Why is Loki so Controversial? | Analyzing Loki's Myths

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Further Reading
- Loki in Scandinavian Mythology - Anna Birgitta Rooth
- Loki and Sigyn - Lea Svendsen
- Norse Myths That Shape the Way We Think - Carolyne Larrington
- God in Flames, God in Fetters - Stephen Grundy
- Our Troth: Volume 2: Heathen Gods - Ben Waggoner (3rd Edition)
- Dictionary of Northern Mythology - Rudolf Simek
- Norse Mythology: A Guide to the Gods, Heroes, Rituals, and Beliefs - John Lindow
- Murder and Vengeance Among the Gods: Baldr in Scandinavian Mythology - John Lindow
- Myth and Religion of the North - EOG Turville-Petre
- American Heathens - Jennifer Snook
- The Pre-Christian Religions of the North: History and Structures - Jens Peter Schjødt, John Lindow, and Andrén Anders
- The Poetic Edda
- Edda - Snorri Sturluson
- History of the Danes - Saxo Grammaticus
- The Saga of King Hrolf Kraki
- Eyrbyggja Saga
- Gisli Sursson's Saga
- The Saga of the Confederates
- Njal's Saga
00:00 - Intro
00:21 - The Problem & Nature of Loki
04:00 - [The Positive Myths of Loki]
04:27 - The Blood Oath - Lokasenna
07:20 - Thor in a Wedding Dress - Þrymskviða
11:30 - Loki vs Logi - Gylfaginning
13:40 - Loki the Creator - Völuspá
17:55 - [The Negative Myths of Loki]
18:36 - Thor vs Geirrod - Skáldskaparmál, Þórsdrápa & Gesta Danorum
24:23 - Loki Hates Goats - Hymiskviða & Gylfaginning
26:16 - Baldr's Mistletoe Allergy - Baldrs draumar, Gylfaginning & Gesta Danorum
32:26 - Loki Talks Shit - Lokasenna
37:22 - Saxo's Bound Útgarða-Loki - Gesta Danorum
45:10 - Loki the Father of Monsters - Angrboða, Bera, and the Saga of King Rolf Kraki
49:00 - Ragnarok - Völuspá & Gylfaginning
54:12 - [The Grey Myths of Loki]
54:50 - Making Asgard Great Again - Gylfaginning
58:08 - You Otter Not Done That - Skáldskaparmál & Völsunga saga
01:01:25 - Sif's Bad Hair Day - Skáldskaparmál
01:04:51 - Curious Apples and Shifting Nuts - Skáldskaparmál
01:10:56 - The Character of Loki
01:18:07 - Lokeans & Modern Praxis

[@fairygothparent]

WAKE UP HEATHENS, OCEAN DROPPED A FEATURE FILM

[@shawndashno6022]

😂😂 I love your username!! 😂😂 That's fantastic! 👍

[@rosemaryfox7348]

And I am PUMPED to watch this!

[@Morhek]

Jormungandr rising from the deep to find the nearest laptop.

[@coryd951]

Doesn't post anything for awhile then hits us with a movie length documentary 😂

[@mikenuzzo3323]

Oh is it in a link is it on only one network ??

[@InThisEssayIWill...]

Loki is the patron deity of malicious compliance.

[@OceanKeltoi]

I was thinking this a little earlier today

[@Sumkneegrow]

I've been complying maliciously my whole life without knowing there's a term to describe it LMAO

[@tigerlily2941]

Hence the reason on keeping things low-key 😅 ok I will see myself out.

[@slarzyer]

forced to play a game he wants no part in?

[@Nerobyrne]

​@@slarzyer and still winning

[@head_in_the_clouds420]

My first thought when it comes to the interpretation of the Geirrod story is basically this. Loki: So, just checking. You want me to bring *checks notes* the Jotunslayer to your court, Mr. *checks notes* Jotun. Geirrod: Without the hammer or girdle. Loki: If you think that’ll matter.

[@OceanKeltoi]

great summary

[@joelbyrnes9710]

😂 that last line is great.

[@stayJucedUp]

Reminds me of some warhammer lore actually, when Conrad effectively disenchants Vulkans magic hammer believing he has defeated his brother, only for Vulkan to respond "You forget my brother, it's is still a hammer", proceeding to beat the shit out of him

[@celeri6497]

during the last chapter, when you were describing how Loki is always bound to His words, something occurred to me. He's a God of *bindings.* all kinds of bindings. oaths, literal chains, spiderwebs, the coils of a snake, the clutches of death, these themes are echoed in His children as much as in Him. Loki is consistently making oaths, following through, and ensuring that the domains of His children are never treaded upon (for example His offense at Baldr being unkillable)

[@celeri6497]

i think this is probably why He and Odin and Thor have such a strange relationship. He's necessary to have around.

[@blaizecramer6052]

This comment is so perfect

[@lokimidknight7319]

Yeah, I always saw Loki as a god of accountability, the consequences of one's actions, and punishment of Hubris, including his own, but the god of binding angle tracks pretty well too.

[@Sienisota]

If I remember correctly, the name Loki is similar to a word meaning knot or a loop. He also created the fishing net as well. Indeed, *god of bindings* works perfectly as a title. He is also a god of in between, a giant's son in Asgard, travelling easily between realms (Sleipnir) and having children who work in a realm of their own (Jörmungandr's ocean and Hel's Helheim). He is a connection between different aspects. God of connections?

[@celeri6497]

@@Sienisota Lord of the Knot and Net as a modern kenning has a nice ring!

[@dax9929]

The worship of Loki being so divisive is just so on brand for Loki

[@primaVERAxx]

Can hear him going all "ehehe" in che background fr

[@thehorrorfiend23]

Why is Loki so Spicy? Because I keep giving him too many hot cheetos and hot tamales

[@jenniferneustedt5093]

Loki loved candy and spicy shit

[@user-pv6te2no2d]

And red hots

[@JediMasterJinx]

You mention “scholars” and their opinions regarding these myths as if you aren’t one yourself, good Sir! You conduct, what seems to be, thorough academic research, you cite your sources, and you take all of this research and convert it into something digestible and enjoyable for everyone. Phenomenal work with everything you create! I cannot wait to see what other snapshots of history Ocean the Scholar can reveal!

[@milesfromnowhere1985]

I don't think it's hyperbole at all to count Ocean as one of the best heathen scholars, not only on KZbin, but in any medium. The majority of books being published on the subject have a fraction of the research and analysis Ocean puts into each of his subjects, with the exceptions being the books he cites, generally written by archaeologists, anthropologists, and others with relevant doctorates. Ocean is an unparalleled boon to modern heathens.

[@OceanKeltoi]

i cry, thanks so much yall😭

[@preacherofmusic]

Ocean is probably the one guy in all of this faith that I strive to match in terms of intelect.

[@kaiklose6172]

​@@OceanKeltoireplying to you here because its where youre most likely to see it. Take a look at the 14th century play Lokrur (part of a Rimir cycle) where Lodur and Lopt (cognate to German "Luft") are both used interchangeably to Loki. Its an expounded form of the Uthgarda loki myth and Mimirsbrunner did just publish a great translation. This play would only be around 100 years older than the Poetic Edda, and likley draws upon the exact same oral history.

[@ZeroGravityFuneral]

He most definitely isn't a scholar. He is a cult leader and you people are to stupid to see it

[@Kasenar]

To my mind, this puts Loki very much as a Solver of Problems. Regardless of whose fault may have caused issues plaguing the Gods, Loki goes out of his way to ensure that there is a solution that satisfies everyone involved. So much so, that the Gods look to him when problems arise.

[@keiler2330]

The whole Loki is “an enemy of the gods” thing is really strange to me given that we have an entire poem of Odin just blasting his son from across a river for some reason. And yet no one says that Thor and Odin can’t share an altar because they’re “enemies”. I just find the idea of Loki as the sole agent of discord amongst the gods to be a pretty disingenuous look at the texts.

[@OceanKeltoi]

"God of Chaos" applies to so many of the Gods

[@cultofthevoid5677]

Ironically it was through Lucifer that I met Loki with the two of them claiming to be aspects of one another. (Since both are referred to as the "bringer of light" in their respective pantheons and both the names deriving from the old Indo-European word "Leuk" which means "flash of light".) With that said though I was rather surprised to find out that Loki and Odin get along surprisingly well when I got more involved in my ancestral pantheon. I think Loki does have an adversarial aspect but I also think there is more to him than just being the "Norse Satan".

[@EyeSmiteThee]

So essentially “Loki” is ‘Yakub’ in Islam… the creator of the devil. Otherwise known as the Christian ‘Jacob’ that “wrestled with God” in the Old Testament.

[@KataPhoenyx]

I've always found Loki to be an awesome God. He takes responsibility, fixes his and the Gods' eff ups, and brings powerful gifts.

[@ZeroGravityFuneral]

lmfao

[@jackiealberti8731]

@@crushinnihilism I really believe this. It's no coincidence that so many people worldwide have attracted Loki's attention. He's building the resistance

[@frisbeegirl333]

Loki being Bugs Bunny is so accurate

[@mirandagoldstine8548]

Too true.

[@QueenYavanna]

My like was number 69. Something tells me Loki approves 😂

[@Nerobyrne]

Neeee What's up god?

[@inactiuveuser69]

i feel like it was even a meme on lokean tumblr for a little bit

[@WheatDos]

So who's Daffy Duck?

[@shamsquatch9980]

Loki basically being a lawyer is a surprise but it checks out.

[@WolfTheRed]

Finally! We can all agree that Loki is a God Of Fire! 🙌 🔥

[@mayanlogos92]

Ywah the Norse Agni ❤🔥

[@dysfunctionaldraught9524]

I think I've watched this at least 3 times now, and I don't know if I'll ever stop. To have all of these stories with the variations across different authors laid out and picked apart in one place is a massive boon to Lokeans and Loki arguments everywhere. You worked so hard on this for so long, and it shows. It's one of many gems on your channel, but it's probably my favorite thus far.

[@42fang]

The best and most thorough deconstruction of Loki in modern heathenry out there! Can’t wait for the sequel!

[@danilarsson8685]

Why he so spicy? Couldn't have anything to do with cinnamon-laced offerings, could it?

[@jackiealberti8731]

So much Fireball....

[@QueenYavanna]

@@jackiealberti8731SO much 😅

[@v.9964]

His need for Pear Cinnamon Red bull. 😮

[@thepotato9459]

This is loki a feature length film all Heathens and pagans should watch

[@keiler2330]

Thank you so much for this video! Honestly, most of the objections towards Loki and protestations against the worship of him and his children feels like so much special pleading. My familiarity with Loki comes mostly from positive folklore stories from my childhood where he is often the companion of Thor and Odin. It was wild to me to find out when I became Heathen that he’s such a controversial figure. I’m so glad that you point out the post-Christianization of these myths, and it’s surprising to me that more modern practitioners don’t take that into account when demonizing Loki. It just seems to obvious what’s occurring here. I know this video took a monumental amount of effort to make, but rest assured it is appreciated. Thanks again!

[@LearnRunes]

I think it's in Loki's nature to be controversial.

[@distressedflesh]

the most comprehensive and digestible one stop shop for all things Loki in the myths there is on the internet. mammoth effort. A+

[@MorganMalfoy13]

No mention of Loki as the giver of gifts? In reference to Loki being responsible for Baldr's not riding anymore, I had this hilarious image of Bugs Bunny Loki having a lost story where he tricks Baldr into vowing never to ride another horse, and so he spends the rest of his days inconvenienced because he has to walk everywhere.

[@OceanKeltoi]

Loki the gift-giver is definitely something to take away from the story about the creation of Mjolnir. Sometimes when I make these videos I feel like something is hinted at sufficiently, but this would have been a good thing to actively explore a little deeper. Unfortunately, there's a ton of little nuances about Loki that I wasn't able to include or dive deep enough into with this video. But I also think that I'll be making more Loki content.

[@beetlegob]

Loki was the first deity I opened a relationship with after leaving Christianity. He has provided so much for me. It's beautiful and heartwarming at least that you have put so much time and care into putting out the proper respect he deserves ❤

[@Raynor_N7]

In conclusion: While I don't personally consider myself a Lokean, I do give him space within my hearth cult, to enough of a degree that the kennings "Breaking Stone" and "Bane of Fools" have cropped up of their own volition. Both represent an aspect I consider often understated in discussions around Loki: specifically, his propensity to humble those who see themselves as above reproach or consequence, often in rather spectacular and poetic fashion. I think there's something to be said there about being mindful of our own hubris, while also having the confidence to stand against the grain or even actively subvert ill-deserved standing or misdeeds.

[@Mad_Alyx]

Ocean: *Casually drops a movie* I'm so glad you're back, I just love your content.

[@LeikurMamma]

The neutral stories of Loki really are my favorites. They illustrate the aspects of balance and honor, as well as the fallibility of the gods so well, whether we are talking about Loki themselves or any of the others. My most important lessons have arisen from those stories.

[@GodsnStuff]

The role as a potential creator of Midgard will always be one of my favorite associations with Loki. Also his devotion to his words. Beautiful video ocean! As a lokean I salute you, sir. 🫡

[@syddlinden8966]

I'm not a Heathen particularly, but have an interest in Norse mythology and practice on my Pagan learning - and recently have had Loki come into my practice (acting through syncretism with Mercury). And the warmth bringing him into my alter space has brought had been wonderful. I'm really excited to get such a long video from you on Loki and super bummed to hear the Heathen communities and gatherings would be pretty unwelcoming to my work with him.

[@OceanKeltoi]

It's an unfortunate aspect of Heathenry. Personally, I find that if an organization has a Loki ban, they likely have some other queerphobic beliefs. It's not a one to one, but it's certainly a strong trend. Something to look out for if you ever do start seeking out a Heathen gathering.

[@syddlinden8966]

Thanks for this addition. I really appreciate it.

[@inactiuveuser69]

its an experience i have that most communities ive tried to enter as a lokean have been largely unwelcoming. i take it as a red flag, and i work better on my own anyway. it would be nice to have a kindred, but i know if they cannot respect even the gods they dont like, they wont respect queer ol' me even if they claim they will.

[@Lycaon1765]

HELL YEAH!! THE LOKI EPISODE!! IT'S HERE!!

[@adamriedthaler]

One thing i love about this video is the character summary at the end. I struggle with truly understanding the petsonalities of the gods and this definitely helped my understanding of what Loki's character represents. The type of individual he was. And now I plan to add Loki to my practice

[@herkles5416]

One thing that got brought up that I think modern people might miss are the Trenchers in the Myth between Loki and Logi. While Trenchers evolved to the wooden one like Ocean showed, during the middle ages, Trenchers where made of bread. Rather hard and often stale bread I believe. Trenchers could be eaten since they were bread but IIRC often weren't. So a bit of cultural context. I remember reading before that Norway had men in the king's household staff in the medieval area called Trenchermen or trencher swain. Not sure how that changes the myth or not. but thought it is a neat cultural idea to bring up that probably would be known to the Skalds.

[@herkles5416]

While not a Heathen, the Loki blessing I like. It similar to some of the Blessings for Hermes that people have come up with that I have found.

[@jackiealberti8731]

Hail Loki! He literally saved my life

[@shawndashno6022]

Oh thank you so much Ocean!! I have been a lokean since I was very young. My father loved norse mythology, and because of my odd behavior, he called me Loki one day as I was being rather mischievous, I had no Idea who that was, so my Dad told me to do some research. That was the beginning of my love for the greatest God. Amazing tales and adventures. It's so amazing to see you do a full, 1 hour video, all on explaining Loki to everyone. Fantastic job Ocean, again, thank you so much!!

[@Shadowspark9945]

Grab the popcorn and hot tamales we got a movie on Loki 🎉🎉🎉

[@Raynor_N7]

A supplementary thought I'm having in listening to the telling of Thor's showdown with Geirrod's forces: if these particular Jötnar were conspiring against him, it seems that delivering them a monkey's paw situation in which they *believe* they could overpower Thor could even be construed as Loki acting as the *downfall* of the plot, while still preserving the integrity of the letter of his word. Slippery, but arguably still Good Guy Loki.

[@Paxtun]

🌶️🍪⬅️ spicy cookie for the algorithm .

[@beorwinesheathencorner6425]

Welp, this is a watch. Gonna have to put it up on the big screen.

[@austinburgess2405]

Finally!!!❤ Missed you so much Ocean

[@TenspeedGV]

Before today I would've had a tough time picking a favorite video of yours. As of today I now have one clear winner. Thank you so much for this, Ocean! It's great

[@MaximusofAthens]

Oh my God. You finally posted after teasing it in reddit ❤.

[@andrewsmith2670]

I awaken to a 1 hour+ video from ocean, thank the gods!

[@Floki_Fenrirson]

I want to make a huge thank you to you Ocean Keltoi for making this Loki Video. While I have said very many of the same, you did what at the time I could not, and provided ample evidence to support the arguments I have had. I have been fighting on my own for the last few years against the Lokean Hate, and I really appreciate you.

[@OceanKeltoi]

Now you have a video you can just lay on the table.

[@lokimidknight7319]

Yes,@@OceanKeltoi thank you soo much for this very handy arrow in my quiver for future debates.

[@OceanKeltoi]

@@lokimidknight7319 That's the reason why I made it!

[@ThatElfTorunn]

I'm a Lokean and have been since I was about 16. I always felt that Loki spoke to me more than the rest of the pantheon. It could be how spicy he is lol. I am only a few minutes into the video but I am so looking to sinking my teeth into this video. Thankings, Ocean. This they appreciates you. 😊 OMG Thank you! This video was perfect! Need to show it to everyone. ❤

[@OceanKeltoi]

I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

[@ThatElfTorunn]

​@@OceanKeltoi currently watching it again with the hubby. Hoping to convert from atheism by awesomeness lol. I kid, but honestly if any faith would fit my other half, it's being a Lokean heathen.

[@JM-qb2kd]

I can’t tell ya how much I look forward to watching whenever I see a new video up

[@joshwalter2307]

So stoked this video is out! Thanks, Ocean!

[@missnandor]

What a Yuletide blessing this video is! Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into it! I could never understand the aversion to Loki and how he's made out to be the bad one. The world needs a bit more Loki, I think.

[@KabukiJava]

you're such an amazing story teller I could listen to this all day, thank you ocean for another awesome video and for how much work you put in for this video.

[@benwaggoner3780]

I'm glad you found my work on behalf of the Troth useful. You certainly cited it in your Mystic South paper, as well as here. The Troth's own views have indeed undergone considerable evolution over the past twenty years that I've been affiliated with the organization, possibly not as swiftly as some would like, but that's just the nature of a large organization. Lauren Crow deserves much credit for leading the Troth through our latest policy changes, and I support her wholeheartedly.

[@Marceline_Belladonna]

This is honestly just as amazing as I hoped it would be. Cant wait to send it to everyone I know.

[@Jaelalan]

Can't wait to take as many notes as I can. Thanks Ocean for keeping up with the incredible work!

[@thegeneticgee]

Your video quality is always top-notch. I really appreciate your thorough scholarship AND obvious genuine love for the subject. Excited to watch this one!

[@ezra_rosco3]

once again ocean, an incredible video, keep this absolutely fantastic work up :)

[@Windikite]

I was just watching this with breakfast and assumed it'd be like 20-30 min, now I'm 45 min in??? Super excited for another long-form vid and for a subject that I really needed more help understanding, thanks! It's fantastic so far.

[@livetowin8100]

It may be an hour and 20 minute video but your content is always fascinating, well made, informative and entertaining and I always come away with a better understanding of Norse paganism, history and spirituality thank you for the content Ocean 🌊

[@deaconfrost2009]

Thanks for making such an informative deep-dive on Loki. The amount of work you put into this shows, and it's a fantastic piece of work.

[@ispeakelvish]

ocean! I’m only a third of the way through but I have to go ahead and leave a comment 😭 thank you so much for this video!! it’s not easy being Lokean out here, but I am so grateful to have scholars/leaders like you out here inspiring change in the community. btw, the division and controversy around Loki has always been so funny to me-even today, this dude is sowing chaos 😂 Edit: I have officially watched the full thing and will be watching a second time with my partner later this evening! This is such an incredible video, from beginning to end! I especially loved the portion at the end where you talked about the values of Lokeans-self-reflection and the righting of your wrongs are two of the most important values I carry as a Lokean, so you are SPOT ON! I will be recommending and spreading this video like wildfire!

[@milesfromnowhere1985]

As someone who has recognized Loki as a deity with their hand on aspects of my life as long as I've recognized Odin, I treasure this breakdown. While I've been hesitant to fully bring them into my praxis and hearth cult, I've been reconsidering that stance, and never felt hostile to the idea of doing so. A lot changed for me when i was able to stop lamenting certain ill fortune, and instead see Loki as possibly stirring the pot with a puckish smile, and see that things could turn around in a way that I didn't expect. It could be worth my while to open up the gifting cycle to them. Thank you, Ocean, for your hard work and dedication on this beast of a video. I'm glad to finally see it.

[@darklyripley6138]

You actually believe this stuff?

[@milesfromnowhere1985]

@@darklyripley6138 yes, and I don't believe you care about having a good faith discussion about it, given your flippant and antagonistic tone. Do you walk into churches and synagogues and shit on their beliefs? Or do you think pagans are just easier targets? Honestly, I'm not very interested in engaging with you further, because I don't know what you hope to achieve. Maybe someone else will waste more time on you.

[@felicityryan]

Appreciate the thorough breakdown and discussion. Can tell you put a lot of work into this and appreciate you putting all the work into this.

[@Pagansong]

This is great! Loki has always had a special place in my practice and heart. May he bring you laughter.

[@suburbanhermit7]

Thank you for this great video! Loki is such a fantastic figure in the lore, and having this deep dive into his story is wonderful. I believe this is one of those videos that is going to change some minds and alter the course of Heathenry in the future. Well done and congratulations. This is phenomenal.

[@lokimidknight7319]

The points that @ocean keltoi makes are not new, many of us Lokeans have had to become well versed apologists from our dealings with other heathens, but having a big chunk of the evidence here in one place, with citations, from a generally respected member of the community that I feel most would consider neutral in the matter, I do think could start to turn the tide and open up some hearts and minds.

[@anarkos8223]

This is such a well done, and well researched video! Something I can reference in conversations. Thank you for all this work!

[@runemyste]

Thank you, sincerely, for helping make what can be something so complex much easier to navigate for people of all knowledge levels.

[@TheGiant42]

Gods damned, so many wonderful puns and even more great information!!! Loving this video and adding some books to my reading list!!! Thanks a million for the details Ocean!!

[@enso8379]

Celtic pagan here. I love hearing these videos. Glad to see you are still making them, they mean a lot to me and my practice even if we worship different gods.

[@nicolasnamed]

I'm excited to see this video, and to see fellow followers of Loki! I did work with dragons before Loki, but Loki was the first (for lack of a better way to describe) more humanity-adjacent deity I could connect to. I was very skeptical and wary of many things, but Loki was rather understanding of that and kept trying to reach me and connect with me through it. Thank you Loki, for being in my life ❤

[@catoakes1470]

Time well spent watching!

[@swagenheim3rr]

this video is the best holiday gift ever, thank you ocean!

[@oceanman1687]

Great work yet again Ocean. You Njördr seas to amaze me with the quality and depth of your work.

[@Nick-pt2px]

This was awesome! The longer video was great, feel free to make em longer, they don't have to be so short haha!

[@LokisFanGrl]

By far my favorite video that you've created so far! Well done!

[@thewayfaringshadow]

Thank you for this wonderful dive into Loki!

[@Kaycee_Ninnie]

I AM SO HYPE FOR THIS. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@lilydrannen4489]

Absolutely love this video. I would not be opposed to more longer videos like this 👀

[@drschonify]

While not a Lokean myself, I think this video has helped me gain more of an appreciation.

[@TaurusSystem]

Leaving my mark here. Thank you for this expanded detailed discussion of Loki and their place among the gods. I appreciate the time and research! 🥰

[@TaurusSystem]

1:19:09 Oddly enough I live by that, taking personal responsibility is a hard line to live by one that is both honorable and for some conflictive. This one of the many reasons I include Loki in my hearth gods and my altar, because they are an active part of my life by lessons that they faced and by their general comedic way of handling conflicting situations.

[@christianquiner8977]

Dude! Love this video, thank you for putting in so much work to talk about such interesting historical/spiritual subjects :)

[@keaganwheeler-mccann8565]

Thank you for this video. The idea that Loki may have had something to do with the creation of humanity is fascinating.

[@littlestdread2504]

So much time and research went into this, thank you ocean for all the work you did!

[@mouyrawolf1013]

This is my second time coming back to this video so far. I can definitely tell it is going to be in my top favorites. Thank you for giving such an amazing summary to the first god I've ever felt a connection to ❤ Hail Loki!

[@lokimidknight7319]

Hail Loki!

[@rdubble]

Thank you for spending so much time compiling all the research and information. Your work is appreciated and gives us all more to think, read and explore more for ourselves.

[@archivistelly]

Great video! Your pacing and delivery style are always very engaging and the video just flies by. I would love to see more long "lit review" style videos like this.

[@LeikurMamma]

Second comment for Loki. (Hail Loki!) Thank you for the work you've put into this, Ocean. Not only is it truly well researched and thought out, I also feel the humor is very befitting of Loki.

[@kaigottwald2195]

Thank you for this vid, and sharing Loki's blessing. So kind.

[@ErichNBou-ni9qx]

80 minutes? Hell yeeesss! Thank you for this early yule present Ocean :')

[@thegeneticgee]

Loki's commitment to the literal words that he and others have promised reminds me a lot of the Irish Sidhe (fairies, the good neighbors, etc). If you say you're going to do something for or with them, they will hold you to your literal word, and they do likewise. That's why most folks that I'm aware of who work with the Sidhe will tell others to avoid it if possible. 😁

[@LokisFanGrl]

I thought the same thing also because of how Loki creatively crafts the oaths to his benefit. The Sidhe are master negotiators and it's commonly known that humans better be very specific in any agreements they make with the good neighbors. I think it takes a ton of intelligence and creativity to create an ironclad oath with loopholes.

[@thegeneticgee]

@@LokisFanGrl I so agree!

[@kamishin7135]

Did not expect an ocean keltoi video today, but I like these suprises

[@johnsteiner3417]

*Loki strolls back into Asgard with an eight-legged foal in tow* Thor, "Loki, what the f*** is that!?" Loki, "That's my boy, Sleipnir." Thor, "You're... his dad?" Loki, "His mother." Freya pops out from a corner, "I told y'all about him."

[@jameskosusnik1102]

"Outer world Loki" brings to my mind some kind of lovecraftian version of Loki. LOL

[@OceanKeltoi]

Loki, but a character from From Beyond

[@jameskosusnik1102]

@@OceanKeltoi I enjoyed the video very much, just finished it. I really needed that message to be myself unapologetically. Thank you Ocean Keltoi, you've really helped me on my journey.

[@oldfouldude5062]

This is a great video, thank you for all the effort and research that went into making it.

[@shamsquatch9980]

I remember my first time encountering Loki's image in Age of Mythology, where he's drawn very evil looking, especially compared to the 8 other Norse, Greek and Egyptian gods. I'm really glad that the modern age is finally resuscitating his image and showing that he's so much more than "Norse Satan".

[@OceanKeltoi]

I REMEMBER THIS! I saw that image when I was younger and thought, damn he must be evil.

[@Kasenar]

Incredible as always. I would love to see the 2 hour "director's cut" some day!

[@wesleybarrett9502]

This video my spouse needs to watch. The best label if any for my spouse is simply an Ecletic Lokean. Mainly due to them (I would view Loki in modern context as He/Them) being a God of changes and transfiguration, and a God of protecting orphans and embracing chosen family. A more controversial but not unfounded view. The oath as one. Again as a somewhat outsider I do not have much personal gnostic experiences of him other than as a trickster but finder of lost things. I am glad you shown more light on Loki for me and my spouse and I can share more knowledge of their faith.

[@TimelessTransience]

I haven't watched yet, I only just saw this, but noticing the length of this: please enjoy a pleasurable break. You deserve one after all you must've put into this!

[@drokangel]

Skål, this was fantastic. Thank you for doing the legwork and putting into words how I have felt for years. It’s important to own what you do, correct it if necessary, and make it right.

[@madamrockford2508]

I can not begin to express my thanks for this video. Having been told by my daughter that Loki wanted to communicate with me via a penduleum made me nervous. When I did, using a penduleum he approved of on a temp basis, I didn't know what to think or if I should trust him. You have shown me that I can trust him. It seems that Loki is my Patron Deity, & wants to help me heal spiritually. I do not no more than this aspect yet, but I intend to find out. I've been dubious to contact him again. BUT as you have shown me, I have no reason to fear him, & I know he will not lie to me. AGAIN I THANK YOU! 😀👍

[@darklyripley6138]

Do you actually have evidence for any of the ridiculous stuff you believe?

[@LoksoulSkadison]

Continuing to do the most important work in modern heathenry. Absolutely amazing content. Well researched, crisp editing, and excellent points to combat the Nokean bullshit that still runs rampant. As always, thank you for doing what you do. A lot of us wouldn’t be where we are without you.

[@caitlin0103]

This is amazing! Thank you for putting all this info together

[@foxlycan]

As a follower of Fenrir I have to say, you really nailed it with why I was drawn to Fenrir. Also, he is just the goodest boy and I refuse to hear otherwise.

[@darklyripley6138]

So you actually believe this stuff? As in a literal belief.

[@foxlycan]

Yes, why do you ask?@@darklyripley6138

[@milesfromnowhere1985]

@@darklyripley6138 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you're referring to belief in the gods, most of this comment section would say yes. If you're referring to mythical literalism, i.e., the gods literally did what is written about them in the myths, most of us would say no. That's more often a hallmark of Christianity, taking the Bible as an infallible historical account. The gods are with us, but their myths give us an idea of their character rather than their literal actions.

[@darklyripley6138]

@@milesfromnowhere1985 So you view these gods as fictional characters and/or archetypes? They’re obviously not real. So if you view them as just archetypes to learn from and identify with, what separates Loki from the hair and tortoise? You can learn and identify with both. So why do you buy into the former?

[@milesfromnowhere1985]

@@darklyripley6138 I believe they are real gods who have fictional stories told about them and passed down to us. What do you mean they "obviously" aren't real? My experience, and the experiences of many here, have led me to believe in the gods. If you're curious about polytheistic belief, Ocean has many videos outlining how and why someone would believe in the gods, including debates with both Christians and atheists. I can post some links to them if you like, but they're easy to find on this channel.

[@Owl_SeeYouLater]

Incredible breakdown of the mythos and potential influences!

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

Back-to-back bangers from Wolf AND Ocean, featuring father and son, within 24 hours?! The gods have truly blessed us. 🙌