Why is the MISSING Last 4 Minutes of Jeju Black Box CRITICAL?

[@TakingOff]

Here's our initial report: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmS4kIV7nMx0qs0

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

The pilots pulled both fire handles for both engines. That killed the power.. It wasn't some big catastrophic explosion.

[@Sherlock245]

Sabatoage

[@akrounds]

After Jeju 2216 hit by birds, engines broken, flaps broken, landing gear broken, and now both black boxes broken, curious the name of the bird?

[@anicetomaldonado]

A dodo

[@mautre]

The black boxes weren't "broken". There was never any data recorded there in the last 4 minutes.

[@jonyjoe8464]

the widowmakers

[@margaretWestminster]

Could it have been a drone

[@cooljeansguy]

It's called, "Boeing."

[@dperreno]

This whole incident just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

[@robbedontuesday]

This was so from Day 1... only people kept saying: "We have to wait for the black boxes...". There goes their expectation

[@neychev]

the first strange thing is that there was someone taking a perfect video of the crash ... at a small village area airport. What are the odds... is it clear who is the author of the final video?

[@dperreno]

@@robbedontuesday Yeah, I was one of those people!

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

The pilots pulled the fire handles for both engines, which shuts everything down (because it is a terrible design)

[@KrGsMrNKusinagi0]

@@Toro_Da_Corsa we dont know if both engines were bird strike failures as well. again there is no evidence without the evidence.. all we can guess it what we see. And then the cause of the deaths a seperate issue the design of the end of the runway

[@gajofre]

So these boxes work great unless a general electrical failure? So people and NTSB have to pray the failure is not electrical to know what happened? I'm having a hard time believing that's the level of safety we are getting.

[@SYNtemp]

That's the result of flying the "legacy" of 60ties... the type was certified allmost 60 years ago, and every time some technical improvement became mandatory, Boeing either asked to be exonerated completelly or at least postponed instalation/change until last possible point... see EICAS mandatory for planes after 2022, does ANY of the maxxes have it?? NO, and even those not yet certified (supplementary certification of "amended" type) have allready been asked to not have this item when they eventually come into production...

[@wolframio26]

Meanwhile Space X is launching their rockets with full satelite connectivity with HD camera (30 camera in starship) and if something fail their trillon sensores Will tell them inmediatly the error. They don t have to pray for finding those 2 black boxes. We are still flaying with 70s tecnólogo and not 2025

[@greeneyesms]

Did you watch the video? Battery back-ups have been mandated in the US since about 2003, a few years after this aircraft was made. Also, foreign governments have different regulations from what we have in the USA, per the narrator.

[@canlib]

May not have been a failure. After the bird strike which may have caused an engine fire, the electrical system must be shut down in order to release halon into the engines, which is shown by the white puffs coming out of the engine in the video from underneath.

[@E.D.M-i9n]

because its not true. those boxes have battery back ups...

[@shooting4star2023]

The only thing that this Jeju flight is better than MH370 is the plane didn't disappear.

[@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel]

Two people survived the Jeju crash.

[@StraightOuttaPaddock]

i mean.. in a way it dissapeard into fireball and milion pieces

[@anniz9148]

Not only that people thought they have “landed” on soil and were relieved. At least they died with hope not fear.

[@didier7868]

MH370 disappearance + Boeing 737 MAX scandal have discredited for a long time US agencies FAA, NTSB... and now the batteries were empty !! Who will believe this in the 21th century?

[@pianowhizz]

@@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChanneldepends what your definition of ‘survived’ means… if to you it means crushed vertebrae and a quadriplegic for life… then yes, but for most people they’d envy the dead.

[@flightsimdev]

Don't forget that not only did the CVR, and FDR stop recording 4 minutes before the landing, also the transponder went out about the same losing data from the air to the ground, it's an odd one as the video showed the reversers open, reversers are typically deployed using hydraulic power, which is controlled by the aircraft's electrical system.

[@JerjerB]

That's what makes no sense

[@ConcertShutterbug]

Both reversers are seen?...

[@Blixey-r9z]

@@ConcertShutterbug Only engine 2’s reverser(s).

[@flightsimdev]

@@Blixey-r9z We can't see the other one properly but say it's only 1, electrical system is working.

[@johnscustomsaws]

Must have been a hell of a bird...

[@jeremy-cb2nn]

HOW??? HOW??? How in 2025 are commercial aircraft not sending real-time telemetry somewhere automatically? F1 cars have had that technology for YEARS NOW.

[@robbedontuesday]

@@jeremy-cb2nn there is much more money involved in compensations and who should pay ... so better keep it in a mist... ery

[@christopherrobinson7541]

Why? Simply, too much data, too little bandwidth and too little storage. Also some basic data is transmitted by ADS-B, but to view these data this signal has to be received by ground stations and then up lifted to the main site and the distributed. This is a line of sight system and coverage is poor in some regions. There also systems that upload data to satellites, but again the bandwidth is limited.

[@jeremy-cb2nn]

@@christopherrobinson7541 A Starlink-type system would work though, would it not?

[@malahammer]

Money and weight! Do you want to pay so much more for your ticket?

[@ZiggyMercury]

No way. No way! The black box doesn't have a battery? It makes no sense to me. One of the obvious reasons for plans crashes is if all electricity and hydraulics go down - and these are usually both dependent on the engines, no? So how come the CVR/FDR were ever allowed not to be backed up by batteries? Also, they are supposed to transmit a signal for a long time after a crash, so that they can be found (e.g. in the middle of the ocean) - how can they transit such signal with no battery? Or is the battery for signal transmission a different one than the one for the actual operation of the device?

[@raven4k998]

Dragon ball Z rules✊✊ have a cookie🍪🍪

[@canlib]

The puff of smoke in the video could possibly have been halon extinguisher tanks releasing due to engine fire alarms from the bird strike, which requires all electrical power to be disengaged for use.

[@tonamg53]

I think the requirements for CVR to have an independent power source is effective from *7th April 2010* Below is what I found from FAA website: “In March 2008, the FAA issued a final rule adopting many of those proposals (73 FR 12541; March 7, 2008). The requirements were adopted as aircraft certification or operating rules, some of which take effect on April 7, 2010, and include: • The addition of a 10-minute independent power source for the CVR” Also the Jeju 737 that crashed was operated by RyanAir for around 7 years… so I don’t think Korean regulations got anything to do with the requirements on the plane as they were not involved when the plane was ordered and purchased from Boeing.

[@stevestevens9046]

Thanks Dan for the update

[@StephenKarl_Integral]

Question for pilots and engine engineers: 1) How performs an engine (hypothesis for #2 here) if a large flock of birds damages the MAIN fan to the point almost all if not all blades are halved (broken) and only torn bits from the roots in front of the turbine intake remain? In terms of instrument readings (if still powered, not dark, what kind of readings would we have, EGT, N1, Temp, etc.), what would you (pilot in the cockpit) observe? In terms of thrust output, shaft RPM, compressor behavior (...) what do you (engineer) suggest? 2) in the same predicament, with engine #1 flamed out, and engine #2 so crippled, but at full turbine power, how the alternators would behave? Will they work just fine, or they could die fast? People are basing their reasoning on engine #2 running, thrust reverser should work fine. But aircraft just goes straight ahead without turning, appears to me to have zero or nearly zero asymmetric reverse efficiency. Why is that? Either deflectors are not deployed (highly unlikely, it's mechanical, lever driven per deflector = highest redundancy in a single engine, tied to the reverser cowling), or the exit grid is clogged (how the odd? Anyway, the sheer pressure would blast any obstructing debris outside), or the MAIN fan isn't there or is damaged so badly it does not produce enough thrust. It could even be SOMETHING ELSE I don't recall right now, or I didn't even knew were possible (ie: never stop to think out of the box). Similarly, predicament: engine #2 is running, thrust reverser is deployed, hydraulic pumps are electrically driven, so, THEY MUST HAD POWER..!! Yeah, most likely, but can you prove the impossibility of having PARTIAL power, a case where anything near the engines are.. fine, but everything else a little away have been CUT OFF?? As content maker stated, we NEED to get over our intuitive reasoning, and find IN DETAIL what actually happened, even if it's HARD! I believe MANY questions has to be asked, MANY assessments to be verified or invalidated, requiring in deep investigation, TESTINGS, therefore, an incredible amount of TIME. Strangeness to me doesn't mean "impossible, or blatant intent to hide the truth".

[@markyates5744]

Oscillations to fly around birds failed and meant they were a bit of for initial landing. Double bird strike. Loss of electrical power explains why they landed so quick and didn't deploy flaps or gear. Manual gear takes too long. If the bypass fans were damaged on engine 2 they thought they had thrust reverse but didn't. So were still jetting down the runway under the inside jet part of the engine. Hence why appeared not to be slowing much. Didn't realise burm at end of run of was so solid. Had initially saved the people. Runway design eventually meant a tragic end

[@thompson37]

Juan Browne (Blancolirio) has done a very good initial analysis of this accident, including a look at the aircraft's electrical system.

[@iitzfizz]

This is frustrating news indeed. The accident has been mysterious from the start and now it only gets more so. This does correlate with the loss of ADS-B we saw for the final 4 minutes. There must have been some sort of massive electrical failure second to the bird strike. I will be following closely for more updates.

[@theGENIUSofART-understood]

that's just doesn't happen.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

@@theGENIUSofART-understood The pilots pulled the fire handles for both engines and that kills the power to and from them

[@wolfsisterhowls]

​@@Toro_Da_Corsathere would be some record of that decision on the Black Box if that had happened, right before it ceased recording. More likely a total electrical failure occurred, but let's see what the investigation uncovers.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

@wolfsisterhowls Nope. There's no other way that explains it. It will.show the power cut. That's it

[@wolfsisterhowls]

@@Toro_Da_Corsa prior to the power cutting, the pilots would have communicated that decision to each other during troubleshooting. That would be captured audio before the power gets cut

[@grandnagus5851]

Let's hope they will find some helpful info on what got recorded before the last 4 minutes of the flight.

[@robbedontuesday]

This accident will go into History as the flight where everything that could go wrong, went horribly wrong.

[@fastica]

That award goes to the Tenerife disaster.

[@Kat-zj5kd]

this accident will be where if they landed the first time, they were fine.

[@AvgMallufitguy]

Every distater is just the same.

[@zl6198]

Pilot did a good belly landing

[@stephenshoihet2590]

that's almost every crash

[@cbuchner1]

As far as root cause analysis for the accident is concerned, there should be enough data on the FDRs to explain the loss of both engines and electrical generators. This will hopefully provide enough insight to prevent a repeat of this situation.

[@hanglooserecluse]

So they say …. On another note, in other crashes, cb radio recoridngs between ATC and the aircraft are usually recorded by the tower or anyone intercepting the radio signals. Why haven’t we heard any recordings or transcripts between the pilots and Air Traffic Control?

[@p6x2]

Because there was no more communication with the tower to be recorded after the pilot declared the emergency. From the Mayday, Mayday, Mayday onwards, it was radio silence.

[@mmmqua]

It was released on the first day.... "Mayday, mayday, mayday. Bird strike, bird strike, go around.". That's all there was before communication cut out (as far as we know right now).

[@robertlee6338]

Pilot - ATC communication stopped and the recording stopped at the same time. Note: 737-700 pre 2010 the black boxes are not backed up by battery and only powered by either of the engines

[@user-qd2me]

@@p6x2 didnt they ask atc for permission to land on the other runway

[@jameschalkwig787]

You guys are really sheep believing ATC tower flight controllers stopped talking to the plane right after that Mayday! There are more but the transcript not release.

[@stevenwest000]

Especially with so much speculation re this incident, it was even more critical to have the CVR and FDR.

[@Why_250_Vortex]

The plane was initially leased by Ryan Air, so that may be why it was not following FAA regulations

[@mautre]

It's because it was manufactured in 2009, a year prior to the new back battery mandate going into effect in 2010.

[@RobbieHatley]

The "critical" 4 minutes were actually the 2 minutes before and 2 minutes after the initial event which precipitated the crash, the event which prompted the crew to make a "Mayday" call; *_those_* 4 minutes are *_not_* missing. So, yes, the FDR and CVR will be very helpful. The missing 4 final minutes at the end are a setback, yes; but it was always the 4 minutes *_before_* that which were more important anyway, and *_that_* data is intact. So the investigation will proceed. I will be very interested in seeing what the causes of this incident turn out to be. By the way, *_what_* is up with the people you attract to your comments section? Of the first 20 comments I saw, 17 were *_so_* idiotic that the persons making them appear to be either toddlers or severely brain damaged. I didn't even bother trying to engage; I just gave them a Thumb Down and moved on. You may want to rethink your approach regarding CLICKBAIT titles with WORDS in all CAPITAL letters AS those do TEND to ATTRACT the unintelligent. Educated persons do not communicate in all-caps.

[@cassandratq9301]

Good point on which minutes are missing.

[@RealRickCox]

I sure hope the airline as well as Boeing can learn from this situation and find ways of improving aviation safety.

[@victorialawhon2251]

You are awfully optimistic. This is Boeing after all. But it would be nice if they did.

[@shaneskillzrepresent]

lol boeing learn? hello? where have you been?

[@RealRickCox]

@@victorialawhon2251 I know. My brother is a 747 captain... so my "hope" is a little more personal. I want my brother to stay safe.

[@iitzfizz]

The 737 does not have a RAT.

[@TakingOff]

FIxing that. Thanks for catching

[@theviking2877]

Don't need the RAT for voice and data recorder. Battery can power both and the voice recording at the cockpit. Data should be the only recording lost with total power outage.

[@Hamsterz380]

@@theviking2877nope the black box is only power by both the generator from the engines

[@simster1001]

But it had a mouse

[@goggobus4076]

The aircraft Boeing 737-8AS HL8088 was purchased by Jeju in 2017 from Ryan Air. A European airline that should have followed the requirement to have battery backup on the CVR.

[@RosssRoyce]

Thanks for wise commentary/analisys!

[@stephenshoihet2590]

The real question is why did the pilots decide to go around instead of landing? Bird strike/engine out isn't a reason to go around... at the point of the bird strike they should have been prepared and stabilized for landing and if they'd landed in that direction, they wouldn't have had the concrete "wall" of the localizer to crash into. I know people want to know why this happened, i know people who don't understand what happened think this looks like some kind of conspiracy but the reality is that this was probably almost all caused by pilot error and or incorrect training/procedures because a whole lot of things had to go wrong for this to happen and many of them are covered by redundant/manual systems. NTSB figures out the cause of most private plane crashes that don't have a FDR/CVR so it's likely the cause of this crash will be determined, it might just be more difficult and/or take more time.

[@rockman1942]

@@stephenshoihet2590 decided to go around is the biggest mistake in this accident

[@SithLord2066]

Your question was answered by Hoover on his channel. He analyzed the ADS-B data and noticed erratic altitude changes during the approach BEFORE the first bird strike. So it looks like what happened was that the pilots noticed a huge flock of birds ahead of them and attempted to avoid hitting them by maneuvering the airplane BEFORE THE STRIKE. That would mean they were no longer stabilized for landing and deciced to go around before the actual bird strike happened. It's also possible that the gear and flaps were already retracted when the bird strike happened. CVR and FDR data when it is released will tell whether this is the case. The last few seconds of recording before they stopped working wil still reveal a lot.

[@korettopun1203]

Yep! That's what a lot of pilots have said! Go-around is the worst mistake

[@wolfsisterhowls]

To be fair, the go around only seems foolish because of the final outcome. Pilots are trained to trust their instincts about final approaches and if they had NOT chosen to go around and somehow had a fatal outcome everyone would be shouting that they shouldn't have been in a hurry to land and could have afforded to go around to guarantee a successful landing (especially as it doesn't look like both engines had failed yet at that point).

[@mautre]

​@@wolfsisterhowls 💯💯💯💯💯

[@tubzvermeulen]

Thanks for the Video

[@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel]

I don't understand why the black box data isn't being streamed in real time to a computer on the ground. Airlines have huge budgets but they're using ancient technology.

[@GH-oi2jf]

That would be far more expensive and less reliable. It is very rare that the black boxes are not recovered from a crash.

[@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel]

@GH-oi2jf they're already offering streaming phone / internet connections. The cost is a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the plane. They're already gathering the data. Really not much more required to send it out wirelessly. The cost to recover the black boxes from one plane on the bottom of the ocean would be way more. They also never found the plane from flight MH370.

[@discorangutan]

Agreed, data transmission (we're talking intermittent streaming byte/s of data packets, not continuous Gigabyte/s like home users) is cheap compared to the cost of a plane and safety of the passengers. Insurance companies should look into this.

[@Quephara]

Airplane Internet is not built to the same standards as critical devices ​@@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel

[@SuperiorMind]

@@GH-oi2jf It's not expensive and adding another layer of protection increases reliability. That's the point. Also it is not "very rare" that black boxes are recovered. All statements you made are false - and for what motive? Don't you want to be able to figure it out to save lives in the future? Strange...

[@happyendingtang4025]

The "fact" that it's missing makes it absolutely critical.

[@WilliamMartinez-o8u]

No...rudder valve problem was solved till a 3rd plane almost crash but did make it safe, so they have pilots and plane, so they discovered the valve issue when exposed to cold then warm oil !

[@esphilee]

There is still enough data to determine if the electrical power were cut first, or engine 1 was shut don by mistake.

[@rmadridista369]

Doesn't matter, the Blackboxes doesn't only rely on engine driven power to record

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@rmadridista369 they do in older 737s

[@stephennowlan2637]

It just occurred to me while listening to this, if the left engine was shut down accidentally there would have been conversation recorded discussing shutting down presumably the right engine prior to the total electrical loss. Thus pointing more toward multiple engine failure rather than pilot error which has been a popular theory.

[@SimonWallwork]

Clearly an 'Electrical Emergency' so all generators are OFF. The GA must be recorded though, as the aircraft climbed and the gear and flaps were retracted, so at least ONE engine was running. Then either they shut the remaining engine down by mistake or it failed. Strange thing is, the right engine appears to be running when they landed.

[@szaki]

They said, the right engine was in revers trust at the time and after landing, so it was working 100% or partially? Meaning giving power for the plane! Maybe that's why the APU didn't needed?

[@jessicapigg]

Thanks for this video. May I ask why you didnt mention that the ADS-B data (that I understand was received in real time) also cut out four minutes before the crash? Also, has it now been evidenced that the plane completed the right-turning teardrop, because I thought there was some debate about that?

[@roeweathers]

Question. What ends the recording. I know it’s the last 30 mins. But what signals it to be the last 30 mins. Total power loss?

[@adamsaunders3413]

It's on a 30 min loop, deleting previous data?

[@Expat_Jimmy]

What about Air Traffic Control tower, is there no recording from the tower in those last 4 minutes? Because we heard the officials mentioning the Mayday and Birdstrike call.

[@knockeledup]

If the plane had no power, how was it making any calls to ATC?

[@Expat_Jimmy]

@knockeledup It had power, it just wasn't recording. Clearly the 2nd engine was still running.

[@wolfsisterhowls]

​​@@knockeledupthe last communication with the tower (the Mayday) happened right before that 4 minute mark, actually Edit: so essentially, comms to ATC seem to have gone radio silent right around the time that the blackbox stopped recording.

[@vgrof2315]

The big question - Why didn't the crew land on rinway 01 during the first approach to the airport? They were all aet yp to do so. ????

[@christopherrobinson7541]

The crew elected to go around. Normally this would not occur if they had had a bird strike and had lost one engine. However they were warned by ATC of bird activity, which may have prompted the crew to go around with two serviceable engines (to avoid the birds). The engines would throttle-up, the undercarriage would be retracted and the flaps & slats stowed. If then there was the a bird strike, damaging one or more engines, then the crew would not be in a position to land ahead on runway 01, but would continue the go around for runway 01. If then the situation became worse, eg; having issues with both engines, then the crew would elect to land on runway 19, as they could not make it to runway 01.

[@I_Evo]

​@@christopherrobinson7541Yet the last ADS B data point which we can assume was after the bird strike(s) and before it lost electrical power showed the aircraft 6 miles out, 1700ft MSL 144kts and descending so why climb and go around?

[@user-yt198]

They must have seen dense bird flocks ahead. Also some com to ATC must be lost due to bad signal. That is why CVR data is important. If bird strike happened after go around we should find it in the CVR even without the last 4 minutes.

[@robertlee6338]

Note 1: Black Boxes CDR had a data port damage and was sent to NTSB without KAA looking into it CVR had no damage and KAA downloaded the data but was missing the last 4 minutes, so was sent to NTSB The above rules out KSS wiping the final 4 minutes of the black boxes as CDR was only looked at by NTSB Note 2: Battery backup CDR and CVR was NOT mandated for battery backup by FAA for Boeing 737 planes built before 2010 Note 3: Total electrical failure ATC-Pilot communication stopping coincide with CDR and CVR stopped recording - ie total power loss Note 4: Engine blow back video Just because we saw third party video of one engine blowout, does not eliminate that the other engine was ok. It could be the fact that the other not filmed engine blowbacking that lead to the person aiming the camera towards the plane. Note 5: Electrical Generator The electrical generator is driven by the front rotor blades on both engine, if the rotors over/under spin the generators cuts out to limit damage. The engine could be running "functionally" but if front rotors are not working the generator will be not producing electrical power. Also the engine will not be producing full thrust as the bypass will not e working Note 6: Turning off the wrong engine Pilots are trained to NOT turn off engines without going through the check list. Even badly trained pilots would consider turning off the engines immediately. It takes minimum three minutes for the pilots to calm down, gain composure, read the checklist and perform the required presses of buttons/levers to shutdown the engine. This 3 minutes indicate the pilots would not have had time to perform a go around, perform the checklist, maneuverers to the airport and attempt "technically" a great belly down landing (sadly the barrier caused the death)

[@CanyonBlue737Capt]

RE: "Note 5: Electrical Generator The electrical generator is driven by the front rotor blades on both engine" That is not correct. The IDG and its component generator is driven by Engine Accessory Gearbox, located inside the nacelle. The Integrated Drive Generator (IDG) consists of the generator and more directly to your statement, a Constand Speed Drive (CSD) The CSD coverts variable input of the engine into a fixed rotational speed for generator. So that the Generator can provide a fixed frequency to the Aircraft Electrical network no matter what the engine RPM. The conditions which will cause an IDG to auto disconnect are: High oil temperature Low oil pressure Under-frequency IDG failure Engine shutdown IDG automatic disconnect due to high oil temperature IDG low oil pressure is caused by one of the following: IDG failure, engine shutdown, or IDG automatic disconnect due to high oil temperature. It has nothing to do with N1 (fan) speed.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

@@CanyonBlue737Capt So what you are saying is, the 737 is a pathetically designed aircraft. That relies exclusively on engine thrust for the data recorders to work. This is so manifestly stupid that I cannot believe it honestly, without more proof. And I will never fly in a US designed aircraft again. What other systems in the aircraft could be designed so utterly wrongheaded and stupid ? I don't want to find out. I'll just fly on an Airbus. I don't know literally anything else in the world, that has electrical components that are isolated from the battery system and rely on direct motion from the alternator.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

So basically, the 737 is the worst designed aircraft of all time. And maybe the worst combustion powered form of transport of all time. How could anyone possibly make the data recorders rely exclusively on engine thrust ? How is the public supposed to trust flying when there are designs as manifestly stupid as this ? I'll never set foot on a Boeing aircraft again.

[@CanyonBlue737Capt]

@@Toro_Da_Corsa Tell us you know nothing about transport category airplane systems, without actually telling us you know nothing about transport category airplane systems. No, MSFS doesn't count. You minivan groundling children are so silly.

[@Toro_Da_Corsa]

@@CanyonBlue737Capt I assumed that the industry was smarter than to make the data recorders of an aircraft rely exclusively the literal thrust from one engine. But I guess I shouldn't assume anything anymore. It is so ironic to have the data recorders rely on engine thrust that it is actually comical.

[@mistyshan2777]

After the Bird Strike call, the plane went up and retract the landing gear so the electricity was still working at the time for sure. If they want to claim the recording was missing then they should at least to say 3 minutes some seconds. But the plane fly back to the runway 19 precisely except landing gear and some late touch down. I believe up to the landing it was still fine...

[@christopherrobinson7541]

A go around may have started before any bird strike.

[@I_Evo]

​@@christopherrobinson7541Well it hadn't'when they lost electrical power as the last ADS B data point shows.

[@wolfsisterhowls]

​@@christopherrobinson7541 that's very likely. The available information suggests they weren't stabilised on the initial approach attempt. Possibly they chose to go around to AVOID bird strike and then ended up being struck shortly after.

[@hankulator961]

Without the CVR/FDR, we will never know what really happened. It all will be speculations or educated guesses at best. Like why they did not put the gear down using the manual backup system.

[@cageordie]

Boeing, and the airlines, persist in taking the cheap way. There is no reason not to record all important data and voice communications on aircraft and hold it until maintenance can archive it. I don't mean half an hour before it is over written, I mean a thousand hours and more. This isn't the 1950s. We aren't recording on wire. The first MicroSD card I found lying around which came free with something is 32GB. That would record 555 hours of uncompressed high quality audio. The one I use in my camera would record 1110 hours on 16 channels. Memory isn't an issue. I work on electronics for canon shells. Hardening the thing also isn't difficult. Batteries to power these things for days are also easy to get. There are no valid technical excuses for not recording everything.

[@gregwoods57]

Unions

[@timmycarey1958]

A pilot friend of mine said the unions are the reason.

[@Heckatomba]

Modern 737s have the option for a 10 minute Recorder Independent Power Supply (RIPS) which this video also mentioned. Why it wasn't available on this flight must be answered by the investigation Also the FAA has finally gotten around to mandate 25 hours CVRs on new aircrafts (after the NTSB have been asking for this for more than a decade). Hopefully this will be extended to old ones as well

[@fewwiggle]

@cageordie -- Why is it up to Boeing to implement this? Why aren't the airlines demanding it? Or, how about the aviation authorities?

[@gregwoods57]

@@timmycarey1958 absolute fact.

[@campbellmorrison8540]

There was no batteries installed on these two recorders!!!!

[@christopherrobinson7541]

These backup batteries would be external, but yes, there was no backup.

[@nicholasespinoza9610]

new planes yes, this is an older model where it was not required.

[@Lonsome1223]

One thing for sure if the APU was online for landing that aircraft could have been saved. Hope in future APU switched on for landing and take off.

[@christophergagliano2051]

Well if they lost the electrical system, then I doubt they could start the APU

[@cassandratq9301]

Didn't Sully do that almost first thing? I seem to recall someone commenting that that single action by him saved all those lives.

[@christophergagliano2051]

@@cassandratq9301 no I don't think they started an APU, I believe that the Airbus type aircraft has what's known as a RAT, RAM air turbine that extends below the fuselage and generates electrical power, but not the 737.

[@Nameisnotimportant]

@@christophergagliano2051If both engines fail the most critical aircraft’s systems will continue to operate. This is because there’s a battery backup providing power to them. As long as battery power is available it is totally possible to start the APU in fact that’s how you start the APU on the ground in order to power up the airplane when there’s no GPU (Ground Power Unit) available. The issue with APU however is that in case of the Boeing 737-800 it can take around 60 seconds to start up and without the data it is hard to say whether the pilots had enough time to start it.

[@christophergagliano2051]

@Nameisnotimportant Yes I think we can assume both engines failed, completely or partially so they were in a glide mode and I'm sure there was pandemonium in the cockpit so these guys couldn't go through an APU air start in the very short amount of time they had. I think that pandemonium caused them to forget to put the landing gear down and the flaps down. When I used to fly with my dad in the Bonanza we confirmed no less than three times that the gear was down. 1) when the destination airport was in sight and we were below gear speed, the landing gear went down. 2) at midfield on the downwind the gear was confirmed to be down. 3) on final approach, landing flaps down, gear down.

[@jjstevenz]

5:41 man look how far down the runway before they landed, if they would have landed before the numbers they would have been able to stop, sad.

[@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel]

Two words to understand. Ground effect.

[@jeremy-cb2nn]

Not as fast as they were going.

[@VeraldOsu]

i feel like they are just keeping secrets, they dont want to add more fuel to the situation to make it worse

[@mmmqua]

So, you're saying that the NTSB, a United States government dept., is colluding with a foreign government to illegally cover up and falsify their findings regarding one of the worst aviation disasters in recent history???

[@mmmqua]

So, you're saying that the NTSB, a United States governing and oversight dept., is colluding with a foreign nation, to illegally cover up and falsify their findings regarding one of the worst aviation disasters in recent history???

[@mautre]

So you really believe that the NTSB is lying, not even for themselves, but for another country??? Yeah, ok.

[@skkuedu]

I have watched many airplane crash investigations, but I haven't yet heard of this type of issue with the CVR and FDR. Would be nice if you had tried to list what could have caused this particular and quite unique situation.....

[@andrewjackson5127]

Wouldnt, we have at least some initial indication as to whether or not both engines? We're operating at some sort of speed based on the damage observed?

[@shandusa]

Has this ever happened before that a Boeing’s data and voice recorders stopped functioning a few minutes before a crash landing? Or at the moment of an engine failure during flight?

[@williamturner1517]

If the pilot can execute a go around and traffic pattern, the pilot could have landed straight in!

[@SuperiorMind]

The fact that planes can be remotely controlled is a bit of an alarming possibility to think of. Not sure why they'd wanna turn it around and run it into the wall tho.

[@StephenLuke]

Ugh!!! How is that possible???

[@CodyCha]

a complete electrical failure.

[@ssuwandi3240]

Hacked. Remotely controlled by nearby objects.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

​@@CodyChadoubt that. 4 min before crash means it stopped even before first landing. In first landing plane was stabilised for landing, flaps down, landing gear down. In second landing flaps were up and landing gear were up. Meaning they went up between the landings and thus electrical systems were working in order to do so

[@CodyCha]

@@thecompanioncube4211 no, the pilot called "mayday. bird strike. go around" at 8:59 and the plane crashed at 9:03 The key to the puzzle is ADS-B data. ADS-B is flight data that is broadcasted live to the world, captured live by the public. It stopped broadcasting at around 8:59. You can independently verify this from many different companies. There's no reason for this happened unless there was a power outage. That plane did not have backup battery or power source that would kick in to power the blackbox in a case of power outage.

[@SuperiorMind]

@@thecompanioncube4211 The only reason I could see to stop continuing the landing and do the turn-around and retract everything... would be to ensure a disaster. Probably not what happened - but let's not overlook possibilities. Otherwise a bad set of decisions and gradual loss of rotations (and total lack of backup) could maybe cause this - if somehow both engines failed... both possibility are a big big maybe... I guess with more evidence we could put the puzzle together and prevent another incident.

[@rutgerongering40]

Please stop focussing on the Cockpit Voice Recorder, and give us flight data. Even with the last 4 minutes missing The last four minutes of the flight may not have been properly recorded, but whatever happened up there happened shortly before the end of the recordings and relevant flightdata should thus be available. But more importantly: these unfortunate people died because their plane impacted an obstruction at the end of the runway. Not by birdstrike, not by engine failure, not by pilot-error or any other malfunction.

[@pavelavietor1]

What ! they went dark while airborne, no way. saludos

[@leroycharles9751]

When the left engine on that DC-10 separated, it took all the associated hydraulics with it.

[@patrickpaterson4334]

Need to find the QAR or quick access recorder and see if any data can be recovered

[@SenileOtaku]

I wonder if the systems made the pilots *think* the gear was down, It had been down before, so if some failure in the electronics retracted the gear, the pilots may have presumed it was down without rechecking. Or in their rush to land they had retracted it for some unknown reason yet forgot to put it back down. Or someone selected the wrong switch which retracted it when it was too late to put it back down.

[@MeisterHoora]

It sounds strange that the pilot didn't set landing gears ready at 8:59, exactly when they declared the May-day.

[@SedSid-v7b]

5:34 at 9:02 the "plane hits the runway", no, it didn't happen! The plane didn't just hit the runway normally, that was the "main" cause lead to the catastrophe! The plane hit the runway with a speed way higher than it was supposed, specially in the emergency it was facing.

[@wjhann4836]

Certified in 1998 - for me not. Parts of the certification are handed along from the first 737 ever, so parts of that certification you mention may result on a certification 1968

[@artphotognh]

I've never once heard of a Black Box & CVR failing many minutes before the crash. Sounds extremely suspicious! Can anyone give a hypothetical reason that both would stop recording after a bird strike?

[@mmmqua]

Total power/electric failure.

[@joefish4466]

No battery backup on the black boxes with complete power failure. When on final approach, pilots need to just land and not go around, a lesson learned from Ryanair 4102.

[@alanstevens1296]

1,500 pound bird -- severe damage

[@oldgeezerproductions]

I think it is more than obvious that a coverup is in progress. It exceeds all credibility that these heavily armored and massively redundant devices failed, amazingly enough, at the exact moment they did. At the exact moment and for the exact length of time necessary to hide what really happened. This alleged data "glitch" is far, far too much to credit to a hardware failure, two hardware failures and I don't believe it. Almost from day one I have felt that the most likely cause was panic on the flight deck leading to a series of deadly, unprofessional mistakes that finally ended with the plane slamming at high speed into the berm far past the end of the runway. I am not a bit surprised that this critical data is "so unbelievably," but so conveniently missing because it is probable that revealing the extent of pilot error would be extremely embarrassing to the families of the pilot(s), to the airline executives and to their training program and have grave financial consequences. In addition, with all that is going on with the government of Korea, the country does not need another black eye. It is further my opinion that all this will come out, but perhaps years from now when the truth is more manageable and the wrongful death suits are settled.

[@gottagowork]

They sent the first one over when the connector was found broken. The other one when they found data to be missing. Maybe they did so to show it hadn't been tampered with, as any attempted tampering would leave physical evidence? But no. Of course everything has to be a conspiracy and coverup these days...

[@allan8752]

Totally agree

[@mindful47]

U r absolutely right on point . It's the Koreans , what can we expect ? Nothing .

[@wolfsisterhowls]

Eh, Comms to ATC cut at around the same time as the black box stopped recording. If there had still been radio Comms after the Mayday they would have leaked by now (the airways are monitored by amateurs as well as by ATC) but there's nothing. Literal radio silence. That doesn't match with the conspiracy theory that this is a cover up after the fact, but rather with the working theory of a total electrical failure (+-hydraulic failure). The question now is what was the sequence of events

[@mautre]

ADSB stopped transmitting at the same time too, which corresponds to the idea of catastrophic electrical failure. That ADSB data was there for all to see in real time. As far as I know, nobody involved here could even possibly manipulate that before all the rest of this.

[@thefoosa7342]

I called it when the boxes were recovered. Said all along the Koreans will cover up as much as they can(besides us watching a plane smash into a army strength fortress wall. If not for that one guy filming, no one would have seen the carnage. Wonder if that filmer is safe at the moment (I'm not kidding).

[@manygoodman]

Are you korean friend?

[@kirstinmorrell]

I don't think that's accurate. What are you basing your thoughts on?

[@manygoodman]

@kirstinmorrell you are 33 years old basing on your profile! Apart from the joke, I don't know what the dude is basing his info from. People just assume things here. They act like all knowing all hearing. 90% nonsense predictions and the time they get the 10% right, they are like I said so!

[@gottagowork]

@@kirstinmorrell To him the world is probably flat too. Of course when you're trying to hide something, you send one of them directly over for data extraction because of a broken connector, and the other one you send over when you find out data is missing. Why would they send them over? Maybe to clearly show they haven't been tampered with, as any tampering to open them up would leave physical evidence of such attempt. Also "army strength fortress wall"? I mean, wtf? It was a berm with a flat concrete slab on top; at that speed the berm alone would have done the same thing, and several other airports have a similar berm construction - beyond the RSA of course, so within ICAO specifications.

[@lucar.923]

@@kirstinmorrell Maybe because govs/bureaucracies, so called authorities etc. are corrupt by definition? 🤷‍♂

[@ironblud]

Anyone else thinking EMP?

[@prasasea]

Do the maintenance people check the health of backup batteries often?

[@BlueSpruce2]

I hate to point out to you that the original owner of this Jeju 737 was Ryanair delivered by Boeing in 2009, so unless the Europeans didn't require battery backups for the Black Boxes, it should have been sold to Jeju with battery backups for the CVR. You need to dig a little deeper...

[@JerjerB]

This!

[@jameschalkwig787]

They not going to dig. It is like sheep mentality all believing word for word what released publicly.

[@CodyCha]

No, Ireland nor EASA mandate battery backup for blackboxes in 2009. There I did the digging for you

[@anthonyfaccaro7118]

​@@CodyChaSo why didnt they update the older planes?

[@anthonyfaccaro7118]

​@@CodyChaSo why didnt they upate the older planes?

[@stephengrimmer35]

@6:45 you say the gear was down. In the compressor stall clip the gear is still up, and there is considerable altitude, so if it was down, they lowered it, then retracted it again AFTER the bird strike. So much for a hydraulic failure!

[@wolfsisterhowls]

Wait, no. I believe the sequence was gear down--go around and retraction--bird strike--total loss.

[@mixter7x7]

The APU will come on line in about 60 seconds if operational, but IS NOT in the QRH procedure. Most flight crews leave the APU gen switch ON when shut down - meaning once it reaches op speed , the gen will come on automatically. The crew declared mayday approx 3 minutes before touching down. Foreign flight crews do not fly like U.S. pilots do. They are different. They don't think the same way. Logic would dictate they shut off both engines accidentally with no time/ altitude for a restart and no APU on line.

[@SuperiorMind]

What's weird is that should be common sense as something not to do... even if you aren't a pilot.

[@canlib]

Maybe not accidentally, halon for engine fire needs all electrical systems off to release the extinguisher tanks, shown by the white puff in the video.

[@joaoroman9583]

So we have to assume there was a dual engine failure happening at EXACTLY the same time, because if engine 1 failed before engine 2, during that time there is power being delivered to the recorders and they, AT LEAST, recorded engine 1 fail. This is HIGHLY UNLIKELY i should say. And we also have to assume there was no time to start the APU. And that they couldn’t lower the gear by gravity whatever the reason was. This may be too much to accept…? One can speculate if someone has interest in erasing the last 4 minutes of the recorders.

[@Robawm..]

I'd like to hear what Boeing company would say about CVR and FDR

[@GrandmaKeith]

If they were already configured to land, they should've just landed instead of the go around

[@iitzfizz]

I agree. If they were stable on the approach they should have just continued, obviously something much worse happened second to the bird strike. We do have the luxury of hindsight though.

[@p6x2]

When they hit the birds, and declare the emergency, you can see in the video they are not configured to land. The landing gear is not deployed, and the slats are not deployed.

[@Lonsome1223]

That's because having been informed of birds near the runway they decided to go around but it was too late.

[@mmmqua]

It seems they weren't stabilized.

[@mmmqua]

​​@@p6x2 That video was taken after the go around was initiated. There had already been multiple bird strikes prior to the video start. At the beginning of the 1st landing attempt, before the bird strikes, they did have gears down.

[@donfisher8035]

Look, it's simple. For some unexplained reason the pilot or pilots did a GO AROUND. My understanding is that the bird strike to right engine happened AFTER. On go around flaps retracted, gear up. Perfect response. It's apparent that the left engine was shut off by mistake. The fan blades would have been twisted on impact. They're reasonable considering. The thrust reverser appears "on" when the plane is skidding. That shouldn't be like that. Means it was STILL running on impact with the runway, not shut off. No thrust, no reverser. It's right there. They shut off the wrong engine. Both engines compromised could cause circuit breakers to flip. That model doesn't run on battery back up. They had no choice but to skid stop.

[@pa600a]

The 737 in my opinion struck birds in both engines and the confusion started there on which engine to shutdown as they were both unstable.. This scenario is not demonstrated in the simulator. Haste destroyed the methodical process normally used in the shutdown procedure. Once the left engine was shutdown they realized the right engine was only producing reduced power hence the quick return to the field. As far as the landing gear situation I believe that the non-flying pilot retracted them unbeknownst to the flying pilot during the go-around.. At this point the egpws landing gear warning system has shutdown with the loss of AC electrical power and will not warn the crew that the gear is not down. My question is the flying experience of the First Officer? Did the Captain believe that he was flying solo?

[@ryanprice748]

They have the data. What they found on the recorders was a monumental embarrassment to the airline, the pilots, and to South Korea. They are desperately trying to save face.

[@dudemanismadcool]

It's mind blowing how poor the chain of custody is for a Blackbox, of an industry supposedly steadfast on maintaining transparency and continual improvement.

[@Deploracle]

Most likely to have occurred. Thanks

[@CodyCha]

@@dudemanismadcoolthe ADS-B data stopped transmission 4 minutes before crash too. The whole system went down. There’s no coverup.

[@mmmqua]

So, you're saying that the NTSB, a United States government dept., is colluding with a foreign government to illegally cover up and falsify their findings regarding one of the worst aviation disasters in recent history, all so that (in your frankly outdated, xenophobic, and derogatory opinion), Koreans can somehow save face??? How does that even work?

[@dudemanismadcool]

@@CodyCha Didn't say there was, but there is still a huge conflict of interest there.

[@jeffgraffunder]

Why didn’t the Ram Air Turbine deploy? Was it also an unordered ever installed option? Everything on a plane, even thrust reversers and an APU are options, when the plane is constructed.

[@zl6198]

Dumb dumb. It doesn’t have one.

[@rockman1942]

737 doesn’t had RAT, but instead it had 2 power batteries can last for 1 hours in total

[@franklinarguedas4832]

Missing data or deliberately deleted recordings?

[@wolfsisterhowls]

Comms cut at the same time. ADS-B data cut at the same time. They would have to go back in time to make those two things happen if they deleted the recordings. More likely nothing recorded, just as with the former

[@asifnothingeverhappend]

Sounds like a giant cover up.

[@CodyCha]

no, it only confirms that there was a complete electrical failure. We knew the ADS-B data was missing just after the incident, which was puzzling. Now that we know all of the flight data recorders got cut off at the same time ADS-B data stop transmitting, we can safely conclude that it was power issue.

[@mautre]

​@@CodyCha 💯💯💯

[@michaelallen1396]

@@CodyCha The CVR and FDR are on the hot battery bus, they could not stop working unless the crew pulled the circuit breakers.

[@CodyCha]

@@michaelallen1396 no, they are not on hot battery bus. They run on AC Transfer Bus 1, and AC Transfer Bus 2 as a backup.

[@thedumbaviator5536]

@@michaelallen1396 On recent 737s yes, but on the ones older than i think 2010 they are not connected to the batteries.

[@williamhoole2065]

Incredible

[@Mariobrownio1989]

Why are they trying to cover this up? Just confirming what we know already, and now we are certain they WOULDN'T be addressing the issues

[@madhatta6902]

I think they'll have to use the flight simulator to figure out what exactly happened in that 4 minutes, which they will have to list different scenarios. Which well, hopefully, find what happened . Also, if the two surviving crew members can help, also.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

The sim will be useful, but it is unlikely that the surviving crew will be able to offer much help.

[@mayday_metronomus4860]

Why don't airlines send their data to a server on the ground? In 2024 we are still looking for steel boxes and hoping they survive the crash?

[@christopherrobinson7541]

Too much data, too little bandwidth and insufficiently storage. Some basic data is transmitted by ADS-B out.

[@CMK_AV]

You can see no1 engine sucking birds at just about the same time no2 compressor stall happens. Regardless of how the no 1 engine was shut down it's obvious they only had minimal thrust on no 2. This aircrafts energy state was so high when it crossed the threshold, there was no converting that energy without the wheels and brakes. They likely set the flaps and gear and never thought about it twice as there was no time to confirm in their minds as they had to hotdog that 737 around to land on opposite runway. Was probably a surprise when they didn't feel it set down on wheels and their only choice then was what they did. I dont know if this is what happened but it would be the most forgiving toward the pilots and their airmanship. I would like to think they didn't screw up but did what most of us would have done, and it may have worked perfectly without a concrete reinforced berm in their path. Sound spectrum analysis will tell investigators a bit.

[@Deploracle]

The question then is ... why risk Go Around on one questionable engine, when already configured to land and the runway is directly ahead?

[@Lonsome1223]

​@@DeploracleBecause a go around was decided before the bird strike they went toga and got the aircraft clean but still got a bird strike.

[@thefoosa7342]

​@@Lonsome1223nope not correct

[@Lonsome1223]

​@@thefoosa7342Look at the video of the bird strike. The aircraft was clean not in a landing configuration .

[@Deploracle]

@@Lonsome1223 The bird strike came before the Go Around call.

[@aeoh2000]

Reminder: The fault of avionics maintenance they did not update/replace the storage not battery.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

This aircraft did not have backup batteries for the CVR & FDR. Maintenance is not an issue.

[@robbedontuesday]

I don't understand... why did they not inform ATC about their problems, at 9:01????? They were coming with no flaps, no spoilers, no landing gear...

[@cassandratq9301]

No communications systems...

[@robbedontuesday]

@@cassandratq9301 yet ATC did authorize landing on runway 19!!! At 9.01, so yes, there was comms system...

[@knockeledup]

Aviate, navigate, and THEN communicate. The pilots were a little busy. Plus it seems like they would have had no power to operate their radios. The FDR and CVR end at 8:59 so the pilots probably would have been unable to hear anything from ATC after that point. It’s also the last time communication was received from them. Just because ATC was sending a message out at 9:01 doesn’t mean the plane received it.

[@maryan58]

@@knockeledup FDR and CVR don't need a nuclear power plant to have power. It needs independent battery power.........And he had it. The whole concept of creating a CVR / FVR is that it is OBLIGATED to operate until the end of the flight or even .......... 30 days longer!!!. For this reason, to be completely independent from the aircraft's systems, it has its OWN BATTERY power supply. That's why we can find them even 4 weeks after they fall into the ocean to a depth of 4 km. My native language - Polish. FDR i CVR nie potrzebuje elektrowni atomowej by mieć zasilanie. Potrzebuje niezależnego zasilania z baterii .........I miał ją. Cała koncepcja stworzenia CVR / FVR polega właśnie na tym , że ma OBOWIĄZEK działać do końca lotu a nawet ..........30 dni dłużej !!!. Z tego powodu by całkowicie uniezależnić się od systemów samolotu ma WŁASNE zasilanie BATERYJNE. To dlatego umiemy je odnaleźć nawet 4 tygodnie po tym jak wpadną do oceanu na głębokość 4km.

[@Boriblri4]

@@knockeledup This is South Korea. According to the Korean government, the control tower and the pilot agreed on runway 19.But I don't understand the power outage that occurred from 59 minutes. a mystery. Passengers exchanged messages with their families saying that the plane's engine had gotten stuck just before the accident. But there's no talk of blackouts..

[@ApexPredatorWithSungGlasses]

Plain and simple: Pilot Incompetence they panicked like hell & landed WITHOUT bleeding air speed, and deploying landing gear. Just look at Gimli Glider and compare it to Jeju air, and it's clear as day that if the Jeju's pilots have any semblance of competence, they would have landed the plane easily.

[@sophiejaysstuff4026]

Tile should read: Why Why Why Why Why Why Why Why

[@greenminer255]

The biggest question is not the why was that localizer hill they hit there. The question is WHY WHY WHY did they go around ? If they went around BEFORE the bird strike for an unstable approach then I can understand. However if they went around AFTER the bird strike then this is significant.

[@JapaneseforBeginnersOldSchool]

Agreed! A lot seem to be focusing on the localizer hill which was a factor but not the cause. In fact it was legal to put the localizer hill in that location. Crazy but true. What we all should be focusing on is all the decision making in the cockpit.

[@edwardlawler9487]

@@JapaneseforBeginnersOldSchoolnot legal for a hill to be there in your safe area that’s a no no

[@user-yt198]

ADSB data shows a spike in airspeed and altitude at 8:58:20. ADSB signal was lost at 8:58:50. These data support that they went around BEFORE bird strike, because of unstable approach or seeing dense bird flocks ahead. We must hear this in CVR. ATC records may not be complete due to bad comm.

[@Keikdv]

So: you want to write down a conversation with a pensil on paper. But nobody speaks. So there are no words on paper. But you say: the pensil did not work. NO! Because there were NO words to record. Now, replace "pensil" by CVR or by FDR....

[@tanzanable]

Where are the black boxes? Those recording boxes are NOT black! They are orange.

[@stephenfink4695]

… and the fact they chose to go around and not land. Far more survivable had the done that.

[@terrygerhart6878]

I learned something NG series is for next generation, I thought it meant No Good.

[@tonamg53]

Also the available ADS-B data clearly suggests they had engine power when they go-around. They achieved climb rate of around 2000 fpm with both altitude and speed increasing clearly indicating that they had 2 good engines. Then something happened and they stopped climbing shortly before the data was cutoff. This is a concrete evidence that the go-around wasn’t from the birdstrike. The birdstrike happened *AFTER* the crew had already initiated the go-around. We already have the facts on this matter. There is no doubt about this.

[@lindabarrett5631]

Have there been any reports from the survivors?

[@wolfsisterhowls]

I'd be shocked if they could remember anything at all. They probably have serious head injuries (among others)

[@OzdeDemiraz]

There are many weird things happening in S Korea nowadays, I don’t advise people go this Country for a while

[@puretrouble1603]

It’s funny how this guy always puts out a video after Blancoliro channel puts one out. This guy steals all his content from Blancolirio!!!

[@jasonstation]

Truly weird occurrence.

[@nostramarcusaiglesmarc7274]

how then did they manage to control it to landing????

[@Fastvoice]

There's a mechanical backup for some controls which don't need hydraulics or electric power.

[@SilentThundersnow]

You can HEAR the engine running on the runway! Do they think we're stupid? Last week they said they had transcribed the recording and weren't releasing it yet. They said NOTHING about 4 minutes being gone. The pilot asked to land on 19 when he realized he couldn't make it back to 01, so he still had electric power then, as he made the 180 degree turn! The right engine was running all the way to the end, so why didn't they have power? If they did, why did the boxes stop recording? He had plenty of alt and speed to turn slower and manually lower the gear. Wtf happened?? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

[@1974lionsfan]

Dude its the Asian culture. They dont like to be humiliated and do cover stuff up from the wider world. Its just what they do

[@joefish4466]

They were transcribing the recordings. Usually you start from the start of the full recording. You can only figure out there were 4 minutes missing after the listening to the whole thing.

[@wolfsisterhowls]

Do you have any source you can cite for the pilot **asking** to land on 19? Last Comms released was the Mayday call, the pilot never communicated with ATC after that to my knowledge

[@wolfsisterhowls]

(to be clear ATC cleared the 19 landing, but that was ATC speaking not the pilot. There's no evidence to my knowledge of any Comms after the initial Mayday, which coincides with the 4 minute mark when the black box stopped recording too. Also note that ADS-B data stopped abruptly at that same point. I don't think there was power for Comms and you may have added that fictional request in accidentally. Happy to be corrected though, if you have proof to the contrary)

[@fsfaludi]

Birds completely disabled the plane…birds! Engine exhaust video evidence indicates birds ingested in both engines. Unless the pilots accidentally shutdown #1 engine (instead of #2 that had partial power after compressor stalls) BOTH main generators went offline and both hydraulic pumps stopped working. Only the batteries allowed manoeuvring with the flight controls. Lack of sufficient power during the overshoot necessitated the crew to not be able to do an organized assessment of the situation and also prevented flap & gear extension. Stupid birds effectively disabled and brought down the entire plane. 🤦‍♂️

[@ab-il1gk]

later the recorders will be replaced by live satellite

[@michaelthompson6885]

looks to me like the wrong engine was shut down and maybe the pilots panicked?