Why is the Java vs. Bedrock debate so angry? | Rage Switch

[@OtesOtesOtes]

It's hilarious that the Java edition is limited to PCs when the programming language Java is meant to enable a cross platform programming environment and the bedrock edition is written in C++ which requires platform specific compilation.

[@MiyukiLily]

C++ is just the better language as far as optimization goes and please do keep in mind Java does not function on consoles

[@tirex3673]

On PC the Java edition is less limited, as Bedrock only runs on Windows 10, while Java also runs on older Windows, MacOS & Linux.

[@GimOA]

@@MiyukiLily is it like the console for gaming or console to put codes in like command prompt?

[@MiyukiLily]

@@GimOAI meant gaming consoles lmao

[@MiyukiLily]

@@tirex3673 im assuming you made a typo but bedrock runs on all supported minecraft platforms except Java

[@MarianzYT]

I really hate that they say "We are working in parity between versions", and then 20 minutes later they add another feature exclusive for one of the two editions. That's what i really hate about the game right now

[@yoshidude64595]

They’re probably never going to bridge the gap. There are so many micro transactions that would be free if parity for java were fully implemented(or even worse, java features would become paid features)

[@NoName-yd9fi]

@@yoshidude64595 What? There is not, and has never been cost for most mods or any features as you can always download content outside of the marketplace. What do you mean?

[@realPurpleOrb]

@@NoName-yd9fi If you're on PC or mobile.

[@NoName-yd9fi]

@@realPurpleOrb You are already free to download mods even on mobile and PC for bedrock. Stop making things up. Yes, microsoft is greedy. But parity issues are completely separate from monetization. Criticize them for the right reasons.

[@slowfudgeballs9517]

@@NoName-yd9fi Yeah I think I have my custom skin on bedrock so I figured mods and maps are downloadable and there isn't anything against that. But why would a Modder make a free mod? Also it's very un-user-friendly proccess for converting free java maps to bedrock and the other way around. But it's not any more difficult than installing mods on Java. Perhaps the java community has a better knack for modding at this point which is why the divide is large.

[@Marioiscool246]

I call the Java Edition "Mojang's Minecraft" and Bedrock Edition "Microsoft's Minecraft".

[@n4p3r0]

And that’s true. Real Minecraft versus micro transactions.

[@REALMARCHINADER]

Doesn't make sense. Bedrock was released way before Microsoft has even bought mojang. The only microsoft versions are the Xbox One and PS4 ports. Bedrock was still made by mojang

[@Marioiscool246]

@@REALMARCHINADER Yeah, of course it was initially created and coded by mojang pre acquisition. If I remember correctly, most of the microsoft side of mojang (like out of washington) write the code for bedrock now. They only did all the micro transactions and other useless bug filled changes and features post microsoft acquisition therefore in my opinion, the game turned into microsoft's minecraft.

[@REALMARCHINADER]

@@Marioiscool246 It didn't turn into microsofts minecraft because of microtransactions. Microtransactions was brought into bedrock because of the crossplay update. They have to keep to support for the console edition that can't get custom skins. For Pocket and Windows 10 you can still get all your free texture, skins, and mods

[@viaaropyzon3367]

@@REALMARCHINADER Lol you have your stuff backwards. Microsoft did the better together crossplay bedrock, while mojang did some of the specific console versions.

[@Shuinon]

I grew up on bedrock and was always under the impression that java was unanimously understood as the superior version

[@koopalad4]

it is

[@mitchellmartin4580]

It is.

[@whoknows4077]

It was

[@Pleshie]

@@whoknows4077 and it still is

[@whoknows4077]

@@Pleshie there are barely any differences anymore, it’s up to opinion now.

[@UltraAryan10]

Mojang is serious about not diverging the games further as anything new introduced since 1.15 that is different across both versions is considered a high priority bug. But Mojang really needs to make a dedicated update to solve the parity problems created in the past due to lack of coordination before 1.15

[@Chris_Cross]

But even after 1.15 how hard is it for the two Dev teams to *actually talk to each other* and make things the same?? Like come on. You're adding a brand new feature to both games at the same time. Just make them the same.

[@UltraAryan10]

@@Chris_Cross Isn't that exactly what they are doing now? They are infact making the new features 100% same and thats the whole point of the 'high priority, parity bugs'

[@Chris_Cross]

@@UltraAryan10 lol I wish that was correct. But that's not even remotely true. Even with brand new features added with the latest update, 1.17, there are differences between Java and Bedrock.

[@dashinking]

They do fix parity issues but making updates probably takes up most of their time. If they made a parity update which doesn't really add anything "new," then it'd probably be a 1.18.1 or smth like that since fixing inconsistencies doesn't really make for a major release.

[@Chris_Cross]

@@dashinking That's not what I'm saying. Obviously they should release parity fixes in conjunction with larger features. What I'm saying is when Java and Bedrock are developing brand new features in tandem (at the same time) then it's really not hard to make features the same.

[@MaticJ29]

The Bedrock vs Java debate is only a taste of what it is like being from the Balkans.

[@stormdragon7500]

s e r b i a s t r o n g

[@MontiiCat]

Bro I’m hollering 😭

[@tandavawalsh0777]

@@detdvr4498 :)) you guys :))

[@godofgaming2350]

I from there and I can agree

[@zorpglorp]

@@stormdragon7500 "Kosovo is independent! Kosovo Kosovo! Kosovo!" "STOP PATRICK! You're scaring him!" ... "Kosovo!"

[@Tigerwolf102onYoutube]

Putting “Java Edition” under the name of the Java Edition and removing “Bedrock Edition” under the name of the Bedrock Edition is what really sent me over the edge. (Edit): for the people who keep saying "well actually Bedrock isn't a knockoff of Java": I know that. Stop trying to tell me that. I'm just saying it feels and looks like a knockoff.

[@MTJosh01]

yeah same

[@TOBYSHERIDANWHITEPOWER]

Literally makes no difference you simpletons

[@justgrudd]

@@TOBYSHERIDANWHITEPOWER Java came first, it is "minecraft" bedrock is a remake therefore it shouldn't be marketed as "minecraft"

[@IparIzar]

You're the simpleton who doesn't understand Microsoft and their strategies, go look at what they did with DR DOS to get a taste.

[@XXLSteve]

Why would the Java edition have the special feature of just being "Minecraft" instead of "Minecraft: Java Edition"? Edit: I mean that both editions could be "Minecraft: Java edition" and "Minecraft: Bedrock edition", why would 1 edition have the special feature to be just "Minecraft"? It would just make even more debates over which edition is better. In my opinion no edition should have the feature to just be "Minecraft".

[@FadMick]

As a fan of both versions, I am proud to announce that I prefer the Legacy version.

[@wiIdtumor]

That's kinda ass

[@serayuiop]

Now this is the correct answer

[@V38-r7t]

Not an opinion just straight facts

[@Starymixx]

@@Flex_seal😦😦

[@Blonder_Studio]

yup, F*** bedrock edition had to replace the legacy

[@jmckenzie962]

Personally me and almost everyone I know IRL (we're in our late teens) plays Java edition, simply because that's the version we all played when we were little kids - back when there was no Bedrock edition. I suspect there's probably a considerable difference in the average age of Java players vs Bedrock players for this reason.

[@gubblfisch350]

yes I'm 19 and I know noone who plays Bedrock edition

[@pezikikal]

@@gubblfisch350 same, i remmber the first time i played it it felt like pocket edition

[@ruukinen]

@@gubblfisch350 You'd be in the exact age demographic who would be playing bedrock though? You were 8-9 when it released. So you'd just got your first phone/smart device and got to school were you would be pressured to play games with kids the same age as you.

[@SuperVideoman2012]

I mean from what i hear the mods are way worse on bedrock if they even exist and ye also started out in alpha java edition

[@launchbase4944]

not sure if that's true. bedrock edition is just console version and the console version came out in like 2012. that was nearly 9 years ago

[@thetrashguy6934]

At the end of the day both versions can agree and say, "Hey, at least we don't play education edition."

[@bello666]

Yes (my friends does, but he also watches "herobrine's life 1 hour remix *Not clickbait* 😱😱😱

[@bello666]

So maybe not the best example (plus he just uses creative mode to get netherite and still wonders why edu doesn't have 1.19 yet)

[@levitaylor3781]

too bad education edition is a fork of bedrock

[@hunkalicious868]

"don't make fun of education edition!" XD

[@marcfiftyfive_]

whats wrong with education edition?

[@agabe_8989]

What I hate is that these two editions are obviously meant to be different and yet they are still trying to convince us that they strive for full parity.

[@Seagaltalk]

every update they are getting closer

[@LovePoison23443]

HONESTLY, the Perfect version of Minecraft would have a Bedrock as a base for the cross platform and optimization, but taking the best features from both versions (I think mostly the java features since it's the OG version) and then removing the other version completely. Of course that's all easier said than done and making servers and mods all be the same and compatible to said imaginary version of the game would be too damn hard so... at this rate there's not gonna be any parity whatsoever and it's sad :(

[@jotaeanimations6183]

@@LovePoison23443well said

[@MrHydra12]

@@LovePoison23443 it’d be hard to hit for everyone, but same. So many times the wiki either makes me cheer or groan for having played bedrock edition.

[@minecraftneo]

@@LovePoison23443 yes

[@mrgd78]

I've been playing bedrock since it came out and I think I talk for a lot of people when I say many of us bedrock players, hate our own version because we can't have mods. Also, many good farms are only functional in java. The thing is that, in those aspects (among many others) we're just screwed. And however, we can't just buy a pc and buy java edition. It's not that easy.

[@pwrsocket]

You can get a pc for the same price of a ps5 Edit: and by the way ive only been gifted one console, i saved up for my pc.

[@theflyingspaget]

​@@pwrsocketand if you were gifted a console? Or you were in a better financial situation then than now? What if you play on phone? Or your console was simply handed down to you, games and all? Or you were given Bedrock edition (buying Java comes with Bedrock but not vice versa.) What if all of your friends don't have PCs and you can't afford to buy one for each of them? Do you expect them to abandon multiplayer? I was lucky enough to buy a PC and thought I'd abandon Bedrock once and for all, I played Java and it was great, but it took me a week to give up on it because I was alone and friendless. Every one of those what ifs applies to one of my friends and so it's not as easy to leave as you think. Of course I could make new friends, but I'm autistic and an introvert and would so rather die than meet new people. Leaving Bedrock means leaving your community.

[@kit4616]

@@happy9099How are they making a strawman here?? They’re describing their lived experience and several circumstances that would lead to a similar outcome. All of the things they listed are plausible if you actually take a second to read it. I don’t think you know what strawman means.

[@czpiaor]

@@happy9099 The Flying Spaget's comment is not a strawman at all. They did not misconstrue the other argument, and they refuted the opposing argument directly by providing reasons as to why they did not switch to Java. Their massive block of "hypotheticals" strongly refutes the point. Alandm's solution of buying a pc simply doesn't work because it is more than just hardware that is the limitation. Your comment contains the fallacy fallacy. You assumed that their comment is false because you believe there is a fallacy in it. Additionally, you didn't refute the opposing argument through counter evidence and reasoning at all. You only pointed out what you think is wrong without explanation; how are they guilt tripping? In fact, you made the strawman argument by reducing the opposing argument to "guilt tripping" and "hypotheticals" and taking it down that way.

[@fireworkstarter]

@@theflyingspaget a computer is a better product than a gaming console anyways you can just make new friends on the java servers, i dont see the problem

[@RazzleTheRed1]

For me it's mainly the microtransactions that makes be hate the bedrock version, it really feels like a big middle finger to the self expression and creativity that the game stands for. Especially because you can pixel by pixel make your own skin on the Java version. No issues with people who play the other version though, I do own both. My other main issue is with Microsoft's censorship on the bedrock version where they straight up admitted they can monitor your conversations on any server and ban you from the multiplayer entirely if you say the wrong things.

[@justarandomhumanlol3915]

The in-game currency is kinda annoying. I wish you could get minecoins for completing some achievements on bedrock :/ As for the skins, there are websites where you can make skins pixel-by-pixel and import them to bedrock.

[@RazzleTheRed1]

@@justarandomhumanlol3915 Oh really? I did not know there were ways to import them to bedrock, that's good to know

[@justarandomhumanlol3915]

@@RazzleTheRed1 You’d need to download it and import it into your photo album if you’re on mobile. I don’t know about other devices though

[@hospuk1714]

@@RazzleTheRed1 you can make your own skins even in pixlr lmao Creating texture packs/skins and import them is very easy on bedrock

[@RazzleTheRed1]

I've only played the console version of Bedrock so never saw that option, also that doesn't dispute what I said about microtransactions

[@lordoftheeyes6716]

Retro, you're the best. Also, do a "RAGE SWITCH: The Glow Squid Debate" video.

[@RetroGamingNow]

There is a nonzero possibility that RAGE SWITCH becomes a series

[@strangerson712]

@@RetroGamingNow Rage Switch: Is Dungeons Canon? will never happen. Right?

[@Vandicoup]

@@RetroGamingNow If there's enough fan support for it, then will it be?? :D

[@Vandicoup]

@@strangerson712 Dungeons isn't canon, I believe. I'm pretty sure you can find the answer to that, via the official Minecraft wikipedia.

[@strangerson712]

@@Vandicoup I would like to see that, I have seen multiple things saying it is and have yet to see something indicate otherwise. If you find it, please let me know.

[@isaakvandaalen3899]

I really appreciate how Bedrock edition is able to connect so many different platforms together for a single Minecraft experience, and I think that's really great. When it comes to personal preference, somehow Java just feels better to play. I've heard it before and I have to agree, there's just something different about the two versions, and I can very quickly tell which version is being played when I see videos of it. I don't know what it is, but Java is my go to. It's what I grew up with, and it's what feels the best for me.

[@NatetheNintendofan]

Microsoft stupid Xbox can obviously handle Minecraft Java Edition same with iPhone is probably what will late iPhones like iPhone 10 and up cuz I feel like a devices were three gigabytes or more of Ram with a phone should be able to play Minecraft Java Edition

[@knightwolf3511]

Redstone and a lot of inner mechanics works differently

[@eclipsegst9419]

@@NatetheNintendofan of course those devices could run it, but then how could they milk kids for cash?

[@mikumikuareka]

@@NatetheNintendofan as iOS developer in the past I can tell that there's a reason they don't port Java edition to any other platform. The reason is that iOS, PS, Nintendo Switch, and Xbox simply will probably never support Java VM, therefore any Java application too. Even Android doesn't fully support Java, they use their own version of it. That's because Java is not something free to use, it is owned by the Oracle Corporation, so before being used on any platform, like Xbox or iOS, companies must come to a legal agreement. Apple would never do such a thing because they care about the integrity of their ecosystem more than anything else, especially on iPhones, and introducing Java to iOS would definitely ruin it. And I believe Microsoft will never do that too, because, after all, they created C# to avoid having something common with Java, Sun, and Oracle and their very stupid legal requirements. So yeah, even though there are not a lot of technical limitations, there are legal limitations, therefore porting Java Edition to anything other than Windows, Linux or macOS is very unlikely.

[@GhostRider-jk4eo]

the textures and UI of the games are different so it's really easy to tell..

[@loganon2216]

one of the things i hate most about the java/bedrock divide is mojang removed features from java when they were attempting to convert everyone, so they would see java getting worse and jump ship

[@renthemen.]

how Microsoft sees bedrock edition is like how parents see the youngest sibling

[@beveckorip]

lmao true

[@Johnfitzgeraldkennedyhasnotoes]

As a bedrock player... yea

[@yukiandkanamekuran]

As someone who likes to play on switch, that's so far from the truth. I CAN NEVER LOG INTO MY MICROSOFT ACCOUNT EVER. So therefore it sucks most of the time. qmq

[@cowwithoutlegs7932]

because it is technically their youngest sibling XD (and their money maker, and the version that runs on their own console)

[@yukiandkanamekuran]

@@_real_man no i know microsoft is the issue, but bro i love switch Minecraft but it has so many problems

[@PineappleWappleMinecraftVids]

10:36 You can tell that the difference list starts getting more intense at this point. "Villagers sell different things..."

[@grimmsoul3096]

how can that matter is my question? as the list of what villagers can trade is V E R Y long

[@kelpdock8913]

@@grimmsoul3096 Well the meta on different servers is different because people get different items way easier

[@grimmsoul3096]

​@@kelpdock8913 well i think some servers have no "META" limit

[@kaynugro]

@@grimmsoul3096 metas are techniques that people use, basically, if that’s what you’re asking. For example, speed-bridging for getting across gaps quickly, iron golems farming for iron, and villager trading to get massive amounts of items. Outside of Minecraft it’d be things like playing certain card combos and finding other combos to counteract them. On KZbin, putting yourself making a 😱 face on your thumbnail would be a meta.

[@hydraulichydra8363]

Yeah and their wares are better on Java.

[@novusnocturnm]

I like this a lot. As someone who was a kid when Minecraft came out and wasn’t to impressed, and now as someone who plays bedrock on my switch… I really feel the emotional connection to your worlds and builds. I appreciate it now that I’m older, but really feel sad that I can’t play with any of my friends on Java. Just to show them what I’ve done, seen and made.

[@slimelauncher4324]

i believe you can convert bedrock worlds to java! even if you play on bedrock it's not impossible to let them see your worlds :-)

[@seadragonet1738]

@@slimelauncher4324 You can even do crossplay with server plugins!

[@beanoptodon]

Making a java server on your computer isn't too awfully bad if you only have a couple friends you wanna play with.

[@novusnocturnm]

I’ll have to look into this! Thank you guys for the advice!!

[@charliehodges3940]

I started playing minecraft on java, but lost the abilaty to play. Thin I started to play on bedrock, I'm hapy that I have played on bothe java and bedrock, I made friends playing minecraft, and minecraft has helped me create, build, make friends, meat friends, and so much more. Java and bedrock may be difrent, but minecraft is minecraft. There may be litlle querks to bothe java and bedrock. I am having a hard time saying this, I'm having a hard time pselling this, so... please d'not... kill me for... the spelling :) from Daffie :)

[@HekateMGO]

We can all agree the Bedrock Wither is an absolute menace.

[@wiIdtumor]

Nah

[@Hqy22]

​@imanem9244 I lost my world because of this method lol. he escaped and destroyed a bunch of end stone blocks, causing INSANE amounts of lag, making the end inaccessible

[@bedrockbuster7]

It has the same health as the wither

[@usoppsauce]

No

[@herobrain1717]

I killed 2 at the same time

[@JazzyWaffles]

I do genuinely think that the name change is the big problem here. By doing this, they are presenting the mobile port of Minecraft, a fundamentally different game, as the "real" Minecraft. And while people who played before this change might disagree, think about it... if you knew nothing about the game, and saw "Minecraft" and "Minecraft: Java Edition" on the game... wouldn't you think that the one without the subtitle was the main game, and the other one was a weird special version? Tons of kids and parents definitely think that now. Also, the renaming situation DIRECTLY pits Bedrock against Java, because before the name change, everyone (including Bedrock players) just accepted that Bedrock was a console and mobile port, and so there was no reason to compare the two versions. With the rename, now Bedrock is "THE" Minecraft, so comparisons are inherently invited, if not encouraged. And thus, thanks to Mojang slacking on the parity problems over the last few years, the games being fundamentally different and incompatible cause conflict. TL;DR they should've either left Bedrock with a subtitle and Java without, or given both a subtitle. Either would've avoided this debate.

[@redshift739]

Exactly what I'm thinking, they should make them equal in that reguard.

[@Alexander99602]

There is another option Rename Java as the Corect/Based version and Bedrock as Wrong/Cringe version

[@redshift739]

@@Alexander99602 I agree that bedrock is worse but it doesn't really matter cus people still enjoy it. This would just cause more problems, to fix it we need equality not inequality in the opposite direction.

[@Alexander99602]

@@redshift739 yea, but I was kidding tho, ofc we need equality But damn this debate can be funny and stupid at times

[@football_chronicles669]

@@redshift739 bedrock is more for the casuals who just want minecraft and not 70 million gold per second farms (figure of speech btw). So rlly java players shouldnt be saying 'yOu cAn'T mAkE fArMs oN bEdRoCk eDiTiOn."

[@MateyMusic]

I really like the way you did this video. So many others have tried to do videos on this subject but they always but a lot of their own bias into it. Its refreshing to see someone just state the facts instead of just saying "BeDrOcK iS BaD!11!!1" or "JAvA sUcKs aNd HeREs WhY"

[@RetroGamingNow]

I really wanted to approach it from a different perspective, since the straight-up debate has been done do much

[@mihaelagabrielaoancea9309]

As a guy who has both versions I can say that both are good in they're own way

[@witherheart54]

@@mihaelagabrielaoancea9309 really you have both together

[@mihaelagabrielaoancea9309]

@@witherheart54 well I have java on my bad computer and bedrock on phone

[@rlh1073]

@@mihaelagabrielaoancea9309 You can dowlowd java in a new computer. If it has the same Microsoft acount. Since it may be a nightmere to play it on a bad computer.

[@mrmob7572]

Me who has both editions: I’m playing both sides, so that i always come out on top.

[@PunishedKrab]

“He’s too dangerous to be left alive!”

[@chewy99.]

Me too : )

[@SILVERF0X13]

How tricky is it when you switch between them? Do things feel kinda wrong for a little bit until you readjust, or do you get used to it? I've only ever played java and I feel like the redstone differences would mess with me a lot if I hopped back and forth.

[@EmbeddedWithin]

@@SILVERF0X13 e

[@Totikfr]

They are the same, it’s a video game for crying out loud who cares

[@Golem2OO8]

The fact that the Legacy Console Edition and Java Edition have similar features such as Redstone and customizable superflat worlds are my two favourite versions of the game

[@kentda]

Bedrock is trash. Legacy edition felt like console Java but Java edition nothing beats

[@Fog799]

@@kentdabedrock is better for me because Im going to be honest i hate java it’s performance runs like a tortoise on a treadmill

[@kentda]

@@Fog799 nah but that not Java it’s self that’s just the pc ur using however bedrock generally has issues no matter what pc u use

[@Steademans]

@@kentdathat’s not even true bro you’re obviously 12, Bedrock can run at 40 chunk render distance at 60+ fps. Java can’t. Even with a sweet pc.

[@kentda]

@@Steademans bro I’m 17 and I just fucking said bedrock has many bugs and Java doesn’t I SAID JAVA IS BETTER you just need a good pc however if you had a good pc bedrock is still buggy as it’s just the game Don’t bring up fps I didn’t say we can’t run the game I said it has bugs and in general ain’t the better game

[@drawingbee]

I started on Pocket Edition, and played on it for YEARS, before getting Java. I had it because it was cheaper, and I didn't have access to my own computer, just a tablet. I now only play on Java, and favourite it SO much more to Bedrock (even tho I have both, just so I can play with friends). I understand why both versions exist, but I wish that Java worked similarly to Bedrock when it came to multiplayer, because I'd rather play just that version, than have to switch between both when I want to play with different people, on different servers.

[@teamok1025]

Aniimatior

[@jayde4872]

Exact same situation

[@moritzguderian8381]

still better than bedrock multiplayer where u need xbox live smh

[@realbuplive1887]

Well I started on bedrock and now I'm playing java but without a premium account as my parents cares about real life things than a video game seeing that they buy me something that I didn't want that much and cost twice the cost of minecraft java instead of buying me minecraft java that I beg them to buy it for me for like 3 years

[@Lampe2020]

I started on MC:Bedrock and have now almost fully switched to MC:Java, too. And when MS will block third-party browsers completely on Windows to force users to use Edge then Windows is dead for me. And will be for many other users, too, I think. Then I will only play the MC:PE version to play together with my little brother who hates MC:Java just because I like it more than MC:Bedrock, which he prefers.

[@revenge774]

When I was younger I would wake up, get on my laptop and play Java. Later in the day I would go to my friends house and we would play split screen on their xbox. At night I would play pocket edition on my ipad so I didn’t get caught awake. So because of this years later I still like all versions, I’m not completely loyal to one or the other I enjoy playing both regularly

[@torrent7474]

That's true. I like both versions, but I prefer bedrock edition just because of the PvP system and so my friend can join my world. Both are unique in their own ways. I'd say the people who get the most benefit out of Java are the ones with more powerful devices.

[@Kilomegaminx]

I am also in a similar boat here. I grew up loving the bedrock version and didn't even know about Java. When I got itroduced to Java, I ended up preferring it because of how it's redstone works. I really don't like the fact that the debate exists, and also don't want the two versions to become the same. I love both the versions for different reasons, and would feel like a game was taken away from me if both versions became one.

[@trinidad17]

What about minetest though.

[@oilfan2000]

this is the ultimate gigachad grindset

[@coolbean9880]

honestly, i dont consider legacy console and pe the same thing as bedrock, bedrock is specifically from better together onward, since a lot of (largely profit focused) changes were made around that time and generally microsoft started taking the lead more i was personally never a big fan of the legacy console editions (having mainly played xbox one edition for 2 years), always just felt watered down and incomplete compared to java (like redstone which still acts unpredictably at times even today), now add skins and resource packs costing actual real world money and my friends all playing java and yea, i didnt like it, but it was a hell of a lot better than now with the new store and minecoins, literally like a free mobile game

[@trip_six]

For me, there's only one difference that makes me favor java over bedrock: Microtransactions. I refuse to pay for stuff on bedrock version when i can get that same content for free on java. The situation is similar to Fallout, why would anyone pay for mods through creation club when modders have been offering those same mods for free through nexus forever now? It makes no sense at all.

[@ruukinen]

Because who's to say all that free labour would go into that game at all? You are assuming those same mods would exist but they could just as easily not exist.

[@Awesomeness4627]

While that's true and java mods are definitely waaaay better. You can get mods from the internet still on bedrock.

[@ruukinen]

@@captnjayce I'm using mod here to mean more generally a modification to the base game so a dlc would qualify. Being pedantic about my choice of words while ignoring my entire point makes me not want to engage but I'll dumb it down for you. I'm saying: You shouldn't assume the work that has gone into making these modifications to the base game would exist without the funding achieved by monetizing them. I'm not saying they definitively wont exist. I'm just saying it's pretty entitled to think that someone will make funny hats and shiny armors for your game on their free time.

[@birbx6029]

for me its the inventory arrangement. its harder for me to move things because i can only click and dragging items instead of clicking a hotkey to move it. i have other reasons but they are more opinion based, not a genuine lack of ability to do something that makes more convenient. an example of an opinion-oriented thing is knockback. i dont like the knockback system on bedrock, but others who have played on bedrock for a while would feel the same about java knockback. i played on pocket edition for 5 years straight and it took me months to fully transition. obviously the microtransactions are worse but im always obsessing over good inventory management so its hard for me.

[@trip_six]

@@ruukinen Well, except I can absolutely assume those mods would exist without funding... because they already do in games like skyrim and fallout. Have you been on nexus mods at all? Most people creating mods do it as a hobby, not a job. Some accept donations, sure, but none of the mods offered for those games are paid mods. Except, of course, in creation club, which is exactly what i mentioned in my original post, so....

[@lv100magikarp4]

As a Bedrock player I had that same "uncanny valley" feeling when I tried playing on Java. I wanted to play in Java because of the TNT duping and all the cool stuff I could do with it, but the gap of differences was too wide to cross and I returned to the version I was comfortable with. To be completely honest, I always thought that the Java edition was seen as the main version and not the other way around. Whenever I'd search something, I'd always specify it was for the Bedrock edition, which I believed to be "secondary".

[@lukestertubeplayz]

Thanks i view it that same 90% of content creaters produced content for java editions if you look deeper.

[@spyder_gaming9251]

I think that Microsoft wants Bedrock to be the the main version since it’s the money maker but online most Minecraft content creators use Java because of it’s freedom of customization; data packs, mods, resource packs, etc. and obviously it’s the original base of minecraft, so it is basically the “classic” edition

[@Archman155]

online its very much the main version still. most youtubers play java and the online community often prefer it. but in player count and officially bedrock is the "main" version, microsoft pushes it hard

[@MegaGames-df8tr]

bedrock is trash piece of garbage

[@Ramzi123_]

No😊​@@MegaGames-df8tr

[@jilliandixon8943]

Can you please do a video on the wandering trader? It trades you things like gunpowder and nautilus shells but it can't fight mobs. It trades you glowstone but it can't go to the Nether. So how did the wandering trader get these items?

[@SlenderGuy]

OMFG I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT BEFORE UR A GENIUS!!!

[@caseyleenb]

how did the priest? what’s the priest using nether wart for when it doesn’t brew potions.

[@RetroGamingNow]

I'll put it on the list for an upcoming video!

[@SlenderGuy]

@@RetroGamingNow and the man himself replied

[@jilliandixon8943]

@@RetroGamingNow thanks!

[@WeedCirno]

Im still so upset they got rid of the "console edition" (now called "editions" on the console main menu). it wasnt buggy and the user interface was amazing! it was my entire childhood and I played it with my family a lot. once it changed to bedrock none of my family would play including me. I switched over to java and enjoyed that much more.

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

It was unplayable at first, I rage quit for months, now they fixed it to be ok I guess, what a win.

[@matheuscabral9618]

I agree, bedrock being a version for all platforms is just not a good idea, they should just keep minecraft versions as it was before bedrock and put crossplay, not make a bad version that technically works on all. Legacy edition (consoles) felt great and it was made for it’s console, just as java was made for pc, but bedrock? It was made for cellphones and they tried to put it to every platform and it did not go well. I loved playing console edition, I still play, and even tho it’s not updated, it still feels better than console bedrock.

[@balthasar991]

Same. Fond memories of Minecraft on the 360 Ah well, at least Java has mods

[@not-crown]

console edition is far superior to bedrock in every way there are so many slight differences between the two that are really obnoxious, like the little slide you do when flying it makes me hate bedrock a lot cus it just showed up and ruined a good version

[@docdoc.4500]

I had the same experience! I really liked how it wasn't so buggy!

[@Majima_Nowhere]

I feel like there is very poor communication between the Java and Bedrock dev teams. This would explain some of the reason even brand new features aren't the same between versions.

[@z0mb1e564]

You’re assuming it’s unintentional. If they actually merged the versions, one of the teams would be let go. Why would they push for unification under those circumstances.

[@befirefly7]

​@@z0mb1e564 It could be intentional for some reason (or just bad management), but an effort could be made to align features between the versions while still developing both side-by-side. I'd speculate that one reason they'd be hesitant to align the versions is because of how much more effort it'd be to balance two games compared to one... Like the video mentioned, having diff durability values for the same item between the two versions seems ludicrous out of context, but it could be that way because the value is balanced based on many other values for its respective version. If each version is balanced on small differences, the differences add up, and it just becomes too much of a monster to try to reconcile if you wanted to align the versions together. Just my 2 cents, complete speculation...

[@higueraft571]

@@z0mb1e564 Definitely wouldnt be let go, considering they're still different languages :V

[@klausburgersten]

not only they aren't the same, they aren't the same in the most weird ways like recipes, numerical values (e.g. how many hp does a mob have), loot tables, i.e. "configuration". These differences add _NO_ value to the game, only confusion and more work for fine people that maintain minecraft wiki in the video author says about it, but these minor differences seemingly have no reason to exist and would probably take minutes to fix

[@SatanDotExe]

​@@z0mb1e564as a developer (not of Minecraft I will add), the people who define the details are product owners, and not developers themselves. So, it would most definitely be unintentional, unless for some ridiculous reason every single product owner was in on some big conspiracy.

[@johnirby8847]

If Java could just be as fast as Bedrock and push furnaces, chests, etc...and if Bedrock could get Java's Redstone a lot of people would be happy

[@hivijivi]

what do you mean by java redstone? They can't bring quasi-connectivity because it was originally a bug

[@laser_uhhhh]

@@hivijivibedrock redstone has rng

[@staanislaw]

Only render distance and fps are faster on bedrock

[@Archman155]

@@staanislawyeah the game its self runs alright but all the UI and game features, server lag etc run like shite

[@Devilhunter69]

@@Archman155 i never saw any lag in ui , most servers run pretty well i think it is your network connection

[@devindykstra]

It's amazing how many times modders on both sides of the fence have come together to try to add cross play to both versions, but it seems that whenever we get close, both versions update leaving the project at square one. The fact that you can't easily change versions on most Bedrock platforms makes the endeavor very difficult.

[@swifts6879]

A lot of Java mod makers specifically don’t want their mods to be ported to bedrock. People doing that are doing it on their own initiative which is against the TOS of the original Java mods which causes conflict between parties. I wouldn’t say this is really the case.

[@llynxfyremusic]

I host an smp with a community of 15 people.GeyserMC has been a godsend to get everyone on the java server. The proxy gets updated relatively quickly from my experience (although i haven't used it during a major release like 1.18 so i can't speak to that, but from 1.17 to 1.17.1 it was updated fast)

[@reizayin]

i have a personal server for both java and bedrock. Crossplay is possible.

[@dumb-shark-king]

Dumbass doesn't realize those ports are unofficial

[@memesd4675]

I started on the old Pocket Edition and I grew up with it. Sure, I've lost worlds yet I still play and create. All my friends play on Bedrock yet I'd be happy to play on Java (mainly for mods). I really couldn't care what edition it is, Minecraft is Minecraft

[@ziting5756]

Beautifully put

[@not_zeeno]

I couldn't agree more. I started playing on PE, switched to PC (because I love Hexxit) and just bought Bedrock for the Switch so I can enjoy minecraft with my PC-less friends too. It really doesn't bother me what people think is better, as everyone has a world and memories from whatever Edition, they love and think back to. :] I'm just happy when people play Minecraft in general

[@Eclipse-mf6hc]

I started on Minecraft PE, then migrating to Java so I could play with my cousins. A few years later and I’m permanently on Java

[@laser_red1820]

That's a good opinion, but most of people are not like you and prefer bullying people from the other version. That's sad, but that's the world where we lives, everyone is different.

[@iCore7Gaming]

I just feel Bedrock is too "Microsofty" lol

[@RiethAndalStuff]

Are we not gonna talk about how the bedrock edition completely replaced the legacy console editions of minecraft after years of hard work from 4J studios and all the memories that came with it. No one can say bedrock is better than the console edition.

[@daffyduck2425]

True, the console editions were way better than bedrock

[@jaceybella1267]

I played the ps3 and later ps4 editions. Bedrock's multi-platform multi-player is genuinely nice, and I'm glad to have the option, but the lack of customizability sucks. Tho I'm not personally privy to what technical differences there are from Java to the console versions, I'd be fascinated to find out

[@Shugunou]

I miss those legacy console versions. They didn't require premium services for multiplayer.

[@TheFloodFourm]

@@jaceybella1267 don’t worry about 4J I guarantee you they all got really far with that project on their resume. To this day I have no idea how they got minecraft on a 360 WITH SPLIT SCREEN

[@zed25697]

@@TheFloodFourm and split screen no longer exists unless you sign in :/

[@thawkade]

I love how most of the comments missed the message of this video lmao

[@TheBMGGaming4182]

Real

[@GlaiswetzProduction]

Yeah, instead of essays "Why Java vs. Bedrock war is childish" we got regular "Why Java is the real Minecraft' or 'Why Bedrock is underrated and Java is bad" even though this film was created to end this war. People won't change anything 😔

[@idaparakila]

I've been playing minecraft since 2011, so java edition is all I've ever known. I have bedrock edition for Windows 10 only because I was eligible to a free copy of it. My little brother, who just turned 10, has only ever played it on PS4... the other day I was showing him my latest builds with RTX shaders and texture packs, and he said he had to beg his mom to *buy* a texture or shader pack.......what a nightmare

[@satnus3388]

What the hell he didn't need to shaders were everywhere on bedrock

[@lunaticwastaken]

@@satnus3388 Which is hidden as much as possible. Even changing your skin for free is hidden as much as possible, so people are more likely to buy a skin, because they think "hmmm, i cannot change it for free"

[@satnus3388]

@chloecdn when you go into the skins section, the first thing that comes up is the types of skins and how to get them. Plus the character creator allows you to make your skin using different free stuff, which is honestly way easier than having to make every pixel. And lastly, there's an entire section of the skins section dedicated to imported skins

[@lunaticwastaken]

@@satnus3388 Yes, and that "import" section is completely hidden after about 5 mouse clicks (at least it was the last time i started up bedrock) to be fair, in java-edition it isn't that easy either, but i don't use the vanilla-launcher, so i don't know how easy it is in there nowadays.

[@voidsnail]

@@lunaticwastaken Java has an easily visible "skins" tab in the launcher, including a library of all your imported skins. VERY easy.

[@zavhytar9333]

I feel like a huge part of why particularly Java players are so fierce when it comes to this is the decentralized approach to moderation in Java. Minecraft BE is very "modernized" in how everything works. Its more locked down by design. Java eddition on the other hand is far more open.

[@averageinternetguy1614]

I feel like it's the marketplace's fault.. it makes bedrock seem like a cashgrab but in reality its just a different version of the game.

[@kiwirooks7299]

​@@averageinternetguy1614 it's both.

[@99773-HGG]

Java players are very fierce

[@Caeilanddogs]

Me, a bava player, :/

[@Add_Infinitum]

I've always played Java cause it lets you mod

[@RaisinBarXZ550]

Having grown up watching java and playing bedrock, I know that me and my friends liked how bedrock was cross platform, but we all wanted Java because of more freedom with mods and custom servers and the more, I guess competitive minigames on Java. Now being on java with most of my friends, I still see why there's no truly better option. Java is better for a number of reasons, but bedrock has some other benefits, but it can't take the Java benefits usually because of hardware limitations of the intended devices. The more I think the harder it gets for me to think of a good way to make one unified version as I see there being drawbacks. I can't even think of a good way to have both versions, other than to just own both versions, as there's just some feature in one version that I like more that I can very much see someone else from the other version not liking, or something, like the modding freedom of Java, that would make Microsoft less money.

[@just_forxp3367]

This. I have been told I am elitist since I tried to share this opinion before. I’ve been raised a bedrock player, but java is my favorite.

[@courier3567]

A lot of people compare Vanilla Minecraft a version that almost no Minecraft player really plays because it gets extremely boring and repetitve we look for new experiences on servers or modpacks and while people talk about modding what about the millions of custom plugins made for servers that are so crucial to the replayability

[@RaisinBarXZ550]

@@courier3567 That is true, there's lots of great plugins for minigame servers and servers that are vanilla but less boring. It's nice to see more free bedrock server hosting options with easy to install plugins, but it's definitely quite annoying that the Xbox version makes it harder to join custom servers, and I'm not sure if PS and NS have this restriction too but I don't really see why it even exists as it's preventing bedrock players from going on custom servers like Minehut which allow Java-Bedrock crossplay

[@somerandomdude712]

@@courier3567 very good reason why i love to mod minecraft, it just adds more content

[@BLAZE_GLITCH]

Bedrock Edition is pretty good in terms of performance, I owned Bedrock Edition on my PS4 but due to no custom skins and that multiplayer required PSPlus I bought Java Edition on my PC. I use Sodium for extra performance on Java, plus I can use shaders and dynamic lights which are really great mods in Java Edition

[@NicoleAFriendOfBlahaj]

I really dont care what version people play, you're having fun and not harming people, good continue to do that

[@Man_Aslume]

🗿🍷

[@NicoleAFriendOfBlahaj]

@@Man_Aslume the only only time I see this pair of emojis not relating to homophobia

[@rabbiyosef6127]

@@NicoleAFriendOfBlahaj rent free

[@snowmaske]

@@rabbiyosef6127 gem

[@crazyyetiman7923]

ive been looking forward to this for a while

[@StarlieW]

"There hasn't been a true commitment to parity" I'm glad that Mojang started to prove the other way around with seed parity

[@jeremyzabel2923]

I'm incredibly impressed with all the work that they did with seed parity in the 1.18 update, and I think everyone really appreciates it. What's hilarious about it though, is that there are still plenty of seeds on Java that won't work in Bedrock due to the 32-bit seeds in Bedrock and 64-bit seeds in Java.

[@StarlieW]

@@jeremyzabel2923 Welp, they did what they could to make it as on-par as possible, but I think changing to a 64-bit would hit mobile players too hard, since some older phones are ARM32 based and wouldn't be able to handle 64-bit integers (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm still an apprentice in computer logic)

[@jeremyzabel2923]

@@StarlieW yeah I'm not going to knock what they accomplished, I love what they did. Some people are just unaware of the limitation to the seed parity

[@Xilefian]

@@StarlieW (here to correct you, hello :D) 32-bit platforms can handle 64-bit integers perfectly fine. If there is an architectural concern, it would be the increased memory bandwidth used by handling 64-bit integers (even on a 64-bit system, 32-bit numbers are still mostly better for performance). But for world seeds? It should be a negligible impact on performance (practically a non issue).

[@ProPrince]

@@StarlieW I think they shoulda been willing to make an update for newer phones because at this point most phones are 64 bit. The nether update kicked off many old phones so they could do it again

[@ltgnx]

To me, I never considered BedEd inferior to JavEd, just a different experience. This video made an amazing explanation on just how different these 2 versions of our favourite game are. Great stuff man, keep it up

[@marysartr]

Wtf is BedEd? And JavEd? Jared and Bed Education?

[@ltgnx]

@@marysartr if I'm being completely honest I thought BedEd and JavEd being abbreviations for *Bed*rock *Ed*ition and *Jav*a *Ed*ition would be rather easy to figure out

[@UltraAryan10]

@@ltgnx People just use Bedrock and Java. After all the Bedrock Edition term is not even official, its the bedrock codebase.

[@wanana3279]

Just use Be and Je some can't really understand

[@danielduncan6806]

Yeah, he got it wrong. It has nothing to do with the game versions. It is about the players themselves.

[@Man_Aslume]

Java is minecraft Bedrock is minecraft MINECRAFT SAME MINECRAFT Play whatever you want

[@foxdragon223]

I started playing Minecraft when it first came out on the X-box 360, however I was watching Java content on KZbin before then, it was always really frustrating to see cool custom maps, mods, or even just vanilla farms that simply didn't work with the X-box 360 version, but then they added minigames to the console versions, and I loved that, and while spleef and survival games were on Java far before, I had never seen any Java server do the Glide minigame before, and that was also my favorite of the minigames, *and then they removed them in bedrock* and the minigames on those servers just weren't the same as they were on legacy editions, but I still played Bedrock, mostly because it was the only one I could play, but then I got my new laptop (actually the one I'm writing this comment on lol) and started playing the Java version of Minecraft, and I much prefer it to Bedrock, even playing Bedrock on this laptop, I still prefer Java, not only are mods wonderful, and easy tutorials, and *free* server hosting and custom maps awesome, I just simply prefer the feel of Java, I don't really know how to describe it, I guess Bedrock just feels like a mobile game still, so even though I grew up with Legacy editions that later merged with Bedrock, I still "jumped ship" and now prefer Java.

[@_Bran]

mans really just called it an X-Box bruh

[@rayluvscats]

Why did you add a “-“ in Xbox xD

[@edde2429]

WHenever I play bedrock on the same pc I play java on, regardless of how much I tweak settings it always feels sluggish to me. Like the mouse gets like smoothed or something and how every inteface has annoying animations to play. Also I very much enjoy restone so I'm sticking to java. What I like about bedrock is how fast and smooth the world loads and it's stability.

[@rayluvscats]

@@_Bran ikr xD

[@xeliotrop]

You just described Bedrock. It's a mobile game ported to consoles and PC's

[@hankmmxviii2640]

I first played bedrock years ago, and the biggest advantage of Java was the modding, redstone and farming guides and support. The Java edition had, and still has the bigger presence and more content. Now that I have a decent PC I play Java edition with shaders and mods and it feels more liberating compared to bedrock.

[@Bunny99s]

Exactly, that's also my main point. I was even a bit confused that he only addresses such minor balancing or feature differences between the two versions. The lack of proper mods is the real issue. Mods made MC big.

[@Legion849]

As it should Bedrock was designed to run on mobiles. It has an off feeling everything is too fast and smooth most of the mods, shaders and resource packs are for Java. Both of them play differently and the difference is pretty big

[@eideticex]

@@Legion849 Except every 3D game uses shaders. At a minimum to render a textured object you need a vertex and fragment shader. Android however has supported Geometry shaders as far back as 2.2. Resource packs are sold for Bedrock in their store thing as I understand it. There really is no reason at all for it beyond making sure their store thing remains relevant when you get past all the BS.

[@EvilTaco]

Yes, but even with a really good pc sadly the java edition is limited to single threaded performance only. I wish I could actually use the 8 cores/16 threads on my CPU instead of just one

[@djchallengers8208]

Exactly what i think

[@xemiii]

12:44 Holy shit I was talking to my sister about why I dislike Bedrock Edition and I literally said it was like an uncanny valley feeling. You hit the nail on the head there!

[@samuelthecamel]

The only reason I ever hated Bedrock was because of the countless glitches that are everywhere. It just feels like a less polished version.

[@tippedjoshua6802]

@@samuelthecamel i just don’t like it because I just don’t want Java to end because like you said its more polished and also it’s been around longer and you can switch to old versions and I feel like the only reason bedrock is doing well is because of it’s on more platforms

[@deltaduel7942]

@@samuelthecamel hey on bedrock we don't have the door glitch the redstone angle glitch we also don't have to worried about a weak wither like you java players (this is a joke)

[@bulbasaurhimself8914]

@@samuelthecamel for me bedrock gives me way more memories, I'm playing a literally war server on my phone with a lot of my friends rn, I'm trying to find our enemy, and this is on bedrock

[@crissis3263]

remember that the uncanny valley goes both ways, i feel the same when i play java from time to time

[@theofficialarnl7018]

I love how easy it is to play with friends in bedrock

[@gavinthecrafter]

Thats one of the only advantages of Bedrock imo. I can't count how many times I've tried to play with my friends on a private server together and it being such a hassle. "Open to LAN" has never worked in my house, probably due to router/firewall settings. In Bedrock its as easy as opening the Friends tab

[@Incommensurableme]

True, but it makes it incredibly difficult or infuriating for Java players who want to play with friends (as the video described). So far everyone that I meet in person plays bedrock, making the my isolation a much bigger problem.

[@Toadthefungi]

Honestly the only good thing about bedrock

[@Roonie..]

@@Toadthefungithere is a mod called Essentials that allows you to play with friends without using realms which bridges the gap except that you cant cross platform of course.

[@XtrminatR7]

So true, I wish Java had this awesome feature that 99% of all other games had.

[@kitsunezer0524]

Alright, so here's my perspective, I've played both versions. I mostly play bedrock because all of my friends have bedrock, but I prefer Java for many reasons. The biggest two would be mods/mod packs and redstone. Now does this mean I don't build redstone on bedrock? No, I still build contraptions because they make life easier, minus the subtle differences in timings and such. Now I could complain about every different feature, but I'm not going to. At the end of the day minecraft offers a mix of artistic freedom and engineering that I can enjoy with friends. Do I wish the versions were more 1 to 1? Absolutely, but I understand that the differences in programming languages cause some of these differences, so I can't hold them too accountable on it.

[@ajflink]

Exactly!

[@kitsunezer0524]

Glad to see I'm not alone here in my thought process!

[@ShowierData9978]

Same

[@mikakoivisto6504]

Bedrock is trash

[@chewy99.]

I’m more used to bedrock redstone and I have no care in the world for mods. Well actually there are some really high quality and good mods that I like to look at on bedrock but I never actually play with mods. Bedrock mods are easier to install too. At least on pc and iPad/iPhone versions. I love both versions, just wish less people belittled each other about it. I really hate it when people look down at each other just because of tiny differences in a game type that most people wouldn’t notice. The version one person plays doesn’t have to be better than anyone else’s. I understand if you play bedrock and I also understand if you play java. I think this is how everyone should see it.

[@fish3166]

Some of us may play Java, and others may play bedrock, but we can all be friends because we dont play education edition.

[@neuralstrings8015]

nods nervously

[@DrDisco01]

Facts

[@TheK2BlackPanther]

Agreed

[@notxavier762]

Fr

[@tastyjason4136]

isn't education just bedrock on an older version

[@moss7282]

the reason I (personally) get so emotional and aggresive over the Java vs Bedrock debate is because I am very unstable and I have a lot of built up anger

[@captainsprinkles6557]

You should probably stop using the internet then. If it's anger for this topic, then just don't click on these type of videos, if it's anger that you let out in arguments for no reason then stay away from people with different opinions.

[@myprofilepictureisafish]

Finally ive seen someone admit the true reason this debate is so wild 💀

[@beep.......]

Beep.

[@captainsprinkles6557]

@@beep....... Boop.

[@kukifitte7357]

Same. Infact; Im a threat to myself and others. How could mojang allow this?

[@goldenpro1096]

As a guy who played bedrock all his life and finally switched to Java just the other day I can say it does feel uncanny

[@Toadthefungi]

Do you like it better? Or is it worse?

[@goldenpro1096]

@@Toadthefungi like there are something that I like about java more the bedrock like hardcore and the servers and the game mechanics like the villagers bedrock does have a more diverse world where trees can change to white one if it starts snowing or how easier to use leads with boats, I cant say which one is better because of preference, I could want to have one life or I could want my sword to be just as fast as my axe in speed hitting or not, so to me there both equally good.

[@MegaGames-df8tr]

bedrock sucks

[@TheRubyGamersTRG]

^^^this. i played bedrock my whole life because when i first got minecraft i couldn’t afford pc edition and pocket edition was the cheapest. because of that i grew up on bedrock and i also tried playing java just the other day, and it definitely feels uncanny.

[@deadlan2424]

@@MegaGames-df8tryou suck

[@captaincrispy2184]

There is an angle that plays a big role in my head. I feel like, at one point, they will discontinue Java. With the in-game shop and all of the flashy monetization options, Bedrock will most likely be more profitable and leave Java behind. I feel like they keep taking steps in this direction, since (non-monetized) third party mod-content is already being portrayed as something very bad and dangerous. (Hence all of the warnings and exclamation marks) I'm just scared that Microsoft will get rid of Java.

[@yesterttd]

Me to, I also hated the change Minecraft-Account->Mojang-Account->Microsoft-Account

[@voidbite]

I think that if that ever happens, they will just discontinue it, meaning it can still be modded, so I expect modders to add the updates bedrock receives to java.

[@Weirdsticka]

I don't think so.

[@czpiaor]

As a bedrock player, I think you’re right.

[@user-ud1gl5xp3e]

Let's imagine a world where Microsoft decides to stop the java edition, or at least to take care of it. There would be, in my opinion, no real problem with that. Minecraft has been around for years, and the community has already taken over a huge part of the game. Since the beginning, the servers accepting "crack" players exist, so the online side won't be impacted, it will still be possible to play without using Microsoft services And it is sure that a team of enthusiasts will take over to update the game So in my opinion, nothing will change

[@FratinandMadrik]

I think it's funny how everyone defending Bedrock often uses the argument "It's because Java is terrible when it comes to mobile and console"... But then we get plugins like Geyser and Floodgate that literally allow for Bedrock and Java players to play on the same server. In other words, it's definitely possible to solve this issue, Microsoft simply doesn't want to because they if start monetizing Java, people will riot, and Java isn't bringing in as much easy cash as Bedrock, so trying to solve the issue would actually cost more money and resources than it's worth.

[@miimiiandco]

I feel Bedrock still has the ticket with multiplayer with friends. Yeah, you could just open up a custom server, but I certainly didn't know that the first time I wanted to play multiplayer.

[@realah3001]

Java>bedrock

[@EvilGeniys]

Geyser replaces third-party packages, its creates a bunch of problems. We tried to put it on our server and for some unknown reason, all new players received a zero packet error.

[@FratinandMadrik]

@@EvilGeniys I play on a server with Geyser and Floodgate, and it works perfectly. Played on there for a few weeks now, and there have been 0 problems with the plugin. It's not my server, so I have no idea how hard it was to set up, but right now it works as intended.

[@EvilGeniys]

@@FratinandMadrik say admins contacts, maybe we can understand.

[@bruhtholemew]

Personally bedrocks store is what upsets me. I remember being excited for the console release as a kid only to see that mods, texture packs, and skins were being sold while java had them for free. I just stayed playing java at 10fps until I was able to get a better pc. Only recently did I check out the bedrock store only to see it's full of knock offs and stolen content.

[@zachwhitaker.]

Yeah I think the reason people are saying Java is better is because literally everything is free, mods, resource packs, shader packs, performance mods like Sodium which make Bedrocks performance over Java almost non existent, even if Java costs more, it’s way more worth it since you’ll be spending the price of Java for stuff in the store, and even worse they had to make it Windows exclusive, it’s literally so easy to just make a port since they already have education edition, but no they want you to dual boot and restart or completely uninstall your current OS to play one game, plus mods like Controllable, and LambdaControls add controller support which was exclusive to Bedrock

[@zachwhitaker.]

@Ragtag yeah I agree, i didn’t really know that much about bedrock then

[@mahirooyama9424]

@Ragtag sure because the kids playing will totally know how to do this and not just use their mom’s card to buy things.

[@mahirooyama9424]

@Ragtag and theyll give up because its too difficult

[@Numbers_Game]

On the other hand, many people bought Java Minecraft back in 2011. They also got a decade worth of updates since then. Would it be fair to call you a cheap fuck because you are only focusing on one side here?

[@ThomasFarquhar2]

It's comparing "ball of code being held in shape by duct tape" to "ball of code intended to replace the one being held in shape by duct tape but ended up being held in shape by duct tape itself"

[@mr_pi1356]

I love how there were so many ports that could've become bedrock edition, and they picked the one that worked the worst (pocket edition) Like xbox 360 edition had working redstone! And the shaders looked the same as Java! I have no idea why they chose pocket edition to be *the main game* instead of the much better console ports that already existed.

[@Lusc1nt]

Cause kids play on their phones/tablets and give them more money with their parents' linked credit cards

[@99773-HGG]

True

[@Nahi-1.1]

Thats not how porting works, buddy

[@christiantaylor1495]

​@@Lusc1nt I don't think they let them spend the entire bank account. They have to ask

[@FilthyActs]

It very much has to do with microsofts philosophy at the time (and to some degree today) around the mid 2010s they released the microsoft surface (tablet laptop hybrid) and they released windows 8 which was terrible but focused a lot on having a design intended for touch screens. It's fairly obvious they chose pocket edition because they believed and still do believe that touch screens are the future.

[@TheMagneticDude]

As a person who started on bedrock and then when i finally got java and switched, Ive always thought of java edition as the "full" version/ main version of the game because at the time it just had more features and it was the OG minecraft that notch made. But after microsoft pulled bedrock together and especially after the better together update ive just started to see it as more of the accessible and easier to use version. I still like java better for the freedom of what you can do in terms of texture packs and mods as well as just the more streamlined gameplay. In time i can see microsoft wanting to pull bedrock and java together either into a single version or bridge the two versions by making them similar enough to work with most multiplayer servers.

[@WalleyeGuy4]

There already exists a way for bedrock and java players to play in the same server. It's called Geyser and it converts the game data packets into the other version.

[@gatr2897]

I play Bedrock, and whenever someone asks me which version to get I say Java for the unadulterated Minecraft experience, and Bedrock for the crossplay or for portability on the Switch. And then try to get a hold of Legacy console cuz that shit was fuego lmao. I still go on Legacy sometimes because the minigames are still up

[@Nugcon]

Discontinue both versions and make a Minecraft version 2.0

[@gatr2897]

@@Nugcon TRUE and add triangles

[@blakem2902]

@@Nugcon they already released Minecraft 2.0

[@malicethemighty7560]

me who plays both versions: *laughs of equality and superiority*

[@Hi-ii1sl]

The avatar

[@LilBoiBoi]

Average Minecraft Java vs. Bedrock fan Average Minecraft is Minecraft enjoyer

[@Panguk]

MINECRAFT IS MINECRAFT

[@disco.jellyfish]

Nah, Java is better.

[@Panguk]

@@disco.jellyfish none of them is better, you just prefer it, minecraft is minecraft

[@zlette]

I find it frustrating as an avid Java player to find mild inconsistencies such as the wonky hand movement when "view bobbing" is enabled, or that the inventory character pivots from the center of the character instead of from the base. Also at it's core... Bedrock edition was entirely meant to be for phones, instead of PCs and consoles. And Pocket Edition (Bedrock) was never meant to compete with Java, it was simply just a "Minecraft on the go!" kind of game. I mean look at Pocket Edition's trailer... it never took itself seriously, and that's what made it really good. A huge part of my childhood was playing on my uncle's smartphone or tablet and I had a lot of fun with it! The first console releases (PS3 and Xbox 360) really resembled Java with it's world generation, animations, and overall gameplay. Same for the later console releases (PS4 and Xbox One). After Bedrock got fully released, they announced that they were cancelling development for the original console releases in favor for Bedrock. This left a brutally sour taste in my mouth as I preferred the console releases and didn't like the overall look of Bedrock. And the day that those console releases stopped receiving updates... I stopped playing Minecraft for a very *very* long time. That was up until I finally got Java, where I discovered my long lost love for Minecraft Alpha and Beta. (I used to play those versions back in 2014 as I didn't own Java Edition for years. And it wouldn't let me play anything after r1.2.5 as anything later would shove a timer in my face that would reset everything.)

[@QuirrelSquad]

10:14 one of the main reasons it behaves different is because a lot of the redstone "features" on java are actually just bugs that the devs thought were too cool to patch out (similar to terraria hoiks) an example would be quasi connectivity although the bedrcok devs could easily implement it as an intended feature since modders have done it

[@FredrIQ]

The biggest issue with redstone in BE isn't the lack of quasi-connectivity. Sure, it renders a lot of Java builds incompatible, but at least it doesn't make BE redstone unusable by itself. No, the real problem is that BE redstone is *inconsistent*. It doesn't do the same thing each time. For a logical system such as redstone, it makes all but the simplest builds more or less impossible.

[@longiusaescius2537]

@FredrIQ1994 Thank you!

[@Sayos_13]

​@@FredrIQ a lot of the inconsistency comes from how the tics work, on java anything can work on any tic, but on bedrock observers for example can only activate on odd number tics and rails can only activate on even number tics, also java has a set order, so if you have two things powered by different things (like a block or torch) it will always be the same order but bedrock it's 50/50

[@emaany1839]

The is also no update order making certain machines broken. Also sticky pistons can't spit blocks in bedrock

[@when-do-we-get-a-block-button]

​@@FredrIQ YES! the inconsistency is horrible! i made a huge (redstone intensive) castle gate and it would only properly work a good 2/5 times? while ive only had issues on java with my own mistakes, not the games.

[@WitheringWilly]

I always played on Java, because that's what I started playing on and I like to use mods. I recently started playing Bedrock so I can play with my niece and I was surprised by how different it is. I LOATHE that I can't carry a crossbow in my off-hand.

[@chrisk6637]

Deal with it, it's not the end of the world because you can't carry crossbows in the off hand but i think they sould add that in, it would be a good quality of life change and also very cool, imagine being in a cave and shouting arrows at mobs with both hands, it would be so cool but it's not the end of the world because it isn't in bedrock

[@DinoWattz]

My theory is that we only can't put cool stuff in offhand because of those non-split touch controls on phones, with those controls, items like the crossbow in your offhand would make you unable to break blocks (or even use it)

[@Misterd12ll]

@@chrisk6637 Deal with it java negs no diff deal with it your dad left ya.

[@Misterd12ll]

@@chrisk6637 ''cool'' I smell some cap.

[@TFBPDK]

@@Misterd12llwell perhaps you should get your nose checked if your smelling things in comments

[@kaynugro]

As someone who grew up playing Bedrock but watching Java on youtube, I never did understand why people were so quick to jump on people for playing Bedrock. As far as I could tell there really was no point in getting defensive over Java. Everyone I know and watch play Java. It’s not like it’s hurting for representation. And I have never once seen anyone say “Bedrock is better than Java” Watching this video and reading the comments, though, I think I understand better what people’s concerns are :D (I do admit that I get really defensive too but that’s because I can’t even say “Bedrock Edition” without getting blasted with “10 reasons why Java is better and why Bedrock sucks”. I wasn’t even trying to have that debate guys, can I not just enjoy my game? D’:)

[@Villagerwarrior]

Like seriously, that's freaking suck.. there's always those dumbass who keep spamming and insulting those who play Bedrock Edition when given any opportunity. I don't even understand why this even necessary when majority of Bedrock player even know that Java is more superior.. heck, I also got Java version even back at Minecraft PE Alpha 0.15.0 period and all the PE player always tell me how lucky I am. There's absolutely no point on bullying the Bedrock player who already have many limited feature compare to Java and Microsoft taking advantage of the Marketplace.

[@kailomonkey]

Yea I agree, especially reading the comments it's easy to see what an emotional subject it is for many people. But at the end of the day it's implausible to demand that Java Edition be compatible and identical to Bedrock Edition because Java would lose its modability and huge history of mods along with all its custom community maps and games. Having 2 separate games is really the best possible outcome, merging the 2 would make everyone way unhappier! Java Edition definitely needs a better tagline though like OG Community Edition or other names I've already typed in comments today :P

[@Cazelous]

It is an aggression for you to be playing the Microsoft backed capitalist scum version of Minecraft, please correct your wrongdoing as soon as possible

[@water3477]

@@Cazelous nah everyone’s good

[@microwavebrain1035]

It least it runs on my computer callmeloser or whatever your username is

[@gamermanzeake]

Because fools exist. You can enjoy both, or just enjoy the one you prefer.

[@PrecisionCalc]

5:13 if i remember correctly, when Microsoft took over they DRAMATICALLY increased the speed of the mobile version catching up to the PC version, in fact it felt almost instant. But before that, Mojang's progress on mobile Minecraft was dreadfully slow and felt like it would literally never catch up, especially since the PC version itself was evolving faster.

[@flowerthencrranger3854]

I remember when all of a sudden 0.11.0 and 0.12.0 came out. They all of a sudden started adding pc features fast. 0.10.0 barely looked like beta Minecraft, and 0.12.0 was almost like the full 1.0 release

[@axelhanson4947]

I think the reason was that bedrock was originally meant to be used while shitting or when on a bus, but its purpose changed. It was one of the most popular games on mobiles, and that could also be done for other platforms. Though I prefer java due to nostalgia, playing another crazy big iteration of minecraft that used to be for the toilet sounds a lot cooler.

[@PrecisionCalc]

@@axelhanson4947 there was no bedrock edition for phones, it was just the pocket edition. Which they did work on , but again, updates were so slow. After Microsoft took over thats when they introduced their bedrock edition

[@andrewstacey8429]

@@PrecisionCalc There still is no bedrock Edition on phone. Just Pocket. What can trick people is that pocket Edition Also is called Just "Minecraft".

[@andrewstacey8429]

@@PrecisionCalc K?

[@paveldobcz23]

I mean, Java Parity seems to be their main focus actually, which means that Bedrock is getting features from Java slowly every single update, while Java is getting parity changes only if it neccesarly fits the update, like lava cauldrons in 1.17, Bedrock on the other hand has in like every second beta changelog parity issue fixes list.

[@landenfalkowski417]

Yes I agree with that, however there is a few things that they need to prioritize because a lot of the smallest Java things are the ones I want to see. Maybe a community vote could turn 1.20 into a big parity update that would bring a lot of features that were once exclusive to both versions, as that would help the debate calm a lot ( I at least hope it would) and bring the Minecraft community together as a whole.

[@bulbasaurhimself8914]

Almost every minecraft video that isn't their top 10 videos or answering questions videos is about mc bedrock

[@BumpDev]

Yeah but it could be done faster... It only takes a minute to change the number on the durability of a crossbow (that's just an example)

[@novaace2474]

they did publicliclly say that there trying to keep bedrock up with java for example 1.16 was released on both versions at the same time.

[@StinkyKraken]

I just hope java does not get bedrock bridging, makes it too easy in my opinion.

[@cookieskoon2028]

I've been with Minecraft since before its primary demographic was children. That was a long time ago, and I am among the small slice of adult players today. As a result, I am loyal to the Java edition. That said, I am also too old to argue about it. I am less upset about which is better and who prefers what, and more upset at why a multi billion dollar corporation isn't backing the developers to close the gap between the two.

[@pilotbug6100]

I do prefer java due to mods, but I do own Bedrock and enjoy it. would be interesting if you could install mods to a Microsoft account login in bedrock, and use a mod that is supported in the language, it would be interesting to see mods packs like FTB get ported over. I doubt that could happen because of console and Phone TOS.

[@twilightsparkle75]

i still remember when i got minecraft. i bought it the night before Nether dropped and the price increased. i got it when ot was still like 10$ usd. kids these days dont know real minecraft. kids these days know the minecraft that was forced to change "birds are tamed with cookies" because friggen impressional idiots started to actually feed their pet birds cookies...

[@Jason75913]

but they are gradually chipping differences away, biggest one lately is that seed numbers now work the same for most of the world generation between versions, I read buildings spawn in different locations, but otherwise it makes it dead obvious that Microsoft is trying to eliminate the gap, and once the two versions are identical, you can bet Java will be phased out due to it requiring a middle man in programming (Java Virtual Machine) unlike C++ (what Bedrock is written in and is a far more suitable language for coding games) it is clear to me that Microsoft doesn't want to kill the Java userbase by simply dropping Java cold turkey, which they could have long, long ago - obviously, they're either really nice or (most likely) they are making enough money in Java Edition sales to motivate them to continue Java support

[@James_7118]

From a bedrock player, we don’t use marketplace, and people need to stop treating it like you need to pay to play the game, it literally changes, nothing

[@Napoleon_e2]

THANK YOU

[@Napoleon_e2]

most people saying "mods are free on java" prolly only use optifine

[@GlaiswetzProduction]

Fr, like all of my bedrock skins were made using only marketplace items for free and I never spent a penny for a skin. People are just overreacting about that

[@poobla7638]

Ive played the playstation for so long and the transition from ps4 edition to bedrock is different too. You can feel it immediately since the movement is different, ps4 feels more like java movement but optimized for a controller and generally feels better than bedrock. You can switch between the 2 versions, though as we know ps4 edition stopped recieving support up to the bee update, and they feel and play different. I prefer java over bedrock but the "3rd party" ps4 edition was in the arguement for a while just overshadowed by bedrock since java players viewed the 2 as the same, but they just werent. All 3 version are different from eachother and i wish ps4 edition was still updated because i prefer that version over bedrock. Microsoft forced me to play bedrock, but i dont like all the things that was different between the 2, some i liked, but most i didnt. I played java before bedrock, lost that acc, and bought it again and lemme tell you it feel different and awkward to transition between the 3 in any order. Im a weird person that prefers ps4 edition over both bedrock and java.

[@ambroseruhlman5405]

oh god that must suck. I'm a java player but we really shouldn't get pissed about bedrock. At least when bedrock came out it didn't replace the version we were using. really sorry about that man :(.

[@capriss_1937]

Im a ps3 player and i think the same

[@krimson8317]

Minecraft xbox 360 and xbox one stan here, completely agree. I hated using bedrock when the original xbox versions lost support because everything felt wrong.

[@alshamsi_1232]

Imo bedrock movement and general gameplay Is smoother however I was upset when I found out that the PS4 edition minigames aren't coming to bedrock

[@vinsplayer2634]

After that transition, I started using java instead of bedrock, and when playing with friends, I just don't use the newer versions.

[@sakarua2368]

I like java more because i grew up playing java. I tried giving bedrock a try for multiple weeks but i just couldn't get over the *uncanny valley feeling* and how buggy it is

[@firstnamesurname2482]

Can explain the "buggy" thing? I'm just curios. Because it means that both have equal problem then. Vanilla Java is unoptimized as hell, Bedrock is buggy.

[@sakarua2368]

@@firstnamesurname2482 random pauses of the game (especially during autosave), Redstone being weird and just overall inconsistent farms

[@just888why]

Ahh sh*t; Here we go again WAR!!!!!!!

[@chlorobyte_projects]

Bedrock just feels like... a modern Microsoft product to me. Takes ages to load anything and often fails to connect to the Microsoft servers. So many attempts at multithreading that it causes a metric fuckton of issues. Crashes. Windows 10 being the only PC platform it's available on (I'm on Linux, so the only way I can play Bedrock is on my phone).

[@space-eye7760]

@@sakarua2368 Redstone is meant to work differently in Bedrock compared to Java

[@MCNarret]

I started playing when the nether came out (turns out I was mistaken, I joined a little after that), and I mean when it actually came out, the halloween update (turns out it might have been the adventure update instead). All tutorial videos I watched had no hunger bars, zombies dropped feathers, birch wasn't useless, cobble was cool, and cooked pork looked like steak. All other versions were just that to me, other versions, and I see the original as the normal/standard.

[@thomastailby7926]

But doesnt birch have more uses now than what it used too

[@cerebraldreams4738]

@@thomastailby7926 - You can make a REALLY nice looking column with a single block of polished andesite at the top and bottom, and four stripped birch logs in the middle. It's like how diorite is perfect for swimming pools and ponds, particularly when you add some plants, gravel, clay, course dirt, coral, and calcite to mix it up a bit.

[@roxrequiem2935]

When you say they added the nether, do you happen to mean the Nether Reactor?

[@4R8YnTH3CH33F]

I remember checking Notch's blog every single day for updates back then. Such different times! I loved reading technical updates and about side projects, like that space game he was working on. Nowadays, keeping up with Notch is not as well... Not as constructive of interesting.

[@MCNarret]

@@roxrequiem2935 no, specifically when they actually added the nether, 1.8 beta or something.

[@Violets_and_Madness]

It really is odd how people will attack somebody for playing a certain edition of minecraft. I was called some names including "Poor", "Peasant", and a "Worthless Guttersnipe" because I played Bedrock and said I could afford a computer for Java. Until that point I didn't know there was classism in the minecraft community

[@rabbiyosef6127]

well at least you ended up with the real version of minecraft

[@F_Du_Sea]

PCs are cheaper than consoles.

[@Philip-qq7ql]

​@@F_Du_Seanot everyone plays on console and not everyone who plays on console bought their console, also being cheaper doesnt mean its cheap, a house is cheaper than a mansion, does it mean anyone can buy a house?

[@dinoshi64]

​@@rabbiyosef6127 You are not helping the classist issues lmao

[@Violets_and_Madness]

@litlecreacher6501 Affording a good PC is hard. Upkeeping that good PC is harder. Do you know how often you have to clean those things to keep them in pristine condition? Meanwhile I got out my Nintendo wii after 10 years in a shed and that thing is still working. I have myself a gaming laptop now after finally being able to afford to get one, but I have to make sure it stays clean, has proper AC, and keep it plugged in at all times.

[@GelatoTaco]

This is a minor struggle I've had in the past few years as most of my friends played on xbox and I was the lone PC player in the group. The Cross play update came out a bit too late in our group's lifespan so we didn't even get to make much use of it. I grew up on Java edition as far back as 1.1.6 and would later add a handful of mods so even today when I just occasionally log on to play some vanilla survival I gravitate to Java over bedrock. I've tried to get that little bit of survival going on BR but it just doesn't mesh with me. Definitely one of those "Uncanny Valley" situations.

[@naptom8841]

Relatable

[@jordan-ko3xt]

i thought you said 1.16 lol

[@The1Wolfcast]

I can strongly relate to being the only pc player in your friend group

[@alwaysneutral2100]

You put quotes on uncanny valley, then proceed to use it in the most incorrect way possible. I don't mean to berate you, but that's not how you use that.

[@TlalocTemporal]

@@alwaysneutral2100 -- How is "close but not quite" the most incorrect usage of uncanny valley you've seen?

[@sapphireknight8391]

For me I was originally a Bedrock player, but my friend introduced me to Java and now I love Java way more with a Passion. I don’t think it’s just by memories, but it also depends on what we want from Minecraft. I like the variation of Java of world customization, world seeds, skin customization, and the fact that there isn’t a micro transaction for everything. But Bedrock means different things to other people. So even though I cannot find a logical reason in my mind why someone would prefer Bedrock over Java, I will chill out and let them appreciate what they appreciate about it

[@rohankishibe6433]

honestly, i think that java is a power fantasy, and bedrock is a more relaxed experience. but sometimes it feels like the only reason people play bedrock is because they're used to console controllers, and/or cant afford a pc. I dont really have a preference though. i may be a bedrock player, but honestly if the blocks and gameplay are the same then i dont care.

[@ESCL2004]

@@rohankishibe6433 oh, this is very much the case for many student BE players. I share a computer with the rest of my family, and it's already slow enough without Minecraft on it. And money is another factor; my friend's parents wouldn't let her buy online games, so she resorted to downloading pirated version of BE. While I'd like to try out mods and texture packs on java, I'd have to wait a few years when I can get my own laptop so bedrock it is

[@mohammadazad8350]

I played bedrock for a long while on my phone and I enjoyed it, but every time I want to do something I get reminded by how much better it is on java, killing endermen in an endermen farm, moving items between chests, flying with rockets, crawling, repairing tools with a tool in the offhand and a sword in the main hand, redstone, iron farms, curse enchantments, mobs picking up items, spectator mode, hardcore mode, amplified, large biomes, and the finall one that I can think of now is sound, the sound on Java is enough to let me choose it over bedrock

[@sorashadow9775]

I like to fight Chad bosses, bedrock have harder bosses than Java

[@mohammadazad8350]

@@sorashadow9775 They are unfair and not hard, I've experienced and beaten the wither on my phone and I can say it's unfair

[@tornadoduck]

I appreciate bedrock for what it is and what it brings to the table, but the inconsistency between both versions makes it too jarring to make bedrock my preferred version, as the visuals seem off, lack of f2p customisability for anyone who isn't Windows 10, way less technical than java in terms of both redstone and commands, lack of f2p experiences like maps and mods/addons, offhand is way too annoying in what you can hold. But there is to say that bedrock ultimately beats java in terms of playing with friends as it a lot more accessible with the general audience and some of version exclusive features are nice like cauldrons containing dyes and potions and snowy leaves.

[@disintegr8]

"Visuals seem off" that's because you're used to Java. It's same with bedrock players with java, making that point invalid.

[@tornadoduck]

@@disintegr8 That would be true if both versions came out at the same time, but java is the original

[@infernosakai]

@@disintegr8 could just be me but i started with bedrock and the color of grass always seemed too vibrant for me. small detail but made grass not look as good imo

[@olzhas1one755]

It has microtransactions. Sorry, but that instantly makes it the inferior version. It's not sold for like 5 or 15 dollars, it's 30 and they also hammer down microtransactions down your face.

[@nothingherezero7182]

@@olzhas1one755 your saying that like they force you to buy the maps I mean Now at least map Developers are getting some money for their hardwork

[@kachelstacktus]

I kinda disagree with premise of this video. While I know there is some "debate" about this, the arguments for both versions SHOULD lead to pretty straight forward conclusions. This is literally every info you need for a decision: If you play alone and are on PC, you play Java If you are playing with friends and everyone has a PC, you play Java If you or a friend you want to play with doesnt have access to Java, you play bedrock. I have literally experienced this exact thing. I started playing on pocket edition for years before getting my first laptop. As soon as I got that, I switched to Java. Now whenever my cousins are over, I boot up bedrock on my PC, laptop and phone so we can all play together. As a PC player, who has paid for either version, you should by now have gotten (free) access to the other one anyway. So its not like you'd be required to stick to only one for financial reasons. So just use the one appropriate for the job.

[@beanoptodon]

I can't make myself play anything with micro transactions, when I already play a version that has so much more mod support and you can have your OWN designed skin FOR FREE.

[@insert_username_here]

Yeah, and the whole buying skins thing on Bedrock doesn’t exactly make sense to me, as you can literally just download or make your own skin for free.

[@breznknedl]

@@insert_username_here wait you can? Why wouldn't everybody just recreate the cool paylocked skins? Thanks i didnt know that lool

[@TheFlyfly]

true, a lot of microtransactions are dumb. like, i dont really get the emotes thing and there's a lot of marketplace maps which aren't worth your time. like, 5$ for a modern house or for a TNT add-on which has already been made multiple times. thats not to say that there are no good things in the marketplace and there are even free things which are of really high quality. if you want to understand more of whats in the marketplace i'd advise you to watch some of ibxtoycat's marketplace reviews. regardless of whats in there though, i can personally ignore the entire thing pretty easily. i've bought maybe 1 or 2 things ever and ive made a great skin with only the free in-game cosmetics. also, you can still get free addons and maps from places like MCPEDL, so the marketplace isnt your only options. i definitely understand not wanting to play a game which has things you can buy when youve already bought the game itself tho. it can feel like all the company wants from you is money

[@mrfhd6227]

I personally don't mind using the marketplace. Some of the texture packs can't be found online and are really good, so I don't feel bad about getting them. I get the issues about the other stuff though.

[@WeekCraftYT]

You realise you can make skins for free on bedrock right?

[@sideways5153]

I feel like the Java/Bedrock schism is a real-time look into how groups tend to break apart in the real world. Java vs Bedrock is kinda like two different countries that speak the same (or just very similar) languages, separated by geography, resources, and other parts of life that the sibling country doesn’t share; at the same time having so much tying the two groups together that in spite of some vitriolic disagreements between the two sides, outsiders struggle to distinguish the two groups from each other. England vs Ireland/Scotland/Wales, Sunni vs Shiite, and Catholic vs Protestant (or vs Orthodox) are related groups that come to mind. The conflict still doesn’t really make sense, but it’s not completely unique or unusual. Also, the things dividing people from each other in this case are clearly rooted in the parent entity which owns and develops Minecraft, so it’s easier to identify, track, and recognize the impact of the divisions that separate Bedrock players from Java players

[@anomalocarislover7254]

Really well put, I believe no group can stay together forever, as very small differences will almost always build up into large divide between large groups. Pretty sad how people can’t put aside their differences, but what are you gonna do.

[@aqelabatata]

I feel it bro, a lot of friends played java while i only played bedrock(i still only play, but now is because I prefer not because of money) and they found a bit weird to play(bedrock), but some time later we would both be happy playing together, and the minor changes can be funny with friends. And playing java some years ago I found kinda cool(and easier, please mojang nerf the hunger on bedrock), not that many differences at all. And as you said, the true problem is they not trying to see the other side. (Also nice written comment, mine is just complementary with some personal experiences)

[@snackoman1577]

the chatbox alone makes me refuse to switch to bedrock edition

[@thetrolluminati9714]

Me an outsider being able to tell who's bri'ish, sco'ish and i'ish. As for the people of wales.... ahemmm Arthur is their to take i guess ? But since the bri'ish stole him away, I guess they too are bri'ish ?

[@Jason75913]

@@snackoman1577 you don't have to, why do you feel that you "have to" switch? friends?

[@Eh.........]

To simply put it as it is, Java is for a in general better gameplay, and a more advanced mechanisms. Bedrock Ed is for fun, aka multiplayer across many different platforms. and BIG SALMONS

[@yusufwijaya5195]

java edition if you want to play the original survival gameplay

[@huider8177]

@@yusufwijaya5195 its original but the gameplay sucks tbh

[@4cuck]

@@huider8177 Not really...? That's subjective, one could also easily say "Meh, Bedrock is made by Microsoft but the gameplay sucks tbh".

[@football_chronicles669]

AND GLOW ICE. bedrock multiplayer is better with friends tho

[@pluto5988]

@@huider8177 Hardcore mode , Spectator mode, significantly better mod support, less buggy, better established, no micro transactions, more skins, optifine support, a well balanced combat system, ability to play any older version, custom servers, smoother UI, more freedom in game, better custom world generation, more world generation options, advanced settings. I could go on, Bedrock is all about compatibility but aside from that and some other minor features it has nothing on Java (Original) Edition.

[@ilzuab8467]

Community wise, this is clear cut: Google a mob Farm for anything, search up a Minecraft questions, google a Tutorial or watch a building video, you'll always notice the same thing: They're always first about java, and then, after a lot of java videos, there are some Bedrock videos. On the wiki, everything is explained for java with annotations for bedrock. This is just because today, the actual active and vocal Minecraft community are mostly java users. I wouldn't say that Bedrock is necessarily the one with a smaller player base, but the player base is by far younger and less active in the community.

[@Napoleon_e2]

yes, most people of that age just can't afford a pc, and its maintenance, where they get gifted a console or tablet and just enjoy the game

[@GlorytoTheMany]

No one mentions that despite Bedrock is on a wide variety of platforms, it's not on Linux while Java Edition is. In addition to everything mentioned in the video, I also have the fear that I won't be able to play Minecraft anymore in case JE will be finally killed off. Though likely that Bedrock will eventually get ported to Linux, I just can't be sure.

[@cometlake6582]

It will never get a Linux port in my opinion. Microsoft sent devs to Mojang to make mcpe 0.12.0 just for a win 10 release. Literally it took 4 months to get 0.12.1 on mobile after 0.12.0 released exclusively on win 10. If Linux market share improves to like 90% It may get a port but the current market share does not justify porting it to Linux. Education edition does have a Mac port btw meaning that it won’t take any effort to part bedrock to macOS yet they have not.

[@HeyItsHades]

I started out on Java in 8th grade in literally the first year of Minecraft existence but then dropped it as it was such a new game and lacked a lot of features. Came back to it about a year or two ago and got the windows 10 version as I thought I was just downloading minecraft Java from the windows store. Played very heavily on windows 10 and enjoyed it even once I found out it wasn’t Java. Then I switched to a macbook for development and have even using that ever since so I recently got Java again. The two games feel completely different and there are a lot of things that I really like about Java that brings nostalgia for the game I once played. But, being on a mac, the fan is always at 100% while playing minecraft and I miss how smoothly everything ran on the windows 10 version. I wish they would port windows 10 version to mac so I can have both installed or greatly increase the performance of Java

[@uwuifyingransomware]

As a primary Linux user, I get this. I can't see why Mojang would kill off JE without first porting Bedrock to as many systems as they can, including Linux, but there are other concerns too. E.g., most of the technical and redstone communities are on Java because of its self-consistent behaviour, and it's not hard to imagine there's a big crossover of those players with Linux users. As such, if JE were to be ended, just within this relatively small community there would be so much backlash, and I can't imagine how other circles would react as well to their own issues they'd face.

[@nightmarerex2035]

wouldent surprise me, i couldent claim my windows 10 bedrtock becuase i dont want fucking windows 10 and they want everybody on that garbage.

[@karimrir1609]

I use artix linux btw, arch but without the systemd init system, Even if they ported bedrock to linux and killed java I would hate it, Bedrock is completely proprietary and it's impossible to use something like fabric mappings or the official mappings to decompile, and modding is very limited.

[@CN-yb5gn]

My biggest gripe is redstone working almost completely differently at anything past a base level that it can be infuriating

[@georgeflower6651]

fun fact: there are always at least 12 people who are "first"

[@SlenderGuy]

OK

[@animatingshadow]

Your pfp scares me...

[@Idkwhattoputherelolwtfcringeee]

I know right

[@pumpkine7177]

@@animatingshadow you don’t scare me do I scare you…

[@animatingshadow]

@@pumpkine7177 nope

[@denisp8432]

Like a lot of the differences are so minor its incredible,how hard is it to add hardcore mode to bedrock, it cant be more than a few lines of code for it to stop being playable after 1 death

[@Bio_2288]

Theres bugs in bedrock edition that just randomly kill you

[@Bio_2288]

And also you can just play on hard and delete the world if you die

[@Napoleon_e2]

@@Bio_2288 yeah butyou'll feel bad if it's years of your life

[@Napoleon_e2]

@@Bio_2288 yeah, ima phrase it like a java player would if they had these bugs and say i hope they get fixed instead of randomly bashing on bedrock, after all all games have bugs and you just gotta fix them 😀

[@TravellerHD]

Bedrock featuring microtransactions and having virtually no mod support is its biggest downfalls for me. And can you have homemade servers for bedrock? Crossplay support is such a great thing though that it almost makes up for it to me.

[@R8Spike]

It has great mod support, as just launching the mod launches the game. The marketplace is a official mod site that is paid, yes, but you can just skip over it. Also bedrock is infantely better for pvp, due to less risk bringing and more features with spam click.

[@2001herne]

@@R8Spike Exactly. Paid. Nothing is a pasion project, and any slight change is at the hands of a megacorp. And as for spam-click combat... Yeah, that was removed from java for a reason.

[@skrrtdotcom9120]

@@R8Spike yes but rlcraft is free, also the spam click combat doesn't add more mechanics, it takes away from them

[@penecactus]

Yes, you can host a server in your pc for anyone to connect for free (if you don't have computer know-how realms is also an option)

[@himedo1512]

You can crossplay between java and bedrock with special server packs. So it doesn't even have that

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

I bought Minecraft in like 2011 and was recently thinking about getting back into it. I was confused af by the Java/Bedrock terminology at first. 😂

[@snintendog]

Java Feuture rich with modding availible best played on PCs Bedrock barebones odd balencing Microtransactions But is cross plateform somehow despite C++ being rather picky on consoles but java being an out of the box setup....

[@etflu]

Finally a Sponsor. You deserve it dude. Keep it up, awesome content!!!

[@RetroGamingNow]

thank you!

[@PunishedKrab]

@@RetroGamingNow but sadly, it ain’t NordVPN ;-;

[@cowpoke3611]

Ya know, I’m disappointed growing up I used to think Minecraft was for everyone… but with such a divide between communities it just comes across as being shallow. If you bully one side or the other you’re the problem with Minecraft, because it shouldn’t matter what "edition" you play Minecraft should be for everyone.

[@TheBMGGaming4182]

You nailed the point!

[@sul4]

a minute in and i’m loving the editing

[@SlenderGuy]

@@ronin2387 bruuuh why

[@GuusKlaas]

To me there's a few major difference as well: community perceptive. A lot of youtubers start out using spectator mode or replaymod for their videos, and share their builds/redstone (don't have to be a redstoner to do redstone) on Java, at which point you hear it doesn't work on redstone. It caused a subcategory of youtubers/technical minecrafters to appear who publish "safe for bedrock" stuff. Those that don't, usually have the question: "does it work on bedrock" high in the comment section. There's a generation of gamers now who start a game because they see it online, and as such, they get pushed to Java. I wish it wouldn't matter, but with even resource packs (not full blown mods) like 'armor stand book' being so dominant on Java, I think that a divergent evolution is just... so far, that we can genuinly speak about 2 games. Just call one... "Boppo". Everyone likes some Boppo! Another factor is the performance. While the FPS/world rendering on bedrock is sublime (buttery smooth), when it comes to fuller worlds/redstone, it oddly is Java that catches up; especially when running stuff like auto sorters/item ice/water ways/mobfarms.

[@KingJellyfishII]

For me it's the technical mechanics. Bedrock is nowhere near as "deep" of a game as java since its automation, redstone and various other technical things are not nearly so developed. Bedrock is absolutely fine or maybe even better for building, but anything technical and I will stick by java until they add feature parity.

[@woutervanham8246]

As a guy who prefers bedrock (mainly because i can take my device wth me easily and physically gather with my friends), I absolutely think this is true. I've always loved the idea of making my own stuff with command blocks, but whenever I try to invent something myself, it's always more limiting then when I try it on java. Love both versions tho

[@ukuviispert9599]

Bedrock imo is in no way better for building, on java u have so many tools and mods to make it so much faster

[@KingJellyfishII]

@@ukuviispert9599 yeah absolutely but bedrock does have better performance and better cross platform abilities so it has some merit. Java is just much more flexible though

[@proliloli2141]

As a java user, I've always liked how bedrock edition had chests and barrels that could be moved with pistons. It has plenty of cool features and it's a shame we can't just give both of them the best of both. Then we can forget about bedrock because it doesn't give you as much freedom and is not cross-platform (operating system wise)

[@KingJellyfishII]

@@proliloli2141 yes I agree. although if you install the carpet mod that allows moving of chests and barrels, and you can disable all other features but most of them are pretty good anyway

[@Dragonburst___]

finishing a video from this channel feels so satisfying

[@noahdillon9908]

Ik he probably plays Java but he brought a very unbiased view to this argument

[@RetroGamingNow]

I really dislike that so many JE/BE videos are so clearly slanted, so I wanted to approach this one from a different perspective

[@noahdillon9908]

@@RetroGamingNow Yeah the war is more about nostalgia and not actual differences

[@UltraAryan10]

@@noahdillon9908 I just don't wanna get bullied for preferring bedrock though.

[@UltraAryan10]

@@spets234 I have both versions but literally every java player tells me to play java only despite preferring bedrock for reasons like performance, multiplayer etc.

[@UltraAryan10]

@@spets234 Thanks. I just play Minecraft for Minecraft anyway. What version is it? Does not matter.

[@Oliver_Flower]

Honestly just play whatever version you prefer. If a person criticizes you for playing a certain version then don't listen to them cause they are a really sad individual if they are angry over you playing your preferred version of a game.

[@JustARando01]

Or as my mom says : "Mind yo own business"

[@verynormalcactus]

its like being vegan vs non vegan both have benifits

[@merafirewing6591]

@@JustARando01 "Mine your own business."

[@chickennugget6684]

I’ve played Java growing up and while i personally prefer it, i won’t get mad at someone saying they prefer bedrock, especially if it’s the only one they’ve played. ..But it someone starts figuratively yelling and screaming about how bedrock is absolutely superior to Java in every way, then they’re gonna get clowned on.

[@sumninl2615]

@@chickennugget6684 No one says that. It's always Java players starting shit.

[@RaymanMArenaCommunity]

I play on PC, and when I tried Java, it didn’t work, so I had to start out with Bedrock. When I eventually did find a way to get Java to work, I could confirm that “uncanny” feeling. It felt so different, and I went right back to Bedrock. But as I’m seeing all these amazing Minecraft videos, I’m honestly considering leaving my comfort zone and giving Java another try.

[@thedorklord1029]

I play Bedrock almost exclusively, and I have kind of just categorized both versions into different types: Bedrock is for people who want to enjoy the base game of Minecraft. Building cool stuff, hang out with people, build cool stuff. It is, in my experience, more user-friendly than Java. The reason I consider Java to be less user-friendly is that it is more technical; there is a lot more depth, and a lot more potential in the code itself. I don't think that this is inherently bad, as, let's face it, the vast majority of people who play Minecraft are casuals, and are not as concerned with understanding who the ins and outs of the game work. The bigger problem is people beating the ever loving crap out of people because of which side they prefer.

[@breznknedl]

I agree, and in my opinion it's very cool to have for example the f3 screen or the f3+ g/q/h/... These quick debug functions are just incredibly useful and its kinda sad you dont have those on bedrock

[@asc3nded397]

Totally agree. Bedrock is better for the game itself, Java is better for all the mods and stuff like that

[@s10055072]

same

[@seemeslegit3765]

java is no more complex.

[@cometlake6582]

Another thing is the multiplayer. On bedrock it’s sign in and add friends while on Java it’s set up a server and port forward

[@sabinebdx2]

You're so right with the uncany valley effect. I started a world on Bedrock after 8 years without playing minecraft and thought that it would have less problem than Java without knowing it was so much different. Played few hours and wanna switch to Java because of interface and mods but I invested so much now...

[@atanaZion]

You can change the interface to the one from Java,tho

[@dumb-shark-king]

@@atanaZion it doesn't feel the same and options are missing

[@thatsstoguy]

@@atanaZion It still feels wrong.

[@BlockMasterT]

I’ve been playing on bedrock for years, and I finally got a pc and tried out Java. Everything on it just feels dimmer though, even though I made sure the brightness was up.

[@thatsstoguy]

@@BlockMasterT monitor and game brightness?

[@semblanceofsense_8951]

This was a great take on this debate. This is why I paid the extra $30 to have both versions. That way I can play with my friends on Xbox, and play Hypixel with the boys on the discord server.

[@musikid_official]

I think it's crucial to stay civil and collected during these debates. That's how I try to go about them. They just get too heated sometimes. I also think it's important to have an unbiased viewpoints, but it's the internet. Next to nobody is unbiased. My personal opinion? I think both versions have pros and cons. Bedrock has easy multiplayer and a bunch of great QoL, but the microtransactions are pretty scummy (especially considering the cut Microsoft takes) and the experience doesn't feel as smooth as Java in my opinion. Java feels smoother (again, in my opinion) and has easier mods as well as abundant things to do (farms, machines, etc.) that Bedrock may not have simply due to the codebases processing things differently but multiplayer is either LAN or servers so it isn't as easy and lacks some nice-to-haves from Bedrock. These pro-con lists are extensive, and for me Java's pros outweigh the cons more than Bedrock's pros do their cons. But I'm perfectly fine playing both versions. I grew up on Legacy Console Edition- when we got our first PS4 the first thing my big brother did was show me how to play Minecraft (I absolutely love him). I then spent about 3 years maining various forms of Bedrock (PS4, pocket, Windows 10, and Windows 11) and then got Java for the first time in 2020 when Mojang was still rolling out minor updates to 1.16.

[@epsii48]

Personally, I think the reason for the differences between the versions is because the new developers disagreed with a lot of the original design choices, and wanted to change them without breaking old Java mechanics and setups. They would've figured, since most players will stick to one version, parity isn't necessary, and they should instead do what they feel works better as they develop it. The reasoning makes sense, though I really wish they had put more work into making the games equal--especially when it comes to UI feel.