Why I LOVE "Metroid Prime: Corruption" Despite its Flaws

[@robertkenny1201]

A HD Remaster of both this game and Echoes is we'll beyond welcomed.

[@mr.snulch]

I couldn't agree more. All these games would look great in HD, but personally I think Corruption is the game that would benefit from it the most. The environments and graphics are so good and detailed, they're just begging for an overhaul.

[@WeeG-bwc77]

Only if they do em' like Prime 1. Sanctuary Fortress would look amazing if glazed up.

[@BigBossBernie]

especially after the great remake of the first one and part 4 knocking on our doors :D

[@Dzzy123]

Corruption has some of the best environmental and art design of any Nintendo game. Brryo and Elysia looked amazing, and the Pirate Homeworld was a great way to build on pirate lore. The hunters were cool to interact with, too.

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah there's absolutely no doubt about that. Even just looking at the concept art, the amount of work and creativity they put into the environments is second to none.

[@trashaimgamer7822]

I personally liked both Prime 2 and 3 more than Prime 1. Blasphemous I know. Prime 2 because it turned a basic formula into a darker, more challenging experience while simultaneously streamlining the level structure. Prime 3 because it was an epic, action heavy adventure spanned across multiple planets, each having their own lore, making the world of Metroid as a whole a lot bigger.

[@mr.snulch]

UH OH. WE HAVE A HOT TAKE HERE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN 🔥🔥🔥 I've never heard that before but there's no blasphemy where opinions are concerned. That makes sense, as both 2 and 3 bring something new and unique to the table in their own way, whereas 1 admittedly just recreates Super Metroid in 3D. I'm just obsessed with Talon IV and love the first game the most - perhaps I'll make a video explaining that position at some point.

[@Chaseneiz]

Totally agree! Prime 1 is amazing in itself, but I think the nostalgia factor makes us think it’s better than what it really is.

[@thebagg4553]

I’ve always thought prime 1 was the weakest of the 3, it’s too easy and magmor caverns just makes backtracking take too long. Also the elemental pirates in phazon mines are complete bullet sponges

[@the_door_opener2622]

Yo wait, you’re the pacing video guy? Nice, I remember liking that video a while ago. This vid on Corruption so far is good too! Subscribed, bro!

[@mr.snulch]

Heck yes I am - are you the door opening guy?! Hahah thanks for the sub dude 🤘

[@WeeG-bwc77]

Skytown is probably the most beautiful location in the Trilogy, and the Trilogy has the best art around.

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah it's easily in the top-3 areas. For me the most beautiful area in the series will always have to be the Tallon IV landing site. But Skytown is a close second, when I think about it. Phendrana is also up there somewhere! I'm thinking of one day doing a video where I tier-list the areas from across the trilogy, could be a cool idea 😂

[@firebirdstark]

5:06 but Metroid Other M exists and is not gritty. It’s a hand hold-y mess of a game. Making games accessible to everyone makes them special for no one. The product doesn’t need to cater to people to that degree, but it does have to align with sensibilities. The balance needs to equal to “not a failure.” We still get Metroid games from time to time. But we no longer get F-Zero, Viewtiful Joe, Chico-Robo, and so on

[@mr.snulch]

That's fair but my point is that I don't think Corruption over-did it with the accessibility. I still think it's a solid Metroid game, but I'm sure by making it a bit less obtuse some of those Wii owning kids got into the game. As for Other M - that game just sucks across the board.

[@Bluesine_R]

I think Prime 3 has some of the best hardest difficulty modes in the series. Hyper Mode is pretty overpowered on normal difficulty, but on the hardest difficulty Hyper Mode becomes a much more strategic tool and you have to use it pretty much at all times, let yourself to become corrupted to extend it further and manage your hp as best you can. Sadly there are a few tedious sections, like when you have to use the Nova Beam to destroy Ridley’s chest plate, which takes ages on the highest difficulty. Still, I think it’s one of the best difficulty modes in any Metroid game because of how strategic it becomes.

[@mr.snulch]

That's a good point I should have mentioned - the hardest difficulty is amazing. I agree that if you pop this game into hypermode, it's probably the most consistently "good" difficulty setting in the trilogy. You have to keep burning energy tanks to deal enough damage to survive some of the harder fights, especially the space pirate swarms on Elysia and Pirate Homeworld. It's unreal!

[@ulitol]

Agree. I think normal mode should have been the easy mode and hard mode the default one. I know this entry needed to be the one most accesible to the new "casual" audience, but they can't fall in love with a most "hardcore" (I hate this terms) game if they don't play it. BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH BETTER!!

[@Wario_Guy]

i feel like lots of people talk about how everyone hated the wii and its games, but i’ve literally never seen someone hate the wii much beyond like “oh, nsmb wii was a bad thing but i can’t get mad at it”

[@mr.snulch]

Haha true. Certain people didn't like the motion controls or the wiimote in general - I remember when playing Super Smash Bros Brawl, people made fun of me for using the wiimote instead of a gamecube controller. It had slightly weaker games than the gamecube for all of its main series, but I still think it was an incredible console and it had an awesome virtual store.

[@NL-X]

isk why it became so popular to hate over Wii when the console literally did amazingly on sells and the game catalog is amazing having games like Prime 3 or Mario Galaxy... like wth?

[@mr.snulch]

@@NL-Xi don’t so much think that it’s “popular” to hate on the wii, as there’s a very vocal minority of motion-controls-haters who trash the wii and had made a lot of noise about it

[@Cool-Vest]

It's mostly the shovelware and licensed games that gave it that reputation. I've played far too many games entirely controlled entirely by fine tilting movements. First-party games generally had a decent bit of quality control.

[@NL-X]

@@mr.snulch yeah that makes sense

[@saulozwald7691]

A very interesting perspective on the game have to go back and play the trilogy again to see how i feel about them now.

[@quadraxisdominator7364]

The world designs in MP3 are fucking amazing. My 10 year old self was blown away when I got the game. I'm curious to see what Retro will do after all these years and without alot of the original crew.

[@samd0ll018]

Another great analysis of perhaps the best game of our generation

[@treykrause9716]

Corruption was a very interesting game to play, especially in the beginning. I love seeing the different bounty hunters and the galactic federation. But I will say it doesn't have the original metroid feel of being alone on an alien planet, but it was still good.

[@mr.snulch]

I agree, which is why I prefer the first game. With that said though, you do get that classic lonely feeling as you explore Bryyo and especially Elysia. Like sure you check in with the Federation AI for guidance, but Samus is still on a one-woman solo mission, and both of these planets are quite abandoned and desolate, so the Metroid vibe is still there to an extent.

[@treykrause9716]

@mr.snulch yeah elysia is such a beautiful planet. You do have a point.

[@FreddyMontana69]

Just little things like being able to call the gunship from different parts of the map. It made the experience more immersive and is a pretty cool way to give more save rooms/ammo recharge rooms organically in a plot relevant way. I really hope they'll bring it back with a twist in a future game, because there is potential here.

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah the gunship stuff is unreal. It looks like they're bringing it back, and I'm all for it. I thought it was sick.

[@michaelkaduck1915]

The different worlds all throughout this game are so creative, and atmospheric. Just landing on and exploring Bryyo, or ziplining across Elysia is classic Metroid. Also, this is possibly the best use of the Wii's Motion Controls aside from Skyward Sword and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. It's so much fun, and much easier to play then the GameCube Controls. Plus Hypermode is so cool! Definitely hope that we see this game return to Switch, along with 2 in the Metroid Prime Remastered engine.

[@tomhank896]

Hell yeah, corruption has always been my favorite of the trilogy

[@Nigel222]

I know people didn't like how 3 had more npcs and whatnot that Samus could interact with but I actually liked that. I'd like if 4 did have other people working with Samus again on the planets she goes to.

[@lukalaly]

you get it man. echoes is probably my favorite but i havent replayed corruption since release, i should really change that. amazing video

[@coraf9682]

"I don't want this to balloon into an hour-long video," he says, as a clip plays of him using a morph ball bomb on the balloon bugs so they _can't_ float him to the top of the puzzle. 19:39 Prime 3 is my favorite Metroid, I would absolutely welcome an extended cut of this video with more praise!

[@mr.snulch]

@@coraf9682 what’s funny is, I’m a meticulous editor and like to make every single shot match up with what I’m saying, but that’s one of the few instances where I totally didn’t do that on purpose 😂 I just didn’t know what shot to put there. Now you have me wishing I had used a shot where they start to pull me up, then the bomb pops the balloons. That would have been so perfect!! And thanks so much! I try to keep my videos around the 30 min mark but may make some longer ones down the road, like a Metroid tier list or something

[@Anastasis1610]

Corruption is sick. I remember when I was a kid and I bought the trilogy and played the games in order and I ended up liking 3 more than 2. I think it was because after two games of similar backtracking exploration and structure, I welcomed the change of pacing design. The action is intense, the characters are awesome and the overall story makes the game seem grander in scale than 1&2 in terms of what Samus has to deal with.

[@Anastasis1610]

Screw this I’m going ham. The nova beam was absolutely amazing though i don't like how the beams stack in this game instead of being separate. The same goes with visors and beam combos as they're nowhere to be found. However, this was a compromise because of Hypermode, which is a unique mechanic exclusive to this game that adds a bit more depth to the combat. On easy mode, the gamble of using hylermode doesn't really work because you destroy everything instantly. Again, I welcomed the change, no point having more of the same for a third time in a row. Elysia is badass, the bosses are some of the best in the series and the motion controls were intuitive and easy to use, hence why they came to Prime 1&2 in the trilogy version. The visuals are stunning, Rundas has a dope boss theme and the ending of the game is epic and satisfying. Also if you go for 100% items (which i recommend) the game becomes a lot less linear as all planets have areas which become more accessible the more you progress, meaning that you can return to them later to explore even more. They fixed the Artifact issue because now you don't need to get all Valhalla power cores and im pretty sure the game tells you early on that you should be on the lookout for them. In 1&2 the artifacts and sky temple keys are like an optional collectable because the room where you learn about them is kind if out of the way. So yeah, prime 3 is absolutely amazing and people have definitely been very nit-picky with it 😂😂

[@mr.snulch]

@@Anastasis1610 I agree with just about all of this haha, couldn't have said it better myself. That's actually a good point that I should have mentioned in the first section - while the game is more linear, that's just if you're going through the story. But if you want to go and 100% it, going back through all the planets with full upgrades to find all those hidden energy tanks and whatnot is classic non-linearity. I do agree for sure that this game could have benefited from some more visors / beams and combo weapons, definitely a missing point. But all in all, yeah I feel the same way that it's better than 2 because it changes things up.

[@xuto2693]

Echoes is my favorite of the 3, but corruption remains one of my favorite games to play. You made a lot of good points here, and corruption nails the vibe and sense of place with it's experience. Also yes, the nova beam is peak. Basically because it's pretty much just the OG plasma beam the way the plasma beam is supposed to plasma beam.

[@mr.snulch]

Echoes slaps in its own way and I get why it's many players' favourite, but I'm glad you also vibe with Corruption! And yeah that's a really good point I almost wish I had mentioned it myself - the Nova Beam really is the closest thing to the Super Metroid plasma beam. It has that same rippling, high-damage vibe. It's just the sexiest beam of all time.

[@civilwarfare101]

This whole "true or not true game in x series" shit is why I really dislike internet fandom discussion. The same beats get told over and over again, "franchise has to change with the times or it will die" or "series would get boring if it was the same game" yet there are so many people who view these franchises like a religion who think staying "true" to a series is more important than being a good game on it's own. If the game sucks and on top of not "staying true" to a series sure, bash the game all your scorn but if it's good, who cares? Like why does it even matter? If you want to be religious go find an actual religion. As for this game, I do recall liking it, sure it might not be like past games but we already had two whole games where you explored one planet and after how tedious the backtracking was in Echoes, the more "linear" design I didn't mind. Plus Corruption felt like a weird combination of Half Life with it's puzzle solving and action with Ratchet and Clank with Samus' ship and the planet hopping, can't recall many games even doing what MP3 did even now. I also remember back when MP3 came out that it was a celebrated game and game critics especially loved it but I guess the people who grew up with MP2 have to vocally call Prime 3 "bad". I would try to address the actual points made in the vids but it's been almost 10 years since I played the game. Games were also getting easier in the early 00s on the mainstream side if Metal Gear Solid 2 and Silent Hill 2 are anything to go by.

[@mr.snulch]

Well said - if we were going to be stubborn about what makes a game "true" to its series, we would never have bangers like Resident Evil 4 or Zelda Breathe of the Wild, both of which deviated from what the series had been doing for the previous decade. We allow other franchises to experiment with different approaches, so why does Metroid have to essentially make the same "Metroidvania" game formula over and over with every release? I for one have no problem with the occasional linear and story-driven Metroid... as along as it's GOOD. Which Corruption and Fusion absolutely are.

[@civilwarfare101]

@@mr.snulch That's always been my big issue with the Metroid fandom. It's basically, "be like Super Metroid or GTFO". Not even acknowledging the fact that not everyone who played Super grew up with it and is even going to enjoy it but don't tell Metroid fans you don't like SM very much, they won't be able to sleep at night.

[@barbaraziviani9123]

​@@mr.snulchdude, i am a HUGE Metroid nerd, and i can't stand this mentality of the Metroid fandom. God forbid if Prime 4 tries for something more cinematic and story focused, or if it ever introduces a multiplayer, cuz "Uhh, metroid is supposed to focus on isolation 🤓☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻"

[@mr.snulch]

@@barbaraziviani9123 Holy SMOKES I never even considered that Prime 4 might have multiplayer. If it brings back multiplayer, even if it's just those 4p free for alls like Echoes, I will drop to my knees and weep tears of pure joy. That would be downright amazing I don't care what the purists say 😁

[@barbaraziviani9123]

@@mr.snulch The possibility of having multiplayer is quite large, considering that a good part of the employees and artists working on the game came from other franchises with multiplayer. That and one of the hired background artists has a lot of experience with multiplayer maps... So, I hope Prime 4 comes out with multiplayer, I didn't have the opportunity to play Prime Hunters at the time it came out 🥺

[@Y0uTubeCommentPoster]

As someone who prefers Fusion and Dread to Super Metroid, I have sympathy for your plight.

[@mr.snulch]

Honestly, and at the grave risk of losing a few subscribers who might see this.... I agree 😂 Super Metroid is the most important game in the series as it established the formula and inspired so many games to come. I think it's a game every gamer should play at some point. But Fusion and Dread are both more fun across the board and I would replay either of those over Super any day.

[@lpfan4491]

I love Fusion to bits and did since childhood. I don't feel particularly drawn to dread tho. I'd rather play Fusion and Samus returns individually again rather than a weird mush of the two.

[@mr.snulch]

@@lpfan4491 I agree Dread doesn't have as good of an atmosphere and "Metroid feeling" as Fusion or Super, but it does have by far the tightest gameplay in the series.

[@unbrokenzebra8192]

I adore this game! This is no joke, not only my favorite game in the prime trilogy, but my favorite Metroid game period. So happy to see some love for it!

[@solomon9655]

Prime 2 does so much right on paper but I never feel the desire to return to it. Prime 3 does so much wrong on paper but for some reason it's my most replayed in the trilogy.

[@mr.snulch]

That's perfectly eloquently said haha - my thoughts exactly. It's just... more fun. Better, dare I say.

[@trashaimgamer7822]

Out of all Prime games, 2 has the most hidden tricks and strategies. I think it is worth revisiting.

[@FAI_CW]

Aside from Tallon Overworld 2, Bryyo's theme is my favourite. It reminds me of Age of Empires or the older Tomb Raider games. Love it. Visually I have to say I like the Pirate's Homeworld the most. The acid rain and the colors are awesome. I'm glad to see so many people here share my love for this game.

[@Derpalon]

I agree with your take that Corruption is the second best of the trilogy, once again for many of the reasons you outlined here. I appreciate that the new motion controls added some much-needed depth to the combat beyond just locking on and mashing shoot, even if the hyperbeam mode somewhat undermines it. And the environmental designs far and away blow Echoes out of the water as far as I'm concerned. The series needed to better emphasize the shooting quite frankly if it's gonna keep doubling down on the first person perspective, because you just can't do platforming very well from that angle anyways so this is one of the few other things you can meaningfully iterate on. While I still don't think it's enough to stop me from just going off to play Halo or Half-Life 2 instead, it's a step in the right direction. Also, I love all of the dumb motion control gimmicks. Metroid fans want to talk about immersion? I say being able to hop directly into Samus' gunship and push random buttons for no reason adds to the immersion and we need more of it.

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah when it comes to environments and graphics or whatnot, Corruption is an easy win here. And yeah that's a great point - interfacing with the gunship and seeing all the controls and stuff is so immersive, I think it really adds to the experience. I for one am happy that the gunship is coming back in the next game! I'm hoping they find a way to integrate some tighter platforming and movement into it as well, I agree that is definitely an area where they can improve from the OG trilogy.

[@vipervio123]

As someone who greatly prefers Prime 2 over Prime 1 and 3 I definitely think 3 has a better atmosphere than 2 for sure. Valhalla and Skytown in particular are some truly standout areas. I never took issue with the more direct story, the game has some of the coolest shit you can do in a Metroid game, like dropping a nuke that you built, or spearheading an alien invasion. I ultimately still prefer the sheer challenge of Prime 2, and in general a lot of what 2 does appeals to me more and more on repeat playthroughs than 3. To be quite honest, Prime 2's kind of like Dread to me. The game that, while it doesn't have the best atmosphere relative to other games, does provide a lot of cool, nail-biting challenge. I'm curious how you rank this series as a whole, would love to hear like, your full unfiltered thoughts on this franchise cuz I'm a huge fan.

[@NtcPedroPeterNews]

Awesome video, man!

[@mr.snulch]

Thanks so much dude! I just wish I could make them faster lol, each video takes me forever to make but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

[@CharlesFerraro]

Corruption is literally my favorite 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@fluffy_tail4365]

Some people that never touched the console took the complainsts we had about waggle inputs and thought the pointer of the wii was bad for some reason. Meanwhile IMHO that thing is closer to mouse precision than modern gyro, as gyro you kind of have to steer the controller coordinating both hands while with a split setup you just...point like with a mice. Also yeah MP3 slaps, the environments alone fix up the missing exploration, it was some variety.

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah, and then Wii Motion Plus made it even better. Not quite the sheer precision as a mouse, but definitely better than dual analog for aiming. Not to mention, it's just fun haha.

[@TheMetroidMusicChannel]

Cool video! :)

[@MrRukrio1]

to add my own two cents on Metroid Prime 4 possibly having some of the best combat, it's no secret Retro has been hiring people *specifically* for such. like apparently they've pulled in some ex-devs from FPS greats and a part of me is very, VERY interested as to where their influence on MP4 pulls up, and the possibility of the return of Metroid Prime Hunters/Quake-but-Metroid style multiplayer. for those that don't know what i mean in referencing Quake, Quake is basically the father to modern FPS as we know it, if Doom was it's Grandfather. most importantly however, Quake multiplayer is honed on both combat mastery of the assorted arsenal, and exploration mixed with map knowledge to grab all the weapons and powerups as soon as one can. if that sounds a lot like a distillation of Metroid Prime at it's finest while being suitable for quick games with the friends, you'd probably love the prodigal child on the DS that is Hunters, where Sylux debuted in, or more specifically it's multiplayer. singleplayer isn't the best on it, but it's still a serviceable entry in the series, and still played to this day via emulation.

[@Natedog15000]

I find it funny that my comment made it into the hostile section instead of the constructive criticism section.

[@mr.snulch]

Oh sh** sorry dude. I realize you're not actually calling me an insincere whining jerk, your saying that's the way it comes off if I cherry-pick footage. My bad, I read that wrong and realize you weren't intending for it to be hostile. Come to think of it, it's only the middle comment that's actually "hostile". The point I'm making there is that I understand why some viewers were unhappy with my Echoes video because I come down on it somewhat harder than I intended, as if though I hate the game. Your comment was definitely constructive and I do plan to be more careful with my tone and footage, especially when criticizing something. Learned my lesson 😅

[@Natedog15000]

@ it’s good. You never know how people will read your comment. I genuinely found it more funny than anything though so I’m not offended.

[@adrianrenard1262]

I completely agree with you on echoes, prime 2 is nothing but the same but different, didnt do much innovation and while I do love Dark Samus and the Luminoth the game didn't do enough to be different or better than 1, I haven't seen many people who think echoes is better than 1 if all I see it as a safe sequel. corruption on the other hand decided to do far more and while I do dislike some things about it, I found it more unique and memorable than Echoes, at this point I have played Prime 1 about 30+ times, Echoes close to 30 and corruption 4 times but I still remember from beginning to end Prime 1 and 3 step by step while I still forget little things in 2 and find more uuggh moments in it than the other ones Dont like hunters, should be remade.

[@mr.snulch]

That's a good point, Echoes I find a lot more forgettable. Agon Wastes is the weakest area in the series, I barely remember it despite playing through it like 10 times. Sanctuary slaps though, gotta give Echoes that.

[@GBDupree]

I'm someone who ranks 3 last, but not for any of the reasons mentioned in this video. I actually do like the tone of the game being more actiony and epic with lots of set-pieces. The fact its so unique helps it more than hurts it simply because its linearity is more obvious than previous games. I want to also make it clear that ALL of the prime games are linear, not just 3. Prime 1 only ever allows progress to go in a specific order without deviation except for 2 moments. You can skip the Charge beam up until you get Super Missiles, but then you still have to have them to progress so there is NO point in skipping them when they are right next to the path to Bombs early in the game, so you are actively wasting time skipping them. You can also get the Grapple Beam or the X-ray visor one before the other (so you can grab the X-ray first, then the Grapple, or vice versa). BUT you can't get either one earlier than that, and must get both in order to make progress, rendering the choice meaningless. The only other thing in Prime 1 and 2 that would be non-linear is the final key hunt. But that's just re-exploring previous areas for padding so its not really fun exploration outside of the first playthrough. 3 is just as linear, but it doesn't hide it as well as the first 2 with their maze-like worlds. You go to planet 1 and explore A to B, then go to planet 2 to explore A but then going back to Planet 1 to explore C. Then back to Planet 2 to Explore B but then you go to Planet 3 to go to A but then have to go back to 2 to go to C to go to 3 B, then 4 A back to 3 C and so on. So you can see the pattern, take 1 step into this brand new world only to hit a brick wall that forces you back to the previous world to 100% it before getting to explore the rest of the new world, except for 1 small section that you can't do until you reach the newer world and hit its brick wall. This gets a bit annoying because of being forced to use your ship so much which is just a loading screen. If there was a way to explore C BEFORE heading to planet 2 it would save SO much time while changing nothing about the experience. Because 1 and 2 try to hide their linearity with complex maze-like worlds, this actually makes them less linear when you do randomizers, so that's cool. So they COULD have been non-linear but they just didn't let you. But 3 just can't be non-linear unfortunately (or at least, it can't be in any meaningful way). This makes it harder to go back to 3 and enjoy it for its exploration because its so samey. I also think the item balancing is the worst in 3. Prime did good with it because all the upgrades were useful and the expansions were usable because Missiles had various ways to use up quickly making having more of them actually useful. You can Shoot missiles quickly and the beam combos are useful and eat through missiles, so all the expansions feel important. The Health Tanks are the least useful as Prime isn't the hardest but are still really good to have, so Prime has the best balance by far. Prime 2 nerfed missiles unbelieveably, making them slower to use while also removing the speed trick from 1. The Beam combos were worthless and out of the way, and were so slow that you really couldn't go through a lot of missiles. So Missile expansions were mostly worthless past 30 total missiles. But the Beam Ammo upgrades were at least useful, though the beam ammo system isn't the best so they feel like bandaids rather than powerups. Though the increased difficulty made the Health Tanks even more useful. But Prime 3 had the same problem of not needing missile expansions, but even worse as the missiles are at their worst in 3 and are so slow that you'd never need more than 20 throughout the game. The Health expansions are still good thanks to the Phazon beam, but proper use of it makes it to where you don't need more than 1 or 2 extra tanks to destroy every enemy. But the worst part is that the expansions are almost entirely those 2 types with not much else. You can get the Phazon Missiles, but I genuinely don't know what use they have as they do so little they are functionally worthless. And the Ship missiles are LITERALLY useless (that isn't an exaggeration either), there are only a few predetermined spots you can use ship missiles once each, and so you'd only ever need about 4 total, and everytime you use 1 you are guaranteed to get a refill in the next crate you blow up. So you are NEVER without ship missiles by the next time you need them. So the expansions genuinely do nothing to help you and you can't even use them up to pretend they are useful. And that's it, there are no other optional, exploration rewarding, items. So all the extras feel like padding where the real reward is just figuring out how to get them, they could just be tokens and nothing changes. This really compounds with the linear level design to really make 3 feel lesser than the other games, or less fun to replay from an exploration standpoint. and THAT is the reason that the combat and setpieces and action save the game. I really wish someone would rebalance some things so that the expansions feel more useful, that would really fix a lot. I really like the game, but I find the others more replayable for those reasons, but the combat and atmosphere in 3 is really good, I just wish the level design was more engaging and exploration more rewarding. So if 4 is just 3's combat but with a more exploration focused game, then that'd be the best possible game. Though I genuinely hope they can make it non-linear in ways the trilogy never did. Even if its hidden ways to do things out of order in an otherwise seemingly linear world, like with Zero Mission or Dread. Sorry for the long post, hopefully it didn't feel rant-y, and thank you for reading all of it!

[@loveanimals8389]

Flaws?! It's a masterpiece 🥰❤️

[@Asher-e6l]

I completely agree. I think all the hate is just from purists who can't accept that change is inevitable. Corruption did what it wanted to do, amazingly.

[@Thunderloins]

HE’S BACK

[@Ludi0tik]

After 3 nearly perfect games Beyond better not disappoint, which is easier said than done but i trust Retro, they never miss. Great analysis, i think Corruption is the most accessible of the 3 and the one with the best pace and upgrades but i cant bring to put it before Echoes. It feel nearly too easy and straight to the point and you dont really need to think about the levels. It might have to do with the single planet setting we are used to play in the rest of the serie that feel easy to remember and more immersive.

[@mr.snulch]

That's totally fair, it is very straight-forward and Echoes rewards you more for exploring and looking around. I just love the gameplay and atmosphere so much that it just grabs me more than Echoes, especially when I revisit it. I have some quibblers with Echoes that hold it under Corruption in my book, but it's definitely a classic matter of taste.

[@ManlyBog6448]

Thank you for making this! Prime 3 is one of my favorites I had built a pretty sick Lego arm cannon that I could stick my wiimote and hand in super cool memories! Also Bryyo and its Pounds and pounds of beef is one of my favorite areas in all of metroid! But all my opinions are irrelevant because I'm a hot take "I actually really love other M" kinda guy lol

[@tacdragzag7464]

I'm glad people can see merit in this game... I love each Prime game for its own charme but dayum, it felt like Metroid Prime was made for Prime 3's controls... When I got it afte ryears of replaying the first 2 I was so blown away... I never encountered most of the things other complained about... Heck, this game evolved the lore the scope and so much more at the same time My only issue really was that the Hyper mode gimmick felt... "Undercooked" like it needed some added polish to work... But there is so much I loved all the way through, Like yes the intro especially takes a lot of things from Halo CE tbh but... Noneof that mattered... There was so much fun to be had.

[@jotapeguarnieri]

I've only ever played 3, but I loved it back then. I need to play the rest of the trilogy (and 3 again) before 4 releases!

[@mr.snulch]

Get in there!!!

[@ulitol]

Really nice video! I still consider 2>1>3 but the Metroid core is made by different aspects that can vary on each entry and be more or less interesting for each player, as you say in the video. And Prime 3 is still a GREAT game that somehow is not forgotten like Echoes, is hated for opinions that have been taken as thuth (like the "hate" for Pokémon's gen 5)

[@mr.snulch]

I agree, it depends on what aspect of the series appeals to you! And Gen 5 might be my favourite pokemon generation (after gen 1 of course) - although in my opinion, the series went downhill from there.

[@Plingdom]

Echoes > prime 1 > corruption and it isn’t even close in my opinion. Im going to finish this vid then I’ll need to go watch the other video you made on echoes, because ranking that one the worst of the three is a wild take lol

[@Plingdom]

After watching the video: my single biggest gripe with corruption has to be the disconnected feeling of the worlds. I love prime 1 and echoes for that feeling of discovery as you see how the world is interconnected and finding shortcuts between zones. Needing to take your gunship from planet to planet really took me out of it in corruption. This was just the fashion at the time because they did a similar thing with the legend of Zelda skyward sword though thinking about it. Also, navigating the planets themselves was annoying at times (looking at the city in the sky…). Sure the rails were fun the first time and the aesthetic was cool, but on repeat visits I was not a fan. Now to see the echoes video!

[@Plingdom]

Also, the hyper beam stuff didn’t feel that well executed to me, and the beam stacking also was a negative. Instead of feeling like you get a new tool, it just felt like getting a power boost. Instead of having to switch between a hammer, screw driver, or wrench to suit the situation just pulling out a hammer every time took away a lot of nuance for me. But after watching this there are some interesting perspectives I didn’t consider. My rankings between the games definitely still hasn’t changed though

[@mr.snulch]

Mad respect to you for sitting through not one but two videos you hard-disagree with instead of just smashing dislike - that shit takes character 😂 The multiple planets is definitely disjointed and I agree that on paper I think each game should stick to one planet and hope Beyond does too. But Corruption made its planets so damn interesting that they just clicked for me. Aether is more detailed but it never quite grabbed me as much as Bryyo or Elysia, so I'd put it in 4th place (Talon IV is my #1). As for your second point I think hyper beam was sort of overdone, especially in the late game where every single enemy uses it, I could have pointed that out. I enjoy hypermode but it could have been handled more gracefully. I personally like beam stacking in these games because it just makes each blast feel all the more saucy, but I agree that's totally up for debate and having multiple tools can lead to more complexity in the gameplay. My Echoes video comes off as more harsh than I intended but feel free to give it a whack haha, I still stand by all my points 😎

[@normbreakingclown676]

Metroid 3 is my favorite and i like the story beats of the game which makes it more interesting to play through i mean the other two prime games where never that non-linear. I can't recall other than the jump upgrade glitch which is patched where i was allowed to chose my order of exploring the areas. 09:02 Yeah ditto here..

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah exactly, I would argue that all Metroid games are fairly linear, they give the illusion of exploration but there's usually a clear path to follow. And yeah, controls really depend on the game :)

[@JJWong22]

WELCOME BACK 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@robertkenny1201]

I feel the same way about Metroid Samus Returns.

[@DarkBlade6690]

I hate picking between the mainline Prime titles they each hold a special place in my heart, and I would gladly pick up the sticks for another mission with the fabled bounty hunter herself. I look forward to Prime4 and hope they've brought justice to the franchise 🙏

[@TheFps12]

Prime 1 is top in every category for me. I like the plot/world of 3 over 2 I like the difficulty of 2 and music over 3. But the more "casual" progression/difficulty of 3 is just a smoother experience than the TONS of backtracking and the key hunting in 2 which can be really time consuming and frustrating. 2s bosses were better than 3s. I have more nostalgia for 2 as I had the prime copy that included a demo disc of 2. I'm torn on which I would rank 2nd/3rd Also, IMO...Elysia..too much credit. I think its one of the weakest locations in the series. I hope after 3 games, they manage to refine the "Prime" formula even further with 4 to make another masterpiece like Prime 1.

[@mr.snulch]

@@TheFps12 i agree with most of this! Hard agree that Prime 1 is the best across the board. Hard disagree about Elysia, it’s in my top 3 areas easily. Everything else I more or less agree with haha, and yeah I’m hoping with the 4th game they really take the time to determine the best elements of each game, and refine it into the best one yet.

[@urbiznesnunuv6938]

Prime 2 and 3 are apples to oranges kinda sequels. One I appreciate the commitment to a central theme by having the world literally be dying and thus the boring design would reflect that but it taints a first playthrough Prime 3 although it’s got its issues I love for its commitment to the space opera vibe- and it plays like nothing else to the point the previous two were remade with prime 3’s controls in mind It’s great and I’m tired of pretending that it’s not

[@mr.snulch]

Yeah exactly, they take polar different approaches, but they still both feel like they fit right into the trilogy. I agree that the bleak atmosphere of Echoes makes sense given the narrative, I would never say it was a "bad" decision. The game just gets a bit repetitive for me, but it makes sense why others would like it more than the space opera vibe of 3. Both great games.

[@Applemangh]

I have tons of respect for Corruption. It's absolutely a "good game", it's just not exactly what I want it to be. But at the end of the day, it's not really more linear than Prime 1&2. Barring convoluted glitches, you're still getting all the major upgrades in a fixed order. I'd love to see a Prime style game with the openness and sequence breaking potential of Super, Zero Mission, or Dread.

[@wasdwazd]

I agree with you completely. Prime 3 is just the coolest game in the trilogy, though it's not quite as good as the first, and Prime 2 was... yeah, weak. Especially in the department of the world design. Prime 2 starts impressive, but just gets boring until you finally reach Sanctuary Fortress and FINALLY get a new suit and beam.

[@mr.snulch]

@@wasdwazd EXACTLY. Once you hit Sanctuary it picks up again and gets pretty damn sweet, but there’s a good 5-8 hours of playtime in the body of that game where you’re just trudging around in the dark world doing a lot of repetitive busywork and getting a bunch of upgrades from the first game. I also personally can’t stand the annihilator beam I go on a whole rant about that in my other video. After all that time you finally get another beam and it’s awful haha. But the Light Suit is awesome.

[@Leonkennedy19992]

Favorite metroid game for me.

[@SerathDarklands]

I got the Dolphin emulator running a month or so ago, and I started playing through Prime 1. Prime 2 will be next, but I'm not going to play Prime 3, simply because the fucker requires motion controls, and I'm not paying for a Wiimote or whatever other nonsense.

[@mr.snulch]

I love the motion controls but I see what you mean, there isn't really an easy way to emulate this game. Hopefully they remaster it on the Switch / Switch 2.

[@SerathDarklands]

@@mr.snulch I mean, Dolphin CAN emulate Wii games. I've played through the GoldenEye remake on it, and the game can actually connect wirelessly to the Wiimote and nunchuck, but I never had a Wii, so I don't have one to use, and I don't want to buy one.

[@barbaraziviani9123]

just use primehack, its a version of dolphin that emulates the motion controls perfectrly, u just need to push one button and it does all of the motion controls for u

[@joelsytairo6338]

5:45… EXACTLT. Same with skyward sword. That term is so overused

[@TurKlack]

Ok. Let me write down a list. The first Metroid Prime (MP) is regarded as the best. I don't see why. I had my fun with it, no doubt, enjoying scanning the games environment. But I think I have only replayed it once, and only to complete the Scan Archive. Metroid Prime 2 was a lot better both in Worldbuilding and gameplay. It didn't rely on the old 2D tropes, but it sold less than it's predecessor. Which I think is a shame. MP3 is my favorite game. I replayed it the most, the different Worlds are unique in their own right, the first real glimpse of what the Federation looks like and how they operate, a story you are a part of, new Characters to enjoy, best looking Pirates so far, Phaaze, etc. Granted I found that the Scan Entries are not as interesting anymore as in previous games, but I still enjoy reading it all. Never understood the complaints about the motion control minigames. I never had an issue with them and they never pulled me out of the game as some people described it. In the end however I had a lot of fun with all games. And if the MP4 trailer is anything to go by than it will play along and improve on Metroid Prime 3.

[@smellybondoape]

Never thought corruption being a "bastardization" was the general concensus. From what I've seen, most fans love all 3 games. It has a lot of similar complaints as Metroid Fusion, but they're still fantastic games and loved. because they still maintain core metroid elements with having a good atmosphere and still having at least a bit of exploration. Other M on the other hand... I will also admit, there's some purist fans out there who only like the original NES game and super and don't like ANY change to gameplay

[@sheanstanks]

Yo remind me to come back to this later

[@aperson539]

Prime 2 is the best Metroid game ever made idc what anyone says

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

Agree

[@dis_inferno9173]

Bad game

[@EduardoFlores-bt4fo]

@dis_inferno9173 okay child

[@mr.snulch]

I find that it's sort of a 50/50 split of people who consider it the best game in the trilogy, and people who consider it the worst. It's not too often that you see somebody who ranks the games 1, 2, 3 or 3, 2, 1 haha! Echoes has a very distinctive dark atmosphere and some interesting ideas with the beam ammo and dark world / light world that you either love or you don't. I've cranked that game countless times and get why people gravitate towards it, I just prefer the brighter tone and upgrades / weapons in the other two games, and always felt Echoes could have done certain things differently. But to each their own no worries lol!

[@RaurosGreyed]

the game did not do the feeling and themes of isolation, being lost on an alien planet, very much. there were of course characters, a lot more than ever before so it would be different. beams tacking was also a bit boring. space pirate enemies had tons of armour/health.

[@user-sz9vf4jt5m]

Metroid Prime: Perfection Metroid Prime 2: Perfection but the portals Metroid Prime 3:Perfection but better Metroid Prime 4: Perfection but the First logo was better

[@SSJ3MetaridleyXros]

Prime 3s flaws: - way too easy - anticlimactic ending after the build up dark samus in prime 2 - beam mechanics from prime 1+2 (and hunters) got removed like beam combos and switching of beams - no real build up to the hunters in prime 3, i couldn't care less when i killed them in the story. - shorttrimmed visor system, ship visor is basically useless, u use it only 2-3x times ingame -rockets are super fat and ugly and the smoke stream blocks your view for a few seconds

[@Blockvard]

Echoes is fun but Corruption is fantastic. Really loved that your abilities built on each other than that you had to switch beams constantly etc. Motion controls just makes it more immersive for me

[@spacefacecadet]

I'm not mad about your prime opinions but i am kinda mad you said "without further adiue"

[@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569]

I wholeheartedly agree. Metroid Prime 3 is the most underrated Metroid game in my mind. It’s so damn good. The lore is my favorite, the planets are so good compared to the brown and purple environments of Prime 2. The gameplay is crisp and the bosses are my favorite. It’s really thanks to this game and the first Prime that I prefer 3D Metroid to 2D Metroid. (Echoes isn’t that good in my opinion but I respect what it tried to do.) Prime 3 gets criticized for being linear but I love that it’s actually very interesting to play. Prime 2 may not be as linear but it’s way more formulaic and boring in my opinion. Each place looks the same (outside of the last one which is goated) and is about finding keys, then fighting a boss, then meeting a dead Luminoth and taking energy then repeating that. When I was on Bryyo, I was afraid that each Leviathan would feel the same but thankfully no. You do many varied tasks like building a nuclear weapon, attacking with the Federation and disabling the force field to make it all worth it and memorable. Phaaze is also incredible as a final location though I wish we could have gotten an epic escape sequence.

[@mr.snulch]

I totally agree with that take. It's interesting because even though Echoes "allows you to explore", it ends up being more formulaic because you just go to an area, then go to the dark world, then fight a boss. It's not really that special in its design, while Corruption keeps the ideas pumping top to bottom. You approach each seed in a different way which is sick.

[@StrutTower]

You didn't list hypermode as a negative? Hypermode is what ruins this game for me. When your exploring and every room you walk into the enemies go into hypermode and your only option is to also go into hypermode completely breaks the pace of the game. Hypermode should have been left out of the game or limited to the final area of the game.

[@mr.snulch]

That's actually a good point I sort of agree with you there. On my early runs through the game when enemies did that, I didn't want to burn an energy tank so I would just shoot them forever until they died. More recently I figured out that the whole point is that you're supposed to go hypermode to deal with them, and I think it is a cool concept but it's DEFINITELY overdone, especially on the Pirate Homeworld. It should be a rare occurence, not a constant pain in the ass haha. Not quite bad enough to ruin the game for me by any stretch, and definitely not as bad as fighting the Hunter Ing in Echoes, but yeah it does get pretty tedious for sure.

[@firebirdstark]

Echoes is still better 🤷‍♂️

[@dis_inferno9173]

Echoes isn't good game.

[@mr.snulch]

Ohohoo, shots fired!

[@Ludi0tik]

yes it isn't good. Its great 😶‍🌫

[@axelkusanagi4139]

Hey, lock it up. I loved Echoes