Why I Prefer VTOL VR Over DCS - (Not clickbait!)

[@theVRpilot]

Are you going to give it a shot?! Steam Link VTOL - VR. store.steampowered.com/app/667970/VTOL_VR/

[@sahhull]

Not for me.. Tried vr. Couldn't get along with it. I'll happily keep my trackIR

[@theVRpilot]

@@sahhull TrackIR is still amazing! What is your go to flight sim? DCS/MSFS?? btw - the bigger the screen with TrackIR the better the experience. I just found that out lol

[@sahhull]

@@theVRpilot DCS. I use an old 42 inch TV as a monitor.

[@theVRpilot]

Perfect!

[@reedgalbraith219]

the new update left me salivating. boundless dynamics added weather and a lot of other quality of life stuff if you haven't already checked it out.

[@Foxtrop13]

I like that vtol vr doesnt have a size of gazillion gigabytes

[@theVRpilot]

WOW! I just checked with all planes, dozens of liveries, dozens of missions and the ENTIRE game, I am at 3.33GB! Never have I had that amount of HDD space provide this much VR enjoyment lol. 3.33GB is the size of one cloud in DCS! lol

[@kugelblitzkrieg]

Also all current DLC combined is the price the game itself. Don’t need to drop upwards of $100 for a single module.

[@ElementAVGM]

I have both and I LOVE both. I wouldn't say VTOL is better, just that its more accessible and easier to understand. I teach all my friends how to fly on VTOL first and them take them to DCS and a lot of it transfers over tbh. but yes, VTOL VR is underappreciated and by far the flight experience VR has to offer. See you in Vegas btw! I fly out of Orlando / Kissimmee as a CFI, and I'm certain I've heard you over freq before when i do cross countries out there to tampa, looking forward to meeting you!

[@theVRpilot]

I think you said it best, the quick accessibility and quicker learning curve makes it easier to introduce new folks. That's my hope with this video for folks to get inspired and jump in if they are on the fence. I love the idea of VTOL VR then DCS lol. Smart! Say hi if you see me! Ill have a chat going on Discord for FS EXPO so we can connect there if things get crazy . discord.gg/GAjDbSPgXd Oh snap! Yeah man I am only certified on the 119.9 135.5 165.05 118.5 which is the east sector that connects to 119.4/128.37/120.15 over at Orlando so yeah, I work this 6 days a week haha, we have definitely spoken!

[@ElementAVGM]

@@theVRpilot yess, i’ve definitely spoken to you on 119.9 before then! i’ll see you then

[@bigbangerz5856]

isn't that what the Flaming Cliffs product line within DCS is designed to though? What I do think is fair and accurate (particularly for new players) is DCS being a major time hog to get up and running well and when you add VR on top it can take days if not week of ur life. Then if you put it down for an extended period you risk regressing back to square one and face that barrier again. DCS does have an 'ease of access' issue unless you're using it regularly so I can see why VTOL VR would be a good starting place for simmers going all in for DCS or MSFS you risk bouncing off the accessibility unless very committed.

[@shipbuildingx]

I see many people using VTOL like this, it would be so cool if VTOL was the official training app for DCS 🙂

[@MNTimBuktu]

One thing I wish DCS and IL2 had is a quick start for their missions, meaning you start at the action instead of the whole flight to the action. It ends up being 20 minutes of basic flying for like 5 minutes of action half the time. I know people want extreme realism, but I don't have an hour to ignore my family for one mission lol. I know they have single quick missions, but there aren't many.... , but the campaigns seem really cool to me, but I don't have the time to do them with all the travel time.

[@theVRpilot]

Yup and you get exact what you’re saying here in DCS. Even when starting on the ramp you’ll be often on target 5 minutes. Smaller map yes, but don’t discount it. It’s pretty epic.

[@algroyp3r]

DCS has many instant action missions for most modules, it does exactly what you say. You can also try the dogfighting servers in MP.

[@FrederickMeyers-c6d]

I can't wait to try this myself it does look fun and right up my ally I been waiting for something like this for a long time then I discovered dcs then vtol vr I'm going vtol vr first I know I'm gonna love this thanks developer your a genius dude.

[@theVRpilot]

Awesome! Lmk what you think of it. There is a small learning curve, but it’s half the fun! Most folks on servers are helpful and willing to teach if you ask questions.

[@Red17201O]

Now funny thing, I think vtol vr is better than dcs because of the clouds from public testing.

[@theVRpilot]

NICE! I am updating to beta today when I get home from working overtime lol.

[@bonesoneuropa1610]

but dcs has clouds?

[@Red17201O]

@@bonesoneuropa1610 but vtol has clouds which = better

[@theVRpilot]

DCS is amazing. Clouds are epic. VTOL recently got clouds in beta. Again, the win is the simplicity and the ability to jump in and out quickly! But I love DCS too.

[@Red17201O]

@@theVRpilot Fair, for the most part the DCS clouds look better but that's because the developer can't make the clouds too performance heavy.

[@KoalaTContent]

I like that I don't need to set up my HOTAS or worry about bindings to fly. I bought a nice sim rig for racing but even the minor barrier of getting into VR then getting into the rig is enough for me to just not for some reason. VTOL lets me just boot straight in

[@theVRpilot]

Great point.

[@TCrag]

VTOL is a masterpiece.

[@theVRpilot]

It is! Also new video up on MSFS 2024. Top 10 VR Questions Answered for MSFS 2024! - Is Virtual Reality Supported YES! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6qWcoqagMiXiZY

[@DaiN9636]

Brother, could you PLEASE make a video that will teach a NOOB like myself to understand and speak to and as ATC? I enter those lobbies sometimes and i would love to participate but i have no idea how to start getting into it at all.. The simplest tutorials i've found are still too complicated for me (and many other newbies out there i presume) and require at least a little bit of previous knowledge to understand.

[@theVRpilot]

Great idea! Join my discord in the vid description so we can chat. Top 10 VR Questions Answered for MSFS 2024! - Is Virtual Reality Supported YES! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6qWcoqagMiXiZY

[@afroamasiaca]

Nuclear Option is nice if you need a break from DCS

[@theVRpilot]

Yes! It’s so good!

[@spyhardman]

VTOL VR truly is impressive. Did you ever try the same dev's other game, Jetborne Racing? It may be hard to get a full lobby going these days (it was never very popular, and it's been a while now), but it's an absolute blast.

[@theVRpilot]

Woah! I never heard of it, I will check it out.

[@iceman90734]

Was excited to see your take on Vtol from someone who plays and loves both...but then you said you're ATC at TPA and I'm over here next to PIE like ay yo!

[@theVRpilot]

Haha!!! yooooo!

[@ravenheartwraith]

I'm an old flight simmer from the beginning of flight sims on computers, and even though having physical cockpits and stuff is nice, there is still a disconnect because you are looking at a screen. being IN the cockpit and using your virtual hands to manipulate it is just a whole other level that you can't get anywhere else. VTOL VR is my favorite flight sim. It's a good mix of serious realism and ease of use. It's no DCS, but it's also no Ace Combat Arcade shit either .

[@HomeDefender30]

Simplified realism. All the principles are there, but presented in an easy to understand interface. The game still has a steep learning curve if you want to use it to its maximum potential though, that’s what I love about it. I have hundreds of hours in the game and I still haven’t taken the time to adequately learn jamming, how to use any of the drones, buddy lasing or how to fly the damn helicopter. 😂

[@theVRpilot]

Agreed! Top 10 VR Questions Answered for MSFS 2024! - Is Virtual Reality Supported YES! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6qWcoqagMiXiZY

[@algroyp3r]

I like the game a lot, but I dislike the HOTAS VR controls coming from a physical stick. The throttle is fine, but I have a poor image of where my stick is deflected, and don't even get me started on yaw.

[@theVRpilot]

lol! Yaw is a bit wild at times. My solution has been to really set myself correctly on an office chair that has armrest where my elbows are at 90* and comfortable, adjusting the in game seat height and then adjusting control position. Maybe see if you can adjust those a bit to have a better grip for the hotas and yaw twist, but yes you are correct yaw can get funky especially under pressure and in a dog fight I often twist without realizing it lol. But I’ve learned to not do that as much

[@algroyp3r]

@@theVRpilot I will probably give it another shot with a better setup. You can use actual pedals for yaw, right? I have them now.

[@Sqwallify]

Been playing a lot of VTOL lately unfortunately DCS is so time consuming I like that I don’t have to setup a stick head tracking pedals. It’s genuinely nice just need to boot up the pc and put the headset on and go

[@theVRpilot]

That’s my point! I love DCS, but vtol, as a dad, husband, and busy man is so convenient and fun! Top 10 VR Questions Answered for MSFS 2024! - Is Virtual Reality Supported YES! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6qWcoqagMiXiZY

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Damn I NEED to try this. Great video buddy.

[@theVRpilot]

Yes! Lmk they have a trainer aircraft T-55. I’d love to take you up on your first flight and get you acclimated!

[@theclassicliberal1915]

Pretty sure I saw Jeff Favignano in the background at the flight Sim expo

[@theVRpilot]

Yes! He was there, I got to walk over and say hi to him!

[@theclassicliberal1915]

@@theVRpilot very nice. Been a long time follower of his. Also just discovered your channel. Loving it. I’m a big sim pilot myself with an incredible flight sim set up as well. I Started a channel called 5th Gen fighter that I’m hoping to start uploading to one day. Keep evolving and flying

[@theVRpilot]

​@@theclassicliberal1915 Yeah man same! It was funny, I consider myself a nobody and to have people recognize me a bit was interesting, but I was so excited to go up and meet him haha. I'd love to see your setup! My advice for your content is to....just hit RECORD. lol. You will likely be your own worst critic and getting over that hump and realizing that folks prefer different vs perfection is key. HMU on discord if you want to chat more or need help.

[@theclassicliberal1915]

@@theVRpilot great advice and you are correct, I am my own worst enemy. It’s human nature. Technically I have a lot of videos already recorded but need to edit them and upload them so I keep making excuses not to. Again, we are our own worst critic. Thanks again.

[@tixomoments4046]

Hey if you wanna have better post processing graphics on vtol vr too try installing reshade don't enable open xr in the setup menu just use direct x 10/11/12 select whatever you want for the fx section but make sure you get something with bloom that made the biggest visual improvement for me and once vtol is open go to your desktop and press the home key to open reshade menu

[@theVRpilot]

@@tixomoments4046 woah! Thanks!

[@tehbigshow]

As an intermediate skilled DCS pilot, I look at VTOL with great interest. What keeps me away IS the VR and motion control requirements. Wish I could just play VTOL with regular screen, headtracking, and HOTAS but .... oh well.

[@theVRpilot]

That would be interesting, but you know what I do like is that everyone here is forced to be on the same playing field. We all have VR headsets, using VR controllers with no extra hardware. Plus the unique style of how you interact with things is really what pulls me in again and again, but I understand how these specific things might be off putting. Have you tried DCS VR yet?

[@iceman90734]

Vtol VR without the VR part is exactly opposite of the intention of the game, unfortunately

[@adrenaline1320]

@@theVRpilot its cool. but the developer should stop being an ass and just let me use my hotas. only reason why I don't play it.

[@sinner76028]

@@adrenaline1320he’s not being an ass, making key bindings for the literally hundreds of functions between all the different aircraft would be a huge task. The whole premise is that you are using the controls in the cockpit. The only people who complain about this approach are the one who have not tried it, because it’s a revelation in practice.

[@diuhn2747]

Mods can make that happen for you my friend!

[@PvtPartzz]

Hell yeah, subbed. Looking forward to your coverage of the convention.

[@theVRpilot]

Thanks Man! I'm so excited!!

[@zooi_]

wish the two seater planes had single seater variants but oh well

[@Red17201O]

Technically they do but oh well

[@theVRpilot]

Which is your favorite, lately I only fly the EF-24 lol.

[@Red17201O]

The Ef 24 is practically the only plane I fly now besides the t 55 sometimes

[@maximumvibe9355]

i love both i just think its a hard comparison to make because they really appeal to different people. dcs is more in depth with individual aircraft but i think overall vtol models things like RCS and ECM a whole lot better than dcs does. both great games just kinda different ideas

[@theVRpilot]

Well said. I agree! In DCS I only fly the Viper as I don’t have the time or bandwidth to learn so many aircraft in depth lol. But I own multiple modules lol

[@greaper1878]

I own both VTOL and DCS, both are great in their own right. I would definately advise someone to try VTOL before DCS to help ease them into VR flight simming. I can not get the weather option to work in VTOL 😥

[@theVRpilot]

Agreed, they both hold their own. I have not tried yet, I'm going to set it to DL now. You are on Steam correct?

[@greaper1878]

@@theVRpilot Yes I am on Steam

[@slaphead90]

How do you get a MP session like this where everybody is on board and working the mission? All I ever get is screaming kids, people who eject the instant you let them into the rear seat, or guys that just fly around shooting their teammates. Great video by the way.

[@theVRpilot]

Add me on steam theVRpilot! Most of my flights are like this, but the real key is to fly late at night past everyone’s bed time! Lmao. You get adults staying up late lol.

[@slaphead90]

@@theVRpilot Thanks for the offer, but you're in Florida right? Which means your staying up late time is my going to work time - I'm on the other side of the pond.

[@theVRpilot]

@slaphead90 ah true. I am in Florida.

[@algroyp3r]

That's why DCS being expensive has a hidden perk of filtering out these people :)

[@theVRpilot]

lol it filters out many who could do well too lol, but I think the key is grab a map and your favorite plane and take your time with DCS.

[@rollie7720]

I'm from the other side of the perspective! I love VTOL and have played it since it first came out, DCS looks awesome but who has time to study manuals or watch a one hour tutorial!

[@theVRpilot]

Haha

[@blackcobra8849]

Excellent video. I work too. Do you vr setup video , I have an old HP G2 , using win 10 pro. Virpil hotas setup throttle , joystick.pedals. I need guidance. Do I have to have vr controller.

[@theVRpilot]

The cool thing about VTOL VR is that you only need the VR controllers. I think they have compatibility for rudder pedals, but even then that I don’t use that. I simply twist my wrist. It’s more natural than you think. So you need your PC, VTOL VR via Steam, Steam VR and the Reverb G2 and the 2 controllers it comes with. Do you have those?

[@krypticpanda6670]

Heya, what would be the best entry level headset?

[@theVRpilot]

Quest 3 for this! Especially if you can use Wifi 6 its amazing. You move away from your desk, get on your chair and with Virtual Desktop it streams flawlessly. Its so fun!

[@krypticpanda6670]

@@theVRpilot thanks! I'll have a look

[@SonicgraceVR]

great video! Are you interested in collaborating with us to review our new magnetic battery head strap?

[@theVRpilot]

Sonic Grace, send an email to through my contact address and and we can chat there!

[@SonicgraceVR]

@@theVRpilot thanks for your reply, just send the product detail to your email box, please feel free to check the mail with title "Sonicgrace Product review Interest", looking forward to your reply, thanks.

[@tver]

DCS is a more realistic cockpit simulator. VTOL/VR is a better game experience.

[@theVRpilot]

Well said!

[@skwal5464]

is it VR with controler only? because i don't like VR and i have a head tracker and no vr controler

[@theVRpilot]

Yes VR controller only. There is a portion of the community that has asked for hardware support but the dev has denied this other than rudder pedals. It is also only VR. It’s unique but it sets an even playing field and a unique level of immersion. See if you can borrow a friends quest 2 or pick up one cheap 2nd hand they are going for $100 on FB marketplace!

[@florin5389]

i used mods and i played with headtrack and hotas. Now im playing vr with hotas. Theres tutorials on youtube.

[@theVRpilot]

@@florin5389 Woah! Cool! Thanks for sharing!

[@jadonwolfgang2127]

Hey I want to get into flight sim, I have a decent pc and play VTOL but I want to get a sim rig, any suggestions in how to get started with that and how I can make it feel good for my needs?

[@theVRpilot]

This is a great question! I will work on a more detailed explanation and maybe even make a vide on this as I am sure you arent the only one wondering. But I will share a few things to consider that will help set you up on the right path. 1. Budget - What is it your budget. 2. What do you want to fly? - Are you looking to train in a C172 or want to build an F16 simpit, or a mixed setup. 3. Choose your base platform - Consider Next level racing, Trak Racer, or check amazon for less expensive models search "flight sim frame" Make sure it fits your end goal. Also I am working on a FREE DIY Tutorial to build your own. 4. Flight controls and mounting solutions. 5. What monitor and or VR hardware are you going to use. Again there is so much more but this is a quick start. I think I will work on a detailed written guide for this and video. I will make sure to post it here in response so you see it but I will start working on that. Hope that is clear as mud and it helps! if you have more questions or thoughts write them below so I can better write a guide and help you and others out!

[@theVRpilot]

Going to link 2 videos that might help for now... How to See in VR kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpeZoKGJh7iGqKM Custom Sim Pit Rig kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqHEqIlpeaeKY8k

[@jadonwolfgang2127]

​@theVRpilot thank you so much! Appreciate the videos linked man. Will for sure be looking out to your video aswell! Thank you!

[@vra-virtual.reality.action]

Heck yeah dude - we needa be friends!

[@theVRpilot]

Let’s goooo

[@JclMaverick]

i have both and man i luv both but hey man keep it up normally i dont subscribe on first video of a person but man idk ur just cool keep it up.

[@theVRpilot]

Hey man, thanks! Happy to have you on board!

[@JetJockey_RC]

VTOL VR is great! But DCS is definitely king if you can get it going. Can't wait to see whats coming just down the road.

[@theVRpilot]

Yessir. Agreed DCS is the combat sim king.

[@Zolarityshorts]

1.1 added clouds... dcs has been overthrown.

[@theVRpilot]

Haha, MSFS 2024 is out, posted some new content on that. But yes, these clouds are epic!

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

0:32 That's why I DCS, AC7,MSFS2020 and WT over VTOL VR mainly... just pick up a gamepad and go... Something the VTOL VR devs refused to let l people do despite the community having mods for flat screen and gamepad... Like VR is nice but I almost never want to VR due to neededing to spend most of my sesstion setting the game up despite my quest 3 being ready at any time.

[@theVRpilot]

Yeah I wonder why not allow it, I’ll be honest, even if he added it, I wouldn’t want to use it. I can’t do a mix flight like that as I would punch something lol. But I understand why folks want it.

[@iceman90734]

Dev doesn't want to do it for the simple fact of...the game is built specifically for VR, it's the reason only pedals are supported

[@theVRpilot]

@@iceman90734 True! I think this helps keep an even playing field when it comes to hardware. I am surprised no one has cared enough to write code and make a mod/support for it.

[@iceman90734]

@@theVRpilot for a while there was a HOTAS mod but they dropped it and it eventually became obsolete, even when it was a thing, most people didn’t use it. I think keeping people on a level playing field is definitely a factor

[@PhantomMiles]

What I really wish. Vtol vr can play without pc.

[@theVRpilot]

@@PhantomMiles bro! This right here is the dream! Can you imagine. Also, I think in 5-10 years we will be here. Cloud VR gaming. Fast WiFi / low latency is needed for this. That would be amazing.

[@jordibravo5298]

@@theVRpilot Or, you know, just a quest port

[@buikhan]

Where is the link to this game?

[@theVRpilot]

Here it is! Sorry. store.steampowered.com/app/667970/VTOL_VR/

[@morepenguins6247]

I like because F-35 with canards (I leik canards vrey mcuh!)

[@theVRpilot]

YUP! So much fun!

[@delayed_control]

You do not need fancy hardware like a joystick, but you need fancy hardware like a VR headset... Also you need to not puke while wearing one so there's that too... This really isn't a matter of choice for most people.

[@theVRpilot]

You stated nothing but facts! I agree.

[@Critikal4k]

Is there pvp?

[@theVRpilot]

Oh yeah! For Sure. PVP, PVE. This evening started with my buddy hosting but he had to leave, so at the end of the mission I hosted a new match and everyone joined me and we played 2 more sessions. This was literally the last 20 minutes, and I am happy I recorded it. I'll record more now that I know the Quest 3 does a great job at it overall. It isn't 4k, but its smooth and conveys the story with a bit of editing and cutting out the slower parts.

[@Critikal4k]

Think I will give it a go

[@theVRpilot]

Sounds good ! LMK what you think of it!

[@dartarian]

VTOLVR is the complex and interaction has enough simplicity. Much easier to jump into and feel like you are flying the jet. *Edited to make it easier to understand. Didn't make total sense to me lol

[@theVRpilot]

Agreed. I haven’t had a bad game yet in VTol , it is very problem free and just run and go fly.

[@M0LOCK]

Falcon BMS>>>

[@theVRpilot]

Dude, I didn’t event mention that. So true. I was impressed when I tested it in VR a while back. I need to check it again.

[@M0LOCK]

@@theVRpilot They just dropped ver 4.37,thing is on a whole other level now

[@theVRpilot]

Thanks for the reminder, I’ll check out out asap!

[@elalixo7162]

agreed, dcs is kinda stinky

[@theVRpilot]

lol, I like it, but VTOL VR is so good for in and out quick, fun gaming.

[@primaryworm5]

Киркоров потолстел нынче

[@theVRpilot]

Yes! Less flying more running!