laws- becauas there is a lawgiver. Educate yourself, God bless

[@MichaelJPartyka]

1) The problem with the "Adam and Eve don't die right away" argument is that it presupposes that Adam and Eve were created intrinsically immortal rather than dependent on the Tree of Life for their immortality. In the book of Revelation, we're told that the inhabitants of the new Jerusalem will eat from the Tree of Life perpetually, implying that this is necessary for their continued existence. But in the metaphorical sense, the Tree of Life is *connection with God* -- as Jesus says, "This is eternal life -- to know you, the true God." What God is saying to Adam and Eve, then, is that when they corrupt themselves by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil -- which is an ordinary tree, by the way; it is only God's command to Adam and Eve that they not eat of it that makes it special, and their fall is brought about entirely by the self-corruption required of them to reject God's morality and establish their own (thus acquiring "their own" knowledge of good and evil, which the Bible is constantly admonishing man to reject in favor of God's knowledge) -- they will be denied access to that intimate connection with God because they have disobeyed and offended him. And because you cannot have eternal life without that connection with God, they will have in effect caused themselves to die in that day, though the effect would not take hold for a long time (the same way if you drink a poison that has no antidote, you have killed yourself that very day, even if the poison takes a number of days to kill you). 2) In a book that says God flooded the whole world to destroy all of humanity except for one family because the rest of the world was corrupt beyond belief, it's hardly rational to take issue with God's commanding the Israelites to annihilate a particular population of humanity because they were corrupt beyond belief, especially when the point of God's choosing the Israelites was to make them demonstrate both his love of righteousness and his hatred of sin toward the world. The Bible doesn't put human life on a pedestal as if it is always right to leave alive those who will do nothing but bring further degradation to the world. That's why the Old Testament has not only the death penalty on an individual level but also on a corporate level. You can have a group of people who, by way of culture and beliefs, are so corrupt that it is entirely possible that what's best for the world is their eradication. Only God, however, has the power to make that judgment -- and in the cases mentioned here, God does make that explicit judgment, and orders the Israelites to carry it out as the carriers of his will to the world. 3) Slavery isn't advocated in the Old Testament so much as regulated. Slavery was simply a fact of human life in both Old and New Testament times. (It's a fact of human life today, actually -- the difference is that today more people object to it than not.) In olden times, the captives of war often had two options: slavery or death -- take slavery off the table, and what, in those times, did you have left to offer? Freedom to reorganize and come back and fight again? Moreover, slavery was often used as a way to pay off debts or avoid starving. In a world that had yet to invent the concept of bankruptcy law or establish widespread social welfare systems, slavery was how some people avoided imprisonment or death. Horrible as it is to be without freedom, it is a Western conceit to think that slavery is the worst thing that can be imposed on a person. (From a New Testament perspective, it must also be remembered that God never intended the Old Testament theocratic system of government to be a permanent system, just one best suited to the time in which it existed.) 4) There are those who argue that the Gospel contradictions are actually positive evidence for the authenticity of the Gospels -- e.g., "If there were no contradictions, what you'd have is a single eyewitness account told four different ways, but instead what you have is four eyewitness accounts, which is even better evidence." And even as far back as Origen in the third century A.D. we have arguments from esteemed Christian luminaries that John's Gospel cannot possibly be a rote historical account of, but is rather an allegorical spin on, Jesus' earthly ministry. So very early on in Christianity the "truth" of the Gospels was thought by some Christians to mean the essential truths God intended to be communicated, not "truth" at the standard of 100% historicity or literal correctness.

[@asphalthedgehog6580]

A list like yours is exactly why I left the church. Couldn't cope with such a load of nonsense. Better be quiet no-one with any sense can take this. You might be judged by believing these stories. God gave humans big great brains to think for themselves, not for using an ancient book written by people who knew nothing.

[@MichaelJPartyka]

@@asphalthedgehog6580 Ancient people who had nothing to go on but their own experiences of life were likely far wiser about life, and how best to live it, than anyone living today, given how much time we spend immersed in fantasy worlds (including social media). Which is not to say they were always right about the facts of history and science, but you don't need that sort of rectitude to live a good and meaningful life.

[@asphalthedgehog6580]

@@MichaelJPartyka yes I agree on that. However I see no point in defending the bible, and certainly the old testament. Telling people they go to hell if they don't believe the stories of genesis only makes people say: this is total baloney, so probably the whole bible is. If pastors keep preaching Adam, Eve and the story of Noah is true, well I guarantee you that Christianity will end quickly completely. That's not to say indeed you can live a life that is ok. My sons believe nothing, but have Christian standards of living, and I think this has nothing to do with the bible. Most humans simply know exactly what is right and what is wrong. Why? You don't want to hurt anyone, because you yourself don't want to be hurt.

[@MichaelJPartyka]

@asphalthedgehog6580 I would argue most humans know only the fundamentals of what is right and what is wrong and do a lot of harm to themselves, others, and society not knowing the rest. That's why even though the overwhelming majority of people are not murderers and thieves, we still normally divide that majority into "good" and "bad" people.

[@Utopian1234]

I never understood how the regulation of slavery is okay because "that's how it was back then" Why would an immortal god who had no problem stating what he believed to be immoral, bend to the will of his subordinates? Also because the gospels are so different that proves its accuracy? what? if the entire bible is based on eyewitness accounts, and when 4 of them are pitted against each other, they disagree heavily, what does that say for the accuracy of the rest of the Bible?

[@petercollier9073]

I really hate being given just one side of a debate, it is so against the very idea of a debate, the idea that people who disagree can hear both sides and work collectively towards a solution- this makes me sick.

[@hannotn]

Loved Alex's last sentence or two, inviting D'Souza to joust. He was like a sentient shark, twitching his tail at the anticipation of blood in the water.

[@jasonmcaleenan1748]

No clips from this debate on Dineshs KZbin. Can't imagine why.

[@neill392]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i36unItuprd7qdk

[@SecularM0nk]

Dinesh has the face of every person who hasn't read the bible being read the bible...bewilderment.

[@AtanuKDey]

@SecularM0nk I am sure that Dinesh has read the bible. It's just that he has not understood the bible. Reading does not guarantee comprehension. In "A Fish called Wanda", one guy objects to his girlfriend calling him stupid. He says, "I'm not stupid. I read Alexis DeToqueville's Democracy in America." His girlfriend replies, "Even monkeys can be taught to read. Question is whether they understand what they read." (Paraphrased.)

[@Etty-c5b]

Dinesh has read the Cliff Note-Cherry Picken special version of the Bible many times.

[@davidmmm8]

Dinesh is most likely an Indian Hindu man.

[@AtanuKDey]

@@davidmmm8 No, sir, Dinesh is not "most likely an Indian Hindu." Hindus don't have D'Souza as their last name. That's a Portuguese last name. Furthermore, Hindus don't vehemently insist that the Christian faith is the only one true faith and that Christ is the savior of all humanity and that the Hindu religion is essentially evil. Hindus are not that effing stupid. I know all this because I'm an Indian Hindu man.

[@mcarp555]

It's been great to watch Alex grow from a confident boy to a man who knows what he's talking about. I'm looking forward to watching him continue to develop as a powerful skeptic and anti-apologist.

[@Vladdy_Daddy1999]

Alex seems to argue with semantics and he will find the LORD soon if he so continues

[@mcarp555]

@@Vladdy_Daddy1999 Somehow I doubt that.

[@ga6589]

@@Vladdy_Daddy1999 What credible and verifiable evidence do you have for your claim?

[@Vladdy_Daddy1999]

@@ga6589 bro you really sound like that 🤓👆emoji by saying that XD

[@ga6589]

@@Vladdy_Daddy1999 You sound like you have no evidence or your claim. I'm not surprised.

[@TheKing-kb3zr]

Man, I as a Cristian I appreciate how much you try to understand and get so deep into it. I fully understand your point of view and many of your arguments. If you believing the bible, you also believe that you have to explain it with itself, not with our logic, because god is greater than our logic. For example, one verse: „Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Hath not god made foolish the wisdom of the world?“ 1 Corinthians 1,20 or „For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.“ Isaiah 55,8 Therefore, to get the grip of it it is more needed than openness and logical thinking, you need the believe. And this believe can only be given by god himself. That is why it is so important not to search by yourself, but to PRAY for it. Then you need to give your own wisdom and your own identity up completely to become a follower of Christ, like Jesus said: „If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross, and follow me.“ Matthew 16,24 Believing in god it to cling to the bible as the word of god and trust with all of your hearth, that what god says is true. And this is not possible without gods help, because we are full of doubts, as you can confirm I guess. We are bound to this dimension and the time and the physical laws- god isn’t. We can’t understand his thoughts but we can believe what he says, and that we are alive because of him is a very good argument for his love to us for me. I am sorry for my kinda bad English, but i hope this can help you or anyone at least a little bit. Have a great day you all!

[@4GroundM1n1atuR3s]

This is the biggest cliffhanger I’ve ever seen 😅

[@forbeginnersandbeyond6089]

Alex is SOOOO right! The Bible can be so illogical.

[@signposts6189]

He isn't. His interpretations of Scripture are illogical, which you confuse with Scripture itself.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

@@signposts6189 whatever, the bible is a badly written book of ripped off stories that are full of plot holes cos there is no god in the first place.

[@skindred1888]

@@signposts6189 oh not at all. It's a dumb book with bronze age goat herder morality. The amount of plot holes and contradictions is hilarious. People are just plain lying to you bud

[@signposts6189]

@skindred1888 If only. That's just a plain foolish take, bruh. You allege plot holes and contradictions, which are on you to demonstrate or prove. So, name one or two that is beyond doubt.

[@EYECRAFTVideo]

THIS IS WHY YOUR CHILDREN CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BOY & A GIRL - WHERE IS THE SCIENCE

[@PJGRAND]

The Bible is a work of inspiration written by many many people most people just pick out a passage they like don't need to be all uptight about everything Bible a book of inspiration what's wrong with that but it's just when people take it literally that things can become dangerous

[@glenbateman5960]

The Bible lost me at talking snakes.

[@ga6589]

It lost me with Dust Man and Rib Woman.

[@babufits1584]

I get most of my tea from snakes, they got their ears to the streetsss🐍

[@ianalan4367]

It was a serpent not necessarily a snake. Nor do we know whether the serpent spoke audibly or in Eves thoughts.

[@SinghRoadwayS]

@@ianalan4367you are trying your best to fool yourself.

[@razony]

And talking burning bushes.

[@elmaxlife]

Not a single religion is right and never will be

[@ThomasHoag-k7d]

Old saying "There is no one so blind as one who refuses to see."

[@kitmoore9969]

Luckily we have people like Hitchens, Dawkins and now O'Connor to explain where the light switch is.

[@ThomasHoag-k7d]

@@kitmoore9969 And they're making sure it's kept off so people won't see the light of truth.

[@shawnwilker2755]

I like watching these because Alex is able to eloquently put into words, in a way that I could not, all the problems that I had with Christianity while growing up in the church.

[@benholmes-u2i]

*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*

[@JerryAdams-fc7yv]

There's wonder working power in following Kingdom principles on giving and tithing. Hallelujah!

[@BasilBeechwood]

But then, how do you get all that in that period of time? What is it you do please, mind sharing?

[@FelixRothbart]

It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus

[@FelixRothbart]

Big thanks to Ms. Chisty Fiore❤️✨💯May God bless Christy Fiore services,she have changed thousands of lives globally

[@AndreaBickel]

How can I start this digital market, any guidelines and how can I reach out to her?

[@ezpzlemonsqueezy90]

Dinesh had to resort to making fun of your accent. His opening position was an ad hominem lol

[@pmaitrasm]

Dinesh should know that out of the two of them, the Englishman wasn’t the one speaking English with an accent.

[@Finn07A]

​@@pmaitrasmwell all languages are accents its just that one is yours

[@mattyrider2809]

If god created the entire universe including the stars and planets and then all of life on Earth ect…. Then why couldn’t he have created the Bible in the same manner? He could have created a tree on which bibles grow and are readable (or audible) and understandable by every human being? Even Steve Jobs was able to create this type of device.

[@gerfriedgabber7230]

Dear Alex, there are no contradictions in the Bible! If something is wrong in your view, that doesn't mean it's a contradiction. You have to read exactly what it says! Adam and Eve: 1. GOD said to man - Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of EVERY tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: And what does the serpent say to the woman? Yea, hath God said, Ye shall NOT EAT OF EVERY tree of the garden? As you can see, at the first contact with man Satan had already twisted the word of God! Why are you twisting the word of God? Did God really say that man would die the next day? Because you don't know the Bible, that's why you're talking nonsense! Look at what God says later: 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast heard unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. The wages of sin is death! God didn't say that Adam and Eve would die right away! HE says what should happen next for the two of them! You haven't done your "homework", so for you it's a contradiction! Let's move on to the next point. Adam and Eve were created for eternity! In the beginning they also ate from the tree of life because they were without sin. God said that they could eat from ALL trees EXCEPT the tree of knowledge! But because they fell into sin, God banished them from the garden and denied them access to the tree of life. If they had eaten from the tree of life as sinners, they would have lived in sin for eternity, but that was not God's plan! God knew and knows good and evil. He "manages" it, He has no "problem" with it - but sinful man takes pleasure in sin! See Cain and Abel! What don't you understand????????????????????? Do you want even more? Have you read the Bible? Why did God destroy the Amalekites? Exodus 17:8 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim.........17:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua : for I will completely put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven. Deuteronomy Chapter: 25.17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; 25:18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. 25:19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it. Do you now know why the LORD punished Amalek?????????????? You have no idea what you're talking about!

[@chonk6683]

Lv 1 Christian crook vs lv 100 Atheist boss 💀💀💀 (edit: I am a theist, but Dinesh is grasping at straws throughout this, and is losing theologically to an atheist.... Really just a very weak attempt from somebody who's unqualified to even be a representative... He's almost there to make it look bad..)

[@Michael-kp4bd]

And only the one with a very strong academic background and curious inquiry into legitimate theological study? The atheist 😅

[@tourdeflores2693]

english or spanish?

[@EYECRAFTVideo]

THIS IS WHY YOUR CHILDREN CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BOY & A GIRL - WHERE IS THE SCIENCE

[@graysenvanderkant7712]

He's literally a theist?

[@adoboyt7572]

Yep. An Atheist indeed.

[@deactivatedchannel4362]

you have to understand that God is the perfect judge, and that everyone's life will be judged perfectly. God knows everything that you will do or not do. So if He commands someone to kill you in His name (for example the 'innocent children' that Alex mentioned) they are being killed from perfect judgement/logic /nature. i hope yall see what im saying. alot of people are really turned off about this, but its because they are forgetting that God is perfect in his judgement.

[@KasperKatje]

Nope. Your god doesn't care about justice and morality, he only cares about worship. A repenting SA-ist goes to heaven but if the v1ctim is an atheist she will go to h3ll. Where did justice and morality go? Straight out the window. Your god is like a judge playing favorites: "guilty, but I paid your fine because your my friend...you are free to go!".

[@ronniemora8469]

Been and Atheist since 12th April 1981, when I saw Columbia take off, from Florida, on TV here in the UK. I'm now 55. Nothing has changed my views on religion, stories and myths ever since. The total nonsense people are told about, a Deity above

[@HS-qv3dh]

heaven was pierced?

[@ronniemora8469]

@@HS-qv3dh I was highlighting the total nonsense of a Deity above, we're told about, at that age

[@VVooshbait]

There is definitely some kind of "deity", maybe not personifed like here but definitely there is

[@ronniemora8469]

@@VVooshbait we all have opinions. No one can prove either way

[@VVooshbait]

@@ronniemora8469 right, thats why we dont call stuff we dont agree with "myths"

[@pimesonhadron]

Ugh man, kudos to you for doing these and for maintaining your sanity and presence of mind. I can’t even stand people like Dinesh, I just forward to where it’s you talking and dismantling his pathetic beliefs and other nonsense.

[@Mira_mbx3]

Dinesh promoting Christianity is so funny to me considering the whole history of Christianity in India.

[@IsomerSoma]

The english are hardly the fault of christianity tho.

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

Like most of the people he rubs elbows with, promoting Christianity is all part of the grift and power grab.

[@editor7354]

St Thomas came to India… if u think it’s colonialism? Then…

[@pxrkhali3363]

We he is most likely a self-hater, the type of Indian who dunks on their people to gain validation from whites.

[@fireblossom9618]

​@@editor7354Thomas brought Orthodoxy to India. Most Christian Indians nowadays are Catholic or Protestant which were popularised by the Portuguese and British respectively I still disagree with the original comment since anyone can be Christian if they wish but Christianity would not be as large today in India if it weren't for colonisation

[@mtom2237]

The reason so many people believe the literal word of the Bible is that they’ve never read it.

[@danhtran6401]

Bet you haven't read it either.

[@bobwilkinson2008]

If they had read it, they would be atheist.

[@leo--4341]

christians have built up their god, messiah, and themselves as morally righteous people yet when push comes to shove, they act as most ordinary pagans would act

[@Spriktor]

Tell me you haven't read the bible without telling me you haven't. Thats not what a true christian believes. We are all hypocrites ans sinners. We canr do wbat we want ro do and do what we dont want to do, slaves to sin. Thats why we need saving silly

[@John-xt5qx]

@@Spriktor In practice, being Christian Makes no difference then.

[@danhtran6401]

​@@John-xt5qxnope, being a Christian takes a heavy toll on the brain. When a Christian who truly believes in God and hurts others, they toss and turn at night versus an atheist who could sleep soundly through the night thinking punishment will never come. Isn't it good that a person feels bad when they do something wrong?...with enough mistakes, one can change oneself and make it easier to reject sins. God is the only source that can help with that. Knowing the all seeing eye is upon us keeps us away from sin, at least that's what it's supposed to do....

[@John-xt5qx]

@@danhtran6401 or it gives u a justification to be a pos

[@versatilejams]

I like how Dinesh writes stuff down, as if he’s going to give a response that isn’t laughable crap.

[@r.i.p.volodya]

00:28 Asking whether Shakespeare is "true" is NOT a fair analogy, particularly when we are told by christians that the bible is THE truth, now and for always, handed down by god.

[@hlumeloziyokwana4]

😂😂

[@razony]

This is most like where Shakespeare got his inspiration from, the bible. The drama, mystery, romance and the horrors. Just like Shakespeare, it's not real. Just stories.

[@JoeBrrr]

Alex, I don’t understand why you and others don’t go at Jordan Peterson with this same energy. Meaning holding him accountable for the confusing takes he has on Christianity. Why can you not remove the historical aspect from the mythological aspect of Christ, why are they inextricably linked. I think you let him off the hook with that one 😅

[@adoboyt7572]

Agreed

[@LetoATX]

Alex is Hitchens reborn.

[@HangrySaturn]

Yup

[@Swinefeld]

I’d like to think so but Hitch had a nastier edge. He didn’t just defeat his opponents but he delighted in their misery.

[@andybanan1992]

​@@Swinefeldalex is still relatively young, let him debate for as many years as Hitchens did and you will eventually see his tone shift aswell

[@thoughtful1233]

He's much too polite.

[@enzorocha2977]

I was about to write the very same comment right after watching this episode, but thought better of it a little later. I believe saying Alex is Hitchens reborn would probably be insulting to both of them (if Hitch were still alive). Chris is Chris, Alex is Alex. They have totally different approaches, different demeanor when debating. In fact, Alex has a video criticizing Hitch for his sophistry (kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKDToGx7bLp0jLM). I may be wrong, but the only thing they have in common, aside from atheism, is their nationality. I think Hitch even said he's anti-theistic (more in attack mode than not), whereas Alex is more Socratic and more inclined to slow-cook his interlocutor lol

[@AscendedGrey]

Thank you your true questions. May you find the truth you are searching for.

[@pmaitrasm]

Based upon the performance, preparedness, and patience of Alex O’Connor in his debates, he appears to be a formidable opponent. Dinesh D’Souza did the best a man could possibly do. The things he mentioned in the debate are things most teenagers born in a Roman Catholic family would say. This is because they simply accept what their church fathers say. The church fathers get away with saying anything because nobody in the church will ever question or counter the church father. Dinesh D’Souza also typically speaks to his own coterie of audience. In other words, just like the church fathers, Dinesh D’Souza has traditionally been preaching to the choir. Could anyone else have done better in place of Dinesh D’Souza? I highly doubt it. It is very difficult to defend a position that the god of NT is the same as the god of OT. Most people don’t question this because they seek safety in numbers, do not want to be isolated, and would not take a contrarian position to what is generally perceived as the _kata holicos,_ or opinion of everybody, except that ‘everybody’ is typically a small group. Here is a hypothetical situation. - Make a team of three people, with the following members: (1) Patriarch of the Orthodox Church, (2) Pope of the Vatican, (3) the top individual from the biggest of the Protestant churches. - Now pit this team against Alex O’Connor. Chances are, Alex O’Connor would still win. If the debate drags on for a long time over several days, then chances are, the three members in the team, instead of fighting Alex O’Connor, would start fighting each other, and might even end up anathemizing each other.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

dinesh was out of his depth and he always has been, this is the last thing he is cut out for, the man is a dik.

[@pmaitrasm]

​@@HarryNicNicholas, Dinesh did start with an _ad hominem._ That was rude.

[@celestialnubian]

"Could anyone else have done better in place of Dinesh D’Souza?" I can't believe that's even a question. Yes, there are many many people that could articulate a case for Christianity better than Dinesh though Alex would beat them too. Dinesh is not an above average person nor is he an intellectual. He's a theocratic racist who attempts to mask his insecurities with false erudition.

[@kinsumandal2467]

Before Reading the Bible I was an Agonistic person but after reading the Bible I became an Atheist.

[@philliprobinson7724]

Hi. Why do you let just one belief system define your decision to believe in God? I went through a similar "anti-epiphany" sixty years ago, but instead asked myself "is it possible God is actually a scientific person?" Cheers, P.R.

[@Sean-oy8xm]

Beautiful and life affirming!

[@kinsumandal2467]

@@philliprobinson7724 The amount of Atrocities "God" Created points to two things, either he is worse than Satan or He doesn't exists. I am talking about Old testament of course.

[@philliprobinson7724]

@@kinsumandal2467 Hi Kinsu. Yes, either that or the O.T's version of God is an exaggeration. The New Testament has similar threats from Jesus. Jesus is a so called "prince of peace" who threatens the cities of Chorazon and Bethsaida with the same treatment Sodom got. (Matt 11:21). As for the book of Revelations, best not go there, it can only have been written by a soldier. I believe that reigning kings gained from God being depicted like this, because it justified their own use of atrocities. (God did it, I rule in God's name, therefore I can do it.) This is classic responsibility shifting. Cheers, P.R.

[@boblol1465]

how can you be 100% sure that there is no god though?

[@eugenehertz5791]

"Genesis 3: 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." - NOWHERE does it say that Adam and Eve will die on THE SAME DAY they eat from the forbidden fruit, as Alex falsely claims at 1:08 -- the only thing said to happen on the same day is their eyes being opened, according to the serpent. Adam and Eve DO die though, making God's threat come true, since they get banished from paradise and have to live mortal lives: "19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." 3:02 Yes, the same God responsible for the great flood was ok with certain cities being attacked. The people of which practiced sacrifices of children and whatnot. 6:19 The latter. Incompleteness is nothing to lose sleep over. Every library is incomplete. Wikipedia is incomplete. It's rather a miracle that the Bible doesn't have thousands more of lost references.

[@soupdragonuk]

WRONG. Chapter 3: 2 says ...Neither shall you touch it lest you die. Sad really you think the KJV is the correct version of the bible. You're jumping through hoops to defend the genocidal god aren't you. Are you really trying to say that every single city god destroyed was due to child sacrifices? Are you really that blinkered?

[@kitmoore9969]

"NOWHERE does it say that Adam and Eve will die on THE SAME DAY they eat from the forbidden fruit" Gen 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." That's literally what god said, rather than what the woman said god said. How can you get this wrong? Gen5:5 "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died." So "in the day" equals 339682 days.

[@eugenehertz5791]

@@kitmoore9969 "In the day" refers to the day of eating and not the day of death. I can say, "the day you go on a high sugar diet, you shall get diabetes" and it's perfectly fine syntactically and semantically, even though it takes time to develop diabetes. Eve omitting the alleged same-day punishment from her statement solidifies that point beyond doubt. To MAKE THE CLAIM, based on these verses, that God lied about his rule for the tree of knowledge is completely indefensible.

[@kitmoore9969]

@@eugenehertz5791 'I can say, "the day you go on a high sugar diet, you shall get diabetes" ' You missed the preposition, because you mean FROM the day, not IN the day. Starting FROM the day you eat a high sugar diet, you'll get diabetes. Nobody says "You shall get diabetes in the day you go on a high sugar diet". --- "Eve omitting the alleged same-day punishment from her statement solidifies that point beyond doubt." No it doesn't. She also omitted to mention punishment by mortality. There are numerous things she didn't say, none of which prove anything. --- "To make the claim ... that God lied about his rule" God said that A&E will die on the day that they ate the fruit, so he kicked them out but they didn't die. The people who made this up didn't corroborate their stories.

[@Chris_A_UK]

@@kitmoore9969 @eugenehertz5791 They did die the same day, they did not make it to 1000 years... 2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

[@thearborbarber]

I wont try to tackle this who video but in regards to one of Alex's objection's. All of which are strong and worth seeking out. The objection at 6:05 on Matthew and the messiah coming from Nazareth (Nazareth meaning The Branch or Branch in Hebrew). On at least five different occasions, three different Old Testament prophets refer to the coming Redeemer as a "Branch" (Isaiah 4:2, 11:1; Jeremiah 33:15, Zechariah 3:8, 6:12). I would argue that there is no objection here at all. All objections made in this video can be refuted and answered through scripture.

[@stephenwodz7593]

Why would an omnipotent, all-wise God choose to pass on essential inforrmation using something as nebulous and problematic as LITERATURE. Consider all the problems we have with copying (not always accurate), translation (often a matter of opinion), distribution (incredibly time-consuming before electronic communication), literacy (before the 20th century, most people were illiterate), and, of course, interpretation (very much dependent on politics). God could have avoided all these issues by simply downloading all this information directly into our brains in a form we would each understand perfectly. He is, after all, omnipotent.

[@maxabdulhadi]

He does but anyone who says they feel God’s presence is ridiculed by atheists.

[@youssefalaoui4286]

Your Life (consciousness) IS God. It is all there is.

[@oldpossum57]

I’m afraid the theists will miss the point. Mr. maxabdulhadi already has!

[@adaptivelearner6162]

It's actually much harder to alter the varous versions of the bible with the same essential information as opposed to saving it on a computer which can be corrupted with one push of button across all platforms. Also, what if the Government bans certain websites or passages. That's the problem with leaving everything in the digital realm control over it is far more centralised than let's say hard copied books.

[@drsatan3231]

​@@maxabdulhadiif put a bunch of talking flaming bushes all over the place which constantly dictated the bible in every language then I'd believe

[@garethtatler6886]

I trust the bible... I trust that it will hold the door open when I use it as a door wedge.

[@animatedsermons4448]

i wont believe you till you put your right hand on it and swear.

[@forgotmypassword2804]

God brought glad tiding to adam and eve after eating from the tree of knowledge of Good and evil. And God made them lamb skin coat (anticipated redemption) for them. That's the sign of love. There are many mysteries in the bible. It is beyond human understanding. Bible is a spiritual book. Use our spirit to experience it rather than using your mind only to understand it.

[@valeriepreston6318]

I don’t understand how Christians grow in their faith by reading the Bible. Since I started reading it, I have questioned Christianity. I do believe in God though. Still a Christian out of fear and the fact that some prophesies seem to becoming true, and spiritual warfare does appear to be real. Maybe Christianity has truth to it, but has been tarnished?🤷🏻‍♀️

[@1920s]

I empathize with you.

[@LukeTheSchoolBoy]

I have been faced with doubts too but that was before I started reading the Bible and actually one of the reasons I started reading. I just got through Genesis last night and I've been asking the Holy Spirit to help me understand it.

[@jtheist32]

@LukeTheSchoolBoy Ah yes, Christian logic. Let me ask the Holy Spirit about the Bible. Let me see if the Bible is true by assuming it is true. Truly brilliant.

[@davidchukwuocha7052]

I want to see you interview John Lennox

[@michaelsands442]

3 views but 12 likes.... it's as magic as the magic book... But i live Alex. The Years live watch him grow... it really feels like a community. I DO wish he hasn't quite so diplomatic though. Hopefully in the future, he'll be less reticent to just call someone a liar or snake oil salesman

[@viralshark]

The view and like counters don't update consistently together at the same time.

[@3leggedfish41]

3 views and 12 likes? Explain that atheists!

[@Finn07A]

I think thats what makes alex great, he engages in the best faith way possible, he interacts like youd imagine jesus woul interact turning metaphoriical cheek after cheek, thats what makes him so great And thats what will actually get through to christians If they feel insulted it will take them longer to even consider arguments

[@Finn07A]

​@@3leggedfish41you got us. Its our atheist gay demons possesing the like button

[@speakatron5634]

@@Finn07A So true! Couldn't have put it better myself.

[@stevenpike7857]

Why would you trust a bunch of letters written by ancient people over thousands of years and copied so many times, we don't even know who the actual authors are or can't prove it?

[@Etty-c5b]

Perfect usage for Blind Faith.

[@stevenpike7857]

@@Etty-c5b Blind faith is another term for willful ignorance.

[@NathanMladenik]

why would this guy named Jesus Christ of Nazareth have leaps and leaps of historical evidence that He died on a cross and rose 3 days later while also having 4 eye witness accounts of Him doing miracles and claiming to be the Son of God where He predicts His own death in the accounts? that doesn't strike you as peculiar at all?

[@KarinPiper]

​@@NathanMladenikReally? A story handed down from uneducated Middle Eastern goatherders who were dead decades before the story was even put in writing is as good as video evidence? People who thought the earth was flat and that gawd will kill anyone who burns the wrong incense in the temple? This is your proof/truth?

[@vancechristakes3489]

These kinds of comments are fairly naive, especially when there is a wealth of documentation supporting much of the Bible. Look into it, especially before you make a bold claim like this

[@TheHackersboss]

I have learned throughout the years that someone can be educated and still believe in religion. Education doesn't always go hand in hand with rational behavior.

[@anothermike4825]

If god has a plan for us, doesn't that mean that our futures are set and we have no free will? God has plan for you and he knows what is going to happen in your life because he planned it that way. Who would want to worship a god that condemns you for what he made you do? No one ever said religious people were smart.

[@SaintAndScholar]

You’re clearly no smarter than anyone you would insult.

[@MarkBonneaux]

the church i go to with my family did a stint over Revelations a couple of months ago, and something about it caught my attention. the rapture of the 144,000 there will be more than that many people on earth at the time of the rapture and the 144K will be saved by their free-will choice to follow God isntead of the anti-christ. but here's the thing, if the Bible is taken as exacting fact, then the implication is that once the 144Kth person becomes "saved" by their faith, there's no more room on the metaphorical boat for anyone else. anyone not already on the boat is SOL and doomed by prophecy to not get to be saved. where's their free will? this is predestination full-stop, contradicting the free-will supposedly given in Genesis with the eating of the fruit.

[@falsevacuum4667]

I'm an Atheist, but I think when people say the Christian God has a plan they more so mean that he has some desired purpose or outcome from your life and will take minor actions to reveal it to you and show you the way, but you with your free will need to seek out God's desire for your life and choose to fulfill it. At least that was my understanding while I was a Christian. Of course, that still implies that God is directly interfering with all of our lives to manipulate us into predetermined paths, at which point what is the reason for even creating free will if God is all powerful and has a preferred outcome, but yeah.

[@anothermike4825]

@@falsevacuum4667 That is what I was getting at, if he is manipulating you to do what he wants, you don't have free will.

[@bbb-k6v]

Man invented god, to stop him being afraid of the dark !

[@danhtran6401]

Clearly you've never met Him ...

[@sarali1816]

God is the beginning & the end, he was not invented by someone.

[@WaltPowellsAIProductions]

I also find it fascinating that as smart as Ben Shapiro is he allows himself to be twisted in pretzels trying to defend this stuff. I find that most conservatives have basic common sense and are very intelligent, but for some reason many of them still believe in the Supernatural

[@Steelmage99]

"but for some reason many of them still believe in the Supernatural" Can they then be said to have basic common sense and being very intelligent (or at least more so than non-conservatives)?

[@aralornwolf3140]

Ben isn't smart... he's just good at pretending to be smart. He employs fallacies constantly, but it's much harder to correct him as he speaks quickly. Most conservatives, imo, aren't exactly full of common sense, considering how easily lead they are by con-men...

[@loganmanderfield1162]

What's so insane about the supernatural?

[@Finn07A]

​@@loganmanderfield1162nothing really, most of the other stuff he believes is so much more insane 😂

[@Finn07A]

Ben might be smart, but hes a grifter/caught up in his worldview, (hard to tell these days) he won't ever get intelligent, because he will refuse to listen to experts on literally anything His religious believes are the least crazy thing about it

[@JoseMoreno-ly1im]

Faith is believed in something without asking anything

[@SuberDuberUberEvan]

So, the Bible is untrustworthy because of subjective moral disagreement? I see that any moral argument from an atheist must be subjective and definitionally invalid for debate. Because I could all the same defend my position the same way. Unless you believe that with enough assenting subjective perspectives, the objective manifests. To which I would quote the Bible, “where two or more are gathered, I am with you”.

[@KasperKatje]

Nope, the Christian claim is that morality is absolute/objective and god is the standard and because it is claimed to be objective, this proves god...bla bla bla. But see how Christians try to downplay, twist, cherry pick or flat out deny god's laws in the OT to defend their god and the claim of objective/absolute morality.

[@SuberDuberUberEvan]

@@KasperKatjeI think you said a lot here. Are you saying not only are the "gods" of the New and Old Testament not the same God, but Christians ignore parts of the Old Testament so as to not contradict with the New Testament? That is to say, the Bible is untrustworthy because the people who claim to follow it don't actually do so... We're in the weeds thick, here. The Bible does not teach its followers to be hypocrites and cherry pick. If you understood the law, you would not object to it. Do not steal, do not murder, do not commit adultery. In Micah we see, "He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?" Jesus quintessentializes in His teachings, that all of the law is this; to love God and to love one another. It also says in Galatians, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." You must understand, if a parent has a baby and the baby is having a hard time making it to the bathroom, the father will state a law, "You must wear a diaper". What is the heart of this law? Who is it for? Is it for adults? Does this law stay with the child forever? Is it meant to demoralize and be a permanent law? We were babies in the Old Testament, wandering in the woods and sinning because God's wisdom and love had not matured in the minds of His followers yet. "But because they were hard of heart, I allowed these things". It's not about obliteration, it's about mitigation, the law is good and serves a purpose in the time that it is written.

[@gordon3186]

No, the Bible is untrustworthy because it's a barbaric book about a barbaric god who commands genocide, infanticide, misogyny and homophobia. .