WHY IS HELCURT THE MOST UNPOPULAR ASSASSIN?

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Elgin

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@airielhaikal696
@airielhaikal696 3 жыл бұрын
he is the best counter for meta hero these days who relies on their skill.he got nerf so bad making him the most underrated assasin.still remember the days where he always got banned :) same goes to karrie.these both two heroes are really good at countering barats tbh
@Gian872
@Gian872 3 жыл бұрын
What will be the least picked marksman??? Kimmy?
@wantsomecoffee5994
@wantsomecoffee5994 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gian872 karrie
@nicholasyi5774
@nicholasyi5774 3 жыл бұрын
@@wantsomecoffee5994 yea karrie damage is great for destroying tank but is pretty weak compared to miya or hanabi or layla late game wise,plus her range is really short which makes her really hard to poaition
@techstudies3235
@techstudies3235 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe not the best
@iamnoobxd1518
@iamnoobxd1518 3 жыл бұрын
They nerfed my helkitty soo bad :(
@GangKaiYing
@GangKaiYing 3 жыл бұрын
Hororo’s Karrie video : hunts Helcurt Elgin’s Helcurt video : hunts Karrie
@ymrue
@ymrue 3 жыл бұрын
Perfectly balanced as all things should.
@lazydave5998
@lazydave5998 3 жыл бұрын
(69)
@As-Th0m
@As-Th0m 3 жыл бұрын
Yuppp scaryyyyy
@muhammadsyazwan.7796
@muhammadsyazwan.7796 3 жыл бұрын
Trust me...@Isoya Yasuji will come
@Rainzer07
@Rainzer07 3 жыл бұрын
The Squels
@lance.7124
@lance.7124 3 жыл бұрын
it's so fascinating how before people would ban helcurt almost every game but now,, he's barely played
@sanketbhattacahrjee6495
@sanketbhattacahrjee6495 3 жыл бұрын
yeah his passive was nerfed. Before after every skill 1 there was silence. I think so
@afan7117
@afan7117 3 жыл бұрын
@@sanketbhattacahrjee6495 they removed the silence of his first skill...
@ranjithaanil1279
@ranjithaanil1279 3 жыл бұрын
He got a nerf streak
@unknownidiot9814
@unknownidiot9814 3 жыл бұрын
Before he was nerf he was op af....the silence was insane
@a_very_burnt_steak
@a_very_burnt_steak 3 жыл бұрын
He is still good.
@username_19388
@username_19388 3 жыл бұрын
Elgin: Dominates with helcurt My teammate helcurt: Always feed and run like a cockroach
@Chrono_topher
@Chrono_topher 3 жыл бұрын
Choox: *IPISS*
@niel3146
@niel3146 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chrono_topher LMAO TRUE
@Gian872
@Gian872 3 жыл бұрын
Ipis is cockroach
@starryskyhighway9628
@starryskyhighway9628 3 жыл бұрын
HC is situational assasin and cannot carry team... literally whem both offlaner lose eventho i got kills in early still can't do anything
@woodox4735
@woodox4735 3 жыл бұрын
Being core assassin always blame for being useless.
@kjbb1001
@kjbb1001 3 жыл бұрын
He's the embodiment of "from the top, make it drop" From being banned to being not picked right after the nerf of skill 1.
@kirtimaanlangthasa6845
@kirtimaanlangthasa6845 3 жыл бұрын
How skill1? Explain
@kjbb1001
@kjbb1001 3 жыл бұрын
@@kirtimaanlangthasa6845 helcurt's previous skill 1 has silence effect. Now, it only has slow effect.
@boyhotdog9753
@boyhotdog9753 3 жыл бұрын
passive silence too.
@GaiaAgul
@GaiaAgul 3 жыл бұрын
@@kirtimaanlangthasa6845 before the nerf his first skill can apply silence without using ultimate but they nerfed it so he only applies silence when using ultimate
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
Literally they took part of his story and lore, he is shadow character that can silence enemies. Now they removed his silence from passive and first skill. He is usless right now. Easy to dodge his damage and easy to kill him because he lost his passive.
@IsoyaYasuji
@IsoyaYasuji 3 жыл бұрын
_”The problem of being the fastest running hero in mlbb is that you can only live in darkness”_ *_- Helcurt probably_*
@reaperplays1114
@reaperplays1114 3 жыл бұрын
Now you again
@Chrono_topher
@Chrono_topher 3 жыл бұрын
_"The problem of me as a hero, is because of enemies always expecting a good user"_ *-- Fanny, probably*
@ArzastinY.
@ArzastinY. 3 жыл бұрын
_"Heroes never fade"_ - Zilong Probably
@a_very_burnt_steak
@a_very_burnt_steak 3 жыл бұрын
Okay
@arianamengbroken360
@arianamengbroken360 3 жыл бұрын
_"I can't clear minions fast"_ -- *floryn probably*
@LonePug
@LonePug 3 жыл бұрын
Poor helcurt was nerfed so much that everyone forgot him
@nb-jb8uy
@nb-jb8uy 3 жыл бұрын
Faramis was forgotten too
@BRUH-lx3jv
@BRUH-lx3jv 3 жыл бұрын
We still remember him on the sewers with the rats.
@nb-jb8uy
@nb-jb8uy 3 жыл бұрын
@@BRUH-lx3jv Bruh?
@xxDanielsWorldxx
@xxDanielsWorldxx 3 жыл бұрын
@@nb-jb8uy haha I see what you did there
@nb-jb8uy
@nb-jb8uy 3 жыл бұрын
@@xxDanielsWorldxx :)
@blurrysuprisedcat8334
@blurrysuprisedcat8334 3 жыл бұрын
Elgin: hc has to go back to jungle to get stacks which can be quite troublesome Barats players: *ive never been so offended by something i 100% agree with*
@anduinlothar4003
@anduinlothar4003 3 жыл бұрын
hard rotate with barats when maintaining stack
@amazingguy5384
@amazingguy5384 3 жыл бұрын
Barats is a highly overrated hero, his ult and denotas welcome is his main damage and even then a high atk mm can kill him like Beatrix.
@puterafahimilmibinmohdhilm1764
@puterafahimilmibinmohdhilm1764 3 жыл бұрын
@@amazingguy5384 and barats can kill beatrix too :\
@amazingguy5384
@amazingguy5384 3 жыл бұрын
@@puterafahimilmibinmohdhilm1764 True, depending how mobile the barats can be.
@alimatloob2850
@alimatloob2850 3 жыл бұрын
But his stacks have a much longer duration compared to Barats and even items in the game
@MrNoms-cn6px
@MrNoms-cn6px 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt is the perfect embodiment of the phrase "I once ruled the world'
@Gatoxintoga892
@Gatoxintoga892 3 жыл бұрын
After the nerf on his 1st and passive, Helcurt has gone pretty downhill. He's now really ult dependent since he can't usually kill someone without his ult because of the small 1st skill AOE and lack of silence especially if he's using retribution and not petrify. His passive on the other hand is like 90% non existence in games. There's only a few situations where you would notice it such as Franco and Tigreal's ult, Guinevere's 2nd skill and purposely standing underneath a Ling ult to silence him but even then it's pretty unlikely to find yourself in most of these situations. But the worst part about his passive is the fact it only works when you are CC'ed and that's pretty bad since most CC last just as long as Helcurt's passive silence so basically you are stunned and can't really do anything but your silenced victims can still pretty much run or do autos and their teammates can still finish you off during your CC duration. Wish Helcurt could somehow get a revamp, I mean it's not impossible to use him in high rank like I still use him and do pretty good but he's not a preferred choice when assassins such as Lancelot, Hayabusa and Ling exist. Maybe a mark mechanic where he gets a reset on his 1st skill and every 3rd cast causes his 1st skill to also do a silence.
@danteadji
@danteadji 3 жыл бұрын
giving hc more mobility and cc immunity + silence AND burst damage will make him a great assasin to counter strong fighters that always gets banned (i.e paq, barats)
@Gatoxintoga892
@Gatoxintoga892 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah forgot to mention his ult doesn't give you assist anymore so yeah....that's a nerf I guess
@kenkr9449
@kenkr9449 3 жыл бұрын
@@Gatoxintoga892 first nerfed passive, 2nd nerfed on his passive, 3rd on his 2nd skill damage and 4th longer ult and no assisy from it.
@yeetlord8281
@yeetlord8281 3 жыл бұрын
Oh he was also a auto banned hero back in 2018-2020 even in MPL (MPL S1-S6) if you are a fan of MPL nor watch you already know this thing
@bagahbread
@bagahbread 3 жыл бұрын
AND THE HUGE DAMAGE NERF ON SKILL 2!! That gives marksmen too much of a fighting chance so if they build even one defensive item late game, you’re toast!!!
@Alcetroz
@Alcetroz 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt: Why am I so unpopular in high rank lobbies :( Hanzo: Don’t worry my friend, I have felt worse.
@nolife097
@nolife097 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@akumaninjahanzo4282
@akumaninjahanzo4282 3 жыл бұрын
As a hanzo user I felt this
@rubychan9169
@rubychan9169 3 жыл бұрын
"the strongest.... And the loneliest. .."
@simplestickland3367
@simplestickland3367 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubychan9169 I kinda hate when I dominate the game with Hanzo, But My team is feeding and blame me when we lose the game.
@hehe-710
@hehe-710 3 жыл бұрын
@@simplestickland3367 dudeee i got 2 savage and my team losttttt
@riviel6107
@riviel6107 3 жыл бұрын
Well it has probably something to do with the nerf on his 1st skill where he can only silence the enemy with his ult. He's still a good assassin tho 💪
@karrot610
@karrot610 3 жыл бұрын
He’s a pretty balanced assassin in my opinion and he isn’t so bad once you master him
@leikezeold1376
@leikezeold1376 3 жыл бұрын
There's also the part where I can't remember when, but I think his 2nd skill's dmg was nerfed into the ground, or he just couldn't keep up with the dmg output of other assassins. I just feel like his 2nd skill dealt way more dmg before, when he was released.
@87P13
@87P13 3 жыл бұрын
@@leikezeold1376 He can literally one shot mms and mages with it
@GaiaAgul
@GaiaAgul 3 жыл бұрын
Back then you can easily win 1v1 in lane but now you can't without being the team's core
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
@@leikezeold1376 yes, his second skill was nerfed from 140% extra damage scalling to 90% extra damage. Literally doesnt deal damage anymore, just build crit items on him. His passive used to be one of the best, but now its one of the worst and it even has cooldown on it LOL. And he cant silence you with first skill so enemies can literally dodge his damage skill by dashing or stunning Helcurt. He is useless.
@dontworryimjustaregularguy3181
@dontworryimjustaregularguy3181 3 жыл бұрын
Well since I’ve playing the game since season 3 the notable nerfs I can remember is 1. He can’t have petrify as his spell since Moonton really wants to copy LoL but won’t allow you 2 spells like LoL (so it’s an indirect nerf) 2. 2nd skill damage nerf for the jungle and creeps 3. Passive nerf and change to him being able to silence when he’s being CC’d and not like before when he gets attacked regardless, since he’s so squishy
@paulknightgaming4311
@paulknightgaming4311 3 жыл бұрын
I Agree👍
@twitzmixx8374
@twitzmixx8374 3 жыл бұрын
you forgot the time when helcurt can silence with second skill. now he needs to activate ultimate to do that
@Sir67-2
@Sir67-2 3 жыл бұрын
@@twitzmixx8374 you mean first skill even without ultimate, if his second skill silence too its kinda op
@twitzmixx8374
@twitzmixx8374 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sir67-2 yea, that was the reason helc was op. you use second skill to attack, then ultimate to escape. because you don't need to use ultimate to silence enemies, most helc users use the ultimate to split push. but when it was removed, together with the nerf on passive, he became mediocre and underwhelming
@xxDanielsWorldxx
@xxDanielsWorldxx 3 жыл бұрын
@@twitzmixx8374 first Skill was the silence then
@russellepatricio1739
@russellepatricio1739 3 жыл бұрын
He was the most banned hero back in the days
@melt0794
@melt0794 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah mate, I remember the horror he laid in back old days.
@nasirka71
@nasirka71 3 жыл бұрын
Agree, when his normal 1st skill has silence cc and his passive triggers when enemies are nearby him
@randomdudeatyourfrontdoor1611
@randomdudeatyourfrontdoor1611 3 жыл бұрын
I remember back then when his passive is irritating
@hotice4746
@hotice4746 3 жыл бұрын
His passive was changed to how it was in the first place, when helcurt was in the ban list. I remember helcurt's passive getting nerfed and then he was removed from the ban list however when he was changed back to how he was, before nerfing, no one played this hero.
@KeyBell
@KeyBell 3 жыл бұрын
@@hotice4746the reason he in the ban list is because his old passive was silencing enemy that hit him with skill damage
@Isoolated_Irl
@Isoolated_Irl 3 жыл бұрын
@@KeyBell Yeah specially who use skill Ex fanny
@unknowntemptation97
@unknowntemptation97 3 жыл бұрын
@@KeyBell Dont Forget his ultimate that always surprise you outta nowhere
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
His passive literally became the worst in the game. He lost usefull silence on passive now he has useless cc silence lol, and he lost silence on his first skill and that gives enemies easy time to dodge his damage skill with dashes.
@Chrono_topher
@Chrono_topher 3 жыл бұрын
He's very very strong, but extremely squishy. He may even be squishier than Natalia
@ohnonono9001
@ohnonono9001 3 жыл бұрын
Natalia can easily escape
@MewKen
@MewKen 3 жыл бұрын
Natalia is stronger than HC since she has silence and basic attack immunity while Helcurt only has silence Their damage output is also comparable but Natalia is stronger in the early game and she is still playable in Late Game just like Selena
@im_misfar940
@im_misfar940 3 жыл бұрын
@@MewKen did anyone ask bro? Every hero is good
@cochonellardondbacon577
@cochonellardondbacon577 3 жыл бұрын
@@im_misfar940 he is just telling his opinion for God sake... And no not every heroes is good that the point of meta
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
@@MewKen helcurt doesnt even have that much silence anymore.
@chingbo4677
@chingbo4677 3 жыл бұрын
Even though hes not picked often, he still intimidates me to hugging my 1hp tower
@ajf6791
@ajf6791 3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣👍🏾 I felt that
@molasba
@molasba 3 жыл бұрын
Its was one of the best assassine,until they remove almost all his silence
@yoheimercenary9320
@yoheimercenary9320 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. wish they bring the old passive back :(
@molasba
@molasba 3 жыл бұрын
@Freak Show Yes,he could silence eneny with his 1st,but now he can only silence with ult 1st,and his passive allowed him to silence enemy that used any skills at him,now he can only silence those who used CC skills at him
@FelisDomesticusKrux
@FelisDomesticusKrux 3 жыл бұрын
Here i am reaching in Mythic Glory 1k with Helcurt ... and Elgin makes a video of how his stack dependant n useless helcurt is, without his ultimate. 3 Tips for anyone trying Helcurt. 1. Build: Tough boots, Hunters strike, Dhs, golden staff, corrosion scythe and Brute force breastplate. With this build attack speed is on steroids, and golden staff gives u full stacks in 3 basic attacks and Corrosion scythe slows enemies so u can land ur spells properly ... Demon hunter sword n Hunters strike is flexible ... Buy Malefic roar or Blade of despair ... Whatever suits u. 2. Use helcurt's ultimate mainly as a way for u to steal objectives ... Unlike Elgin here. Espically if there's 1 or 2 minions inside enemy base range, use ultimate n start attacking base ... Enemies can't see u nor hear the base being attacked. Elgin had several chances to end the game early but he didn't use them. 3. Use Helcurt with petrify ... He isn't very viable as a jungler that much. Bonus tip: Don't listen to people who really have no experience on actually playing something. Elgin here did it as a way to showcase the re-released zodiac skin for helcurt, his opinions are based on the limited no. of matches he has with helcurt (with or against) and if I'm not wrong ... This isn't a mythic glory gameplay ... It's too slow paced to be mythic.
@happydapper8395
@happydapper8395 2 жыл бұрын
All of what Elgin said here was valid, all the assassins have better ways to engage and have multiple dashes at a minimum, if you miss your ult with ling? Who cares? If you whiff your Haya ult? Who cares? If you Whiff a Natalia Combo? Who cares just hide or dash away, of Hc dosent get his skills of he's a sitting duck with no way to escape and he is very ultimate reliant, most assasin's ults are there as combo extenders, they should buff him by doing what they did to argus by reducing his ult cooldown and giving him full stacks once i activates
@invisiblegaming9263
@invisiblegaming9263 3 жыл бұрын
elgin:Helcurt is a unpopular assasin Moonton:but..she is pretty strong,i mean he
@b14liggayurasheedrhian39
@b14liggayurasheedrhian39 3 жыл бұрын
When I'm using Guinevere I stay away from Helcurt and mind my business 😂
@brokecodm4485
@brokecodm4485 3 жыл бұрын
I love the way he uses his brain in the game and not rushing to a decision so much
@manuelcandia1940
@manuelcandia1940 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt used to be my most favorite assassin and frequently played back in the days he helped me reach epic back in 2018 but now i rarely play him, his passive was so op and skill 1 but moonton decided to screw the cockroach over. Ive been playing him again but as a tank in early game and it works
@creambeast8178
@creambeast8178 3 жыл бұрын
So like fighter?
@NetherVoiD
@NetherVoiD 2 жыл бұрын
I guess moonton wanted a flashy game to attract playerz. Having him makes the game like stasis. Lol
@acerregualos5272
@acerregualos5272 3 жыл бұрын
Why helcurt is the most unpopular assasin: 1. Squishy. - Ever notice that assasins have escape skill or heal even without emblems? Yeah. Healthbar is low asf even marksmen have more hitpoints. Because of this, he can't even stay long in teamfights. 2. Escape skill - the same flaw with saber. You chase and you die. Unlike lancelot, ling or natalia that can go undetected with 1 simple skill, or others that have a speedup or reset in blink skill, he has nothing. 3. Damage is good, but not enough. - helcurt is a 1 hit hero. Meaning once he uses 2nd skill, he must run away. The problem is, sometimes enemy lasts longer than his silence and survives his skill 2. For reference, saber's full combo has armor buster and heavy damage with it. His cc duration is also dope. For helcurt, he can only target marksmen. Other than that, and he will not last long enough to kill his target. Take paquito, or chou, or aldous. They can punch away at helcurt even though they have low health because of how squishy he is and how much they are unaffected by his dmg source. 4. Lack of cc - He has silence, yes. ONLY IN THE ULTIMATE Look at ling, he has knockup to have room to deal damage Look at lance, he has lots of slow to help his skills aim easier Look at saber, he has stun to kill the target immediately Any other assasin, they have one cc skill that will get their hands on another kill. Helcurt just have a 30% slow, and a 1.2 silence. The slow is bad cuz anybody can still sidestep eith that slow. 1.2 silence is also not enough cuz he not natalia that can follow up with basic attacks that can chase the enemy. Helcurt? He jumps, lands his skill, then he and enemy (most of the time, enemy can blink away after lasting in the silence duration) can go away casually. They could have buffed his blink skill by resetting it, or could have changed his silence with a 70/80% slow. Look at his damn overall winrate, 45?!
@vidfreakcreations2644
@vidfreakcreations2644 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explaination
@acerregualos5272
@acerregualos5272 3 жыл бұрын
@@vidfreakcreations2644 i'm a helcurt user. It just makes me rage that he is this weak. I understand that he should be easy to kill bcuz he is a threat to enemy team, but after removing his silence, he is not much of a threat any more.
@louielavidez5018
@louielavidez5018 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt is quite underrated but his quite deadly especially his second skill
@lenatan7370
@lenatan7370 3 жыл бұрын
His burst is decent like aamons but they can be dodged
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt is the worst assasin ever. He has the most useless passive, he has easly dodgable damage skill, he cant silence you anymore without ult,and his deadly stingers were nerfed so hard that its better to build critical Helcurt.
@xxDanielsWorldxx
@xxDanielsWorldxx 3 жыл бұрын
@@aatroxtheworldender933 facts
@lol-yz2kd
@lol-yz2kd 3 жыл бұрын
@@aatroxtheworldender933 yup she's useless without his ultimate but he's not the worst assassin IMO
@lol-yz2kd
@lol-yz2kd 3 жыл бұрын
@@aatroxtheworldender933 and his passive is really good like Franco guin ruby chou. So his passive is not useless.
@4sight858
@4sight858 3 жыл бұрын
My Helcurt Revamp Idea: Passive: (Added)When hit with a cc skill, removes all cc effects. (Buffed)silence the enemy for 2s(Cooldown 8s). 1st Skill: (Buffed)Shorter cooldown and wider radius. (Nerfed) Dash range is reduced. 2nd Skill: (Added)When full stack, the stingers can now do poison damage and slows down enemy by 40% for 1s, poison damage is increase base from enemy's lost hp. (Nerfed) weaker damage of stingers. Ult: (Added)Resets 1st skill cooldown, adds full stack of 2nd skill, and next basic attack deals 150% attack damage and silences target. (Buffed) Reduce Ult cooldown by 5s in all levels.
@admiralbeluga6438
@admiralbeluga6438 3 жыл бұрын
How much percent the stinger will the creeps and minion recieve
@4sight858
@4sight858 3 жыл бұрын
@@admiralbeluga6438 Helcurt's stinger damage is higher on minions by 10% and 20% on Jungle
@xxDanielsWorldxx
@xxDanielsWorldxx 3 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful
@username_19388
@username_19388 3 жыл бұрын
Being a guinevere main, I hate his passive.
@alucard2821
@alucard2821 3 жыл бұрын
As a alucard main his passive doesn't bother me
@troll2jeux486
@troll2jeux486 3 жыл бұрын
As a Helcurt main, I love ennemies who pick guinevere 😊
@chitaranjan8067
@chitaranjan8067 3 жыл бұрын
@@troll2jeux486 and I love how helcat got nerf so badly :)
@abhishekpatel5945
@abhishekpatel5945 3 жыл бұрын
@@chitaranjan8067 that was a good burn.
@roxymigurdia2661
@roxymigurdia2661 3 жыл бұрын
As a phoveus main, hes passive doesn't bother me
@NIGHTMARE_KRATOS
@NIGHTMARE_KRATOS 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt and zhask and faramis are my all time favorite heroes in this game. Sadly all of them is forgotten
@NightShade756
@NightShade756 2 жыл бұрын
Forgotten but Deadly
@JapjapGallego
@JapjapGallego 3 жыл бұрын
I love how Elgin explains everything. I love his voice as well
@KagurasUmbrella
@KagurasUmbrella 3 жыл бұрын
I still remember the fear I felt everytime a good helcurt player ults, the chills it gives me as a marksman user is forever tattooed in my body. Ngl i clearly forgot about him already.
@shenron220
@shenron220 3 жыл бұрын
Remembering my first days in game, when helcurt used to terrorize us. That 'Night Has Fallen' line had pretty accurate meaning then.
@shikan7782
@shikan7782 3 жыл бұрын
I used to main helcurt since his release, He got nerfed so much that I decided to switch to Chou. Also I remember when he didn't need to use ulti to silence the hero
@mariaconcepcionpalay5942
@mariaconcepcionpalay5942 3 жыл бұрын
I think he is still good against heroes with CC his passive is very useful when helcurt is low hp
@kageyamatobio5519
@kageyamatobio5519 2 жыл бұрын
This is what they also did to Natalia. They should made his 2nd cast skill faster or made him a little bit tanky since they nerf his passive.
@ahmeddndoon2870
@ahmeddndoon2870 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best matches i saw on elgin channel. GG for both teams
@Chrono_topher
@Chrono_topher 3 жыл бұрын
Two things why Helcurt is unpopular: The damage source is heavily relied on skills, and also with the side-step techniques. Helcurt is like Lancelot (exceot Helcurt is more basic attack) but both share the same weakness of easy side stepping to their side.
@username_19388
@username_19388 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@reaperplays1114
@reaperplays1114 3 жыл бұрын
And the severe nerfs on him and low survibability rate
@Hiryyyyyy
@Hiryyyyyy 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt unpopular assasin? *laughs in Epic*
@thepotatoguardian6657
@thepotatoguardian6657 3 жыл бұрын
12:00 I feel the same way. They should max his stack when he uses his ult, just like how Argus work.
@sanaol995
@sanaol995 3 жыл бұрын
He got nerfed so hard, I wish they buff him like make him have full stacks when he ults
@none0401xx
@none0401xx 3 жыл бұрын
Like Miya when she ults
@josiahablog8242
@josiahablog8242 3 жыл бұрын
Yes Or make his ult like aldous like a maphack XD
@woodox4735
@woodox4735 3 жыл бұрын
just bring back what they nerf, or , make the stacks permanent and not vanishing
@sorryforbad5706
@sorryforbad5706 3 жыл бұрын
@applesilon his first skill should has silence like he used to have...
@dragonmaniac8199
@dragonmaniac8199 3 жыл бұрын
Or mabe if he uses ult enemies cant use skills/blinks within the duration
@sol-dc4zj
@sol-dc4zj 3 жыл бұрын
Elgin : He's simply saying that he loves me. Me : SUS.
@littletiger7410
@littletiger7410 2 жыл бұрын
7:51 NICE EDITS
@lordfiery.8406
@lordfiery.8406 3 жыл бұрын
Even Gildark no longer uses helcurt because of the damage in his 2nd skill
@user-ct1mq3jm4c
@user-ct1mq3jm4c 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I noticed that....How Time passed for Helcurt :(
@sleazyfox8937
@sleazyfox8937 3 жыл бұрын
There were times when playing helcurt I couldn't even stack up anything because teammates would just take everything. They really need to change the cooldown on his ult, allow him to maintain stacks for longer period of time plus widen his 2nd skill and just like barat give him stacks when he respawns from dead and add more slow to his first skill or lower the cooldown. Theres just a lot for him to maintain in this fast paced game where evryone can just spam their skills.
@theo-ch1dc
@theo-ch1dc 3 жыл бұрын
Elgin: least picked hero, helcurt Epic ranked: nah..
@dragonmaniac8199
@dragonmaniac8199 3 жыл бұрын
HEHEHE HIS MY MAIN GOT SAVAGE ON THE WAY THOUGH
@selocha4367
@selocha4367 3 жыл бұрын
Wait really I never seen Helcurt users in Epic
@Kashibaka
@Kashibaka 3 жыл бұрын
his skillsets seriously need a revamp because of this meta. His kit is more like entering a teamfight but not having any chances to escape because of his lack of mobility and his first skill long cooldown. If you compare helcurt with ling or lance and fanny, all of these assassins have immunity or high mobility (ling first skill, lance second skill and fanny cables). This actually made him useless in the teamfight/late game and he starts to fall off during mid game.
@Kashibaka
@Kashibaka 3 жыл бұрын
this is my own opinion
@JayRon2MobileLegends
@JayRon2MobileLegends 3 жыл бұрын
Remember when using this hero people would feed for me so I can get fed and one shot
@cantthinkofausername3910
@cantthinkofausername3910 3 жыл бұрын
As a Helcurt main I'm kinda sad that he's not receiving any attention at all :(
@valentiramos581
@valentiramos581 3 жыл бұрын
Am I right that we helcurt mains felt the same?
@jacoba636
@jacoba636 3 жыл бұрын
I think helcurt is still good. He just need 1 mm for late game, and mm needs tnk, and tnk needs mage.♻
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
Ye pretty useless.
@xxDanielsWorldxx
@xxDanielsWorldxx 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@tea2562
@tea2562 3 жыл бұрын
Ohohoho in epic rank soloq nowdays to get that kind of teamates are very frikin rare
@tea2562
@tea2562 3 жыл бұрын
Its hard for me to maintain every role in epic soloq since im mostly mm and mage main ijust want to rank up to mythic but epic is hell i can barely escape the hell matches sometimes
@nyaho_bb2876
@nyaho_bb2876 3 жыл бұрын
@@tea2562 I quit to be hyper so I can play some hero like support and tank ... It was fun game until they blamed you for no reason
@gamescgg6864
@gamescgg6864 2 жыл бұрын
Helcurt is a great pick if your playing with reliable allies, like a 3 or 5 men team where you know that they know what to do. In solo or duo, is getting more harder to win with Helcurt, since the randoms will keep dying, not knowing what to do when winning to end the game as fast as possible. Would also be great to have like 1 or 2 late game heroes in the team in case the fight becomes long. Helcurt is amazing for first 15, 16 minutes, after that he starts becoming less and less useful. That’s why is important to push the game when leading with Helcurt so the game ends in first 15, 16 minutes.
@IAMTHESTORMTHATISAPPROACHINGG
@IAMTHESTORMTHATISAPPROACHINGG 3 жыл бұрын
Even he is unpopular, I'm still fear his ult.
@josiahablog8242
@josiahablog8242 3 жыл бұрын
Enemy Helcurt:*uses ult* Teamates and Me: RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
@icouldbd1
@icouldbd1 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt need some tweaks. Maybe longer/permanent retain on the second skill thorn thing so he don’t need to go back and forth to restack. From 8s to 12s. Shield when using blink skill. To increase survivability. Increase health. Then he might become middle tier.
@macbreezy5292
@macbreezy5292 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I miss helcurt. He was nerfed so badly 😢
@wlaakongname6507
@wlaakongname6507 3 жыл бұрын
elgin ikaw pinaka magaling mag turo sa lahat ng content creator sa pinas, thankyuuuuu labyuuu
@Sgjcjhsst
@Sgjcjhsst 3 жыл бұрын
I more love to build this build to helcurt Battle axe,endless battle, windtalker BOD, Malefic roar Immortality and Sea halberd for spare equipment
@josiahablog8242
@josiahablog8242 3 жыл бұрын
U forgot swift boots or tough boots dude
@zylin2139
@zylin2139 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt with war axe,hunter strik,malefic roar using petify is a nightmare even for tank in mid game
@Sgjcjhsst
@Sgjcjhsst 3 жыл бұрын
@@josiahablog8242 i know but u know it already that boots is important so thats why I didn't put it in comments
@ななつぁのたいざい
@ななつぁのたいざい 3 жыл бұрын
Elgin:Dominates the enemy team Me:Running around like a cockroache
@aR-cy3bb
@aR-cy3bb 3 жыл бұрын
Moonton should give him a 2nd blink on skill 1 with a stun effect.
@L_official
@L_official 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt ult doesn't even gives assists now when our ally kills enemy during our ult.. back it used to...
@thoudamsayon1822
@thoudamsayon1822 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@zanroellames8198
@zanroellames8198 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt is actually a really good assasin rn, i just hope they lower his ultimate cooldown because that's his main initiation skill. If you didn't know, back then when you deal damage to helcurt you automatically get silenced which was quite op so i understand why they nerfed that. His new passive is actually good because he can cancel a prolonged cc but i hope they adjust so that there's a silence for each individual enemy cc so if he blocks the first cc and another enemy cc him it will be canceled. For better details: Helcurt passive: For the first individual enemy hero cc, helcurt silences the perpetrator. The next enemy hero who applies cc on helcurt will also be silenced and silence duration will be halved every new cc applied by a new enemy hero and has a cooldown of 4 seconds on each different cc and hero. To try to simplify what i mean: An enemy hero will be silenced when they apply cc to you, the second enemy hero who applies cc on you will be silenced but only half the duration and also applies to the next cc and has a cooldown of 4 seconds that will begin after the enemy applies cc.
@NetherVoiD
@NetherVoiD 2 жыл бұрын
I think you should just have to play better. Than relying too much from your hero spamming skills.
@Gilvan88
@Gilvan88 2 жыл бұрын
I played helcurt recently and couldn't agree more with Elgin that you need to end the game as quick as possible because helcurt is almost useless in late game. Damn!
@manganerd_69
@manganerd_69 Жыл бұрын
Opposite for me
@louisebellatrixkim1022
@louisebellatrixkim1022 3 жыл бұрын
I remember helcurt was one of the most banned heroes before season 20 (I’m not sure if it’s correct) because of his annoying ultimate
@zico.6470
@zico.6470 3 жыл бұрын
Im sure it’s because of his passive because it’s annoying for a skill based hero like chou and badang. His ult is not that annoying unless you play a mm. He become less picked after moonton nerf his passive
@Stefan_xd
@Stefan_xd 3 жыл бұрын
11:45 almost like old argus, depending on ult, i swear helcurt needs rewamp with smaller cooldown
@sneakyplayz1162
@sneakyplayz1162 3 жыл бұрын
Still remember the time when Helcurt gets ban every single game, now i barely see a Helcurt user
@selocha4367
@selocha4367 3 жыл бұрын
Last time I actually see a Helcurt user is like 6 months ago
@planb8368
@planb8368 2 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced that hero design is the most determining factor in the hero's popularity. Faramis, Vexana, Helcurt, Zhask, etc. Even the OP Balmond is only popular for a while before it stabilized somewhere in the middle popularity (the last time i checked)
@Lili-mz6kg
@Lili-mz6kg 3 жыл бұрын
He’s easy to use but he’s hard to control due to how fast he can be in my opinion
@dtly50
@dtly50 3 жыл бұрын
Well firstly he has a tanks passive on an assasin. He can silence the person who CC-ed him but as an asssasin getting CC-ed in a bad spot means you are dead anyways. If his passive was put on a tank it would be pretty distruptive but not helcurt. Second he needs to keep up stacks to deal any damage and his stacks can only be obtained in melee. This is awful when you are behind even just a little as the enemy can simply deny jungle and threaten lane and snowball until you are less than half a hero. Lastly his skill 1 no longer silences without ult. This makes him as dependent on ult as argus, except if the enemy groups up, his ults effectiveness is significantly reduced regardless as he can be bursted down. This is especially true when he is behind as he can end up being nothing but a melee minion when he has no ult.
@troll2jeux486
@troll2jeux486 3 жыл бұрын
As an Helcurt main, my favorite part in a game is in rank when I hear the ennemy pick with their wonderful voice : GUINEVERE ! I'm so happy 😊
@aatroxtheworldender933
@aatroxtheworldender933 3 жыл бұрын
Bruh... Cringe kid.
@zxori9517
@zxori9517 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt getting ban Photo Other assasin:Is that You? Helcurt:Yeah,but that an old photo
@nekobeatrix3020
@nekobeatrix3020 3 жыл бұрын
I think moonton should revamp him or at least buff him :3
@istoletxtsbraincells2164
@istoletxtsbraincells2164 3 жыл бұрын
I think buff him and make his stack permanent that's good enough
@nekobeatrix3020
@nekobeatrix3020 3 жыл бұрын
@@istoletxtsbraincells2164 ikr,if he die the stack gone
@Officialsky360
@Officialsky360 3 жыл бұрын
Why helcurt is unpopular in current meta :- 1) Ult dependent, Long cooldown. 2) His damage is ineffective against tanky damage dealers. 3) Too much squishy and don't has many escape skills except ult.
@distrillbe1928
@distrillbe1928 3 жыл бұрын
1. He is too rely to ultimate to get a kill. 2. If his team was losing, you can't gain passive stack, thus you can't kill. Solution: Buff his ultimate cooldown & giving new effect for his ult(like gain 2stacks after using ult)
@user-ct1mq3jm4c
@user-ct1mq3jm4c 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmmmm, probably add Helcurt some enhanced passive.... Ya'know
@infinity6686
@infinity6686 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Explanation Explain Other hero's please so the moontoon understand you anytime
@milosaga5450
@milosaga5450 3 жыл бұрын
The moment he got nerfed, I'm no longer scared of him. That's how bad the nerf is
@Xinxax
@Xinxax 3 жыл бұрын
Why Helcurt is the lowest picked assassin: - Due to his 2nd skill being the only viable damaging tool, he has a bigger downtime (the wait between engaging in the next fight/kill) than any other assassin. Added with the all-or-nothing blink skill that forces Helcurt players to learn proper engage otherwise they'll die, whereas assassins like Hayabusa, Natalia, Harley, YSS, and the rest of the roster, have their own methods of disengaging from a bad situation. *The player mentality of not picking him would be* "why do I have to put in MORE effort to learn more about THIS assassin only, when I can just pick Aamon with so many more choices of easy escapes?" "why do I have to wait to 100% kill the next target? When I can just pick YSS?" "Lancelot can dash but Helcurt cant" - Next point, Helcurt has his sole damaging tool, *as an aimed skill*. Its fine to have Lancelot's skills to all be aimed, and Gusion's, and kinda Selena, but it is painful to have an assassin whose sole damage source is something that *you can miss or they can dodge so easily*. The only way he can dominate is low to mid elo, where you can just auto aim with those stingers. - Finally, his stats that make him the total cripple he is. Helcurt is one of THE SQUISHIEST heroes in ML. And that fits with his playstyle. But it acts more like the seal of the deal that makes him a total all-or-nothing assassin, making him a hardcore choice to main. And no ML player would like to suffer just to play Helcurt. There is no inbetween, you kill that Layla, or her team kills you. and you get reported.
@Elvynna512
@Elvynna512 3 жыл бұрын
After immortality:*running around* Enemy see you after immortality:why are you running helcurt
@admiralbeluga6438
@admiralbeluga6438 3 жыл бұрын
Look how they massacre my little cockroach
@rishiorevon231
@rishiorevon231 3 жыл бұрын
THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS GAMEPLAY EVERYTIME SO CALM UGH 😩
@cjaee345
@cjaee345 3 жыл бұрын
Moonton did him dirty
@Morichoradio
@Morichoradio 3 жыл бұрын
I still remember using fleeting time on helcurt as a substitute for immortality and If I wanted like a fast early atk build item, I would just buy hunter strike instead of BoD or prioritize endless battle first. And I still remember using wizard boots on helcurt during the old times
@lekool9292
@lekool9292 3 жыл бұрын
Unlike most meta assassins with blinks and good mobility, helcurt really can't most assassins, especially with his easily dodgeable skill 2. But that really is his only flaw, he's a beast even in late game, making any heroes squishy with his 2nd skill
@helsingcodm5253
@helsingcodm5253 3 жыл бұрын
Miya is probably the hero with the most identical skins, but her legend skin is underrated👀
@johnnyenglish2342
@johnnyenglish2342 3 жыл бұрын
Why am I so sad? Why am I so troubled? I will put my hope in God, and once again I will praise him, my saviour and my God. Psalms 42:11 GNBDK.😇💛❤️💛
@modules_make_me_sad
@modules_make_me_sad 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt is really underrated cause he is only useful in the early game. Anywhere after mid game everyone can screw his snowball at that point due to him being really weak on defense or magic defense. Also due to his huge nerf when helcurt is gapped and can't make a comeback his damage really falls off so helcurt is like a double edge sword depending on the gameplay. Trust me I have 1k+ matches on him and I found everything about him the hard way. Edit: also due to the fact that he's a meelee assassin its hard to constantly get his stacks for 2nd during a team fight cause anything can happen 2nd edit: I do not strongly suggest elgins build aside from the hook all because the demon hunter sword does not benefit 2nd skill damage and malefic roar only turns your current damage into true damage so most of the items shown does not help helcurts burst but more on his basic attack which is really bad since 75% of his damage comes from his 2nd when ambushing a rotating hero
@dragonmaniac8199
@dragonmaniac8199 3 жыл бұрын
Guys just a tip from me dont use blade of heptaseas. Windtalker and scarlet phantom just use PEN and DMG example war axe,hunter strike and blade of desp
@Muslim_MD
@Muslim_MD 3 жыл бұрын
Helcurt need a buff on his ultimate cooldown, increase the slow of first skill while reduce tge second skill slow, and make the second skill stacks permanent or at least last longer Also the passive should be adjusted abit, it have too small range, i prefer that:once helcurt got controlled, he will remove debuffs from himself immediately with a 5s cooldown, instead of silencing the target within range Btw helcurt is assassin and all assassins don't like reaching late game if the enemy mage and mm are not brain dead, since they can build immortality, athena shield, eind of nature or winter trunchion and dmg dealers can even sell boots in late while jungler can't cz of loss of enhanced retribution But when it comes to helcurt, u can't see who will he attack, and his dmg is physical and his basic attacks are so fast even without attack speed items, so athena wont work well, and since he can one shot squishy heroes within silence duration, none can use wind of nature, winter trunchion or flicker, also if he sticks to tank both will be silenced, and once silence end tge tank may control helcurt and another silence lol, and he is great in that non can know who u r attacking, destroying enemy line up in late, he can kill an enemy with immortality then escape since it have long cooldown Also kadita passive, lylia and zhask ults cant be used due to silence Only heroes with purify or battle spell purify counter helcurt So helcurt is basically best assassin in late since he can't be countered alot Btw helcurt can silence ling once he drop from ult if he was in tbe center, and he have longer attack range than saber, he can reach hanzo main body easily, lancelot can't time his immunity since he can't see helc is targetting him, harley main dmg stopped with silence, gusion is free kill for helcurt, selena too, so he is on top of assassin killing chain
@lower.backpain
@lower.backpain 3 жыл бұрын
helcurt, esme, harith, grock, claude. remember those times when theu were the top ban? moonton thinks they were able to balance them but in reality they overnerfed them. i rarely see these heroes in solo queue now (except esmeralda)
@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz8788
@abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz8788 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, Harith received a nerf streak for a whole year. Claude is almost useless unless fed in the early game. Grock now needs a wall close to him just to activate passive which allows him to be immune to cc.
@Studios_BzR
@Studios_BzR 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for The Build and tutorial Elgin. helcurt is the last assasin that i never ever master.. Thanks for this tutorial Godbless you always 😍
@juxt_aposition9935
@juxt_aposition9935 3 жыл бұрын
Making the adjustment on helc ult where he gets full stacks might be useful
@juxt_aposition9935
@juxt_aposition9935 3 жыл бұрын
@MR THROW BOSS yea I think his ult has one of the longest cd in the game
@kuyifithu4068
@kuyifithu4068 3 жыл бұрын
Yes u absolutely explained the ult right 🤣...u never fail to make me giggle Elgin...keep it rolling my man
@yujin193
@yujin193 3 жыл бұрын
The transition on 7:49 was so smooth
@calebshmanderson
@calebshmanderson 3 жыл бұрын
I think know what change to make him more viable, change his damage type to magic. If he did that he'll have more early to midgame damage with the magic pen boots and Genius Wand. He can use the magic assassin build with Shadow Twinblades and Calamity Reaper and he can even use the burst mage build (Lighting Truncheon and Clock of Destiny).And most of all he can use Fleeting Time. Of course he'd technically be the frailer but simpler version of Aamon but he'll definitely have a better standing
@shanalcordo7174
@shanalcordo7174 3 жыл бұрын
Um I don't think so.. the problem is with his passive and skill 1 not with the build. Twin blades has a counterpart in Attack items and it's Blade of Heptaseas. He was already perfect back in 2019-2020. He became unpopular because of the nerf just like Natalia.
@shanalcordo7174
@shanalcordo7174 3 жыл бұрын
Um I don't think so.. the problem is with his passive and skill 1 not with the build. Twin blades has a counterpart in Attack items and it's Blade of Heptaseas. He was already perfect back in 2019-2020. He became unpopular because of the nerf just like Natalia.
@3mbuds304
@3mbuds304 3 жыл бұрын
When I used helcurt in classic for the scorpio's gift, it's my enemies don't know how to fight against helcurt. Their marksman underestimated my damage lol. I honestly think moonton should bring back helcurt to the meta. They should tweak something about him.
@chanixmobile1731
@chanixmobile1731 3 жыл бұрын
Elgin plays Helcurt: Also description has League of Legends👀
@riyunanayutika5120
@riyunanayutika5120 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I still play him because mages and mm's generally don't stand a chance, I use him more as a harley and leave my team's lineup to independent heroes that can take over the frontline while I assassinate the back. Akai is a great resource for Helcurt's as a group splitter so Helc can easily focus on the backline while the tankier fighters such as Esme or Thamuz can keep the frontline busy enough.
@luismauromaximo3556
@luismauromaximo3556 3 жыл бұрын
I wish helcurts ult immediately grants him 5 stingers and doesn't show any notification that you or your teamate slay an enemy(the notification will appear after the duration)thus will ensure enemy not knowing helcurt had been because they dont know which ally had died,it is a good addition because during teamfight,most enemies cannot know which ally if them died and it will grant a more surprise effect to helcurt, Wish devs do it
@Jxv_ixn
@Jxv_ixn 3 жыл бұрын
I remember last time i use helcurt ult for free assist😂
@dex1444
@dex1444 3 жыл бұрын
Poor Helcurt is the most unpopular, I ALWAYS used him in S2 with 200+ matches in it.
@ThePieOfTheUnknown
@ThePieOfTheUnknown 3 жыл бұрын
Hes so terrifying they didnt even bother making him a halloween skin
@Machamp-gaming
@Machamp-gaming 3 жыл бұрын
Do you remember the old days were helcurt was the most banned hero followed by fighters and tanks
@rondo5980
@rondo5980 3 жыл бұрын
helcurt was pretty good when u could take a different battle spell and jg petrify was amazing with him
@yamligma
@yamligma 3 жыл бұрын
15:30 it would have been better if you distracted them by pushing so one of their teammates will go back and defend, leaving some of their allies outnumbered, this will make it easier for your teammates to get lord, if their non damage ally goes back to the base, you can go to the lord area and kill their dmg dealer, if the dmg dealer goes back to the base instead of the non damage dealer, then you can go back to the lord area and help your teammates
@gabbuchino7165
@gabbuchino7165 3 жыл бұрын
He will be annoying to deal with when using heroes who rely on CC : Guinn , meralco lady, and elsa droga. a fed hc can dominate early to mid but can easily be countered on late game (from my exp) Wish they buff his passive and first
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