Why Is MOBILE LEGENDS Being Sued Again? | League of Legends

[@NicolaiLol]

By the way, it's not mentioned in the video but I actually think Mobile Legends is a fine game. There's a reason why so many people prefer it over others. Let me know though, do you play mobile games like Mobile Legends or Wild Rift? 🤔

[@Sakuwu__VT]

Mobile Legends is a nice game. The community is just not good. I like both games but spent more time on Mobile Legends

[@TheSeparhim]

I cannot play on mobile screens at all so I do not like any mobile MOBA.

[@its_seraph]

Nah mobile legends is turbo-cringe. they dont even try to make the game different by any way shape or form

[@ahriboy]

@@Sakuwu__VT MLBB eSports is not professional. It's purely entertainment for two countries dominated by MLBB. People begging for skins were rampant among streamers.

[@novaxcivsimp9967]

@raynaldo arlen k.eman Riot starting doing the same recently with Gacha and exclusive skins

[@QxTYoko]

The main problem is that Riot had a chance to make Wild Rift a lot earlier when people actually demanded it. Riot didnt follow up on it so others took the rein and went wild.

[@AliHassan-mk6jp]

fr, the one good thing about the copycats though is it made them create wild rift to compete with them xD

[@NicolaiLol]

That's unfortunately exactly what happened. And the story goes that Tencent pressured them to make a mobile version many years ago but Riot didn't want to until they were ready. Now it is what it is.

[@dizzyheads]

@@NicolaiLol At least we get nice champion models which could be used in League PC

[@friedchicken8440]

Riot doesn't listen to its fans after all

[@ExodiaYu]

@@NicolaiLol Although that was a big part of the problem, I also think that Riot was in the right by saying it needs time since you can't really expect quality material to be just rushed, bad luck, shit happens, Mobile Legends copied Riot and that's something that actually happens a lot, however, I think the judge who dismissed riot's lawsuit is the one on big fault, either that, or some hideous sh*t must be going on there... Anyways, great video Nicolai, just as always! :)

[@hawk8898]

The fact that Moonton got away with blatantly copying League just goes to show how little intellectual property rights matter. I hope that will change someday.

[@DanteLovesPizza]

Why would it change? This is raking in millions just in tax for the commies, why would they suddenly cut that off? You think Dog Xi-t is thinking, "damn, that's too much money, better stop my company number 2, ByteDance, from copying my company number 1, Tencent?" I mean, do you stab your left hand with your right hand because you're thinking you have too many fingers?

[@trilamhuu46]

Plagiarism is something that will never be beaten out of our nature. It's what drives us to all to aim for perfection

[@DMLoosey]

@trilamhuu46 It's one thing to have inspiration, it's another thing to copy and paste. There are spiritual successors to cult classic video games, then there is blatant, unimaginative, and slimy copying something and claiming that something as your own.

[@MiniKodjo]

as looong as yours are a Chinese or Russian company it's fine yes

[@albrechtryan7799]

@@trilamhuu46 to be perfect you need innovation not copying

[@iqnore1446]

Wild rift was just too late, MLBB had already established itself as THE mobile Moba game. In countries mainly in southeast Asia this game is everywhere youd go, heck I remember letting some friends play smash bros (they have never heard of it) and when they saw the characters they were describing them to characters from MLBB. It really goes to show the loyalty of these players and how well established it already it despite the blatant copying.

[@VonAndrade]

I think it is fine, what matters is the quality of the game and we can already play it. Finally a decent moba is released for mobile and that is WR hands down. ML is more popular in PH and Indo but WR has the better quality considering that it is new.

[@garciasth217]

It's never to late at all the fact that recently WR just announced another exclusive WR skins & become top trending on Twitter again it's just show you peeps are actually care about WR

[@lokanantazain]

@@garciasth217 WR wont be as popular as LoL unfortunately

[@Difracil]

@@VonAndrade game is for entertainment not for quality. Even if youve got great quality if its not entertaining enough it will still lose

[@alsparkproductions7849]

@@VonAndrade the "having to go back to base to buy items" is a huge deal breaker to me who enjoy more fast paced combat.

[@frog4287]

Here in the Philippines, playing pc games were usually played in comp shops because having a pc is expensive as shit. And it was highly inconvenient not only to the people gaming but also to the other people in the computer shop waiting their turn. When Mobile Legends was introduced, it was definitely a lot easier, and less expensive for people. Not to mention it was user friendly, or atleast it was for me. I've played both, and honestly, ML is less intimidating than League. And I was so confused with League that I just did not want to play cause it was too complicated (I was a beginner ,and a kid who just wanted to play with friends, I was not looking for advanced nerd shit plus I'm not allowed out of the house for a long time). When I got ML, it gave me the chance to easily play with friends without having to worry about time and expenses. Even until now, majority of my friends still play ML, even if Wild Rift is there. Ml is just more faster, less space, and more friendly. A single game in League usually takes around an hour from what I've seen, and ML can be done in less than 30 if you're lucky. But if you get over 30 in ML, to me, it's usually because both sides are very good and are unwilling to end fast because they enjoy fucking it up with their opponent lol. Probs the same with League but I usually watch ML Esports/Content Creators. The only difference for me is the mechanics. Both are equally fun, and both are equally a good game to play with friends. But League is definitely harder than Ml, it's more advanced.

[@shinx123]

Can relate

[@zenonking2840]

Yea I stay getting matched up with Filipino players

[@9thharbingerofthefatui]

This is basically all of the reasons why I prefer ML to WR. Me and my aunt (yes, my aunt is my duo in ml) tried out WR when it first released, and we both didn’t like the experience so we just played ML instead, and to this day, we still play ML so yeah?

[@SoloTheCashier]

​@@9thharbingerofthefatuinot to mention that people you wouldn't expect playing a MOBA game are now playing it because of Mobile Legends. I am playing with my Mom sometimes when she actually restrained me for playing DotA years ago.

[@roarieorange6492]

I born play ml never play league of legends soo i agreed with this

[@meru8348]

Winning the first lawsuit gives Riot an upper hand in this one, and Moonton going back and changing their characters designs just makes them look worse.

[@KSV_]

You're naive to think this arguments have power against China... I'm just waiting for ww3 and shut them for good, just like Japan almost accomplished.

[@TheLovedUnbound]

Doesn't matter, they don't care about copyright over there. The court of public opinion means nothing.

[@mozzarellamaniac6300]

They just edit some similar style away from the hero's splash and call it a day. They don't even bother to change it overall they just erase something from there and then that's it. Believe me I play that game

[@이마크-r8e]

This is what said to other people as well. "They already changed it" I'm like no, it actually makes them look worse since they're admitting that Riot's case is an actual threat to them. But they can't do anything about it since Riot already sent evidences, so changing anything now won't help them.

[@novaxcivsimp9967]

@@이마크-r8e and the small changes are Just stuff that are often used on other games

[@knighthand]

Riot has let Mobile Legend to grow too big and i doubt they could shut them down at this point. It's not just a game anymore, this has become an industry and a lot of people earn their living from this game in all aspects

[@connordrake5713]

They can still flip things up and get all the ace card again if they will make Wild Rift much more easier and newcomer friendly like MLBB. I downloaded WR last year and I honestly don't understand anything on it. 😂 I ended up going back to MLBB because I don't play any computer games and I don't even know LOL games before.

[@connordrake5713]

I don't know what happened on WR now but if they can attract a lot of my friends on playing it maybe I can redownload it again.

[@hubutnotsotao5362]

@@connordrake5713 Doesn't look good for Wild Rift, the team behind doesn't seem to be what it needs right now.

[@untitledmisou]

Fair enough, honestly I think it's a waste of time. Riot already dominantes the PC gaming area with Val and League alone. Mobile Legends is just a league rip off that started before wild rift, but essentially a copy paste of the same game.

[@papayah47d0g9]

@@connordrake5713 lol me downloading WR thinking I could learn a few stuff in just a few days of playing... dead wrong

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

Fun fact: Neither Tencent nor Riot ever actually won a copyright case vs Moonton. The US case was dismissed. The Chinese case won was not about copyright & also not against Moonton. Tencent sued their ex-employee (the moonton ceo) for breach of contract (a non-compete I believe?) & won the 2.9 mil. Moonton the company is a different entity which was not involved. If they actually had a copyright win in china, I don't think the case would've been dismissed, since riot could say "Yeah, we went to china & we won"

[@LeBornMajes]

Give me reasons why Moonton canceled the latest project next since you know about all of this, this should be easily answered based on your comment

[@nushia7192]

​@@LeBornMajes Because even if it is a good idea, people will still sue them for blatant copying even if its not. Also, it will just make the game much less appealing. Also because they listen to their audience, unlike wildrift.

[@LeBornMajes]

@@nushia7192 Audience? It's literally the majority that wanted that change, why would they remove a long-worked content just for nothing huh?

[@caspyyyy]

@@LeBornMajes Nope, its the players from advanced server who wanted that change. But it was too complicated for players from the original server so they stick with the emblem system.

[@LeBornMajes]

@@caspyyyy I already said "the majority wanted that change" that includes the players from adv and orig

[@allizay007]

I’ve played both and I think both of these games are amazing. My moba experience started with mobile legends but ive learned alot of micro and macro from league that helped me in both games.

[@cupcake_maker]

Same

[@Justice_Dignity]

The only thing that make me play ML is because a lot of people plays it. Other than that? Everything svck and low grade compared to LOL. Even the feeling you get from the storyline in LOL is completely different world compared to ML. I still play LOL

[@ScribbleCats]

@@Justice_Dignity who cares about you play or not lmao

[@jellycustardcat7438]

I think one of the biggest things why MLBB's player base didn't budge when WR was released is that wr needs a good phone and a big system to run properly. I used to play MLBB before wild rift and there's a really big difference when it comes to space required for the game to play smoothly, here in the Philippines there's a lot more people that play on phones rather than consoles and gaming set ups that also means not everyone has a good phone to run the Wild rift (due to the pandemic too since a lot of people lost their jobs)

[@thehowlingvoid2480]

Awww

[@jellycustardcat7438]

Additional info: people here just really prefer mobile gaming because consoles and set ups are literally so expensive 💀

[@thehowlingvoid2480]

@@jellycustardcat7438 Thank you, that explains a lot 🙂

[@WildRiftGameplayandTutorial]

I agree. Me as a League enthusiast blatantly upgrade my phone to a mid range with high end specifications just to play this game. I'm not saying that playing League Wild Rift will be expensive but a lot of Filipino can't afford to upgrade their phones just to have fun when they can literally have fun with the copycat. Still, I'm not regretting that I bought a new phone and got to play flawlessly with Wild Rift but its pretty unfortunate that it will take time before my friends got to have theirs and join my league.

[@jellycustardcat7438]

@@WildRiftGameplayandTutorial exactly dude, like they aren't going to upgrade their phones just to play wild rift if they can play another game that does the exact premise (Moba premise). Even if we say that wild rift is more worth it when it comes to champions, skins, experience, community and overall performance people aren't going to play if they literally can't.

[@rmsdimples8533]

Despite being a mlbb player i always supported riot against moonton, but riot using meme comments to file a complaint just makes the situation hilarious💀

[@nudiselayar5821]

😂

[@multistanhyungs1359]

Tas yung isang galing pa sa pinoy HAHAHAHAHHAHA

[@PoorEdward]

What kind of loser plays mlbb

[@bakugou8120]

Any text can be used as evidence in court. Meme or not doesn't matter

[@aliciapunsalan561]

Not a meme it's a evidence

[@PulsefireAhri]

As someone who played league for 12 seasons, based on how greedy riot was with last years and the amount of "we don't care" from customer support it feels good

[@antonioreconquistador]

I played ml on a whim and wild rift after maybe half a decade of anticipation. As a 12 year vet, as blatant as a copy ml was and was meant to be, riot did something even worse by integrating ml's worst original ideas, ranging from the concepts in yuumi and renata to shattle-pass "events" and poorly random loot. Somehow rank-matching is slightly more even on the chinese knockoff of a sold-out game- whose client and code braves millions of shitty phones every day. Theres no way ml hurts their bottom line any more than they have.

[@larryperlas7616]

Correct!

[@kitsunefox1274]

The fact that Angela is a combination of yumii and oriana

[@larryperlas7616]

@@kitsunefox1274 yet she is cuter than both! LOL has a roster of ugly females and each year they keep churning out these lesbian looking characters that is more butch than the entire cast of BTS

[@jadehartlee1539]

@@kitsunefox1274 angela came first than yummi if you don't know

[@bluer1ice198]

I am completely happy with the outcome seeing as if riot had actually cared about there idea being stolen they wouldn’t just be sueing moonton Ik at least 8 games with same format and characters but I don’t see them getting sued I think the reason is mostly to stay at the top of the competition

[@blood_rose_queen]

"Help me state, I can't win the competition against them byu marketing alone 😢😢😢😢

[@jester6802]

Riot is just late to the mobile moba game world that’s it. When I showed my sister wild rift (an avid mobile legends player) she understood that bang bang is blatant copy but it’s hard to move games since the game already rooted in her live, she spends so much money for “cool” skin, all her friends were still actively playing it and they all loved the localization of some of the “hero” + the meme community is so active and localized on each countries. Rito must try a new way 👀

[@Ayasa.]

I observed the same thing with a few people, they invested time and money on mlbb so they won't quit and start playing wild rift

[@mrzest6356]

To say it's a time gap, wr came out like 4 yrs after ML(b4 its rebrand into MLBB) so it's quite a huge gap. If a yr, maybe it's ok but 4 yrs? Yup Riot didnt plan this well

[@twitzmixx8374]

Yep I agree to this. Riot entered far late.

[@corporaldoge815]

:v rito can't doto in pc(Tournament International) and this rito to ML(Already established)

[@mrzest6356]

@@corporaldoge815 Hmm..Riot alredi beat Dota2 in terms of popularity in pc, sure tournaments not really but in terms of player count, still LoL beats Dota2. Only in mobile Riot's been beaten by Moonton's ML

[@tainadeoliveira]

I honestly have the impression riot did not put enough effort into promoting Wild Rift. Mobile Legends has been in the market for much longer as "lol mobile", if riot wanted to overthrow them they should have promoted the game harder. I feel they relied way too much on Arcane and when the hype ended everyone forgot WR. They didn't even promote the game in LoL - where thousands of players (especially new ones) have technical difficulties with their pcs. Also canceling Esports everywhere but asia is very concerning, especially because in South america there is a largely passionate playerbase. I go to twitch and more than half the streamers are latin/brazillian (and I usually look for english content) And as a south american who had issues with bad pcs and who has friends with the same issues I can atest WR is a great alternative for many people who can't play LoL on PC and they would probably like it. Issue is, nobody ever hears about it unless they are already part of the League community.

[@Strix2031]

I think Wild Rift was assumed to just beat Mobile Legends because "Technically" mobile legends is much worse,balance is non-existant and the monetization is so scummy it would make EA blush. But the thing is that Mobile Legends is fun,when i lose i usually dont feel frustrated towards my team or like it was my fault,just that it was unfortunate and imma go next.

[@lobstersonskateboards3988]

It is very interesting that they've done little-to-no advertising in areas in Latin America, maybe it's under the assumption that if they can't afford a good PC they can't sink money into their properties? Which sucks hardcore, of course, but I guess it's understandable. A lot of the Latin American fanbase (save for streamers) usually play for free or little money, at least from what my boyfriend has told me. Advertising and keeping the e-sports sect could've been considered too high of a risk, despite the fact it's so active in the community otherwise.

[@BoneWalker]

My pc runs league better than my phone runs wild rift, cause at least my pc doesn't try to ignite from loading up the app.

[@Matt_W8]

I played League from S3 to S7 and just discovered Wild Rift 3 weeks ago. They did a very poor job in marketing the game.

[@polkatheallknowingofunknow9299]

@@Strix2031 in simple words overhyped for nothing and the ones that side they either switches sides or dissapeared complety from the game or community

[@nacht9586]

It doesn't help that Wild Rift was steadily declining by the time 2022 rolled up. The lawsuit seemed like a desperate last struggle to bring Wild Rift to the forefront. WR just lacked enough effort in advertising and supporting their content creators from the smallest to the biggest which gave ML not only an edge because they got in the market first, but also built a tight bond of loyalty with the community and creators. Might be going on a tangent here, but ML goes out of their way to help small content creators host giveaways and advertise them in game to grow their channels and send them gifts at least thrice a year didn't matter if they were small. It's sad to see a billion-dollar company lacked the effort to retain the playerbase.

[@nushia7192]

Like a desperate move? Because it kind of is.

[@Meow_Meow_Hurts_Real_Bad]

Looking at the article, this was since May of 2022....and the court snubbed the case already, but eh, Riot can get stubborn at times (they plan on appealing it again anyways...). Also, yes, this is EXACTLY a DESPERATE move from Riot, it's that obvious, also. With the recent case/s where Moonton is ACTUALLY the one winning (Tencent sued Moonton for marketing related shit or sumthn, but Moonton ended up winning anyway), cannot say much, but I guess not all the blame should go to Moonton, considering Tencent also sabotaged Moonton on its early stages (which lead to that Ex Employee lawsuit).

[@Archaoen0]

When you actually take a look on some of the things that Riot Games claimed Moonton to copy, a lot of it is just nitpicking as a way to make the lawsuit filed bigger rather than giving the court a 5 page rant, like when it comes to summer skins ( as if no game ever has some kind of summer skin events ), and when it comes to Guinevere, it's a different skin them altogether, as Ahri's is about Kpop band theme, and Moonton is futuristic cyberfox, so Naruto might as well sue Riot games 😂😂😂 It's just funny seeing the Riot and Moonton dilemma unfold.

[@justdont2378]

@@Archaoen0 Yeah if they kept it straightforward to the ones that really are blatant copies instead of just nitpicking stuff like those summer skins then the lawsuit might've actually had some weight to it

[@Chrono_topher]

@@Archaoen0Especially the Summer Skins like……Riot is this really necessary? I mean I get the other things, but the summer one 😬😬

[@LeonRedfields]

how can they sue a game for copying when LoL is literally based off a custom game from another game owned by a different company

[@pratyusrout675]

Totally right bro

[@Puz_zler]

The co creator of dota is also the creator of lol. While lol has nothing to do with mlbb. Just straight up copied everything

[@LeviAckerman-iz1ij]

The biggest mistake of Riot is that they don't take advantage of getting a league of legends mobile around 2015 before mobile legends in 2016, and the COVID19 came, where most of the people are into mobile games and mobile legends consistently increasing in popularity

[@payk4593]

Unfortunate timing indeed

[@polkatheallknowingofunknow9299]

Lol why blame tencentwhen It's actually Riot they refused for a mobile version and blackmailed them if HoK was coming out on global so they had no win because of them.

[@mrzest6356]

Well the time gap went even further if u look at pre-covid since it's literally a power vacuum. Like it took too long for riot to start going into mobile with the while need to setup infrastructure & all

[@nushia7192]

They already made AOV and some other mobile mobas before making honor of kings, that was released inside China earlier than the release of wildrift. Ahem, they didn't?

[@mrzest6356]

@@nushia7192 Hmm...actually it's the other way around. U see HoK was one of the 1st Tencent produced, they decided to rebrand it to AoV for the global release after HoK's success. Dat one's a bit tricky, AoV is basically a "globalized" ver of HoK and ofc Riot took issue with Tencent over how HoK/AoV(forgot which one) was similar to LoL(like old LoL)

[@Riryz]

To be honest, I think how these lawsuits are handled is just plain stupid. Yeah 2.9mil is A LOT of money... for a normal person/small company. But as mentioned, its merely a drop in the bucket from what they already made from stealing it in the first place. There should be something in place to properly deal with thing like this. Even if they were hit with a 500mil fine, that would not have been a problem for them, since now they can pretty much do it blatantly without fearing being fined again.

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

They didn't win against Moonton for copyright. Tencent sued it's ex-employee for breach of contract & won 2.9 mil in compensation. That employee just happened to be the Founding CEO of Moonton so the articles reported it as Moonton lost. But a company & it's ceo are seperate legal entities.

[@Riryz]

@@_KnightOfRounds_ Good to know, thanks!

[@spider-man5544]

People handling these lawsuits never take research they have a mindset they are richer than these companies especially the companies involved around games

[@benfrank9622]

@@_KnightOfRounds_ Riot might have just dirtied its reputation when the articles said "Moonton" instead of "Ex-employee".

[@AyosheeshkoboYoesoes]

Yeah not to mention ml has collabs making that amount pointless.

[@Frost-653]

Problem is, Riot didnt make a mobile game, Moontoon did and they did copy back then, then they changed the whole concept. It was the only PVP game ever existed during that time..and it has the same quality as LoL...when Wild Rift was released, i find it unstable, especially server wise

[@shambalaua3968]

Why ml has lot of player is because of it is beginner friendly. No wards to worry about, no fog, etc. Unlike wild rift where its just too mechanical for majority of players to enjoy. It tried it but its definitely only lol players will enjoy. It also helped that in early years, a ml game can be done in average of 10 mins. Suited as a mobile game. So i dont think releasing wild rift early will change the trajectory of ml being popular

[@misafee3994]

yep.. dl'ed wild rift. saw the fog.. uninstalled it immediately 🤣

[@elamine9094]

Also the animation of ml is more focus than wildrift . Like dealing damage for me in ml feels more satisfying but in wild rift, it does feel like im doing any good damage.

[@shimizaorasuu1109]

@@elamine9094 I bet you never tried any moba games in PC

[@elamine9094]

@@shimizaorasuu1109 i have played Dota on pc. But i just got used to ml now that when i tried out wildrift it just aint satisfying.

[@lvsodium2451]

also, mobile legend for player who like fast pace game

[@roveencarlo]

It all boils down to game mechanics why MLBB gained so much popularity especially in SEA region. Players who never had any experience with MOBA find MLBB easier to play compared to WR

[@rellianthebonemeowster3450]

It has a lot to do with this and I don't think enough people put respect on how dumbing your game down to the point of brainlessness makes mobile games so successful. This is going to sound derogatory and, to a degree it is meant to be, but the people who picked up MLBB are the Candy-Crush-on-the-toilet gamers and you can see it the moment anyone who has ever played *any* MOBA on PC logs in and dominates every match until they hit GM where the people who know how to abuse the broken mechanics of MLBB kick in and stonewall them. No Fog of War, no backing for items, you have inbuilt functionality for lane sustain and there's an easy wincon in whatever the Baron Nashor thing is called again. MLBB spoonfeeds you everything you need to win a match from the very start of the match, whereas Wild Rift is *still* LoL, even if it's only Diet LoL. Matchups matter, you don't just auto win if you all-in before the enemy all-ins you first, you have to give thought to jungling because you don't auto clear camps with 0 effort and, again, if you just all in as a jungler, you can't really lose in MLBB. Wild Rift is MLBB for adults, even if it's still dumbed way down. But there are other things to consider, too. You can buy power in MLBB. Skins give stats that let you win level 1 engagements and you can buy materials to upgrade MLBB's clone of Rune Pages. MLBB is so successful because, unlike Wild Rift that intends to emulate a proper MOBA, MLBB is just there to hook whales and make bank.

[@ommpwall6404]

@@rellianthebonemeowster3450 bro took it so personal over a mobile game

[@Igotaglockinmyrari17shotnot38]

@@ommpwall6404 nah it a call professional life waster moment

[@Nomate31]

​@@rellianthebonemeowster3450 bro, the skin atribut don't do that much, it literally just give you like a small buff.

[@lomortopy]

​@@rellianthebonemeowster3450 And thats the reason why most people who started on mlbb, dont play wr since its " mlbb for adults". I mean anyone wants an easy and simple understanding of a game.

[@fromis_96]

Another reason why WR has saw a decline in usage, is because of the mechanics, MLBB is a moba game that let you just buy items out of the blue and actually stays clear on what role you are (ex: When you're jungler just jungle or when you take out the turtle all will benefit) Unlike with WR you have to understand the mechanics deeply. To be short MLBB is user friendly while WR is not

[@larryperlas7616]

Yes, even my grandma plays ML, she understands it, very friendly for new users, she absolutely adores playing as Eudora, now we found a new way to bond after dinner!

[@ibangeverything902]

@@larryperlas7616 it literally needs no skills to use, you just press the buttons

[@extr3me996]

For short ml for kids while wr for adults

[@larryperlas7616]

@@ibangeverything902 Try using Fanny just by "mashing buttons" and tell me successful you are. Just goes to show u do not play MLBB just reacting like a moron.

[@evan8840]

I hate to admit it but it is true that wr players is not that friendly and they said that wr is toxic free like duh in every match i haven't encountered a non-toxic player even though u're doing better than them they are just all talk

[@Nerdvpnpro]

Thing is, mobile legends is unfortunately just so much better than wild rift, hell id rather play mlbb than wild rift.

[@Walnut-1]

When you realise there is an mlbb copy named "clash of titans" and many more

[@hmomomohehehaha7920]

Its not you just have a skill issue because its only 3 abilities that game sucks

[@azrieldalusong5042]

Honestly I prefer wild rift because you really need to work together to win. The problem is you need a strong internet connection and big ass storage. Plus the event in wild rift is so bland.

[@Nerdvpnpro]

@@azrieldalusong5042 the matchmaking in mlbb sucks so bad, you win 2 games then lose 4 games. But overall It's just better, it listens to it's community, it adapts to the fact that not all people have hundreds of gb storage to download games like LoL. Also incredibly user friendly, with most heroes being relatively easy to play and only having a couple heroes that are actually hard.

[@azrieldalusong5042]

@@Nerdvpnpro I agree. Maybe it's just me. I do prefer games that gives me challenge.

[@IsoyaYasuji]

On behalf of the mlbb playerbase, this was quite unfortunate to see, mlbb was already going to a very good direction to originality until they further made obvious infringements such as the logo change of the game to league’, to the upcoming champions similarities, skins (especially Guinevere’s Legend skin with Ahri’s KDA) and etc. But what i’ll also say is Wildrift could’ve really gotten way more than what it’s at now.. First of all which is obvious, the very delayed release of the game, when people really demanded for the game, riot really stretched it out for over a year till its release and at that time people just kinda forgotten about it and the hype died down. Giving mlbb over a year’s worth of growing and expanding their playerbase. Resulting in 2ndly, they started giving out the beta test to mostly SEA region first, and why’s that a bad idea? Almost no one really expected it coming and a ton of ppl just wasn’t that sold on the game, cuz the SEA region was alrdy just way more familiar with mlbb at this time. Including me, since i was more familiar with mlbb’s more user friendly, simplistic and fast-paced gameplay. Wildrift just felt a lot more clunky, alot more info to digest, and just feels way much slower to play, it only took me a week of playing it before i decided to drop it cuz the game was just not it for me. They didn’t have enough features to compete with how versatile mlbb already has. And last but not least.. poor promotion of the game. Riot could’ve pushed the hype even further by promoting it to their main channel, to league pc to encourage both old and newer league pc players to try it out as an alternative. But decided not to and only signed various specific celebs/creators thats in the mlbb scene to promote the game. One example is SoloZ from malaysia who is well known in the mlbb community (malaysia side), and made advertisements of the game, but as u guessed that players that saw the ads just weren’t that interested cuz they’re already more occupied with mlbb. Thus resulting the hype for the game even further tanking.. So in conclusion, Riot did not do enough to really help Wildrift to compete with MLBB to barely make a budge in disrupting their playerbase. MLBB continues to grow, while wildrift just slowly sinks. MLBB will remain the best moba game for the MOBILE department, while League stays the best moba game for the PC department. Besides all these blatant copying and lawsuits riot and moonton fighting eachother over.. both games are great in their own ways so gotta respect that. Under all the copying moonton does, mlbb itself has a lot of effort put into when compared to other half-assed done ripoff games. But aside from that, i also say that league is also a great game for being able to last over a decade at this and still further expanding its playerbase. This is all just between 2 companies while we players should respect eachother’s opinions whether they like or dislike both games, there’s never EVER *which* of the 2 is better than the other.

[@sunder739]

I think that the fact WR has gone at endless beta phase makes people drove away from the game furthermore. I mean it's not inherently a bad thing since they're experimenting on what League of Legends PC feature they can bring into mobile, and it kinda works. But people have gotten tired of it and decided to call it a quit, like what I did. Luckily Riot has announced that they're ending their partnership with Garena and will host their own SEA server under their name starting from January 2023, so I can play LoL PC instead of sucking up at WR

[@kleshaharb]

Pp

[@epicosexio]

@@kleshaharb pp

[@BeheadedPrisoner]

Comprehensive clear point.

[@chickown]

Isoya?😊

[@SLAYYWOFJE]

As a ML player im just happy that montoon finally has a rival in moba games. (IN MOBILE) In year 2016-2018 montoon is very strict on giving some free stuffs especially skins. But now, i can feel that montoon is spoiling us by giving skins and free heroes just because of wildrift release. Its a good thing for the both of company to have a rival cuz look at genshin. The developers are not listening to the players and their anniversary feels like a normal day. 😭

[@SLAYYWOFJE]

I also tried playing wildrift but everything is just too slow for me like after i play one game, i will turn off the app and open other game. There is no excitement for me. im not a hater. Im just telling my personal experience.

[@mitsuri3096]

They giving skins rn lmao

[@jakatarub7527]

​@@SLAYYWOFJE same with me, it is not as fast as mole

[@souptroll5455]

Just means you like fast paced games but personally I prefer Wr because it's not so fast that at lvl 9 the towers don't go down just because of a dude having atk speed build the reason why Wr is slow is because it has a more strategical gameplay where as ML as I see often mostly requires fast hands but yes ML can be fun since losing isn't that impact full

[@kor-_e]

I can relate lmao

[@AcesPrune]

There's a difference between making another moba, and copying an entire moba...

[@greenshroomgames]

mlbb is straight up a copy moba on it's first release before it became mobile legends bang bang it's just mobile legends which is a straight copy of champions just with different models

[@wtfface.8790]

Lmao, ediots.

[@wtfface.8790]

Biology cells replicate by cells copying the DNA first then splits. Everyone is a copy of each other.

[@AcesPrune]

@@wtfface.8790 Well, no... My cells are a copy of my cells, not a copy of yours, or anyone else's. That's why gametes, from both the female and male, are needed for reproduction. You can't just give birth alone... unless you're a Star Fish.

[@wtfface.8790]

@@AcesPrune 99.9% of you is the same as a lab rat scientifically proven.

[@JanSuing]

Mobile Legends has already become a massive cultural phenomenon in the Philippines and Indonesia, with a significant cultural impact on both societies. When traveling around Indonesia, you can't help but notice the widespread popularity of ML. It's everywhere, from shampoo bottles to chocolates. I'm not kidding! In the Philippines, some people are even naming their children after their favorite ML heroes. Memes are being shared between Filipino and Indonesian players, creating a sense of shared humor and camaraderie. The ML communities in both countries have formed close-knit bonds, with rivalries emerging in the esports scene. Interestingly, the Indonesian government has shown its support for the ML esports scene by intervening in the MPL ID (Mobile Legends Professional League Indonesia). They are determined to make their league more competitive, especially after experiencing defeats against the Philippines. On the other hand, the Filipino government officials went as far as traveling to Indonesia during the M4 (Mobile Legends World Championship) to announce that M5 would be held in Manila, generating great excitement among fans. Personally, I am eagerly anticipating M5 in Manila this December. The city has a fantastic atmosphere during the Christmas season. HOK will just become another WR.

[@MrSuckeragi]

my dog is named Miya :P

[@Xx_HARAMBE96_xX]

Bro thats fucked up...

[@mdn737]

I will name my child Thamuz 😅

[@zeoh-]

all fun and games until someones fav hero is Uranus

[@LevixTheCreator]

shows you how badly it has affected people

[@Typical_Penguin]

As a WR enthusiast, I can't help but mention that NOT releasing WR in India probably made the game not as popular as it should be

[@goodgrief6721]

I dont think they really care about the public They just want the money yet they didn't see that MLBB was banned in India and its such a huge market yet they didn't release the game there

[@ganeshc3750]

​@@goodgrief6721India is a risky market for any Chinese company especially Tencent. It is most likely would get banned so why bother building it in the first place. On the other hand, MLBB kept the indian servers up. You won't find the game in apps store but if you look hard enough you will find it and for some reason, it gets updated frequently and you don't even need to download future versions or anything. The game auto updates for you

[@worldwideweb9431]

Most Indian didn't even know League of legend what the fuck your r smoking...,...Indian were playin mini milita before pubgM......pubgM only bring esport name in India,now some valorant n cod team are in esport but pubgM was the game that most Indian know of esport....forget about LOL game most Indian didnt even play MLBB before it was banned only NE region was playing it and still NE region played it....

[@Wabinator]

Rito should have made ashe the app icon to see how mobile legends would have reacted lol.

[@hippopotatomoose]

Stay away from Jinx!!!!

[@ireliaaaaa3352]

This is such a brilliant idea 🤣

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

🤣

[@UsagiFlapmaster_Arisu]

Lol

[@dandeliononwintersnow7036]

They wouldn't react on an icon?

[@brendan8114]

so, on some points mobile legends is in the right, for example the pool party skin line... is riot trying to say they can sue any game that has swimsuit cosmetic options? also the ahri thing, are they saying they own the rights to all kitsune based characters, solely saying it's justified because both of their tails are made of crystal, by that logic they can sue anything that has a fire based kitsune because foxfire ahri is a kitsune with a flaming tail, and clearly no one has ever thought of that idea before, ever.

[@threefs2082]

Moonton didn't plan it to be a crystal tail but a holographic tail

[@justdont2378]

Ye riot is just desperately nitpicking to make the lawsuit "bigger"

[@imamzakyabdurrasyiid4breg248]

That how copyright works btw. Little copy still copying. If music you make yourself but copy little instrument of other music you can get copyright. And riot make that skin' earlier than mlbb

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

Exactly my thoughts. In that case, the entirety of Japanese culture could sue as well.

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

@@imamzakyabdurrasyiid4breg248 there's such a thing called sampling in the music industry. Copyright laws have more nuance than that. There are also criteria to be met such as novelty, is it entirely unique to warrant protection by the law?

[@MrSuckeragi]

I prefer ML because of the faster games and gameplay. playing League takes way too long, especially now that I have a regular 9-5 job. the action slows down so much when you have to get back to base and get items, and the fact that on pc at least, it felt so slow to level up and earn the gold you need to get items. in ML there is almost no end to the action as you can just buy items anywhere on the map. A lot of people say the ML is broken, but then they also say ML just copied LoL, so does that mean that both are broken? If one is broken, the other is not - then they aren't exactly copies are they? I know its bad that ML did copy so much from League, but still there are a lot of fun and original stuff in it. I came from PC LoL to mobile legends, it just seemed like the way to go after becoming a working guy, playing on phones is convenient and the game is a lot easier to learn IMO. the reason why so many "noobs" are in ML is because they don't even play mobas at all, while people from League for me became very toxic the higher up you go, especially since I only play support/tanks solo Q - they would blame me for everything and whine all day when losing or if you make a simple mistake - chill out dude, its just a game! People call ML broken, but for me its just more fun. If someone complains that a Hero is OP, well SO MANY OTHER HEROES are OP too, lets all be broken together!

[@xijinping3317]

Tru the longest game will take 30minutes and that's pretty rare

[@Lunniah]

tbh i hope ml doesnt get deleted it the only game i play, and their staff are really nice and i enjoy the game a lot and i love the collaboration i have spent way to much time and money on the game.

[@Luvvrinyy]

​@@Lunniah Agreed 👍

[@Shen1]

@@Lunniahkeep yapping you’re dreams

[@D-A-R-T-H-V-A-D-E-R]

​@@Shen1kiddie ahh LoL Player-

[@invictus3515]

The problem with WildRift currently is: 1. The Ranked system is so bad that everyone can reach nowadays GrandMaster, over 15k+ are in GM. 2. Then there are these boring events. We only get 1 Event every month while China has over 10+ Events running at the same time. 3. Removing all Chat was a big mistake aswell, you can always mute someone or you even have the option to mute all Chat entirly. 4. Adding Gacha Skins for no reason at all 5. You can't get perma banned for inting. The only punishment you get is a Chat restriction which doesn't stop trolling.

[@invictus3515]

Looks to me like that WR won't hold any longer. Playerbase is insanely small. I only see the same players playing. Even tho I go online in different times.

[@Kei-hd5bb]

Well, sorry to burst your bubble but some of the stuff you've said can be said about ml The ranking is also bad in mlbb, almost everyone I know that plays that game are consistently in MG and most of them just play for fun. Well, no reason for you to really talk to your enemy if you're competing against each other. If you're playing for casual gaming then the more reason not to talk and just use ping to communicate with your team. Well, for gacha skins. Isn't mlbb basically a gacha game, with all the skins that is really overpriced and skins that require you to draw in order to acquire them. And before you go off and tell me I am just a blatant hater. Well, I am but at least I can acknowledge that riot have a lot of fault with wr failing. May it be their bad server or delayed release. And at the very least, I agree with you on that last part. They could've been a little stricter on inting and smurfs.

[@connection1005]

Everyone in ml is at mythic legend :|

[@rks4532]

That number one problem also happen at mlbb since i can just straight up go to highest tier within short time and i dont think the gacha system is that bad tho, u get a guarantee pick with max around 20-30$? unlike mlbb i used to pay 900$ for one skin lol. And yeah riot should just perma ban those trolling fat f*cks instead of no chat restriction or longer matchmaking punishment

[@Justyouravergeperson]

@@faharizaru what's mythic legend I'm sure there is only two: mythic and mythical glory

[@Alcetroz]

Fun fact: There was a case before this that Moonton won against Tencent where they falsely sued Moonton for things they didn't do and had to pay $30.000.

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

*after this. Moonton is talking with jujutsu kaisen for collaboration and the IP holder of Jujutsu Kaisen backed down due to the tencent's false statement action.

[@wafipratama1526]

What the case

[@achmadraihan2819]

Not really That 2018 case They don't sue them But rather spread rumor instead

[@achmadraihan2819]

Rumor about bad work place

[@Alcetroz]

@@begobolehsjwjangan2359 Bruh

[@shadeez1212]

Riot Focused mostly on erasing Moonton instead of actually making Wild Rift better and more interesting, which ofcourse led to all their plans ruined after Bytedance bought Moonton and let them escape the Lawsuits. Now that Moonton isn't copying much they can't really do much about it other than get better. Which is quite fair to me now cause Mobile Legends has been changing a lot lately, the desperation of Riot to take down Moonton is incredibly huge, to the point that they thought Summer Skins were Exclusive only to them. Goes to show that they're becoming more of the bad ones in this battle instead of Moonton.

[@KARMlCd3bt]

I still can't believe they tryna sued moonton because of the summer skin like...wtf? You don't own summer to freely sued people that use the same concept

[@shadeez1212]

@@KARMlCd3bt That shows just how desperate Riot is to take Moonton down, to the point that they think Summer Skins are theirs only.

[@kishi1811]

@@KARMlCd3bt while you do have a point its specifically the copying of the design of LoL and im not surprised if it's really copy

[@eru6550]

@@shadeez1212 what moba who have summer skin?? AOV? Or what?? Just reminder tencent = riot = wild rift & AOV 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@shadeez1212]

@@eru6550 You're basically saying all other Moba games aren't allowed to have Summer Skins, I'm disappointed.

[@wtfface.8790]

Scientifically, to explain why some players have the intuition to know where other players are is vision and auditory. I can hear the other characters from, then I walk there. And it's really is hiding there one time.

[@household_cracker]

I actively tried to like wild rift but I just can't get used to the controls. It is such a shame tho, it has awesome events that league lacks.

[@mcsy98]

yeah I was a huge vainglory player back then and heard about wild rift before it released. I was planning on giving it a try but then I saw that it would be joystick controls and that turned me away immediately :x Vainglory’s touch controls were peak mobile moba gameplay, and I am still sad that their devs had to shut the game down due to lack of funding. League never truly filled in the hole in my heart that that game left behind 😔

[@ヽ゚ー゚ノ-r9v]

Yeah I just couldn't made Ahri dash continuously in a direction I want. I played for a week then quit. Heck mlbb is way more fun than WR.

[@extr3me996]

You're just noob

[@ヽ゚ー゚ノ-r9v]

@@extr3me996 and you're just an a hole trying to protect a game that's not well optimized for smart phones.

[@philanthonyapsong3367]

I am an MLBB player, I tried playing Wild Rift and I can say that it was quite a competitive ground. It's easy to play for me in ML and WR since in ML, it's easy to move and understand the mechanics, player friendly and feels much more comfortable, while in WR, there's a counter to pretty much everything, most players are experienced and can help alot. Both games are good and fun but for me, it's ML, idk if it's just me but the atmosphere in WR kinda sets me off but I like competing against good players though.

[@ReziKureizi]

i do a gree as an WR player and a former ML player, for me WR are way more competitive and the mechanics are not player friendly for newcomer. Altho im still choosing WR over ML because of their graphics 😹

[@retsu7925]

ML sucks!!

[@ItsJustKaya]

Atleast we get thhe appreciation from an ML player that we play better then their community. (Tbf ive played 5 in row since ML start, because i wanted to play a good moba. There was non other then Vainglory exclusive to 3v3 but id like 5v5 more. Few month later ML realesed) *bruno beeing draven is new to me. It was somewhat of ezreal when i started

[@juls248]

I currently play WR and yeah, players have more map awareness than in ML but what I don't like in WR is that it is so slow paced

[@amaroinam1522]

That's y ml n wr r different game .. what's the point of having different games if they r all the same ..so just play which plays tyle fits u n enjoy the game we don't need to backbite on games which don't fit u .,.

[@Navidadplays]

As a player of both games i can say one of disadvantages of wildrift is what's moontoon doing right now which is collaboration yeah by doing collaboration with famous Anime,Cartoon and etc. They are able to take their audience go wild and made their satisfactory go up since now moontoon always asked the player if the skin is good enough or need improvements.

[@Reiji-17]

I can certainly relate because moonton is doing collaboration with some of my favorite anime

[@niehoe3048]

Yeah, the star wars and kungfu panda collabs for example were amazing

[@marsvumm]

yeah but wheres the creativity in that? its COLLAB which means most of the design or everything is literally being used for a character. Thats actually peak bs, moneytoon just wants to find way to make money and theyre lazy asf. And mlbbs skins esp their collab skin quality and everything is nowhere near leagues skins.

[@Anythingforyou11]

​@@marsvummso you going create a game for free ... obviously they are going to want money

[@marsvumm]

@@Anythingforyou11 atleast make them good lol

[@NekoNekoNee123]

I like how mobile legends listens and takes ideas from their users/players and try to balance a good gameplay experience for all players, although I've played wild rift I find it's graphics and gameplay a bit off, colors are off to a more gothic and blank depressing look, whereas mobile legends are bright in color and more pastel, makes you forget how boring real life is.

[@assasin0848]

When I saw Guinevere’s legend skin before even released in the original server I knew Riot should sue moonton for sure back then since this skin undeniably copied Ahri’s traits both in display scene and gameplay Edit: I meant to type “would” and not “should” but for some reason the auto correction made it “should” and I noticed it way later

[@Xertuce]

You know that you can just edit to... change the "should" by "would" ? XD

[@assasin0848]

@@Xertuce Yes but I prefer explaining to avoid confusion 👍🏻

[@alphaisyeeting4880]

No shit sherlock

[@DuskbladeOfDraktharr]

nice pfp man

[@MrT-2ez]

Wow this is a surprisingly wholesome comment section. Wasn't expecting that.

[@lukhw1n657]

Riot discontinuing the Wild Rift eSports (except for the SEA region) is basically them shooting themselves in the foot.

[@renzoarganda6184]

But I do hear that BR will have its esports scene back in 2023

[@youwantmyname9208]

In defense for the swimsuit and Guinevere kitsune skin, Having a pool party skin doesn't mean they copy riot, if that is the logic then, riot should just sue any games that have swimsuit in it. Also Guinevere tails isn't supposed to be crystals, it was holographic tails. It's a nine tailed fox from Japan mythology. Just because it is all flashy, doesn't mean it was a copy, Guinevere have completely different style compare to kda ahri, the only same thing is they both were flashy skins

[@elpapuxDDReal]

FACTS finally someone understands that the tailed where from holographic star constellations, it was quite easy to see but people couldn't accept it even saying that the recall was a copy of crimson moon something, I searched up the skin they said and although they where similar, the recall fitted Guinevere more since that the theme of her skin, a fox

[@3nyo146]

They also copy pool party ads 1:1.

[@thedarkebika9488]

@@3nyo146 the point is : when you want to sue a copy, sue the copy parts not anything else They used gluee and the skin is zask, in a lawsue for wr, and he is not in WR even, i agree with the ad one, but why use zilong as skin, butnottge tattos ON him? That are litterly copy past from a pro drawwing app?

[@SakuraOasis]

Finally someone said it! They are literally just taken Inspo from Riot which they are allowed to do. Riot needs to focus on fixing the crashes and crap on their game instead of suing ppl over nothing.

[@identitygameruwu3132]

When guin show of his tail its almost same like Ahri kda movement

[@wtfface.8790]

It's like on exams papers that league players *get wrong on basic questions* but can *solve the more complex questions.* Because League keeps insisting they are *more* complex. Endless *comparison.*

[@eidaxiel]

Recently, Moonton used the same audio of Rengar's ULT in the enemy POV to one of their new skins. It plays the audio of Rengar ulting from the enemy team, his growl. If you're curious to what skin this is, search up the new "Legend" skin of "Franco". Can't remember if it was Demon Lord or something, but you guys will know.

[@g.doggod]

So what r u gonna do?

[@renejrferenal]

Keep crying

[@ibangeverything902]

The comments above me:🤡🤡

[@clairvoyant-]

moonton has a few original stuff but a shit ton of things are inspired/copied from LoL

[@goldendemon4690]

@@g.doggod so what r u gonna do🤓

[@Schooltao]

The sad part is if you look at another one of their games MLA(Mobile Legends Adventure) you can see a ton of things that aren’t in MLBB that to my knowledge aren’t stolen from other sources that shows they can create their own things but decide to copy from others

[@threefs2082]

At this point my thought about Moonton just want to pissed Riot off, will be true

[@ヽ゚ー゚ノ-r9v]

Yeah lol they have copied countless heroes from afk arena xD

[@Schooltao]

@@ヽ゚ー゚ノ-r9v I don’t know but didn’t MLA come out first?

[@dooter7382]

@@Schooltao afk arena came out first,mla released on 2019 while afk arena on 2018

[@Schooltao]

@@dooter7382 ah I see thanks for clearing thing out for me

[@istolethisname9749]

This may be the very first comment section I stumbled upon where almost everyone has long comments discussing about the topic presented. No meme comments, just all out seriousness. That's when you know you've created a good video that got the viewers engaged and started sharing their opinions and experiences

[@victorprati7908]

Ligma ballz

[@abbyadventure5689]

@@victorprati7908 bruh

[@Squigga2]

Yeah because lol vs mlbb is a very important topic... peoples' lives depend on it

[@Valome_Virtual_Gravedigger]

Sugondese nfts

[@soulbounddoll1826]

@@Squigga2 Vs? Do we have to fight? Can't we just agree that both games are good?

[@GrimReaper-b3o]

This is just an example of not every heroes win irl and villains win

[@mentalabysss]

You have a very serious problem thinking that Riot games is a hero

[@rambii.]

I played both wild rift and mobile legends and even though I love many things about wild rift, the game feels dull and they are trying to be too competitive on a casual platform. On ML, there’s always action and different modes released from time to time that are really fun, like mayhem, mirror, mirror mayhem, ravage, survival modes, etc. Sometimes when I end a match in wild rift I am just not motivated to keep going. On top of that, the very long queue times for ranked matches

[@butao5761]

I couldn't agree more, the only reason why I played it was the champions and they are fun... but the game wasn't fast paced as ML is since a average match would end 20 or 30 minutes.

[@ttschannel875]

Back in the days (2017) To play League of legends you need specific time, specific place , computer and internet to play While MLBB you can play it anywhere, anytime and and basically anyone can play with me.

[@meekolot]

Riot did a mistake on making a LOL on Mobile rather than a mobile LOL. Mobile games are supposed to mobile, fast and engaging. Im no hater of LOL but thats the experience I got in playing WR

[@lzi_exe]

@@butao5761 lol. ive never experienced playing that ends at 30 minutes.. 20 minutes if the game is pretty intense.. usually it ended around 15-17, which is preety the same when playing ml.

[@John_Dick1]

It's League, League always has been competitive, it doesn't matter what platform it's played on.

[@xotoq9999]

honestly as the perspective of someone who's living in the country that probably has the biggest mobile legend player, im kinda sad watching what happened, on 2018 the copycat game is not really booming but then at 2020 is the year that game became so big, there's been so much League players that demand the LOL mobile(wild rift) to be available already but it got delayed(?) and it feels so late to come, it's like they literally published Wild rift when mobile legend is at their peak and riot definitely lose on popularity

[@rr2r2r2ra]

deserved

[@rohan9539]

i remember when you were just the admin of a meme page in the league insta scene. im glad your youtube channel grew so much since those days and especially since you announced it on insta! the videos are amazing, keep doing you:D

[@NicolaiLol]

Hey that's a massive throw back! I was actually just recently looking at that instagram account lol Crazy how time flies. Thank you for watching though, my friend!

[@shaadali1105]

The only reason for MLBB's growth is that it actually listen to the players playing there game and improving on the problems the community has as for me i had problems with my internet while playing this game and when i complaint on it after 1 week they fixed the network and i Started having better experience while playing this game MLBb

[@alloufer_of_lourge]

The fact that Mobile Legends isn't the only moba game that copied League, take a look at Heroes Evolved and Heroes Arena ,both of them also have huge resemblance to League and yet Riot is suing Moonton because Mobile Legends is more popular than their Wildrift.

[@zocker2586]

Well the keyword here is "blatant", similarities cant be avoided but actual effort can still be at place but look at moonton: they obviously took bits and pieces of league and made their own, even the name :P

[@jhinjahat7057]

yeah huge, while mlbb copying almost at everything. example is rune, if you play both League (pc) and old mlbb you know what i mean.

[@sleepisgood2936]

Copy and i inspired are different yes they have the same aspects but ml did copy league blatantly

[@inyour_wetdreams]

Heroes Evolved, AOV, or any other mobile MOBA actually doesn't "blatantly" copied League like ML does... i played AOV before and was surprised because they were some heroes that were actually somewhat original, and good

[@toniotana6567]

yeah no shit tthey go after the most popular game, sherlock? what are you saying? why would they waste time and money sueing irrelevant games with 5 active players

[@rosiesgf7753]

i tried playing other moba games and i saw that many heroes are the same with other heroes from different mobas, but how come moonton's the only one being sued?

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

Moneyton has the money😎😎🎉

[@DailyDoseKarina]

Target locked

[@johnvincentsoriano5608]

Because they literally replicate the game. Gets??

[@Teqip0bm]

@@johnvincentsoriano5608 they don't, the replication was only in yeb early years of mlbb, play it now, everything is completely different from league

[@johnvincentsoriano5608]

@@Teqip0bm read again my comment ml boy

[@jacksond7956]

I think it’s really hard to make any sort of Moba without any characters being similar at all.

[@garafaa]

exactly

[@zocker2586]

True but atleast make an effort right? Look at vainglory

[@yorukage9688]

@@zocker2586 i know right. The character designs are very unique and original. Mlbb on the other hand is just a brainless copy

[@irnasyach]

Onmyoji Arena

[@samega7cattac]

Not rly, compare League with Dota, they can have some similar abilities but the characters are very diff, it's also a completely different playstyle that some people prefer

[@munteanucatalin9833]

It is too late to do something against Mobile Legends... Copyright laws are a little bit sketchy anyway especially when dealing with artistic character design. For example, Riot didn't invented the nine tail fox because the kitsune (spirit of the forest) is a part of Japanese folklore.

[@Ryo8761]

Lol Sun WuKong in both versions.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

@@Ryo8761 Sun is one of the things I won't blame ML for unless there is another champion with the same mechanical approach.

[@nushia7192]

@@Cecilia-ky3uw just look up heroes of newerth's/dota2's monkey king

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

@@nushia7192 Forgot about Dota, yeah, probably something there.

[@kor-_e]

​@@Ryo8761lmao 💀

[@Username-qu1jt]

Had Wild Rift released much earlier, it would've been an interesting competition. Though Moonton might still copy and implement a few features like they did with "Project Next"

[@kizuru123]

Moonton is the prime example of telling your joke but better.

[@reformierende_person]

i instantly remember key and peele high on potenuse lmao

[@lookatthem3895]

Nah just louder

[@toniotana6567]

"better" cope

[@wraithhe]

Yeah telling your joke in another country from you and becoming popular fr

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

This is more of a lesson to western developers and players, they've been snubbing and underrating the mobile game market for years. Now it's dominated by Chinese and South Korean developers. Being said, I play both game but stuck with Mlbb. They're both fine, Mlbb has faster and pacing and more intense all throughout the early to late game. Meanwhile, Wildrift has a slower-paced early game but ramps up fast in late game.

[@connordrake5713]

I don't why Riot won't copy entertaining events from Moonton. Moonton had chess games, mayhem, mirror-mayhem, mirror, brawl, and even a Bomberman event. If Moonton is blatantly copy Lol, Riot can do it too. 😂

[@untitledmisou]

I don't think anyone underrated the mobile market. Legit everyone with some form of income has a mobile phone now, but certain publishers don't need to use the sheer #s of mobile gaming to run fine. Plus, some games just don't work well mobile or have a higher player base on different units. Why focus on mobile games when your player base is strongly PC/Console? I agree with the last part though, but league has ALWAYS been a strategic moba. Most games now are built to be faster paced with smaller learning curves. ( Referring to league mnot WR on the last bit )

[@rrreuelmenz]

@@connordrake5713 RIOT does have these modes💀 idk if you're being sarcastic but Moonton's Chess was plagiarised from RIOT's TFT...the so called mirror mode is the copy of RIOT's One for all...

[@chun-lisfan7366]

@@rrreuelmenz bruh it's normal to have a mode like that...

[@rrreuelmenz]

@@chun-lisfan7366 Yeah but to have literal games similar to riot is not "normal"

[@haoyuanjin8280]

Wow what a surprise. I’m sure riot games never copied or ripped off other games before…

[@AKHS125]

not as much and obviosly as moonton

[@whatdatechnodogedoin]

There are multiple problems with WildRift. I love the game and it's new playstyle is very different compared to ML's playstyle. It's much more complex and gives me the challenge I need when learning a new game. But like I said there are problems with it, and they are the main reason it never took off well. 1. They entered the mobile MOBA market way too late. By the time they entered it ML and AoV were already dominating it and they just didn't promote it enough. 2. WildRift's demographics and target audience. WildRift is supposed to be League on the go. Problem is League players have no reason to play it when they already have a PC to play it's much better counterpart. So most of the people that play it are in South-East Asia. Which leads to another problem. It requires a lot more than ML does. ML generally takes up around 4-5 maybe 6gb if you're running it on ultra while WildRift can take up 5-7 gb alone. It's audience are 3rd world countries that can't afford to upgrade phones just to play the game. It's the reason most played ML in the first place, most didn't have the money to buy a PC and play League. 3. Connection. In ML I get around 50-75ms on a good day. Pretty bad ping but on WR it's even worse. I get over 150ms on it and it's not uncommon for it to reach 300ms. Connection with the servers just suck and it's a pain to play heroes like Yasuo or Sett with it since you need to time your skills to deal the optimal amount of damage. 4. As much as I hate to say it but it's way too complex for most of the audience that plays it. As much as I hate it, it's pretty hard to understand for most of the players in South-East Asia because of its complexity. Most here prefer easy games just to pass time and not games that require actual intellect to play. 5. It takes way too long. The tutorials takes a lot of time, the gameplay feels slow, and the controls are not optimized for a mobile game. The quick pings itself is pretty complex and is hard to aim at times. Those are just my opinions on why it never succeeded.

[@Barasforlife]

This ^

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

Yep. They tried too hard to bring a pc game to mobile instead of making a mobile game. Even if you can slap on the LoL brand, you still have to create a product tailored to your target customers, which is what ml does better.

[@jasperhawn]

Highlight number 4. As a casual player, me and my friends just play during afternoon breaks. A good 15 min gameplay can give us 2 to 3 games before break ends. We dont need highly complicated games when we just wanted to chill in rank. hehehe

[@bossrod9384]

plus most of champions are skillshot every skillshots. if your ms is 150 above, its prerty annoying and quite stressful to deal with. i play wr ecer since its beta, but this thing is up till now. and they cant fixed it.

[@yuyucontent]

The problem I see with WR is that people with no knowledge and/or have not played Lol before will find the mechanics overwhelming or hard. With ml, it is easy to learn, hence people are more invested in actually playing the game at the start.

[@FailedNorSeling]

Many people often make fun of MLBB and Moonton for their practices, but the thing is... If the original fails to compete with the copy even if the copy took the ideas from the original, there must be something wrong with the original. So many of MLBB ideas were taken from the predecessor, yet because they were the first in terms of a MOBILE MOBA vs Riot, Moonton got the upper hand on the playerbase from China, South East Asia and Brazil, which also house the biggest playerbases for DOTA2 and LOL. By the time Riot made a mobile version of LOL in Wildrift, they only amassed 50M downloads (PlayStore) while MLBB already had 500M Downloads. 10 times that. It also clashed with the playerbase for Tencent's (Riot's parent company) Arena of Valor, basically diluting itself. Sponsors for events like SNK (King of Fighters), Saint Seiya, even big titles from DreamWorks (Kung Fu Panda) or Disney (LucasFilm's StarWars) chose the "copy" rather than the original. Even TikTok, the platform rivaling giants like KZbin chose MLBB over WildRift. And knowing for a fact that the CEO of Moonton was a former Employee of RIOT, no wonder why he was able to innovate rather than fully copy the original because let's face it, noone is truly original because works are always based on things of the past. And League can now be considered as such.

[@bossrod9384]

couldnt agree more

[@jhonwdyc1674]

based

[@t.r.n1558]

Riot dont need sponsor because they have billions of daily ACTIVE players. The leauge of legends have its own universe (Runaterra), and own champions. So thats why it not makes sense what are you talking about. I mean what would they do with Kung Fu Panda characters in Runaterra when they create they own champions? 🤣 Its a fact that Mobile Legends is more popular than wr (not LoL), but the graphic, gameplay, controlls, matchmaking system, setting options, and much more is so much better in wr. (not the players). It makes sense because Mobil Legends is just a copypasta. But the way how Moonton is copying the Riot Games is funny and disgusting at the same time. And as a wr and lol player, we wont stop making fun of moonton until they delete the game haha.

[@minongfoster3326]

@@t.r.n1558 Lmao touch grass kid, even if you say that people would still prefer ML over WR, you can't just accept that the copy you're talking about is better than WR...

[@limborock151]

@@t.r.n1558 WR is trash who want to play it if you can play pc version you know what i mean?

[@blvckcrow5421]

Wildrift actually have major "connectivity issues" doesn't matter if you have good internet connection or decent device. The game is truly the best mobile MOBA however it's unplayable because of unstable ping and sometimes totally unplayable. This have been an issue for so long. How can they even compete.

[@ChucktheSpicyChicken]

Bro to this day every time i try to play wild rift i get "verfying files faild, please check your internet connection." Message, and even then when i actually get into a match my ping is always above 100, meanwhile in ML i rarly get high ping spikes for a long time.

[@ecekoprucu4916]

I started to play MLBB while waiting for Wild Rift. Then got hooked and now I only play that.

[@AFloatingKitty]

Moonton has more servers in different regions than Riot, therefore making it easier for all people to play and be competitive with low ping. As someone who has high ping in almost every game because my country is close to South Africa, I get very high ping on Leagues of legends but Moonton has African servers. Not many game devs are willing go invest in African servers as they "think" it will not be profitable as there will be low players. Basically mlbb has more servers which is convenient for me. Also you can call it a copy or ripoff whatever but mlbb is very polished and smooth

[@saturn326]

I still wonder why they call identical as a copy

[@dieptrieu6564]

Let face it, here. Africa is still not a major concern for any game company. Most of ML revenue come from Asia. The fact that they have an African server is a nice gesture. But that's not why they are successful

[@angeksky3728]

@@saturn326 there are a lot of copy issues between moba games

[@JuraganBatik]

@@dieptrieu6564 you're correct bro, but imagine,, in next few years,, african player will rise,, there are alot off country in africa, and if moonton invest more money,, more earlier,, more server and more community will be rise,, You get it right bro,, The african player are massive.

[@dieptrieu6564]

@@JuraganBatik But how long till that day come? Their population is rising. But still nowhere near the amount Asia have. And the their economy is century behind Asia to boost. Unless Moonton plan to make the game be 100 y/o. I seriously doubt that it's a good investment

[@aalfonso4622]

Genuine question: For the skins and stuff, I'm curious if League actually has a case for that. Those skin design concepts have been done for a long time now, even before league. It's not like League itself created fancy looking men wearing suits, purple aliens in space, etc. Can they legally claim a copy from things that aren't that unique in the first place, or is that why the case was dismissed?

[@nushia7192]

Not everything can be copyrighted.

[@MigsCor21]

Champions or skins of said champions have certain features that, for marketing purposes, are easily identifiable. Ahri is a champion basd of the 9 tails fox myth, that is how you identify her. Creating a character based on that isnt plagiarism. Ahri is one of the champions that participate in the KDA promotional stuff. Her 2 KDA skins make a good use of the fact this is a fox girl and they give a central attention to the 9 tails, who are now crystalized. Guinevere had nothing to do with foxes, but skins are supposed to be different design concepts for the same champ, however the way in which her legend skin (the one in the video). Before ML changed the skin, already admits some fault, the presentation animation made the similarities with Ahri kda so obvious that the way in which the 9 tails were shown was EXACTLY the same. You looked at that and you would think of Ahri, the same way you see an half eaten pear on a chinese phone and think of apple iphone. Certain images are associated with a product for commercial reasons. Presenting something that clearly looks just like that image will 100% give an law suit and unless you can prove that you didnt know about it, then you will almost def lose. The only reason why the lawsuit didnt go in, is because its a dispute about 2 chinese owned companies. The court believes its better to let the country of origin, for the parent companies, to handle it. Its nothing special or unique and, unless its arming the US directly, then the court will do this 99% of the time. Riot cannot win the case tho, even if the parent company pressed them to do it, because China itself doesnt care about copy rights.

[@eliasvonbrille]

Many of the things are way too obvious copies for it to be dismissed. Everybody knows it. It's blatantly obvious. Even moonton makes no efforts to hide it. The only reason they don't just straight up ask "what should we take next from League" On social media is for legal reasons. It's a complete and utter failure of the Us legal system to dismiss this. Saying this as a law student. This blows my mind

[@andrijanastic1480]

They are not right for it and they shall not be able to do that

[@Magnet_Chaos]

DC didn't invent the concept of bug theme super heroes in power armor. But if I start selling a comic called "The Cyan Beetle" I'm pretty sure I'm going to get sued. XD

[@wetaq]

(An Essay ahead on my opinion why wild rift is not as successful as ML) As a SEA mobile legend player who were eagerly waiting for wild rift to release (bc i often watch the champion spotlight for PC version of heroes)…. i was quite disappointed when it does release… (1st) the first FEW heroes (emphasis on few) that was released werent interesting enough to play with.. i was so excited to play as morgana, karma, syndra, and yuumi, only to realize they are not in the WR debut hero line up and by the time some of those listed heroes were added, i already got bored with WR and uninstalled it. (2nd) Mobile legend is already an established mobile game in the SEA region (SEA is prob the center point of mobile gaming), and people have invested their time and money to this game long before wild rift shows up. (3rd) idk if i speaks for other SEA players, but on the SEA region (i think) PC gaming is not as common as it is in the NA/EU region. And our economy doesnt support the majority of us buying personal gaming PC/gaming laptop so instead we turn to mobile games which is more accessible, and LoL debuted as a PC game which is why there isnt as much hype ab it bc ppl here dont really know it. (Lastly) based on *what I experienced* while playing WR, the movement joystick is not as smooth as ML. That being said, ik its very very long and unecessary, ik its a bad thing that montoon steals and dont really get punished for that, but ill still continue playing ML just bc i have invested too much time and money (started on 2017) on it and is alr way ahead of WR on mobile platform🧚🏻‍♀️✨

[@jisibat3515]

this is why I keep finding league of legends ad on youtube, they tried to convince people

[@chan-kj8ji]

Hello I'm a player of mlbb since 2018, I also love the league community because I was fascinated by the lore of the game. I played the pc version but gave up because my laptop sucks. But then I can't play wild drift because I don't have enough space(since I prioritize ML). Right now I am using iphone 7 plus and I can run mlbb smooth even in high graphics. I love both games and it sucks because I can't get out of ML since I am very much used to the playstyle and since I've spent alot of money here. But yeah I'm also a fan of lol I regularly watch streams but sadly I don't have the device to run it. Yeah just wanna share since I'm a fan of both games although I only play mlbb as of right now which from what I see I will play continuously I love the game now since moonton really listen to its fanbase and I am liking the updates we are getting. but if ever I got myself to buy a new device I would prefer to play the pc version since I'm pretty much used to the gaming style of mlbb.

[@nushia7192]

Because its more fascinating to play against players at an early stage of the moba game than almost not engaging at all.

[@shinodamasaru7945]

I love arcade mode too. They really kill it.

[@lostdrink9491]

iphone 7+? mwehhehehe

[@ibrav7979]

This is pretty much most players that play mlbb.

[@yesy3s126]

I'll gladly welcome you to the rift when you get an even better phone that can ran wr

[@higuyschannelyes]

It's a pain though. They at one point started deviating a lot with the release of new champion ideas like Lunox, Harith, Faramis, Mathilda, etc but then they decided to go back to copying. Not even exclusively to League. There are a lot of League copies like Bruno (Draven) and Aamon (Talon), but there's from even more MOBAs like another Mobile MOBA, Onmyoji Arena. ML copied their Mennendake and called it Ling, as well as Onmyoji's Kisei which they called Yve. It's really sad, because ML at one point seemed to be going to be their own thing. It DID become their own thing, but then went back to copying from skins + heroes. Oh well. That is that, and this is this.

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

Exactly. However, legally speaking, are these even subject able to copyright though? I mean I observe similarities between Dota, LOL, Mlbb, AoV, and even Oniyouji Arena. I highly doubt that these mechanics are subject to copyright. If so, imagine a mere forward target skill being protected by copyright. There will be no competition, besides the root of MOBAs are RTSs like War craft. Being said, if ML wants to carve it's own identity, it should reach all points of parity first by exactly providing a hero with similar mechanics to the competition then establish points of difference by designing heroes with distinct kits like what you've said. I think Johnson's mechanic was also copied from Omniyouji Arena.

[@CrowKyuu]

True moontoon had a chance to be original but still went back to copying 🤦

[@gamingdemon2191]

all the games u just said have a lot of same similarities

[@gamingdemon2191]

@@CrowKyuuthere are a lot of original skins and heroes created by moonton themselves if u check it thoroughly its like comparing copies with copies there can be no true winner its always 1/1

[@giz0n261]

@@gamingdemon2191 Shut up it's just a game

[@Pogo_bearYTOfficial]

The problem with Riot is that instead of improving their own game, they focused on getting rid of Mobile Legends. It will be a difficult goal because MLBB has already established the title "THE Moba game". I'm a former MLBB player and I play WR at the moment. And I'll admit MLBB has THAT fresh and fun atmosphere that I can't explain, something about WR makes me feel unmotivated and lazy to play. I think because there's these features in-game that is confusing. I tried so hard to convince myself that I'll love WR lol, it's a good game but something about it feels off. Hoping Riot improves a LOT more and makes a comeback soon.

[@ken10kenny19]

Lol you,re basically forcing yourself to play the game,are you getting paid or something cos it doesn't make sense

[@jang_prism9066]

@@ken10kenny19 i might be biased because i spend more money on mlbb that what i usually spend in my games but mlbb has really more fresh especially the announcer that you hear each time you killed in the game, i can really list all mlbb features that WR doesn't have and that is why i spend more money on mlbb than any mobas i played before. But I'm too lazy, im a student and mlbb is really a great game for a student to play on break time

[@ken10kenny19]

@@jang_prism9066 this guys can't just admit that WR isn't that good lol

[@jang_prism9066]

@@ken10kenny19 I don't want to be rude but for me WR is just too time consuming since im also a student who only have 15 minutes break time.

[@ken10kenny19]

@@jang_prism9066 exactly,I can't spend an hour playing just one game, like tf

[@wtfface.8790]

Can't remember which figure was it that walked in the middle of ongoing war and stopped it as the fighters dropped their weapons. Can't find the answers online.

[@averageYTviewer]

I switched to Wildrift when it came out because I want a more challenging game, and Mobile Legends is too easy. Being easy is also the reason why people choose ML over WR. One thing I quickly noticed in WR is the wave management which is non-existent in ML. This makes early game a lot easier in ML compared to WR. WR champion abilities are much more unique compared to ML's copied and simplified hero abilities. Also, Wildrift came out too late. People are already invested in ML and don't want to learn a new game which is somewhat the same but more difficult.

[@mcsy98]

yeah I think the reason why ml has a big playerbase is because it’s easy and is really for casual players as a mobile game. People who don’t have the time or don’t want to spend much effort into getting good at a game can just play ml and easily win and be satisfied with that, as opposed to relentlessly playing to improve at the game like with other competitive games such as league, or in this case, wild rift. Mobile games mostly cater to casuals since it’s “on-the-go” and fast and easy, so no wonder why ml has the following that it has.

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

Well said. I for one actually prefer ML's 'cartoonish' characters over WR 'better graphic' characters & the brighter map over the realistic dark graphics. It felt like a lot of the reasons ppl said WR is better was actually a win for ML in my books. Not everyone is looking for a challenge in a mobile gane, not everyone is up to upgrading their phones just for a gane with 'better graphics'. ML is just better for mobile compared to WR.

[@maegayagi2639]

I think the main reason is the events. Events in ML has a lot more than WR and rewards as well. Also WR has a bigger storage than ML and also. ML has a magic chess while WR does not. But you need to install another app if you want to play TFT. Also WR came late. If they were released early then it shouldn't be a problem.

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

@N VL I ranted so long about that on elgins video comments. Answered accordingly in the survey too. Also there will not be FoW on the same level as WR, thank god. ML should just remain the bright simplified version it is instead of trying to copy WR which has lower playerbase. I mean what kind of inferiority syndrome you gotta have to imitate the losing party??🤯

[@seven7775]

Too easy " 😭 god i wish that was true as much as i want to switch to wr i can't because my phone can't handle it

[@ilythyia5]

To be honest, the first thing that i have noticed between these two games is that they are both quite similar, yet i feel like ml is more easier to understand (like the characters) and lolwr is challenging (items and such). If i were a new player wanting to try a moba game, i would definitely recommend ml but if you want something hard, then lolwr. They are both good games, and actually quite addicting. I also see the blatant copies that ml copied and i do agree that they actually copied it lmao. If they didnt expect no one to notice, theyare so stupid. It would've been nice if it was all original but sadly nope. I think they are just diggibg their own grave at thid point. In lolwr i think they need to focus on how to make it user friendly so that anyone can enjoy even with a weak phone (like mine lmao). But either way, i love their efforts and mechanics. Just, i hope that the skills are easier to learn, most importantly items TvT. In conclusion, GREAT GAMES, BOTH FUN, JUST BE ORIGINAL AND STOP STEALING FROM OTHER CREATORS.

[@connordrake5713]

Moonton now is super brave because even the US court system is afraid of China for I don't know reason. It's the same reasons why TikTok is not even ban on America despite Trump wanted to ban it for security reasons.

[@reymorr9429]

Great game, shitty developers

[@thedarkebika9488]

As a ml player : we WISH ml was original, belive, Also? Wr is not hard, i just play like shit so I am bad, but it would not be as bad as how i 1st start ml ( a note to those who think wr can't be played with ml players)

[@aceeonyt57]

yeah, "quite" addicting

[@soulbounddoll1826]

Yeah, MLBB is easier than LoL right? Atleast that's what I've heard. I'm not great at looking at and buying specific items that I might need, I do better with predetermined builds that I don't have to focus on and MLBB is quite fun for someone like me who's not the greatest at buying items and planning based of what the enemy team has. But something I still want to ask is, should I still try LoL?

[@DK_Krieg]

Pablo Picasso once said: “Bad artists copy. Good artists steal.” So if the masses prefer ML over WR, even in a situation where the LOL brand is much more popular, it means that Moonton deserves their money because they work better with Riots ideas and make their mobile game more fun. this lawsuit from Riot means they can't compete fairly in the market with Moonton

[@bunkersloco9559]

You can't justify it like that too. It's like someone copying your homework and he got better grade than you (while cheating is forbidden).

[@LegoSenpai]

So you’re saying Moonton is competing fairly by blatantly copying league’s asset, not even using their own ideas? There are lots of games that took inspiration from other games and this isn’t it.

[@DK_Krieg]

@@LegoSenpai no, I am talking about game mechanics and gameplay. Copying skins is a shame.

[@yankokassinof6710]

i completely agree, riot is super fking stubborn and more often than not their decisions are super anti player (specially in lol). So seeing this happen feels good

[@yvainnoble9147]

@@yankokassinof6710 Bro you got cheap skin better music and graphics. You're problem is the people who play LOL toxic and stupid riot can't control that

[@SpagetiSpelledWrong]

Main problem for me is the skins were not carried over. But it is what it is.

[@czupl5219]

tbh riot really messed up with how they handled this whole thing, they KNEW they were being copied by a mobile game mainly played in southeast asia and yet they just brushed it off like no big deal as if there isnt a shit ton of people there with functional phones and shitty pcs if any, and instead of realising that, oh, maybe we should stop this copy from spreading even more while its still taking its baby steps they just closed their eyes thinking the original (still only a pc game at the time) would win ?? like what was their plan to keep it under control, bc clearly it didnt work

[@ahmad_sakhi_2197]

When they (WR) focused on the community maybe will be different and stop the sue a lot saw own game maybe will different

[@ruilindeng4301]

I play both games so I consider my viewpoint to be relatively unbiased. Every time I mention Mobile Legends, all my friends just call it "mobile League" but from an unbiased standpoint it's really not. I'm looking at these lawsuits and the only similarity I see is that they're both MOBA games. There's a limit to original ideas before these ideas start overlapping. There's some examples in Riot Game's lawsuit that held water (Guinevere's Psion skin copying KDA Ahri) but the rest I considered quite bs: - The accusation of Yve being a copy of the Dark Cosmic skin line. Moonton made a character based on the theme of space and the cosmos and somehow that's suddenly a blatant copy of Riot Games. Riot Games doesn't own the right to make space-themed characters in games. - Summer themed skins in both games. Same reasoning. Riot Games doesn't own the right to make summer themed skin lines. - Popol and Kupa is supposedly a copy of Nunu & Willump. Popol and Kupa is a physical marksman who uses a wolf. Nunu & Willump is a tank who builds magic (AP) or tank. Their abilities have nothing in common other than their names having 2 names in one. - On a side note, Hanzo was released 2 years before Yone so Mobile Legends players could even argue that Riot Games copied Hanzo.

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

The problem is everything is subjective opinions. As a fan of the kitsune lore, I like the whole animation of trial & inheritance of kitsune powers & don't consider it to be a copy. Only one frame is similar: where the tails come out from behind. I'm kinda sad that ML changed it, since that is an iconic scene from so many wn, manhua & anime. Just because another game has a k-pop kitsune standing in the same pose means no other game can ever use that pose again 😭 The changed pose is also nice & iconic but it's more along the lines of pet/familiar rather than the inheritance of power & will implied in the entry animations. Also k'sante has Edith's core mechanic where the ult granted offensive skills for a period based on defensive stats. (Since you mentioned Hanzo)

[@bossrod9384]

agree, riot is desperate here

[@nathanwidener9006]

If you actually read the court document fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/gkplgkyxqvb/IP%20RIOT%20COPYRIGHT%20moonton.pdf Riot outlines pretty clearly everything they copied. If you truly believe that those summer skins arent a direct ripoff of poolparty then you are not unbiased. Like how are you not seeing the trends of this shitty company never having an original idea?

[@_KnightOfRounds_]

@@nathanwidener9006 Ofc Riot says outlines it. You don't expect an accuser to not actually have an accusation. But it's still needs to be decided whether those accusations are legitimate, or whether they are common enough to be ignored (Imagine you make a Santa Claus asset & then sue every company that tries to 'copy' Santa Claus). That is why the case had to filed instead of Riot just being able to send out cease & desist orders. Riot also used YT comments as evidence & claimed copyright protection on marketing strategies. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ I mean, go to 2 pool parties in summer & accuse the 2nd party of copying the 1st party by wearing swimsuits too 🤣 So yeah, Riot outlines it's accusations, doesn't mean you have to braindead support it & have no mind of your own. So OP is totally justified in using his own judgement to view the issue point by point.

[@nathanwidener9006]

@@_KnightOfRounds_ you clearly havent read the document then. And neither has op. Ofc its okay to use summer themes and other similar ideas. Thats not what Riot is talking about. They are talking about how the skins themselves are BLATANT copies of exact skins and champions in League of Legends. Did you not see the one that is literally just pool party fiora? Or the graves one??? Like its so very blatant how are you defending it lol.

[@felinawell]

I agreed to people that said riot make wild rift too late, I really liked watching league but couldn't play bc of lack of pc/laptops, so mlbb really matched my needs (I played mlbb snice the beginning when they only had like 8 heros) had riot released wild rift earlier, I think I would have chosen wr over mlbb

[@BattedRaptor764]

In Philippines many play mlbb they didn't even know league of legends

[@seulbilee1025]

LoL was already there, but that time, Dota/Dota 2 was more popular , I saw one play LoL, but it's only one

[@geilanaleuznal8924]

Fun Fact: Moonton actually sued Riot as well. But with Defamation and won

[@thedarkebika9488]

That is some new shit

[@hallucy2215]

loool

[@hallucy2215]

chinese garbage

[@CorTheBread]

real?

[@geilanaleuznal8924]

@@CorTheBread yep

[@md_plays]

I play mobile legends and some wild rift from time to time, both are good games, I play both on my channel It really comes down to timing, moonton took the initiative to make a LoL for mobile and grew rampant, riot was a little late in that. Idk if yall seen this on mobile legends advance server but They once tried to make a talent system, got cancelled tho, maybe because players are gonna accuse them of copying league again...

[@higuyschannelyes]

They actually just took it back because a lot of people in the surveys were hating on it and all. It's a shame to be honest, but oh well.

[@Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwww]

@@higuyschannelyes Ml player hating on new talent system because they said it's too complicated lmao

[@nushia7192]

@@Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwww this as well.

[@md_plays]

@bird fr🤧

[@md_plays]

@@higuyschannelyes yeah, there was 1 talent I rlly dig where when you dash u deal extra damage But then again, theyre clearly copying LoL's talent system

[@hughmungus3306]

While the games have some differences, Moonton has done some near blatant copying even after the first lawsuit when it comes to their champ designs and champ kits. I was surprised that they were getting away with a lot of it even after they were sued the first time. That's not just subject to wild rift's champ designs, but even League of Legends for PC. They have their version of Kled, Leblanc, Pyke/Morde hybrid, Aphelios, Talon, etc just to name a few of the top off my head. I've unfortunately had the displeasure of playing that game for the last 6 years and I didn't know about the initial lawsuit until 2 years ago. They are kinda blatant in a lot of their designs, to the point where they have changed aspects of their champs' designs after 2018/19 to avoid them pretty much being carbon copies.

[@evildokkanworld5126]

Zeri isnt a copy

[@bleachfan43]

If ur meaning who I think ur meaning for the zeri copy i wouldn't call her a copy plus she was brought out way before zeri was a thing

[@hughmungus3306]

@@bleachfan43 not zeri. Sorry my bad. Meant to type Aphelios

[@bleachfan43]

@@hughmungus3306 ohhh her k that one is just a copy

[@hughmungus3306]

@@bleachfan43 I had a doubt whether I had forgotten anything and I remembered that the marksman/tank champ they have (forgot her name) is also kind of a shitty copy of old volibear's toss ability and new one's passive.

[@StoryEnjoyer220]

I still remember seeing people being like "once wild rift comes out all those other copies will fail!" Personally I'm not on anyone's side personally particularly, I think Moonton should stop copying but Riot should learn they can't really shut down ML, that is unless their motivation is just to get extra money.

[@mystever2513]

Moonton needs to just learn how to create originality, with a community like this you'd definitely would have some good ideas come your way

[@nushia7192]

nothing is original.

[@ikanuwu]

Riot copied dota? Weird accusations but I’ll take it

[@deepjoker7220]

Mostly today copies are everywhere. Riot should learn how to compete to dominance instead of desperately bringing someone down

[@a.s.raiyan2003-4]

​@@deepjoker7220 I thik they are justified. Moonton is making billions by copying Riot's ideas. I think that's a good reason.

[@mihaimelinte7058]

What riot didn't understand is that WR is a mobile game. As someone here said, ML is made to be a mobile game. Lasting for aprox 30 min per game, while WR can last a lot more, going in the base, buying all that stuff. In ML everyone have a role and all the team benefit from that, in WR not so much.

[@aladdinfaris7175]

Wtf u saying? Wr literally has roles and u can select which one suits u

[@mihaimelinte7058]

@@aladdinfaris7175 in ml jungle take turtle ( up to 3 times) all the team take gold and shield. Ganks are fast, starting from min 2. Everything is more fast paced, u made the gold for that item u can buy it in a team fight, which can change the tides of the battle

[@aladdinfaris7175]

@Mihai Melinte well 1st wr is game that meant to be slow paced game and its fine the way it is 2 here all the team gets gold from the plates and using rh and the drakes are situational

[@aladdinfaris7175]

@Mihai Melinte 3 getting ganked depends on the enemy if they do mistakes and overstay its the jg job to punish them and some jg hero's can't gank fast because of their clearing

[@DBacks11]

I played both the games ,and MLBB is lot easier compared to LOL. it's like MLBB is for amateur, while LOL Is for PROFESSIONAL

[@seempt]

So I started playing MLBB in mid 2020. I already manage to understand the basics of it in just less than a month, like the emblems, items, spells and the map which includes proper rotation, placement of creeps and time intervals when the main creeps will appear. IN LESS THAN A MONTH. When i learned abt the plagiarism, ofc Riot gained my sympathy, I installed Wr last year and started playing it. I tried okay. But Ig i'm too used to MLBB that I find it hard to adjust to get used to how Wild Rift works? I thought it's just the same but the equipments and other stuff, I really had a tough time learning them. It feels like I was experementing blindly. Another one that took me out is the feature wherein you cannot build unless you're in the base :,) it's really hassle imo. And a single game could take up to 30 mins or more 😭 so yeah, in almost 3 months of playing it and trying to learn it, I gave up and switch back to mlbb... but then i got busy with college so I stopped playing for over a year. When i got back in late 2022, i still know how to play. Before going back to it, I also tried AOV. i liked it more than WR but the runes confused me so much 🥲 and the heroes are not balanced. I'm really shocked at how op the heroes are esp mages (i'm a mage user btw) even at early game. And another thing that kinda took me out is the players are not that interactive?or maybe that's just on me? Anyways, so at the end, I went back to playing MLBB again, ofc it can be terrible at times too, matchmaking and other stuffs but all of it became bearable bcs of the community, or at least in my circle of mutuals who interact with me and make my gameplay experience more enjoyable. Sorry if this was kinda unrelated to the video, I just wanna share my experiences on 3 games.

[@Dr_Baizhu]

Yooo same, I'm used to playing ml but when i try lol... it's just the quality and gameplay is not it for me. When the character walk or attack it feel too slow for me

[@connordrake5713]

We have same experience too. I'm not really a computer gamer kind of guy so I basically didn't know LOL. Riot gained my sympathy too and I start downloading the game. But after sometimes I felt bored on it and I cannot still understand things in WR despite having many battles on it. I ended up going back to ML because only few of my friends tried to play WR and they came back on ML too. My advice is that RIOT needs to make WR a fast-face game to and a newcomer friendly.

[@markjoshuadollete8252]

Bro you should try Marvel Super War. For me, its better than WR. You can understand it more precisely as well. Graphics wise, it's quite competitive to WR's graphics, it's almost the same. About pacing, I would say it is like MLBB's average time per game. MSW feels like combination of MLBB and WR. Honestly, I don't like MOBA games at all. I'm only hooked with MLBB I don't know why. Maybe because it's what my circles playing, more convenient and more easy. But a very toxic community.

[@markjoshuadollete8252]

In addition, I don't really like MOBA games at all like what I said. But what I'm interested the most is DOTA 2. It's just so happen I'm in a poor fuck country, having a gaming pc is a privilege. That's why MLBB is very popular here, almost everyone can play it in their mobile phones which is cheaper than pcs. Anyway, tho I'm playing MLBB for quite a long time, I'm with Riot for this case. But it is what it is. MLBB is already big.

[@chingtaishi]

@@Dr_Baizhu that’s bcuz of your skill issues

[@vladislavkaras491]

Thanks for the video!

[@rr2r2r2ra]

Riot deserves losing to a copycat after underestimating the mobile market back in 2015 when Tencent offered them to make LoLM. Now they're too late and the game they made is not suitable for mobile gaming and has tons of unwanted features like those poses, baubles and stupid kill effect drops. Plus it has a lot of problems that keeps new players from liking it. 1. Long gameplay time, they're even making it longer by adding inhibitors next patch. 2. Winning is not satisfying but more of a relief after struggling in a long match. 3. It's team oriented and hard to solo carry unlike Mobile Legends which means Solo playing is torture. 4. Matchmaking is rigged to give Solo players an addiction; win-lose-win-lose or will give you win streak just to give you lose streak after x wins. Their algorithm knows which players in the tier sucks and loses most of the time and will team you with them after your win streak to make sure you break your streak and then proceed to team you up with them so you can have your lose streak. 5. Unwanted and useless features which just bloats the file size of the game like poses, baubles and kill effect drops. That running effect is also useless especially when it only works at the beginning of the game. It's no surprise Tencent is releasing their number 1 MOBA after Wild Rift failed in taking down ML (I think HoK will fail as well due to being late). When I heard about the news that they're developing LoLM back then, I thought they were making a sort of AoV/HoK style gameplay but with League of Legends characters and items but instead they made a watered down LoL PC port and that's why this game failed to make ML players switch to their game.

[@wtfface.8790]

*The most important thing* when playing rank is the *bans* and *don't do it.* The characters banned are not OP, but indicates / signifies cause disasters.

[@garygohmusic]

Did Riot forget that they were the original copiers? Or are people too young to remember they basically ripped off DOTA and only recently CS?

[@zhaohuangsfm]

2:07 Touhou LostWord's C3: "Am I being sleeped on again?"

[@YEAOOOOH]

Riot came quite late to the mobile gaming scene and it didn't help that the game pacing in WR is slow which i hoped they've taken a page from MLBB or AOV on how moba on mobile should be paced. I'm still surprised Riot isn't getting sued by Valve with their blatant copy of CSGO as they do the same thing Moonton is doing..hypocrisy at its finest

[@imUmoron]

This makes me upset because I genuinely like playing wild rift more than league. I used to play PC, but found wild rift really fun and accessible for me who now has more responsibilities in my life. I want wild rift to succeed dang it.

[@mrzest6356]

Yup, me too T.T

[@vee.3029]

Sadly I don't see it surpassing ML any time soon unless something drastic happens, the spot ML has just has been cemented for too long

[@mrzest6356]

@@vee.3029 Im thinking Riot's not really just going after dat "mobile moba" space, they're going for the long game, something dat Moonton really lacks since Moonton cud only go mostly mobile in terms of platforms, but ofc there's tv in which they hv done so but yeah mostly mobile

[@mrzest6356]

I hope Riot's long game even in the mobile space works, it might not stop at just WR

[@begobolehsjwjangan2359]

welcome to adulthood and mobile legends bang bang.

[@sonichamburgerspecial692]

Mobile legends has a lot of potential for a game centered around moba. They do not have to steal from riot's league of legends. League for example is inspired by dota, but theres little to no theft. Moonton is just lazy to put in their own ideas into the game and just cares about money. Riot on the other hand cares about their playerbase enough to satisfy them. I never had any complaints with riot (except some bugs in the game and some stupid decisions) but they are doing great imo regarding their creativity.

[@laputaindepestenoire9492]

I agree, but 'theres little to no theft' rn bcus years ago there was, lets see how mlbb will envolve, it might end up creating its own stuff without copying

[@nushia7192]

Its a moba, not even league was even original.

[@Meow_Meow_Hurts_Real_Bad]

Um, Riot did copy lots of fundamental elements in DoTA (or DoTA 2), look up the Pendragon Incident, though unfortunately most of the evidence had been erased by some of the Riot executives/employees.

[@threefs2082]

@@Meow_Meow_Hurts_Real_Bad The Only core evidence being sued

[@darkren88]

@@swordmaster305 yes. bcoz it doesnt mean that the people from dota going to LOL does not mean they have the right to copy dota

[@codem5285]

MLBB built a massive playerbase and will continue to grow more, they're so good the players don't care about copying Leage of Legends, they satisfy almost all the players wants on a moba game, they also offer good services and the developers listens to the community. Personally I think Mobile Legends deserves this and it's League of Legends fault for not releasing a mobile version and their only way to make up for it is to sue MLBB

[@experimentx5286]

As a person who plays mobile legends, yes, there are a lot of similarities between the two games but to be fair the game now is making some good and original stuff that one wouldn't really think that they are the same anymore. Moonton did mess up in the past for basically copy-pasting League Of Legends but now it is very different. Not really defending Moonton but only saying what i see

[@CYAFOLKS]

Agreed

[@ibangeverything902]

The new hero literally has irelia skill with the fusion of yone and varus

[@radyza6909]

@@ibangeverything902 yep, but i think league should've just focus on their game and ignore moonton at this point. Suing them wouldn't do much tbh

[@_simplejared_1992]

@@radyza6909 yeh its useless giving attention nonstop to ur copycat 💀 they should focus on promoting their game at the point it can outclass ML but its also their fault lol

[@radyza6909]

@@_simplejared_1992 ikr

[@hanikapalafox3331]

The thing is I believe that Moonton could create ORIGINAL characters, but they choose to go down this road. I like the gameplay of heroes like Kagura, whose mechanics I can't find in any other MOBA. I believe that since ML was the one of the first to make this type of game accessible to mobile players, they pretty much know how to make heroes that feel natural on the phone (though sadly even if some are copies of the original.) I've tried WR, but I found myself going back to ML because the controls just felt more natural, and each hero in ML makes you interact with the interface in a different way unlike WR which simply tries to incorporate their PC champions' skills into mobile.

[@landewesttm2931]

Unluckily even Kagura is stolen from league...

[@warrecaps]

Kagura is Orianna in League , the skills are desame.

[@indianflippingart9593]

@@warrecaps but the designs are different and not all skills are same

[@sleepisgood2936]

Kagura isnt even original the original is oriana

[@landewesttm2931]

@@sleepisgood2936 Yep

[@alyasVictorio]

Aside from that case in this video, there's a breaking news of a (completely) different case when Moonton got estimated $31,000 as they won their defamation lawsuit against Tencent for fragile misinformation that made MPL Indonesia to be held. I can't believe that Tencent did it, but as what this news stated, it is what it is. To be fair, regardless of this prize being small from biggest company (Tencent), Moonton's earnings (specially per year) is already higher which is ok for them as their justice and/or reputation restored from that defamation.

[@skill_issuesmo7367]

whats MPL?

[@shininghikario5258]

​@@skill_issuesmo7367 A tournament where teams in their countries compete each other to qualify for international tournaments such as msc and the M tournaments.

[@SuntulaOrange]

I would love to play Wild rift but the thing is it's almost been 2 years and i am still pre register phase like whens the game coming after gta 6?

[@MindFreak-dm9vu]

Game been out for two years now😂

[@Valome_Virtual_Gravedigger]

Yea don't worry bout the guy above, I also can't download WR here

[@Lftarded]

​@@Valome_Virtual_Gravediggerthat goes to show how wildrift isn't popping off... Worldwide accessibility