why i Love Prismatic Hunter in PvP

[@cammycakesgaming]

to no one's surprise majority of comments are venting about oppressive Prism hunters. **Obviously I don't like that balancing scheme.** Did you even watch the video?

[@cammycakesgaming]

any discussion on OP this, oppressive that... is a comparison. Not that I agree with the specific balancing scheme, but devil's advocate take: maybe they’d argue that prism hunter wouldn’t be OP at all if bungie never nerfed launch stasis, Titan skating, double icarus dash, omnioculus, etc. Again, a reminder… I still prefer launch Destiny 2 balancing scheme. Imo PvP is fun when primaries are primary.

[@majora919]

Real ones remember when cammy said he doesn't like hunters

[@k3l3v-ra90]

video was good, just ill timed, ib has really forced the playstyle on people. i for one, love of the wild creativity you can do with hunter, theres a lot of things that you can fire off one after another to achieve a wild power fantasy. thats one reason solar warlock is wild and fun. you can get a good flow going where your abilities can compliment the movement and proc something that synergizes. which is why i was a behemoth main until they made the slide changes plus prismatic is somewhat of a better stasis now with knockout lance. now im struggling to find something in titan that fired off those neurons old behemoth did. been mixing and matching things to see what i can find, but nothing just yet. but on hunter bakris + spectre, tether, blink is insanely fun.

[@christopherbrownington]

Your enjoyment of the game due to the execution of prismatic hunter and its neutral game is great, but with hunters specifically having access their best aspects across all 5 subclasses + exotic class items + them making up the most of the player base it pretty much makes any discussion about hunters automatically negative. They need to either give warlocks/titans better neutral aspects/abilities or nerf/remove certain combos for hunters. I hope they do the former.

[@verybadlyburneddd]

I think Prismatic is kind of unique because the possibility space for nerfs seems limited. So much of the kit is inherently tied to one button and one cooldown - dodge is an evade, a slow, a clone, a second melee, invis on the back-end, etc. Which you can combine with multiple dodge charges and Inmost Light, and then multiply by every player running it. I absolutely love the skill ceiling and wild stuff that you can do, but 90% of the potency is much dumber. I really don't see them actually replacing any of individual parts of the kit, and any foundational/structural changes will be reigned in by both the base subclasses AND PvE. So we're kind of left with the possibility of... cooldown and damage value changes, which don't seem like they really cover it. Maybe just a lack of imagination on my part, but I think Bungie have kind of cornered themselves with this one

[@Youngboyadept]

If you hit ascension right before your grapple ends, you get a crazy burst of momentum which is very fun for clips.

[@iiozzyii]

or blink

[@void_snw]

its not that you gain momentum, its that you get to keep it out of the grapple!

[@handsomeDRAC]

Blink with the momentum of strand then use asension

[@BirdMoose]

I love building in PvP around what makes for the coolest clip rather than what is the most effective tactics, because even if it only works 10% of the time the dopamine of hitting that clip kill is 100x greater than a basic kill.

[@Promisent]

I gotchu with this montage including that combo 😙🤔

[@gothiclb]

i stg every single gunfight i get into involves a swarm nade, a smoke bomb, and a clone being thrown at me. somethings gotta get tuned back because its honestly too much

[@ned9542]

They're looking into a nerf soon

[@steveheist6426]

​@@ned9542"Soon", like Stasis Hunter soon or oops-Titan-found-a-build soon?

[@millionstabs6891]

He's right you do get a lot of hate with final warning and its always from people with meta in every slot. I've noticed even their transmogs are the same, red war gear with superblack, warlock trials helmet etc. Its like their fit reflects their loadout just a lack of creativity.

[@Fallen-Saint]

damn reket lol

[@MrDrapichrust]

For me the biggest highlight has probably been the class item. The option to have a good handling in neutral on any class thanks to Ophidians made me try many new guns/options.

[@Ballsackeruuuuuu]

I can finally use my felwinters on other classes than warlock again

[@wy100101]

literally the main thing that has kept me exclusively on prism hunter. I'm not using threaded specter, and I switch off smoke for threaded spike plenty. I'm not even using the new super except when I needed arc super kills for IB. I would probably bounce around classes, but having Ophidians on hunter is so nice that I can't let it go.

[@muddcatt1340]

Cammy man, after a weekend of iron banner, and as a warlock on the team, 85% of my games were a majority of hunters with 3 or more on my team with Titans basically being a unicorn lmao. Being able to dodge, place a clone, heal, get the melee back, and go invis is just insanely frustrating. Hunters just throw out everything in their pocket like Moon Knight with, "Random Bullshit, go!" With enough Prism Hunters, the game goes from annoying to oppressive. Its just not fun to play against a clone and smoke bomb literally every other fight lmao

[@ned9542]

This 100%

[@FancySouthernCat]

To add to that, radar manipulation is fine when it can be one or two things extra you have to think about. But to have worry about clones, smokes and skulking wolf, stylish executioner all at the same time from 75% of the enemy team is a bit much.

[@MountainSmell]

Don't forget about when supers come up in IB and its 4+ storm's edges being cast back to back and you're in and out of the spawn screen from hunters teleporting on you with instant death tornados.

[@thealldayspecial]

While the more viable weapon and class options and balancing I'd say totally keeps things from feeling completely unplayable, the current situation gives me vibes back to peak Shatterdive, Arc Week 2019 buffed Bottom Striker(+ broken exotics), Spec Blade Hunter, original broken Nova Warp lock, etc. That being said 3's doesn't feel as awful but 6's is absolutely garbage at this point and I want the bags of crack the 2 whole Bungie pvp employees are smoking with consciously making Storm's Edge able to run as many scams as it can because again it's like when you used to go light speed on Nova Warp, have very little expenditure of super on blasts, and could tag people through hard solid objects like thick walls. There's very few ways to escape it and even other supers throwing everything but kitchen sink can still get destroyed.

[@zakarysantana2635]

boohoo i bet you main osiomancy or bubble titan and wouldnt push without os or a freeze

[@meatball5598]

With your comment of not learning the harder items, thats why i've taken it upon myself and started using Final warning

[@Ikogeki]

Grapple, to blink, to grapple melee, to mask of bakris with smoke and threaded specter and winter shroud. That and using khepri sting with grapple one shots you can get stylish executioner off it. Just a few things I found in my own prism experimentation.

[@miller8886]

Khepri's sting activates on a grapple melee?

[@renzodaihannya8644]

I’ve found that Khepri’s doesn’t one shot all the time.

[@Ikogeki]

Yes it does ​@@miller8886

[@inasty16]

Spirit of synthos works on grapple melee, quite devastating if you can pull it off

[@bk2932]

Absolutely trash. May as well get rid of the guns

[@nickabstract6774]

i don’t know why they threw checkmate in the trash for 6v6 is was a better system than whatever we have now

[@groundwater9120]

It was better for high level players, but they explained why it wasn't sustainable in a twab a few weeks/months ago. Good players were getting something like 5x the special compared to noobs, which is just not sustainable. It also made non-shotgun specials completely irrelevant. I liked it more, but that wasn't ideal for most players and it was never going to work long term.

[@Ballsackeruuuuuu]

@@groundwater9120I hated checkmate I don’t understand people wanting to almost eliminate a key part of destiny 2’s identity

[@lollygirl39]

the 1KD ammo system, bots need special and couldnt get any during checkmate system

[@VD1461]

it was only better for the higher skill players, comment explained it but thought id agree either way

[@joshtenney4143]

I don't know that the 1KD ammo system really accomplishes the goal of balancing the special ammo economy between high skill players in a lobby vs a low skill player. High skill players are still swimming in special ammo which they will use more effectively against the low skill players. Only now there is effectively no point in a game where they won't have ammo and really just removes the strategy of baiting ammo that checkmate brought. I also haven't noticed any meaningful changes in special weapon composition either. Haven't checked any usage rates but it still feels like over 90% of all special weapons are shotguns.

[@IllinoisStrider]

“I love prism Hunter because everything is strong…skill gap”

[@Kg123garcia]

I’ve not seen 6 stacks of all one class except prismatic hunters

[@GammelGäddan05]

I still don't understand how they thought storms edge was balanced in pvp when they released it

[@Shikyo_Destiny]

You'd be surprised the amount of times it doesn't work

[@los_reyes1872]

It's not as busted as people say. The amount of times hunters whiff that super or end up hitting the wall next to them has been the occurrence for me while in the crucible.

[@MICROKNIGHT3000]

When I played it half the ppl who knows im going for them knows how to dodge it. Vertical movement to where I cant target or swipe with the aoe.

[@iiozzyii]

it’s not broken

[@GammelGäddan05]

@@los_reyes1872 I mean i main blink so i haven't really experienced the humiliation of being killed with the storms edge. I have just heard alot of people complain about how it gets 3 charges and how viable it is in most situations.

[@pirate_duck4985]

I know you mentioned Bakris at the start but it's genuinely a dream come true I can Blink AND Bakris together!! I'm using a very similar build to Drewskys Bakris Build but swap out Grapple for Snowglobe + Smoke wombo. If Nezzy would F'N give me Conditional I'd run that & I've been messing about with the new Seasonal 180 with Keep Away & Precision Instrument. It's like a weird off meta, meta build haha, loving it atm!

[@ShadowBeatzInc]

5:44 I feel so seen ;u;

[@DemonAbumi]

Agree, smoke bomb is too strong right now and clone doge needs a cooldown nerf. but prismatic overall has really allowed creativity. my trials build ended up using one thing from every subclass. which is super dope

[@liaznova1622]

I just wished we had that flexibility in build crafting with titans, for both, pve and pvp :C

[@RyanMK666]

‘Argued that it’s over powered’ honestly, there is no argument, it is.

[@cammycakesgaming]

I also think it’s OP, but there is a reason I always add a disclaimer. Now while I personally don’t like this tier of power in the game… There is an argument because what is OP is relative to the other options. Like maybe they’d argue that prism hunter wouldn’t be OP at all if bungie never nerfed launch stasis, Titan skating, double icarus dash, omnioculus, etc. Again, a reminder… I still prefer launch Destiny 2 balancing scheme. Imo PvP is fun when primaries are primary.

[@thealldayspecial]

@@cammycakesgaming Would you ever make a plunge to a different game series that focuses on that kind of gun play you seek or is it just a career situation, too much tied up in Destiny to not rock algorithm boat, etc etc ? Not to say it's only you but you often come to mind of people who really want to be playing something else or could get an itch scratched out of Destiny. Also I feel like I could see you playing a fighter like Tekken or something where there's a never ending quest to better play.

[@3310xam]

hey cam, i was the player you juked with the ascension and grapple cancel, i got my ankles broken so hard trying to rocket you lmao. it was an honor to play against you in my rumble matches yesterday

[@ned9542]

Glaze king

[@IllinoisStrider]

“It was an honor to play against you”. Mad simp energy in this comment

[@pogrebnik1]

I did not expect to be called out for my "I accept I cannot move and aim at the same time" getaway osteo build like this. You're not wrong either, it gets people MAD.

[@canews8971]

6:00 love the spin movement at the 6:05 mark right before shooting away your rocket.

[@thewildbeast6063]

U asked for a prismatic build, you are getting one :p The main idea is to get the 2 shot on the new 120 scout using raident + desperate measures + hipfire grip Aspect : stylish Fragment : Dawn/ honor / blessing / dominance Ability : threaded spike + magnetic Exotic : frostees / anything that is fun to you Idea simple Once you get a tag with the primary/shotgun.. your spike/magnetic can get a free kill This free kill is turned into invis + 2 tapping legendary DMT (desperate measures activates even if stowed) Personally I use a slug And aim at the body intentionally to get enough damage without killing It's easy to learn and quite powerful

[@apexghost1294]

I mean, you and all Hunter mains…

[@Johndis_C.]

Whips out ghost Refuses to elaborate

[@touchmyGstring]

He did mention it. Animation cancel so he could jump again mid air

[@asystematec]

Yeah would love to know what that’s about! He seems to do it mainly while in air so I wonder if it’s related to a movement bug/tech. I doubt he’s just checking everyone’s super while mid-air.

[@damianh9392]

@@asystematec Pretty sure it cancels the grapple and allows the jump reset

[@badgerll4351]

He breaks down the clip when he plays it a 2nd time around. The grapple into pulling out the ghost is his way of canceling the grapple to gain an additional jump.

[@brothadahkness]

Titan mains in shambles 😢

[@fort809]

I just miss stasis peacekeepers man

[@jericohellsangel594]

The major problem of prismatic hunter is something that has been said in this video. All of the annoying things that were before in a balanced class are now all compiled in 1 class. You see them throwing seeker grenade + smoke? Well either you tank it and hope they don´t follow up, forcefully reposition or take advantage of it and rush them. Rushing is a bad option because they just dodge into another smoke bomb and double jump instantly making you an easy target being slowed, disoriented and with the exotic boots on top of it without a radar. So the only option is to reposition. If they have more then 1 then this game of tag continues until either you are caught, they have nothing but are in much better positions or they make a major mistake and fumble their attack and die. You have so much spam, so much play AND counter play, the best super in the game by far, tons of chip damage, tons of arena manipulation and be on hunter, the class with the best jump in the game unless you use heat rises as a warlock but even that can be argued that no matter what skill bracket you are, you have a complete package to actually do well. It´s good at every skill level and the more skilled you are the more you can get out of it. That is a major problem. And even if you take the radar takeaway pants away, you still have extreme amounts of stuff you can do and can focus on each aspect viably, reliably with many, many exotics. There is a major difference between "oh shit, he managed to make this exotic work because of this interaction with that setup with this subclass? Never thought of that but he is wiping the floor with us with that, very impressive" and "oh he is playing prismatic hunter... yeah makes sense why he could do that" Creativity comes from restrictions. If you are restricted and you manage to figure out a combo no one else managed to find and it works great then you are creative. If you pick the best options out of everyone available because they are simply the best options then it´s not being creative at all. Like you said yourself, if give to many options, people gravitate to simply the best one and spam that. And this will happen in every skill bracket. This time it happens to be that prismatic hunter is amazing in every skill bracket, which is why it needs to get nerfed. However i do have to say that they are in a unique position where they can balance the prismatic classes by simply replacing one thing with another. Swarm to op on this subclass? swap it with another solar grenade. I am all for skill expression, and all for "if something is difficult to pull off then it should be rewarding", but currently, prismatic hunter is not it.

[@eamonmulholland3159]

6:58 the actual *teleports behind you*, "nothing personal kid" moment

[@coffeeman4324]

To me anyways i will forever find it funny to have a discount needlestorm with the new boots. Full strand plus 2 threadling Nades and the boots and it's hysterical.

[@swizlerr]

I love mag grenades and pretty much only use prism hunter for them im not a fan of void hunter so having access to them with a more aggressive kit is why i enjoy it the aspects that are gonna get nerfed wont affect the way i play it thankfully,mag grenades do 140 dmg when you stick someone allowing alot of things to be able to follow up with and get the kill smoke bombs work on some resilience so you can wombo combo like on void, mag grenades are underrated

[@greyklopstock7155]

I feel like clones are more annoying than actually lethal. Like, you can hear a hunter dodge. So you know there's gonna be a clone there. The clone itself isn't going to actually kill you very often. It might GET you killed, but rarely is it going to be directly dealing the lethal damage. Whereas prismatic titan gets concentration with juggernaut and unbreakable, and warlock gets speaker helm, you can get blink with the arc uppercut, and you can get multiple arc uppercuts. All of those are either directly lethal or, in the case of the speaker helm, life extending for a whole team. Personally, I feel like the SECOND prismatic hunter gets tuned, expect the other two prismatic classes to become the new scourge. I always try to base my Hunter build around neutral play. I've never been a fan of gambler's dodge, cause I've never valued my melee ability enough to want to deal with slower cool downs. Also, I feel like the dodge reload is SEVERELY underrated and has been for years. People just like the slick gambler's animation more. I've found myself maining a relativism with Dragon and Coyote, as it allows me to have extra leeway to get out of a sticky situation while also giving me the option to attack with crazy handling and making sure all my guns are fully reloaded. Needless to say, I still doubt we'll be seeing anything but Stompees at the top for exotic usage on hunters, as while hunters might have useful abilities, at the end of the day, none are more valuable to the general player than the extra speec of stompees. Sure, clones and smokes and swarm nades are annoying. But if you ask me, I hate getting nuked by a consecration slam or warlock teleport uppercut infinitely more than I do fighting some jackass trying to be sneaky with a threadling clone

[@RustyBit1]

Titan main here…so OP, I use Hunter exclusively in PVP

[@cameronsalmon1314]

It’s not that specter, smoke bomb and swarm grenades are super crazy (though swarm grenades do need to be brought down just a tad) it’s the play-style. It’s the, “holy crap someone chipped me I better dodge and throw everything to disengage, and since I have an exotic class item, I can do several times if they want to follow.”

[@brianaguilar9782]

I rewinded the video to see that crazy ass play legit 7 times before I still didn’t fully comprehend (pulling out the ghost mid nuclear launch phase is wild🤯) only to see him break it down and rewind it himself 😩😩

[@Skitzy-fe4eu]

Only prism build I've been really using is frostees constant ability uptime makes getting debuffs a breeze in pvp so I can use my hawkmoon and gunnoras more to enjoy my weapons and get transcendence at the same time as super,giving me far more enjoyment than I was having with the big meta builds

[@DanglingCellist]

I just love having blink to be quite honest lol.

[@joshuasmith6909]

Excited to see Swarm nades rolled back, specters hit with a long cooldown, and smoke bombs have their linger duration reset. Maybe then this subclass will be fun to play against.

[@LanceCola]

i would use the word overtuned, playing iron banner made me realize how annoying this is to play against, team that has 4 prism hunters is just impossible to go through a choke, everyone is running smoke, threaded specter and swarm nades, its legit a smoke/swarm combo in every doorway, then if you get into a fight they dodge to get the smoke back and pop threaded, it made me want to rip my hair out

[@bootlegbison3758]

Still not sure why bungie wants the current ammo system. Makes sense for control but I feel ammo meter is way more fun in most other gamemodes

[@k3l3v-ra90]

"why i love prismatic hunter in pvp" you and everyone else my man

[@Floydknight]

glad you hunters are having fun, i’ll sit over here with my one viable prism build

[@BirdMoose]

I really like what you said at the end about a deathcam you can celebrate. It's why I LOVED Strand hunter before specter, when I died to it, normally the other player was going fast and breaking my ankles which to me is a super cool way to play. Its not *neccessarily* higher skill or objectively better than very slow loadouts, but my neuron gets tingles when the game plays extremely fast like with grapples, or blink, or extreme speed dawnblades, or even OG movement stasis titan. If you pair these with high speed primary play instead of a shotgun? Chef's kiss. Alternatively, holding angles with barricades, shotguns, wish ender, clones, lingering abilities, threadlings, and turrets does the opposite where it might be skillful, or comples builds, but personally it makes me have negative fun.

[@Xtinkxiion]

Blink/ phoenix dive/ electro surge warlock is also cracked rn

[@joshtenney4143]

@@Xtinkxiion if you have a class item with necrotic and claws you can use a better neutral melee, like the penumbral blast, and ditch arcane needle. Opens up more in your toolbox than the traditional surge only warlocks I usually run into.

[@joshriker4173]

W vid. The clone nerf before Final Shape was nice bc while they were still potent, it wasn't something you saw in EVERY game, as it required people to actually use the strand hunter kit, which has cons that come with it, and like you mentioned most people just use the easiest thing to keep up with higher skill ppl. Now people get clone without the downsides. Personally I'd have loved to see whirling maelstrom since it's so neglected.

[@life-destiny1196]

Whirling Maelstrom is possibly my favorite aspect in the game, really fun PVE utility.

[@SaiyanIsHere]

I've been having a lot of fun with what I've been calling a "discombobulate build" that uses Winter's Shroud and Threaded Specter with Bombardiers, using Storm's Edge for blind on the Bombardier bombs. The idea is that anytime someone tries to get close to me, all I have to do is dodge and they get slowed, blinded, and hit with threadlings. It's pretty good for discouraging super aggressive enemies, allowing me to run more mid/long range weapons without having to worry about folding every time someone rounds the corner with a shotgun. Or alternatively, it's also a good option if I want to be the super aggressive player by giving me an extra option in a hectic close quarters fight. I guess everyone's been running Winter's Shroud/Threaded Specter so it might not be very original, but I've been having a lot of fun with the versatility of it.

[@B0redZer0]

Not much of a hunter player, so ill throw out a prismatic titan build. The aspects are DIamond Lance and Knockout. Knockout kills allow you to immediately grab a diamond lance, which is super satisfying to chain kills with. You can also use Shiver Strike for a good one-two combo to again get ability kills for diamond lance. Bit of a pro tip for diamond lance.There is a tech with it that allows you to quickly descend after throwing it. All you need to do is use heavy attack/slam immediately after throwing the lance. This is super fun to do and allows you to reliably follow up lance freezes in pvp.

[@betaclownchief4939]

the same 'build' which every other titan is using nice

[@antimatics759]

@@betaclownchief4939 was gonna say this too lol

[@dehmz3183]

Hunter: take 80 damage - dodge spawn clone heal throw smoke and swarm nade, threadlings spawn from clone. Never ending loop, multiple times in a round. In 6’s it never stops, ever. Quite literally there is a swarm nade on the field at all times if there is at least 4 hunters. Titan: I can punch and sometimes I get an icicle. It just doesn’t even compare bro it’s the most skilless meta that anyone can slap on, and that’s the problem. I’d take lord of wolves Omni over this shit

[@Ballsackeruuuuuu]

@@dehmz3183swarm needs higher cooldown and clone just needs a rework and the class will be fine

[@preasidium13]

I honestly think that bungie should go all in on the skills-based approach to character creation that prismatic brings as opposed to the older class-based approach of the past. It would make balancing less of a hassle (instead of trying to equalize one kit with another you simply need to equalize one skill with other equivalent skills) and it would keep the build freedom and creativity that many in the community seem to enjoy.

[@gluefoot_]

When the video talks about skill and expression, I feel like that’s something titans are lacking. I can’t speak for warlocks, but it feels like all Titan skill expression goes into things like PK tech or Lion Rampant builds. I know skating is still kinda a thing, but the peak of that mountain is cryo skating, that just got nerfed. It all just feels flat compared to what threadrunner and prismatic hunter get access to. Am I wrong? Tell my why I’m wrong, I would love to explore some new Titan gameplay

[@Grumpy-Drum]

I think a part of it is that, even tho the lines between the classes can get blurred, they are still three classes based loosely around "Healer, Tank, DPS/Scout". The Hunter kit is always going to be based around movement and being sneaky, and when pvp is so heavily influenced by the radar and a player's ability to move, Hunters are gonna come out on top. The whole Smoke+Scatter+Spectre is just the easiest route to take at the moment.

[@CM-pb9mj]

Oh well... time to nerf titans

[@tylerlloydboone]

The power level of this is not healthy for pvp

[@MAGI91]

I have an exotic cloak with spirit of the assassin and spirit of the liar, I love pairing it with combination blow and radiant with blink. The ultimate uno reverse setup once it’s active, like sudden death can appear out of nowhere and it’s insanely fun

[@logannofingers2792]

The problem with Prism Hunter is that it has all of the upsides of the light and dark classes, yet none of the downsides Void you’re relatively slow but good radar manipulation and invis - you have stompee movement. With prism you have better radar manipulation plus stompee movement plus grapple, maybe even ascension plus blink

[@wy100101]

disagree on none of the downsides, grapple has much higher uptime on strand, you get 2 of them, you have an air more to get back to the ground, and you can get AE out of it. It is easier to keep invis up on void by a lot, and you can significantly extend the duration. I do agree that the benefits of mixing and matching in prism outweigh the downsides, but there are downsides.

[@liamwilliamson7694]

Hunters have a 52% usage rate on week 180 (20th July) of trials. With prismatic hunter having a 41.7% usage.

[@puzzleful887]

I love cammy, but I can't say I have any respect for any prism hunters anymore. The freaking clone spam that plagues pvp at this current moment has made the game incredibly unenjoyable, and I have genuinely considered switching to gambit because of it. As found in a Hynra community post, threaded spectre is a complete disgrace to the strand(and prism) hunter playstyle. I could elaborate on what exactly is over powered about clones and prism hunter especially, but I think enough people already know what the problems are, and why they both desperately need to be nerfed.

[@user-cg1ib4zk3x]

I agree, hunters were already crazy oppressive with their kit. Having smokes and clones is annoying. Especially in these past iron banner games.

[@Mr-R.R.]

You are being extremely cringe with your "I've lost respect for prism hunters" nonsense. You essentially want people to not play any of the new content, use non of the prismatic class items and go out of their way to make their build weaker (for your convenience) by removing everything about prismatic you deem OP (swarm, smoke, clones, slow, etc). That's the pathetic part. Blame Bungie, but don't expect me - a hunter main - to not play the new subclass or use the class items I've farmed because you're annoyed.

[@rushsoccer1355]

@@Mr-R.R.I don’t think you know how to read, they never said you couldn’t play new shit, just that it’s way overtuned

[@yabuts]

Solarlock is still the best class at a high level...Hynra and Dive show that in their play. I haven't really been bothered by hunters in PVP, it's pretty easy to work around a clone. Anytime you bait an ability you can have the advantage. Hunter movement is still some of the worst in the game even with 100 mobility.

[@inactive_potate8463]

Why do so many hunters use the clone in pvp, I'm a hunter main and I've never used the clone in pvp and never thought it was good

[@Winger2020]

I honestly don't think they should nerf Hunter prismatic. It has so much build synergy. What I want is for my titan to have the same level of build synergy to make crazy plays like this. It feels like the Titan kit is just a random assortment of aspects from different subclasses that don't feed into each other that well (aside from consecration strand melee)

[@lgtokyo2665]

As of July 9th. 29% of ppl are giving this video a thumbs down. Ouch.

[@bk2932]

@@lgtokyo2665 we love cammy. we despise prismatic hunter. I get that the backlash is kind of unfair for this video, just the worst possible timing

[@Buhry]

Prism hunter is pute cheese. Im maining it rn but its broken and unfun to play against

[@icekyuu]

I love playing Prismatic Hunter as well. I HATE playing against them tho.

[@yoyochen6366]

I get so much hate for using fighting lion :(

[@life-destiny1196]

It's a strong weapon that offers something very few other weapons do (threatening people around cover with no uptime limitations) while being frontloaded in damage like a bow is. It's dumb that people get so salty over loadouts, but not entirely surprising, either. Also, if my time playing fighting games tells me anything, people will insult your choices of tools regardless of what you pick.

[@TheBeast23444]

Your choice of kinetic tremors multi mach and the severing burst. Invis off of kill. As well as a tremors and a tangle detonation at the kill spot. Great for weakening targets

[@ipnugget]

My build before prism was strand hunter + mechaneers + forerunner and the sidearm of the month, now I can run all the parts I love about strand, without needing the super, plus adding radiant dodge makes sidearms have crazy ttks

[@verpine95]

i don't think it's good but if you radiant dance machines dodge near someone you can do a bunch of ascensions for free

[@markyoder8813]

Do you plan on making a riposte review

[@docsci8215]

Facet of Solitide lets me turn crimson into a 35m Rat King with stylish executioner. Everything else is just a bonus.

[@nestormacias4805]

Using Smoke+Duskfield+Slow Dodge+Threaded Spectre has allowed me to play my primary with so much ease. Being able to slow down smg and shotgun players has enabled me to play more confortably as a sniper+handcannon player, I just don't need to worry as much as I used to about people pushing

[@wy100101]

it does help with the fact that they more or less completely rolled back the special ammo changes, and I guess the ability up time changes. I do hope they scale back special ammo when they scale back ability spam again. I hate feeling like I have to run something specifically to deal with apes.

[@JakeFish5058]

"The other player not being able to move has made them easier to kill" no shit sherlock

[@Cassernn]

@@JakeFish5058exactly lol I’m a Titan Main I finally completed the campaign on hunter for myself I’m now using prismatic hunter in PvP and I have already dropped 5 we rans in just a couple hours the class is absolutely broken too easy

[@MajorityFFA]

For as much as I guard strand hunter clones and believe they should be nerfed, I am happy I finally have a good counter to shotgun aping titans

[@shawlawrenceYT]

Hunter main here. If they just added an animation delay to clone so you are vulnerable for a split second it would be balanced with titan shields and rifts.

[@k3l3v-ra90]

a hunter main with a valid balance change, rare. i like this.

[@AutistiCat2406]

Why do so many people immediately lunge into comments to complain about prismatic hunter when within a few minutes cammy clarifies he just likes the radar manip We've all heard it before we all know the major issues anyway, why is it constant whining instead of things actually related to the video :( When I do play hunter, I personally find it most fun to run swarm/withering/stylish, swarm has always been a fun solar grenade to me, and I don't like the buff so sometimes grapple feels better, but withering blade is nice to throw and try to get ricochet with it, then if it cleans up I have invis, or if not then I basically have a free win to patch up my lack of gunskill because of slow Mostly play warlock though, and its not as strong as solar by a mile, but its still very nice to have blink and a whole bunch of flexibility, one of my favorite builds just runs 10 recovery, discipline, and strength, with eye of another world, so i can get the most out of throwing my entire kit around, its not fun to fight against, but I enjoy using my abilities, otherwise I'd play something else if I wanted skillful gunfights

[@NemoRackkz]

Thats part of the cringe sht with the class..... You being a "Hunter main" damn near makes your opinion null and void. I'll stand on that. As cool as Prismatic is that sht is cringe to play against. It makes no sense why its used in 99% of every pvp match.

[@Rozebud0893]

this video could easily have been titled, "Why I (hate playing against) Prismatic Hunter in PvP"

[@realMasterGreenEye]

I basically main the quickfang with assassin's blade in pvp. I don't do it to be competitive or claim it's efficient but the way prismatic has enabled me to be even more obnoxious with it has really reinvigorated my love for PVP. Relativism with coyote & ophidia with threaded Spectre is beyond absurd. I've searched your videos and have never seen you build around a quickfang build and I'd be absolutely over the moon to see your take on something like this.

[@wy100101]

I am hunting ophidia+coyote. I need that combo.

[@realMasterGreenEye]

@@wy100101 it is glorious and I wish you good luck in rolling it

[@life-destiny1196]

Imma be real with you, I have no idea how you're supposed to main a heavy weapon in PVP. I do love the silly edgy lightweight sword animation though.

[@realMasterGreenEye]

@@life-destiny1196 you would be surprised how often players these days actually just ignore heavy in most 6v6 modes and if you intentionally track spawn times and try to control the heavy spawn area you can get heavy multiple times every game. I have approaching 5000 PvP kills on multiple rolls of quick fang over the years and yes it was A LOT more difficult to get heavy before but nowadays I get it rather frequently. Some of my favourite gaming moments are the kill streaks achieved using quick fang in PvP, I even got a we ran out of medals with 18 quick fang kills and 2 golden gun shots. Prior to prismatic I basically never took bakris off and I still exclusively play hunter. I have some potato quality old footage on my KZbin uploaded just for shits and gigs.

[@vitor0tritto]

Khepri's Sting + Fioritura. Niche, sure, but being able to use Sting in a more aggressive way - Fioritura with Repulsor Brace or Swash- it's a lot more fun and effective than I had imagined at first.

[@JoeMurray5]

People still don’t realise over shield Titan is insane - just change the super from bubble etc. love hunters

[@Electric.Spaghetti.Neon.Studio]

Only Bungie would drag us through an entire extended season of detailed crucible sandbox knob-tweaking (last season), and then barf prismatic Hunter all over the top of everything and completely destroy any semblance of balance in PvP. Way to go, Bungie!

[@FableBlanks]

i mean the ability spam is annoying but personally i’ve been having fun just playing the game and trying out new stuff, warlock main, having 4 buddies at once is cool tbh

[@ClassyCrayfish]

I’ve been loving blink and grapple together. I would have loved access to invis dodge but being able to stylish exe with the headshots is stupid strong. Thinking of trying ascension to get maximum airborn movement. Although the meta option is ability spam, I think prism hunter will always have viability as a high broad mobility class, getting to a lane or any power position first every time.

[@marvidor]

I agree it’s strong but I think Prisim Hunter is incredible. The idea that Bungie released it was a bold move that I admire. I’m get the same vibes that came when strand first released. Obviously it can be used to spam but theres so much inventive potential. A little tweak here and there.. my only concern is even with a balanced prism subclass it’ll always be the best choice - A hunter version of Fox ditto, final destination.

[@jajaman531]

As a hunter main, that first 1:00 to 1:39 is wild af. I’m clearly not playing this game good enough. 😂

[@minimelegend]

I love to blink, grapple, blink then grapple melee and then hit ascension.

[@rjon2852]

Only PvP I've done is I.B., so nothing competitive. But the build I've been absolutely having a blast with is Khepri's Sting one-shot grapple melee. Khepri's activates off of the grapple melee and the extra smoke damage is enough to instantly kill guardians. It hasnt been 100% consistent, so I believe it may have a resilience cap. However, combine this with Heavyhanded, the radiant upon orb pickup artifact mod/radiant from charged melee fragment, and a swashbuckler Better Devils, then you got yourself a free 2-tapping 140 HC with wall hacks from just landing a grapple melee

[@CollaateraL]

Thank you cam for such based content! 🐐

[@user-pe7iu7zm3l]

I'm using final warning like shit with my crappy bot-walk. Considering you can fly around like a bird, peek the opponent just a bit then back to cover before they realize they have been marked for certain death. But sometimes I do find success facing prismatic hunters. When that happens, it's all worth the swarm/smoke/clone torture.

[@Bigman33752]

Can’t say a prism build but double grapple with woven helm is still the best thing for me

[@allmightgt4861]

Loving ascension with blink

[@momoxwx4452]

Ez cause they are invencibles

[@abarekiller-le7hv]

1:33 what was that play/technique?

[@wy100101]

The thing I'm actually enjoying the most isn't even about prism. It is being able to have ophidian on hunter. I can finally counter the clunky handling on not forgotten on hunter, and I love it. I've always said that if they ever game my Ophidians on hunter I would never take them off and this is proving to be true. I've been abusing having radar pings again, but if it wasn't for ophidian, I'd probably be spending more time on strand just for the mobility of grapple.

[@lionheartz1337]

The other side of prism hunter that i absolutely love is Bakris + Blink

[@schulace]

my fave part of prism hunter right now is using Thorn to go invis and get wallhacks off of a 3tap kill, then pulling out a snipe and doming someone the instant they run around a corner. That and using liar's handshake with a smoke bomb to bait shotgun apes around a corner and then one-punch them. Prism titan is also really fun, a lot of the time I run the solar super, ophid/scars class item, and red death and turn into a zero downtime kill-chaining machine. IMO the swarm nade buff was unnecessary, same with the smokes now doing DOT, and clones dropping threadlings seems like a thing that should be reserved for the exotic, the same way that tangles only make threadlings if you have swarmers on

[@kooletron174c3]

Liars handshake has been really fun

[@Jamesssssssssssssss]

My main hunter exotic for a while has been Assassin's cowl, just feels great to get a melee kill go invise and heal all at once. Used it with pretty much anything with swash, or golden tri. Still using it right now lol

[@cso_zezo..2843]

could you do a video on solar hunter with the cryo sidearm with the tyranny of heaven swashbuckler so the build goes like this, kill with the cryo, freeze a guardian, finish him off with a throwing knife, then you have swashbuckler x5 + radiant.

[@judeodonnell4127]

I thought I was cooking up an absolute storm: speedloaders with slice ib auto (or slice comp pulse or better devils depending on map size) on prism with stylish and threaded spectre. Dodge to get a load of handling and reload, ability to apply a 15% debuff to 3(?) enemies and then the ability to get wallhacks, invis, an orb, and onslaught after a kill following the dodge. In the future I would want to replace speedloaders with a dragons shadow sixth coyote class item. However, I have come to realise that sever does not work in pvp anymore since that big sandbox overhaul last year. Major bummer. Still a pretty cool build nonetheless

[@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU]

Personal favorite (though I am absolutely not good enough to actually do the stuff i try to) is bakris with blink and grapple. So many gunfights have been free because my opponent literally ran out of mousepad.

[@_thehalcyon]

Storm's Edge this, Storm's Edge that... My brother in Light, you have a JUMP button.

[@Cassernn]

The Radius is pretty big, they can also spam it 3x, and they can also aim it upwards to hit you more accurately most good players aren’t just aiming directly at the floor while using the super bruh

[@strugglelll6952]

Besides prismatic hunter being a problem, I think an issue we need to observe is that we have another week of IB with even more ability spamming, so I wish you all luck. Ik I’ll need it

[@abaren730]

I like pretty much every prism hunter build, though I haven’t touched PvP yet. Tbh I really wish Bungie would find more creative ways to balance kits than just shifting their power levels. Sometimes they do that, but other times they just give Citan’s double cooldown and also the barrier pops before you finish the casting animation. I feel like Bungie is going to do that to specter, and I really hope they don’t. If people are getting oneshot by it, I hope that Bungie fixes that by addressing the core identity issue. Perhaps enemies hit my the explosion are debuffed, take little damage in PvP, and don’t spawn threadlings unless there’s nothing in detonation range.

[@uncatchable_joe1872]

You mentioned titan and warlock and it made wonder is there Solar Titan build that is viable and does not rely on Loreley/Precious Scars and uses neutral game exotic, for example: Dunemarchers?

[@life-destiny1196]

Best thing I can think of offhand is to try to build around Hammer Strike, but prismatic probably does that better tbh. Same with Consecration.

[@uncatchable_joe1872]

@@life-destiny1196 Peregrines with hammer strike and fragments that buff Ignitions is fun but bulding around shoulder charge on Arc or Void will provide the same or even better result

[@Former_Enjoyer]

I still really like Stasis Hunter, I just use it with Stomp-ee5, Shatterdive, Touch of Winter, Glacier Grenade, Whisper of Fissures, Torment, Conduction, and Impetus. Since Final Shape for some reason my Shatterdive has not been consistently activating

[@thenexus7343]

I've seen people with like 30k plus kills on Mida, Sunshot, etc. When you really go at it with your favorite gun, you'll be much better. My favorite gun Happens to be rose. And elsie's rifle. Meta I KNOW, but I genuinly enjoy using them

[@kratos3500]

I’ve gone back with titan strand I can’t stand using prismatic on it everything is on a long cooldowns and is obviously trash in comparison

[@moonshine71522]

"the illusion of choice" swarm nade smoke bomb storms whatever

[@bekfistwolf8248]

I think every prismatic class has its pain points, hunters with clones, titans spamming slide melees, and warlocks just doing warlocks. That being said the level of mobility in prismatic hunter makes it a massive win for just doing stupid shit better than any other class, absolutely love that aspect of it.