Why I'm switching from DENON to PIONEER!

[@JohnSmith-kn5wt]

We already knew why you switched within the first 5 seconds of the video. The Denons are better but you switched because that's what is already in the club. So, this video was about 8 mins too long.

[@ebow707]

Hi JohnSmith-kn5wt (who is definitely not JohnSmith-vz4sk who commented on this same video 5 days ago saying something similar) - thanks for creating a dummy account and giving my video an extra view 😂 Every little helps ;)

[@JohannesNielsen]

​@ebow707 wait until Rekord box crashes

[@ebow707]

@@JohannesNielsen oh no. Not experienced that yet but guessing it’s prone to it?

[@JohannesNielsen]

@@ebow707 Rekord box is so prone to freezing and crashing that two of my mentors from Metorick records have swapped all the DJ's they manage over to Virtual DJ and Mad Racket (Simon Caldwell) who is still on tour has done the same.

[@aarons2632]

@@ebow707I’ve had the 3000’s. I’ve never had Rekordbox crash on me. Even if it does you can just play off the USB.

[@mp3043]

10 minutes to say: "I am switching, because pioneer is the industry standard!"🙈.

[@bertm4666]

Denon was industry standard in the day. If fanboys would get off alpha-theta ( it’s not pioneer), Denon would likely be back in most booths.. Why because they make more creative DJ gear..They need to work on the quality but at the current price point I can replace two Denon Decks to one Aloha Theta.

[@backofthehouse]

real quick... no one is going to be calling it AlphaTheta. it is and will always be Pioneer. kinda like when they tried to change the name of The Sears Tower

[@jandekok9349]

What a crab, always??

[@londonpirates]

Denon was never industry standard, or at least not for the DJ/club industry. Technics were the industry standard for turntables and then Pioneer took over when it brought out the CDJ-500 and remains industry standard today with the CDJ-3000 30 years later.

[@PerformanceProjects]

​@@londonpirates Back when the standard was 1200s, the Denon 2000F (came out in 1992 and was the first ever pitch adjustable dual CD deck on the market) was in every booth next to those turntables. They were also in every bar, pub, skating rink you name it. They dominated the pro CD player market. In 2000 Pioneer came out with the CMX-5000 but it failed to take off. When they brought out the CDJ-1000 in 2002 it also did not catch on as it was clunky and did not work well. Once the CDJ-1000 MKii came out, they finally hit the nail on the head and it took off. Denon had some really cool tabletop players at the same time around 2001 with features like a motorized spinning platter and alpha deck, but since they were so massive in the DJ industry they really did not push them heavy. Once Pioneer started handing out packages of CDJ-1000 mkii and DJM 500 mixers to big name DJs to use at all their events you really saw them take off and become the standard.

[@londonpirates]

@@PerformanceProjects I'm in the UK and maybe it was different in the US but although the Denon 2000F was probably the most popular choice for pubs and mobile wedding DJs (there were plenty of alternatives from Numark, Citronic Gemini etc). 99% of dance music DJs in pirate radio studios, raves, bars, free parties and clubs etc. stuck firm with records and Technics. In 1994 the Pioneer CDJ-500 broke new ground with its top loading layout and jogwheel. The CDJ-500 made the CD format more familiar and more acceptable for dance music DJs, although there still wasn't really any significant shift to CD until the early 2000's. There wasn't ever a situation (at least not in the UK) where DJ's were putting Denon 2000F (or any other CD player) on their rider like they would with a 1210 or now with a CDJ.

[@djcolinturnbull]

I understand your thinking. I had to convert denon to pioneer to play on cdj 3000s a few weeks ago. I borrowed a cdj 3000 for a few days to run through its paces. Here’s my thought. The only thing on the cdj 3000 that is better is the platter. Everything else is out of date. The processing power can’t keep up with the software. The setup functions don’t make sense compared to some of the options in recordbox and you are extremely limited in terms of performance features compared to the denons. The performance features wouldnt be handled by the current processing power if they were added and in my opinion the device is outdated. There is latency when selecting cues and loops. This was on the most current firmware. I hope they give you what you are looking for. I would personally not make that change and just convert denon data to recordbox when you need to. If you are mostly using the players for simply playing music… then it’s fine. But for performance features.. the denons are light years ahead.

[@ebow707]

That’s a well thought out response, which I can tell has come from a lot of experience mate, thanks for sharing.

[@ArcadeObsessed]

This is a really interesting video. I thank you so much for posting this. My friend and I were actually talking about this the other day and thinking of purchasing Denon gear as we are PioneerDJ users 😊

[@ebow707]

No way! I’m interested.. what were your thoughts? And why were you considering it?

[@soundinsurgent712]

I respect your choice but I think THAT is the problem. We know which is better or like you said, "better for how you play" but if everyone keeps falling back to the so called "industry standard" how will we ever get Pioneer to raise the bar when its come to them putting out new gear??

[@ebow707]

Hi mate - thanks for the balanced response. I honestly can’t argue with that. The challenge is in the grand scheme of things I am a no one, trying to get some gigs, which is tough enough as it is to try and stand out from the crowd. I fought the good fight years ago on a different scale when everyone was playing FIFA and we few chose PES. Similar thing - some things may be better than others but swimming against the current when almost everyone else is doing the other thing makes it tough. In that case I stuck to my guns because it didn’t matter - for this though, for any change to matter it needs to come from the top down, ie promoters, venues, big DJs. Having said all that…. yep I definitely feel like a sell out still 😂

[@soundinsurgent712]

@@ebow707 Naw you didnt sell out and I totally get it, keep rocking the tables/parties no matter the brand!! Respect from IOWA!!

[@ebow707]

Respect back to you chief!

[@personal-development-strategy]

@@ebow707Not to worry, when your bigger and more famous, you can insist that you want Denton gear in your setups otherwise your not playing haha. But for now we do what’s best for us, there’s nothing wrong with that. All the best bro

[@DJ-EFKA]

Yeah vaccinated people… I dont like but i want to go out ! 😢 What a shame KEEP IT REAL ! Denon wins 🎉

[@aarons2632]

It’s like when you’re a photographer and you shoot Nikon but you pick up a Canon. It’s the same shit since it’s a camera but the menus are different.

[@ebow707]

Hahahah - that’s a great analogy!

[@chenelius]

Best luck t you. More importantly and recognisably is your undeniable commitment to pursue a dream.... theres a lot who wouldnt. Kudos for that.

[@ebow707]

Thanks mate :)

[@skvlldnb9487]

How is Engine 'limiting' for you? I have at home Engine OS related gear, and in gigs of course the setup is always cdj2000/3000 and djm900nxs up. I play dnb and I have not encountered a single issue in years of having my setup like this... I don't know if it's because I come from vinyl but tbh I don't get why people make this subject their mártir, deep down is all the same... plus you listen with your ears, not your eyes

[@ebow707]

Hi mate - thanks for the comment. I came from 1210s and before that belt drive Gemini PT2000 so only learned on vinyl. Two and a half years ago I changed to digital and a started a new journey so I understand your point and I think it’s important to have that foundation even if you are starting to learn today on digital only. Engine itself is not limiting - the choice is more of a comfort factor, and maybe I’m being a big baby about it 😂 I want to know that what I have practiced across the three decks and the MPC, is the same as in the club. There may be a point in the fact that I’m not as versatile as other DJs, so increasing familiarity with the tech made more sense for me, but get it’s drastic and there were other options.

[@danwhite7629]

It's such a shame that this company (Alpha Theta/Pioneer) have such a hold over our industry. DJ's feel backed into a corner to buy thier bland products for fear of not getting gigs if they don't. You used to see all sorts of mixers in booths. Lets just hope they don't get hold of Serato as well. To be honest we should really be making a stand rather than switching to thier platform out of pressure, but it's easier said than done.

[@ebow707]

Mate… you are right - I can’t argue with a single word you’ve said. I’ve even been calling myself a sell out the past few days 😂 I have started filming my journey on the Pioneers and there are enough differences, both in layout and in quality of features, that Im having to get used to. Genuinely feel like Denon did such a great job with their kit but the pressure of fitting in to get gigs easier has made me another sheep.

[@NueNueKiro]

Personally for 12 years and counting i haven’t switched full time to Pioneer kit and I’m still sticking to Traktor. For the money they are asking, Pioneer just doesn’t make sense and I’m not about to drop a used car price for gear that’s inferior to a 800 dolar console. My strategy has always been to just ask what kind of space they have in the booth and decide if it’s worth it to bring my s4 mk3 + x1 mk2 combo. If it’s a short set with limited space, I’ll stick to my x1 with CDJs in HID, if the space allows and/or is a longer set, it’s my full rig. I also have a Rekordboxed SD card for backups and impromptu play, but everytime i play with them i get a reminder of how tragic the looping system is and how idiotic they behave in some ways

[@londonpirates]

It's funny that we've reached a point where the only positive thing people really have to say about Pioneer over Denon is that it is 'industry standard'. The problem though is that being industry standard is super important for DJ'ing. The club grade equipment isn't really portable so most of the time you are going to be using the equipment you find at the radio studio, house party, club or wherever else you may go. Although the equipment all works in a pretty similar way if you really want to feel comfortable then is makes sense to learn your skills on the same gear. It is a real shame though because Denon really do have a great product line which in many ways is superior (and certainly cheaper). I think eventually enough people could buy Denon gear for home use that we'll see a gradual increase of Denon adoption in the clubs as those young DJ's coming through into the clubs want to be using the same gear. To prevent that the next release from Pioneer will have to not only catch up on key features but also offer additional key innovations that Denon doesn't have.

[@sharrief36]

I went from CDJ 2000 Nexus 2 to Dennon with a SC5000 and. Master Sounds Rotary Mixer. I love my set up.

[@ebow707]

Ahh you've gone the other way. And that's a strong set up. How long did it take you to re-learn what you knew?

[@sharrief36]

@@ebow707 It took about a week figuring out all the features on the Denon SC5000. For me it was an easy transition. I learned to mix on Thorens TD 125 and if you can mix on those everything else is pretty easy. I like my pioneer set up, but pioneer needs to step it up on the CDJ’s. But the new rotary mixer that they have is nice and may get it in the future. I really wish Traktor Native instruments, would come out with a four channel mixer.

[@DJ-EFKA]

Real DJ for sure ! ❤

[@dj-peterofficial2753]

I'm so happy I'm old enough to have learned to play without any digital features, but rather which part of a track I'm gonna play and quickly use some simple math to know from where to start a track to get to the mix out point on the outgoing track. Now with quantized loops and hot cues available, sometimes it makes life in the booth easier, and it speeds up the mixing when needed in a way not really possible without the digital features, but at the same time not getting dependent on those features. I'm not a famous DJ with a raider giving me what I prefer in the booth. On the contrary the clubs and managers depend on me to deliver a good experience whatever is in the booth, as long as it's Pioneer club gear, even if it is a first gen CDJ-900/2000 and a DJM-250 mixer without any effects but filter knobs. As long as the gear can read my USB's or if I get the time to prepare CD's or even a Vinyl set, I'm good to go. And no, I don't trust Engine to read my RB USB's. I've tried several times and it doesn't work. I have the Numark Mixstream Pro, and it doesn't work on that either. A huge part f how I mix rely on me using the CDJ mode which does not exist on Engine gear, and I would be stuck in the way I play real vinyl, and that's far from how I play on digital gear. But it's fun to use at home and it's interesting to see the development of Engine, and maybe one day they will implement the CDJ mode again. I don't think they realize how many of us old in the game actually prioritize to play in CDJ mode, but when they do, it shouldn't be hard to add as a new feature on a software controlled system like Denon and Numark. The question I ask is why they still only allow for an ancient analog way of cuing and starting a track, when everything else is pushing the digital agenda on all other aspects of their gear.

[@CrossFaderViking]

I completely understand mate and appreciate your dilemma; I am in the same boat - an expensive decision indeed :) Hope all is well with you now a few months in and you have got used to the difference.

[@ebow707]

@@CrossFaderViking great KZbin handle chief!!! Thanks yeah I know my way around now and yes it was an expensive decision 😂

[@ismael_biber]

Hey there, Great Video, I am myself beginning in the industry (tho still on a Pioneer DDJ-RB) and this Video really helps in deciding whether to go the Denon or Pioneer route for the next upgrade...(Probably is going to be a DDJ-1000 or DDJ-FLX10) One recommendation for future videos: try putting some kind of limiter and/or compressor on your lav-mic to reduce the occurring clipping. (If the audio is already clipped at the recorder/camera/preamp, then try reducing that pre-amplification-level and add a compressor on the channel in post-production to get the volume you want) If you have any questions about this, feel free to ask... I'm already stoked to see your future videos on discovering the CDJ World. Have fun and keep pushing ! 🔥🔥🔥

[@ebow707]

Hi - that is insane timing. I was cruising through Amazon looking for better mics cos I had issues with this one. I rarely speak on my videos so this area and knowledge is lacking - thanks so much for the advice:)

[@Birdman-jj3kf]

Just so you know, i found your channel via *DENON* not via Pioneer. you will have a whole lot to dig through when it comes to the Pioneer KZbin algorithm. To that, best of luck. IMHO you just went from being almost at the top to run downhill just to have to begin from scratch. I have been part of this industry since early 90's and i have used most dj gear under the sun, everything besides vinyl and 1200 /1210's

 To be a dj should be considered similar to being an artist, and have you seen any other artist that borrows gear from people or venues help them create art? 

A musician, painter, other types of creators as well?
No they don’t.

 There are three ways to go around this slippery slope 

1. Use the gear that is provided and hope for the best. cause in more times than one you will eventually suffer, because the stationary gear will almost be broken or worn down in some shape or form. The upkeep are seldom done the right way or in time needed. 

2. Write down a *RIDER*, cause if the promotors, agents, audience appreciate what you do, the demand for you performing will grow. And you wil lget what you ask for

 3. Bring your own gear, no matter what brand. One thing is for sure, your own gear will work at least 9 out of 10 times and will be in *PRESTINE* condition, sure you spoil the audience and the promotor or venue owner, but i do not stake my reputation on faulty gear. One more thing, if you are locked on playing bigger venues, YOU NEED TO BRING YOUR OWN PRODUCTIONS, That way your will get what you ask for both regarding economics and riders And it saddens me to see and hear that people, both young and old dj's have to sacrifice their future masterpiece like a *Mona Lisa* for lesser gear that makes absolutely no difference when it comes to development or career. Sure Pioneer, sorry Alpha Theta are in most booths, but it's also the weakest link, why? They all sound exactly the same, same filters, same boring echoes, do not matter if you stick a RMX 1000 in between, i used to love them. But now they are just boring AF. And i'm so freaking tired to pay extra for less , and also have to argue about features missing that should be a no brainer in the first place What do you think will happen to your CDJ 3000 that are also running on its last leg? (Lifecycle), absolutely no more firmware updates whatsoever, cause Pioneer have a 100% strict policy not to mess with its hardware even if it means sacrificing some customers in the long run (Paying Beta testers) To be fair James Hype are the only dj / producer that really needs X-X-X-X decks. even if he limits himself just to loop, hot-cue and echo / noise his sets But i respect the mans hustle he is making bank and gets to tour the world. Big ups for that. I know what it means to drop 7-10K on dj gear, i'm even contemplating to buy the Opus Quad, more because its a furniture then pure dj gear. it would suit my studio when it comes to design, but on the other hand, there will be a couple of firmware updates, 3 usbs are not enough, no real performance pads. Bluetooth takes forever to connect and much more. i played 4 cdjs long before even sync were a thing. and buying three or four 3000$ decks just to loop or hotcue is waste of capital, especially when wages for djs are decreasing, i know for a fact djs that get payed $50/€ per 5-6hrs evening shifts at local clubs, and to ad insult to injury, they get fewer and fewer gigs as well and that will take them forever to repay that 8-10K investment. Denon had 4 deck play in the early 2000s, nothing new, just it was way harder to keep everything aligned.

So the point being is this, do not let hardware or software limit your potential stardom, personally i use whatever gear that can help me evolve as a dj, and the most important thing, besides gear and all the tricks and effects in the world, is the music. It’s more important to play the right tracks then beatmixing 100% all of the time.

To me as a technician i think Denon are lightyears ahead of Alpha Theta. They are running on fumes right now, same as Apple when it comes to their design and price.

So when you deside to scrap your CDJ 3000, the DN6000 just got a new Engine OS update.

They have so much going on for them, owning all the brands under their umbrella like *AKAI* 
just take a look at Ableton link, or sound-switch in the hardware itself, *GENIOUS* 

Most promotors, venue owners are cheap and do not want to pay the extra for good equipment, thats why you almost only see the CDJ 3000s on big festival, but ask yourself one question, why do they need 7-8 machines in a booth if they are so reliable? *Wish you the best of luck, Watching your pure joy in your heart and genuine smile, alone should get you to the top*

[@ebow707]

Hi Birdman - this was a great read - thanks for sharing. I’ve been around since the late 90s too so we share some history going through the technology. There are a lot of fair points in your message and I can’t address everything. I got heavily back into DJing though only 2 to 3 years ago (I was a vinyl purist so I can’t believe how much I have embraced where we are today). Using the MPC One with my music has made me fall back in love with the creative side of DJing and got me into producing (I’m very junior at that though). In short - I couldn’t agree more - DJing is about playing the right music and i hope that the tech choice I have made sees me through that.

[@Birdman-jj3kf]

​@@ebow707 No biggie man, glad i could help 😀 On a side note, have you looked at Ethan Leo's page? That man is on another level completely. If Hype is a master of loops and Accapellas, Leo is a musical geneious that incorporate so much more technical marvel, he is so underrated. Not really fair., but hey, life isn't fair at all. Be sure to look up RipX Daw as well, if you want clean Accapellas in you sets, that you make yourself. Works well, just need a fast computer. PC / Mac doesn't matter 👍

[@ArnoldChitambira-nm3fi]

I've always felt that a good dj is one that can play using almost anything and still deliver a dope set. I feel modern djs are too reliant on modern technology and not the exciting challenge of creating a beautiful set regardless of what you use.

[@ebow707]

Hi chief - I understand that point it’s a really fair opinion. I’ve def fallen into the trap of being a modern DJ, far cry from just turning up with my records. The one thing I love about where the tech has gone is I love live remixing/ creating an edit of a track. Not saying you couldn’t still learn do that regardless of tech, but you definitely become more dependent on the tech for sure as the path of least resistance. Def with you on the main aim should be creating a beautiful set regardless ❤️

[@ArnoldChitambira-nm3fi]

@@ebow707 Yes I agree with you on this. Tech is really good and exciting for sure. I also love where things are going with tech. I just feel we can also maintain the authentic feel of live mixing with almost any hardware. I've seen an increasing number of djs who refuse to play if certain tech isn't there. They forget that almost 100% of the audience know nothing about the tech how it works. They just wanna have a good time. I do feel you on your point. Big up brother. ⚡👊🏾⚡

[@LATRONNIK]

yea people like dubfire or richie hawtin just use some crappy allen&heath controller and do crazy sets with them

[@spacecy]

exactly my thoughts. take away all the non-essential features like, screens, auto-loops, etc.. and see how many DJs fail to mix properly. I'm glad i was able to learn to mix on very old hardware, learned the core basics that will allow me to mix on any equipment.

[@ebow707]

@@spacecy feel you on that comment mate. You need your ears even today. I’m constantly stretching samples and sounds on the MPC which rely on being able to hear whether the sound is in time, too fast or too slow.

[@DjVloggers]

I can respect your decision. I, on the other hand, switched to DENON DJ several years ago and never looked ‘back’. I highlighted ‘back’ because I’m no longer finding Pioneer DJ’s equipment forward thinking. I decided to no longer fall in line with the crowd but to push the envelope with new technology. That was my thinking back in 2004 when I changed to Pioneer DJ and today with the move to DENON DJ. Cheers and good luck on your career.

[@ebow707]

@@DjVloggers thanks mate. I’m loving the gear but I can’t disagree with the forward thinking comment. Monopoly definitely stifles innovation in this case it seems

[@prizegotti]

Pioneer DJ is dead bro. They're not even made by Pioneer any more. They haven't put out anything "pioneering" since 2014, since then they have been playing catchup with other brands. Now it's just a subscription based bullshit box. Can't even turn the thing on without being forced to sign up for a trial.

[@ebow707]

Hey - yeah that’s a fair statement and I only just heard about being forced to sign up for a trial last weekend on another KZbinr’s video, which doesn’t sound particularly legal. I’m not sure why but I haven’t had to since I had them but I’m not going to complain as it would def annoy me.

[@grahamkelly8662]

I mixed with my pioneer djm 600 for years paired with 1210’s and loved it. Never cared for cd’j or any digital. I still love and will always love vinyl Going to shop to buy Getting in post Opening for first time Placing that special vinyl on deck Artwork etc But I’ve unfortunately had a long break from dj’ing and now I’m looking to get back into it and I decided to go digital. I’m still keeping my turntables but as I really can’t play loud music, I’ve opted to buy the Denon sc live 4 standalone controller with built in speakers (don’t laugh) but they may be quiet enough for me to get back to the thing I love. I don’t need laptop, extra speakers and I can even use a power bank and mix in my garden kitchen or even go over the park. I almost bought pioneer standalone controller or cd’j 3000 but as I can’t play loud music and the Amazon music unlimited really appeals to me and sc live 4 only cost me £900 Cd’j are £2000 plus each Denon prime 4 plus is £2000 Pioneer standalone from £1500- around £2,800 Considering I can’t play loud, I think I made right choice. I just stumbled across these 2 incredible U.K. garage compilation cds on Amazon and they have so many songs from my teens and both cds have 60 odd tracks. Can’t wait to mix em. Oh and I hope you enjoy your pioneer setup. If you was getting rid and had the Denon lc6000? The player without the screen, I would have offered to buy them from you. If anyone sees this, is it worth buying the Denon LC6000 to go with Denon sc live 4? I understand they don’t have all the bells like the bigger brother with screen but I have amazon streaming with sc live 4 so I think it may be decent enough. I don’t really need them but I do like making my setup nicer and they may come in handy.

[@ebow707]

Hi mate - love this response. It’s hard isn’t it - I was a vinyl only purist and eventually got myself the Prime 2 - that was also after a bit of a break so maybe that made it easier. Mate - I’m not laughing at the Live, good choice and understand the chance it gives you to not have to play loud. I had the Prime 4 at one stage and hooked up the LC to that and it just made it easier to move around so I would recommend it. If you go back to some of my first videos on here you’ll see the set up (both with and without the LC) - maybe that’ll give you some ideas of looks and ease of use :)

[@ao6677]

great story... just got back into Djing after 15 years. All my previous gears were cheaper brand and made sure i did enough research before buying the right gear again to avoid the same mistake years back. I bought Pioneer gears based on research and recommendation from other djs i know

[@ebow707]

@@ao6677 thanks chief. Great to hear you’re getting back into it too after a long hiatus. The scene has definitely changed and it’s a lot of fun relearning

[@deadlymarsupial1236]

If I were to be idealistic, it should be industry standard for DJ booths to have enough desk space to accommodate 3 DJ setups so you're not walking all over each-other, particularly to minimize the possibility of having to set up while another is performing. Only in competitions should set up during another's performance should ever happen, otherwise set up should be before the event commences. This to me is like restricting a performing musician to a particular brand of synth or guitar and stifles innovation and uniqueness in the performer's style.

[@ebow707]

I love this comment!

[@toxiccannibalreloaded4001]

Thanks for your video. I am new to all this. I narrowed down to demon dj4+ and pioneer dj opus quad. Well I picked the opus to order. Your video made me feel more at ease for my decision of the purchase.

[@ebow707]

@@toxiccannibalreloaded4001 ah good I’m happy it helped you. Sure it must have arrived by now and you’ll be enjoying them! Good luck!

[@christopherneedham5872]

I come across you on a Denon fb group.I love and use Denon but have no aspirations to play in clubs…No hard feelings from me bro👊 …mans gotta do what a man’s gotta do…keep smashing the sets out 💪

[@ebow707]

Cheers Chris. Yeah I remember seeing you on the Denon official group. Good to see you chief and thanks for the kind words :)

[@DJ-EFKA]

Do what you love, not what the others want from you ! ❤

[@DjXCENTRiC]

I've done the same exact thing because of this reason. It's about being comfortable even though you're able to use both. Pioneer is standard everywhere.

[@ebow707]

Ah really. It’s a big decision isn’t it!

[@DjXCENTRiC]

@@ebow707 It was yes, and losing some features, but being completely comfortable in front of a crowd was way more important.

[@Waxley]

I would of gone to pirate studios for couple of hours with a usb pre exported from rekordbox see how they felt for you first , Im still on my turntables for now hopefully get some players in the very near future although ive ordered some control vinyl so might stick with the turntables and take my own advice 🤣🤣🤣

[@ebow707]

Haha fair. Love that you are on turntables! I used Serato with time code vinyl for a while too. It’s a great half way house to keep that vinyl feel while freeing up the opportunity to download tracks from Beatport!

[@Waxley]

@@ebow707 Ive got a ton of digital too as i have an sb controller so its all good never used dvs looking forward to it

[@WeekendGrooves]

The Denons are a much better product, pioneer are going downhill so I wonder how long it will be before Denon (or someone) takes over the market share. All that subscription stuff is the last nail in the coffin I think.

[@ebow707]

I just watched a really good video on here by @deejayplaza with a similar outlook as you mentioned. He gave some good insight and also mentioned the subscriptions being the death of their reign.

[@djNineshoxxx]

Do you brudda i use Denon if Pioneer makes something of use to me ill use that don’t use a product simply based on the brand use it based on how it improves your circumstances

[@54dbruno]

What are the denon’s build quality like…. I like to go against the grain, I mainly use traktor S8… I have a couple of little xdj700’s so I don’t forgot how to navigate rekordbox when I play out… I hear to many horror stories about demon but I still want to try them 😂😂🤣🤣

[@ebow707]

Hi mate - this is obviously my personal opinion and I have heard the same as you, but I think the build quality on Denon was great. I think the horror stories are people’s bad experiences but that can happen on any tech. The support was ok, not great but not bad - a little slow but fortunately I bought mine through BOP DJ so I realised I could just take to them and they would organise the fix. I think since though Denon are no longer working with them for ongoing support … Personally I think Denon are great - my choices to switch were not because of build quality or features. I think you’ll love them

[@ghettoshampoo]

It's understandable. I made a partial swap to Pioneer, but it was adding an S11 and a CRSS12, for different reasons obviously. The quirks of each toolset are sort of beside the point. It will always be about the music and vibe.

[@ebow707]

Thanks chief. Especially your last comment. It’s my same music collection, same style etc so the vibe will remain the same…just a new tool :)

[@DeejayWilly]

i have pioneers and was thinking of buying denons. and from your vid now i insist on buying denons. no venue nor management can force me to use some equipment over others. u want me to mix then i use what i like to use. think about it

[@veganbadass]

Denon SC6000M = 100% amazing except for how small the platter is... wish it was 10" for tighter cuts and scratches. But other than that the Denons destroy the Pioneers. Double digital outs, excellent feel buttons, fantastic digital display, fx, cues, loops, USB 3.2 inputs x 3 PLUS a SATA bay - I have a 2T solid state drive. If you mastered mixing, beat juggling and scratching in the 90's on vinyl like I did, then the Denons are state of the art

[@coqfier]

Before, I was all about pioneer and when I discovered denon I was in wow mode, they found the Samsung of the DJ set a serious competitor to pioneer which can be assimilated to Apple by its popularity and its more acceptable social side mixed with pioneer Denon has a bright future ahead of him

[@ebow707]

That is a really good way to explain the differences - Samsung vs Apple. I also think Denon will do really well - I think they are finding the right market to position themselves in, which doesn’t necessarily always have to compete with Pioneer, and are getting lots of people, including myself, back into DJing :)

[@upstarter]

A few probs with this video. Its not my opinion, but widely accepted internets opinion that pioneers fx are a good deal better overall, minus some outliers. Second this was just a "it's not in the club" post so "THIS MEETING SHOULD'VE BEEN AN EMAIL."

[@angusgibbins4954]

I like Denon and I like Engine DJ but... I don't want to manage multiple libraries and we all know what you're going to find in clubs. I know Denon works with rekordbox but it works better, natively with Engine.

[@ebow707]

Hey chief, yeah I chose Engine for those reasons although I actually couldn’t pinpoint, because I didn’t so as much research into that side of it, what you gained by using the native tooling, it just seemed to make more sense. However, in hindsight even choosing Rekordbox with Denon might be a good angle for those looking for flexibility- like you say fewer libraries to manage and if you make the change - at least from a software perspective you are already there.

[@angusgibbins4954]

@@ebow707 But again, Denon works better with Engine than it does rerkordbox. How I play at home is with my CDJs linked to my home network and rekordbox running in Export Mode on my desktop, having to export to USB when I'm doing stuff at home is a dealbreaker for me. I know you can import your rekordbox library into Engine and I know there's third party tools available, but I basically want to live and die in one app.

[@ThomasWaschko]

Wjy I switched sucessfull to dJay Pro and the Relloop Mixtour and Mixtour Pro. The future of Djing!

[@jazzyjase123]

All the very best in your decision and new tech. Pioneer gear more expensive, less feature rich on cdj’s but pioneer mixer way better. End of the day it’s down to the end user. You’ve chosen a new path, all the very best to you.

[@ebow707]

Thanks mate, much appreciated. Everything you’ve said is spot on.

[@saxyrep1]

I'm genuinely a Denon fanboy and still think it's the future. That said, for what it's worth, I respect his choices. Best of luck!

[@ebow707]

Hey @saxyrep1 - thanks for the balanced view - appreciate it.

[@djvdjvDJV]

Hey bro. Totally understand where your coming from. I'm currently on denon and have been considering changing only because of the fact that I get the opportunity I want to be ready also

[@ebow707]

You sound like me chief. I know I need to feel comfortable with something to take away that added pressure

[@djvdjvDJV]

@ebow707 totally get you bro. Love the technology of denon but if I get asked to play somewhere big then..... the fear is real 😊😉😉

[@RichardFaulhaber]

I rented some pioneer players after a few hours I had them figured out.

[@djvdjvDJV]

@@RichardFaulhaber I have had Pioneer in the past, just not CDJ's

[@krisyflynt9211]

So basically pioneer paid you money.

[@ebow707]

Hi chief. I am unfortunately at this moment just a man on KZbin with a small channel doing what I love. I hope to be big enough one day that companies pay me to do what I do. Until then, it’s just me, myself and I.

[@yokelectronic]

Excellent video and definitely a tough decision to make. Making the swap levels the playing field for you and makes you more flexible... Keep pushin bro 💥😎

[@ebow707]

Yeah was tough. Got a bit of work to do now to get myself back up to speed!!!

[@jungle1smass1ve]

If you are still using a controller/player that requires you to prepare files via rekordbox - you are a dinosaur. Pioneer is no longer a pioneer it used to be, so switching to a stone age isn't something to brag about...

[@jamespurcell4816]

Good content mate and smart decision. You say Denon suits your DJ style, that's purely because you've learnt your craft on them. Pioneer are industry leaders for a reason and you'll no doubt get up to the same comfortable standard you're used to. You also don't want to become a nuisance for venues, like you say, the pleasure of being able to plug and play will make everyone's life easier.

[@ebow707]

Thanks mate. That nuisance bit def hits home. Hate to say it but back in the day whether the club had 1210s, Numark’s, Gemini’s or Vestax…it really didn’t matter as long as you had your vinyl. I love today’s tech but it’s also a headache at times 😂

[@aarons2632]

The Denon shit has had tons of features Pioneer hasn’t for years. The reality of it is that if you want to play somewhere other than your house it would not hurt to be familiar with Pioneer because that is most likely what you will find 99% of the places you go anywhere on this earth….ive had the cdj 3000’s. It looks like I’m switching to Denon because Pioneer shit is just too expensive. You get way more stuff for way less money with Denon. The literal only downside to Denon from what I can see so far is simply that Pioneer is the more common brand.

[@ebow707]

You summed it up pretty well aarons!

[@Ras1Roy]

did he ever state why he was switching? i stepped off @ 3:02!

[@ebow707]

Haha yeah. Want to make it easier for myself knowing the gear in clubs

[@softwaregear24]

I still have my Denon pioneer for the studio and Denon is my on to go gigs

[@JFK3333333]

You should not compromise like you did. If you have a certain rider, promoters have to respect it

[@h930hec]

This is why I want the RX3 Standalone controller... as close to a club setup as possible. I can't afford CDJ's, but best to learn on the Pioneer club eco system

[@ebow707]

That makes sense. I definitely should have thought more like this when I was thinking about my set up.

[@DidierWolfs]

The closest would be the Opus

[@zsoltkorompay6932]

Pio is the standard, hence you moved away from Denon. This video has no more information than that.

[@petero1068]

Denon’s are far more superior than Pioneer. Don’t care what the clubs have… don’t mind bringing mine.5:29 Someone can easily ask the same in reverse. Using CDJs doesn’t make you any more of a DJ than walking into a McDonalds makes you a Big Mac.

[@Jay-od3fh]

So basically, it's because he doesn't know how to use the gear lol

[@ebow707]

Extremely fair summary 😂

[@ezedjay]

You're def better of having those if you're gonna play in clubs or whatever. It's like having Technics1210s back in the 90's. Standard kit you'll find everywhere.

[@ebow707]

Was easier when it was the old 1210s lol - worst thing you had to worry about was leaving your vinyl cooking behind a window on a sunny day and warping it 😂

[@PeteSherriff]

Great vid but for the love of god, please fix your cam angle, don’t need to see the cables bit do need to see your head. Tilt up just slightly. 👍🏾

[@ebow707]

Haha - yeah I thought this afterwards too. Glad you enjoyed the video despite that chief - thanks!

[@PeteSherriff]

No worries, I like the way you presented the issue, I had exactly the same issue, plus those three band waveforms Vs the RGB, RGB wins everytime.

[@mario312]

finding myself in a similar situation, getting some CDJ’s but i don’t know if i can commit to the mixer

[@ebow707]

That’s awesome! I’m loving them now I’m over the worst of it. Good luck chief!

[@clintz7147]

Can not wait to upgrade from my xz & cdj mk2 to exactly what you got. I think the best way to feel and be comfortable with the club/festival gear is to invest in your passion. Pioneer rules 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@ebow707]

Ah that’s exciting! I’ve been loving my journey on them so far

[@luisfreitas886]

Denon... Free of subscriptions!

[@IanDeVos]

That loop thing would be cool... 🤔 But indeed. Path of least resistance. Back in the day I used to DJ with timecode CD's with my laptop. And I had a gig. That was in 2010. The swapping cables while my intro track on CD was playing was nerve wracking. And then swapping back over to the next DJ... Horrible. Pioneer DJ / Alpha Tetha's eco system has the market cornered. It's kinda sad. I'm a DDJ-FLX10 user with Rekordbox and I like using it instead of Serato which I hate. But it kinda stings that I'm basically locked in while they're chilling on their ass because they have a monopoly regardless of how good or bad their products are.

[@ebow707]

Mate - you said it! It stings and I don't think its going to change. I love tech (I work in the tech sector) so I love all the development we have in this area, but there is also something to be said for keeping it simple. Ahh you've had the swapping cables while everything is going on experience too !!! Was all I could think about, instead of getting my head ready for my set.

[@naukadladzieci]

sad the monopoly of one brand makes Djs submit to Pioneer. Pioneer was behind for so many years, they just sleepy and late while laptops with controllers could do much more. This is not the freedom what Djing was always about.

[@JasonTheCosta]

Hi, useful video! I’m interested to know more about the competitions. Do you win slots to perform at different events?

[@ebow707]

Hi chief. Yeah there are several going about and they give me something else to focus on as well as contacting promoters and networking. I Google them or you often see them advertised by venues /festivals on Insta. Eg there is one on Insta right now under the account ESSNCE for a slot at their launch tunnel club Birmingham. It’s on the date I’m getting married 😂

[@JasonTheCosta]

Thanks I’m defo gonna check them out and work towards it. Haha decisions decisions ..🤣

[@DJSaraOakley]

are you sureyou can't set up an active loop, i rekordbox on my ddj-1000 and i can on that so i would assume you can on the 3000's kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWLJXpytj7WMpNUsi=yqy2CKaFQ-_Z-YBY

[@ebow707]

Hi Sara - yes you absolutely can on both Denon and Pioneer. There’s a third type of loop you can set up on Denon which is what I meant which behaves like an active loop but you engage it yourself once you enter the loop zone. I have got used to not having it now. Thanks for watching and commenting :)

[@baldmandj4559]

Why not just use rekordbox prepped library with your denons at home and have them ready when you play on cdjs.... thats what I do and ive never had issues moving between my sc6000s and cdj3000s

[@LATRONNIK]

people are just trying to cope in these vids grasping for any reasons to justify paying 3k for ONE media player lmao

[@ebow707]

@@LATRONNIK not sure about making a video to cope buddy. I don’t mind investing in myself if I’m serious about my goal but understand it’s easier to make a flippant comment rather than watch the video and understand my reasoning why…

[@ebow707]

Hi chief - sorry been ill a few days so slow on replying . It’s a fair question which I considered. I didn’t trust myself to be good enough when just stepping up to them. The mechanics although similar are different enough for me that since I got them, I have now been getting up to speed, but initially I was all over the place, slow to make things work, things behave slightly differently etc.. There’s a good chance you’re more versatile than me too… im not great at change and prefer to be overly prepared, but you’re right rekordbox was another legitimate route.

[@eduardoluz2327]

When the music is boring as nowadays , is more important creating loops .

[@johnsmith-vz4sk]

you obviously thin denon gear "is no good as I am limiting myself" lmao you dont need to justify your decisions to randoms ! 🤣

[@ebow707]

Fair comment. Sharing with people was less about justification and more about sharing my experience….like other people do every day on KZbin. What’s wrong with sharing 😂

[@bboymac84]

I went to DJ at a club with a usb with tracks analyzed by Rekordbox from a professional record pool and the songs still didn’t read🤷🏾‍♂️. Denon will work no matter what! Pioneer just sucks even with build quality from my club experience. Clubs still allow superstar DJs to use laptops 🤷🏾‍♂️💻 so this is garbage 🗑️

[@TamaSamuel]

Industry standard is BS. Its got nothing to do with the Dj industry and everything to do with manufacturers off DJ equipment. I use what I like what works for me. To many fan boys to many sheep and these manufacturers are eating this ish up. F industry standard. Do you.

[@QRS365]

Pioneer is over rated. Lotta ppl tend to go with Pioneer because they see other ppl have it. Lotta clubs started out with the Pioneer equipment because it was the leader back then due to no real competition. Now there are really good gears out there but I don’t think it’s profitable for the clubs to throw out their Pioneer gears and invest in something new such as the Denon

[@bboymac84]

Pioneer in terms of features are simply far far behind in times. Denon is just far superior! It’s just that simple. You only switching because clubs use them. If the clubs used denon you’d jump ship…🤷🏾‍♂️

[@5lip5pace]

pioneer, offering yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices!

[@ebow707]

@@5lip5pace hahahahah - great comment - true true

[@djtoshiba]

and thats how the monopoly is feed !

[@anwaypasible]

man, i thought you were gonna be talking about home theater receivers. 🤣 i was gonna say you are simply happier because the pioneer has more power & i fail to see how not, because pioneer is the industry leader in power & efficiency, though they sound like junk as they are anything but discrete amplifiers. in the discrete sense, their best is only 21hz. mine is 16hz, as is yours should also be too, unless you live in a tiny ass apartment, but then you wouldn't be needing the pioneer anything.

[@ebow707]

Hahaha - that’s made me laugh 😂 Sorry chief! I hadn’t even thought it might come across as that. You know your stuff though on this topic. Thanks for taking it with a smile even though it’s not what you came for :)

[@anwaypasible]

@@ebow707 as for DJ gear, the denon's feel nicer, not just the outside is more smooth, but also the texture when you spin a knob, but they simply aren't as (heavy-)dut(y). oh, i'm sure the denon's also smell more nice. now you know what dut smells & feels like, so you could pick electronics with your eyes closed. nice of you to let me explain the reason of your come-up.

[@anwaypasible]

i was talking about the feeling of the knobs inner guts where the two spots connect when it spins (the potentiometer) & the knobs that slide onto the potentiometer's stick feel so much more comfortable, they work just like a lay z boy chair does, it forces more laziness to come.

[@anwaypasible]

okay, so really what happened was, i seen the beginning of your first hashtag in the video description, but i couldn't read the rest where it said DJ because it was too big to fit inside the size of the allotted window.

[@hardkore360]

I have a better option, Technics + Phase, best of vinyl and digital.

[@djsonofibiza]

Good luck paying for recordbox

[@glenkean3407]

Brown envelope video.

[@ebow707]

Haha. Yes but instead of a brown envelope it was a small plastic rectangular card and instead of money going into it, money came out of it. On a serious note - wish I was that successful that people would pay me to use their stuff chief. For now it’s just my passion.

[@GamerNycteris]

Because they paid you to do so rest is just waste of time over poor excuses. Have a nice day

[@ebow707]

@@GamerNycteris 😂😂 have you seen the size of my channel. Who do you think is paying a tiny content creator with almost zero influence 😂 Have a nice day

[@busywl69]

lot of blah blah here lol. should have just done a short.

[@jandekok9349]

hello what bull story. so i understand it ,your a beginner , and thats ok. but wy 3 cdj s in your bedroom.????? nonsens!! and make no sense. a good dj can play on a cdj or a sc stand alone, thats not a major difference ok for a beginner maybe, but its easy to learn.

[@ClaireMcMurdock]

Wow jealousy at it's finest. Such an unattractive trait to have. Why have 1 when you can have 3?

[@DeejayWilly]

BIG MISTAKE and u know it. just admit it

[@djmikit001]

Ahhh I know you will always going to move onto Pioneer was not a question of if but when. Looking forward seeing how you do.

[@ebow707]

Hahahahah.

[@QRS365]

Pioneer is over rated. Lotta ppl tend to go with Pioneer because they see other ppl have it. Lotta clubs started out with the Pioneer equipment because it was the leader back then due to no real competition. Now there are really good gears out there but I don’t think it’s profitable for the clubs to throw out their Pioneer gears and invest in something new such as the Denon