Why Ironheart SUCKS - A Scene Comparison

[@dmartig1]

2/3 of the original Iron Man is watching him develop the suit(s) through trial and error. It was fascinating and when he uses it to save the hostages it all feels so earned.

[@seasnaill2589]

And thats why Iron Heart here feels unearned, cause we don't see any of that struggle. We just learned her name and ope, she's also a genius who built a special vibranium radar and ope, she already has an ironman suit and ope, ITS ALREADY FUNCTIONAL BITCHES LETS FLY YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!! We get the suit before we get to really see any of her character.

[@jedibrooks7235]

EXACTLY earned is the key word.

[@Byronic19134]

Yes because it was IronMan movie while RiRi show has not yet released so the comparison is ridiculous you would have to compare her to Hawkeye or Nat.

[@ShovelChef]

​@@Byronic19134, let's explore that. Nat was undercover as some kind of assistant to Tony in Iron Man 2, right? Then she slowly reveals her fighting abilities on his bodyguard in a comedic boxing scene. Then she plays a decent supporting role in the final battle, as full on Black Widow; knock out some goons without killin em, hack stuff, look hot doing it, see y'all in the next one. I don't know if that's much development? But it's something. I don't remember much of Clint's development in Thor; I'd have to see it again. He has a moment where he could take a killshot at Thor, and for some reason he doesn't. He gets much more to do in the Avengers movies, as does Nat. Personally, even from the glimmers I can remember, I think they're both better written than this version of Iron Heart.

[@h5v1y0]

Bad take you’re comparing 3 films of character development to a character in a film that isn’t even hers. This makes no sense and Iron man is my favorite character. This it a ridiculous comparison.

[@gianmatute7577]

One minor detail that Iron Heart lacks is the way her suit plays out, Tony's suit felt heavy, complex, but most importantly realistic, it was a mix of fiction and reailistic along with pretty good visuals, while Iron heart Riri's suit feels looks and feels completelly CGI, and doesnt give the audience an impression of realism

[@christopherjakel1049]

Poor CGI at that. I could do a hand drawing with Crayola crayons that looks more realistic than that suit.

[@SomeRandomJackAss]

Also, remind me, do we ever see Riri actually put on either suit? One of the best details throughout Iron Man's film history is the suit-up, from the first wholly mechanical suit-up, to the later CGI nano machines suit, it looked cool and gave insight into how the suit functioned at a glance, while also making it seem believable. IIRC, Riri just appears in the scene in her suit every time.

[@marconotonfacebook3480]

It's also due to a far less able actor/actress. They want us (the audience) to believe a child can do a man's job...but the opposite is true as we see.

[@bumbleguppy]

looks like a gundam

[@Windy_Artist-Dev]

And the suit is totally terrible, even if it had good CGI it has a horrible design.

[@gngrblls2thwall]

If she’s already built an iron man suit and a vibranium detector, I wonder what she’s gonna be able to do after she finishes learning differential equations

[@vanessac1721]

Exactly. That makes no goddamn sense.

[@HNedel]

Is there even a class called „Differential equations“??? Why is it not calculus? 🤔

[@tkmasd9204]

​ @HNedel They wanted something unfamiliar to most people

[@dwboston1]

@@HNedel I had a Differential Equations class in college, after taking Calculus. That was 30 years ago though.

[@HNedel]

@@dwboston1 i googled it, MIT offers that course, and even has lectures on it here, through OpenCourseware! Course 18.03 😄 Feel kinda stupid 🙈

[@Threadnaught]

Tony's trauma: Losing both his parents, being ambushed by terrorists using his own weapons, being abducted by those terrorists, being tortured by those terrorists, watching Yinsen his only companion during his captivity die for him, being betrayed by his business partner, having his suit damaged and almost destroyed by the son of his father's former business partner, flying a nuke into a rift portal above New York City and almost dying, being kidnapped by a different terrorist group, seeing his partner be injected with a mutagen by the leader of that terrorist group, creating Ultron, fighting the Hulk, causing the deaths of hundreds of people at Sokovia, almost killing his best friend, learning the identity of the man who killed his parents and being unable to take revenge, realising what having created the Sokovian Accords actually allows the government to do, being beaten and almost killed by the genocidal alien, having his "son" Iron Boy Junior die in his arms as he was killed by said genocidal alien and being stuck on a broken down spaceship for a month. Riri's "trauma": Her teacher once told her "You will never be... Tony Stark." when she was a child.

[@Redacted_Theorist]

So basically, a life story that would make any normal man end it all, vs. Every high-school students day to day interaction with a bad teacher.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

@@Redacted_Theorist Yyyyyup. And Disney wants us to root for the spoiled teenager as much as they want us to root for Iron man. Ain’t ever EVER gonna happen

[@Redacted_Theorist]

​@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access what makes me really mad is that, compared to Iron Man, this character is written like a 4 year olds original character. She's almost perfect all the time and barely ever loses anything. Really just shows Disney loves reputation. Only problem? Disney thinks representation means "YOU GET ALL THE CASH IN THE WOOORLD!" They really want money all the time, so why not use "representation" all the time! So they take their old movies and were popular, make them a live-action, and cast a "diverse" actor to play the role. Unlike some of their old live-action remakes, they don't even tweak the story a little to keep it original.

[@Redacted_Theorist]

I don't think representation is bad. That is stupid. But taking something already popular and changing it isn't representation, it's lazy. Why not do something like The Princess and the Frog? That had diverse characters but DIDN'T take away from something else.

[@optimusprime7243]

​@@Redacted_Theorist oh you mean Ash blac- I mean snow white? Lmfao

[@TheWiggleTuff]

It’s crazy how 75% of the first iron man movie didn’t even feel like a super hero movie. It’s just genuinely a good movie

[@MBS..]

Same with the Incredible Hulk

[@juniorjames7076]

There's no way in hell the first Iron Man (or the sequel) could be made today. Every other scene would be "cancelled" today. Kevin Fiege and this crew of writers and producers had free reign to fulfill their vision because the top corporate suits didn't care yet. But by Age of Utron everyone was paying attention. Everything comes to an end. We lived through a GOLDEN AGE OF SUPERHERO MOVIES, and it was something special. Avenger's Endgame was literally the END of that Golden Age. Its over. Be excited for whats next in film......

[@soaphelps]

@@juniorjames7076 i own every marvel movie up to endgame. i havent even seen a marvel movie since endgame. screw the woke trash.

[@slowazzd2165]

What the fuck does that even mean?

[@male_enjoyer]

​@@MBS..nah you're crazy

[@mrman1457]

Part of what I like about Ironman is that the first batch of suits felt and looked like they could almost be real. We got to see him build them and that none of them were perfect and had flaws like you'd expect in real life. He didn't just build a perfect suit on his second try. Part of his brilliance was showcased by how each suit evolved and improved on the last which is something we don't really see with Ironheart

[@ilovewaffles321]

Yeah, like how mark II was bad at high altitudes, so mark III improved on that by switching up the material. Then, when mark III/the suitcase suit got manhandled by electric whip man, he improved on it again and this is shown with the mark IV in the first avengers, where Thor electrocutes him, but it just gives him more power instead.

[@dutch_asocialite]

I still remember when the Mark IV was new and thought it was the hottest shıt ever, especially since I used to have a small magazine that allowed me look over and compare all the suits at the time. Just seeing how much less bulk the Mark IV had to the (previously state of the art) Mark III was like comparing an F/A-18F with an F-104C.

[@dutch_asocialite]

@@ilovewaffles321 Just to clarify, the Mark III wasn't used in Iron Man 2, since Tony uses the Mark IV for most of it until he creates the Mark VI at the end. The Suitcase Suit is designated Mark V.

[@brendenhawley2225]

I think the issue is they do not want spend all the time building up the tech again after the first iron man did it. So they are skipping the scene and making Riri start at level 10 outside the killing sewer rats phase.

[@brendenhawley2225]

@@ilovewaffles321 It was really nice how every suit fixes the flaws of the previous suit.

[@Spiney09]

When you think about it, Yinsen sort of saved the world by starting Tony down the path of iron man. What a legend.

[@rookiegameplay7519]

What

[@rookiegameplay7519]

Who is Yinsen

[@Spiney09]

@@rookiegameplay7519 the guy who helped Tony in the cave.

[@Cho0segoose]

There was a deleted scene where Tony saw Yinsen after using the infinity guantlet

[@rookiegameplay7519]

@@Cho0segoose WHY DO THEY DELETE THOOSE GOOD SCENES. THE SAME WITH SPIDERMAN CALLING THE COPS. THE SAME WITH WHEN (I forgot bros name) SAID THEY COULD COMBINE THEIR BEST (he got hulk muscles and Hulk got his brain)

[@alphasierrabravo5905]

Tony Stark is such a good character that legitimately halfway throughout this video I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT that Ironheart was in here somehow. I was too invested in the breakdown of such a good character I genuinely forgot the video was a comparison.

[@perryekwueme996]

Rewatching Iron Man was a very weird experience. You can feel how far Marvel has strayed from making special characters.

[@rallen7660]

You saw the difference between Marvel storytelling, and Disney "storytelling". One was skillful, talented, and full of lessons that apply to everyone. The other was backed up by woke, mouse-driven dollars, aimed at brainwashed cultists.

[@Mopark25]

Ms Marvel came out last year and everyone loved Kamala

[@edsmiley5134]

@@Mopark25 I didnt. I couldnt even finish the first episode. Also it has pretty low ratings so you're wrong

[@Mopark25]

@@edsmiley5134 98% on Rotten Tomatoes and 78% on Metacritic 😂 Looks like you're wrong.

[@brittishbrittish7680]

Disney has had control over these critic websites ever since shit hit the fan for them. I don't look at these anymore because 90% of THEM are just woke activists who cant be reasoned with just like you 😑

[@kylefrank638]

I like how, after Stark's story is so perfectly straightforward, five seconds into summarizing Ironheart's introduction, there's already glaring questions such as "How did she build a detector for a substance that is essentially absent from America... where she developed the detector"

[@gilmaguirola]

Iron Heart 🤡

[@timmortalone8579]

Tbf, it isn't implausible that an innovation for one thing is used for another entirely different thing. Radar tech gave birth to Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which was adapted into the medical instrument we know as the MRI.

[@Iron-Bridge]

How? Plot and script magic of course 😀🤣

[@Iron-Bridge]

Question was HOW this particular character... this apparently regular student managed to meet the implausible condition of building a detector for a substance that's not common or local to her reality. 🤦🤷‍♂️.

[@somehighlights2851]

I can think of a theoretical way, something in the lines of "Vibranium has this or that characteristic", or reacts to X that other way", things than can be known about the material, but they expect us to assume "she's a genius", and that's it.

[@ForeverLaxx]

It says a lot that they knew her comics introduction was so bad that they had to completely re-write it, and they still managed to make it arguably worse. Good job, DisneyMarvel.

[@totallynotamimic3522]

That's a pretty impressive feat, considering her comic origin included her literally asking her teacher to be racist/sexist towards her so she would have a goal in life. Pretty hard to do worse than that

[@geelangadipr223]

Marvel already did their job, then disney see their work it became terible.

[@wumpusrat]

@@totallynotamimic3522 My favorite bit of her comic introduction was the 4-5 panels of her just staring daggers at her teacher because the teacher refused to be racist and sexist at her. I mean...wtf?

[@legendarymarston9174]

​@@wumpusrat ...Please tell me you're joking. How can anyone come up with that?

[@Marveryn]

@@legendarymarston9174 not a joke that how she was introduce in the comic. What we are seeing in the screen now is how modern comic writers see the world now. Waiting for all the big/ gay hero to start popping out in the next few years in film cause of this.

[@Gus_Bosniyskiy]

I feel like Thanos snapped away not only half of the MCU's population, but also a good chunk of good MCU screenwriters, which Hulk forgot to restore. RIP cool MCU

[@natie3322]

So many years between the first “I am Ironman” to the last “I am Iron Man.” It was a hell of a payoff and a hell of a ride we went on. Everything after has been a insult to Iron Man, Stan Lee and us.

[@sergeantlightning6178]

Not everything. Far From Home, No Way Home, Loki, Wandavision, Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Across the Spider-Verse, and Guardians of the Galaxy 3 are all good.

[@MoojinBoi]

​@@sergeantlightning6178 hard disagree on half of those

[@sergeantlightning6178]

@@MoojinBoi I assume you arent a fan of the TV shows?

[@sergeantlightning6178]

coz GotG 3 and all of the spider-man after were amazing

[@rupom5881]

​@@sergeantlightning6178Wandavision sucked hard. The episodes in the Next were Amazing but at the end, It became a Hypocrite movie. If they followed the formula of the First few episodes and didn't chicken out, It would have been the best TV show. Across the Spiderverse Is easily the best choice there.

[@cybertramon0012]

Seeing these scenes made me realise that Tony - who started out as a war profiteer, even if he thought he was only selling to the US Army - cares so much more about lives than Riri. As soon as he gets back, he immediately shuts down his weapons division simply because he saw terrorists had his weapons. He only uses his most dangerous stuff on people we all know definitely deserved it, and when he couldn't take a less lethal approach. Also, the joy of the Iron Man suit was that it looked realistic. It looked like something that theoretically could exist in our world. Ironheart just looks like cheap CGI; it looks like it belongs in a CGI Tv show rather than a multi-million dollar film.

[@omegaslayer]

Look like someone fused the original Iron Man suit with a Gundam.

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

​@@omegaslayer Totally unrelated to your reply, but why does the Ironheart suit, remind me of a bee?

[@omegaslayer]

@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Good lord. She’ll literally be a few steps away to appear in a crossover film with Ant Man.

[@doctorkrieger4404]

Did you by any chance watch he new transformes? 1 to 1 the same suit

[@Bilbo122333]

@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 I was thinking the same thing. She looks like she came out of the cartoon

[@TheDesiDragon]

My biggest issue with Ironheart is how quickly she went from a scrappy looking suit to a literal god-tier Wakandan one within minutes, and also the fact that the Wakandan suit looked like fake plastic CGI garbage

[@ArchCatalyst]

I can't help but think of Big Bad Beetleborgs every time I see that suit

[@d1nodray]

Yes

[@Manontheinternet-od6yd]

@@ArchCatalyst it has been many months since I have thought about that show

[@joespicer6635]

Young black and strong that's why 😭

[@hamburger650]

dawg she fr harmed cops

[@Mio96O-O]

If that Harley kid from iron man 3 become the next iron man it would be better and makes more sense. Here's why: -His life was saved by tony -He knew peter parker -He is a smart mf -He gave tony the idea to make iron man suit more stealthy while just being an 11 year old kid -He actually have a solid relationship with Tony which gave him a clear reason to become the next iron man (Extra reason) He look handsome af in endgame [im not a simp]

[@NaisanSama]

Last one is valid

[@azureblue9829]

valid

[@DarthAwesome117]

Last one is entirely valid tbf, this is Marvel after all.

[@JADE-vw3ff]

Last one was valid He is also hotter than that brat heart tbh...

[@thomassantino392]

This is a chick and she's black, that's hollywoods reason to do anything

[@curtisbryce5096]

My question is, "How the hell could she afford building a suit"? I think Tony spent millions of dollars on his.

[@SilencedHalo]

Exactly. Its just piss poor writing and plot holes all around. We know how Tony was able to afford the ability to build his suit, because hes a fucking tech mogul and a massive industry giant, literally a massive weapons manufacturer and multi billionaire. Building the suit to him was probably STILL just a drop in the bucket overall, everything included. But to some fucking college student working out of a bumfuck nowhere warehouse where you'd have to steal everything at best? No way you'd be able to buy even HALF of the stuff you'd need at that tech level, god forbid assemble most of it with your bare hands. Tony had the machinery to build most of his stuff, where the hell did RiRi get the machinery to build and refine her metals and tech? I dont see any metal presses or forges in that warehouse lmao. Such a shit written character, Marvel has gone so far downhill

[@digitalcurrents]

Millions of dollars?? "Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!"

[@phageling9949]

@@digitalcurrentsyeah, the bad one that fell apart soon after usage.

[@batperson3532]

​@@digitalcurrentsthose box of scraps are full of components used to build WMDs. What Obadiah meant was that Tony didn't have the industrial grade equipment and resources his engineers have at their disposal not that he literally had to work with just a box of scraps lmao.

[@krishp1104]

also it doesn't matter how intelligent you are but marvel made this girl do things that apparently no one in the world at 17 just because she's the main character

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

the thing with the icing scene that made it work so good was tony pulling the air break. His suit had a mechanical system, a back up. Almost like he expected something like this and planned ahead. He didn't just luck out, his genius design had tools he could use and his galaxy brain gave him the insight to use them.

[@HI_IM_MIKO]

Thats what i'm saying, he had something non digital, a physical system as a failsafe for something like this. Instead, Riri just defies the damn laws of physics and somehow floats above the water after plumeting 1000's of feet. Just looking at tony's scene he understands how to fly when in that situation, instead of trying go straight up and slow himself, he leans into the flight path and pulls up in a curving motion. It's almost like i dunno the people writing these movies were actually trying at the time.

[@jjw2520]

He's an arms genius. Military hardware is generally designed with several redundant systems in place. He knows his gear so well because he also built it. Cracking writing!

[@marcuseleazer3058]

Tony learned from his mistake

[@omitorrent7492]

That’s actually how building and engineering works really, if not you have to be all the time failing and try to understand why

[@peterparker9954]

Tony always learned from his mistakes Riri is just black

[@AC-ut3nk]

It start with "Doesn't waste your life" and ended with Tony used his life to save the entire galaxy. He is the real ironman.

[@Man_Aslume]

*Universe Yup, Iron Man did not

[@irrevenant3]

Yes, Tony is an amazing character and RDJ did an amazing job of playing him. No-one's going to replace Tony and Riri isn't an attempt to do so, she's a different character. Let's give her a chance to find her feet rather than hating on her before her show's even dropped.

[@Kai97119]

​@@irrevenant3sorry man last time that logic was used we got She-Hulk.

[@irrevenant3]

@@Kai97119 Are you advocating that we should default to disliking any character that isn't immediately great? So we should be hating on Thor and Hulk for their mediocre starts, and maybe even Dr Strange (who, let's face it, was pretty much a lame Tony Stark rip off in his first film - he didn't really hit his stride until Infinity War)? Personally I thought She-Hulk was fine. Not amazing, and not without its flaws (for starters can we please have more actual legal scenes in a series called She-Hulk: Attorney at Law?), but the more laid back/slice-of-life approach to superheroing was a nice change of pace. And the show was overall pretty fun, as was the meta-commentary angle (and yes, I agree Deadpoil did it better, but it was still fun enough here). Series 1 was decent and I'm hopeful that series 2 will iron out some of the kinks and be even better.

[@Kai97119]

@@irrevenant3 comparing Thor and Hulk's first movie to the mediocre as fuck She-Hulk show is not only insulting but just flat out embarrassing. I'd happily rewatch their origins than have to witness She-Hulk twerk.

[@cb-gz1vl]

6:32 - That burger king shot was a call back to Downey at his lowest in his career going through a drive through and sitting in his car eating a Whopper and contemplating how low he had gotten. He said that's when he turned around.

[@LuoSon312_G8]

imagine being so depressed, you cannot enjoy a cheeseburger or hamburger.

[@funsterkeyven]

Yeah this whole "i like her" is so annoyingly manipulative but it represents the narcissistic emotional bullshit of the writers nicely.

[@neomilw4703]

They write that line “I like her” desperate to tell you how to feel. Rather than actually writing well and you authentically liking the character.

[@daCATgraphics]

In my experience when someone is rude to you the last thing you want to say is "I like this one". Not only lazy writing (because they keep doing it) but utter nonsense in a real social situation

[@shawklan27]

When thor said that he liked captain mahvel in endgame I just roll my eyes. It's like the writers were pressuring me to like her.

[@neomilw4703]

An additional observation. Black Panther 2 was a challenging movie. Asking backup characters to try to carry a whole movie. Extremely poor time to introduce a whole new character (iron heart). Her whole presence seemed forced and like terrible writing

[@intboom]

I've seen it in Marvel, ST:D, NewStarWars, basically any franchise that's gone to shit in the past 4/5 years seems to use this.

[@KlyosXA]

In retrospect I am glad Tony Stark sacrificed himself, removing himself from the MCU. After what they did to Thor I can't even begin to imagine what they would have done to Tony Stark. I base this off how Tony Stark is the antithesis of the message Disney wants to put out and how his character was treated in "What if...?"

[@mojowasabi8823]

What if honestly has to be some of the most dogshit writing i have ever seen in a film/series by a major hollywood studio... some "cool" ideas (also some really stupid ones) but terrible execution.. not to mention that "animation" idk if it can even be called that... that shit made my eyes bleed

[@jackmesrel4933]

I dread your answer, but what did they do to his character in the "what if" scenarios?

[@WhistleDungeon]

@@jackmesrel4933 They killed him off in every episode he appeared.

[@BrickDaddy420]

@@jackmesrel4933 Stark is killed in all but one universe where he shows up, and he goes down like a chump every time

[@KlyosXA]

@@jackmesrel4933 Search: "WHAT IF...? Every Ironman Death scene" The only one I agree with is the scenario if Ultron succeeds in "Age of Ultron"

[@veritasome5965]

That atrocious suit design is enough to inspire hatred all by itself. She never struggled, she never failed and she never reached a profound realization of her inadequacies in order to grow from it and become a better person. She’s just written to be not only as good but even better than Tony Stark while doing absolutely nothing to earn it, it’s insulting and one of many reasons comic fans despise her.

[@JubElectron]

She has enough fans to be put in a movie tho lol 😂 she did struggle it just wasn’t in the movie 🎥 people are just mad her suit is better than Tony’s Tony’s suit is made of gold titanium alloy, her suit is made of vibranium which is stronger. The suits are powered by the same arc reactor. Therefore her suit is stronger as it has better defence vibranium is stronger than gold-titanium that’s just facts. Captain America ripped off Tony’s helmet with his bare hands. So you are factually wrong. Imagine all these people getting upset over fictional characters they must really have no lives. U can’t say she has no struggle when her dad literally died that’s a struggle and she’s from low income. And anyone saying “go read a comic” ok nerds I’ll read the comic and still like her character. You all can’t handle someones opinion. Nobody cares that you like tony stark better and tons of people love she hulk and ms marvel is the greatest marvel project ever made. Rdj is the best iron man actor but get over yourselves all you are being d riders and have been brainwashed by his acting in over 7 movies and the comics you like and are comparing that to 15 minutes of screen time lol. Tony’s character is arrogant and u say she can’t be? Sounds racist to me… Get a grip on reality , touch a whole lot of grass because only corny internet people care about getting “ratioed” I couldn’t care less when I have a song out on Spotify with 110,000 plays. Can’t wait for iron heart to come out!!!! Bc she will be back whether you like it or not!!!! SO I WIN!!!! :D keep arguing like a bunch of nerds . Oh yeah and TONY IS DEAD LOL 🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦🥦 His daughter gonna get a iron man suit without earning it too!! They are all nerds who go to Comic-Con and simp for fictional characters I’m not even dissing just stating facts. They want to fit in so bad they agree with whatever everyone else thinks about comics so that they won’t lose their identity and fake friends. They’re starved for attention and their only friend is tony stark bc they feel alone in a cave their whole life and need a suit of comic book armor to get friends and will spend all their money at comic con to feel included in something. Way to stick your ground and not stoop to their level of insults just because of differing opinions. That shows character in todays day and age where people will agree with everyone else bc they need likes to feel secure about themselves were talking about the MOVIES and a comic getting cancelled doesn’t mean anything. There’s a number of factors which cause comics to do well such as the economy I didn’t get ratioed…. All your comments got 0 likes and mine got 9. So you got ratioed actually! Thanks for watching

[@veritasome5965]

@@JubElectron I have my doubts about a fan base considering her comic sales tanked and was subsequently canceled. And her suit was never explained either, she just magically built it. Why? She was essentially handed the position of Iron Man while being shown to do nothing to be worthy of it. That’s why her comic sales tanked so hard alongside Ms Marvel, comic readers can’t respect a hero with no redeeming personality or flaws who you’re expected to celebrate by writers who keep overtly shoehorning them in as perfect when they’re just arrogant, condescending and toxic.

[@XaadeTheBlade]

@@JubElectron Uh no. Tony's last suit would have put hers in the ground in 10 seconds.

[@FROST-ui5fr]

its crazy how you guys are shitting on her already

[@veritasome5965]

@@FROST-ui5fr Already? She’s been around for awhile now, there’s just nothing compelling about her.

[@HighWayGaming64]

Phase 1 of Marvel is truly marvelous, they able to combine Sci-fi (Iron Man), Fantasy (Thor), War (Captain America) and Horror (Hulk) to make The Avengers. Today's Marvel Phases are all Fantasy :/ to me at least.

[@yeshuaislord3058]

That's what made early marvel so good, you hit the nail on the head. You really got to know and understand these characters, they were flawed but overcame and changed in a way that is enjoying to see. Now it's all CGI and quips. I do not look forward to anything marvel does and I do not allow my children to watch anything marvel or Disney does, phase 2 was still good and had great movies, even some in phase 3 still maintained those aspects that were in the early MCU but they should've stopped at endgame

[@HighWayGaming64]

@@yeshuaislord3058 Yep =w= you can see their development :3 Feels like Thor gets the worst development, next to Hulk after endgame :/

[@EFTOURS-i9s]

​@@HighWayGaming64Thor Actually Got A Great Character Development In Ragnarok

[@HighWayGaming64]

@@EFTOURS-i9s I agree he got humanity in him and learns to control his emotions... until endgame of course but to Love and Thunder, it's just bad..

[@RandomGuy41511]

"I came to realize that I have more to offer this world than just making things that blow up." Gets me every time

[@Exalted_Truth]

Oppenheimer...?

[@irrevenant3]

@@Exalted_Truth Or Alfred Nobel?

[@grahamhill676]

​@@Exalted_Truth....Tony stark...

[@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904]

​@@Exalted_Truththis can honestly apply to many people, but in the context of this video it's Tony Stark.

[@JustapErson]

New black girl proceeds to just make things blow up. So poetic.

[@strider029]

It would have been acceptable if the kid from Iron Man 3 took the mantle as he's the one who makes much more sense than what we had.

[@somerandomuser5155]

He looks like discount Garfield Amazing iron man🎉

[@LiterallyMe91]

The kid from iron man 3 is Tom Holland's spiderman (not Tomm Holland himself, but his character)

[@manukau5271]

@@LiterallyMe91no it’s the kid from Iron Man 2

[@onlydubst7p]

no they need gender equality and just that no explanations given no fucks given about plotholes just make the team half girl yeee slaaaaay queeeeeeeeen

[@TheWizard1408]

@@LiterallyMe91 that's the kid in iron man 2 with the iron man mask on at the end fight

[@Keitto191]

Fun fact: in the original comics Riri’s teacher originally supported her and said she could do anything she put her mind to. However Riri wanted to feel oppressed and basically demanded her teacher tell her the opposite. Fed up with it the teacher said “Fine, you can’t be like Iron Man.” So there you have it Ironheart’s story is she wanted to be better then Tony Stark, whereas Iron Man’s story is that he wanted to be better then the man he was. Edit: Wow, thanks for so many likes guys! 😊

[@bryanwoods3373]

"What inspired you to be a hero?" Peter: "Uncle Ben taught me that with great power must also come great responsibility." Miles: "I watched my Peter kill himself saving people during a crisis." Bruce: "I became irradiated during a gamma bomb test and wanted to use my curse as a blessing." Riri: "My 3rd grade teacher bet me I couldn't outdo Tony Stark."

[@enzoongweekiat1711]

@@bryanwoods3373 worse than that it’s more of ‘I forced my teacher to say that I can’t be iron man’

[@syler100]

@@enzoongweekiat1711 and the forced Teacher was right she can't...

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

All they had to do was have her teacher believe in her but because theres soooo many geniuses in the marvel universe SHE doesn't believe in HERSELF. She thinks that she is just a fish in a VAST ocean So they add a "healthy" level of insecurity that can be used to build her character from Essentially make her opposite of Tony who was always good at what he did. Pompous and full of himself at first Riri would be this over achiever always trying to outdo herself. And sometimes getting so far ahead of herself she could have to face dire consequences because of how much she wanted her invention to be the next great thing. Looking up to Tony and seeing how he changed for the better, this would inspire her to take it slower and put her technology to better use. Thinking a little more before she acts in the line of "some things should just never be made" I made all this up the moment I began typing this comment btw so its a little rough😂. But this character is NOT that hard to make compelling especially since she is a deritive which marvel ALREADY cracked the formula for back in the 70s... All they had to do was follow their own formula that they used for characters like the OG comic She Hulk by essentially flipping the script which gains acess to a whole new set of potentoal stories

[@Sorain1]

@@no.1spidey-fan182 Thing is, your writing for a Heroic character, and the writers over there don't understand what heroism is. So they write villains without understanding that. Both Riri's original and this introduction are solid Villain origins. Someone who wants an excuse for their behavior and seeks one, and someone who puts no value in the world and people outside of herself. Classic villain archetypes.

[@AyuKasioy_]

Marvel back then: Let's add super small detail to every scene to make it convincing and realistic Marvel now: DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY DIVERSITY

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

"Diversity" you mean black woman and gay woman that is like the only diversity that these people care about if you are a black male they will shit on them and make them a a complete joke look what they did to Nick Furry, Sam Wilson and Finn. And the Acolyte has a black male character being played as a joke and killed off

[@JohnDaker35p]

Its not the diversity part. Its the fact they think that thats all you need to make a character. Miles Morales is awesome, he's a cool character in a great couple movies, because the people who made it put a lot of thought and effort into fleshing out the world and characters. The diversity they represent in the film sits on top of solid world building, which works great. I think more fundamentally its just laziness. Lets shove a character who the kids will like, who cares about anything else they'll go to the theatre for it anyway. Disneyfication.

[@mirror2760]

Honestly her lack of care for others is what puts me off her. A character's morality is one of the most interesting things about them. It will determine their actions, goals and ideals throughout their show. If it is established that a character doesn't care about innocents then a scene where they ignore people dying to further their own goals makes sense. But if their goals involve getting involved in a war to save other innocent people it makes you question why they are so willing to help one group but not another.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

That's easy: The people she killed earlier were all evil white ‘colonizers’. While the people she’s going to war with are ‘her own people’.

[@GerardGousman]

She's a angsty teenager focused on her education. She was on scholarship at MIT, don't go to class she gets kicked out. The gravity of the situation isn't gonna set in instantly.

[@RealGateGuardian]

Riri is actually WORSE in the movie from what I've seen. She's a terrible character in the comics as well. She is 100% unlikeable.

[@glint6070]

@@GerardGousman They can show that, hell, 20 seconds of film showing her getting incredibly anxious & panicky when she gets caught in traffic or something while she needs to get to class, or maybe just a small phone call with her parents telling them how proud they are of her getting into MIT, or maybe, BOTH Also, once its established, it can't just be dropped, there have to be continuous scenes where there is conflict between pursuing a conventional education & her heroic goals; hell, show her on the verge of getting on academic probation, trying to argue her way out with the fact she's saving lives, & the structure of academia is just refusing to accommodate her because it's not their problem There are many, many ways to do this, this is why he makes the point that nothing is wasted in the original Iron Man, they make use of every second, while here they just seemingly don't understand the value of time at all

[@IPA300]

It’s not your job to defend bad writing. It’s Marvel/Disney’s job to, among other things, produce good writing. You should be chastising Disney for writing crap, instead of doing mental gymnastics to pretend it’s not crap.

[@zNEKOMARUz]

Tony: Went through hell to develop his technology. Was kidnapped and almost died due to his friend betraying him. Spent years developing his suit that not a single other person could figure out how to make by themselves. Riri: Somehow figured out how to make an ironman suit offscreen.

[@sugartoothYT]

How did she build a vibranium detector? I haven't seen the movie, but the summarizations of the plot have made it seem like she never had any vibranium to study.

[@zNEKOMARUz]

@@sugartoothYT she made it through the power of Mary Sue.

[@mrkrono]

I think it's worth noting that she was an MIT student, with MIT being the alma mater of Tony Stark, who was not only a guest lecturer but also funded research grants for students from urban city schools, which would apply to Riri (assuming she lived in the actual city of Chicago and not a suburb of it I guess). When you combine that with the growing awareness of Stark tech and various superhero mumbo jumbo (think Vulture and his acquisition of Chitari tech), it's not above the realm of possibility that a young, gifted student could learn to make a fairly janky (in its first iteration) Ironman suit, the same way we can believe that a young, gifted, aspiring MIT student Peter Parker can design his own web shooters and use Stark tech to build a new suit at the end of FFH.

[@brendenhawley2225]

@@mrkrono It would of been an neat inversion of the general comic book tech stasis to have the reason, Riri is able to build Ironman suit is because tech has advanced. It kind of shows that by having her finish her suit in Wakanda where a Ironman suit is way less cutting edge.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

@@brendenhawley2225 If she's got one because tech advanced then you've invalidated super heroes. Every law enforcement agency and army should have it.

[@runecowman]

As a wise man once said, 'Because Tony learns from his mistakes.' but the new characters cannot make any mistakes because they are so awesome. With all of the new movies coming out being disappointing it's weird seeing how different the film's are that got me into this genre in the first place.

[@peacemaster8117]

"Tony learns from his mistakes" And yet the very last thing he does in the MCU is give a weapon of mass destruction to a teenager, resulting in the partial destruction of London. It's almost like he learned nothing at all.

[@Oturan20]

​@@peacemaster8117 Tony was already _dead._ Once someone dies they are not responsible for anything that may result from their death.

[@mobgabriel1767]

@@peacemaster8117 how can someone learn from a mistakes if said person was dead?

[@Goodgu3963]

@@peacemaster8117 This is not an example of a mistake that Tony made, but a mistake of writing. Tony would have had a plan, a way for Jarvis or someone else to find his replacement, or a method for making sure his tech didn't fall into the wrong hands. Instead the writers got lazy and threw it away as a lazy plot device.

[@northernpolaris9895]

peter didnt fuck up, it was the other dude (forgot his name)@@peacemaster8117

[@Foiiiii1]

MCU before: character development, cohesive story, amazing CGI and battle scenes. MCU now: LOOK AT THIS SMART CHARACTER WHO MAKES A SUDDEN APPEARANCE, SHE IS SO POWERFUL AND AMAZING AND BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

[@gamefan7321]

Didnt iron man 2 establish that no one could replicate his suits not even entire governments with unlimited resources and funding, but somehow a random college student was able just to spite their teacher man marvel writing had gotten ridiculously lazy.

[@azynkron]

No, the sheep has gotten more stupid. The retarded sheep that can't wait for a review and pay to see this garbage. Make no mistake, if people didn't spend their money on the crap, they would either change or quit doing it. And that's a win-win. So, don't blame them; blame the donkeys that has no will of their own and just mindlessly consumes.

[@Skyfalcon12345]

Well, let's remember that this is about a decade after Iron Man 2, with several generation's worth of tech improvements not to mention dozens of probably leaked schematics, lost tech, pirated photos and videos of the suits. I mean, a few decades after the nuclear bomb, with barely any TV and radio compared to today, there were dozens of scientists probably capable of building nukes that were reverse engineered from what they heard or saw on TV. That being said, it's....yeah.

[@jakepullman4914]

To be fair, Tony Stark built his suit in a CAVE with SCRAPS. It's less about resources than genius. Like the flunky said, "I'm not Tony Stark." Unfortunately, saying that somebody's a genius isn't the same as convincing the audience they are, and Riri just didn't sell it.

[@alienalchemist]

But none of those guys are black woman.

[@augustus_lestrange]

They can build the suit. They just can’t build the power source by themselves to power them efficiently. Arc reactors are a beast of energy source which they completely sidelined after iron man 2

[@nguyendamable]

Who tf else think the kid in Ironman 3 is a better choice for Ironheart -both character and actor himself? His connection with Tony has already been established: he’s crafty and resourceful; he was Tony’s first mentee; he inspired Tony and helped him get through panic attack. He’s funny and an underdog, and his backstory was brief but already touched And Ty Simpkins can act circle around Riri any day of the week But noooo, let’s honor the original comic even though Disney has virtually desecrated all original stories since 2020

[@COCCOMOJOE]

You know why they want ironheart to be the original unlike most of the others. I just think its funny they did not have her steal it like in the original.

[@ThisIsWhereTheFunBegins8588]

lol disney just needed another black woman in the movie like the 99% of the cast weren't them

[@someone24688]

Or they could just have rhodey, people like him. Although I guess secret invasion messed that up

[@neurotic3015]

Yeah but they couldn't risk the backlash they'd get for making them a white man. After all, didn't you know 90% of a characters value comes from their race and gender?

[@fourcgames7568]

That's impossible. He's too white and too male for the role. Can't have that in 2023, every character has to be anything but a white male, because reasons.

[@jackalexande]

"I am here for the Vibranium detector that you built for the CIA" This line sounds like it was written for a fanfiction

[@Sebastian_A_Var_Herman]

That’s offensive for good fanfic writers. Yeah, some fics are shit, but there are people who are way more talented than the hacks that wrote this mess

[@MyZ001]

Yea, if they were writing it to graduate from middle school.

[@sudiptakashyapsharma3721]

More like a redditor's wet dream

[@meatsaucez1516]

Not even one line in the movie already shows you how stupid and incompetent the writing is to the point where I can’t stop rolling my eyes

[@TheGreatestTerrariaPlayerEver]

@@Sebastian_A_Var_Hermanyeah a group made a whole ass elden ring 2 convergence mod that was actually good

[@aliteralfrog7005]

The biggest character trait of Tony is that he learns from his mistakes to make his suit and himself better. Tony put a tracker into Peter’s suit so he couldnt get kidnapped (IM1) or lost (IM3) super far away from familiar places to find his way back home, and so that people could find him. He also decided to use an energy projection shield in endgame because of him running out of nanotech material after Thanos destroyed his shield in infinity war.

[@stewartmullings1552]

12:18 "Now we're in the no accountability era where nothing matters. Superheroes no longer save people." PERFECT. We could apply that to so many of the more recent Marvel movies. There's this phenomenon we see in these movies and in comics too (especially where the main character is a woman or minority) where the main characters make bad to wrong decisions, but the story treats them as great or correct ones simply because the story only exists to make the character look good. No accountability or consequence.

[@brendenhawley2225]

I am not sure they need to be a woman or minority, protagonist centered morality can involve guys too. Heck Ironman does flat out attempt to murder a person in civil war and while he shown in a bad place by the end of it, that line is pretty quickly dropped. Poor writing is a tale of old as time, and they will attempt to use anything to shield poor writing, In a way it was amazing the MCU was as consistently good as it was for so long.

[@IMPERPLEXING]

i think that’s why despite Tom Hollands spiderman being new MCU, it’s still overall liked by people.. he saves people

[@bable6314]

@@brendenhawley2225 You misread the comment.

[@Dbishop12]

​@@IMPERPLEXINGhe often is the reason they are in danger in the first place

[@peterparker9954]

GOTG vol 3 could be the LAST good MCU film EVER ! And to me, that was the perfect ending to the MCU ! I'm officially done with this franchise ! There is absolutely NOTHING left to look forward to in this franchise held by an evil studio like Disney

[@kingleonidas2182]

Dang. It really is eye opening to realize how little we see the heroes actually saving people anymore.

[@misterchubbikins]

Tbf, protecting ppl other than themselves is not a feminine trait.

[@kamerasengan]

@@misterchubbikins Yeah, mothers famously don't have any instincts to protect their children whatsoever. Wtf kind of take is this lmao

[@misterchubbikins]

@@kamerasengan *laughs in abortion* The fact that so many women lost their shit when scotus said they can't murder babies anymore is the basis of my take. If women instinctively cared about anyone but themselves, Roe v Wade would have never been a thing.

[@fluffylittlebear]

@@kamerasengan Your own children don't count. How many women would risk their lives to save a stranger?

[@kamerasengan]

@@fluffylittlebear Plenty, I'm sure. Saving people isn't a man thing or a woman thing, just depends on that person's disposition, morals, bravery, etc. Also, your own children do count, the person I was responding to said "protecting people other than themselves", your children are not yourself. That's still being selfless and having protective instincts for other people.

[@ady_kotidou]

There's something so heartbreaking about seeing the downfall of a franchise you used to absolutely love..

[@AnjBias]

I can't help but respond to this over-dramatic silliness, being heartbroken about comic book movies is cringey. I gotta share my own exaggerated take that these extreme reactions like heartbreak for the most trivial things and indifference to more pressing issues is why our society is really fucked up. 😊

[@ady_kotidou]

@@AnjBias You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. I don't care if you believe my reaction is extreme. This video is specifically referring to the subject, and therefore you should have expected comments like mine. Do you really believe that someone's comment for a franchise on a video that's *specifically* made for it is why society is fucked? Do you also believe that app reviews on Google Play contribute to how fucked up society is? You don't make any sense.

[@Zionswasd]

@@AnjBias Um, no, no, art and storytelling have always and always will inspire morality in society if we care about them and make them right; it's actually those like you that are the reason why our society is really fucked up. You have no empathy, kid, you're a prejudiced sociopath.

[@lulu111_the_cool]

​@@AnjBiasoh of that is cringy. What is your response. I don't know a word that would describe cringe 1000 worse. Yeah there are some more important problems. But does that mean I can't enjoy stuff. And say my opinion if the enjoyment is taken from me because of shitty writing?

[@xaalcarlsonanimations1539]

@@AnjBiasfound the activist who doesn’t care about anything other than their political agenda.

[@xingyujiang3003]

Having a kid mass murdering people is insane.

[@rolletroll2338]

"I became part of a system that is confortable with zero accountability", this line, while been thrown as a critic of the industrial military complex, is also a foreshadowing of his future engagement in civil War for more accountability for the super heroes.

[@Elriuhilu]

And if you're feeling uncharitable, it can also apply to Marvel movies made in the last few years. They crap out a shallow, paint by numbers shell of a film, written by an accountant robot that learnt psychology from mobile game in-app purchases, then get a pile of money in the first week it's released from people who swear they can stop any time if they wanted to, before completely discarding the movie because it was only a disposable money grab, and only ever mentioning it again as Easter eggs in subsequent movies to trick the people who still watch them into thinking they're a "community." Anything reasonable that people criticise is twisted into a "why do you hate poor/ethnic/female people" because then people ignore the criticism trying to prove how righteous they are and the executives can jerk off with wads of money while the proles eat each other.

[@Sjono]

Ironheart’s “whooo” during the final battle just shows how disconnected she is from the plot. The Wakandans are fighting a series life and death battle and she’s treating that event like she’s on a roller coaster, desensitized to the carnage around her and how this battle is happening *because of her.*

[@сергейКурмыза-щ4й]

Yeah, having fun, while other people down there were fighting for their life. How disgusting!

[@Fuck_handles]

Maybe she's related to Bruce Wayne XD

[@aitoluxd]

The commenter above me is a bot. DON'T take the bait.

[@Fuck_handles]

@@aitoluxd did I say something about batman here? KZbin doesn't show me my own comments and replies for some reason(hey maybe i am a bot) and I've no other explanation for getting a notification of your reply rn so, I'm just curious XD

[@Silverwing2112]

I love how we can't report bots for being bots, we'd have to pick one of YT's frankly super limited report categories.

[@samuelspace101]

In the first 10 minutes of iron man we learn -who tony is -why he’s there/what’s his intent -what he thinks -feel bad for him -understand he’s the good guy -watch him beat up the bad guys -he’s a genius In the first 10 minutes of iron heart we learn -she’s an ass x3 -she’s a murderer x10+ -she has iron man suit (somehow) -idk

[@Looona_fan]

10/10 description

[@MthaMenMon]

- she might end up being a forced love interest for the next wakanda Queen

[@Looona_fan]

@@MthaMenMon correction: She WILL end up as a love interest for the next queen.

[@rahulraju1814]

​@@Looona_fan i don't like the character but the reason why they had to avoid her origin is because it's a black panther movie (which also suck apart from tribute and namour scenes)

[@juukoisaac9421]

Aside the bad writing, the movie wasn't for iron heart 😂

[@Flackconnon]

I had completely forgot about Ironheart to the point i thought i missed a new marvel tv series....

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Yet somehow they want us to believe that these are the new Avengers to take on the next Thanos threat? Yeah that is complete BS and Kang was already defeated twice and therefore is not a Thanos level villain.

[@moondawwg]

Those ants from Quantumania are way more prepared to be the next avengers than any of these knock off characters. Nick fury needs to recruit those ants asap.

[@requiempurge530]

@@moondawwg Call it the "Antvengers" eh.

[@terminator572]

What the fuck even is a "Thanos level" what's this a fucking JRPG? Does Thanos have +400 energy resist or what?

[@zerowolf0006]

They are smart ants 🐜

[@qrowing]

Defeated by JUST Ant Man no less. What the hell are they doing over there?

[@izaakjohnson2723]

Y'all remember that scene from Civil War where Rhodes gets hit by Vision 's beam and starts free falling. Rhodes LOST consciousness from the G's and spiraling (EVEN THOUGH HE'S AN EXPERIENCED PILOT). He didn't get dumb luck like Riri. He hit the ground and got PARALYZED. But Riri, lost consciousness due to low oxygen, and free called spiraled too. Shouldn't she, being not a experience pilot, still had remained unconscious because of the G's too? Instead her Ironheart armor is also fitted with resourceful plot armor too, and she miraculously wakes up AND SLOWS DOWN just before she hit the water. When I watched that scene, I wasn't even nervous or anxious for her. I was just mad at the sad fact of poor writing.

[@detectiveplays]

I mean in Rhodes’s case there wasn’t much he could do except accept death The Blast Vision did hit the core which turned off the suits power. But yeah RiRi just happened to wake up in time and save herself.The Gs should’ve kept her knocked out

[@izaakjohnson2723]

@@detectiveplays Couldn't agree more

[@Nobody-qh2fv]

What’s the G’s

[@LyraBones]

@@Nobody-qh2fvbasically, when an object has to travel in a circular-esc arc, a force, called a centripetal force, has to act on it to change the direction of its velocity. You can feel the effects of this centripetal force if you are in a car going over a hump really fast. This concept is quite important for airplanes, because you will be making sharp turns which end up with a lot of centripetal force on the person flying the plane, and too much can cause the person to pass out if they make too tight a corner or something. The reason why centripetal force is also called “G-force” or “G’s” is because usually, instead of measuring it in Newton’s (the standard unit of force), it’s a convention to measure it in g’s, where 1g is the force exherted by gravity on earth, 2g is two times this force, etc

[@mrstupiduniverse731c]

Let's not forget the total disregard for basic human biology too, that sudden stop wouldn't be without physical repercussions. If she didn't have a broken neck (no matter the amount of padding) then I'd think she would have at least broken her back, shoulders, and legs, been bruised from the straps and had a number of tendons seriously damaged if not severed completely. Remember how many bruises and scrapes/cuts Tony had from falling onto his car after the first flight?

[@rileedavis397]

Tony created a new kind of technology in order to escape his captors and fight for his freedom. He then went on to use that technology for the good of mankind after seeing all the harm his weapons had caused. Riri built a machine to spite her teacher because he said she sucked and that she couldn't do it. This machine started a war that got innocent people killed, and when asked to help she tells them to fuck off because she has math class. These two are not the same. Fantastic breakdown.

[@cdouble_you]

Um, I disagree. Tony's arrogance and ego displayed in Age of Ultron definitely contradicts this. Where his technology (an A.I. global peace initiative) once again threatens human lives. Despite Ultron's 200% failure to full-fill this, he gambles on the creation of Vision... There are many situations simular to this. Riri lacks character development, yes. And had the unfortunate circumstance of being casted during lower teir period of MCU's story writing history. However, her contribution to major historical technological developments at a young age, despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America/the world is impressive to say the least. Tony stark is an egotistical billionaire philanthropist who made his fortunes on wars and the deaths of millions of people worldwide. Riri, also a genius, works well with others and has made countless positive strides in comparison to Tony. No they are absolutely not the same.

[@slingeroftruth]

​@@cdouble_you, grow up. They were both human, ignorance is pure bigotry over skin color and equity is nothing but a free ride to appropriate. Did you even watch Iron Man? He saved the entire freaking universe, moron. She can do her own thing, big get off the iron man Tony Stark hate, he brought her up and helped another genius. MSheU only ruined a good story from comics, but it's still all fiction.

[@slingeroftruth]

Genius oppression is real or something?

[@shreysharma726]

shes gonna attend the gender ideology class....where she would be given puberty blockers

[@peacemaster8117]

@@cdouble_you "despite the discrimination she faces as a Black person in America" But she doesn't seem to be disadvantaged in the slightest. When we meet her she's enjoying a privileged lifestyle in a prestigious college. You're right about Tony though, he definitely ended up hurting a lot of people. He's to blame for Iron Monger, Ultron, the Sokovia Accords, and that stupid drone-powered assassination system he gave to a teenager in Far From Home. The MCU's overarching narrative definitely tells us that Tony changed, but his actual actions show that he was constantly causing huge problems for everyone from start to end.

[@Code1crunch]

They totally copied the spiderman introduction in civil war without thinking that iron heart is no spiderman and shuri is no Tony stark.. 😂

[@quinncykaluzniak7231]

ya know, ironheart was a part of the comics, and was an intern working under tony stark, trying to learn all she could, if we had at least that, there'd be something to build from. but no, not even that, they took a shell of a character meant to say to an audience "look, we're inclusive too!!" and hollowed her out even more

[@Gamer9o]

She cant be tonys intern ... then she would not be STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN xD

[@quinncykaluzniak7231]

@@Gamer9o that's the point, that's what went into her shell, yet at least with it she was grounded, this is just... no

[@dodgingrain3695]

Agreed some of the MCU movies are not about inclusivity and not about storytelling, that's a big part of the problem as well. The point is to not care about race and respect the character's traditions. Having a Spanish snow white is just as much of an insult as having a white Malcom X would be.

[@DSxGoldSilver]

If they implemented that, that would’ve make a lot more sense and I would’ve like her a bit but nope

[@starcatcherksp1517]

Employees are still technically independent of their lives. But in the US they're just slaves@@Gamer9o

[@FTChomp9980]

Iron Man:"Who are you?" Iron Heart:"I'm your replacement Tony!" Iron Man:"So I sacrificed myself for nothing." Iron Heart:"Yes you have!" This is just depressing honestly Tony Stark is the better character.

[@Tenshii_Artii]

He’s also more memorable. I admit I’m not a comic book person. But Tony Stark on the screens is just iconic in many ways.

[@wintertrooper7918]

Iron heart is not the replacement you imbecile she's her own character

[@rhyslightning3037]

@@Tenshii_Artii thats coz Robert downey jr is a fantastic actor

[@KP-rs5tu]

I like when she murdered the cops that were doing their jobs.

[@liamphibia]

Yeah I'd rather see Pepper and Morgan Stark live up to Tony's name and legacy than... some genius kid we just met.

[@dusk_writer]

My favorite part about Riri's role in this movie is how she was able to build a vibranium detector Despite having never seen let alone studied vibranium But she has a machine that can find it

[@ChickenNuggetManCNM]

and then says her professor is racist for doubting she could make a vibranium detector

[@DominickRoselli]

Let's not get hung up on those pesky DETAILS man, just... yah know. Vibe?

[@pheone9105]

​@@DominickRoselli You can't vibe with a story when the writing is so dogshit

[@brainfreezzzze6900]

​@@DominickRoselli disney:

[@anonspectre1796]

She knew who shuri was..so obviously she'd know about vibranium

[@jakobkoorey6126]

I already forgot iron heart existed

[@Dangerpurple]

The funny thing is, RiRi's teacher in the comics DIDN'T tell her she couldn't do anything, she said she could be anything she wanted, and in the comics riri was UPSET because she wanted to be held back so she could prove someone wrong. She WANTED a chip put on her shoulder. Her origin reads more like a sociopathic villain than a hero, especially with how she steals iron man suit designs.

[@johnstrife7]

Professional victim

[@Kronosdoesshit]

And her story was so ass in the comics they sidelined her HARD,but the film makers didn't get that memo

[@Argaitlam]

​@johnstrife7 what to expect from those people? 😅

[@yourdad6902]

Cry harder loser ​@@Argaitlam

[@Bihgetyokids]

@@Argaitlamwhat people?

[@russellharris5314]

Tony Start was also never perfect because he needed help very often to achieve the things that he did. During the cave scene he had help from someone prepared to lay down their life to help him. while coming up with any idea or new technology in his lab he had his AI to run simulations etc and help him answer questions he couldn't answer straight away. He had Pepper help run his business giving him the time available to do what he wanted to do. In Ironman 2 his father is shown to be such a huge mentor for him and even gives Tony the answer to his problem of finding the new element he needed. All of these things add a level of realism

[@acistaro]

it's not Tony Start... it's Tony Stank... Stank, party of two!

[@sakuranakamura1814]

exactly. Those kinda things make Tony more... human? I dont know how to describe it better but he is NOT Perfect. He isnt able to build an Ironman Suit in just a warehouse.

[@bidet1098]

But riri is a girl boss who can casually source the necessary materials for a multimillion dollar suit. Sad times

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

Ironman armored adventure had the best Tony stark

[@edomination7139]

@@bidet1098 The inflation tho, that thing is billions of dollars for a dumbass school student who doesnt know how to even throw shit right. Also in the phone scene shes a bitch which is a very bad replacement for goofy tony

[@InternetGravedigger]

Even in the comics, Riri Williams was problematic. While she was a genius, she was only able to build the suit because she had access to one of the Iron Man suits and reverse-engineered it. On top of that, she made it with parts stolen from her school, then when campus security caught on to her theft she flew off in the suit...

[@avroarchitect1793]

So a super theif instead of a Super Hero? No wonder people hate her Character.

[@es83stevenson88]

Don't forget she shot the cops too

[@brandocalrissian3294]

She also kills tons of innocent people

[@protorhinocerator142]

@@es83stevenson88 Let me guess, they were RACIST cops? I'm assuming because I never felt the need to pay money to follow such shallow characters.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

They can’t put that in a movie where the main character is a “brave and diverse” role model. Can you imagine the hilarity that would ensue if this version of Riri shot cops and stole priceless tech?

[@XENO3007]

This us why people wanted peter to be the next iron man. He went from irresponsible to having to carry the weight of his loved ones lives, learned from his mistakes, grew into a more independent and powerful person through suffering, and came out a hero.

[@MLNeidig]

The most frustrating thing about Ironheart is that this was already tried, and also failed, in the comics back in the mid-2010s. So not only did they show they don't understand why Iron Man worked, they showed they can already see a character fail, and then not learn from it.

[@user-yt9ro7md2h]

Makes me think they were banking on society being dumbed down enough in great enough numbers,that the concept would be accepted this time around. Guess what? Wrong lol

[@TheCursedCat1927]

Yeah, like not only people just didn't like the idea of Riri Williams in the Comics - the character and her Comics are overall just a great example of horrible writting... And the Comics Editorial seems to have caught up on that, because they forcefully sidelined the hell out of Ironheart. But since MCU is run by a different part of Marvel, all these idiots see is "a woman of color that is a genius" - and somehow they managed to make Riri even more irritaiting in the MCU (which I never thought was possible).

[@tcortez]

No, no, no, no. Just because Ms Marvel failed among the comics many times, and because Riri has failed, doesn't mean that if we try again, and really, really, really want it to succeed that it won't. You just have to believe more, that will change everything.

[@mr_0n10n5]

I like the fact that he touched on the one aspect of heroes that I think is sorely missing. These heroes don't save people anymore or don't care about being good. 😢

[@Byronic19134]

Dr. Strange cares about saving people he is literally in charge of reality. Spiderman cares about saving people and being good. Thor cares about saving people, saving kids, and being good. Ant-Man cares about being good and takes selfies with people. GOTG cared for and saved both people and animals in the final act. Shazam was saving people and cared about being good. Bucky and Sam saved people and are good. Shxt even Black Adam was saving people in his movie. So who are we talking about exactly? And why do you think this?

[@Scientist-exe]

​@@Byronic19134 I read a comment above about Dr Strange casting a spell on a vendor to himself for 3 weeks for no reason. Now that I think about it, I cannot recall Dr Strange saving, only fighting.

[@izzanirfan2534]

They're soldiers now,do things not for good,but for a cause

[@squeezyjibbz7407]

​@@Byronic19134You didn't watch the part where Riri blew up a bunch of cops did you? Or do you conveniently leave that out because it makes your moronic perspective look even more so?

[@user-uc4vg4rg9e]

@@Byronic19134 seems hes referring to how this iron woman didnt seem to care about dropping a drone on those police officers and or how she could have just flown through the roof but chose to blast an officer in the face before doing so

[@PieMan061]

4:15 This is exactly why Yinsen should've been in Tony's snap dream and not his daughter. Can you imagine if he met Yinsen and he said "You didn't waste your life".

[@slomosvlone]

Both of them should of been in there

[@thx4chrckingin]

Yinsen after seeing Phaze 4: Nah, fam, you should have died with me

[@KermitOfWar]

​@@thx4chrckingin Yinsen seeing Captain Marvel: Allahu Akbar! Goodbye Stark. And then he blows himself up.

[@AStoryteller-for-fun]

So would I.

[@isaacdebrah3963]

Thus gave me goosebumps.

[@TheUnimaterLp]

To sum it up: Ironheart is Ironman fron Temu/the "We have Ironman at home". Why isnt Ironheart the Person she should be: Pepper Potts! I know she is technically Rescue, but she is the only charackter making sense if you want to have an Ironman 2.0 (which in my opinion would be teribble, because Ironman had such a good ending.)

[@tylersmith9942]

Tony Stark is one of cinema's greatest characters. With a decade of films to shape and mold him, he went from a billionaire playboy philanthropist that profited on war, to the very man that saved the universe by laying on the wire, and letting the world crawl over him. The ultimate sacrifice, for the ultimate hero.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

He was still wrong in civil war.

[@WasimulAkram]

I still don't get why people are comparing Ironheart with Iron Man? MCU actors have been bullshitting lies in the interviews for 15 years now. Are people still buying these bullshits or are they doing these intentionally?

[@Hello-IsaacHere]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408No one was right or wrong in civil war. It was made so the audience could have interest and decide for themselves, and just for themselves. Both sides have valid points and reasoning.

[@Chaosdragon240]

11:20 what i find funny is that this attempted 'better than Tony' scene actually works against Riri. Tony encountered an obstacle not really known because this is the first sort of instance of this happening, so he discovered it, then had to rely on his creative ingenuity and fast thinking aka manually working the suit to deploy his flaps which requires knowledge of the specific workings in order to do so (yes, he built the suit, but i think it's still worth noting that in a tense situation he was able to clearly think "Okay, I can't manually pull on the flaps, but to do so also requires the servos in the legs... WORK THAT!") whereas Riri went up to where air is KNOWN to be thin, disregards this knowledge, doesn't try to think about a way AROUND the ALREADY KNOWN... WIDELY... NOT UNCOMMON... problem and just bull-rushes it, stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain. Sure, she wakes up in time, but it's pure dumb luck. Take a good look at both scenes? Tony comes out on top always, not just cause it's better writing, but even just looking at it 'in universe' where Riri has built an 'iron man suit' from junk, Tony still played it smarter. Also looked good doing it, and RDJ had a pretty good impression of 'man who just narrowly escaped falling to his death from unforseen consequences'. Don't care how smart or how composed you are. Narrowly avoiding death like that deserves a little 'YEAAAAAAAAAAH!'

[@Chaosdragon240]

also, this is why I've decided that, bar Spider-man, I'm pretty much done with Marvel movies XD. I wish Chris Hemsworth the best with Thor, it sounds like he's getting real tired of Thor getting crapped on too. One of these days i might marathon all the movies... till Endgame, that's where it should have ended. (Not Captain Marvel tho, haven't watched that, and never will, and not cause she's a woman, it's cause she's a shit person who craps on the fans. You don't like us? Fine, we don't like you either. Glad we're on the same page.) Staying with Spider-man tho, been a spider-fan my whole life and i aint stopping till he gets a happy ending... which will be never.

[@Shrimp_Insurance]

"stupidly risking brain injury due to even momentary low oxygen to the brain." It takes longer than that for brain damage to set in

[@Chaosdragon240]

@@Shrimp_Insurance The risk is still there, and hitting the water at terminal velocity tends to result in injuries that could very much occur to the brain. yaknow, maybe a bit more serious than that? but eh, im sure she'd be fine. She's Riri.

[@anthonya824]

Still gives me chills

[@Shrimp_Insurance]

@CarlBeringer Well yeah she'd be dead if she hit the water. But thats not what you said

[@moviehermit5631]

What really weakens Riri as a character is that this wasn’t her movie. She’s essentially a plot device in Shuri’s movie designed to be the crux of the war between the Talokan’s and Wakandan’s. Her origin is a sub plot of someone else’s story, so the details and actual character work in it is skimmed over so they can get straight to the action for a future project. We get a few lines with generic emotion about her dad and the work she’s done, then straight back to the same style of quips that everybody has because CGI and humour has become a crutch the MCU has become addicted to abusing. Similar thing with America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness. We get a bit about her backstory, a small arc about her learning to control her power via a 30 second motivational speech, and most importantly… a walking plot device to serve as the crux of the conflict within the story. Marvel is so obsessed with introducing as many new characters as they can for future projects that they sacrifice actual character development and writing to slap them into a bigger character’s story so they can churn out another dozen projects within a year (at least)

[@soyUsernameWasTaken]

Yeah since gwen can get a really strong story in what basically a miles morales movie, I'm sticking with "MCU is spiraling downward." They used to know how to do this. I mean black widow is developed in every other superhero's movies. War machine, falcon, loki, goddam wong. They used to know how to make good stories for side characters.

[@izukumidoriya8600]

plus not only was America not developed the main character wasn't even Strange in that movie it was Wanda with the second character being America

[@whitefang2312]

I think it would work really well if it was reversed. Make the new character the main character, and have them be part of the stories of other characters. We could've followed Riri and have her roped into the Talokan and Wakandan conflict, but it followed HER, not Shuri. I don't really like that because I want focus on Shuri too, but it would at least make us care for the new characters too

[@WebSpyder777]

@@soyUsernameWasTaken Black Widow got precisely ZERO character development in Iron Man 2, the film where she was introduced.

[@XxIcedecknightxX]

It allows then to not fully commit to a character but also try to gauge how much the audience likes the character.

[@vadersfist1775]

To be honest I think a reboot of everything that happened after Endgame is the only thing that can really safe the MCU at this point. The only problem is that Disney would admit to have made a mistake this way, which they probably will never do

[@michi6486]

Also the soudn design of the first real iron man suit was on point. It sounded heavy and like something mechanical that could actually exist, something a lot of newer suits lacked wich felt and looked really plasticy

[@SilencedHalo]

Bingo, the whole IronHeart suit looks like those fuckin PowerRanger suits from the early 2000's TV show lmao. The first IronMan suit was perfection. Sounded and looked properly heavy, metallic, plated, armored, as it should be.

[@sakuranakamura1814]

The newer Ironman Suits used Nano Tech which was less less mechanical (?) I guess? But i liked the old ones more.

[@artagle_14]

@@sakuranakamura1814Having the nanotech has its cons but to me it matches with the whole action scenes and makes it feel more comic-y.

[@erriebro]

​@@artagle_14The nanotech suits sorta symbolize how far Tony has come in terms of improving his suits because he knows there will at least be one more threat to deal with in the wacky wild universe he's in and you bet he's gonna pimp his suits out to be prepared

[@randomuserame]

It's eco because climate change. I meant that as a joke but the more I think on it, the more I think that's actually the case.

[@Gigabarto]

you said it man, these are no longer heroes, but assholes with super powers, super suits, super intelligence, etc. since end game not a single "super hero" has behave like it should do. i call it the "man of steel influence" where collateral damage is no longer punishable but rather expected.

[@nont18411]

It all started with “They will never know what you sacrificed for them”. Somehow Peter Parker is the only one who is still a superhero in this franchise.

[@andrewft31]

Have you ever even read a Marvel Comic? Most of the characters are assholes lol Tony Stark is an asshole as is Charles Xavier, in the comics both are shown to be very manipulative people.

[@alejandrogarcia9637]

@@nont18411 I think it started with Captain Marvel.

[@wintertrooper7918]

That's bs and you know it they've done that well before man of steel

[@Feniksds]

I just do the same i do with star wars from a certain point i just consider series and movies non canon, even subseries that don't interest me i ignore. Spider man was about responsibility and spider man is actually one of the only current marvel heroes that still has that going. Guardians was always about redemption of these outcast of the universe trying to protect the innocent while not really having superpower but enacting the craziest plans, thor was about being worthy to wield that hammer, to be worthy of your place, captain america was about the honor of fighting as a soldier to protect people , iron man was a man's redemption story but also the story about a man without any super powers using his adept knowledge of technology to make the difference, hulk was that beast that had learn to control his anger but used said anger to fight villains. Or characters like Dr.Strange studying his i don't really know his lore "magic". Nowadays we just get political propaganda in a superhero format in which these superheroes are shells of themselves being all "super" but without any values not being any better then other humans around them in fact i would go as far to say the series the boys doesn't seem like a parody anymore if i compare it to some superhero movies nowadays.

[@BlackGryph0n]

This is an excellent breakdown, but I’m not entirely convinced marvels character assassination of its new heroes is unintentional… Their target demographic is a lot angrier than it was when Iron Man came out. People aren’t focused on justice, they’re focused on vengeance, and Marvel seems to be capitalizing on this. It’s a shame they’re stoking the flames rather than showing a better path.

[@lolstuffenjoy9880]

Why are so many people so angry nowadays

[@darthvadeth6290]

you hurt a group of people for centuries then talk about moving on and don't focus on vengeance. lmao

[@darthvadeth6290]

@@christian-ec1rg I didn't mention slavery. You just exposed yourself lmao 🤣🤣🤣

[@OrlandoFace]

@@darthvadeth6290 "you hurt a group of people for centuries" Who is this "you" that you speak of?

[@dougclark9921]

The target demo isnt angrier, they were always angry. The difference is that its a different demo. The original demo wanted good characters and stories.

[@maditheturtlegod8960]

14:30 I didn’t even realize that cause yea she’s basically the reason all that bad stuff in the movie even happened because she created something dangerous just to say I told u so and then didn’t even want to help after she found out her creations basically caused a war

[@MrCovi2955]

I mean, to be fair, in the comics she's written that badly as well. In the original introduction where we get her origin story she gets mad at her teacher for NOT discriminating against her and for telling her that she can be anything she wants to be. She harasses the teacher into saying "fine, I guess if you need to be told something you'll never be I guess you'll never be Tony Stark" and that's how she decides to be the next Tony Stark, after harassing her teacher. So, they kind of nailed the narcissistic sociopath. Its just that neither the writers of the comics or the new movies seem to realize that they've written an objectively horrible character. Probably because people without morals have trouble understanding what makes a hero good.

[@Scribbly_Chi_10]

People with extreme ideologies of right and left always lacks certain morals, and they will definitely fail to create a nuanced character.

[@thegamerfe8751]

​@@Scribbly_Chi_10 it's not even about ideologies at this point, it's just shit writing

[@samoclese6435]

Honestly, that origin would've been incredible for that character if they depicted her as completely misguided to start with. In the comics, I believe Tony was alive and well when Riri was introduced. If they had Riri be the "villain" of her first arc and we get shown through her what it would look like if Tony built the Iron Man suit before his big change of heart in the cave, and they could've had an incredible moment between Tony and Riri where Tony can show how much he's grown since taking on the mantle of Iron Man, an "I used to be you, and believe me it isn't something you should aspire to" moment to show Riri that this person she's trying to emulate isn't who she seemed to think he was, and then have that lay the groundwork for a mentor/student relationship with Riri bringing new perspective to Tony's tech and Tony teaching Riri things she could never even hope to learn had she not chosen this path. As for an MCU version, it obviously wouldn't be quite as effective but they could've easily jigged that around a bit and made it work having Shuri in the mentor role.

[@navonmyhand7999]

​@samoclese6435 yeah they could definitely play into the narcissim and ego of legacy characters more sometimes. Not in a bad way but a introspective way of: why do you wish to become the next [blank], what made you think you could actually achieve that goal, etc. But I think writer usually get lost in trying to make viewers/readers instantly fall in love with the successor or replacement instead of implementing flaws into their design.

[@stuart6478]

she also steals the iron man suit

[@Mysteri0usChannel]

"This is just a keep copy of Iron Man!" - "No, she is sassy, young, cool, black, and a girl, and somehow even smarter than Iron Man!" - "That's exactly what I meant by cheap copy."

[@xaxabinks]

they should js follow her story as it’s done in the comics. but in her own movie that’s not connected to the mcu at all imo. in the comics she’s actually interesting and her character makes a lot more sense rather than just being an iron man diversity insert

[@deathwingthedestroyer3632]

@@xaxabinks I don’t think that would change anything since her comic book counterpart is pretty much just as hated.

[@xaxabinks]

@@deathwingthedestroyer3632 True.

[@ThePotentStyle]

Why couldn’t they just make it Tony’s daughter???? It makes sense that she would get curious about her father genius to carry on all he built.

[@robertkennedy4114]

That would have to be a bit farther in the future, TimeLine. wise. but I agree with you.

[@WalkmanAndCigarettes]

Cuz she wasn’t black

[@trayethell3681]

man i agree honestly i never understood why they didnt use the boy from iron man 3 if they really needed a replacement this bad sure as hell would be better than current ironheart if his daughter doesnt fit cause timeline

[@loganyost334]

Lol, remember when she took a piece of the iron man suit for fun.

[@RiceCubeTech]

@@trayethell3681iron lad is a real character too. One that is liked more than riri.

[@dasoftieguy]

No way a cop just say "Aw fuck she's got an iron man suit" like it was the most obvious thing ever, that is so ass

[@Neutral_Tired]

One of the best ways to make a believably intelligent character is to show them encountering problems, failing, and then innovating solutions to those problems. That's something Tony does all the time. There are entire youtube videos devoted to listing the number of features in his creations that are actually solutions to problems in previous films. Everything from different ways to summon his armour to the fact that Peter's suit had a heater in it. I somehow doubt Riri is ever going to fail in a significant way, let alone have opportunities to improve and make sure it doesn't happen again.

[@gottagoMS123]

Even Spiderman does this very well.

[@Devansh.Srivastava]

​@@gottagoMS123 True,both Tony and his son learn from their mistakes

[@user-bb7kg8jx4g]

Because Tony learned from his mistakes!

[@parthpatel9602]

Ohh riri failed but she failed on the box office😂 and that she cannot learn from 😅

[@somethingsus2144]

Marvel: fuck character development, i would make her instantly op

[@E-Man08]

One thing I’ve noticed that gave me chills is the fx when iron man moved and charged his lasers. Honestly we need more of this.

[@jacksonscott3667]

The suit from IM1 both looked and *sounded* heavy. It had a presence onscreen that immediately captured your attention, and the suit-up sequences built incredible anticipation. The new CGI suits have no believable weight to them, and as neat as the introduction of nanotech was in the beginning, using it to bypass the characters’ actual preparations is steadily killing a lot of the fun that went into these things in the first place.

[@JonborgVA]

@@jacksonscott3667omg yeah I miss the practical suit it looked so much better. Fit the name Iron man more cause he moved like well a suit of iron. The Nano suit just looks like some fancy light suit and not very robotic movement

[@tallll70]

@@jacksonscott3667 I agree , they can excuse it with nano tech and it kind of works because we can imagine it could, but instead it looking like substantial armor it looks like thin rubber suit... GOTG 3 Groot is similar, they should have make him CGI with unnatural human proportions like they drawed him on some posters instead just cheap human suit, baby groot was fun and 1st Groot was the best

[@hansrama3485]

every hit felt real.. the charge up. and all that.. the flying felt loke something heavy was being lifted. its all grounded. they should have continued like this and not all that nano tech stuff

[@Shawn-zt3gv]

​@@hansrama3485they didn't just go to the nano tech. Every time Tony's original suit failed him he changed and approved it to solve the issue. After Ant man got into his suit he really only had one option to change it and that was too go nano

[@Zanthum]

I would throw in the comparison of Iron Man when Tony is fighting the hulk when he is looking for a building to bury hulk under, he not just looks for one with no people in it, but then he buys it so no one gets hurt physically or financially from the direct action he is about to do. The other damage he can't really control because it is largely him being tossed around out of control but when he intentionally causes property damage he takes ownership and responsibility for what he is about to do.

[@Zaloomination]

That's amazing, I never caught that he had purchased the building in the movie before he destroys it. Thank you for pointing that out.

[@Ricky_Spanishh]

Can't buy a building in 30 seconds. It's not a banana. It was a stupid insert to anyone living in the real world.

[@mvmlego1212]

In my opinion, there are two more reasons that scene showcased good character development. Another reason it's a good scene is that it demonstrates Tony's tech's limitations. Remember that _Bruce Banner helped design Veronica_. Despite collaboration with the enemy that Tony would be fighting, plus years of preparation involving tens of millions of dollars of some of the most advanced technology in the world, Tony was in dire straits by the end of that fight. On top of that, the writers didn't hand him a victory to make us feel awesome about Tony. His victory wasn't the purpose of that scene, or the next one. Despite Tony winning the fight with no casualties and no external financial losses, he had the humility to look at it as a failure. Do we see anything similar in Ironheart?

[@ShimmeringSword]

@@Ricky_Spanishh we do not live in the same world as billionaires or trillionaires. They can do things we can't imagine being possible. In a fictional universe containing an ultra rich, ultra smart, ultra technologically interlinked person that has an ai assistant. Yes, yes he can instantly buy a building. He would have overpaid for it. He has a reactor in his chest powerful enough to power a city, buying a construction site shouldn't be what breaks your immersion.

[@sadkritx6200]

​@@Ricky_Spanishhaliens can come from space, there are people powerful enough to destroy the world 10 times over, a city flies up to the sky. But buying a building within 10 seconds is where we draw the line, that's just too unrealistic 😤😤

[@NuTollaInUrMouth]

Instead of making Riri Williams a poorly illustrated victim? They could have written that her mom is barely there because she's working overtime to take care of her because her father left them or that's what she was told as a kid but in reality he was a shield agent that died on the secret mission dealing with a rough childhood she gets mixed in with the wrong people that use her talent to do bad things she gets caught and arrested but then a neighbor shows up and it ends up being one of Tony Stark's old colleague bails her out of jail ends up being the father she never had and encourages her on the right path but doesn't know that she's being used because the dude is Tony's ex colleague and is working for A.I.M.? And now Riri Williams is dealing with distrust and questioning everything and eventually overcoming it and finding trust and love even with people she might butt heads with but people she can call friends and family. Which I think a lot of teens go through these kinds of emotions especially in today's world. We especially shouldn't encourage or intolerate toxic, narcissistic, and nihilistic behavior it's okay to create a character with these traits as long as we show that they can grow as a person and become better in the end.

[@maxxgunner5573]

Id rather have Spider-Man or War Machine as the new Iron Man. At least THEY were sympathetic n genuinely try to help n save innocent lives. While the latter came off as jerkish, he made up for it by ACTUALLY being a hero. Heck, even Miles Morales is a more awesome character who could zap Riri’s Chichis off!

[@wintertrooper7918]

War Machine IS the new iron man

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

We *shouldn't* *have* a new Iron Man. That's the fucking point of his death. The world needs to move on without him and put their trust into someone else. We can mourn him, but everyone else (especially Spidey) needs to stop trying to be the "new Iron Man". That is why I loved No Way Home. That movie set up Spider-Man as his own character, finally leaving behind the mantle of Iron-Man junior. Sony understands that which is why Spider-Man was taken in that direction. Disney does not understand that, which is why they want a new Iron Man.

[@Dark.Syndicate]

@@Wendeta-hq2cp I agree

[@Minillus]

No, no, keep Spider-Man away from Iron Man, for God's sake. He's good the way he's going for. NWH's ending was a great example of his development as his own character, why should he go back to being Iron Man JR again? Screw that shit, we waited like 4 years for him to get development and now you want him to go back?

[@SuperD0077]

@@wintertrooper7918 War Machine is War Machine, he's never going to be Iron Man. Iron Man is much more than the suit, Tony Stark and his genius is what makes Iron Man.

[@TheKaijuKing54]

Wow, this video actually felt very genuine filled with well thought out criticism surrounding how marvel is currently treating it’s new “heroes” as well as when they insert comedy into a scene regardless if it breaks serious moments. This and all of your other videos are so underrated! You deserve way more attention!

[@solo-pro]

the audience needs to share the experience with the character. the hero reacts to the experience in a way the audience agrees with or approves of. the villain reacts in a way the audience understands but is repulsed by. these are required for the success of a story.

[@wintertrooper7918]

Ah yes cause being a massive asshole and building a WMD in the form of a suit of armor that has enough firepower to rival most countries entire military might is an experience everyone can share and relate to

[@vectorbass9679]

@@wintertrooper7918 I can actually. He did it for the money and fame. How is that not relateble or understandable? If you had to chance, you'd do exactly the same. Its purely human. It is easy to judge any succesfull person, but when given the chance, everyone of us would follow down that path. Greed is inherent in humans. It takes a strong character to actually see this and change his ways, like Tony does.

[@wintertrooper7918]

@Vectorbass except he never did change his ways. If anything, he got worse instead of just building the one suit he developed hundreds of these things and the only reason he got away with it is because one suit is more or less equal to all the firepower of a US Military regiment and he's camped out in the middle of the largest city in the country

[@solo-pro]

@@wintertrooper7918 lol !

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

@@wintertrooper7918 you m0r0n, empathy is not about relating to people that had the exact same experiences that you have. That is the stupid narcissistic logic of post-modern identitarians, that think you can only understand someone if they are exactly like you and lived exactly like you lived. Empathy is using your shared humanity, emotions and reason, to put yourself in the shoes of another person and have a significant understand of what the person is going through. So yeah, you can relate with a billionaire that make weapons. You can understand why he does it and why he stop it, you can understand all of his actions doesn't mean you will agreed with everything he does. That is the beauty of a conflicting well written character. And from were did you took that the Iron Man suit is a weapon of mass destruction that can rival the entire US Army? The first version it was heavily damage but minutes of combat with standard military hardware. If you put a bunch of jets, tanks, etc against him her would die. The subsequent versions are stronger but also is the technology available to the government is also better as we see with SHIELD technology. The US government didn't take it not because they couldn't but because the movies portrait governments as semi functional and just or legitimate institutions that don't act in tyranny. The US government has no constitution right of confiscating Tony tech, forcing him to build them for him or stooping him of developing or building more for himself. The entire plot of the second movie revolves around that. With the exception of Ultron nothing that Tony did as Iron Man was more destructive that what he did as a military contractor.

[@earthling_parth]

This is my first time learning about a piece of media called "Ironheart". I still don't know whether it's a movie or a TV series and I don't care.

[@bluesheep5084]

Watching this made me realize how exciting it would've been, watching her just "understanding" the theory about the Ironman suit and the reactor. She wouldnt even have to be successful in the end. Just tinkering the whole time to show how hard it is. The new movies kind of forget that the characters are still human, physically and mentally.

[@andrewgreeb916]

We want to see people struggle and earn their power, not just have it. Modern writers sure do forget this concept, at least the ones getting budgets

[@tacotuttle]

Maybe she could've had a struggle about not living up to Tony

[@brendenhawley2225]

@@andrewgreeb916 I think part of the issue is they already shown it, They already built up this world full of titans, and each movie tries to one up the one before it. A weaker villain, with lower stakes would of done the series good. Ironman first foe was terrorists and a guy stealing his tech, Riri and Shuri first foe was the kind of guy that can fist fight a hulk and leads a nation.

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

@@brendenhawley2225 Should have redone the same thing. Set up your goddamn characters!

[@ChrisColeChicago]

How many people would be happy with a recap of the learning curve, though? Studios feel like they've shown it already; why show it again?

[@TheCursedCat1927]

I think it's worth adding that the whole "I have class" scene was 100% thrown into that, simply because people laughed when Parker said it in "Civil War." Only the difference, is that it made sense for Peter - who had no real reason to go with Tony, other than just wanting to help his "hero" - so making up an excuse on the spot about having to continue his normal life, it just fit the character. Whereas here it's forced into the dialogue as if it was a similar situation in any way, because they hoped people would laugh too - and instead people just saw a bad attempt at a joke, because "Oh look she's a teenager."

[@spacecat7827]

She made a vibranium detector for the C. I. A, that started a war and also an iron man suit, but still has "differential equations"

[@NoPantsBaby]

The official lore reason for Ironheart existing is that looking for a victimhood status Riri asked a teacher to tell her she couldn't be something (despite the teacher being super supportive cause she recognized a good student) and she randomly said "You'll never be Ironman" cause she never will be. So Ironheart exists cause Riri spent the rest of her life trying to prove wrong the teacher that "doubted" her. That is the ACTUAL OFFICIAL LORE reason for Ironheart's origin. She wanted to be a victim so badly that she told a teacher to neg her and then dedicated her life to proving that teacher wrong.

[@hansb.jaeyni8230]

I figure Disney was tired of people saying they were ruining the source material, so they picked the worst source material they could find. It's not as if they could make it much worse

[@Thorrnn]

I knew there were other legit reasons to loath this character. I just didn’t know what they were, until now.😂😂

[@desmondng5375]

The worst part is that this sounds like two very interesting origin stories mashed into a shitty mess. -Having a teacher tell an ambitious, extremely intelligent student she will never live up to the greats and the student living her life to prove the teacher wrong: Good, makes sense, satisfying to watch -Having an impressionable student asking a teacher on a random life goal and hyper focusing on that: Unique, easy to make drama from, mirrors real life pressure on students, also would be very interesting Having a student ask a teacher to insult her and using that as inspiration: Wot?

[@amanofculture4845]

so dumb

[@Ladywizard]

Worse was literally she couldn't be TONY STARK not ironman and Riri invaded Doom's lands and took over while he was out just because and the first Ironheart suit was stolen from Stark

[@aamake547]

Tony survives his fall because he's a genius and installed manual flaps in his suit. This girl survives her fall because she... she does.

[@LiamTolentino]

The scenes of Tony Stark developing his technology were perhaps the best parts of the Iron Man movies because it made these fancy sci-fi gadgets feel like someone's hard work and research rather than just some fun and cool fictional technology. It made the suits and stuff feel so much more special because we got to see how they were developed and made into reality. It almost felt like watching Mythbusters seeing Tony analyzing problems and figuring out solutions and then testing them out with cool guns and explosions and shit. I really wish they kept those parts in the post-Endgame movies because it made these worlds feel more real. They almost pulled it off with Spiderman in No Way Home with Peter using his scientific knowledge to figure out how to help the villains, but it doesn't have quite the same charm because Peter figured it out almost too quickly. It's not like the scenes of Iron Man testing different scenarios with his suits in the first movie, or figuring out the new element in Iron Man 2 or most recently, in Endgame when he spent countless hours figuring out time travel before finally having a eureka moment with the Möbius strip. They have so many opportunities to do this kind of scene again, and I'm really really hoping they do because it might actually get me invested in the mcu again.

[@brendanbonmon8153]

And people wonder why Riri is a better replacement for Tony Stark than Peter Parker ever will.

[@diegoochoa8050]

​@@brendanbonmon8153that makes no sense when the whole point of the video is to show why Riri is NOT a good replacement for Iron Man.

[@brendanbonmon8153]

@@diegoochoa8050 Its because Riri is better and is more than trustworthy with Stark Tech then Peter will be.Peter had the stark tech and was trusted with E.D.I.T.H. and then he blew it because reasons and now its all gone while Riri on the other hand still has Stark tech and she didn't blow it like peter did and that is why Riri Williams is the best and better Iron Man replacement across the board.

[@Ленивыйканал-в5э]

​@@brendanbonmon8153and an absolute garbage of a character, like all females characters in modern movies. Why old shows can do relatable and cool women, and now all we get is annoying always-succeding bi**es.

[@rue1868]

I thought it was real after watching the scene,

[@luthfinicolasereni5595]

They could make Riri more relatable and likeable If they could have Showed how Riri got inspired by Iron Man Showed how people mocked her for having silly dreams Showed how she made the suit, trial and errors It is an easy formula but would work better than what we have.

[@christophertaylor9100]

She's apparently even worse in the comics

[@worldscoolestperson7672]

@Christopher Tyler oh god she’s so much worse in the comics, this version is a MASSIVE improvement

[@protus3882]

@@worldscoolestperson7672 what was she like in the comics?

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

But that would imply she's not already perfect!!!

[@inkkid376]

@@protus3882 she was pretty bad at first, but she was soft rebooted a think, her newer comics aren't too bad though it is wordy

[@synnamon_toast_crunch]

also her suit looks soo goofy too 💀

[@anigmaYT]

Ye but tbh the mark 50 looked so goofy after watching the iron man films

[@synnamon_toast_crunch]

@@anigmaYT not even close 💀

[@LuvMox]

@@anigmaYTnot even a 1000th as bad tho let’s be real and I’m not even a fan of the Nano Tech suits either

[@cychopedia9699]

@@LuvMoxi prefer the real steel armor suit of tony’s. But the nano ones felt like he deserve it as he has made lots of suits

[@cozz124]

shit looks like something from a corn video

[@vikhdez9306]

RDJ is the best cast in comicbook film history, it's just absolute perfection

[@Comkill117]

Another part of these scenes that I think is a problem, I miss how physical these movies used to be. You look at Iron Man 1, they actually built the suit for Downey to wear for reference and even used it in a number of scenes, and the sets were actual sets. Even the CG looked more realistic since they had real material to work with to base it on, as well as the fact they only had to make one movie at a time and not run the animators into the dirt with like 20 projects at once. You look at the behind the scenes stuff now and it’s all a few actors in a massive green screen room. Everything is done in post, and it shows as so much of the environment feels fake, not really reacting realistically to the characters. These movies might as well move to full animation at this point, hell it would probably improve them by at least adding more style.

[@ngabohakiza3988]

Into the spider verse

[@rebelfriend5327]

@@ngabohakiza3988marvel what if

[@sadchild9478]

I’ve been saying this for a while. Live action is awesome, but I feel like stuff like marvel and dc are able to do so much more in animation

[@DireTM]

Something I also think is cool that people phase over is the fact they make the military personnel actually have personality. And the last picture they took was moments before their death as they protected stark

[@Beastinvader]

The soldiers his weapons were supposed to help, killed by those weapons

[@Hello-IsaacHere]

@@BeastinvaderYes, that is part of the plot.

[@slingeroftruth]

Duh

[@samuellopez479]

The suit up scene also had an emotional impact from what I believe. Gulmira is the town where Yinsen lived. It being attacked by terrorists hit Tony in the heart, made him decide that Yinsen’s people would not suffer and made his mind work to clean his arms work history. I mean, when I saw the movie again recently, I realized Gulmira was targeted and believed that was Tony’s snap, that this town of which he actually knew of, through Yinsen, was going to be destroyed by his weapons. And he would rather die than let that happen. IronHeart didn’t actually have a reason to suit up other than “I’m gonna go to jail? gotta blast!” And the purpose of her suiting up wasn’t to grow as a character, but to show off this cheap imitation to get hype. Very disappointing comparison conclusion, correct anything I misinterpreted, iss okie

[@Khami.]

yall trippin abt a her origin and it’s not even her movie like at least let her have her own shii first

[@samuellopez479]

@@Khami. but she wasn’t even given room to grow as a character. Jf she’s meant to struggle and be this successor to Tony Stark, then she has to earn that. Remember Obidiah Stane’s famous words: “TONY STARK BUILT THIS IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!” Tony has been shown to be a genuis, through the actions we watch on screen. He earned the audience’s admiration. Riri Williams doesn’t do anything to earn our support. No struggles she overcomes. She literally comes into the movie having invented miraculous things, but we never see how hard she worked for it. Yes, it’s not her origin movie, but we can’t pretend she earned a fanbase because she’s named Ironheart. Look at Holland’s Spider-Man. Introduced in Civil War, but he’s not a guy who instantly has skills. He struggles. He’s shown to be a hero by Tony before recruited to subdue Team Rogers. And he does alright for a new guy. He shows his potential against Steve, and even contributed to knocking GiAnt-Man down

[@vanitasthomas4829]

Gotta blast? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@The_child-catcher]

​@@Khami.Remember black panther in the captain America civil war movie. He had a incredible arc and story in a movie that wasn't even his. In fact he was way better in that movie then in his own movie.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

That was Yinsen's hometown? I gotta rewatch the movie, start picking up on the details

[@JDog_Unchained]

Ironheart makes no sense. I can believe a billionaire genius and arms dealer built a suit of armor in his basement, but a genius child with no money built a suit of armor in an abandoned shack with no resources? Gtfo

[@godai6203]

I kind of see Iron Man as Robert’s rebirth into the better man he is today. The man who everyone loves and looks up to. The man who can carry franchises. The icon he is today not for his turbulent past, but for being the face of a hero who understands the power that comes with that and not taking said power for granted

[@alanbrown901]

It was his return it legit the role that turned his life around. Its a fact that iron man and meeting his now current wife helped change him

[@DBZfan452]

The sad thing about all this is that this could have been avoided so easily. Riri being an unpleasant person isn't in of itself a dealbreaker for her character, Tony started off as a warmongering hedonist and had more than his fair share of failings even after he became Iron Man, but the narrative isn't treating Riri's flaws like something to overcome. They're just glossed over. Have Riri reveal she found one of items stolen from Wakanda like the ones Killmonger took from a museum and invented the vibranium detector out of the desire to get a hold of more of this miracle metal. She feels like she doesn't really have a future she's happy with and tries to pattern herself after Tony, seeing how he'd practically built himself a new life, using the vibranium she found to speed up the development of her own suit. Make her inexperience and self-assurance her major flaws and force her to come to terms with how her actions have had consequences for other people that she hasn't considered. She might be smart and ultimately have a good hear, but she's developed a pretty self-centered perspective from an inability to relate to others and her own ambitions. She should mess up, overestimate herself, and simply be someone with great intelligence but not the wisdom to match. Someone who wants to change the world, but doesn't think everything through and chose to imitate a person she'd never actually met rather than take the time and effort to find her own way. Have her actually make connections with other people and grow from it. That feels like it would have been much more palatable than jumping straight to her succeeding at everything.

[@ScionStorm1]

Riri doesn't even need to exist when Toni Ho is a much better and more appropriate character.

[@harlannguyen4048]

​@ScionStorm1 Problem is, 1) Yinsen's entire family is dead, and 2) Marvel doesn't push her at all unlike Riri, and 3) holy shit, you actually know who she is?

[@ScionStorm1]

@@harlannguyen4048 Number 1 is invalid. We've entered the multiverse. 2. Marvel consistently backing the losing horse has been toxic insanity and my mind won't ever be changed. 3. Avengers World was a fun comic and I liked the characterizations. Sunspot straight up buying AIM was a manic stroke of genius.

[@Jherrin6]

It is the same problem with Rey from Star Wars. We need the development, the training montage, the overcoming of flaws. Instead we get an microwave superhero with no background.

[@adamdunne6645]

Make her inexperience and self-assurance her major flaws and force her to come to terms with how her actions have had consequences for other people that she hasn't considered. Isn't that exactly what happened? She was fighting with the wakandans at the end? They didn't show it of course but still. I feel this video is a little too harsh even if ironheart sucks

[@DjVortex-w]

From the perspective of current Hollywood, the problem with Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark is that he doesn't tick any of the necessary checkboxes for The Message. Not a single one. They can't have that.

[@FuglyStick]

Lol, so insecure

[@DjVortex-w]

@@FuglyStick It's a fact.

[@ricorosson5752]

@@FuglyStick Yes the writers are. If you have to drag someone down in order to prop yourself up that is a sign of tremendous weakness and insecurity. Take your deflections elsewhere.

[@thirstyserpent1079]

@@FuglyStick I'll refer you to all the race swaps that disney have done, the most recent being the little mermaid. Also very convenient that it only ever goes one way >_>.

[@FuglyStick]

@@DjVortex-w that you're insecure? True. Unfortunately there is a whole generation of scared, insecure, defensive children who will never be men and will spend their whole lives cowering, afraid of Others.

[@zadas1132]

Old MCU: Everyone starts at the beginning New MCU: Everyone teleports straight to the end!

[@themicrowave3158]

I think the reason why Tony Starks death was so devastating was because we knew this character really well, and we watched him change his ways. Now the mcu is a 80s sitcom where the main male character used too much hair gel and they have to crack jokes every 10 seconds or else it just becomes very boring.

[@leaDR356]

His death was so strong that everything after endgame became shit

[@wisewizard9552]

MCU died with Tony Stark

[@maninmathurintaha8808]

​@@wisewizard9552the fact that they're bringing him to get people to watch their movies makes me second this statement

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

​@@maninmathurintaha8808yeah, and now RDJ is gonna get dragged down by MCUs shitty writing. Save my man from being disgraced, PLEASE

[@bryan418]

​@@maninmathurintaha8808exactly, I said it too, RDJ as Dr. Doom was a last ditched desperate effort to win the fans back

[@shutterspeedgames]

My favorite part of these movies is watching them tank in the box office, while the director wonders why their invincible person of color that literally never fails isn’t loved by everyone, and then they blame it on racism.

[@meat-hook]

Don't forget misogyny.

[@charc0al_tv]

Not too late for her to be lesbian too, that way they can also say homophobia

[@schmecklin377]

Then the writers go on strike to get paid more

[@konstantinospentespitis9691]

​@@schmecklin377you clearly do not know what you are talking about the writers that went on strike were not the ones of million dollar budget movies they were the ones that got paid minimum wage for 10 hours a day

[@Heavypunch23]

What movies tanked in the box office?

[@stealthynaxo]

See the ice thing couldve served well as a call back and a joke. Imagine Shuri complementing her on the design and then asks about how she solved the icing problem only for her to either freeze and fall or non-chanantly say it was no biggy. Only for her to stop gainning altittude and say "Note to self' research ice isolation."

[@The_best_Catnap_is_here]

That would have been actually pretty good

[@TheFirstCurse1]

That's a way to call back to it while still respecting your work and franchise. But this is post-Endgame Marvel we're talking about. They saw what the Star Wars sequel trilogy did and decided "we want to destroy our franchise too".

[@BRIPZ]

Just going back and watching iron man 1 and seeing that scene when Yinsen tells Tony not to waste his life. It hits so much harder knowing how Tony sacrifices his life for the universe