Why Indiana Jones PC Requiring Hardware RT Is a Good Thing

[@stewardappiagyei6982]

"We've got a GPU for you, it's called RTX 2060" - Don 'Alex Battaglia' Mattrick 😂

[@MaxIronsThird]

RX6400 is able to "run" this game

[@christophermullins7163]

@@MaxIronsThird 1080p performance fsr on low should easily stay over 30 fps and potential up to 60. It's a pretty solid performer. Edit: I thought it had 16gpu cores but turns out it is 12. We are in igpu territory so I think 1080p perf low 30fps is likely the average and not the minimum.

[@BasePuma4007]

​​@@christophermullins7163FSR performance mode at 1080p 30FPS would look like an Xbox 360 game. People in that camp would be better forking over the money for a Series X if they really wanted this.

[@PoopinAndScoopin]

Thank you John for shouting out the HDR DLSS issue. I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why DLSS looked so borked for me and never thought to try turning off HDR. Thx brotha

[@BurnerMan-m2e]

I'm using AutoHDR as a fallback. It isn't perfect, but everything works

[@m.m.3753]

I use dlss 3.8.xx its way better in quality and also RTX HDR as a Fallback.

[@muneebhamza8917]

that issue has been addressed in the latest patch

[@KilliK69]

they fixed it with the latest patch

[@gamegod7856]

Digital Foundry on KZbin, should require RT, that would be a real very good thing!

[@Pelicanzzz]

At least require HDR!

[@AGRACUTA]

im old enough to remember everyone bitching about shader requirements on old geforces fx cards and games requireing it like halo pc and stuff. nothing changes. people will always complain the old cards have had an insane life span its fair enough to complain about prices and gfx cards being price gouged. but complaining of these new tech and becoming standard and old cards aging out is silly.

[@FaceFister]

It's not about having to upgrade, it's the fact that the game doesn't give you the option to turn RT off which is honestly "kinda cringe" and anti-consumer. All it does is artificially make it so non RT cards can't run it, even when they would have been more than capable of doing so. AMD for example have a bunch of recent cards such as the RX 7800 that are pretty beefy, but don't support RT features, this is a card that came out a year ago, and it's unable to play this game and potentially a bunch of others if this disgusting trend catches on.

[@anusmcgee4150]

And it doesn’t help that graphics technology has been hitting the point of diminishing returns like a freight train for the last ten years. It makes the lines blurry between one side of the argument and the other

[@lau6438]

Agreed. We can scream and kick all we want about prices, gouging, exclusive, blah blah blah. But there is just no logical reason to hold back an entire industry to support the bottom 20% of cards left.

[@gamzillio]

​​@@lau6438bottom 20% cards left? Seriously? The majority of people are using 4060Ti with 8GB Vram, let alone it having a miniscule memory bus of 128bit lol. Industry is still not ready for the mandatory RT requirement in games, like what MachineGames "proudly" did.

[@lau6438]

@@gamzillio The famous 4060 TI without rt cores.

[@00-JT]

Target hardware is the Xbox series X. If after 4 years you still dont have a pc as capable as that console. Why would you expect to play AAA games at higher settings than the xbox??

[@ElZamo92]

I’m not expecting to play it on my 1080ti at higher settings than the Xbox, I just want to be able to run it.

[@00-JT]

@@ElZamo92 the 1080ti is 4 generations old! You can’t expect to be able to play modern game with a card that came out in 2017. You want a 2024 game to conform to a 7 year old card?

[@Vincornelis]

​@@00-JT nearly 8. It's like expecting to be able to play the first Call of Duty on a card you bought for Duke Nukem 3D.

[@MarstedR]

But the Xbox can't even run the game. They have it at lower than lowest settings for rtgi, why isn't that an option on the pc version?

[@00-JT]

@@MarstedR yet it still looks and runs great. Any modern card will run the game as long as you stay within the VRAM budget.

[@evergaolbird]

Indiana Jones is surprisingly easy to run even on an RDNA2 GPU which let's face it have the weakest support for Hardware Ray Tracing so it was really nice to see it maintain above 60 FPS in places like the Vatican Daytime where an explorable city with many NPCs. It was a really breath of fresh air that there is a new game not using Unreal Engine 5 and its fast on a 6-Core 5600 no X CPU and now considered a budget GPU entry RX 6700 XT with the likes of the NEXGEN GPUs next year. Doom 2016 could even run on a Q9550 Quad Core + RX 460 4GB GPU, so that's an indicator how good Id Engine has been lately.

[@MilosCsrb]

Long live NON-UE5 game engines!

[@christopherbohling5719]

To me, this game really exposes why the GPU market sucks so hard right now. Basically, games like this (and to a lesser extent Alan Wake 2) are really showing why it's (still) important to buy a GPU with the most up-to-date feature set if you want to have something that will really last a good long time into the future. The fact that a 2060 Super can still run titles using the most modern rendering tech, while the RX 5700 XT (which was its direct price competitor) simply cannot, is a perfect example of this. The 5700 XT was a bit faster at the time it released, but because of the feature set, the 2060 Super was the more "future-proof" card in the long run. But at the same time, games like this also expose how important it is to get a card with a lot of VRAM overhead if you want it to last. And now we're in a situation where you can't get both an acceptable amount of VRAM overhead AND the most modern feature set without paying over $700. AMD gives you enough VRAM but its core performance in RT titles is just not good enough, while Nvidia is just lol with their absurd VRAM stinginess. As somebody who is still rocking a 2070 Super, the minimum upgrade that makes any sense to me would be a 4070 ti Super, because it's the cheapest card with both enough VRAM and a future-looking feature set/RT performance. If you'd asked me back when I bought my 2070S (at its launch) I would have never guessed that in 5 1/2 years time I would need to pay nearly $800 to get something that was a worthwhile upgrade. I'm really, really hoping that AMD closes the gap with Nvidia in RT performance with the 8000 series. Like, I know that they're not shooting for the high end with this series, but that's fine, I want a midrange card anyway. I just want the $500 AMD card to give me RT performance that's competitive with the $500 Nvidia card.

[@64-96]

While I agree that AMD's RT performance leaves a lot to be desired, I also think most games just slap the feature over the top of a traditional raster pipeline without much consideration for performance. Games like Indiana Jones. Metro Exodus (the RT re-release) and Avatar, especially the latter- which isn't brought up in these discussions enough -prove without a shadow of a doubt that RT can be a great help to the development of a game, look spectacular and make a meaningful difference in the quality of visuals, and RUN GREAT with fantastic optimisation even on AMD's RDNA2 GPUs like the RX 6800 XT. Even RE Village for example uses extremely performant RTGI which makes a meaningful difference to visual quality, whilst performing very well for all GPUs. It just seems that for RT features, the focus is all in the wrong place- it's focused too much on impressing people, rather than what it's supposed to be, a better solution than traditional global illumination, shadows, etc that can produce better results much easier, and streamlining the development process. When games are built with it as a core part of the development like Avatar, Indiana Jones and Metro Exodus, they just happen to run extremely well? That's not a coincidence. All the games so far that were developed like that run well because they aren't just focused on showing off. On the other hand, we have games that are just RT "showcases", which perform awful even on a 4090 and require DLSS framegeneration to even be acceptable on the most expensive hardware available.

[@layzie45]

Direct Storage API was supposed to help solve this the vram issue but well. Who knows what happened there.

[@64-96]

@@layzie45 No it wasn't, that's has a whole other purpose that's not even remotely related to vram saturation.

[@oliverdowning1543]

Hopefully what we're seeing with Intel might shake things up in that regard because certainly for budget hardware the B580 seems very much to do both.

[@deathtrooper2048]

A 2060 doesn't have the vram to run it.

[@Silikone]

The real issue is the VRAM gatekeeping. The early adopters with a 2060 won't get to use the ray tracing future proofing they were hoping for.

[@alistermunro7090]

Nobody who bought a 2060 thought they were future proofing. Indeed I knew my 3080 TUF was a one generation card due to the picked up pace of RT. Although the 4090 is fantastic I find myself looking forward to a 5090.

[@Dawdo-wf1xs]

2060 and future proofing don't really go well in the same sentence

[@Silikone]

@@Dawdo-wf1xs The 2060 Super can still run this game decently.

[@Dawdo-wf1xs]

@@Silikone yeah I meant the 2060 og

[@imretix8081]

@@Dawdo-wf1xs OG 2060 is doing just fine, look on my channel. if we had AMD frame gen i could have nice 80-90fps on 6GB-2060

[@testertester4968]

Of course, Hardware RT will make Richard's head more reflective.

[@lau6438]

The indirect specular lighting is immaculate!

[@TWorldd]

😂😂😂😂

[@SENATORPAIN1]

His baked head lighting is enough.

[@TheDunbartxeen]

Only if he uses the right RT polisher. i think nvidia sells one

[@BasePuma4007]

@@testertester4968 I need to be able to look directly at his head and see the ceiling light reflected that isn't in view.

[@hatchetman3662]

Kinda makes me regret buying a 7800 XT. Because, despite the fact that this game is very playable on that GPU, most games that require ray tracing going forward... simply won't be. And I'm not made of money.

[@killerhurtalot]

unfortunately.... this is why people keep buying nvidia.... hopefully the new 8800xt would be a lot better in other areas other than just raster performance...

[@SmoothSportsGaming]

I would've went AMD a long time ago but Ray Tracing and DLSS are game changers.

[@SmoothSportsGaming]

​@@killerhurtalot Another reason is DLDSR. It hardly takes up resources because of the tensor cores. It's fantastic. You can even combine it with DLSS and oftentimes looks better then Native.

[@tomthomas3499]

3070, 3080 despite having superior RT cores, are all slower than even a770 in this game due to lack of vram, in a perfect world 4070 should've had 16gb then that would make our choice easier, but it's not, and there's that slight chance it will end up lacking of vram in the future.

[@GATERISTIC]

It literally performs like 4fps slower in this game with the regular ray tracing vs the rtx 4070. Path tracing isn't available on AMD cards. God you people are weird.

It’s just the way things are going, even integrated GPUs will end up with dedicated RT cores in not too long I’m sure, and consoles have them already And the two versions of lighting is too much really yeah. I’m currently developing with a two year or so release target and only using RT.

[@MaxIronsThird]

they already have

[@BasePuma4007]

If workflows can get streamlined on the order of 50% it's a no brainer, and it just looks so much better.

[@lollipopwee1]

2007 PTSD Activated

[@magicjack4076]

Funny how we have the pc master race gloat about how pc graphics are so good and consoles hold them back yet they complain when games want to be true next gen and move the bar forward and their card doesn’t work

[@chris42069]

100% meme level clown car of opinions

[@SAGERUNE]

Turing came out 6 years ago, games have not required its feature set. You had 6 whole years to keep your aged hardware alive. If you don't have an RT capable card by now you have made an error. But that said, you still have time. This is just one game.

[@Vengir]

I'm fairly sure that those were two very different groups of PC players saying that. We aren't some sort of unified hivemind.

[@MKpa8]

pc players are the biggest crybabies

[@imretix8081]

funny how i'm playing Indiana Jones on RTX2060-6gb even at 1440p/67%res without crashing, the fix is on my channel, with LS framegen im playing at 1440p+DLSSQ and getting 80fps, used "CRU" (custon monitor res) now im playing at smooth 80hz 1440p, and the game plays and looks good lol.

[@Freakingbean]

It just shows how awesome the 10 series was. The GOAT nvidia series. A gpu from 2000 would melt with a game made in 2007. But a gpu that's from 2016 can still run a game from 2024 somewhat well.

[@acurisur]

Except this one, or any game that uses mesh shaders like Alan Wake 2. Anyone serious about PC gaming still using an 8 year old GPU might as well get a console at this point, as current gen consoles are better than the 10 series. And current gen consoles have k&m support.

[@scottd7222]

Im on a Vega 64 and doing just fine lol

[@drunkensailor112]

Terrible comparison. The leap from 2000 to 2007 was far bigger than any leap afterwards. The current technology doesn't improve much compared to old days

[@adriantrusca1245]

​@@acurisurThe hell are you talking about? A gtx 1650 card with 4 gb of vram runs Alan Wake 2 just fine in 1080 p with medium to low settings. Yeah, you get the mesh shader bullshit warning but you ignore it and the game boots up.

[@MA-jz4yc]

Mores law has somewhat reached the point of diminishing returns compared to the early 2000s. Powerful GPUs are much harder and more expensive to manufacture.

[@brandonbell5663]

The conversation around this and RT in general is why I don't understand why RT was marketed towards consumers the way it was. RT is a development tool first and its a massive plus it makes games look better (overall if it's all used correctly). The work flow is so much easier with rt and it's amazing that it can run real time these days

[@annonannnonymus]

The console manufacturers needed a new marketing gimmick, clarity be damned

[@hadiabdul9266]

Exactly. RT cuts down the workload of developers by half. Everyone whould be behind this tech if it wasn't for the prohobitively expensive hardware costs that come along with it. Also the clear planned obsolesence of the RT cards being starved of VRAM when the main requirement for RT heavy games is... VRAM.

[@backgammonbacon]

Because the consumers have to buy the card. If the GFX card came with the game then I would be with you but it doesn't.

[@Vincornelis]

@@backgammonbacon consumers always have to buy new cards. Being a PC gamer is knowing you have to upgrade your rig every 3 to 4 years. The first raytracing hardware is 6 years old now. We are well past the reasonable upgrade period for people to either come aboard or get left behind.

[@RepublicofODLUM]

@@annonannnonymus Consoles needed a new gimmick, so Nvidia (the company that has never manufactured a single RT console) started pushing for RT? Do people think before commenting?

[@janhofmann3499]

Remember when Quake 3 didn’t have a software render backend? You NEED a 3D card?1?

[@waaghals]

I remember when Battlefield 2 came out and I had a Ti 4200. BF2 required SM 1.4. I was stuck on 1.3. No dice.

[@christophermullins7163]

No dice 😂

[@wh3resmycar]

you mean no DICE.

[@3thndv155]

Gamers are complaining about optimization issues with current games but this game was easier to optimize because it was limited scope of targeted platforms. Perhaps developers will put out more performant games if people move on from their decade old hardware to raytracing hardware.

[@ElZamo92]

What optimisation? Shits broken.

[@acurisur]

@@ElZamo92 Broken? On a potato PC maybe. I'm getting a locked 60fps on my aging Ryzen 3600X with a 2080 Super at 1440p.

[@challenger516]

@@ElZamo92 What's your setup?

[@mattspeer01]

It also runs better because it uses the idTech engine instead of the dumpster fire known as Unreal Engine 5.

[@ItsAkile]

Maybe not the best RT game but I like seeing the RT requirements by default, budget cards have RT now so it’s about time atleast GI now be done as a standard by Ray tracing. It’s scalable and can be performant, win win.

[@Apathy474]

I think hardware RT requirements in 2024 (almost 2025) is perfectly cromulent, especially given how long RT has been around.

[@veilmontTV]

I have a good vocabulary and I had to look up cromulent.

[@DanielW-x4v]

@@veilmontTV not cromulent bro

[@thaigrocer]

It will only embiggen the push for rt standards across all hardware

[@BasePuma4007]

​@@veilmontTV If they're not covering something that brings out the console waring children, this type of articulate nerd is par for the course around here. ❤

[@cameronramey9667]

​@@veilmontTVYou shoulda watched more of The Simpsons...

[@lucasnooker]

Well.... I'm on a Titan X Pascal and a i7 5930K. it's lasted me all this time.... It's finally time to bite the bullet and get a 9800x3D and a RTX 5090!

[@oliverdowning1543]

Dude I dunno where you live but where I live you can buy a used RTX 2060 super for £150 upfront and there'd be no reason to need a CPU upgrade with that. Of course if you do go with the top of the line stuff all over again it'll probably last you just as long if not longer so it's hardly a bad idea if that's what you were going for (I really can't tell what the time of your comment was and I'm not trying to be rude or combative I promise).

[@lucasnooker]

@oliverdowning1543 Yeah, exactly that. I like to get the best of the best hardware at the time and have it last and future proof myself. And who knows if I will get the chance to do this again in my life. I might as well do it now whilst I have the money... Sad to see my old rig go but 10 years... Can't grumble at that really can you...

[@LegacyRap7777]

PC is so wack

[@oliverdowning1543]

​@@lucasnookeryeah, totally not a bad approach. I've yet to have been in a situation where I can really do that myself but definitely when I can it seems the way to go.

[@MeCrazy516]

alan wake 2 required mesh shaders....while it didnt require RT....this essentially made it so you needed the same GPUs has this game

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Except Indy devs were lazy enough not to add any fall back for RX 5000 or GTX users while Alan Wake 2 had support for them and later added compatibilty for GTX 10 series as well. Indiana Jones' optimization is very overrated

[@gagec6390]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Dude it's not dev laziness, it's the fact that in game development you have priorities and supporting 8+ year old hardware for a tiny portion of people is not very high on the list of those priorities.

[@emanuelefusco4466]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat creating games with ray tracing in mind allows you to achieve artistic solutions that would otherwise be unfeasible or very difficult. Most people who complain like this don't understand anything about hardware, game development, or coding in general. the GTX 1000 series is now too old and lacks features and raw performance, I can understand what you say about the rx 5000 since theoretically a 5700xt (for example) still has decent performance but in this case it's the amd hardware that is always a bit behind and on certain occasions you pay for it. In the past even 3 years for a gpu were a lot so I wouldn't complain much if after 8 years a gtx 1060 can't play this game (just a single game lol).

[@EricDFreak]

@@monkfishy6348 I know you dont know shit about game dev if you think a game fully made from scratch with RT in mind is harder to make that making the game with basic prob light system and then adding RT........ and btw Alan Wake 2 devs didnt added any fallbacks, people found that they could run it but it will run like shit, so devs just added a switch so people could run it even if it was never meant to be play like that

[@acurisur]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Alan Wake 2 still runs like absolute crap on 10 series GPUs. Just because they made those cards compatible doesn't mean you should play it.

[@SkeleTonHammer]

Back around the days of releases like Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, shader models were constantly being iterated on and hardware could only support the latest available shader models, so it wasn't uncommon to launch something like Pandora Tomorrow on a GPU that was outdated by several years and the game being unable to run at all with the error message "your GPU doesn't support shader model 1/2/3, so you can't run this game, period."

[@gameison4813]

Indiana Jones and Great Circle of PC Requirements

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Indiana Jones and the mystery of Ray tracing shoved down your throat

[@MikeUK]

8 years in GPU terms is an absolute lifetime

[@veilmontTV]

You're gpu owes you nothing at this point

[@greenman8]

I would love it if I could keep using my GTX 980ti, even if it is relegated to current Budget level standards.

[@mrspaceman2764]

Is the DLSS/HDR issue with Indiana Jones on W11? I'm playing now with HDR and not seeing that issue.

[@maybebutwhatever]

They are probably already patched this

[@ulgrimthemad]

Exclamation point exclamation point

[@Nibiru420]

I'm really enjoying Indiana Jones on PC. I have a 7700x, 7900XT , 32gb ram and playing 1440p. I have everything maxed (supreme) and it runs great! I keep the frames locked at 90 and it's smooth as butter. I have a 240hz monitor but for single player games like this i cap my fps around 90-120, it's more than fine for me.

[@Van420Dal]

Man so many haters in this comment section. This channel has always focused on high-end graphics and alex said it the best, if you want to play the LATEST AND GREATEST than your going to need a gpu from the last 2-4 years. Yes people aren't made of money (i only have a 4090 becuase i am a smd solder technician and bought mine broken and fixed it). This is something that digital foundy literally called out in a video recently, the cost of gpus is way to high. They even call out the lack of vram on 40 series... That is not being a shill. Stop getting angry because you cant afford a gpu and play the 1000s of games without rt that are fantastic.

[@eagle_rb_mmoomin_418]

After 7 years of RT GPUs the whining is kind of stupid. They've been around for a long time now and we've always known this was coming...IE more titles needing RT...

[@chris42069]

Yeah but I want to run Cyberpunk 2077 on my PS2 its NOT FAIR!!! 😢

[@LinkZ10]

Considering you were able to buy a 3070 less than a year ago consistently makes the vram requirements a little rough.

[@yungcigala_]

How easy it's to talk when companies send you all the hardware,more personalization on the graphical settings and more optimization

[@MaxIronsThird]

8 years

[@oliverdowning1543]

Ok but at some point games like this had to start coming out because this is very much a large part of the point of hardware support for ray tracing. The fact that it's so commonplace now means that developers can lean on it to make better games with less restricted cinematography and more resources put into other things because they don't have to spend ages faking lighting. It sucks that that means some people can't play the game but it would suck more if we couldn't have had the game (at the same quality level because resources that went into making a great game would've had to be put instead into all the work that rasterised lighting requires).

[@dorian6021]

I see you've never watched a DF performance and optimization review before. And developers don't custom-configure and program hardware and graphics engines for individual people. Try to repair your attention span and watch the actual channel for context, not just podcast clips.

[@carlosmagnomacieira8210]

Right? They live in first world countries, the get the hardware for free and say that it is a good thing rt required when it is a technology you only see differences when comparing side by side...

[@MKpa8]

@@MaxIronsThird right, ppl act like this come out of nowhere

[@veilmontTV]

RTX HDR is really a killer feature

[@rolithesecond]

The Dachsjäger still has this low end rumble on his mic. Shakes my room on my big subwoofer haha.

[@Smurfman256]

Pro tip @DF Clips: High pass filter at 200Hz completley solves this issue. Most people's voices don't get low enough to lose detail when high pass filtering up that high anyway and it stops people's rooms from rattling or speakers from getting blown out in the process.

[@nifftbatuff676]

The good thing is that the gaming insustry is collapsing.

[@queenbeeader]

To put it into future perspective, as hardware becomes more and more developed in the RT department, eventually ray tracing and path tracing will become more optimized and be far easier to run - it will be to future hardware as performant as rasterized solutions are to current hardware now. This is a necessary step in that direction, even if it means a lower frame rate threshold on current generation hardware, progress doesn't happen without some initial growing pains. And if people hold onto legacy equipment for too many generations, they will eventually be left behind by technology evolution.

[@Dexion845]

Ray Tracing is the new Hardware T&L. Dev's are like electricity, they'd rather follow the least path of resistance instead of creating shadow maps.

[@SAGERUNE]

This games 1080p is insanely good. I detect zero TAA blur.

[@nrosko]

Why are the cutscenes so terrible? Massive stutter & screen tear otherwise runs really well.

[@no1DdC]

What's your hardware? I'm seeing nothing of this sort on my old RTX 2080.

[@nrosko]

@@no1DdC 4090 5950x 3d

[@no1DdC]

@@nrosko That seems exceedingly unlikely. Drivers up to date? Is your G-Sync display properly configured?

[@nrosko]

@@no1DdC Its not g-snc. I'm not the only one reporting this issue.

[@no1DdC]

@@nrosko I find it odd that you bought the most expensive consumer card from Nvidia, but not the right screen to go with it.

[@emanuelefusco4466]

finally, i've repeated this stuff in the comments of many videos but many people seem to know nothing about hardware. The reality is that 99.9% of those who complain about this game don't want to admit (or don't understand) that their gpu is really obsolete. For the record, almost all of the 50 most used gpu (not considering the integrated ones) support hardware raytracing and allow you to play this game well, regardless of how old they are. The only "absurd" thing is the use of vram which limits many nvidia gpu, no big deal anyway since even with medium or high textures the texture pool is more than sufficient.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

If you thought hardware based RT requirements weren't coming for games, you were mistaken. The entire point of RT has been to replace prebaked lighting/shadows, SSR, and SSAO. A 16gb RTX 3060 in nearly 2025 is not an expensive card anymore. If you're a budget gamer, you'll be fine with 2nd gen RT cores.

[@WhatDaFaust]

"Why Devs Ramming Technical Problems Up My Ass Is a Good Thing" Fun game, don't get me wrong, but it still lacks the polish I expect. They need to fix the DLSS issues at the very least.

[@UT_Alx]

Try not using a 10 year old gpu lil bro

[@KalElinabox]

​@UT_Alx Strawman , nice try lil bro.

[@WhatDaFaust]

@@UT_Alx I use a 4070 Ti Super, lil sis.

[@UT_Alx]

@@WhatDaFaust I refuse to believe you are unironically calling the game unoptimized then.

[@UT_Alx]

@@KalElinaboxWhy am I even trying to engage with people that don't even have a profile picture, 90% chance this is AI.

[@KlR0V]

Ahhh yes, welcome to modern gaming guys! Where games have a budget of over 400 millon dollars but developers can't be bothered to bake some lights like they used to. Get ready to spend 2000 bucks on a new gpu to run the latest half assed experience with upscaled resolutions, fake frames and mandatory ray tracing.

[@FordHoard]

Well said! And the fact that they never said it requires RTX until two days before launch is a slap in the face. People should be talking about that, but I'm the only one who noticed it, I guess.

[@BasePuma4007]

There is a stupendous amount of ignorance behind this comment. You do not know what you're talking about.

[@DripDripDrip69]

Why continue to support outdated technology when RT capable cards have been on the market for 5+ years now, some of you modern gamers complaint too much, when I was young games often drop support of hardware less than 2 years old, imagine trying to run a 1995 game on 1990 hardware, or 2005 game on 2000 hardware.

[@flimermithrandir]

Not only that but the Series S literally has an Option that’s worse that’s just not in the Game for PC Gamers. Like… why.

[@flat3065]

@@DripDripDrip69 all they have to do is add a software mode also the industry has evolved past needing to upgrade every 2 years these days gpus last atleast ten years the 1080 ti can run almost any game and has the same perf as the 3060 but these devs dont bother to support the have 400 mllion dollar budget but wont allocate 500$ for software rt This Is Stupid On top of that the 5700xt a 4 year old gpu cant run it either even though it has excellent performance

[@heybos4640]

Running the game on an rx 6600 at low settings with forced RT will surely bring up the experience on a whole new level (sarcasm)

[@fabrb26]

Pixel aRT

[@scheeseman486]

It looks and runs great. It's not like anyone is complaining about the Series X version, which runs at 1800p at settings below PC's minimum.

[@MaxIronsThird]

the game runs really well

[@BasePuma4007]

The two games to my knowledge that have required RT capable systems (Indiana Jones and Metro Exodus Enhanced) are both unsurprisingly the two games where the ray traced lighting really makes a big difference in lighting accuracy and immersion, while still running good. Ray tracing is great and is not a gimmick. There's so many games where it is half heartedly implemented with RT shadows or RT reflections paired with traditional lighting techniques. The end result is an image that is slightly more accurate (but barely noticeable) with a 20-30% reduction in performance... With Indiana Jones, the graphics arent that good, not terrible, but not all that great, but the RTGI totally transforms the presentation and makes it so much more immersive and beautiful.

[@CAPS_Paranormal]

Indiana Jones looks great, but even more importantly, is more fun to play than any game in years. It's just a great video game.

[@Teja]

Any game in years is a damn overrated opinion 😂 there are tons of gamers just released this year which are more fun like Astrobot, Metaphor, Black myth, Stellar blade 😂 If you think solving puzzles is fun just go play sudoku or you know play any modern AAA game lots of puzzles 😂

[@Mmachine88]

​@@Teja only thing funnier is seeing a response that names all playstation associated games as proven examples of alternative fun games lol (even though metaphor isn't Playatation only game, I'm sure you don't associate xbox with it) 😅

[@epobirs]

Some things are inevitable. A major new hardware feature becoming a game requirement, especially years after it was found in most consoles. It's a question of when rather than if. Also inevitable is the whining from people with aging hardware. I can recall these kinds of complaints all the way back to when games first began requiring support for VGA and had no support for EGA and Tandy color modes. Then it was audio cards. Then 3D hardware acceleration. More recently it was SSD storage.

[@ThePgR777]

The thing is there isnt a very cheap gpu with RT acceleration, RX 6600 have a poor RT performance, the Arc B570 and B580 thank god will change that

[@jameslindley1564]

It’s an expensive waste of time

[@Moosemanity]

No HDR with Dlss with all the money I've spent on hardware and my monitor, sounds great😢

[@Charmer4856]

The game plays great on my Xbox Series X 😁😁

[@EricRidesDirt]

Devs should label their settings with the year that they expect hardware to run it at 60FPS. That way when someone in 2024 tries to run a game using the 2030 setting we will all know it’s the user that’s the problem not the game.

[@christophermullins7163]

😂

[@no1DdC]

Crytek attempted to predict the future with Crysis and its settings. We all know how well that went.

[@Bdogy]

I think this is the wakeup call gaming is dead and only for the uber rich who can afford 4090s in sli

[@johnanderson1536]

Someone give John a five hour energy drink before they film these things.

[@WheeledHamster]

Why John is always the excited one, when it comes to Sega and Retro stuff.

[@johnanderson1536]

@@WheeledHamster Sure but I've seen multiple clips now where he's falling asleep when others are talking.

[@chris42069]

John is tired because John is busy making great content all the time. Give my boy a break 😂

[@peteparker22]

Honestly I don't blame him. Listening to Alex talk PC stuff puts me to sleep

[@NextgenPL]

Considering what I saw on PS5 pro in F1 2024 and Fortnie do You think guys some "basic path tracing" its feasible on PRO like 30 fps and upscaled res to 1440p? 😅 Please answer only people with programming knowledge not like Pc master race just saying console is trash I know its not a super powerfull😅 Edit: Some guys test medium Path tracing on Rtx 2080 ti at 1440p (upscaled) and they got like 30-45 fps so on PS5 pro something similar seems possible casue 2080 ti is even slower than PS5 🤔 😆?

[@SmoothSportsGaming]

I doubt it. Sometimes even regular Ray Tracing is difficult for them to add while keeping a decent fps/res. F1 is just not a very demanding game. It's a last gen game essentially with added RT... It's an easy game to run on PC But it's not full Ray Tracing because they're missing RT for Shadows. Sometimes Pro has to use lower than the lowest PC settings of RT. It's possible but it'll only be on highly optimized/less graphically impressive games like the 2 you mentioned.

[@SmoothSportsGaming]

I forgot to mention that fps and Ray Tracing are reliant on the CPU and with the outdated Zen 2 it'll be difficult for path tracing.

[@annonannnonymus]

lol not a chance

[@christophermullins7163]

Regular ultra settings runs around 3 - 3.5 times faster than max full RT... I am referring to a video where 4090 at native 4k is 100fps Ultra vs 30fps path tracing. PS5 pro certainly has a worse raster to RT ratio than 40 series so I would go so far as saying that PS5 pro regular quality settings would run somewhere between 5 - 8 times as fast as the max path tracing mode. You do the math lol what resolution would you need to run if you need 8x performance compared to 1800p? Likely below 720p for 60 fps

[@NextgenPL]

@@christophermullins7163 🤔

[@oliverdowning1543]

This kinda makes me wish Halo had transitioned to Id Tech instead of Unreal

[@dpmjmun]

i simply don't think that it's true because there is a large fan-base that does not get to play it; my GF is having to play it on my PC because her GPU does not support RT; the point being that she would prefer to just play the game, rather than having better graphics; that said i know that there are development decisions that impact this and Cyberpunk does that in a way that i find better for this generation, that game supports both old-school methods aswell as top of the line RT

[@Chasm9]

did you watch the video at all?

[@eclisis5080]

cyberpunk came out 4 years ago, this is a new game. raytracing is the standard now

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

True Let them alienate all people without RT with 8GB VRAM or less. Then they'll cry when game underperforms

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat The RTX cards came out in 2018 I believe. If you haven't upgraded yet, how can you expect to play a AAA 2024 game? That's like someone asking Rockstar to make GTA 6 and asking Insomniac to make Wolverine run on the PS4 from 2013 or PS4 pro from 2016. And the games will come out in 2025-2026 And it's as simple as, if you have not bought a PS5 after 4 years, you can't expect to play the latest games.

[@Dawwwg]

Times have changed a lot since the late 90s and early 00s. And so have the prices of high-end video cards. And I'm not complaining with my 3080Ti and Nvidia shares, but I dont feel *this* game is the poster-child for upgrading your GPU tbh...

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Yes, they overlook prices.

[@wwld9823]

gay tracing is a meme that tanks for, it's not innovative

[@takeshinakamura4543]

Where is the Soul Reaver Remastered video ??

[@ni55an86]

If I want to turn off RT to gain a huge performance increase then I will. The same applies to shadows, AA, LOD, resolution so on and so forth. I am the customer and I DECIDE.

[@nulian]

The old lightning model costs a lot of dev time so the new RT only games the devs don't need to do any of that work.

[@SilverEye91]

You obviously do not have all the power. Someone is actually going to do the work to develop the game.

[@disconnection9502]

If you pay them a million dollar, then you do. You may ask the dev to do so. But for the price tag you pay, the best you can do is to not buy :)

[@Omarock]

@@nulian So where did all the rest of dev time went? Because there's really nothing groundbreaking here compared to lots of older games with hand crafted lighting.

[@Vincornelis]

@@ni55an86 guess what you still decide you just can't turn it off altogether but if you want to use the bare minimum that's up to you. They're not forcing you to the highest settings or the most expensive raytracing techniques. The games lighting model is just raytracing based and therefore always on that's all.

[@tomthomas3499]

How can we know the RT in this game is enhancing visual because there's no traditional lighting fallback? for all we know it's not improving visual at all while sacrificing performance.

[@00-JT]

Game runs 60 fps on a 4 year old console with ray tracing at on average 1800p if you are a pc player with a rig less powerful than a console then why are you complaining about performance?? Upgrade or suffer. Been that way since pc gaming has existed.

[@stefannita3439]

Performance is fine lol

[@tomthomas3499]

@@00-JT And what if it run at higher fps with no visual impact? watch HUB video about RT, and see majority of RT titles out there doesn't improve visual at all while tanking your framerate, if the option is that and 100fps, i'd take 100fps any day

[@tomthomas3499]

@@stefannita3439 And how can we say for sure, sure it run fine, but what if we can run it at higher framerate by turning off RT with minimal visual impact, you know like many RT titles out there?

[@00-JT]

@@tomthomas3499 dude RT will very very soon be in every game and will be the standard get over it.

[@Nazraq04]

This is exactly the kind of game I love. Got it on Gamepass, but will still buy a copy to support the developer, and to have the disk in my collection.

[@PoRRasturvaT]

Complaining about 10 series GPU not being able to run this is like complaining the game didn't release on PS4. I mean, come on.

[@TwileD]

It's very promising that consoles are able to do 1080p+ with RT at 60 fps locked on a game which actually looks quite good. Also, spicy Alex is best Alex.

[@JosephBurdette]

Remember when everyone was pissing themselves when Starfield didn't have DLSS but nobody cares that much that FSR or Xess is missing in this title?

[@xilix]

The lack of simulated iris for the player is pretty silly. All this fancy lighting technology but the players eye doesn’t adjust to anything.

[@DaBigBoo_]

a good hdr implementation can help

[@pdraggy]

This gives you a reason to upgrade your steamdeck as it only supports a software raytracing solution. This reminds me of when Hardware TnL was implamented... but that was implemented (in the legendary Quake 3 Arena if I remember right) pretty much as soon as it was available, if only we had a Digital Foundry back than!

[@stevenesbitt3528]

My son has a new pc with an rtx 4060 with 8gb of RAM. How future proof is this or should I start looking at upgrading in the short term?

[@reav3rtm]

It is a good thing. It means fewer and fewer people will be playing games because of absurd cost involved (on PC), so NVIDIA shilling sites will go out of business. On more serious note, I can't think of any reason why exclusiveness is good for anyone. It applies to single console games and RT-only games all the same.

[@nulian]

Sorry buy newer graphics card RT hardware is like 6 years or older now. I did pc gaming in the early 2000 and you need a new graphic card every 2 years or you couldn't play the latest games because your card didn't support the latest pixel/vertex shader.

[@Bargate]

In this case it's reasonable because the GPUs are old and affordable but it could become a very slippery slope as the mins get higher and the GPUs only get more expensive.

[@digitalarsenal5234]

RT games are not ab exclusive thing. Not having the requirements is not the same as not being able to play it *at all*. People had ample warning to understand RT was going to become a big thing. Back in the day, a new shader model would make your card useless. The *vast* majority of games don't need RT, but if you want to play those shiney new, high fidelity games, you will need a shiney high fidelity card.

[@wastedninjadude]

@@nulian Sounds like you’re defending bad market practices because you had to endure worse in the past. Makes you sound pretty unintelligent.

[@Dhruv-qw7jf]

​@@nulian yeah but in early 2000s, every year was a massive jump in texture quality and overall graphical fidelity, which ray tracing simply isn't, that's why people are mad.

[@wuoarh0815]

man I was so proud of my dx 9.0c shader model 3 radeon… only time I had bleeding edge hardware :D thanks mum :) and merry celebration time :)

[@imretix8081]

funny how i'm playing Indiana Jones on RTX 2060-6gb even at 1440p/67%res without crashing, the fix is on my channel,

[@dewinter1411]

2:40 John I’m dying!!! 😂😂😂

[@ironiclee9751]

At some point people gotta accept that their rig is old and either live with it or upgrade. If someone was running an 8 year old gpu in the early 2010s or prior they definitely weren't going to be playing modern AAA games and everyone accepted that. People got too comfortable with the fact that the hardware in consoles during the ps3/360 and ps4/xbone era were really weak which is why even a mid tier pc could run circles around them by the time pascal cards arrived.

[@nuggetpiece]

I love that they bring up that your gpu used to go completely out of date in 3 years. From best gpu, to not meeting minimum specs. 6 years is plenty of time to keep up with the hobby

[@Paulie8K]

I have a 3080 10GB and as long as I keep the textures around medium, I'm getting well over 60 fps at 1440P with many other settings set to high. Looks amazing and plays great. I had no expectations of this game and only downloaded it since it's on PC Gamepass. Nvidia really nerfed the original 3080 as it has the horsepower to run pretty much all modern games at 1440P high settings but the Vram is holding it back from its full potential. I'm conflicted on forcing RT as in this game, it does look great and runs pretty ok, but I feel bad for the majority of gamers who still don't have an RT capable GPU. That said, to play devil's advocate, we are heading into the 4th gen of RT capable cards and the devs can't wait forever to push the industry forward with making RT implementations standard. However, I'm a few hours in and actually enjoying it despite never watching a single film in the franchise. Maybe I'll actually watch them now.

[@TruthHurts1519]

Watch the movies after it 😂

[@Paulie8K]

@@TruthHurts1519 Yeah I'm most likely going to do that. Besides, none of the streaming platforms I'm currently subscribed to have them available anyway.

[@JjD-bd1cw]

Ive got a 3080. I put all everything to high 1440 dlss and locked it to 72 fps (half my screen 144). Its been fine.

[@teboho_26]

I remember having a gtx 870m, was stuck at d3d feature level 11_0, I couldn't play GoW 2018 because it needed feature lvl 11_1. Had to wait a year until I got a RX580. Unfortunately ray tracing is where game development is heading to, and fortunately this tech is now 6 years old or so, so we can't really blame some developers for forcing it. We have to accept that we can't use our graphics cards forever, even just released cards will eventually have to be sunset.

[@DiscMilk]

Sad how hard this turned into a turbo-shill channel. Raytracing, even with the current generation of cards, is a performance killer. It should be optional. It doesn’t help that the “just buy newer” argument coincides perfectly with the huge leap in pricing for graphics cards over the course of a single generation, not even five years.

[@Apathy474]

bro RT cards came out in 2019, almost 6 years ago at this point. it's not like you're being forced to use RT in every single game in existence. This game shows that ray tracing can run well if it's optimized properly

[@joshuaDstarks]

Mhm, shilling for Big RT. Such a bespoke shame!

[@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish]

UPGRADE YOUR PC

[@thedude8128]

Ever since IGN purchased DF their views and opinions have magically aligned with IGNs The quality of discussion and discourse with the fellows has become more pedestrian and laymen focused. Sad but as Harvey Dent once said 'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain'

[@stefannita3439]

It runs at 60-70 FPS 1080p native on literally the weakest RT GPU out there that isn't a glorified display adapter. You have no argument lol.

[@imphonic]

I'm all for HWRT becoming the standard. It's been over 6 years and 4 generations since HWRT launched on PC, and almost 4 years since consoles had it; even my school laptop's integrated graphics support it (it's not very playable, but neither are most traditional raster games tbf). Standardizing HWRT for lighting would go a long way towards simplifying the lighting pipeline, which I expect to grant better performance and maintainability. I bet UE5 ditching SW Lumen and investing those resources into HW Lumen might speed that up, too, though Epic probably wouldn't do that as it would eat into Fortnite's existing playerbase (as if migrating to UE5 didn't already do that). Plus nearly all GPUs with HWRT have mesh shader support as far as I'm aware, so if you want to use those while you're at it, you're probably home free. My main concerns are twofold: VRAM requirements, and pricing. We need to keep VRAM requirements under control. We still have 8GB cards around, and if we can't ship to, say, a 4060 Ti, then it just muddies the waters on supported hardware and makes everyone's lives harder for no good reason (players and developers alike). Definitely seems like investing in an aggressive memory streaming solution is a good idea (as bad a rep as Unreal gets, something like their virtual textures seems like a step in the right direction), so I'll keep that in mind when working on my pet project game engine. Pricing also needs to be considered. There are legitimate reasons people are still using pre-HWRT hardware (think 10 series, 1080 Ti my beloved) and legitimate reasons to not upgrade. In some countries new hardware is crazy expensive, or maybe they don't have the money, or maybe they do have the money and choose to spend it on things they deem more important... all kinds of reasons to take into account. I'm not super worried because my engine is probably not going to ship games for a few years (it's a learning and resume project right now), but I can see why I would be worried if you're, say, Epic (going back to them), who needs Fortnite to run on a lot of machines.

[@Dawdo-wf1xs]

I wonder if in 5-10 years when games will use RT as a basic lighting system across the board people will still complain it doesn't run on max settings on their 1050s.

[@MKpa8]

100% they will

[@boredgunner]

Thank you for the correct messaging here. Today's gamers don't seem to be aware that these requirements are generous: you need at least a 6 year old NVIDIA card or 4 year old AMD card. Last gen APUs can run this game, as can the ASUS ROG Strix mobile platform, as well as the Steam Deck. Games need to evolve, and this always happens, like when hardware rendering became a requirement in the 90s, or when pixel shaders became a requirement in the early 2000s, and those were a lot less forgiving in their minimum requirements than this game! You weren't going to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein on 6 year old hardware.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

Today's gpus are more expensive than in the past.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

What a stupid opinion. Yes, they often dropped support for cards faster in the past, but graphics cards were much cheaper, and don't even try to use inflation as an excuse. Cards are just plain expensive now.

[@mikek92]

After they finished this video, nvidia gave them their new 5000 series cards...😂

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Nvidia be like : Good boy here's your candy

[@no1DdC]

That's why they are constantly testing on and mention Nvidia cards that are several generations old and only available used at this point (which means that the other big N isn't seeing a penny from people buying those). In other words: Keep your silly conspiracy theories to yourself.

[@anarchicnerd666]

indeed, Nvidia have been caught red handed before infiltrating enthusiast communities with PR firms and handing out "free samples" for "benchmarking" in exchange for promotion of their products. legitimately, Nvidia cannot be trusted with a single thing they say. not that you should trust any corporation, but Nvidia deserves the extra skepticism given their extremely shady history.

[@anarchicnerd666]

@@no1DdC ... you're conveniently leaving out the fact they ONLY test on Nvidia cards. no ARC, no RX. the only time i've ever seen an RX card in a DF video is Vs consoles, or Vs Nvidia in an obviously stacked test like Xenia emulation.

[@no1DdC]

@@anarchicnerd666 AMD only has a GPU market share of 12% at this point - and dropping. Intel's is so low, it's not even measurable. That's why they stopped mentioning those - it's just isn't worth it. I wish that AMD was stronger too, since nobody benefits from an Nvidia monopoly other than Nvidia, but they've unfortunately dropped the ball pretty hard, at least in this area. Their CPUs are doing rather fine - and if you've noticed, DF is routinely using those. What's "obviously stacked" about the Xenia emulation test?

[@TeaBow]

Actually crying in 1080 ti

[@eucri]

2:45 Thanks John, thats what came to mind lol

[@myweirdtaste8090]

I like that you put into well explained perspective why and how this game is really a masterpiece in so many ways.

[@spacemanjupiter]

This is only a good thing. It's about time the industry started pushing games that actually take advantage of high end hardware, because they haven't for a very long time other than a few outliers. We used to get that somewhat on the regular way back in the day. This is normal, or it used to be. We also need to do a hard push for RT right now, at the later half of this generation, so that it should be expected in almost every game next generation, and at 60 fps. Extensive use of RT, especially PT, will be the biggest, and easiest, way to make games look 'next gen' during the next gen. As long as the hardware is there, there isn't a whole lot of work compared to having to bake everything out and strategically place lights to fake things. This is the way.

[@MA-jz4yc]

The vram issue is more of a concern for me than the mandatory RT. This is more or less nvidias fault for being deliberately stingy. I do find it ridiculous that my 6GB RTX 4050 can't even launch the game let alone play it on low settings

[@chris42069]

You could also take responsibility for *your decision to buy a GPU with 6GB* when there were surely other options. You still have a great card. It just can't play *everything* but I'd say you shouldn't expect it to

[@Claymireko]

No level of cope and excuses will make me support raytracing requirement while RT is not ready for mass adoption, people is not Made of money, also giving more leverage for nvidia to upcharge for their GPUs is not a consumer friendly idea

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

I think it is ready for mass adoption, but slowly. The current PlayStation and Xbox's have raytracing support, even if it's not the highest quality. RTX cards came out in 2018. Most people nowadays who are playing games (AAA ones at least), should have a a system capable of RT

[@FordHoard]

And they never once said it requires an RTX card until two days before release.

[@GreyDeathVaccine]

@@FordHoard Scummy practice.

[@matcam89]

i am not giving up on the 5700xt still runs strong - ill play this on PS5 pro

[@cikame]

I don't agree, but it's mostly because i'm more interested in getting a game running well than getting it running well on the latest hardware, i don't understand how we can simultaneously praise a technology like DLSS for getting people more frames while praising something that demands people spend hundreds potentially thousands on new hardware, people did that for hallmark games like Crysis, not lighting. On the dev side sure, rendering lighting is a heavy process and on the fly RT makes it easier for devs during the art phase of development but i see two problems, we're passing more of the art of lighting to technology than the artist leading to similar looking games, and AAA has a quality problem, maybe not with Indiana Jones but passing a lack of optimisation onto the player has never been cool and still isn't cool.

[@SilverEye91]

Bro, why did you think people did that for Crysis if not graphics?

[@cikame]

@@SilverEye91 People bought hardware for Crysis because of the whole package, but most people can't tell the difference between RT and non RT side by side.

[@SilverEye91]

@@cikame That's not true at all.

[@Letucen_nik]

The part about passing the art of lighting to technology is ridiculous, especially in regards to this game, that takes a lot of creative liberties when it comes to its lighting, trying to mimic the look of the movies. The dynamic lighting is what makes this possible in the first place.

[@SilverEye91]

@@Letucen_nik I'm so sick of non 3d developers acting like they know what the fuck they're talking about.

[@jameslindley1564]

Ray tracing is not worth the cost in gpu or human perception

[@brandonmcgregor9912]

It's understandable, but I think the reason why there is so much controversy this time with this sort of thing is that in many places including here in Australia, GPUs (and CPUs o a lesser extent) are still wildly overpriced ever since Covid. That combined with VRAM concerns of entry level GPUs from NVIDIA being considered poor value, it is completely understandable at this current time why this is so controversial and an issue for a lot of people, because the GPU market is still absolutely absurd right now. Many people that used to upgrade every 3 years or so now find themselves waiting 5 years or more, if ever. Even for me before Covid I couldn't afford to upgrade for about 10 years, and one of the upgrades before that was from a friend for a second hand entry level GPU and gave me a friend discount. This being controversial with the current state of the market is absolutely understandable.

[@aluthman281]

Indiana Jones and the Insufficient Incentive to Spend Hundreds of Dollars

[@IHaveBadWiFiBro]

disabling ray tracing in settings and the game looks great and runs better, I don't understand why you want these crap settings enabled

[@normanq1206]

It's a good looking game. Indy should be able to choke an enemy from behind for better stealth.

[@kubeanie18]

I'm confused Indiana Jones released on December 9th.That was yesterday.How did the release last week

[@chris42069]

Preorder

[@ployth9000]

we need sli again and cards only taking up 2 slots then we wouldn't have to rely on using upscaling and dlss or at least pure raw performance increase for gaming bruteforce

[@vncube1]

I'm sure DF has brought this up a few times before but not as much as they should: RT and eventually PT exist to benefit game developers and rendering artists first and foremost to streamline lighting workflows, not for gamers to experience better graphics. That's OK but we still need to temper our expectations with this reality. IdTech 7 along with MachineGames kick ass in optimisation as usual and thus 'deserve' to mandate RT (gently) to gamers while other engines and devs are still playing catch up.

[@kessilrun6754]

It's just stupid. You can literally see zero difference with RT on. Forbidden West isn't RT. Yet? It looks like it has better lighting than any game I've seen. Back when I'd do the comparisons in Cyberpunk, on my day one 6900XT? All RT did was make the perfectly dry cement shiny and and wet looking and put wee little shadow outlines around random objects, like garbage bags, steps and some parts of my gun. For awhile, I just called it the "Borderlands effect" since all it did was put black outlines lol But? Other than a little dark outline, or shiny cement? Zero difference.

[@SebastianBugiu]

You must be blind. Turn path tracing on and tell me you don’t see the huge difference….

[@main_stream_media_is_a_joke]

You are right. Installed and played Metro Exodus EE and the original on my 3060ti.....and all I saw was a "different" BRIGHTER look to the original. It's definitely different....but not "game changing". NV, their marketing arm i.e DF/ShillUp etc and the unpaid internet shills/fanboys want to upsell their already ridiculously priced gfx cards to the others who just won't bend down. RT in its current implementation is just not worth it to spend 700$+ for their "game changing" visuals. Prices are definitely not coming down in the future...so it would be interesting to see how this pans out.

[@fortunefiderikumo]

Forbidden west has better lighting than any game you've ever seen? yeah you need to play more games, one of the mediocre graphical aspects of Forbidden West was its Global illumination, also Cyberpunk RT barely makes any difference? yeah....Someone needs to get their eyes checked or are you just coping because even basic RT in that game makes your 6900xt choke