Why is South Africa considering taking land away from white farmers?

In February, parliament passed a motion to review the expropriation of land without compensation
Guests:
Siphesihle Jele, Secretary-General of Black First Land First
Thomas Walters, Deputy Chairman of the DA Federal Council
David Conolly, Farmer Centenary Farm Figtree, Zimbabwe
Oliver Dickson, Political analyst
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[@conoba]

I bet the land will go to the relatives of party members. Not to the poor.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

You will be right.

[@kensonking8044]

Africans are not greedy by nature. The rising tide will lift all ships eventually.

[@katlegokingrantsetse9568]

From a black African: I second this comment!

[@paultremblay4836]

MainsOnTheOhmsRange No they will sell it to the Chinese, Indians. It's all planned by China Russia, it's part of this new cold war. South Africa should be boycotted by America, Australia, England and Europe after they finish the expropriation

[@NegSteLucie]

MainsOnTheOhmsRange Have you no love for party members ? Lol

[@kirstinstrand6292]

This is pure madness. How will the land produce food without knowledgable producers?

[@denniscliff2071]

No one wants to address the reality that the average IQ score of indigenous South Africans is 72. This fact is not amenable to any modification or change. This is what makes primitive cultures primitive.

[@wideawake1094]

Zimbabwe: Charitable Food Donations is their largest Gross Domestic Import. Go figure.

[@NegSteLucie]

Wide Awake Zim will soon be back on track, don't worry yourself.

[@michaelkelleher862]

Wide Awake What is important here is not the appropriation of land without compensation. What is important any is how this land will be redistributed and what conditions and responsibilities and accountabilities are attached to those who receive the appropriated lands. Because South Africa needs to feed itself then it is obvious that the only successful way to do this is by commercial farming methods. I think the issue is a political red herring because South Africa is becoming an increasingly urbanized country. The policy of appropriation of land without compensation will not interest an urban society. If the EFF get their way then the land will be appropriated to the State not to South African farmers. We have seen how poor black peoples savings were misappropriated from VBS and re- distributed to others including EFF politicians through a series of corrupt mechanisms. If the redistribution focus becomes redistribution to subsistence farmers then not enough food will be produced to feed the city populations. So what will happen then? If the commercial farming expertise flees the country , what next? The potential outcomes are not being addressed. The land redistribution is not a panacea for South Africa’s problems, that has been tried unsuccessfully elsewhere. South Africa is a capitalist economy with a communist style of governance. The dichotomy is self-evident. By the way I am an Irish man living in Cape Town, I don’t own property here so I have an independent, detached out of the box view of the situation. In my view education is the key. The system here is designed to keep people ill informed and overly dependent on the whims of a corrupt state. People are kept uneducated for a political purpose. The country is an amalgam of several countries, a colonial designed entity. In another fifteen to twenty years it will disintegrate like the former Yugoslavia into seven or more independent states. For now South Africa is a geographical description. If he government was serious in 1994 then society being delineated by color descriptors would have been done away with (it is still there on official forms and concealed within identification numbers). The country should have been renamed Mzansi. Most towns and cities have extensive areas euphemistically referred to as “informal settlements” largely inhabited by people fleeing the rural areas in search of a better life. For example the huge number from Eastern Cape crowding into places like Cape Town and Johannesburg ( they want service delivery not land redistribution as conceived by ANC-EFF). The real needs of this country need to be addressed not the placebo policies being propounded to distract the lesser educated from the real issues.

Michael Kelleher 👏👏👏👏👏 well said .. you’re not “ just an Irishman living in Cape Town “ you’re a very well informed Irishman with a very rational and leave view

[@St1kyFinguz]

Looks like South Africa's going on the Venezuela North Korea diet.

[@ottersirotten4290]

Zimbabwe was an export Nation for Food, then they kicked out the white Farmers and have a Famine until now. SA go for it! if Africa need one thing, its surly another failed state

[@hardytall8386]

And they will remain in famine

[@xhalanga]

It is because of the demonic West. Punishing Zimbabwe with sanctions because they don't want them to have their own land. Basically Africans must pay a huge price for being free and owning what's ours. Lift the sanctions and see if we can't be there by ourselves. I encourage South Africans to do the same and take back what's theirs.

[@mizzmini45]

Your time is up colonizers. You will be the one in famine now with the new world African global order

[@greg669]

Did any of them think about working and buying land? None of the land will end up going to the poor South Africans, just the families of the politians

[@cucaftf]

Didnt you know that during apartheid the blacks could not buy land? Research before you make yourself look foolish with these types of comments.

[@iheartlreoy8134]

Mike F this is only a way for the elite to grab power stupid fool

[@ntombiendlovu9392]

Are they willing to sell land idiot?

[@heaty007]

The country is too big for that. And if you say that what's your alternative? Leave it with the invaders?

[@iheartlreoy8134]

heaty007 they grew up there same as you dumbass stop whining

[@RealityGutPunch]

Crazy how they haven't learned from Zimbabwe being it was so recent

[@Peter-sj3zi]

Why not use a high land tax rate to deal with the land issue? The key is to keep the original manager of the land, who can maintain the productivity of the land. A change of the manager of the land could destroy the value of the land.

[@user-sb3sn8di1s]

how did the original land owner come by it?

[@mikemudimba5531]

8:17 OMG I can't believe my ears. This guy thinks Zimbabwe was the victim? I am black and Zambian and I can't believe my ears

[@fotohpaul2080]

BLF secretary general is foolish and factless

[@jennifergeorge7280]

Can't wait until the billion dollar Rand bill comes out!

[@peterkiss1204]

Want to be a billionaire? Just exchange your pocket money to Rand! :D

[@groberts5337]

let it fall who care people are suffering now

[@Bulmer39]

ANC = Already Need Charity.

[@ashwynn4177]

ANC- All Numbskull Crooks

[@Aviationgeek21]

You both are dumb

[@GundrakMafia]

I heard someone say Then the land should be returned? in the state it was when it was taken?. Lets be fair :). And i totally agree tare down everything the white man did and leave it as it was before the white man came... see how long black men take rebuild.....

[@skindo14]

I agree with you, tear it down the way it was and also all the I'll wealth accumulated should be destroyed too. Hope you agree with me?

[@GundrakMafia]

yeah just leave some thatch for a couple huts

[@kewintaylor7056]

Wait....who will pay for the "tare down all"cost? -..-' The white?lol

[@GundrakMafia]

id gladly tare it done for free and leave the rubble for them to clear lol

[@blackintellect777]

BigmacSmallFires & skindo skindo: I see where you work (Low IQ)......Do you two work together? .of course you two need to read and travel.....Our strong, smooth skin, black velvet MEN, may they come in their melanin skin of different shades who stand in the presence of the "SUN" I bow to them.......resilience people who built the pyramid, the WHITE HOUSE who had their own town called "THE BLACK WALLSTREET, we are neurosurgeon, top optometrist and people would come from different countries to have their cataracts removed, nurses, basketball and football players, tennis players and swimmers the list goes on and on," until your colonizers (#1) murderers destroyed all of that. The Colonizers continues today as the #1 Terrorist in America......you do know that the #1 Terrorist is the WHITE-MEN? ……think........3Ms=< Money, Machine guns, and no Motives. The Colonizers will chose their dogs before their kids.....Killers of the schools..............Remember........BLACK MEN are dominate in nature....that is why your scientist is studying to see why is that? .READ....... THIS LESSON WILL NOT BE IN THE HISTORY BOOKS.....BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN....... WHITE-WASHED......

[@jontibloom]

Just look the Zimbabwe "Model" to see what land grabs to for the agricultural economy

[@genowynn9273]

They obviously haven't learnt from what happened in Zimbabwe Ruins!

[@tomjeffersonwasright2288]

Why does the government of South Africa, which is one of the most developed in Africa, have no money to pay the farmers for their land? Where is the tax Money? There were millions for Zuma and his mansions? Where is the Government tax money?

[@georgekatogiritis7355]

TomJeffersonWasRight its all in a black hole

[@holgerbehrens186]

As much as I lament the capitalist system, I have to admit that it is far better than the Marxist approach. Therefore it is the system that is prevailing over the world. Thus to stick your head into the sand and say we will proceed regardless the consequences is flawed. South Africa is not in a vacuum. It will have the same outcome as Zimbabwe. My concern is the population growth in South Africa. It has roughly tripled since 1960. Without commensurate growing of infrastructure like schools, hospitals and growth in the economy it will always result in a disaster. Land grabbing certainly will have no positive effect on this. So far the ANC strategy has resulted in keeping people poor and enslaved to the government's handouts. It has become unsustainable and now a breakdown is almost unavoidable. We need a constructive implementation of a economic growth program. I do not see the political capacity to do so. What compounds this problem is the numerous African examples of utter corruption which makes international aid unlikely. So the people of South Africa are doomed to grasp at straws like land grabbing and radical economic Transformation which political leaders dream up to garner support, which sadly will lead to the demise of the country. And then conveniently whites will be blamed for it. It is most ironic that the very whites that are blamed are simply setting an example of how to achieve growth and prosperity by studying, working hard and ensuring a virtuous cycle in their families. It just has to be emulated. If one looks at what results are achieved in our schools that cycle has not started. Again one has to question who is to blamed for that.

[@carlosbodie9487]

Communism was only practiced in theory, it never could get going, because just like capitalism that has to constantly feed on acquisition of property, human resources and constant interventions of governments to exist. Its not an either or situation, we can choose none .Capitalism as we know it today started when the Western European country decided to colonize the world in the 15th century. All the so-called successful governments were prosperous because of their illegal accumulation of others territories and free human labor. In its present form, without its barbaric and rapacious nature , that has to constantly feed, like its evil twin Communism it will become a relic of the past.

[@keithdavies1395]

Obviously influenced by the great success in Zimbabwe

[@mgtowlegion652]

this man keeps talking about the economy in Zimbabwe was under attack through economic santions. maybe that's true but that isnt a excuse for the ppl of Zimbabwe for the starving.the land is there,plant something and feed the ppl. economic santions dont stop ppl from working the land.

[@no_peace]

If you cut off American farmers' bank accounts, American people would starve. Any country that relies on modern farming equipment to feed people needs access to repair and replacement of equipment and supplies

[@ottersirotten4290]

Zimbabwe/Rodesia under white Leadership were sanctioned becouse of Apardheid but they produced stupidly high amounts of food

[@sevenscounty409]

otter sir otten bollocks.

[@mokhethoamabilane7091]

we can plant but we are not on market. there is no money circulation.

[@theonlytruth9614]

Money is the noose Europeans uses to stifle and hold the world hostage, not forgetting their white American families who plays his big bully role. Why is America great?. Answer= by holding the weal< hostages with their weapons of mass destruction. The moment African all turns their backs on that criminal the better they will become. Imperialism and capitalism are cold machines that doesn't care about who are what they crushes. Pretty much the mentality of the people in these developed countries who are worried about their own asses. They don't care about the people of Africa.

[@LaSeleccionArgentina]

Zimbabwe 2.0

[@winolowardichelli2850]

Chupamedias

[@toasty369]

My bigger question is why is it every time politicians start to lose their grip, there always seems to be this other 'bigger' issue that comes up and needs to be addressed.

[@giovannigavassino1047]

Zimbabwe 2.0 is coming

[@4555joe]

That’s apartheid in reverse and the outcome will bes disaster For the country have they learn anything from Zimbabwe???

[@Jiidwag]

Take that stolen land back!!! Look at what WHITES did to New Zealand, North America, Argentina, Australia, and Hawaii---WHITES have not given back the stolen land like 99% of it!!!

[@grof5768]

Phahaha... for poverty in Zimbabwe is blame EU and the west. But the EU and the west didn't take their land they still can work on their land but they don't know how to farm on their land!

[@sagansrun2932]

The world needs to boycott anything coming from South Africa.

[@komma795]

I think you don't know South Africa they have more minerals world needs 😏

[@scottmcdaniel9282]

New Detroit in the making

[@lewimcpherson9276]

Those Afrikaan farmers should dismantle everything and leave it as it was found, an old field -move on and find somewhere else to live.

[@brianmolele7264]

YUP but they must restore our ecosystem and return our minerals, Gold and Diamonds.

[@NegSteLucie]

LEWI MCPHERSON Good riddance! Get going already!

[@lewimcpherson9276]

It was barren land that was converted, whatever was mined was not used by the inhabitants anyway, so what difference does it make?

[@lewimcpherson9276]

Yes, they should leave. Do you know what happened to many beautiful farms? destroyed homes and smashed up all the farming machinery !! its obvious what will happen to the farmed land, overgrown tip in a few years. It never occurred to them that they could live in the houses.

[@bridneykgaphola3855]

It is blacks who build up the farms

[@Nuurto3785]

"Go back to Africa does that sound familiar"

[@wideawake1094]

Cut off all food aid to Africa.

[@no_peace]

To Africa? The continent? Lol

[@chim7741]

I don't think people know how much food is exported out to Africa

[@AG-fg1uk]

Good, let's cut off our natural resources and watch your western economies crumble.

[@blackintellect777]

Wide Awake: ...What a heart........you must be and Evangelical........

[@578sundriedAZ]

We do here in America.

[@cougartpt793]

Sell now and move to oz farmer Are always welcome here

[@danielbelezzuoli8206]

It makes my head spin that the BLF gentleman believes that Zimbabwe failed due to attacks and outside forces. If that is so, why would a nation known as the breadbasket of Africa not be able to produce enough food for it's people. It was an internal problem and not an outside one. That's like if someone knowingly drank poison and blamed someone else for getting ill.

[@luv2phuk]

If land would be seized from the black SA,this would not even be a debate it would be considered as done

[@linda2468lou]

I am no fortune teller so I'll guess at the future of South Africa: Starvation.

[@andrewholt7075]

You can not remove "dignity" from a person and give it to another.

[@shadehadagaming9892]

Like how white America stole dignity, inventions, lives, land, and people🤔

[@Jitsuman]

Half way through it really hit me how dumb this is. Regardless of whether or not it's racist there was another African country that did the same thing and collapsed. Not only that but the farmer told of a similar situation that happened where his farm collapsed because of it. But the SA man is convinced that his country can only fall from economic attacks not terrible economic decisions. Even the moderator was getting irritated cause he was talking to a brick wall.

[@joshroy3205]

I would just like to ask if you take the land for farming or mining for example what is your plan do you have the investment behind you for machinery for staff payment or for processing cost? Just out of curiosity because of the stats say 90% of land taken by the state has failed to perform , what will happen if all the land is taken

[@wavmanipulator]

I have watched so many interviews on this topic with the people wanting the FREE Land. Not one has ever mentioned that they want to be a Farmer....let that sink in for a second

[@brianmolele7264]

Land means dignity and farming our own land in case you don't follow EFF.

[@phuckyall6079]

Berlin conference and South African 1913 Native Land Act.

[@brianmolele7264]

Its because of the wars whites started in Africa, For example the oils in North Western Nigeria where the French colonized and capitalized the countries there by stealing resources and leaving the countries devastated and you get the US withing the Nigerian Oil gulf which caused war between the government and the freedom rebels who fight to claim back the resources back. The whites take advantage of the leaders by creating conspiracy between the natives by manipulating the system to their advantage which is what we call State Capture. White man creates chaos wherever he goes. Those who crossing the desert are running away from wars of the whites are creating in Africa. Your CIA, MI6 and all these other so called Mercenaries are causing rift between the governments and their people by sabotaging and staging events like that 911. You still think Bin Laden did it?

[@ilovethisworld3059]

I hear you about talking about constitution, legal property rights..... but I don't hear you talking about the farm murders.... more than 400 last year....

[@Teddypally]

The arguments seems to be missing a few points. To set the context, we adjust the perspective to land use, and not land ownership that is at issue. For example, if a landlord won't rent out land because keeping it off the market lowers the supply and maintains the price of the existing land (some of which is his) on the market. In capitalism, this is both good and bad. Good because it prevents land from being tied up in unneeded production; and bad because it creates a barrier into the market for all production requiring land. This is generally resolved by producers, moving parts of their production to another market where land, or other resources are not as limited. A country that seeks to attract these parts of the production has to make their own land less limited. That is what drives the seizures of land. However, this only transfers the management of land resources to the Government. There's no discussion of what they intend to do with the land. They might end up managing the land as poorly as the current owners. That is what appears to be missing from this discussion.

[@tomtomi8067]

They never stole the land the land was barren, empty and desolate at the time of the European colonisation of South Africa apart from some nomadic gather Hunter tribes and the Zulu nation which was situated to the extreme north of the country.

[@ceciliaadrio1462]

Yes I certainly believe that it"l be disastrous if our farmers have to give up their effecient farms ..God help us..

[@mgtowlegion652]

zimbabwe is asking some white farmers to come back because of what i said below. you would think that the ppl in south Africa would see how all this didn't work in Zimbabwe and not do it.but apparently they want to starve

[@kensonking8044]

James Hedstrom Nice try. See yourself out.

[@fixthings2474]

James Hedstrom Zimbabwe didn't economically decline because of politics, it economically declined because of foreign debt to European kleptocratic banks, politicians do not control money, bankers control money, and these banks are all run in europe, former workers at the world bank have even admitted that the world bank directly controls and chooses the state of all economies globally.The most mind blowing and infuriating thing is that Africa feeds Europe, America and many others, not the other way around, that's what the dependency is for, to loot Africa and blame it on them with your oversimplified fictitious media narrative. White bankers created global poverty, they control the global financial system, it is rigged in the favor of pale skinned nations, and at the detriment of resource rich nations (tropical nations) which are looted to feed pale skin nations, that's why virtually all resource rich nations ( tropical nations) are 3rd world, because they are being looted and put in debt, the international banks control all governments via extortion, there is no country on earth that is autonomous from the international banks, every country is under Vatican law which proclaims ownership over land, 82% of African land is owned by western corperations, African governments are puppets who are forced to cooperate to the economic enslavement of their countries, if they don't they are assassinated by the CIA with a coup and replaced, the IMF and the world bank caused all of Africa's poverty by forcing them into debt by accepting loans that are disguised as generous charity donations, the loans don't even go to the countries economy they go to western parasitic multinational corperations like Glencore, Shell, Bp that are draining Africa of her resources and are handing them to china to be mass produced into all the gadgets everyone takes for granted, China makes a big profit from this because they are pale skinned and whites use them as their obedient servants against the melanated people of the world (which is why dark skin countries are all poor) Africa is left in debt slavery white bankers steal 61 Billion dollars from Africa through this diabolical evil extortion. Even the former president of France Jaques Chirac admitted publically that France would be a 3rd world nation without stealing the resources and debt money from Africa, there is a reason the most resource rich countries are the poorest because they are hotbeds, cashcows and gold mines for western countries to milk that cow till it is dry and depleted. And then will use their control over the media to smokescreen the whole thing and blame it on the cow they drained, just like all energy vampires and sociopaths do. It is always the behavior of an abuser to cling to the person they are abusing, when that abused person has finally realized that the abusive relationship has done nothing but cause suffering and degradation for them and they make the sane and rational decision to leave, that's when the abuser begins to become enraptured in animalistic territorial fear and will beat his chest making fear/ego driven fantasized claims that the abused person is nothing without them, dictating to them that they should never leave them and that the abused person needs the abuser and will never succeed without being dependent on the abuser. This is the behaviour of an emotional vampire, and that's what whites relationship with blacks have been throughout history, whites have always tried so hard to convinced black people that slavery was good for them by lying to them that they built nothing and came from a jungle living like animals, they convinced them that, being beaten raped, tortured and traumatized and forced to waste their entire lives and childrens lives working to feed their rapists, torturers abusers, and oppressors was good for them, that is the sociopathic mentality of the white supremacist devil. Blacks have proven they could build successful communities black wallstreet, the Mali empire, the countless prosperous civilized precolonial African civilizations that white supremacists want to delude themselves into believing did not exist because their self esteem and emotional pleasure depends on trying to degrade black people and make them feel ashamed of themselves, to worship whites and to be dependent, docile and without self esteem, without pride in themselves, that is the obsession and pathology of white people as a unit, not individually, but as a collective, it is also the pathology of a sociopathic emotional vampire who feeds on the negative emotions of others in order for them to feel pride, a creature that cannot thrive without degrading others, whenever women get into these kinds of abusive relationships, it turns out they are better without the abusive man that constantly tells them they're ugly, they're loosers, they can't be successful without them etc, white people constantly feel the need to try to convince black people that they are worthless, even when history proves they're not which is why you either ignore history or fabricate it to support your hate/fear/ego driven pathology, every time black people have been independent from white people they succeed and build stable communities, with no starvation,no disease, no homelessness, starvation, disease, homelessness, none of that existed before whites took over Africa economically, that's why white people destroyed black civilizations, destroyed black wallstreets and rosewood and engineered black poverty worldwide by forcing black people to be dependent on the global western financial system, whites follow blacks everywhere they go, there is nowhere on earth large groups of skilled black people will go where white governments won't follow them to make them debt slaves, every African leader that tried to get out of the western stranglehold has been toppled by the CIA. But if you tell the truth whites will try to use fake self righteous rhetoric like "you're just being a victim, you're not taking accountability for your own leaders" an abuser will never admit to even being involved with the plight of their abused, they will always blame the condition they forced them in on their victim so that they can always beat their chest in arrogance.

[@theo2fly]

Fixthings247 there it is

[@bhondexderothschild1556]

Fixthings247 you're too much

[@NegSteLucie]

Fixthings247 Well said my brother!!

[@ljperie6055]

Dear god, so even Zimbabwe was the white wests fault? What the hell is wrong with these people?

[@markpickett4403]

There going to destroy what is left of the farmland 😮

[@gerrald5272]

Africa and South africa needs to take the land and build an economy that is independent of Europe and America.

[@scott5358]

isn't that what is being tried out now ?

[@stenleynortelus7381]

gerrald You're totally right and I believe it will take a form of Pan Africanism to to propel this forward.

[@stenleynortelus7381]

Mohammad was illiterate Save the White Supremacy/Black Inferiority rethoric. This system of White Supremacy has made you ignorant to what Africans have contributed to Mankind. I won't waste my time with you, you sound like racist.

[@fotohpaul2080]

True? and where do they go to look for investors on daily basis?

[@thomasjhenniganw]

You are crazy. What other coutry has even done that. They have learned nothing from what happened in Zimbwabe.The statistics demonstrate the enormous increase of poverty among blacks in SA after the end of apartheid. Besdies, what is the use of giving land to people who haven't a clue how to farm it? It is madness.

[@theostanley2239]

The farmer from Zimbabwe just confirmed what the representative of BLF said. "The BANKS sabotaged the farming process by denying finance".

[@ingridluyt7538]

Theodore....banks grant finance on COLLATERAL. No title deed, no finance. GOTTIT?

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Not at all. Why would a bank give loans to people who don't have private property rights? Not a smart plan to give someone a loan to start a farm when that person might not have that farm next year and have no way to pay back the loan. These SA blacks who want confiscation need to learn that nothing is free in life.

[@dlamardeyoutoube]

And imagine that...some people who are for seizing land think that they will use the land for mining. The most capital intensive business with no way of differenciation. That simply theft from poor uneducated people that will end badly for everyone.

[@blackintellect777]

The African: We knew that would happen, The colonizers never changed their spots and are still doing that to the Farmers in the USA....the black farmers bought their seeds to plant and not one (1) plant grew. These smart farmers took the remaining seeds to the lab only to be told it was not real seeds (imitation seeds). You see the game and how the colonizers sabotage the black farmers so they can become frustrated and lose their land. Esau people are very dangerous they seek to destroy lives......

[@francoisstander5355]

David Miles no thats just super super ignorance.but she made a good point the"farmers" couldnt even regognise that it was fake seeds🤣

[@DaudeBernardoNamuanga7]

Land grabs followed resistance to legalize appropriation in Zim, I don’t support BLF but that guy is point on. Sabotage the economy to set an example

[@FuNkT0iD]

Without compensation = land grab

[@joycejackson9315]

No it should not be legal. it's land theft for sure. I hope when the farmers leave they take every deed, every stem from the ground and burn the crops behind them. poor farmers. God be with you farm community's.

[@chim7741]

Joyce Jackson no no no can't touch food or water it was already there now heavy equipment yes but they won't be able to take it

[@joycejackson9315]

John doe. I'm saying if they go they should burn it and let the new owners start with nothing. then they will get what is there's. dust to dust, ash to ashes. revenge best served up cold.

[@ottersirotten4290]

No need to smash anything down, the new owners will do it by them self :D Just like saying "give Bricks to whites and they build a City. Give a City to blacks and they build Bricks"

[@entityunknown8243]

No they should keep their land Even though i am black South African but i feel that it is wrong to remove them from their land because we shouldn't be making the same mistake twice Just look at what happened to Zimbabwe their economy fell and we dont want that happening

[@blackintellect777]

EnTiTy UnKnOwN82: Your message is very disappointing coming from a South African. If you read the BIBLE you will have known that the deeds of the white ancestors will not go unpunished and when you (whites) live by the sword by killing, raping, hanging, stealing of land and claiming they are privileged and entitled, they will die by the sword. Your feelings/emotions? what about your feelings/emotions when it comes to the indigenous ancestors children who was told that their land was stolen by the colonizer.

[@P5ykoOHD]

I'd go scorched earth before leaving. Rather destroy everything I had done than hand it over in working condition to those people ... actions have consequences, abuse like that should end in starvation for the morons pushing to achieve it. And no, the "others who are not pushing for it" deserve the same fate, as they're clearly not fighting against it happening. They can restart from the ashes and do all the work themselves.

[@Bobtubeau]

Africa has no hope

[@joefarmer5612]

Everyone should boycott south African products

[@shaneclk9854]

look at what feminism have caused

[@R.U.1.2.]

You're scared of women???

[@chrismarshall6647]

Farmers know how to farm the land properly others do not and South Africa could find itself short of food very quickly

[@drum-addict]

what is sad... how much do you need to earn or what must your financial status be to receive the land?

[@boobunn4151]

south africa belongs to the koisan not the bantu invaders.

[@philemonnakedi8848]

South Africa belongs to Africans without sub category. Khoi and San are African.That sub category are your stories of divide and rule.

[@bedwinnersmaluleke6206]

Actually koisans never owned nk land coz they never stayed on one place.. so hold ur horses

[@bedwinnersmaluleke6206]

@john patterson the situation in South Africa is the way it is because even after the freedom some most white people still wanna live like they still in those dark days. If we really wanna be one people we have to start by sharing... blacks are just free but yet still they have nothing. We are boxes in small spaces with not even a space to plant a tree. Most good places naturally are owned by whites. I mean where is the sharing there.

[@bedwinnersmaluleke6206]

@john patterson your right about that. But what about the land that they have which they not using for agriculture. Not all the land they have is being used. I mean why not share that??? They say blacks are thieves and so on but that how they have what they have. Yes their grannies stole the land not them so if their are not their grannies let them swallow the colour pride and return some of the land so we can establish ourselves. We cant depend on them forever we need to start empowering ourselves with things that they never allowed us to learn. My forefathers were moved by force out of the place called Kruger national park now. They lost their live stock and their home so a park can be made which never benefited them. I dont wanna be rude but Africa never saw a need for national parks because we used to live with animals no problem. But white man come and suddenly we need fances for animals. Fances means division which is their best tactic. Black people have a weakness of love too much, we always welcoming and that is what made us to lose a lot coz some people mistaken kindness for weakness.

[@syphlexsyphlex762]

It is funny how blacks claim they were in South Africa before the whites. The Khoi and San tribes were not black.

[@brianmolele7264]

the lies you tell yourself colonizer.

[@willieyarde9137]

Syphlex Syphlex what were they you dog

[@MrBigblacksock]

Finally, someone who knows African history. But they will just say its their continent.

[@putikboy]

Equality, Justice and Fairness, when majority of your politicians starts repeating these words, that's the time to sell everything and leave. Are there any smart Black SA in that country, they should know where this is heading. This is Zimbabwe 2.0 in the making.

[@gfxfilms2012]

The first black guy is well spoken and delivers the real issue and what is really going on. Clear and true. Good job. The second black guy was brought in when they realized the first black guy was too edjucated to argue with.

[@darkillius1]

It's a blessing for the blacks to be able to occupy their own land so now the whites can open farms in the Netherlands 🇳🇱

[@therakwaza]

South Africa is sending a strong msg across the World,just watch it grow slowly

[@coachjoachimroomaney793]

All the ANC presidents stole so much, that the altaritive has been exhausted? Let first put the criminals of parliament in jail and then we can talk , that's what we not talking about, This is a cover up to keep Zuma out of jail.

[@nattabaako8305]

Just pack up and leave, you came with nothing and you will leave just like you came.

[@brianscott-dawkins6528]

I was born here.

[@geoffdein2894]

Let them have it. Get out of there. Just remember, think twice before donating to them in the future when they screw up the farming and beg for food. They are not farmers, they are mud hut wanderers hunters and gatherers. In their core they are lazy

[@bakarykandeh8312]

The whole land should be government land and if you want to farm it, you can lease it, for the number of years you want to farm

[@davemiles3062]

Dont be a idiot your whole life look at sabc Railways Ect Get lost

[@bakarykandeh8312]

@@davemiles3062 you may not like what said but that's your business,the land belongs to native South Africans and that's black people,so be it if that's didn't sit well with you.

[@davemiles3062]

@@bakarykandeh8312 land belongs to those that have title deads Unless you want the land to become useless and worthless

[@davemiles3062]

@@bakarykandeh8312 sit and rotate if you do you cursing youre own descendants There is no free for all

[@rickravenrumney]

Who is responsible for paying off the bank loans and mortgages that almost every farm has to cover operating costs, feed Bill's. Seed and fertilizer and equiptment loans. After the land is seized will the farmers still have to pay off the loans? This is when Blacks will learn that freedom isn't free and neither is land ownership. After farms. Thet have are going after private homes. We are talking hundreds of billion in Rand here. This is what's ultimately going to lead to the fall and Civil War in South Africa. Who decides who gets what and how much? So are they going to make all whites non citizens? What about blacks from other parts of Africa? Are people from Are citizens from the CAR or Kenya going to get land? Do u just need to black? What about blacks from the states or Europe? Cam they have land from SA too? After all it is being said you just need to be black to get land.

[@wideawake1094]

EFF - Expediting Food Famine

[@byttlejuice145]

As an African, the whites who bought land and have proof should be left alone, they are benefiting the nation and good citizens. The ones who live on land seized from black people during apartheid however, should be distributed between the blacks, and those young white generation as well, since they didnt participate in apartheid. We wouldn't want to kick them out, they are part of us now too. Then from there own we can learn to respect one another and hopefully live peacefully. Message to my black people: We are better than them, there is no need to hate these new white south african generation for what their ancestors did, as long as they are not arrogant about it, we can just move on and try to build a better South Africa, Africa for us all.

[@blackintellect777]

Ekki Yaa: I understand your viewpoint....the Bible do state, at the moment I can not recall the exact scripture, paraphrasing........it states: " you will pay for the deeds of your forefather" may it be good or bad.............

[@larryvaughn314]

Everytime white man wants to do something he does it without any considerations. But when the same thing is about to be done to him then he turns around nd make himself cheated nd wants the heans nd the earth nurse his wounded heart. So hypocritical. The only time it is wrong is when it is done to him nd his coleagues

[@hugopapenfus6186]

It is because they have the meaning of "Wealth" all wrong... they want land to have wealth? If you have the land you still need to understand how to, and actually have to work the land... Wealth is NOT measured in things and stuff like land.... wealth is also NOT measured in currency.... WEALTH IS MEASURED IN TIME!

[@kenbar8390]

Bankers, don't give loans to people that live in bad neighborhoods.

[@selfemancipation7967]

your compensation is in the forgiveness of all the innocent blood your foreparents shed

[@pietercoetzee8690]

Obviously not enough!

[@MrBigblacksock]

Does this include the blacks? Since, you obviously know, the Bantu, Nguni, Zulu were the first to spread from the extreme east of Africa to the west and south. Genociding the indigenous nomads that "owned" that area...the Khoisan (who were not really black but brown). You also know that they openly traded with the Dutch and British favorably. There was no one in South Africa until the Dutch/Boers settled it. Forget the black/leftist propaganda go to the library and READ.

[@eltonlewis4979]

didn't the whites cease the lands in colonial times too without consideration of the native africans.....?

[@Manunido]

xian xu mostly unpopulated except for the Khoisans who actually lived peacefully with the Dutch

[@ntandocele]

lol peacefully?

[@xianxu137]

Man Unido , Vast area in Africa are still unoccupied. The claims are usually something like " Our village of 75 people claim 500 miles in each direction of our village. We owned this land for 1000 years." People see what others have built and in true Marxist fashion want to take it for themselves.

[@henrika1647]

elton lewis nope not in SA, the black people that today live in South Africa arrived after the dutch settlers had settled down

[@JohnWilliams-yi1tz]

xian xu of course it was populated they killed all the Blacks. You better go and reread your history Sir. Let's follow that path of so-called logic. They arrived in Africa and find a piece of land that doesn't have any blacks on it. Please remember borders and countries are a modern day Western construction. The original inhabitants of that land aka the Africans never ever governed the Lands and people under the rules of the United Nations before the Conquest of colonialisation by outsiders.

[@TheTankdawg3]

TIMES UP

[@billsmith7575]

I was asked the other day today to donate to The starving children of Africa I sent him a box of condoms

[@abbasmarla]

They are not taking it "a way" as you said, but they taking it "back"

[@caprovinevoerkraal4018]

Nope, they intend to take away land and other stuff, they never owned. It's pure theft and parasitism they want to practice.

[@spencer23dollars34]

The Artman how would you like it if the Europeans started confiscating things from black Europeans? Under the premise this is european stuff for European people? Well the sensible none racist people (which isn’t you) would say these black people living here ARE Europeans. But the other way around, apparently, white people cannot be Africans. What you just said is something Hitler himself would be proud of

[@TheQuranExplainsItself]

Spencer 23 Dollars because the black folks came to Europe the same way Europeans came to Africa. Disgusting manipulation attempt

[@tamasgyori2399]

Only the koi San can claim,not the Bantu,because the Bantu migrations arrived AFTER the whites,where were the Bantu in 1497

[@saywhat8515]

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, watch how fast it disappears.

[@ChampionOfCinder]

by that logic , more than half of SA should be owned by the khoisan(the true natives of SA) , yet they get little to no attention from the ANC , they make no sense

[@pop20rollin]

HOW ABOUT IF I GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND CONTROL EVERYTHING IN IT ..... HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

[@ThePbZepplin]

The 'alternatives were ineffective' because of failures in ANC leadership. It's sad to see the path South Africa is taking. We can all agree that drastic change is needed, but our constitutional framework has been internationally recognised as really good. So we need to improve implementation rather than policy.

[@ntandocele]

it's really sad,democracy fails everyone here white and black.Masses of poor people who will never be represented by any foreign media have it the worst

[@illzaoosthuizen9141]

No farmer.....no food

[@pankin25]

Zimbabwe was under sanction nothing to do with land.

[@sidecar7714]

So why was Zimbabwe under sanctions?

[@francoiswilliams]

I don't own land or properly, can I claim land?

[@gcb4763]

One alternative that hasn't been exhausted is to divert currency from corrupt politicians to pay for the land. If that could be done the economy could be saved. What is proposed will cause a threat to the nations economy and an devaluation of the Rand.

[@BritishMoralHQ]

no merchant class will be maintained - with no large owners - you cant have an international entity which is a player in global trade - co-operative with redundant admin layer -? i mean

[@winolowardichelli2850]

Yes

[@kev9879]

Considering? Its already happening

[@tommac5411]

Another nail in the coffin of a productive society. I wish I had an answer to address the previous concerns of any wrongs that may have been committed. However, this isn't going to end well food production. Many of these farmers have decades of experience, knowledge, and skill. Couple this with climate change and water shortages. Heaven help us.

[@Harambe2016]

If the whites came within one generation ago...But they did not.Under black rule agriculture is already the same way as in Mugabes country

[@braddarkstar]

Rhodesia a warning from history

[@jorno2003]

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” South Africa will suffer the some crime as Zimbabwe TITANIC SUNK

[@neillamont1320]

There is a lot of vacant land owned by the government which could be used but no the blf wants to take the famers lands they must remember not all land gets used at the same time different crops are at different times

[@captkirkconnell]

the only reason to get control of land is to sell it to someone else. if land is taken, it will be sold.

Zimbabwe here we come.

[@ShamusMossop]

LIES! The alternatives have NOT been exhausted. The ANC government has not enacted the measures that are ALREADY in the constitution which presently does allow for appropriation - even without compensation where relevant.

[@Jiidwag]

Take that stolen land back!!! Look at what WHITES did to New Zealand, North America, Argentina, Australia, and Hawaii---WHITES have not given back the stolen land like 99% of it!!!

[@theinfidel6301]

It’s absolutely necessary that western countries stop all foreign aid to SA

[@newhoped3864]

Let them strave.

[@skollielollie7198]

Shame... So no one's land has been grabbed? No where in SA there are people illegally occupying land or no one is intimidating land owners??

[@nayinayi1]

How would they redistribute land? What is the strategy to redistribute? So how are planning to not get sabotaged?

[@defaultgreen]

Disposesed from us? Who is us? That's the problem? People think they are entitled

[@taidelek9994]

black south African should pressure more for this land reform after all these were their land.