Why Indonesia Keeps Raising Taxes | Value Added Tax (VAT)

[@BehindAsia]

Do you support the increase in Indonesia's value-added tax?

[@Jarlulfric4202]

As long as ITS not PPN tax IM as Indonesian don't care, as PPN tax incompass every product that on market

[@Naehel]

No

[@monocygnia]

why supporting corrupt goverment

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

I DO, i studied how china got 10% growth,it was housing, high taxes and very high spending including debts. we need to do the same. high taxes and very high growth spending

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

@@monocygnia why you aren't even indonesian, only an islamist or pdip oligarchic would say that. why the hell is your channel anything BUT islamic religious blindness

[@cooljosh2307]

I think most people in Indonesia would not mind the tax increase, if it is being used properly for government expenditure, such as social services and public infrastructure. The problem is that corruption is so rampant in Indonesia, people are upset when their hard-earned money is just going to the pockets of corrupt officials who enriches themselves or just paying their debts to their financial backers. Granted we have experienced major economic growth in the last decade, but corruption is still a problem and the previous government didn't do much to tackle this (just focusing on the economic & infrastructure development).

[@goenawanarief4027]

Indonesian here, and I absolutely agree with what you say (write).

[@stickydusty]

True, as a local we need transparency .

[@happyfish1212]

and they flex their corrupt money gain on social media (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵)

[@silenceswhisperer7631]

**nods** The problem is the lack of trust that the tax will reach where it meant to be. For me personally, if it is the choice between increased debt to foreign nation or increased tax, I would choose increased tax.

[@HKim0072]

All countries have corruption. It's too wide / vague of a term. Korea while corrupt during their industrial period generally funneled money towards infrastructure and growth which laid the groundwork for their success. Only now is it a hindrance since a few companies monopolize the market. And, it's debatable if it's a pure negative.

[@Moh27672]

Im Indonesian,Its crazy i have to listen news in English,, to understand the policy my own government,, because our media so fucking bad to tell the reason,, just focus on the "drama politics" instead help the government to explain,, !

[@nofanfelani6924]

Pemerintahnya sendiri gak pernah berusaha menjelaskan apa2. Asal naikin pajek buat ngisi kantong pribadi. Gak peduli rakyat mau bilang apa.

[@alfaindomart1766]

Government's poor communication + online news sensationalism + indonesians inability to read past the clickbait. This make it so fkin annoying to look for easily digestible information about any controversial new policy.

[@Calvin704704]

​@@nofanfelani6924kapan nyalon?

[@muhammadx57]

@@nofanfelani6924 idih diki2 bahas korupsi wkwk seakan akan semua kebijakan pemerntah agar pemerntah korupsi prett

[@commonsense7776]

Yea, the government made little effort to promote, explain and communicate what they're doing. Sometimes my relatives who's keen to politics and government's policies come and offered some of its program and me be like, "we have that policy?" And he was, "yeah it's been a while actually." And I just heard it for the first time.

[@gogadantes8699]

This video explains in detail why in terms of macroeconomics, the tax hike makes sense and it should then be supported. But it's very obvious the creators don't know the actual reason behind so much backlash in Indonesia against the tax hike, and it's a very simple reason. Say it with me: *THE INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE CORRUPT.* There. In Indonesia you pay your taxes, but if you get a heart attack or get hospitalized for a severe illness, your bank account gets drained it's so expensive. That is if you can even afford to pay in the first place. You go out in many Indonesian cities, you see potholes and nonexistent pedestrian facilities and trash. If you want to send your kids to a decent school, that's going to drain your bank account as well. Your house got robbed? Good luck going to the police, that's not gonna solve anything and they might even rob you nearly as much as the thieves did. Unless of course you have connections, or your case goes viral online. Social security? Senior years savings and good guaranteed pensions? Don't make Indonesians laugh. *At the same time*, they see their high ranking government officials, police officers, and tax department ranking officers having obscene amounts of money, luxury cars, luxury watches, and frequent trips to luxury international destinations. Some time ago, there was this viral case in Indonesia of a teenage son of a tax department official beating up another kid viciously, stomping on his head and everything, while taunting him and posting it online over some stupid teenage lover s**t. He ended up arrested, his dad attempted to help him but also got pulled into the s**tstorm because the case was so viral. He ended up getting investigated and turned out his wealth was over 56 billion rupiahs. The average monthly salary in Indonesia is 5-7 million rupiahs. And this is not a super high ranking official, too. God knows how much the real big fishes have. Indonesians do not trust their government. This is why the backlash. The corruption is systemic. It's a government culture. So many Indonesians feel as if they have to cough up more and more of their hard-earned money to enrich some tax official instead of actually helping the nation. Would you want to happily pay your increased tax in this situation? Comparing Indonesia to a UK or an OECD country is naivete at best, and laughably duplicitous at worst.

[@ianzerone096]

I'm with you 👍

[@imansurya9023]

Chill bro, you might get choked from spilling too much Fact 😂😂

[@asingularlittlefish]

well said, and now im just waiting for the buzzers to gank you 💀

[@AllendaleAlex]

Thank you to voiced the facts. We Indonesian will happily support the government IF ONLY they are not corrupt. That's why the increased VAT feels like being robbed when we know we will be robbed.

[@yeetboi268]

They need the money for whatever happening in West Papua

[@RUJI_PNS]

Do you also know that in Indonesia, corruption of 300 Trillion Rupiah (US$ 18,5 Billion) is only punished with 6 years in prison and a fine only 1 Billion Rupiah (US$ 61K)?? Yes, that's how bad Indonesia is. So no matter how big the VAT is, it will never be enough.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@RUJI_PNS The question is, would you dare to eradicate corruption by completely eradicate the remnants of Soeharto's cronies and also confisticate every single assests owned by his entire family members?? I don't think so...

[@RUJI_PNS]

@ignatiusryd2031 No need to go back to the past. What matters now is how the Indonesian government improves the system to stop corruption and also imposes truly appropriate punishments so that corruptors are deterred. Therefore, the taxes that paid by the people can truly be felt by the people.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@RUJI_PNS Ah, so you want to ignore the fact that the cronies from the past still haunt the country?? Sure, go sent millions of petitions to govt to implement rule to do capital punishment to corruptors and to confisticate their assets. Come on, i dare you.

[@indorailfans2532]

Shit rules

[@Jan-bz1cw]

Wow who & how they did it, any relation to current or former president? 300 trillion for 6 years in jail& 1 billion, for many, is way better than working hard your whole life & paying tax especially if you can pay the prison staffs to kerp you safe in prison. Btw whete are the rest of the 299 trillion? Shouldbt they trace & collwct it back?

[@feverdream9181]

The main issue is public distrust for the people working inside economy ministry, and how the minister always protect its department despite so many corruption cases, as if she's turning a blind eye on it and treating it as "normal".

[@Lio01_Official]

Mulyani soo.. St*id.

[@goenawanarief4027]

she may want to straight it out, but the representative (DPR) and most of the officials will not support her. so she just trun her blind eye.

[@Manusia_biasa88422]

Pajak dan korupsi itu adalah dua hal yg berbeda, alasannya gak masuk akal cuma cari alasan, masalah korupsi itu ditangani kpk bukan dibebankan pada menteri keuangan Anda jangan cari gara gara jangan jadi oposan yg menghancurkan negara.

[@Lio01_Official]

@Manusia_biasa88422 dalam badan menkeu aja banyak yg korup contoh Rafael... Itu yg ketauan yg ga ketauan.... Saya bukan oposisi bodo amat oposisi tp kepercayaan masyarakat bukan luntur lagi tapi udah ga ada...

[@aldyzero6676]

​@@Manusia_biasa88422buzzer

[@doraem0n401]

Hi im indonesian, althought its true that our VAT is not that high if compared to the rest of the world, BUT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT INDONESIAN MINIMUM WAGES IS THE TOP 10TH LOWEST IN THE WORLD 😂 (around 137 US$ per month in the central java)

[@fadhilah.ind0260]

True, bahkan ada yang cuma digaji 300rb(around $19 per month) perbulan, buat makan sehari-hari aja masih kurang🥲

[@soyUsernameWasTaken]

The minimum wage is more or less averaged at $20 per month, depending on the region. Let that sink in, westerners. $20 per month. You expect us to pay shit with that kind of money??

[@AndreasKriswanto1989]

Indonesian living in Canada here, it baffles me that Indonesia's 12% VAT almost went toe to toe with Ontario's 13% HST. I think there's so much they can do on government efficiency before the tax increase. This feels like a shortcut with no point of return (no records on tax cut because of better economy) and by the end of the day end consumers are the one who pay the price for the mess caused by the ruling power. Emphasis should be put on the practice of good governance and law enforcement first because public trust has been a problem for years due to the corrupt government.

[@fatjri_k]

We need to raise the tax so the government will be able to return foreign investment money more efficiently, Especially with their current plan to build free school lunch, with the fund aid by the Chinese government, they need to increase more government income to tackle the problem, while this policy will surely affecting a lot middle to low class citizen later on.

[@jimgreat3820]

Canada isn't any better. Everything is so pricey, especially property.

[@jimgreat3820]

​@@fatjri_ka country with abundant of natural resources and human power is relying on taxes to make everything run smoothly lol what a joke.

[@兽Arufisu]

​@@jimgreat3820at least you are well paid than in here, and good revenue

[@fadhilah.ind0260]

True, sebelum naikin pajak jg, harus dibenerin dulu ekonominya, gaji di dlm negeri kacau bgt lho, bhkan kbnykan gaji gabisa buat hidup sehari..

[@AceyWacey13]

"Why bother having a government if they cant provide the basic necessities to their people?" sarcasm at it finest 😂

[@satriaamiluhur622]

Aside from corruption, govt overspending remains a major issue in our country. Our politicians always hold meetings at very expensive luxurious hotels and even have their trips and shopping expenses paid by taxpayers money. And let's not talk about the regular overseas vacations under the pretense of "study tour"

[@perisaizidanehanapi7931]

You seem to have forgotten that our government just built a new capital city from an empty town 😂

[@satriaamiluhur622]

@perisaizidanehanapi7931 bruh calling it a town is overstatement. It was still a jungle just few years ago

[@aliff126]

@@satriaamiluhur622overspending in military created this 😢

[@lutfiprayogi2]

Kegiatan pemerintah di hotel itu menggerakkan sektor MICE. Pembangunan IKN menggerakkan sektor konstruksi.

[@cristoforusdarryl7117]

To be honest the current situation of Indonesia is worse than it was mentioned in the video, I will be showing you from the POV of the middle classes if you take the POV of lower classes you may get to pay just the VAT or even sometimes none since they will be spending on informal business sector. In 2024, Indonesian customers have to pay a VAT of 11 % PLUS an additional of ~6-8% to Service tax (charged by businesses) So imagine for every economic transaction, Indonesians have to pay the same amount of tax as UK and getting much lesser benefits. So in reality adding another 1% to VAT puts a larger strain on the customers than it's actually highlighted.

[@ItsBeePOfficial]

middle class of java probably the only area that complain that the government didn't use the tax properly freaking blind that they have privelege

[@yeetboi268]

They need the money for whatever happening in West Papua

[@fadhilah.ind0260]

@@yeetboi268 okay, tell me what happen? Lu org indo, gaush ngegoreng masalah ya, belum tentu lu jg paham issue nya bangsul ngasal mangap aja

[@zir456]

​@@yeetboi268 nah, they need to money for extra pocket

[@syedputra5955]

I pity Indonesia as it lies next to one of the largest tax haven, Singapore, where the rich dump and transact their money. Same as their businesses as trading in palm oil, timber etc are all done in Singapore. So money from these businesses does not tr rickle back home.

[@mayuravirus6134]

Even then they just raised their GST last 2 years i believe

[@4_dennyfauzulhakim479]

funfact. Indonesia's last year annual income is 2.3 trillion rupiahs, 1.8 trillion came from TAXES. commodities only amounts to less than a third of the income 😭

[@aryasyailindra9680]

yes singapore have been used as a tool for Indonesian Corruptor for a money laundry or a scheme to enrich themself in export and import

[@goenawanarief4027]

@@4_dennyfauzulhakim479 and only a fraction of the people pay tax. not to say officials who corrupt

[@HKim0072]

lol, Singapore knows how to run a country. Why drag them into Indonesia’s mess?

[@dinovega158]

It will help if the Indonesians know exactly where their taxes are used for; similar to what they have in the UK where they show where their tax revenue is used. This transparency will allow the people to know their use. This also will show the direct benefits for the people from their tax (ie., health care and education).

[@kickingman927]

you must be very rich people and not being affecting by our current situation, open your eyes, we lost 10 mill middle class, while we also decreasing a lot of buying power. this increasing tax, will hit our economic a lot

[@varnix1006]

No it will not, it's been a well known fact that every infrastructures built in Indonesia are built with cheap low quality materials and government takes the rest of the money for themselves. The budget for the program does not reflect on the quality of the program.

[@Tantamazoule]

​​@@varnix1006well known by your mother lmao, did you really think infrastruktur in this social media era Will be Made by a tofu grade cement? What a fool lol

[@EmuachPuff]

Oh boy we already know, trust me. It's on the government people's personal pocket :)

[@dorumonknight5245]

I applause this idiot dinovega. U sound like a rich people and arrogant

[@lifelemonade777]

We dont mind paying increased tax as long as it is NOT CORRUPTED!!!!

[@Portato19]

There is no point in increasing the taxes, if we have corruption and overspending. The government is always giving short-term solutions for long-term problems

[@ignatiusryd2031]

Raising VAT taxes while a vast number of middle class people are still bitterly struggles to fullfill their daily needs and basic salaries still badly stagnated for this last 5 years is not just a total injustices but also eroding the existences of middle class Indonesian that become the ones that carry most of the tax burdens. I'm afraid that sooner or later most Indonesians would grab their pitchfork and start to eat the rich since the unaffected ones would most likely the richest class of the society and corporates that already start to hike the basic sale prices of some of their products quoting the raise of VAT as their main reasons. Worsening the already bad economic slowdown that being felt by most Indonesians.

[@Maiene]

please also make content about indonesia goverment corruption problem

[@TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice]

yeah so it's easier to solve it right? right how the islamist are very corrupt in sharia aceh or pdip oligarchis stalling on laws that take the money of the corruptors fully for national use.

[@putra4101]

Corruption is in every country. You can just google malaysia 1mdb, or aussie corruption case on timor leste. And your excuse is not paying taxes? 🤦

[@777arksMa77_RGM]

Corruption exists everywhere, and sadly the most visible is Indonesia even though it's not the most corrupt country it's labeled as such by western media

[@indorailfans2532]

Up up up

[@Omgirang]

Yes.

[@shiron3077]

I'm iindonesian, currently living in australia. last time I remembered jokowi increased the tax to 11% and our cost of living increase as hell, while our wage just increase around 2-5% yearly (remember every region had different wage stardard, some lower and some higher ) . And last year I remember the highest wage you could get is around $400 - 600, and lowest is $150 - 200 back in 2020. While our cost of living like gas, foods , clothes , tax , increased by more than 10-20% the past few years from 2018 . Gotta be honest indonesia also had corrupt government , and the main problem is there are less job nowadays in the country and the high cost of living while their wages are low they. I rememberede back then I only can save $50 every months while living with only instant noodles and tried to get my bachelor degree . Also getting a good degree won't promise you get a great job either.. Thus I decided to get a job in other country, also almost all indonesian paied their taxes diligently without a doubt. I can guarantee that for sure.

[@kishitendou5492]

Look for their link to the terrorist organization, the WEF. You will own nothing ~~WEF~~

[@jimgreat3820]

Dang you managed to get a job in australia with that english? You got lucky lil bro

[@shiron3077]

@jimgreat3820 thanks! still learning english atm tho. Didn't consider myself that good at english haha. I think what they want here is honest and hardworking people, also some specified skill that needed for the job to be done, you could look one for yourself. There are many opportunities brother!

[@jimgreat3820]

@@shiron3077 sorry for being rude haha I'm in aussie right now working in a marketing agency here 😁 sup my fellow indonesian!

[@shiron3077]

@@jimgreat3820 nah, i appreciate the opinion. We all do hope with new president Indonesia will be a better country, Indonesia had a lot of potential after all, also hope mr.prabowo could fix the job problems for lower income citizen so that they could improve their future. :) .God bless us brothers

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

I oppose ANY form of taxation on top of taxed income.

[@MuhammadadibSyahfikri]

Well they tax everything here now, it was so much it become monthly

[@johng4093]

The problem is when people and businesses are able to conceal their income by using cash instead of electronic payments, or the tax agency isn't effective in tracking it. I suspect this a widespread problem in some countries.

[@dy_am]

Wonder how much Indonesia's Ministry of Finance paid this channel.

[@faridmarzuq98]

The thing is, VAT increase is not just reflected in the final product price but also will affect the whole component in the process. Let say you own a bakery. Want to buy flour to produce bread? 12% VAT. Want to buy a jam? 12% VAT. Need a new oven? BAM 12% VAT. Sorry, you need a gas to bake, don't forget to pay 12% VAT. And of course, you need electricity, we don't live in the Flintstone era, go add 12% VAT. Etc, etc. Imagine how much the price will rise just to have the same amount of profit just for one bread. And remember, you'll use your same profit to pay daily expenses THAT WILL INCREASE. So you need to increase your profit margin just to make a living. So, how much is your bread price now?

[@epxyo2231]

Every department in Indonesia is full of corruption, bribing to get a job in government department is a norm. Want to be police, you gotta sell your grandpa farmland which you will never recover from legal and honest means

[@ajoo129]

The actual condition for now is the Indonesian government choose to increase tax than fight corruption

[@zir456]

They choose to increase tax bcz of obvious reason🤣 It's to increase their money through corruption

[@bapao83]

No. The reason why they increase the tax because the officials didnt get enough money to fulfill their greed.

[@zir456]

That's true, if there no corruption, even the previous tax more than enough

[@anonyw2993]

5:32 Goverment of Indonesia have a huge responsibility of ensuring they provide the necessary infrastructure, health care, education, and social programs for their people. If not why bother to have a government if they can't provide the basic necessity to its people? If they erase corruption in the government it can be done without increasing the tax I believe. So instead of increase tax, government should make the corrupt official get harsher punishment and take their wealth back.

[@foxley95]

Increasing tax when their middle class is shrinking? Is that even a good idea?

[@budiwijaya4205]

In Indonesia, formal sector went bankrupt. People lose their job so they build street food vendor (informal) to survive.

[@sokamaru]

We need to note that the value of 10 to 11 is not an increase of 1 percent, but an increase of 10 to 11 is about 10%

[@hazmanriess8949]

That the main point. The International Investors are not going to come to Indonesian. They rather chose Malaysia.

[@RV-fr2wf]

Malaysian people can speak English and they don't waste work hours, unlike Indonesian 🤨

[@dore3faso6sido]

Malaysia ? Cause malaysia give 0% tax for 10 years Your country only get benefit from low foreign workers levy who work in those investors. In fact most locals hate million migrant workers right ?

[@arifreggit]

This statistics aren't applied to Indonesian, as of now 70% of Indonesian are middle class and only 5% is wealthy enough. Hence the increase VAT will hardly impact all economic growth rate

[@atmokoflora915]

Semua serba pajak. Beli barang kena pajak, servis motor kena pajak. sungguh miris negeri ini. Nyesel balik dari korea. Tau gitu netap di sana selamanya.

[@HKim0072]

I was shocked to see the data on how few Chinese pay income tax. It’s

[@yr6sport418]

Now all of you know why our former president said, "Kerja...Kerja...Kerja..." because he wants to ask for more tax for your hard work. And now proven, when the government has no idea how to get more money other than asking for more money from their citizens. Fun fact: every end in the last few years, the government has been so busy, very dedicated, and hard at work and thinking for their citizens. Yes, their dedication to finding a solution about what another kind of tax or retribution they can collect from their citizens. Anyway, they won't stop this VAT until it reaches at least 15%.

[@asingularlittlefish]

I don't think they will set it that high man, like, there's no way. It's too much, I think they will only stop at 200% tax, so that their people, Indonesian, can live their lives comfortably and be able to thrive! All for the golden 2045 Indonesia! 😊

[@ayuko17]

It's time to get reasonable low minimum wages for Indonesians increased to make this vat scheme realistic.

[@PermanaJayanta]

By luxury, she mean clean food, clean goods, anything that clean. Because people normally should be ok with dirty food xd

[@phxzedior6823]

Quite misleading when comparing Indonesia's VAT rate to OECD countries VAT rates. Look, Indonesia's Economic Development Level (EDL) is lower compared to OECD countries, which generally has a higher GDP per capita and a more robust tax system than Indonesia. The problem isn't the magic 12%, it's the fact that the income distribution and GDP per capita in Indonesia is still under developed, and as mentioned in the beginning, YES it will have a major impact on middle to lower income households, because those 12% will eventually add up.

[@timehasstoppedandthefunbeg4467]

The pushback mainly caused by rampant corruption and the government that didn't account for the middle income household current financial pressure, it is estimated that more and more middle income household will turn to lower income household if the government didn't take action, instead they add the pressure by increasing the VAT.

[@Ren014]

the most ridiculous thing about it, is that the corruptors who make a total loss Rp. 271T got jailed only for 6 years 🙂

[@adieu156]

This bro forgot to discuss about corruptions in Indonesia.

[@joezachary2436]

Problem is, if our currency is strong, then this tax is not a big deal. Problem comes due to our weak currency and majority having low income. Worst thing is, our inflation is happened yearly, so taxes added into it is actually a hard hit to household economy.

[@mayuravirus6134]

At this point Indomie would now cost almost 4k Rupiah per pack hopefuly it doesn't come to that because many and i mean MANY people making less than at Jakarta around 4 million would have to get a wage increase whicg many corpos don't want to do

[@notusneo]

Already cost around 3.5 k rupiah here in South Kalimantan

[@willy.asyraf]

Instead of worrying about rising prices, it's better to increase income.

[@gemmameidia8438]

​​@@willy.asyrafIya masalahnya kita di sini g bisa dan g punya hak naikin gaji bang mentok2 cm bisa usul itu pun ntah didenger apa enggak, makannya cm bs ngeluh masalah harga bahan pokok naik 😅😅

[@willy.asyraf]

@@gemmameidia8438 Orang China bekerja 2-3 kali lipat lebih keras karena tahu pendapatannya kurang.

[@notusneo]

@@willy.asyraf easier said than done

[@nyapyeey]

I'm Indonesian. It might be good for our economy in the long run, but our mistrust on the law and corrupt governments makes it harder for us to accept it.

[@AdityaFakhri]

why indonesia keeps raising VAT? because govt budget deficit somewhat deepened due to misuses and rampant corruption by leaders and officials. yet it's the people who'll always be burdened. this country is slowly decaying...

[@caa4118]

mass protest and revolution is imminent

[@tukangserpis8581]

It,s change at last minute, the Vat 12% apply to all sectors not just the luxury items..

[@gilangp2011]

_"No taxes is a good taxes that's my motto."_ I support wealth tax more than sales tax. Tax should paid by the rich's savings and assets rather than economic activity.

[@alexkennedy9978]

If poor people want to fly from the country when their taxes get higher, what keep the rich from not doing it when their taxes also get higher.

[@putra4101]

Watch again the video, there's no country big as Indonesia to had "no taxes" Unrealistic wish.

[@sandiY53]

Jadi inget Stronghold Crusader.😁

[@RandomYoutubeUser69]

Wood needed

[@willy.asyraf]

Orang gila, justru ada orang kaya maka peredaran uang masih aman. Kalau orang kaya ditarik pajaknya sangat tinggi dari mana mereka biayai gaji pekerja dan bangun usaha baru? Egois, mereka yang protes pajak naik itu karena hidup nyaman tidak mau diganggu. No tak no tak, bicara omong kosong 😂

[@rcchannel8860]

9:20 Why Indonesia's VAT to GDP ratio is so low ? (only 3.4%) 1. *0% VAT / PPN* applied to several exported mineral groups (such as coal, nickel, etc.) meanwhile these commodities have the largest contributor to Indonesia's export value. This means that the low VAT to GDP ratio is because Indonesia is not pro-people, but pro-elite and mining oligarch - clearly seen from the very low tax contributions from mining companies. 2. Less transparency towards gov n taxpayers + so many loopholes for tax revenue leakage + corruption by authorized officials at the Ministry of Finance. (IMHO)

[@imambm5638]

You're not mention about how Indonesian people is had enough with the corruptions that has sunken the economy. The govt gave big corporations (taipan and konglomerates) and wealthy people Tax Amnesty while ordinary people hit by the impact of tax rise Is this content supported by the Ministry of Finance? 😂

[@willy.asyraf]

Nonsense, tax amnesty is given not only to the rich but also to tax-compliant people.

[@ryannathaniel9296]

​@@willy.asyrafNo, only for corporations that invests a certain amount. There's no event in history where an average taxpayer is given amnesty, besides the Tax Amnesty program during Widodo's term. And the kind of people who benefited from that kind of tax amnesty are those who neglected paying their taxes up until that point. So no, you're point is mute

[@blootwoseassy2188]

How much taxes have you paid? Even warung pecel lele get a free tax

[@ShalahudinShalahudin]

There are lots of stalls and street vendors who don't pay takes

[@stevelaw5201]

Stupid.. Tax amnesty is given to all citizen who want to use it, whether it's more beneficial to the average citizen or the wealthy is still up to debate. Do you know how many citizen is not paying any income tax or even reporting their annual income?? For 270+ mio people only 20-25 have tax identification number. Tell you what? 😂😂

[@jonlbdg]

VAT is the last thing that you want to implement in a country when people are already falling out of the middle class. Time for the companies to start reporting ALL their income and paying a modest tax on profits…. Right now most businesses here keep two separate books and this costs the government much needed tax revenue…

[@thinktankmoba3670]

10:05 but around 60% their gdp is a informal sector

[@zaneexe6750]

if you ask the reason. it's a pain in the ass to deal with all the problem in formal sector so people just went for informal sector

[@koe2320]

Indonesia largest sector is informal economic activity, such an increase in VAT will make economic contractions. imo VAT is good if you have large production but in such case like Indonesia who has big informal sectors is not.

[@dore3faso6sido]

Informal activity didn't pay tax.

[@serbaserbivivo6030]

Poor people are prohibited from getting sick. Poor people are prohibited from being hungry. May you always be healthy. -

[@blootwoseassy2188]

Of course, even in Singapore, and anywhere, this laws were applied

[@kineceleren]

The issue lies not merely with the corruption rate, but with the monthly income. Indonesia’s annual salary ranks among the lowest globally. This 12% VAT threatens to erode the middle class into the lower class, push the lower class into abject destitution, and leave the impoverished in an unfathomable plight.

[@fly.into.theblue]

VAT hurts the Poor the most

[@ayuko17]

no, vat supposed to be used to subsidized the poor.

[@indonwariswantika8327]

okay thats good graphic, now try to compare it with GDP per Capita the problem is Indonesian have low salary per person eventho we have high in GDP

[@dogahost4688]

Indonesia milking middle class as usual basically, it sad when it's a majority of Indonesian.

[@PetrusFROppo]

As Indonesian, I opposed higher VAT due to higher corruption on government budget.. So, I consider srimulyani as collaborator of corruptor...

[@JRPGWarrior]

Salary in Indonesia is the top 5 lowest in the world, why they keep increasing VAT instead salary?

[@HKim0072]

Salaries have to be low for manufacturing. If not, jobs will go elsewhere. It's the the impossible task of threading the needle.

[@howtonotexist]

Wdym? isn't it the government's job to make us suffer?

[@Kwansmusic]

actually they are going to increase salary about 6 % but intuitively I feel there is something else going on here, this is just a distraction from their motives for further corruption.

[@TyoHobby]

Lowest salary, but highest tax... Small in country, but large in corruption...

[@howtonotexist]

@@TyoHobby Our hobby is corruption, very healthy🥵

[@haelykometakiung8160]

I think there is other way for government regarding money: Take care it’s corruption problem. Indonesia is on the top list corruption country. Second is to impose target for economic growth instead of only target on budget usage so the government will use the budget responsibility

[@sevenheaven5175]

18 Indonesian Police Officers detained for blackmailing hundreds of Tourists at a concert in Jakarta recently. During concert, they were pulled aside and asked to surrender passport and urine test. Eventhough the urine results negative, Indonesians Police asked them money or else wont get their Parsports back. Police collected around 2 million USD out of hundreds concert goers from Malaysia,Thailand, Singapore, Australia etc. This inccindent is huge news in Indonesia. In Indonesia, if you want yo be a Police Officer, you have to Pay or Bribes to get the job, (almost all kind of jobs) this what Indonesians say about their corrupt country.

[@Vicktorw]

yeah it's very shame for them, even my friend christian it's house got robbed, and they call cops only 2 of them go to house and leave without investigation. my friend said that officer must giving money to continue investigation

[@nasigorengpecelesteh1506]

Indonesia emas berkarat 2045

[@nayeon_twiceimnida1654]

anjay

[@dyrroth2127]

I myself am quite worried about the political conditions in Indonesia recently because public trust in the government has started to reach its lowest point, starting from the problem corruption; abuse the law; the problem police also being damaged because they are involved in cases; even problem private data that continues to be hacked. (not to mention the buzzer problem that continues to haunt Indonesia)

[@defaulted9485]

Context, current president of Indonesia is on average 12x richer than the other candidates.

[@willy.asyraf]

Is it wrong being rich?

[@hazmanriess8949]

Corrupted money during Soeharto eras.

[@adamafrixal6638]

Nothing wrong being rich. However, You do realize that this is discussing tax policies which benefit the rich, right? I still see them imply the supporting context. That this policy is made by the rich for the rich.​@@willy.asyraf

[@jimgreat3820]

​@@willy.asyrafno. The problem is how he got so rich. He aint a business man. Makes you think.

[@willy.asyraf]

@@jimgreat3820 his younger brother is a businessman.

[@SA-cb1jr]

Although we have low VAT to gdp ratio, but the goods being sold here already pricier than other countries. This is because most of goods that sold are imported from a countries with already higher VAT. So rising the VAT is not a solution. The govt should be focusing on improving our manufacturing competitiveness so that Indonesia would not relying more on importer goods, and able to produce better and cheaper products. FYI, do you know that “Tempe” as one of our main food, the beans are imported from US? Printing Batik mostly are importer from China/ India because its is cheaper produced and imported there. So ridicilous!

[@hagagkdjd9442]

omong kosong! negara sekecil Malaysia saja bisa mempertahankan pajaknya di 6% dengan segala pembangunan yang telah mereka capai. bahkan kualitas pembangunan Malaysia jauh lebih canggih dan lebih modern dari Indonesia terutama Jakarta

[@dore3faso6sido]

Hutang nya juga gede bro Hutang Indonesia 40% dari Gdp. Hutang malaysia 69% dari Gdp. Lo mau gak samain hutang ? Deficit belanja malaysia 4% dari Gdp Deficit belanja Indonesia 2.6% dari Gdp. Lo mau gak samain deficit ? Malaysia : Infrastruktur lembah KL - Selangor + ecrl + tol Utara Selatan sudah bagus di tahun 2002. Indonesia : Infrastruktur Jabodetabek, kereta cepat, tol trans Jawa sudah bagus di tahun 2024. Kalau lu orang luar Jawa yang merasa kurang nya infrastruktur maka sama dengan orang pantai timur dan Sabah Sarawak yang juga merasa kurang infrastruktur.

[@hagagkdjd9442]

@dore3faso6sido nah itu lu sudah membuktikan claim gw. Karena lu bawa-bawa GDP berarti kita harus lihat dari skala luas wilayah. Kalau di lihat dari skala luas negara malaysia dengan indonesia kira-kira 1 banding 7. Jadi jika hutang indonesia 40% dari GDP seharusnya baru bisa dibilang sebanding jika hutang malaysia 280% dari GDPnya. Jadi hutang malaysia yang hanya 65% dari GDP nya itu sudah membuktikan bahwa kualitas pembangunan mereka 1000x lipat lebih baik dari indonesia. Belum lagi jika dibandingkan dari sumber daya alam yang Bagai bumi dan langit. Pertanyaannya duitnya kmn? Jangankan wilayah yang lain. JAKARTA saja gak ada perubahan yang signifikan bahkan bisa dibilang jalan ditempat

[@dore3faso6sido]

@@hagagkdjd9442 Ngaco lu Belajar lagi macro economics. Maka nya lu sering main ke luar negara atau kalau gak ke content mereka. Lu akan sadar ternyata banyak banget comment orang di luar KL dan Selangor yang merasa negeri mereka kurang infrastruktur.

[@dore3faso6sido]

@@hagagkdjd9442 Artinya lu gak paham 😂

[@IndoG117]

@@hagagkdjd9442 jkt gk ada perubahan yg signifikan?... ok bos, sy tinggal naik MRT gak kaya dulu...

[@alexisbierquedebirkadefauv1744]

The main issue is this: they increase the tax everywhere, the most seen now is the 12% increase but they are also increasing vehicle taxes by up to 66% everything is getting pricier, yet the salaries stays stagnant the purchasing power in Indonesia is already low from the getgo due to all the taxes (luxury tax, import tax yadiyada), now its lower Now these reasons aint the main issue, its just the added salt to the injury the main thing is how with all these taxes, the taxpayers dont receieve much in return due to all the rampant corruption, Indonesians sacrifices their purchasing power by paying more while getting paid the same as before price increase, and not only that they dont get anything in return (improved infrastructure etc), we just get the bare minimum due to how all the money enters the pocket of the corrupt officials

[@Bro_Lukman]

Tolak kenaikan PPN 12%

[@ditarezkiautami8753]

I have to say I am surprised this video didn't cover the comparison between tax and people's income.

[@Dennis-xh2ec]

Sorry mate, the Indonesian people have no idea. 1% is nothing . Your talking rupiah. Not dollars. My house is worth Rp5 billion, that's 9 zeros . 20,400 to the pound. $15, 000 to the dollar . Word salad.

[@multatuli1]

The average minimum wage of Indonesian is around $100-200 😅

[@Janet1001-X]

Are there many "billionaires" in Indonesia?

[@gemmameidia8438]

​​@@Janet1001-Xnot many

[@howtonotexist]

​@@Janet1001-Xno, there are only millionaires here as you wish

[@howtonotexist]

​@@multatuli1That's not true, my wages are only $68

[@crimsonfrozenheart]

im missing something. why does it feels like he's trying to say indonesia trying to catch up to other country in the world to tax her citizen, as if its a good thing? as what people mentioned in the comments. people despised how the tax money is embezzled and not properly used for the people. Instead of taxing people more ,the government should've focused more on getting rid of all these rats in their kitchen, except how would this happen if the kitchen is run by rats? Taxing more to people is just killing people. its like trying to fill a basket with holes, or ironically as if the captain of sinking ships, asking the passenger to pump out water of the ship while he's making more holes in the hull

[@gw9714]

If government has clear plans on their budget spending, and at the same time increase public facility for indonesian people, poverty rate goes down and and economic growth can be more than 5%, this is worthed. The issue is, distrust and personal interest above country's interest. At the end of the day, still the people have to bear all the costs with no value added to them

[@hct7168]

It’s like paying a candy for a cost of steak at Michelin star restaurant. Taking a lot but getting nothing in return

[@aliff126]

So sorry our indonesian friends, the government increased the tax to support the foreign loan used to support military purchased such as Dassault Rafale which amount up to 8.4 billion pound and many more military puchase. I wish the loan was done to support your economic advancement such as advance public transport system adding more distance to current MRT, road as economic backbone and free education for all.

[@SayanPaul3600]

can we get a video exploring the success or failure of implementation of GST in India ?

[@hasanahkustar5759]

Indonesia has so many natural resources... but the results don't go to the publics. The people don't trust their government. Actually if they want, no need to increase the tax. The government just need to manage the natural resources well for people and eliminate the corruptors. But they choose to increase the tax and make the people more suffer.

[@SamsonOhsem]

Asia's people very hardworking

[@malikhaidar]

For me, the problem is not the tax increase but the reason behind it. I couldn't possibly know, but my guess is the development of the new capital. They're making it haphazardly and now people have to shoulder the weight of their incompetence.

[@mirawatiastraningdiah5636]

Ya, the video doesnt say why it increases taxes. It only compares us to more developed countries whose income per capita is high (spore income tax 6% to income per cap 65million, indon 10%tax to 4million.... big joke).

[@GalihRivky]

Indonesian here, I'm not mad if they wanted to raise taxes, clearly people that are smarter than me wanting more money for something.. I just want to know what it is.

[@albahistory7846]

Yes. statistically, VAT in Indonesia is really that low. But DON'T FORGET that our average regional minimum salary it's also FUCKIN LOW, comparable with nation like Malaysia and Singapore. When it comes to the VAT, current VAT increase suckening the citizens income. And the stimulus package you mentioned in the end of the video? Nah. It doesn't help at all. Don't forget that our government (and society) is highly corrupt. It also bring the citizen (especially the middle-income families and individuals) to a highly dissatisfaction to these VAT increase.

[@JaceTan-90]

One thing wrong with this video is the VAT (or GST) for Singapore. It’s now 9% as of 2024 and not 7% anymore. It increased 1% every year with 7% in 2022 to 8% in 2023, and 9% in 2024.

[@ronberi7773]

Philippines also had our VAT increased to 12% 20 years ago. it really hurt our wallets but it helped strengthen our economy.

[@setiawan2791]

That budget deficit you mention in 6:23 went to corrupt officers and police. Indonesia had never done any serious work to tackle corruption problem. So no matter how much the VAT increased, the deficit problem will never be gone

[@rzkylhmsyhslmn]

The government puts so much effort into convincing the people, but if it truly prioritizes justice, why not raise taxes on luxury goods or increase income taxes for the wealthy? This stands in stark contrast to the repeated tax amnesties in Indonesia. Moreover, the credibility of state institutions like the KPK, police, DPR, and the tax department remains very low. Perhaps the government should reflect on how well it has served its people before making such demands

[@aliff126]

Yup can take Malaysia as example. Our prime minister made a move by taxing the rich more and he said no to GST unless our basic salary for all is RM3000 monthly.

[@lutfiprayogi2]

PPNBM dan bea masuk kita udah cukup tinggi.

[@말라유]

38% of total GDP of indonesia is made by 87million indonesian workets all over the world . indonesia will be number 5 biggest economy power in 10 years

[@hazmanriess8949]

So let be indonesian population increase to 1 billion peoples. Easy way to get money.

[@4IZUKI]

as Indonesian my wage get slashed by tax beforehand and with that wage i need to pay another 4 kind of tax , pay meal with tax , pay drink with tax , pay fuel with tax , pay electricitt with tax, topup my e wallet with tax. this js kinda crazy 😢

[@ayuko17]

the problem is not the tax but low wages. Indonesia should be realistic about this

[@raksomsakb]

you should tax the rich , not the poor

[@putra4101]

@@raksomsakb They did, people just being triggered because of the misinformation and premature panic.

[@willy.asyraf]

The rich do all the works, you still mentioning poor people? VAT intended for people who can afford to buy things.

[@sonnygosaria2800]

Pengusaha bisa kena paling besar 35%. Belum lagi denda karena aturan segala macam yang tidak pernah disosialisasikan. Sementaran yang penghasilan di bawah 65 juta tidak kena pajak penghasilan, enak kan. Selain itu pengusaha juga kena pungutan pungutan lain yang tidak jelas😅, munkin pungli🎉🎉. Enak kan tinggal di konoha😊.

[@putra4101]

@@sonnygosaria2800 Berlindung dibalik "saya rakyat kecil" populist mentality.

[@sonnygosaria2800]

@@putra4101 benar, djp juga bisa sewaktu waktu adakan pemeriksaan pajak untuk nembak pengusaha. Batasnya 5tahun kebelakang🥲, siapa yang bisa ingat. Mereka nunggu sampai dekat batas waktu, baru periksa. Supaya kalo didenda bisa dapat maksimal😎. Keparat kan? Kebanyakan pengusaha kena denda karena tidak tahu UU yang terbit. DJP anggap semua rakyat harus tahu kalo ada UU baru, tapi sosialisasinya tidak ada. AR tidak kasih tahu.

[@ekowahyudi1642]

So this is like parents who use their money to fix the roof on sunny days, but the kids think half of that money is actually being spent on Dad’s golf club membership or Mom’s fancy handbags. Even if the roof does need fixing, the kids can’t help but feel skeptical because they’ve seen money disappear before with nothing to show for it. I believe Indonesian will understand this metaphor.

[@mroemzhiavenjq]

It is fair to compare others nation indicators to us but you missing one point, it is the average income between others nation to us. Especially those countries who has higher VAT. This slideshow is somehow misleading

[@AR-bh3mn]

🇳🇱 TAX'S 👈 🇸🇷 TAX'S 👈 🇮🇩 TAX'S 👈 All Dutch Colonies are the same 😂 Tax, Tax, Tax, Tax....... I hate Tax's 😭

[@NKY151]

Taxes you can't even SPELL THE WORD

[@hazmanriess8949]

Shown that the coutries was full of dumb and stupid politician@ less creative person.

[@blootwoseassy2188]

British did this too

[@Imzaluzzulazmi]

Up date info , VAT 12 % only for luxury goods & services. For others are still 11 % VAT.

[@dzaki8331]

Meanwhile Vietnam lowered their VAT tax from 10% to 8% in 2025 to boost domestic purchasing power,no wonder factories leaving Philippines and Indonesia 😂

[@miqs9]

Still feel mix feeling especially after experiencing the last increase, I mean on macro lv everything just make sense. It just, most Indonesia don't have that many trust left after the whole election.

[@unimelblenny]

i do not oppose tax as long as the government run it profesionally i.e singapore government. But unfortunately Indonesia has not gone into a better trajectory since reformation era esp jokowi era. Currently there are 8 packages of tax and levy (not only VAT) which will not only hurt the people but it will hurt the economy back because the usage andddd the corruption level is also increasing.. How can u save when it always going to the corruptors or oligarkh wannabe? If the govt continues, it will fell under the middle income trap category like Philippine. So sadm.. 😢

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@unimelblenny The most outlandish corruptions happened in Indonesia now were mostly happened outside Java island where the supervisions were not as strict as in Java. Perhaps one should wonder why the provinces outside Java unable to enfore strict supervisions while in Java today any single miscountings commited by civil servants even just for 100 rupiah would certainly drag people straight to the end of their carrer.

[@willy.asyraf]

Pengungkapan kasus korupsi itu justru pertanda bagus, berarti monitoring bekerja.

[@anonymed7898]

​@@willy.asyraf on top of that..having the selective prosecution is much more dangerous..

[@willy.asyraf]

@@anonymed7898 Just prove it if there is such an allegation.

[@ricosubekti1450]

we are the most generous society in the world according to World Giving Index data. we never have a problem making a tax if it is used for the right things. The problem of corruption in this country is very serious, we really hate it.

[@Pokok_Kelapa_Parut]

Increasing tax without providing basic services like piped water to every citizen is a scam😂😂😂

[@putra4101]

@@Pokok_Kelapa_Parut You forgot that we do had healthcare and relative cheap education? Blud thinking we should cut taxes and take those subsidies away. 🚶

[@sayfolman7752]

Bullshit Then Why Triggers With Banner In Malaysia Consulate In Indonesia Want to get treatment? Just go to Malaysia, it's closer and more affordable Indonesia Education And Healtcare Charged(Cost) Like America,Service Like Uganda Dig Your Own Grave First No Money,No Treatment 😂😂😂😂

[@willy.asyraf]

​@@sayfolman7752Problematic people like you have never felt it, they only talk about other people's experiences.

[@MisterMoys]

After watching this, some part of me supports the policy to increase the VAT since it will only targeted those who can afford luxuries. But some part of me still questioning, where are the Revenue collected from the VAT goes to, since as one of the citizens of the country, I barely feel the effect of the Tax Revenue being distribute to the development of the country, and not to mentioned the high rate of corruption from the tax Revenue.

[@Steve-so7uk]

Indonesia is bevoming a membwr of OECD , that is why we have to keep up to the standard. Our Universal income tax will be flat 15 %.

[@OpenYonQ]

they need to accept Israel next

[@Steve-so7uk]

@OpenYonQ well if Israel can accept the two state country with Palestine, Indonesia will recognize Israel.

[@OpenYonQ]

@@Steve-so7uk then goodbye OECD..

[@ignatiusryd2031]

​@@Steve-so7uk The problem is, do Palestine would recognize Israel as a sovereign country and vice versa?? Looking at the latest escalations, it seems that both were still unwilling to recognize each others which for Indonesia, unless if KSA or even Palestine themselves openly recognize Israel as a sovereign country, then its a big no for Indonesia to recognize Israel...

[@eddyr1041]

​@ignatiusryd2031 for humanity they should been a long time... But I guess always get stuck on jerusalem status... hence never happened... even arafat get stuck on that issue... Jerusalem... a name of ironic... Jeru shalom... Don't live up to the name, at least in out life time😅

[@NERDY_Rick]

No. I think this video missed a lot of the nuance. I think, as mentioned before, theres a question of transparency, as to whether this 1% can be used efficiently for the economic. But moreover, due to wealth inequality (the top 4 richest have more wealth than the 100million poorest) it doesnt make sense to tax everyone as a whole, why not just tax the rich? Also, you failed to mention that Indonesia has one of the lowest minimum wage in SEA. i mean if you want to compare Indonesia to other countries the way you did, you need to mention the minimum wage situation as well. Also, "luxury tax" is pure bullshit to make it sound better than it is. They also tax soap, detergent, online delivery, online payment service. And also, considering theres a supply chain, a 1% increase can lead to 9-10% down the line at the end of product. You see, its more than just 1% of increase. I felt like either purposedly, you left out a lot of key information as to why we are so opposed to it. Do better, this video is quite disappointing

[@aryasyailindra9680]

the problem in Indonesia is the lack of understanding from Indonesia Citizen about the importance about taxation, tax is the life blood of a country, government collect tax from it citizen and return it to citizen in another form such as electricity, clean water, gas, oil subsidy, building infrastructure, cheap education and ect, because our country constitution demand it so. yes our GDP is lower compared to other country and the reason is as explained in the video, however what you need to know is Groceries, basic goods and services, health care and education, electricity, gas and fuel are also very cheap here compared to other country, even poor people here owned a land and a house which mostly farmer, which in US while their GDP is very high but most of US common citizen does not own a house or a land, Groceries, basic goods and services, health care and education, electricity, gas and fuel are very expensive. not many people realized that living in Indonesia is better than in other country

[@lutfiprayogi2]

Plus baru selesai tahun politik, dan PDIP jadi oposisi. 😂

[@taufikpro9507]

The corruption is very high in indonesia. Peoples already very sick about it.

[@OpenYonQ]

I support Indonesia 12% VAT

[@howtonotexist]

we want higher 50% - 95% 🥵