Why I Hate Stacking Raid Farms

[@Fibonotchy]

I recently built a stacking raid farm for the first time on my solo world and I can agree the drops are outrageously op. I’ve always used villagers in the past. Raid farms just get you there faster. Great video!

[@treeleafytree]

Love the positivity you encourage at the end of most videos! Don’t stop!! As someone who needs to hear it, it is that positive reinforcement that is needed. Loved the video as usual!

[@Goooooooooooooooober]

Those are my thoughts too. -Really easy to build -No spawn proofing -Tiny footprint and yet it supplies many types of items in the hundreds of thousands -Nullifies a bunch of other farms (which for me is the big one, since i like building farms)

[@parzahval2884]

Same for me, I have 30 farms in my single player world but I don’t have a stacking raid farm only a very inefficient one from wattles jus bc they’re far too op and they mitigate the use of like 4 of my farms 😭

[@assassinsahab]

Stromne : is a redstoner Also stromne : wants us to use witch huts and villagers to get redstone

[@alphamurals3096]

"IT'S F***ING SADLES!" hahaha best part!

[@luisorozco4440]

I personally use raid farms because there isnt way to find quad witch huts in newer versions :/

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

same. I wish quad witch huts were more common.

[@assassinsahab]

Cubiomes Viewer : Am i a joke to you

[@YuuseiKurobane]

A single witch farm is sufficient in my opinion if you're willing to afk long hours, plus it saves you the effort of making a perimeter (or endless cave lighting). But ofc if you aren't against it then you're right, just make a raid farm! Practically highest effort to reward ratio

[@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut]

I heard witch farms aren't viable anymore? I scrapped my quad hut seed because that was what I got told

[@YuuseiKurobane]

@@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut yeah they're not meta anymore but you can always make them

[@Miguel-gj8uc]

What I did is just build the other farms, but, as I dont like waiting, I built also the raid farm (its also convinient for item recollection)

[@metallikalm4336]

The weird thing of stacking raid farm is they can produce secondary or higher wave at each raid. The reason why I feel weird: 1, The player is outside of the range of target village. 2, Raiders are not tied to any village because they can produce bad omen. (raid should be failed if they lose their village) 3, Raiders are already existing where secondary wave wants to happen. (unlike iron farm) So, I think stacking raid farm should produce only first waves or 1 raid at time. And I personally like normal raid farm. I hope you guys understand my clumsy English.

[@IzsKon]

9:20 I kinda disagree with that part. I'd rather run a stacking raid farm at midnight for a few hours, and never use the farm ever again, than have people running separate slower farms all the time on the server.

[@taeurus]

Well outlined without directly attacking others' stances, Stromne, as usual. The regular Raid grinder you outlined to get Hero of the Village can also save you making a clay farm for renewable terracotta since Masons throw it to the Hero. Speaking of clay, if one does want that farm in addition to glass trading with Villagers, bottles from the Witch Farm can be used on mass for making mud to get clay. With Hero of the Village, Clerics will also trade those bottles at nice low prices for even more emeralds. One forgotten feature of sugar from the Witch Farm is it can be used very rapidly grow Horses and Mules to adult stages so those looking to make speedy speedy mcspeedy super horses or mules will save themselves a lot of headache on waiting time. I understand these are niche advantages but they are advantages nonetheless for some to remember.

[@JustJum]

I honestly just wish witch huts were buffed again. AFKing 24/7 at my witch farm for like 1 redstone dust is getting kinda annoying... But I still wont build a raid farm (Mostly because I'm scared they'll nerf them soon lol)

[@taeurus]

If you're okay with bedrock removal, doing so to blocks directly under the bounding box of the witch hut and then removing as many of the other blocks as possible under it without blocks at a very distances above the bounding box will greatly increase the rates. It obviously takes work, but it will make the rates jump

[@JustJum]

@@taeurus isnt it only blocks *above* mob farms that affect spawn rates though

[@b7deocamporonelio897]

@@JustJum caves also affect the spawning rate so if you want a faster witch farm you should spawn proof everything in a 120 blocks radius

[@JustJum]

@@b7deocamporonelio897 you can just AFK in the air

[@hahagager]

I only built one to flex on my friends with my big funny farm. I think I could mine enough redstone for what I need.

[@eshwar6969]

6:52 End crystals are made from Ender eyes not ghast tears. I also thought it was ghast tears for the longest time idk why

[@Stromne]

it's both, so yes, it does include ghast tears. minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Ghast_Tear

[@Adamniezgodzki]

I agree. I have a long term world (not hardcore) and out of all the silly farms I have built the raid farm is one I haven't had an interest in. Treating raids like a boss battle makes me appreciate the totem more and trading provides more than enough emeralds.

[@lukebeich]

I'm a noob, but I hear many arguing that trading halls are OP too and in a sense, part of the value of raid farms is connected to trading halls, isn't it? I don't want to do whataboutism, but I can see that those two types of farms are very efficient. Personally, I think the game should reward players who treat villagers "nicely" and punish those who "imprison" them in 1x1 cells (e.g. villagers increasing prices). As for raid farm, I don't know how could they be "nerfed" other than maybe removing the "stacking" part mechanic entirely. And as you said, there is a big degree of subjectivity on these matters, so the first issue is always "if" they should be nerfed.

[@Chris_Cross]

Punishing players for making trading halls is one of the worst suggestions I've ever heard

[@lukebeich]

@@Chris_Cross I didn't suggest to spank players on the butt XD... I just said that villager trading is also very op and that's not my opinion, others feel that too. But while I heard people suggesting to change what you can trade or base prices, I thought that making villagers upset if they cannot move and increasing the prices that way could be another approach. You can still do it, but you shouldn't be able to enjoy everything perpetually discounted. Maybe that way people will start to make trading "villages" instead of trading halls.

[@Chris_Cross]

@@lukebeich I never implied spanking anything. Why did you bring that up? Making them be unhappy for being in a hall literally is a punishment which is what I said in my reply.

[@lukebeich]

@@Chris_Cross it was a hyperbole, I didn't mean to put words into your mouth. I'm ultimately talking about possible nerfs, that's all. It doesn't even need to be anything drastic.

[@Yorick257]

You know what? I just got an idea. For every night a villager can't go to bed - increase the price. Or use some other villager's social mechanics as a check

[@combrade-t]

Yea I kinda agree, I held off on building for a good while on the server but I have designed one for above a ocean monument. Kinda think raid mechanics need to be revisted anyways, the raid farms are insane and I don't think it's uncommon to have a degree of dislike of them amongst people who build strong farms, meanwhile having patrols show up so you unthinkingly kill them and start a raid on accident is annoying. Makes some sense but also like, it's not the most enjoyable experience imo. Nerfing raid farms, buffing witch huts, Villager reform to make mass trading easier (ik void trading, I'm also making one of them, but I didn't for so long because I'm not the biggest fan). I really wish more stuff was renewable outside of just villager trading too, really not a fan of it and crafting being the main paths for renewability, just infinitely less interesting than farming. (Villager to witch conversion is definitely an interesting concept, I hope ilmango can find enough in there for it to be considered if they change how weather works, which imo they should anyway, it's much easier to skip e.g. a thunderstorm than it is to get it, and so many interesting farms could come from reliable lightning access)

[@DouglasGordo]

what about pillager banners? the best drop from raid farms! lol

[@bennettlewis5495]

🤣🤣🤣

[@taeurus]

They can run a super smelter without issue very well allowing you to save those valuable sticks for trading or crafting ;P

[@aloysiuskurnia7643]

Screw it! (Builds a raid farm only to keep the banner for fuel) Joking aside, I do agree that raid farms are ridiculously OP, too. Too bad I don't enjoy having raids on my village (yes this is skill issue on my part) so for the totem, so in the meantime... yeah. Neat video though!

[@nanashj96]

funny but I use it a lot, since my world has only one biome (stone shores because I'm crazy), getting terracota is possible only with villagers, it cuts me time getting the amount of emeralds that i used to get with villager trading, it was madness over my own madness.

[@Stromne]

Hero of the village farm with stone masons gives clay for terracotta

[@wiinx-v1z]

Bro are you happy with 1.21 raid farms?

[@enkvadrat_]

I only build a stacking raid farm for the redstone, you would get enough emeralds from a non stacking farm to sustain your need anyway.

[@Alanhallow]

I am reminding you can you make a 3 levels of wither killing machine

[@dABiGfATLol]

i think witch huts need a buff. either be able to increase # of spawn platforms or increase platform size imo by increasing bounding box. rn theyre completely negated by these farms and not worth the effort in terms of being efficiwnt, only for fun.

[@johanputter5061]

totally with you!!!

[@martinshoosterman]

I personally disagree. Or atleast, I personally feel differently. At this point in the game, most of the farms I am building are stuff I am building because it seems cool, or because it looks fun, more often than not i am not making a farm because I actually need the resources. Definitely not because I need the quantity of resources that the farm will give me. Having a stacking raid farm lets me choose more farms to make for fun, rather than out of necessity. And there is still absolutely nothing stopping me from making a farm for one of the resources I am getting from the raid farm, if I want to make it.

[@mooncatcher_]

How is raid farm worse then void trading? Both are equally OP, latter is even more exploitive.

[@Yorick257]

I personally go with a regular raid farm. It's OP enough to make my casual life a bit easier but it's also not that crazy

[@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut]

I only used an easy normal raid farm for the first few days in my world until I got my other farms and villagers going

[@vojtechsolc324]

I actually built raid farm just because Ian released it and I thought it would be cool xd yet I am working on making HOTV farm because only thing I use it for is redstone xd

[@madman2572]

Imo villager trading is a poor substitute for anything with an alternative as it's already too overused and quite boring when you use it to get everything in the game. HOTV gift farms on the other hand are pretty darn cool. I'd like to see them more widespread.

[@drip155]

eh fair, even if i disagree since i am the biggest Stacking Raid Farms fan out there

[@raymondstheawesome]

I have come to the exact same opinion by myself. I'm not at all interested in raid farms. There's nothing in a raid farm that you can't get from another farm. Exception is totems but I can just manually do a raid for a handful of totems that will last me a while

[@bennettlewis5495]

Except you're not interested in raid farms because they're OP, you're not interested because they really aren't that useful. Who builds anything with emeralds other than beacons....because they have too many emeralds... and you don't even need a raid farm to have too many emeralds.

[@IzsKon]

@@bennettlewis5495 Raid farms are mainly useful for redstone dust imo, there aren't many good alternatives for that

[@bennettlewis5495]

@@IzsKon Um, other than novice clerics? With just one cleric you can get 1 redstone dust for every 16 rotten flesh. That means a regular old mob grinder will give you plenty of redstone dust. All you need is a brewing stand and a villager.

[@IzsKon]

@@bennettlewis5495 Sure you can get lots of redstone dust from void trading. Personally, I'm not a fan of having to manually go through the villager UI. Another possible alternative is hero of the villager farm, but my PC will probably crash from the villagers before I can get a decent rate for redstone dust.

[@bennettlewis5495]

@@IzsKon Of course... But my point is really that Stromne is claiming stacking raid farms are OP. I'm saying they're not. They produce a LOT of junk that has to be managed, which is more annoying than OP. They are fun at first, but finicky and have to be built far away, as opposed to an iron farm or mob grinder which can be built under, above, or around your base.

[@dereiziger3433]

I like this video and do agree with some but deffenitly a few points with which I dont

[@YoruAmeHD]

you know the game is so flexible people have different ways to play it and have fun with it it's honestly inspiring

[@SuperLlama88888]

Play Bedrock; the best raid farm was 284K emeralds/hour with 128 stacked villagers and using glitches with invincible captains to get that much bad omen. (It broke ofc!) The current best one is 48 stacked with 40K emeralds per hour, so umm yes we don't really get many emeralds..

[@hellytubbies]

i can definitely understand why u wouldn't like raid farms. i have the chronos v3 in my world and ill admit it is absurd how many items it generates. i wouldn't be mad if it was patched in newer versions considering i've gotten enough redstone for eternity lol

[@YoruAmeHD]

it's not a glitch or anything, the only way is if they nerf the raids. I would totally be up for a nerf on drops, it's really fun to build a stacking raid farm and I wouldn't mind if they were producing way less drops it will feel more fair

[@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut]

​@@YoruAmeHD I mean the drops make sense if you take on raids yourself. There's no incentive to do them if the loot is shite. The "problem" is how easy it is to build raid farms.

[@YoruAmeHD]

@@hellytubbies it's not a bug i suggest you watch Scorpio's stacking raid mechanics explained

[@YoruAmeHD]

@@hellytubbies search on yt _how do stacking raid farms work Scorpio_

[@poom323]

I feel like raid farm is too generic but it is best for what it provides. If other farm can be effective like at least half of stacking raid farm. I would build other farm. Especially redstone farm. Current version of witch farm is far too slow. Void trade isn't convinient to do in multiplayer especially anarchy server. Voidless trade is also pretty slow. No-raid farm or hero of the village is hard to set up and too laggy to be good as raid farm.

[@jaehaerys9194]

You forgot about one thing, instant health potions

[@Yorick257]

And iron axes. Everyone needs a lifetime supply of iron axes. On a more serious note, auto potion brewing is a thing

[@keithtwombley]

tries to prove raid farms are OP. Also proves villager trading is insane mega kooky crazy OP.

[@bennettlewis5495]

If stacking raid farms are too OP because they give you more emeralds and totems than you can use, doesn't that mean that EVERY good farm is OP, because any good farm gives you way too much of whatever items they are designed to generate? And to get ANY benefit beyond a handful of totems from a stacking raid farm, you have to create, organize, and manage a massive villager trading hall. Isn't the villager trading hall the REAL OP "farm?" Doesn't a well designed villager trading hall make most farms OP when you sell the stuff to villagers for emeralds? Even a string farm or iron farm? I don't even bother with curing villagers anymore because I still end up with too many emeralds from a decent iron or string farm, or even just a carrot or potato farm. If anything, it's the villager trading hall that's OP, not the stacking raid farm. A stacking raid farm is a mediocre farm if you don't have a villager trading hall.

[@wizvanis5580]

DONT BUILD RAID FARMS