Why is every new record a double album nowadays? PLUS other stuff you wanna talk about

[@MetalJesusRocks]

When Def Leppard’s Hysteria album originally came out on vinyl in the 80s, it was considered pushing the limit at 62:32 and lost fidelity near the center. When they reissued it a few years ago, the spread it out over 2 records to resolve that

[@dcarbs2979]

What is the original CD like?

[@Channel33RPM]

Funny you mention this... I remember reading interviews with Joe Elliot at the time, talking about the struggle they had getting 60+ minutes of music on one record. The CD sounded great (I still have an OG CD).

[@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914]

Tool;'s Lateralus is longer than 80 minutes, required special overburn, and was problematic to copy 1 to 1 ... imagine on vinyl the picture disc they ask to make... why not make perfect 12" black vinyl? It puzzles me minutes of play time. In the 1990s to 2000 we saw albums go from 60 to 80 minutes. To fill the CD. And then vinyl returned massively around 2006-2008. Thus long albums above 42 minutes dont fit on 1 vinyl, voilà!

[@TheDoctor394]

I've got "Hysteria" on vinyl, and thought about it straight away when watching this video. It's been years since I listened to it, and can't recall what I thought of the sound. I also have The Cure's "Disintegration" on vinyl, which just tops an hour. I've always loved listening to that one.

[@jmfloyd23]

I have both the single Lp and double Lp of Hysteria. I have to say the single Lp lacked the fullness of fidelity you got on the CD. When the double Lp version came out it was like listening to the cd .

[@neilforbes416]

1:03 A CD could hold *80 minutes* of music, nominally. However, commercially-made CDs had a 2-to-3-second buffer between each "track". Whereas home-burn CDs are, or can be produced on software that can cut out that 2-to-3-second buffer to give that extra capability to utilise the CD to hold up to within 10 seconds of the maximum capacity of the CD.

[@jhutt8002]

No. It's just not that exact. CD was desinged to hold 74 min. But they added a lot of room for error to make it robust. Later on CD was nominally expanded to hold 80 min. but it didn't change anything in practice. They just acknowledged that most CD players can easily read the disk even if pushed up there. In fact you can go even further, it just becomes harder and harder for CD drives to read. VWestlife has video in KZbin where he made 99 minute CD.

[@derradune6722]

Maybe it’s my age, but I’ve always felt 40 minutes was the ideal run time for a rock or pop album, unless of course it was deliberately recorded as a double album (The Wall, the White Album, etc). I think one of the downsides of CDs was that artists felt obliged to fill them, so songs that would have been fine at 3 minutes were now 5 minutes or more. In fact I remember John Mellencamp getting criticism because he was still issuing albums at “LP” length in the ‘90s when CDs had pretty much taken over. People wanted their CDs “full”.

[@killrmillr]

Yes, with the CD came a lot of filler material. Artists should focus on giving us 40 minutes of quality.

[@Channel33RPM]

I agree with both these comments... there was (often) a lot more filler when the runtime of an album increased.

[@patbarr1351]

It's a dilemma for sure. I've read interviews with artists reflecting on older albums & wanting to put out a 2-disc set in the '70's but not wanting to burden their fans with the cost. I was listening to Stevie Wonder's *Songs in the Key of Life* last week. That album was a 2-disc set with a lot of good songs & it included even more songs on a 7" EP, which sounds really noisy. On the other hand, I have Rick Wakeman's *1984* which is a single LP, but seems a bit short for its concept.

[@gomiwomi]

Close to the Edge by Yes on CD has the worst filler. Just give me the 3 songs,DAMNIT.

[@TheFrugalAudiophile]

I love streaming music for discovering new bands, accessing music while traveling, and the ability to stream to multiple locations in my home at the same time. I love vinyl and CDs for the nostalgia, liner, notes, cover, art, and ritual of getting out the media and playing it on my system. I know that technically Hi-Rez streaming has better sound quality, but I think I prefer the sound of vinyl. As a techie, that is difficult for me to admit to.

[@shanedalton3326]

I remember a few albums had a Vinyl record version and a CD version. Brothers in Arms, The Division Bell, Never Let Me Down, etc

[@davidellis5141]

The excellent new Cure album is 49 minutes & could be a single disc easily but sounds so much better as a double album. Worth the extra price for the aural bliss 🔊.

[@rocker11281]

You clearly didn't iisten to the single disc edition. It's absolutely fine. I think there's not that much of a sonic gain in the Grundmann expensive 2 LP-Version.

[@rocker11281]

You clearly didn't listen to the single disc edition. It's absolutely fine.

[@davidellis5141]

" rocker " - You clearly aren't very clear 🙄 Is that clear , 🤔 .. 😆 🤣

[@feelyvision]

@@davidellis5141 It’s a shame they didn’t put the 2lp version out on 45rpm…given the length of the album. I didn’t buy the single version so can’t compare and contrast…however I did stream the entire album on headphones with the lights out and for me that’s the way to go with this one…taking me back to my teenage years!

[@feelyvision]

Ive no issues with albums being split over two discs... especially if it benefits the sound quality...but i do feel short changed when it doesn't come in a gatefold sleeve!

[@gomiwomi]

Justice for All, Use your Illusion 1 AND 2, Talking Heads Live 1982 are all guilty.

[@feelyvision]

@@gomiwomi the list is long! The worst offender of recent times is the reissue of Neil Youngs Ragged Glory…3 discs squeezed into one sleeve.

[@Channel33RPM]

I am a fan of gatefolds as well.

[@ek8137]

1:26 Interesting I didn't know this. When I was a late 80's bar DJ I always had to adjust Hysteria to make it sound good. Always sounded very flat.

[@adama7774]

Sometimes the 2 disk thing is just because of song lengths, it's something that seems to crop up a bit in the prog and doom based genres where songs can be anywhere from 4 mins to 90 mins

[@SpyderTracks]

Bandcamp is my go to, I buy there whenever possible as they tend to reward the artist far better, plus the copies released as you say tend to be more unique, and a lot of artists off label will sell on there.

[@keithvincenttucker9923]

I started collecting records about 15 years ago, as well. I was born in the mid-70s, so by the time I got interested in getting my own music, it was cassettes, and later CDs. My dad had records, so I was familiar with the format. Then, one day I was at a garage sale, and I saw some records, with Alice Cooper's "Killer," being the record at the front. At this point in my life, I don't think I had ever seen a rock record. All my father's records were country, as were those belonging to other adults I knew. I ended up buying 30is records for $10. At first, I didn't even plan on listening to them. I just thought that the covers would make good wall art in a den/man cave, I was planning on setting up. I didn't know records were making a comeback. I just figured I could frame and hang the ones I liked, and maybe make a little money framing and selling the leftovers. My late wife was on board with the plan. Over the next few years I made similar deals at other garage sales, when I encountered other record covers I liked. It wasn't until I started researching some of my acquisitions that I realized there was a vinyl resurgence and that records could sound great. My dad's records never sounded great, but looking back at it, his records were old and in poor shape. Likewise his record play was a cheap receiver with build in record changer. The kind where there isn't proper speaker outputs, but where the speakers plug in by RCA cable. Just a guess, but I am assuming the stylus hadn't ever been changed. While my dad liked music, he never seemed to be concerned with hi-fidelity. He would record songs from the Tommy Hunter show by placing a portable, mono, cassette recorder next to the speaker on our old black and white TV, then happily listen to them in the dirty old deck in his truck. After collecting records this way, for a while, I wanted to get a record player, but my late wife was against it. As far as she was concerned I already had an expensive cassette deck and CD changer in my system, why would I need a record player too. I am guessing she had the same experience with records in her own childhood, as I had, but I never pressed the issue. Eventually, years later, she relented, when we were at a garage sale, and I picked up an 80s model Sony turntable at a garage sale for $5. It worked fine and sounded good. more recently, I replaced it with a 70s model Sears Professional series unit that sounds even better. Now, I cannot find cheap records at garage sales. Everyone has realized the resurgence and the value of records. If I do see any, they are usually over priced. So, I have taken to buying bulk record lots at auction. Over the past year, I have went a bit overboard, and bought a lot of about 1000 records on three separate occasions. Each time the price for the lot was less than $1 per record. The first two were great, with lots of 70s and 80s rock, mixed with some country, blues, and jazz. The last one wasn't so good, and is almost all the type of 60s and 70s easy listening that no one is interested in anymore. By doing this, I have discovered a lot of new, to me, music that I likely would have never encountered. I have also encountered multiple copies of many popular titles, but it has allowed me to pick the best version for my personal collection, while, slowly, selling off duplicates and music that doesn't fit my tastes. I have now put a halt to such auction buys, until I can sell down the collection. The rock, blues, and jazz stuff moves, but I suspect that the easy listening stuff may take a will to get rid of. I tell myself, that I won't do this again, but, I probably will, once I make some space. I have learned which, local, auction companies, I can trust, for future reference.

[@A1Fanatiker]

I loved the part of your history where your dad recorded from the b&w TV to enjoy listening to his favorite at the time music in the dirty truck tapedeck. In 1980.my Dad git a new Mazda GLC economy Hatchback when I was 15. I convinced him tp outfit it with a decent casette deck and some Jensen speakers. It was a major accomplishment in my music world to have my Dad up w the times. Also at 15 in Vicksburg Mississippi, there was the greatest station in Shreveport Louisiana (flat as a pancake in that region) that s beamed out new music every Saturday night on a special program. I have the most wonderful memories with my 1 big speaker Panasonic radio/cassette recorder of making tapes of a special preview of Pretenders Learning To Crawl Lp, as well as a live performance of Thomas Dolby concert in the UK. The sound quality of both recordings was amazing I the clear night radio sky.

[@keithvincenttucker9923]

@@A1Fanatiker My dad was very much a "its good enough," kinda guy. That B&W TV was in the early 80s. Everyone we knew had a color TV, but Dad never saw the need, because ours still worked. When I was 16, I convinced him to get a Pioneer deck for one of his old trucks. He always hated aftermarket decks because the radio didn't get as many stations as the factory radio. He only had cheap aftermarket decks, though. Once I put a Pioneer in my first truck, I showed him how good the radio was. I didn't have the same experience taping off the radio that other people had, in the 80s. It was rural, northern Alberta. The only stations we could get were a couple of country stations and CBC. You can get CBC everywhere in Canada, but I don't think anyone actually listens to it. There was a top 40 station out of Grande Prairie, but we could only pick it up if the conditions were just right.

[@lkmiii5619]

Awesome.. have a friend that was going to throw away two huge boxes of albums.. one decent shape and the other box had gotten wet. I was able to save the wet records not the sleeves... took three months cleaning to go through em.. not disappointed I've got frankie vali, Sam Cooke, Dean Martin, Elvis, etc... i did have a small collection I carried round with me for 30 years.. Miami vice, meatloaf, acdc. My wife found a phonograph player a couple years ago at walmart.. it's pretty good better than I thought it would be and blue tooths to my little speaker.. or rca to my receiver. She started my fascination up again... I'm at well over 1000 of the 33s and 45s. Songs I've forgotten never knew love it.. kids n momma bopping through the house singing sixties tunes.. the smiles are worth the cost. Have an awesome time collecting and I hope you find those gems you are actively looking for. 😇

[@A1Fanatiker]

Stumbled across you for the first time exploring vinyl channels.Really enjoyed hearing the answers to viewer/followers questions. On the topic of when I made a conscious decision to collect. I'm sorta like you. I grew up in early 80s and music was just a constant stream in my life introduced thru my alternative radio station and Bowdoin College Radio station in Maine.Thats when I discovered my life soundtracks. I would say I made a decision around yr 2000 in my late 30s to start collecting the mostly JEM import albums that I couldn't afford as a young person, as well as some classics like the Cars, U2, and Peter Gabriel that I didn't buy yet between teen yrs and age 38. Forced to sell off my collection in 2008 by artist lot on ebay for a health expense (except about 25 core selections from Peter Gabriel, early U2,New Order, Tangerine Dream. Some Cure mostly) God has blessed me greatly with rebuilding my collection to a much better degree since the selloff and being able to Expand the Cure ,Police XTC , New Order,Blondie, Kate Bush,Johnny Cash, Tom Petty, Kraftwerk, George Jones, Dead Can Dance, Missing Persons, and many other faves. The best newer LP I've discovered in a long Time is Bruce Springsteen's Western Stars. It is a masterpiece about life and the the aging process imo. On topic of digital music, I. Have not adopted streaming yet, other than Country a little for a fave artist Ella Langely. All I can say is I discovered and listened to a digital only lp Flotsam and Jetsam by Peter Gabriel tonight first time. Honestly I thought it sounded crappy and software generated for about 3/4 of the ridiculous number of 62 songs alternates, b sides ,rarities. And new songs. I discovered about 4 songs I like, but have no method to aquire them on any medis. Thanks for reading my novel.

[@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914]

i love physical media above digital, no doubt. BUT i do buy a lot on Bandcamp, to have songs and share comments about them to other listeners on the song page. I buy itunes singles too. It'S 2 great streaming options to pay the artist. Bandcamp is better you can tip them any amount! percect WAV files on bandcamp, or lower quality mp3 - off - even high quality Flac. AStarted collecting CDs with Bad REligions' Stranger than fiction after Ace of Base and Roxette were my youth'S hit. Loved the Bamba cover in the 80s, those rock & roll twist revival songs as well. Doo wop cuz of Back 2 the future

[@simonarcher1510]

When a track or two are dropped from the vinyl is far worse than two pieces of vinyl. Back when CDs first came out they only stored 72 minutes of music, but now they store 80 minutes. And you’re right that the average album length has grown to over an hour, hence the double vinyl.

[@theFILMNERD653]

So when albums fit up to 26 minutes each side this will always negatively affect the general sound quality?

[@grahambiggs9822]

Great Q&A Frank and absolutely agree with your take on records being released on double album nowaday. However some record companies go for the lazy press and offer very little extra. No customer inner sleeves and very little extra within the inner gatefold. Thanks for answering my question and congratulations on taking this channel so far. At 75k subscribers, you have clearly hit on a very popular (and friendly ) way of taking music and vinyl. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these videos Frank !!

[@Channel33RPM]

Thank you, Graham. I appreciate your support over the years. Frank

[@juanpuerto737]

Interesting. My issue is with older albums-like Sad Wings of Destiny, which is from the ’70s. It was reissued for Record Store Day a couple of years back and spread over two discs. I haven’t been able to find an original copy, so I can’t make a comparison. The same goes for No More Tears; I don’t have an original from the ’90s, so I picked up the reissue as a double album. Then, of course, the picture disc version came out too. But I’m not a collector of every issue of the same album; I just go for a good copy-unless it’s a KISS or Maiden album.

[@markkillion8980]

I recall that there was change in viewpoint when the music media went from LP to CD. I think there even a trend to extend “release schedules” and put stuff a little less frequently. The fans would receive something from their favorite bands a little less often. Whether that justifies a double disc release nowadays, who knows…

[@berry5593]

Hi Frank, question for a next Q&A: how do you keep track of you collection? Do you use database software to register your records? I collect books (poetry) and built a database system myself (I am a software engineer) to keep track of what I have. How do you know, when you're in a record store and spot a certain album that you don't own a copy already?

[@memyselfmyvinyl894]

Discogs is pretty much what a lot of people use. There is an app. It basically catalogs your collection. I can't speak for Frank, but it's pretty simple. So I can check my collection on my phone or laptop.

[@rocker11281]

Discogs!

[@stevecarlsonvinylcommunity9147]

I just did a video on what to do with my collection is my family doesn’t want it. I’m in my mid 60s so this has been bothering me. I got a lot of great suggestions from people on what to do with it. I was surprised how many people this issue has been front of mind as many collectors are getting older

[@Channel33RPM]

I watched your video yesterday, Steve. Good stuff!

[@shoullin1761]

I bought a liquid filled vinyl by driftless off of Bandcamp. It should be here this week. I also found sleep token’s two EPs on there. I bought the digital files and created vinyl records for my daughter through cuts on wax. I’m still waiting on those to come in too.

[@paulsmith6553]

When it comes to record collecting and big collections Henry Rollins comes to mind and I would think He never plans on down sizing!

[@donaldsullivan9731]

Thanks for another great video Frank, I hope things are well on your side of the continent! Now I'm going to check out streaming as a means of checking/finding new music! That's sure to keep me off the streets and, hopefully, in a bit less trouble ... 🙃

[@Channel33RPM]

Thanks Donald - all is well here.

[@WinkingFish]

I prefer 60 minutes spread over 3 LP sides with a Side D etching to having only 2 or 3 average length songs per side and stretching to a 4th lp side, requiring flipping more frequently. Gotta find your thoughts about why you dislike the etchings.

[@MrRoarkeFI]

Kiss’ Hot in the Shade album was around 60 minutes, maybe over. Although it’s a poorly produced album, the sound quality is the same between the original vinyl and original CD. No degradation on the vinyl.

[@Cont0rt]

I always wondered why most modern LP's I buy are 45RPM instead of 33 1/3RPM

[@automatedelectronics6062]

Myself, I became infatuated with records, record players an jukeboxes back when I was a toddler in the 1950's. There were 78's 45's and LP's which I grew up with, but 45's were most interesting to me. Maybe because they were easier to handle for a little kid and they were very durable. Then there were the automatic record changers and jukeboxes, which fascinated me. I didn't care what they were playing I just liked to watch them play and cycle. Throughout my life, I bought tons of 45's because they were cheaper and I got the exact songs I wanted.So many albums had maybe just one or two hit songs and the rest was filler, so, what's wrong buying only the songs I want to hear. If downloading music, including individual songs was around when I was growing up I probably would have not bought physical media. As a teenager, with a little more money to spend, there were lot's of discount stores lowballing records. I remember when CCR's latest album, "Willie And The Poor Boys" first came out, it was on sale for $2.13 US. How could I pass that one up? It had a bunch of great songs on it. The regular price of single LP's were under $4. US, so it was easy to buy them. Then there were the cut-outs. Tons of great, non or barely current 45's 3 or4/$1. LP's for under $2., sometimes $1 or 2/$1. US I was able to buy lot's of records cheap I liked to make lots of cassette tapes, making mix tapes and recording LP's. A 60 minute could often hold one LP and the 90 minute ones could hold 2 LP's of material. I think it was Maxell that had C46 cassettes. Those could usually hol one LP. Before I could burn my own CD copies, C60 and C90 cassettes fit the bill.

[@jimb2416]

Great video Frank! It's always fun to hear questions from fellow fans like me. Maybe you'll answer my recent question about resleeving new lps that come in polylined sleeves. Yes? Or no? Keep on spinning Frank 👍

[@peterx1957]

Hey Frank, I suspect that record companies still think in terms of CD length (77+ minutes) which effectively translates to double LP length. Which is why so many longer albums were issued. There was a need to fill discs, lest companies get accused of 'short changing' the CD buyers. Trouble with longer albums is (a) more tracks mean extra song publishing royalties & (b) more filler less killer. Cheers

[@mrhoffame]

Another great one my friend!

[@ChuckCelticCarNut]

I am not as impressed with the sound of streaming, but I really like the several things about stream. The portability, trying new (to me) music and listening to music when multitasking are the things I like about streaming. However, if I'm 'listening' to music intentionally vinyl is the best followed by CDs and finally streaming. Thank you for another fun 'Channel 33 RPM' experience.

[@jabberdouche]

Just listened to that Michael Kane & the Morning Afters. They sound very much like the Ducky Boys. So if you like them, you'll like them as well.

[@dasherf17]

Don't know if this was mentioned, but some artist's libraries were reissued/remastered at 45 rpm (sorry 33ers, it's true)...it goes faster and surface noise doesn't (supposedly) factor as much...

[@PrankZabba]

I recently found some classical album online that squished 40 minutes onto one side. Of course, didnt think to write it down. But there is also that weird 1 hour album that Radio Shack put out. But who wants to listen to Arthur Fidler that long?

[@FasuloA]

With the first question I feel like they meant when an album was originally released on a single disc why are they expanding it to two, not so much why something released on CD in the 90's is being released on a double LP now. I have noticed this with a large number of my albums as well, I have to assume it is for sound quality for sure. I have a 33 1/3 copy of Brothers In Arms that has the same number of discs (2) as my MoFi 45rpm copy, which is really weird to me.

[@raggeragnar]

Hello Frank ! Great topics. I’d like to contribute to #1 that sometimes when they vinylize a cd or expand a crammed 1Lp to 2 records , they add single b-sides and stand alone singles to fill up the 4th side. One great example is : The Cult-Sonic temple 30th anniversary reissue. One of my all time favourites got even better. Both in sound quality and content. Stay cool. /R

[@Channel33RPM]

Yes, I love when they do this... the side 4 etchings seem like such a waste to me... better to fill it up with something.

[@brucegrossman3531]

I can only imagine how many records Get Happy - Elvis Costello would be if reissued. Since they made it a point to use both sides fully.

[@BigCraig]

I got the Mobile Fidelity version of Get Happy, and they put it on two LP's at 45RPM. Being at the higher speed and having the grooves spread out makes it have a fuller sound than my OG copy.

[@brucegrossman3531]

@BigCraig I miss my og copy and the huge British Quad poster I had

[@eternalhalloween1]

Yea. Reality has to kick in somewhere Frank. It took 2 vinyl records to hold the material for SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (1977) . But the album easily fit on just one compact disc. 📀 Also, I have recently taken up painting. And when I am painting, it's A LOT easier to put a new CD 📀 while I paint.

[@Channel33RPM]

Cool to hear you have taken up painting. My youngest daughter also likes to pain... and does my mom. Great pastime.

[@eternalhalloween1]

@@Channel33RPM Oh, thank you Frank. Painting was part of what helped me "return" from the illness that almost killed me. ✝ And yea. I have the vinyl of SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (1977). But if I'm painting, obviously it's easier to use the CD. 📀 And of course the fact that a CD can hold 75 minutes makes it easier for an artist to put more music on an album.

[@nicholashatsis1754]

whats that LP to the left of the frame (over your right shoulder)? (silvery jawn facing the camera)

[@DarkJeffau]

Its all because of what CDs can hold. I think some record companies pushed artists into giving more than 60 minutes of music in their contract. I am with a lot of others here that 40 minutes is long enough. Lots of albums have "filler" material .eg live versions or alternate mixes which a lot of those are crap.

[@ventonthorn3455]

I have a reissue of Paid In Full by Eric B. & Rakim. 45m:38s spread over 4 sides. Side B is less than ten minutes. I'd rather have three full sides and a cool etching.

[@feelyvision]

@@ventonthorn3455 think that was a missed opportunity…should have had a second disc of remixes from the album…Coldcut’s mix of Paid in Full still sounds awesome today

[@charlesmorris2033]

You should do a segment about your movie collection as I also collect vinyl, Blu Rays and arcade games. I think a lot of people our age gravitate to the same things. In the meantime keep on spinning.

[@Channel33RPM]

Hmmmm... good idea. Maybe next time I do a tour of the basement (music room, home theatre, and bar). My collection isn't huge (I try to keep it in check - but every movie I have is there on purpose). I love classic gaming as well. Cheers!

[@jabberdouche]

Recently I bought the vinyl reish of Alkaline Trio Good Mourning. Its a double disc, but in 10" format instead of 12". I have probably thirty 10" tecords. I dont seek them out, really, but just bought them when they record is cool kinda wish more bands would do this, but I get why they dont.

[@SRX2004]

The original 1996 release of George Michael's "Older" was on one vinyl album with 11 songs total. If you buy it today it's comes as a 2 vinyl gatefold. 3 sides have 3 songs and the last side has 2 songs. I still can't find a reason for this. I don't like listening to 3 songs then having to flip the album. Why can't a re-issue be made the way it was in 1996?

[@Channel33RPM]

Two songs per side bug me...

[@davidkornblatt851]

There is another reason why a single lp(cd) is divided among two vinyl lps…, if the fidelity if you want premium sound? at 45 rpm ie, ex. The Doors first issued as two LPs or Jefferson Airplane Volunteers issued as two LPs

[@keensoundguy6637]

That corrupts the meaning of "LP". Volunteers, for example, was somewhat over 44 minutes. Split to four sides you should call it "SP", as the times for each side are 10'09", 11'41", 9'18", 13'11". I'd rather have the SACD.

[@dcarbs2979]

I started my music collection as a child in 1993 with 3 tape albums: Michael Jackson Dangerous, 2 Unlimited No Limits and Meatloaf Bat Out of Hell 2. I still frequently go back to all 3 albums, but it was my cousin who spotted a record climbing in 1995 (Deuce - On The Bible) that sparked my interest in chart watching. Come 1996 and my interest in football was waning (despite my home country hosting the European championships). I got Nan to buy Top Of The Pops magazine instead of Match that she had previously done. Having read it, I decided on my main band to watch/collect: Spice Girls. Little did I realise they were to become the biggest act of the decade! I still have my original fanclub magazines.

[@Channel33RPM]

Very cool... you caught them early.

[@dcarbs2979]

@@Channel33RPM Incidentally, Spice is a peak CD-era album that would easily fit on an LP. Just under 40 minutes. In fact it has recently had an LP reissue, just a single disc release.

[@joemartucci4786]

Love the video. Personally I'm really liking Acoustic Sounds releasing some of my favorite albums such as the early Genesis albums at 45 rpm spread out over 2 lps. Anyone or you have listened to these? Personally I love em

[@bobby666666]

Double albums and single albums go back to the eighties. I bought Master of Puppets on a single lp. A few months later, the label released it as a double lp. This was due to the length of the album of around 55 minutes. I passed as I already had the album. I now wish I had purchased at the time. I did know that vinyl was better when spread as I had purchased the year before, a Marillion 12" single spread completely over the first side. It is the best sounding vinyl I have.

[@R3TR0R4V3]

They go way farther back than that.. "Tommy" by The Who is a double album that came out in 1969, and The Beatles (white album) released in 1968.. That's just a couple of many examples. ;-)

[@bobby666666]

@R3TR0R4V3 I wasn't making reference to albums that had to be 2 lps due to theur length, but an album that was a single lp turned into 2 lps. The first rock double album was Blonde On Blonde by Bob Dylan, followed shortly after by Freak Out by Frank Zappa. This information I already knew before my comment this evening.

[@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914]

minutes of play time. In the 1990s to 2000 we saw albums go from 60 to 80 minutes. To fill the CD. And then vinyl returned massively around 2006-2008. Thus long albums above 42 minutes dont fit on 1 vinyl, voilà!

[@WyattRichman]

"Hey we don't have enough good material to fill an album what do we do" Make it a two record set.

[@savingsoul]

Records only hold a certain amount of minutes per side that’s why

[@NicS-q8n]

Keep run time 18 minutes or less per side . Dig those 45 RPM re-masters double LP's

[@7BobbyGaylor7]

Hey Frank. Great and personal video! It was cool to see you in your early days of posting. As a lover of music - I posted a video, my 12th one, that I think you’ll dig, I took on the Noble Records 20 Album Chain Challenge. Thanks for sharing. Cheers

[@Channel33RPM]

I will check it out. Cheers Bobby!

[@BigCraig]

I can understand your dislike for the "etched 4th side", but to me it's better than spreading the music from three sides to four and ending up with sides having only two or three songs, so you're flipping more. To me it's better to just have three sides that are the usual 20 minutes long.

[@fittobetiedyed5315]

Some of these double vinyl albums are set to 45RPM. Alice Cooper has become famous (nototious maybe) for this. It definitiely becomes a higher fidelity decision at that point.

[@TheRocketLombax]

Theres a 90s Brazilian Geffen reissue of Sonic Youths Daydream Nation, which is a double album around 70 minutes on one LP. Probably doesnt sound great

[@TKRVideoCentral]

Great video as always, Frank! Now, I have a question - do you ever get flack from other collector friends about being a streaming guy as well as a collector? I find that so many people in the VC completely shun people who dare to stream or do ::gasp:: digital music, and I was wondering what your experience with this topic has been...Cheers! Have a great week!

[@Channel33RPM]

Good question... I used to get more flack, but it seems to have leveled out (or maybe I've tuned it out). Cheers man!

[@jeffmerklinger9067]

I think it’s to give the songs more space on the record so they can sound better.

[@reap_25]

That's why I love those 45 12 inch records. They sound fantastic with the extra RPM space. But obviously total runtime is only about 10 minutes per side. So not very good for full albums.

[@stefanegger]

9:55 - why "approaching" 75.000??? It says currently here on my computer that you have 75.100!!! Congrats, dude, you make 3/4 of the 100K

[@greyhoundude6112]

The corporate music world has done a nice job convincing everyone to buy music that they already have all over again. I mean, how many times can you buy Steely Dan's AJA? But wait! This one is the $150 UHQR edition mastered by superstar vinyl cutter Joe Blow at RTI!! I guess I have to buy it......again. The vinyl resurgence is becoming a bit long in the tooth, so they need to find a way for you to buy your music yet again and spend even more money while you're at it, hence the 45 rpm double album which will extract an additional $45 or thereabouts from your wallet. My vinyl purchasing has come to an end for the time being. Prices are out of control, and I'm not wealthy.

[@TyroneEpps]

So why do they keep making a 3 album set all the time ?

[@killrmillr]

There are a couple of late 80's LPs that I have, Dokken Back For The Attack and Queensryche Operation Mindcrime, that sound crappy because they have too much music on one disc. By this time they were taking advantage of the length of a CD and then cramming that all on one LP. Both of these albums have 60-65 minutes of music. One exception is Metallica And Justice For All. That is 65 minutes and they released it as a double LP.

[@MegaSaintAugustine]

I have the Dokken Elektra Years box set and Back For The Attack is on 2 disks.

[@killrmillr]

@@MegaSaintAugustine Good. They needed to do that. Should've happened originally. Metallica was on Elektra Records just like Dokken was and they got a double. You know who was getting priority.

[@Channel33RPM]

Yes, for sure... I remember I had Back for Attack on cassette back in the day, and it used to get eaten up all the time.

[@ACT8113]

I'm gonna cheat with this question if it ever ends up in the next qna vid. -since this is a me thing- If you have any damaged records in your collection. Do ya think damaged records deserve a 2nd life as bowls? Similar case with record album covers in which only the cover remains and, in that case, should be put in a picture frame?

[@Channel33RPM]

Yes and yes! Why not? Especially the album jackets.

[@patbarr1351]

I had an import EP that was left in my car on a summer afternoon. It was badly warped, so I put it in the oven on "low" for a few minutes & indeed fashioned Genesis' "Spot the Pigeon" into a candy dish which I still have.

[@mickricksbsc]

The worst are those premium priced "remastered at 45RPM" albums, which hold maybe 2 or 3 tracks (if you're lucky) per side, split across 2 discs. Okay, they play at 45RPM, which is supposedly the optimal speed for vinyl audio quality. But they are essentially just 2x12inch singles. Which you would probably pay around £20/$36CAD/£26USD for. The Ultravox 40th anniversary edition of Lament is split across 2 discs, both of which have an etching on the reverse side. And the version of Queen II from the Studio Collection boxset is the same, except on disc is white vinyl. Shameless behaviour by the labels.

[@angaudlinn]

Yes, aren't those re-released 90's albums just a pain? ;) Since it boosts the price of the album a lot with a second (or third) disc I think it's quite annoying. Especially if they've just filled the extra space with b-sides and similar (like they often did with the re-released vinyl albums when they first ended up on CD. I touched this briefly in one of my recent videos too btw: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e57NpHqslthliJo

[@theflipside-vinylcommunity]

Awesome video

[@Channel33RPM]

Thanks!

[@mikesilvester3433]

I have no problem with albums being rereleased on double albums. However I’d rather the music be on 3 sides than spread over 4 sides if possible. Nothings more annoying than a record with very short sides.

[@zachary_attackery]

I have the original German vinyl pressing of Kix "Hot Wire" which crams way too many songs onto one LP and it sounds like shit. Kiss "Hot in the Shade" is like that too

[@djacobmadrigal]

Eventually the CD was able to hold 80 minute.

[@gazzmanp]

I seem to remember K-Tel jamming about 45 minutes on each side. Man, even back yhen I knew they were crap.😅

[@Channel33RPM]

Ha! Yes, indeed.

[@moonytheloony6516]

Double albums. I sometimes wonder if that's also a convenient business gimmick to justify a higher asking price to the consumer, I mean after all it's a business first. Just ask Metallica with that unique turntable they put out a few years ago with that not-so-friendly price tag to go with it. It's a business. I stopped buying vinyl 2 years ago, though I still enjoy this channel very much, even though I have no timetable as to when I will, if ever, get back into vinyl. It simply costs way too much in my opinion. I have about 40-45 vinyl albums. I started the hobby during Covid. Many of the vinyl albums I own...are albums that I own in CD form. My CD collection is roughly at a thousand so that's what I've always relied on the most. I can't say vinyl sounds better than a CD. I think they're both wonderful for different reasons. But where CD's brought me back into a more rediscovery mode is....the cost. They're cheaper, period. Great sound at far less of the cost of vinyl. I'll still visit local record shops in my area of the world, strictly to browse. What surprised me is that the used vinyl is often more than a new CD, which is rather silly. So I keep on spinnin' with my Integra CD changer....it's a beast with a great. built-in DAC. Do I miss it? Surprisingly, no. I do feel bad for young people who are interested in the hobby though...the industry doesn't appear all that focused on inviting them in just yet as potential customers, so it's a harder sell as a hobby because it's expensive. I've had better success introducing them to CD's as the more affordable physical media. The industry took the inclusiveness out of it, in my opinion. And yet I enjoy this channel...which has a bit of irony but I think what makes this the only vinyl-focused channel that I watch is how everything is presented. The presentation is immersive. A long time ago I compared this channel, in a comment that I posted, to watching NBC's "Friday Night Videos" in the early to mid 80's....it's a fun escape every single time. Which is why I appreciate Frank because in many ways he's literally a Time Lord who takes me back with a sincere unpolished enthusiasm.

[@vollsticks]

TWO OR THREE "VINYLS"

[@michaelivan9066]

I liked it better when an album was around 45 minutes. Some of my favorite albums were 35 minutes long. 70 minutes turns into a lot of filler most times.

[@Jbones72]

Hate the side 4 etch, I really try to avoid buying them anymore. Give us a couple bonus tracks on a 4th side, especially 90’s cd era records that always had deluxe or bonus track editions.

[@Channel33RPM]

I agree with you 100%... the etchings are such a waste of space.

[@13Carrey1]

Does your wife or ur kids love music u don't like and do you love stuff that the other Familiy Members don't like/hate?

[@vannshuttleworth4738]

As a Boomer, I know that nobody wants my stuff! While I am able, my collection will remain intact! After that, it would be a moot point where they end up. Someone else's collection? A dumpster? Who knows?

[@davejones538]

Would say albums are longer 😂

[@theshih-tzudad4068]

This is because they are taking CDs and stuffing them onto an LP

[@larryoneill7432]

Understand what you’re saying, but it’s aggravating having 2 or 3 songs per side

[@crodoc69]

Brothers In Arms by Dire Straits is reissued as double LP and it isn't from CD era (cca. 47 minutes). It is sold here in Europe for 42-45 €. This is absolute steal! Rip off!

[@Vince_Tasciotti]

Well, I am 63 years old, in good health and I will retire in a little over two years

[@Channel33RPM]

Awesome - congrats Vince! Frank

[@vinylordie1301]

Covid killed a lot of bands! Don’t be a statistic Frank! Just pick up that phone! Rock 🤘

[@offthebeatentracks4515]

Steve Carlson did a great video on what to do with a record collection as one ages. He and I are both at retirement age. I retired at 58 - 9 years ago. Since then, my record collection has grown from around 20,000 to over 35,000. I have more time to listen to records and more time to collect. I tried travelling, I ended up at death's door in Italy over Christmas 7 years ago. Spent 12 days in hospital and 4 in ICU with almost no one who spoke English. Records are way, way cheaper than that trip and all they've done over the years is make me a little deaf.

[@pgh45rpms]

Fifty years ago a double disc meant something special, like the Beatles White Album or Tommy. Woodstock soundtrack was my first triple disc album. Now there are too many multiple discs of average stuff on the market. A good way for the company to make quick ca$h.

[@rocker11281]

It's not that simple. There are a lot of records at 50 - 55 minutes in length, which still sound great. Depends on the kind of music, on the king of cutting (is it DMM?) and on the skills of the cutting and mastering engineers. All the fuzz about "40 Minutes" is oversimplified.

[@analoguecity3454]

I don't like calling people stupid, but a lot of ignorant people think it's to make as much money as possible! This is such a scinical generation I've ever seen! If people would notice, most new albums are over 45 minutes long which starts to affect sound quality! Most reissues from older LPs are much shorter, clocking in at 30 to 40 minutes! 😊

[@fjohnvandemerwe]

Wtf are vinyls?

[@brucebourgoin6834]

Too long winded.

[@peterx1957]

Hey Frank, I suspect that record companies still think in terms of CD length (77+ minutes) which effectively translates to double LP length. Which is why so many longer albums were issued. There was a need to fill discs, lest companies get accused of 'short changing' the CD buyers. Trouble with longer albums is (a) more tracks mean extra song publishing royalties & (b) more filler less killer. Cheers