Why I *LOVE* the new MSFS gust model | Real 737 Pilot

[@A330Driver]

A very good example of a real life landing in a storm. Far from max crosswind, but you can see the kind of inputs needed and how the plane responds to them: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKrbZYGvgtephdU

[@ParisRome]

In this real video, I have noticed that large variations in yoke do not correspond to the same variations in aircraft roll and pitch. Does this mean that it is necessary to reduce the sensitivity of the yoke on FS?

[@WarHawkAU24]

Holy smokes, that's an impressive video

[@hobanagerik]

@@ParisRome That could also be down to reduced airflow over control services, meaning larger inputs have to be made.

[@vermin1970]

Experienced pilots are killed by weather all the time, they should not be dumbing things down, should be consequences for flying in bad weather like real life

[@charlieromeo3991]

This is a time when you certainly don't want to land smoothly, but rather plant the plane firmly on the runway...

[@papacharlie2841]

You are absolutely spot on! Just because "veteran simmers" can't handle it, it doesnt have to be unrealistic. I hope Asobos keeps this simulation as it is!

[@ganntradingsystemstimecycl2783]

No I hope Asobo keep developing the sim with on going CFDs

[@hpharold23]

@@ganntradingsystemstimecycl2783 CFD will only works if you have a good weather. And CFD is on going and is being back by real world data.

[@HostNayner]

THIS

[@delg551]

What do you mean Just because "veteran simmers" can't handle it?? I think you will find "veteran simmers" can handle it and will want it to stay as described in this video. It is reasons like this that "veteran simmers" are coming to MSFS from other sims, because finally MSFS is now getting realistic and it is/was the "veteran simmers" that constantly complained even in the face of the "fly now" simmers who want everything easy! so I really dont get your comment??

[@A330Driver]

@@delg551 The "veteran simmers" quote is originally one I picked up in the PMDG forum and reused in the comment here. It was made in a context where someone claimed he is a "veteran MSFS user" and can no longer land aircraft in the sim and thus this "bug" has to be removed again. I picked it up in this context because "veteran MSFS user" for me refers to people who only know how flight dynamics in MSFS work but have no idea how it works in real aviation and thus deny any chance that makes things drastically different like the gust model with SU X. Truth is, there are quite some more of these changes that would be necessary that would make it a lot harder for people to fly in the sim, which are still overdue.

[@athgt6630]

I'm a 600hrs private pilot, not a CFI, not airline pilot, nothing, so just take it for what it's worth. I couldn't agree more. I flew over mountainous region with 25kts wind and at times I was at the limit of loss of control. *Just like in real life*. The model is finally great. If Asobo want to dumb it down, they will make a mistake. They should put a realism slider and let people do what they want.

[@A330Driver]

wow 600hrs is a lot of time for a private pilot! How long are you flying so far?

[@athgt6630]

@@A330Driver haha indeed, and if it wasn't covid it would've been more! 22 years of flying!

[@ericwhite8057]

Not a pilot myself, but I know a bunch - which counts for about as much as Dark Helmet's relationship to LoneStar in Spaceballs. But regardless, I couldn't agree more. Sometimes I do like the simplicity of just circling around lazily and touring around, marvelling still at the clouds, sunsets, and scenery. But most of the time, I want the challenge. I'd probably use full "realism" all the time (I don't turn on like "auto rudder" or other such make-easy niceties) but there could be a good argument for adding a realism slider. Like for my daughter who is just "starting out" with simming - it's fair and reasonable without dropping away the ability to keep full realism for those who want it. All they literally would have to do is simply allow for the gust portion to be scaled from 0-100% on live weather with a single slider in the assists area.

[@guidancefromjah]

Asobo is clearly dumbing everything down at this point and has dedicated their product to game consoles while putting folks who spend thousands on equipment out of the loop and using third party applications to get their things to work correctly. It's abso-fvxking-lutely sad!

[@gryff42]

Totally impressed how he casually manages this whole approach and always stays perfectly on route. After all theres a difference between simmers and pilots.

[@A330Driver]

Thanks! Yeah, a lot of practice goes into it of course. In the end it comes down to the instrument scan, the earlier you notice a departure from your intended flight path, the earlier you can correct it.

[@gastonpossel]

And he did it without information from his inner ears!

[@Haniel93]

@@gastonpossel Still, you are supposed to not trust those in IMC

[@gastonpossel]

@@Haniel93 i know i know, but for short transients i think those play a role anyway on fast control inputs due to gusts etc

[@mavi_izmir]

To those who say that the plane is not flyable, it is necessary to ask; is the plane not flyable, or are you unable to fly? The PMDG has done a great job. Thank you to those who have contributed and for you too.

[@A330Driver]

Fully agree, many will have to relearn their crosswind technique, but hey, the closer to the real plane, the better it is!

[@elmalloc]

I am unable to fly.

[@mavi_izmir]

@@elmalloc of course you can😏 Try it.

[@JDSleeper]

So, people are complaining that reality is unrealistic.

[@A330Driver]

Understandably though, they don't know what it is like to fly a real airliner in conditions like these. No sim I used before depitcted turbulence and the effect of thermals and gusts realistically. It was one of the biggest changes I had to get used to during my type rating and linetraining after years of flight simming, so it is not surprising that people now think it's unrealistic.

[@lunchbreaker4623]

Yes, cause "xPlaNe dOeSnT dO iT lIKe tHaT"...so it cant be right!! That's the exact problem with virtual pilots rating aerodynamics and flightmodels.

[@Hk-uw8my]

@@lunchbreaker4623 xplane has gusts since a lot of time. Msfs just got them now.

[@ukmaxi]

@@Hk-uw8my well no, msfs has had gusts since launch, it's just trying to model them realistically is not a simple process

[@RatedFlexxxxxx]

@@ukmaxi msfs had gust and the so called veteran simmers bitched and complain and Asobo removed it. Now it's back and some are still complaining

[@D25Bev]

The whole point of a simulation is to learn something. Not just get in & do it perfectly. It's meant to be realistic, even if challenging.

[@WhiteEagleTube]

This is where you earn your money as a pilot.

[@A330Driver]

Absolutely!

[@speedbrake22]

“Just throw her down on the runway” Yep, I agree

[@kennex2008]

@@speedbrake22 laughs in -950ft/min soft touchdown

[@hpharold23]

I love the new weather system with cloud layers and gust!!!

[@A330Driver]

Me too!

[@d0m1nu27]

Sometimes after SU10 i think clouds are way too muhc where I have near to zero visibility as FL400 and clouds are still extremly dense, but the winds are amazing

[@iaexo]

@@d0m1nu27 That actually can happen irl - towering clouds up to 60,000 feet are possible

[@birdman4274]

I had a flight into Bergen the other night and the weather was horrendous, but it was the best immersive landing I have had on MSFS. I absolutely love this sim.

[@A330Driver]

Really looking forward to Iceland in winter as well! Keflavik is going to be a blast!

[@birdman4274]

@@A330Driver That's a great idea. I'll put that on my list 👍

[@drewer757]

@5:20 "And don't flare too much, just throw it down on that runway!" -Every ryanair pilot (or Navy pilot) 😂 This is beautiful. Reminds me of a really turbulent landing I had at KCEC during flight training in a PA-44. We were on the ILS 12 approach circling to land on 30. Nothing but bumps and getting tossed about!

[@tomdchi12]

As a lowly GA bugsmasher, gusts and turbulence are a very real part of what's going on. It's amazing how much easier things are when you aren't getting tossed around regularly. Of course, in MSFS, there should be the option to turn it off, but you can't have realism without gusts.

[@moonasha]

considering you can control the weather down to a t, the option is already there!

[@stevenbond2891]

I also love it. Finally getting tossed around like it should. Hope they don't remove it. I've been on a flight once where for 2 hours the jet was just getting tossed around like being on a mechanical bull. That seat belt was as tight a it could go so I can stay on the seat, as I watched out the window seeing the wings flexing an insane amount. I think that if there are people that find it too difficult Asobo can have an option for them where they can toggle between realistic mode and arcade mode.

[@ssmows6]

Another 737 type rated pilot here. I also love this new weather in the sim. It feels more realistic. Seems most people that are complaining are people that don’t have a pilots license. Veteran flight sim pilots 🤣

[@A330Driver]

Glad to see I'm not the only one, I was a little afraid I would be ripped apart after a video like this!

[@peter-mv5gk]

true hahah!

[@ssmows6]

@@A330Driver I mean it’s not like it’s not true. Wind gusts are more than the air speed and heading indicators wiggling around. They can throw the aircraft around. Even small gusts can throw a C172 around. If the veteran simmers think gusts and the new weather is “not realistic” Asobo should have an option to turn it off, not get rid of it!

[@d1d1ka29]

I love this new update. I work in the aerospace industry and my workplace is by an airport. Seeing planes land in strong gusts really put me off loving MSFS, now everything changed. I love how challenging it is now to land the 737 for example, I cannot hit perfect landings, am not a pilot irl, but this when I am trully being challenged and I am having a lot of fun. Great video btw!!

[@__Dusty_]

Great video and awesome flying. Absolutely love the new gust model, hope it doesn't get 'nerfed'!!!

[@kristiantweedale3771]

I totally agree, im quite enjoying the introduction of gusts myself! Makes the approach a lot more interesting and challenging! So hoping Asobo don't change it just to satisfy the few...

[@_russian_tmp1065]

737NG driver absolutely smashing that ego of "veteran simmers"

[@A330Driver]

haha, it is not my intention to hurt anyone! ;-)

[@santiago.ruedat]

Weather radar is so needed right now. Had a gust right before the flare, thankfully I could recover but it was almost fatal

[@zk9058]

Love how he’s like “just throw it down on the runway.”

[@Timboslicce]

That was dope. True professional sir. Thanks for all your time you spend showing people how a pro handles a plane.

[@scotty6346]

What an excellent MSFS tutorial, I've just bought PMDG's 737-600, Subbed and liked mate 👍

[@msbilbrough]

Great video, thanks for sharing. Incredible skills - great landing. I'm looking forward to more challenging landings... I'm not the greatest sim pilot, but this gives me the opportunity to develop my skills.

[@ramtin-s8722]

Sounds good. Great job Asobo!

[@matness8879]

Nailed it! Impressive stuff CAP! Very nicely done!

[@d1d1ka29]

Please, just in case Asobo decides to remove this feature, can you make another video about it, hoping it will change their minds, I hope they actually take serious all the simmers that are pissed at this "issue" it may not be perfect but is damn close.

[@A330Driver]

I surely will keep on this topic!

[@peterjohnson350]

Glad you could see where you were landing!

[@christophercook9452]

Thank you for proving my point about turbulence. I jump seat on a 727 once into ksfo and kdfw and more flights in the B-52H and I watched the pilot make an incredible amount of corrections just to keep the plane in check. Your video is exactly what asobo should have been working on from day one.

[@lukeemmo02]

loving the new update, flew the 737-800 and the bae146 in some rainy, windy weather out of sydney and in the states. Was very noticeable but super fun. Im a casual sim pilot but i love the challenge.

[@pupaepedorra]

Very impressive and realistic landing, and i can see the improvements provided by the new model. I also consider this new feature to be very close to reality, and not needing a "nerf"

[@sjpeckham1]

Great analysis sir! Really appreciate evaluation by real pilot of that same type

[@kenk039]

Do not reduce this!!! Could make it an option for those who are newer maybe, but this has been missing for too long…

[@zaxzax6475]

I love them too! Having so much fun now in GA planes.

[@75thbosco75]

It would be nice if they would implement an option for it instead of changing it for everyone. Just a simple option in Assistance options, "Gust Model: Realistic / Legacy" or something like that.

[@nigeltaylor58]

Nice video, and appreciate the realism in flying. As a former private pilot I never forgot my first attempts at crosswind landing at close on maximum crosswind component at Augustine airport in a C152, I soon learnt on a high wing aircraft that wing down into wind worked best rather than trying to crab in us using rudder. I became quite proficient at crosswind landings, and successfully landed a C172 at Le Touquet (Paris Plage) at double the recommended crosswind component for that aircraft, and on that particular day I witnessed two aircraft collapse their undercarriage attempting to land in such conditions. I was behind a Britten Norman Islander that took off in those winds and watched it struggle to maintain runway heading and then upon liftoff go sideways to the runway. When I took off I held nose down to well past recommended lift off speed an snatched the aircraft into the air gently turning into wind and barely covering any actual ground speed. I was the last departure from Le Touquet on that day.

[@Rhinozherous]

Very cool demonstration! Thank you

[@A330Driver]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@JohnGontar]

Indeed… landing in LPPT several minutes ago was very fun for me!!! 350/17 310V010 for the Runway 02… A lot of corrections to stay within ILS with a proper speed… Can’t say how real this new system is as I’m not a Boeing pilot, but it felt very realistic…! I’m definitely loving this new feature… and I also want it to stay! Thank You very much for the Video!

[@zeberdee1972]

WOW im in awe , that was amazing 🙂

[@flo4401]

I did an approach in Tirana with live stormy conditions and when I landed the plane it bounced so hard I had to go around ! I never struggled so hard in 10 years of simming to land a plane. This was so challenging but so fun! I hope that one day I am going to be able to do this perfectly in real life!

[@maptrking]

Dude - I love you, man! You're a very good instructor!

[@lisa-azrabroad4137]

Bravo, well landed

[@giganetom]

That "Continue!" I almost lost it XD Very good video. :) Thank you!

[@yannikair]

Nice Video 👍🏻💯🚀

[@caribbaviator7058]

I was able to land the SWS Kodiak in a crosswind yesterday with ease just because of some experience with a real C172 in crosswind conditions despite the Kodiak having way more power.

[@onebigflappyboi8276]

as a "Veteran Flight Simmer" who has flown on xplane 11, P3D, and MSFS I would say I absolutely love this new update, gives the aircraft a much more of a real feel to the aircraft while landing.... with the rollout of Fenix, PMDG, and improvements with FBW project etc... I am finally able to enjoy this beautiful flight simulator.

[@chasemcelroye594]

I had to fly a CRJ900 in LLWS yesterday and I indeed moved the yoke like that 😂 safe to say this sim is getting more and more realistic! Maybe I should give it another go!

[@Arvidje]

I am happy they finally add these gusts and turbulence effects.. pmdg should add a bit of vibration in the cockpit also..

[@skeletonfunfair]

That was a really good approach.

[@FlightSims]

That’s Amore! Maybe Asobo can have a setting “Dumbed Down” for inexperienced simmers. I know I would’ve loved it ten years ago while learning the ‘7 on Xplane. I believe it took two years to learn most aspects of flying it. (My first try landing in great conditions was way too fast!) Still, it was and is a great challenge trying to land in the conditions you set up. I love it! Thanks for showing your expertise and talent. Cheers

[@ariehendrawan7285]

yeah! loved this update the wind gust feel challenging and feel great. hope we got affordable ffb yoke/stick. I'm not real life pilot, just lot watched cockpit view video. asobo please don't change it

[@zsolteditor]

feels good in gliders too

[@mdhazeldine]

Fantastic video. I agree. I would not want MS/Asobo to dumb down anything. In my view, the obvious solution is to put in a gust realism/intensity slider into the settings.

[@optimusprime4443]

I actually enjoy it, is a new challenge I flew the Caravan to Puerto Rico just before the hurricane arrived and I liked how the wind was making it difficult to land.

[@OzzyInSpace]

I've been absolutely loving the adverse weather now... you can finally feel it affecting the aircraft... like it REALLY DOES lol

[@flighterer]

God this video has the kicker! Thank you so much. You must have been dripping of adrenalin.

[@A330Driver]

haha, actually I'd call it a standard late summer day ;-)

[@newqlar]

Well done mate!

[@alanw.4511]

Damn that was good!!

[@calimark7448]

Just did a flight from SFO to KSEZ, yes, I like it. Bounced the TBM around a bit just like in real life. :-)

[@bobwright8789]

Yeah the more realistic it is the better! I have seen plenty of videos where pilot's are putting in some pretty large inputs on their controls during severe weather conditions. I got to fly a small piper archer and durring take off a wind gust hit the plane... it moved us so far over that for a second I thought I broke something with the amount of correction that was required to fight against the wind😅

[@mdsx01]

10.6 hours in a 172, and I'm glad to hear this. Need more realistic weather to stay at the top of my class.

[@ThomasGrillo]

Thanks for demonstrating the new turbulence and gust model. I hope Asobo does not go and dumb it down too much. We just need to step up our game. :)

[@A330Driver]

Exactly!

[@vincentlong8773]

I hope they don't dumb it at all, and only make things more realistic where possible. If people haven't got the skills, either practise and learn them, or reduce the effects in the menu's to suit them.

[@ThomasGrillo]

@@vincentlong8773 Now you mention it, I'm inclined to agree. maybe they should provide options to us, for those just learning, but then, one can always just turn off the real weather. I'm looking forward to experiencing the turbulence. Guess I better update, and get cracking before they do dumb it down on us. LOL :)

[@pedrorego940]

That is how the Pros do it! I wish I had a Windshear warning in the Fenix just before I slamed it down on rwy02 at LPPT :) Lost all lift at 50 feet! Keep up the good work, cheers!

[@A330Driver]

A working windshear warning system would indeed be amazing! But as far as I know MSFS does not simulate actual windshears yet, only "normal" turbulence.

[@simwirx]

I love the gusts and bumps!

[@Hyestar]

Definitely realistic. Just flew into EWR the other day and encountered this exactly (only in clear weather

[@devansh8846]

I know you're a real pilot and this is one of your daily stuffs but still Very well flown.

[@jingle1161]

Indeed, this doesn't look very easy. I always felt landing in a sim looks much easier compared to the ridiculous amount of control inputs you see on those real life landings. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKvVf2yGaN5nirM

[@suesun7072]

Thank you for the video! Surely not for everyone, but when you what to get the real feeling of flying an airplane, I would guess this is as close as it get's on a private simulator! I had such flights in RL and I am not going to lie, I was happy when back on the ground. But it is part of the job. Not the romantic picture book kind of flying, but something you will sooner or later run into.

[@blake9908]

This is so good

[@VliegerNL]

Dang, I wish that I could fly like this, and so casually too! PRO. (And keep those gusts coming)

[@specleafgaming6392]

I absulutely love the new weather system. Cloud layers and gust! This is the way! And I know Asobo is continually improving CFD as well. Weather, Aircraft, and Visual: this what makes a flight simmulator a WHOLE!

[@A330Driver]

yep, the overall package we get with MSFS is surely the best in business at the moment. Surely it's not perfect, but not even the full flight simulators are!

[@jamc666]

@@A330Driver what do you think of X-Plane which is supposed to surpass msfs in term of realism ?

[@kampho7260]

@@jamc666 He dodnt use it, which mean he prob dont love it so much as MSFS

[@Jenairaslebol27merde]

that was very impressive! i haven't tried the 737 yet, but i surely trust your verdict. so, it would definitely be a step backwards if asobo tamed down the gust model. a good compromise would be if they added a slider somewhere where the user could adjust between realistic and easy("less aggressive").

[@tutnixzursache_]

The gusts are really good i like them too, but so sad there is no useable weather radar and windshear warnings

[@A330Driver]

Indeed, those would really be needed!

[@denziiey]

I hope asobo allows 3rd party full access. They're still limiting 3 Dimensional data

[@jonny1013]

As a sim player since the age of fs2004 and flying the real thing as well. Please keep this... THIS IS HOW IT IS, IRL...

[@A330Driver]

Same here! I remember my first "flights" were with the Ford Trimotor from Seattle to Boeing Field and back in FS2004! Good old times!

[@jonny1013]

@@A330Driver awesome ! 😁

[@photoeducationbydaniel]

Finally some proper feedback! Maybe they should have this model of gusts for us that want the realism and then an easy setting for FSX veterans who love flying on rails

[@A330Driver]

yeah, maybe put the old model under the "legacy flight model" tab for those who want it.

[@jeluna]

I'm just speechless and impressed! He's got the plane in his veins!

[@JB_Hobbies]

Before I started flying in real life I had always wondered how useful MSFS really was to a real pilot. Happy to report that is is an incredible training tool. And, considering the price of things in aviation, it is an incredibly well-priced tool.

[@sundar999]

Same experience here :)

[@treloarw]

At least in the PMDG’s, the knob problem in turbulent conditions can be solved by using pmdg’s mouse config. Best change ever. Also makes it easier in smooth conditions. Trying to be precise enough to get a knob arrow to go left or right is such a pain. Left/right click is a game changer.

[@jtffmud4335]

Yep i like it very much, feels more real to fly, these people should take a first flight on a hot summer day under some cumulus... Also something i find off in FS, i'd like your opinion on it, when you decrab the plane(any plane actually) i feel like you can stay about 10 seconds with rudder(right or left) and wings LEVEL while keeping the same track, only after you start drifting away from centerline if you don't lower the wing in the wind. IRL as soon as i decrab i must roll a little bit to keep the same track and landing is like "main right then main left and then center" Thx

[@ToddsDiscGolf]

Wow that was impressive 👍

[@adjuaadama6623]

Great commentary. I’ve always felt that their turbulence models were good, and now they feel even more natural with the update. My only issue in the past is getting mechanical turbulence when the winds were calm and the temps were mild. That was the unrealistic part. They fixed that on this go-around. But the best way to measure their work is to fly a sim flight and then soon after fly a real flight like I often do in light aircraft, and you’ll see the feel is identical. We just need a bit more work on the flight models (some 3rd party companies are doing a great job on their aircraft) and ILS glideslope behavior close to and beyond minimums and we’ll be great in MSFS2020.

[@A330Driver]

Indeed, as of now it's still quite a change after some sim flying on my days off when I'm stepping into the real aircraft again. But it's slowly but steadily getting less.

[@adjuaadama6623]

@@A330Driver Oh, definitely. I always find flying the real airplane a lot easier. But that works for me because I like the challenge of remaining disciplined in the sim (often too sensitive) to keep my skills sharp for the real world.

[@bigmaxy07]

I have never been up front but I have been in Seat 26F on approaches like this. Totally realistic !

[@imellor711]

Nice demonstration, all Asbo need to do with theee new gust feature, is to put a setting option within settings for gusts to be:, off, low, medium or realistic..then it's there for everyone who loves it and toned down for those, who don't?

[@DuckInAParticle]

It's definitely added a higher degree of difficulty getting high scores in the High Wind landing challenges section.

[@TheGarageBandSyndicate]

Haven't even watched yet, but I now know why I've had two go arounds since the update.

[@1CAG]

I had to fire up MSFS immediately after watching this :D Very good video, I totally agree.

[@FTStratLP]

Thank you Emanual for another great video. Well said about those "veteran simmers" and yes, eliminating this feature again would be a great loss.

[@davidthayer6590]

I just downloaded fsrealistic pro, and man does it make it more fun to fly.

[@bilbotbaggins1536]

Omg that looks like so much fun. They are really removing this? I haven't played since March but this actually makes me want to pick it up again. My go-to plane was the PMDG DC-6

[@ancrm1147]

I would have trouble with this approach. But I also believe that the default goal of a flight simulator is to match real world flight as closely as possible. Then various settings and assists can be added on to make it easier if desired.

[@worldgrea]

I finally had proper windshear on landings too

[@piloto2412]

Beautiful

[@A330Driver]

Thank you

[@almightyIrie]

Great! Now somebody gotta tell Asobo that we need wake turbulence next please. I remember when that one was introduced to DCS and all self-proclaimed "veteran simmers" started crying about "it's unrealistic because it's too much" etc.. Honestly most of these veteran simmers have exactly the same amount of real piloting times as i have (0 hrs, that is) and are just stuck in their bubble doing the same thing over and over again for years, feeling they know all about it (i've been there, too). That means whenever technology improvements enables flightsims to become more realistic a "veteran simmer's" world gets rocked: Formerly familiar things change to something unknown, but in their minds they knew it all for years and years already so whatever is new / changed / added "cannot be realistic" to them.

[@A330Driver]

Would *love* a good wake simulation! Just departed PMI a few days ago behind a Lufthansa A321 with minimum separation. Even though everything was legal we needed full aileron to keep the plane level when we entered their wakes. Very unfavorable wind conditions on that day which kept the wakes right in our flight path.

[@thomashuddy547]

You cannot make accurate assumptions about how realistic a simulator is without flying the actual aircraft. Having flown the 737 there are big differences in the way that the PMDG handles, rotation rate, the behaviour in the flare so on and so forth. Even the level D simulators lack complete realism when it comes to the flight model as each 737 will fly slightly differently. However, this hits the nail on the head, he is able to operate the aircraft manually down the approach in the gusty conditions and maintain somewhat stabilised approach criteria. I think this makes the sim much more dynamic, I’d happily take away the ‘on rails’ effect that you get with some simulators to introduce more sporadic and squirrely conditions. And on top of this, he still has the capacity to have a conversation about the handling (not making the aircraft ‘unflyable’). The weather is as unflyable as you want to make it in the sim, but if you ask for gusts, you are going to get them!

[@A330Driver]

Yeah, unfortunately all sim limitations ins MSFS. I pointed the same things out during the beta but nothing could be done. We've lived with these for a long time, I'm sure if MSFS would finally give us a good pitch/thrust couple nobody could fly the plane anymore.

[@YN-io6kj]

I certainly agree. I went to a level D simulator recently. I have flown the 737 for many many hours in xplane and P3D with a yoke. I was very very confident. Once getting there i couldnt do a single smooth or satisfactory landing. The aircraft are stupidly difficult to fly. The feeling of the weight of the aircraft doesnt convoy properly in any simulator apart from the professional training ones.

[@danielconlon2388]

I throughly enjoy the latest weather dynamics. All too easy to sit there aircraft perfectly calm and hit record. Where I fly irl and in sim is notorious for gusts

[@_pjd]

So simmers, keep on banging about wanting a simulation, but when it becomes too 'real' they just don't like it because it becomes too hard to fly? I really hope Asobo DO NOT dim down on the simulation factor! Thank you for the video.

[@mark_barrentine]

Well, this explains why the Kodiak which flew stable with live weather and thus seemed unrealistic in the real world prior to this upgrade now bounces around quite a bit more. I agree with 737NG, Asobo needs to keep the turbulence model as is .

[@michaelsuede]

Why can't they just add a setting for realistic gusts so people can chose what they want? I don't want it reduced either.

[@A330Driver]

yeah, I'd much rather see such an option than it being removed as well.

[@ripgfa]

Now that is a SPORTY landing!

[@flywithguy_]

I think people need to remember that this is a simulator, and not a game (although it has many game-like features). If you can't fly an aircraft in turbulent conditions in the sim, then either 1) learn to fly in those conditions 2) reduce your difficulty settings and turn off the weather. If Asobo start catering only for the less-experienced sim users, then they will be limiting a huge, but optional, market for those who like 100% realism. It should be a balance, not a bias. Ultimately, the experience can be customised to a users' liking, which should account for both those that want an easy pootle around in a C152 in fair weather, or those that want to fly a 737 into the wall of a hurricane...

[@DallosTJ]

The brighter the better