Why is the West so desperate to compete with China's solar sector? | Transforming Business

[@manimalworks7424]

If I can compete, I want “free market”, if I can’t compete, I want “fair market “

[@东安-p2k]

lol，you are right，bro，its so real

[@assemmohamed9493]

That's literally unintentionally citing statement from janet yellen in her recent visit to China commenting on China solar, steel ship building industries.

[@Masterrunescapeer]

There's no true free market, and the entire point of this is that China is not free market as they massively subsidize the cost of their production, so others have to as well in order to compete -> fair market.

[@leosv0]

Ты хочешь, чтобы твоя страна страдала?

[@skydragon23101979]

@@leosv0China in charge means your country will suffer?? The evidence speaks otherwise. Everywhere any country who work with China are prospering but any country that work with US is looking at war, political turmoil,

[@LucasBustamante1]

10 years ago: Solar good. - China supplies cheap solar panels: Now solar bad

[@TK-tv5un]

Solar very good, that's why another country making some should be okay for China. No need to have a monopoly over everything.

[@nicholastoo858]

😂

[@greentea8852]

@@TK-tv5unIt is ok for China, they are open for competition, it‘s just the others are unable to compete. 😂

[@orange6562]

@@TK-tv5un that might be okay for china but not for capitalist private companies.

[@DubboU]

@@TK-tv5un Chins is very open to doing businesses. It is not their fault or problem that other's products are inferior, and the consumers voted with their wallet.

[@happymelon7129]

Because of lost in competition .. The main reason Germany+U$A come up with "XingJiang forced labour " story . From an expert never even been to China.

[@hanrenfighterjet]

The fact that China doesn't have to doll out much subsidies for its solar. While USA and the west does. Shows the trend this industry is going and YES Solar power is just another industry

[@flygonc3717]

Agree is great. China is leading renewable energy development

[@crithi1401]

Forced labour in china isn't something USA or anyone else has come up with - china did that entirely on its own. Just as with the ethnocide which they are committing against the Uighurs. And china is profiting massively off of this.

[@ncchew3356]

​@@crithi1401When are you going to Xinjiang to see for yourself if there's genocide?

[@ricardo_Abonado]

​@ncche because there is no Law is a dictatorship I wouldn't go to seven star hotel for free or paid...w3356

[@peronliu6886]

when western says "lets work towards green energy".Only China started....But now western regret.....

[@TK-tv5un]

Average PER CAPITA emissions in China are now over one third higher than EU. This is despite China having a much smaller GDP per capita than the EU. EU leads China in curbing emissions. Even adjusting for exports, it doesn't close the gap. And yet China remains far poorer than the EU per capita for all that pollution it creates.

[@kyliex6310]

⁠@@TK-tv5undo u mean “co2 emissions”? China by 2022 was 8.82, which is half of US/canada emissions. Even lower than South Korea… Germany is 8.16, not quite far from China.

[@zuriyel5368]

@@TK-tv5un Deceptive framing. China has twice the population of EU and China being the world's manufacturer has a big impact on its CO2 emissions. If Europe was manufacturing as much as China was, their CO2 output would be much higher as well. However, China's been working on transitioning to clean energy for a long time now.

[@soonpohtay4794]

@@TK-tv5unChina produces the goods used in other countries. If you calculate the CO2 emitted from the goods consumed in the other countries, then subtract them from China’s emis Siong.

[@AB-zl4nh]

Nope. The EU & US tried to work with China. China said no.

[@jackywong8782]

Due to the European sanction in the past, China has develop a fully independent solar power industry. LOL

[@GreetingsEarth]

Same story with aerospace, engineering, now EV and semiconductors. Somehow sanctions have a boosting effect to China.

[@WasimKhan-kk6qu]

same with semi conductors. i think in 10 years semi conductors will have the same fate as solar panels lmao..

[@andiy2521]

​@@WasimKhan-kk6quI have no doubt about this. Ten years from now, let's wait and see about semiconductors😅

[@zuriyel5368]

That's a big issue that a lot of people don't understand. China is one of the top 5 highest IQ countries in the world, with an insanely high population and a culture that highly regards education. Whatever type of profession that any other country has, they prolly have 10x that amount. Doesn't matter if they start behind, bcos it only takes them less than a handful of years to catch up.

[@aaaazhang342]

@@andiy2521China has been able to produce memory chips, the price is too cheap to mean.

[@albertli3737]

I don’t like the word “cheap”. Are the more expensive solar products from EU better or actually worse? As a consumer, who doesn’t want to buy better products with lower prices???

[@Mr.Patrick_Hung]

You are right! Here in China we used to make shoddy low cost cheap labour stuff. Those days are passing and leaving. Now we make high end products and the cheap labour companies are leaving for Vietnam, India and Indonesia. (I wish them well.)

[@gsismaet5385]

China has economies of scale, access to cheap fuel for their industries and state of the art tech. Plus plus for all consumers.

[@jorsm.3893]

Well local panels are certainly not worse, a lot of research still happens here. And honestly, unless we want to lower our average salaries to the salaries of the average Chinese factory worker, we have to accept that we will pay more for a similar product, because at the end of the month, we also have more to buy those products.

[@Mr.Patrick_Hung]

@@jorsm.3893 The salaries may, often, be lower here in China. However the cost of rent and food and basic stuff is also much lower. In the end people here are often getting more actual buying power.

[@jorsm.3893]

​@@Mr.Patrick_Hung Yes I know :) and it makes sense ofc that lower salaries would translate to lower prices of goods and services. I heard this from my brother in law as well, that he could just have food delivered all the time. Here that is pretty much unimaginable for someone living from a paycheck. But it's very hard to suddenly change that. Many people in my country have huge mortgages, if the cost of goods/services would drop significantly here, the wages would most likely have to drop, and that would leave many with trouble paying off loans. That is why I believe that buying the most affordable is not always in our best interests in the long run :) But it's understandably hard for people to resist, so policy needs to be made.

[@mokobuko]

Thank you China for existing.

[@tonyata7006]

[@henryyuen5224]

And thank you Russia for exisiting. ❤

[@ZLL668]

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

[@benwindbag]

-- An aphorism of the 19th century German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche.

[@ssuwandi3240]

Indeed a bunch of cry bebe.. a panel alone doesn't have more values than the energy storage... So when the magical AI chips driven controller would happen

[@AB-zl4nh]

"What doesn't defend you will make you weaker."

[@reviver2012]

It did kill you 🤣

[@jean-marcsalotti999]

Well, it killed many companies, so there is not point ...

[@polaris1985]

defeating Americans and Europeans at their own game!

[@完美不必]

How do Germans view the $200 billion Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline being artificially blown up?

[@WingkKong]

America will be great again

[@emalejack]

So by restricting the import of Chinese solar panels which are said to be cheaper and better, you want EU consumers to buy German Solar panels which are expensive also inferior to the Chinese panels just to keep the job??

[@wishsun3890]

Insightful!

[@anssiluomaranta34]

its a matter of strategic autonomy. some imports from china are ok but if everything comes from there what happens if it stops? better to protect some level of european production with punitive tolls.

[@warungmakanan-lc6rc]

@@anssiluomaranta34 then it will make higher energy price per Kwh, and cost making industrial energy higher

[@balderhagert6155]

I guess if I don't have a job I won't be able to buy cheap Chinese products?

[@zoranmrdjenovic8127]

Long live China🇨🇳✅

[@rajahua6268]

Competition and innovation won the day. Innovation needs assistance or subsidy, no matter which way you look at it.

[@gopeng925]

Correct me if I am wrong. Here in US we also subsidized our industries. Like we subsidized the oil industries, solar panel’s industries, aerospace industries and more. Why are complaining about other people when they do it efficiently than us.

[@willeisinga2089]

I have Made in China affordable Rooftop Solar for 12 Years Now. Production 6000 kWh every Year. Thank You China ❤️.

[@berniecadao5802]

Most of solar panels sold in the market in the Philippines are Made in China and the prices are going down year to year

[@jesse89625]

instead of developing solar panel technology, Germany should send their money to Ukraine for freedom. because freedom over everything

[@johnzhan8636]

HAHAHA

[@abraham9777]

Make sure you are kidding us.hahaha

[@jbwshox]

hahahaha

[@gregoryedwards9097]

This 😂😂😂

[@jiangXS]

😂😂😂

[@thisnewnow]

Why is DW so obsessed with China and Russia? Can anyone please explain this obsession to me?

[@NanaCan-gw3ol]

德国之声应该是美国之音😊德国和中国关系并不差😊

[@jansSundews]

It's a simple principle really. It's like a chief and his young assistant. The chief while getting older and very much experienced put his price tag to a higher level. A young assistant learned from his boss's mistakes and made it better and cost effective.

[@jiyakuches220]

Good pattern that shows between the British Empire, the US, and China. US succeed British Empire, for good geography and mostly fight for selling China may going to succeed the US for also good geography, making diplomatic relations in involving themselves in big projects than wars. Love to see rising superpower learn from their predecessor’s mistakes & advance their advantages for their own.

[@DemonEyes622]

You would think a solar manufacturer would use some of its products to supplement their power requirements

[@Marvin-ii7bh]

Most modern factories in europe have solar panels on their roof. Its nowhere near enough tho.

[@fenchen531]

it's not just the solar industry, but also all other electricity-related industries, ev cars, batteries, etc.

[@gregwang8628]

Just concentrate on doing what is right for your people your country, never mind what others are doing, because other people are doing what is best for them and their country!

[@minshyu]

This is a victory for free trade against protectionism🥳

[@Wontyr]

America has been maintaining the bulldog approach(aka protectionism) with the whole concept of free trade behind them. I'll be honest I dont think you understand at all what you are saying, you are welcome to explain.

[@bluecedar7914]

If massive government loans and land grants somehow count as free trade mechanisms.

[@edwardsnowden8821]

​@@bluecedar7914tell that to the American conglomerates exploiting the world

[@Sebastian0729]

@@bluecedar7914 cough cough... tesla, space x... 👀

[@calc1657]

This isn't free trade. It's just massive state backing. Good on China for getting in early. Hopefully, my country does not allow product dumping.

[@idpsalm3331]

Most things made from western market are too expensive but China has made it cheap for both third and first world countries China has the edge

[@deadlata9767]

China suppresses its currency value

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

Because American corporations outsourced all their production to China ; )

[@yz6039]

It's not about subside. China has a low salary plus a full supply chain and if the technology is on the same level or even higher it's futile to compete in the field! Because China will get the rest of the world plus their own huge market for sure. Other competitors can only have their own very limited market, which will also have to fight the Chinese products. If the west still has the so called China subside mentality good luck for their competition.

[@rorychen6185]

You can make products with higher performance and quality instead of complaining about China taking away your jobs

[@a9udn9u-vanced]

Every China video in this channel is nothing but whining. China didn't win the competition by crying "why China is so desperate to compete with West's X sector" in the last 30 years.

[@萧笑生]

For people in poor countries, freedom should give way to food and clothing. Western countries are always eager to promote freedom to poor countries, disregarding hungry people. The West does not equal the world. Developing countries should recognize this and make their own people happy rather than capitalists happy. This is the ideal that poor country politicians should have.China go！

[@Charvak-Atheist]

I am happy China is funding Solar and battery industry. 😊 Thank you China for making Renewables cheap.

[@yingliao7076]

Put your head down, work harder and thinker harder! That's how thenChinese do things!

[@kovaxzolika]

be honest! Just name a european, west world solar brand and you can name 10x times more asian brands. I have never heard european solar manufactor just chineese.....

[@marethmok5635]

Congratulations China in saving the Earth 💐

[@JigilJigil]

Yes,, China is saving the earth by buring coal more than the whole world combined.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

​@@JigilJigil List of Countries the US has Bombed Since the End c WWII (may be incomplete) Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War) Guatemala 1954, 1960 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-61 Vietnam 1961-73 Laos 1964-73 Belgian Congo 1964 Dominican Republic 1965--66 Peru 1965 Guatemala 1967-1969 Cambodia 1969-1970 Nicaragua 198OS El Salvador 1980s Lebanon 1982-84 Grenada 1983 Lebanon 1983, J 1984 (Lebanese, Syrian targets) Iran 1987 Panama 1989 Iraq 1991 (First Gulf War); 1991- 2003 (US/UK "NO Fly Zone") Kuwait 1991 Somalia 1992--94; 2007 Bosnia 1994-1995 Iran 1997 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 2001--ongoing Iraq 2003 (Second War--more recently predator drones) Yemen 2002, 2009 Libya 1986, 2011

[@rmrf100]

China got competive on solar as they really working on it!

[@andrewaugh5647]

So the IMF tells Jamaica that the govt isn't to be engaged in the free market but you guys do it. I love it

[@stickynorth]

That solar facility should probably move to Hungary to take advantage of lower cost labor much the same way BYD opened up there rather than in Germany... Ditto for BYD's car division... Mexico rather than the USA even though it has existing bus/battery operations in Lancanster, CA north of Los Angeles...

[@TheKkpop1]

It was almost forced closed down because US law makers alleged byd buses were installed with spy camera and electronic data transmission to the servers in China. It's a national security threat for anything which is made by Chinese entities.

[@ZweiZwolf]

China will set up in Mexico so they can export FTA to the USA and across LatAm.

[@naaookametoola]

Hungary has an industry pedigree from 19th century, with a sophisticated working class

[@kalunda5560]

China is very pragmatic the west no so much

[@DBGE001]

I would say that the Chinese leaders have a better vision and don't hesitate to plan the strategy in accordance with the vision. When we look at the EU, vision is only partially present, Germany for example has been gambling om LNG for a much too long time.

[@amandagrant4331]

China people are diligent and hard-working, while China focuses on economic development rather than waging war abroad.

[@chopinmack5418]

Solar powered energy is the cheapest form of electricity for the majority of countries using it . And the price of installation is dropping continuously . Let's work together to help the Poor / Developing countries to obtain affordable energy sources & improve their living conditions .

[@kikikaikai6731]

因为坚持做正确的事情，困难，短期没有盈利，但是有利于子孙后代。

[@frankcoffey]

China does while others just talk. That talk is often talking yourself out of doing. "It's impossible", "It's not profitable", "It's not cheaper", "It's not better than what we have". That sort of talk.

[@krishnaSagar69]

Labour is the key. Cheap labour

[@imran_balouch]

Thank you China... from Pakistan

[@xiaolongzhang3411]

it is not because of the so called subsidying, but because of the technology inovation that makes chinese product competitive.

[@PeterSedesse]

They didn't mention a huge problem Germany had around 2006-2018. Germany elected a very pro-russian gov't that was in bed with Gazprom (russian natural gas). The result is that the German gov't stopped a lot of the green projects and instead went all in on Nord1 and Nord2 and other engagements with Russia. Even today, a huge amount of ex-german politicians now work for Gazprom and its' german subsidiaries.

[@XtonsProduction]

So are they now working for 🇺🇸 now from one master to another

[@Wontyr]

doubt it, the political scene in europe is starting to be untrusting of america, tho denmark is still the little guard dog @@XtonsProduction

[@milekragulj325]

Germany in s US slave but don't know if

[@waynema7829]

This is something called “ Deutschland koennen, China aber nicht”

[@AlejandroPikoulasPlata]

That's why China is better, you still think to be the best.

[@daniel_trang]

China's economy is optimized to manufacture products efficiently and at the lowest cost possible, using streamlined logistics, supply chain management, and robotics. You cannot be China in manufacturing. US should focus on securing their southern border and stopping criminals for ransacking stores with no consequences.

[@piemaster466]

It is the strong local supply chain that reduces costs. Taking EV as an example, you can find all high-quality suppliers that assemble an EV within a 4-hour drive from Shanghai. Many new Chinese EV companies are simply outsiders in the automotive industry (for example, the founder of Li Auto is an editor of an automotive website), but it doesn’t matter at all. All suppliers are professionals. The same thing has already happened in the mobile phone industry. A Chinese talk show celebrity suddenly wanted to be Steve Jobs. He actually created a brand of mobile phones and sold tens of millions of them. The same goes for cars. Therefore, European brands do not need to be afraid of Chinese EVs. As long as they design their cars in Europe, open an assembly plant in China and purchase Chinese parts, their EVs will be as cheap as Chinese EVs. Acctually, many chinese new brand EV are doing the same thing right now

[@tonyh7158]

There is something different between chinese and western, if western has monopoly they will increase the price to get more profit, but when china has dominance, the price will still keep going down due to the severe competition inside china.

[@hotshot-te9xw]

Bassed analysis

[@otube6841]

This idea of overproduction is against the very concept of free market. And it's the western, I mean more than anyone, who were calling for an action to reduce pollution but when this is realized why do they cry?

[@cabletam]

do you mean whatever China want we need to say yes ?

[@patrickstar686]

7:22 - GG well played China

[@bonanza1900]

Why these companies always ask for governmental incentives or governmental trading barrier assistance under their disadvantaged manufacturing techniques and cost control?_?

[@ElectricianMrTang]

Before the Gaza War, Gaza had the highest penetration rate of solar power generation in the world, so don’t expect people to take the initiative to use more expensive solar power unless you have the Chinese government’s actions and policies.

[@samad3251]

Few things that DW despises: 1. Current Indian ruling party BJP 2. China/Chinese tourists 3. Russia 4. Heterosexual males 5. US Republican Party

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

India best achievements so far India's Hunger index 2013: 63rd rank 2022: 107th rank India's Happiness index. 2013: 111th rank 2022: 136th rank India's press freedom rank 2013:79th 2022: 150the the fourth pillar of worlds largest democracy is no more India's unemployment rate 2013:4.9% 2023:7.5% Unemployment rate never increase in growing economy.. india is growing only on paper and by loan India's Debt before 2014: ₹55 lakh crore 2023: ₹155 lakh crore India's GDP from 2004 to 2014: $709 billion to 2.04 trilion (almost triple) India's GDP from 2014to 2024: $2.04 trillion to 3.6 trilion (expected)...not even double

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Tell us about delhi . Can anyone reach delhi😂😂

[@meouby2]

good for the atmosphere we live in / go green movement but not for others economic prowess hence the dilemma

[@passby8070]

A good balanced documentary, well done DW...

[@aberba]

Everything from Germany has been significantly more expensive so Chinese imports are only going to grow especially when their products are equally good. Pricing in Europe and Western countries just don't make sense for the rest of the world.

[@hajimeisayama9842]

China just can't stop having Ws

[@inoculateinoculate9486]

Really? Haven't seen a lot of W's in the last 5 years. Seems like an economic dumpster fire which the Chinese are fleeing and taking their money from as rapidly as possible.

[@konfunable]

Germany is dying, why do they need jobs? Seniors are not going to work in factories.

[@sychan3513]

As long as there is unequal living stardard, there will be unequal competition. You don't expect product produced by workers living on beefsteak can be cheaper than the those produced by workers living on salted vegetables.

[@anubizz3]

Ah really S Korea living in Salted vegetable and have better living standard than Murica,and they still can compete with you.

[@johnzhan8636]

HAHAHA, if you don't have a job, you won't even be able to eat salted vegetables XD. Hope those 100,000 solar industry workers in Europe as this video mentioned who lost their job can still eat beefsteak everyday and for good, and this is just one industry, there will be more and more industries coming soon, hope they can still eat beef steak everyday XD

[@johnzhan8636]

BTW, don't be jealous that those who ate salted vegetable are now having beefsteak that those 100,000 workers lost ;)

[@ahmedzaheergaming3846]

If Europe and USA can't compete with any country in manufacturing then they impose section's on that country. Loosers always be a loosers .

[@wodeqiangne]

China is doing good at clean energy which makes the western countries upset 😂😂😂😂

[@A-King-y1u]

The odds are that no one is talking about cheap solar panels benefit for green energy expansion and improving global warming conditions

[@singlendhot8628]

I am an installer for the past 15 years. It's really critical not to patronize installers who offer Chinese PV brands like Trina, Jinko, JA Solar, Aiko, DMG etc. These are often poorly manufactured and deceptively marketed as an equivalent option. To call them junk would be a compliment. Instead, spend your money on panels made by Meyer Burger, Sharp, Hyundai, Solarwatt, ALEO, REC, REA, Panasonic etc. And insist on inverters by SolarEdge, Fronius, SMA, Enphase or Victron. If your installer does not offer these non-Chinese brands, find another installer, but don't invest in the false Chinese economy.

[@philipen65888]

Patronize? legitmize I guess

[@windsong3wong828]

Don’t be a racist. Trade in this world is a win win. I am a Malaysian. We buy expensive LV bags or Apple phones …..and good Chinese solar products. If the NATO countries discriminate against Chinese products then we shouldn’t buy the LV bags and Apple phones as well. The best products with the best prices should win. The world will be a better place.

[@singlendhot8628]

@@windsong3wong828 Calling Chinese products poor isn't racist if the products are actually bad. Name one Chinese owned brand sold in any industry that people consider to be the leader? When you realize there is none, best to you stick to LV and not Xiaomi.

[@beyondfossil]

@@singlendhot8628 Look up Shenzhen's DJI drones. DJI is the market leader here and largely due to both product quality and feature set.

[@beyondfossil]

I'm genuinely curious about how you're classifying those major Chinese PV modules as "junk". Can you provide some links to serious studies or reviews showing those Chinese modules fall majorly behind in metrics like efficiency and longevity compared to western brands?

[@alb.1911]

No, in reality they don’t care, otherwise there will be more incentives and mandatory solar roofs in all new buildings.

[@kc10man]

Command society versus a Economic demand society.

[@donl1279]

East Asian are generally good at manufacturing and operational improvement.

[@estrellaluz6091]

In China there are solar panels cemeteries, shared bibycle cemeteries and EV cemeteries polluting living environment...Ghost towns, over-constructed abandoned buildings in each cities . Chinese government financing help turns all these industries to disaster, China used to product maximum then export to western. Unfortunately, western WILL NEVER have enough population to resolve the MEGA Excess industrial capacity problem coming from China. One day low-cost chinese labor exist, export dumping from China don't stop; all western-lead ecologist policies will fail. Overproduction is big problem of China

[@Titanium_Cranium]

If China's solar power production is so great, why are they still building dozens of coal-burning power stations? Not trying to start an argument, genuinely enquiring.

[@ritu8985]

Cuz it's China, they need the most energy, and while they're ahead of the rest of the world combined in terms of renewable energy, they still needs the traditional sources of energy till they can be replaced

[@akakakakakak3084]

While everyone says China's economics is collapsing, how the China government can subsidise every export sectors to keep low prices?😅

[@alexshawcn]

because of china's huge effort in production cost cutting, it is only POSSIBLE for any of the country to talk sense about carbon free..... because you need a clean yet cheap way to produce electricity and use electricity to replace other energy form (e.g. gas, coal, oil etc). Without the 10x cost reduction driven by Chinese entrepreneurs during last decade in solar sector, it is just not thinkable.

[@GSSurry]

I have a hearing Impairment and this background music makes it impossible to hear the dialogue.

[@taijistar9052]

Why it is bad thing when we get a cheap solar energy to transfer to a green energy production

[@sdfssdfsdfsdf]

😮salute to China, respect

[@generalparker8889]

The United States redefines "government subsidies" as "national security"

[@Neil00841]

Who cares.. That's Germany's problem. Poor countries in Africa and Asia needs cheaper energy solutions to their commitments towards the renewable energy usage.

[@jay9220]

Chinese people are good in doing business, and love making money. Besides, Chinese people are hardworking. Western people strictly work for 8 hours a day. work unions are controlling this.

[@hernanuliana9111]

subsides for mere political purposes never goes well. You need to developed an ecosystem where, from production to consumption, the changes benefit all the chain. That's China and it's not a coincidence: from the solar panels and wind turbines to the electric cars the energy matrix is changing. USA it's addict to gasoline and the policy makers doesn't want to change that so it's always half-hearted plans born from political interest and pure greed. The politics win elections and the corporations make a mountain of money but the country unbalanced economy will suffer sooner than later the bubble generated. And Europe. well, China has not need to subsidised they love pay more for products like the American gas and oil instead of the cheap Russian ones.

[@gsismaet5385]

Soooo...the wording china heavily subsidised vs. Usa lower fuel cost and Inflation Reduction Act (meaning heavily subsidised too). Horses for courses. The usa and west cannot cry foul if they are doing it as well. Freemarket competition?

[@ld_laser]

Competing with China in the solar industry? Are you on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau? Has the highest quality solar energy on the Tibetan Plateau.

[@zodiacfml]

You got to localize solar pv production because this solar power production will scale at the national level for years to come. if countries will just buy from China because it is much cheaper, this will result to China being richer or more powerful. Anyways, it is too late for everyone. We have let middle east countries to gain wealth from oil so no choice but to Buy Chinese solar PV because it is much cheaper and technology better.

[@bl5608]

A country should avoid becoming overly dependent on another country. Maintaining a balanced and diversified approach to international relations and economic partnerships can help safeguard a country's autonomy, resilience, and long-term prosperity. There is nothing wrong with and US to be less dependent with China. Same with China, China shouldn't rely solely with western market. Every country has unique advantages and disadvantages. Countries should utilize and enhance their own specialty to achieve a win win situation. China specializes in mass manufacture production, Germany and Japan specializes is craftsmanship and engineering, Saudi specializes is oil and gas , Indonesia world nickel production , India dominates I.T engineering. Singapore specializes in finance and business management. There are many things to learn from China. China has many things to learn from world. We are living in the best era in all mankind history. The most developed, advanced and liberal ever in recorded history. Be grateful for what we have and embrace the future.

[@songa520]

Seriously? You think we live in the best time? Have you noticed at least three wars going on right now ( Ukraine, Gaza, Yemen, and many many hotspots ready to erupt)

[@justsomebeauty0]

As Vietnamese, we feel ashamed

[@wzqi6864]

中国资源过于贫瘠，发展新能源可以让中国摆脱对石油的依赖。如果不是技术有限制，中国甚至会在坦克上使用电池驱动。

[@sauravjadhav938]

post more on solar

[@wanghaowang5790]

fair trade for the whole human being!

[@tamuhoi]

7:27 that's the reason why make in german so expensive

[@Flat10squirrel]

Is DW part of 🇨🇳 politboro, is that why the farmers protesting the WEF aparatichik.

[@QuietJugung]

Good government. Period.

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

China has better

[@elhamhemat572]

so, you are losing to the free market and now giving subsidies which is illegal if someone else does it?

[@wumao990]

When master USA say something his dog would bark the same😂

[@sunnysheikh1223]

China :- Lets Built Plants to Produce Polycilikit Neighbour India:- Lets Built more Temples to turn India into a Single religion State. I wonder how countries with almost Similar size and Population have such different story.

[@fern8580]

China :- Lets Built Plants to Produce Polycilikit Neighbour India:- Lets Built more Temples to turn India into a Single religion State. Europe: let's continue to hire more and more state civil servants of the same ethnic group...

[@GreetingsEarth]

Why can't Chinese companies make profit? Should all profits go to the West and poor countries stay poor? China is a very good example of how a poor country can develop. It took only 30 years for the transformation which is astonishingly fast. Say whatever you want, but China shows a way to all developing countries.

[@volcof1]

With who's Intellectual Properties?

[@skydragon23101979]

@@volcof1With China’s intellectual properties. How do you think China can manufacture that cheaply? Just low wage? China’s workers are not low wage anymore.

[@pikaxhuboi7222]

they got their own Space station which is advance than ISS.

[@WombatKing27]

@@volcof1 In fact, China does have the most patents for solar panels and electricity transmission

[@SK-lt1so]

Where are the human rights, labor protections, environmental laws?🤷‍♂️

[@ricnyc2759]

Did China sit down and waited for the solar panels to grow on trees? Like everything else: through work.

[@dekumutant]

This is such a nothing comment. Everything takes work, this doesnt meant anything lol. China isn't a person who gets up early. Its a country with policies, and those policies define what happens. What is subsidized and incentivised by policy gets done. Its that simple

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@dekumutant America subsidized solar for years, decades, but they didn't grow nearly as fast because America has to protect the profits of the electrical monopolies.

[@timothychung4811]

​@@dekumutantIn order for these policies to succeed, YOU'LL NEED THE MASS POPULATION TO PLAY THE GAME WHICH IS "WORK HARD".

[@mahfujkadir8973]

@@ZweiZwolf more like our oil overlords

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@mahfujkadir8973 Americans buy electricity from private companies with local monopoly power. The American electrical companies fought very hard to make residential solar expensive and uneconomical in order to maintain shareholder profits.

[@totifernandez9532]

It is not subsidies. China built a complete supply chain from mining to manufacturing to logistics, with the economies of scale to boot. No other country can match that. They are not violating free trade agreements. They just being more competitive. And it is all the better for the world.

[@cheungchingtong]

Just like those EVs.

[@TheExtraterrestrial99]

As well as some bonus benefit from building the huge solar farm, for example, turning wasteland to green and use for feeding livestock, known as solar grazing.

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

@@cheungchingtong Just like the fruits of the Western industrial and scientific revolutions which you use every single day but never think about and just take for granted ; )

[@cheungchingtong]

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp You mean just like the gunpowder, compass that took the europeans overseas so that they could conquered and colonized others to gain those fruits? Maybe~

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp And that was how the West was able to dominate in the Industrial Revolution. Dominance in production technology from extraction of resource to manufacturing and logistics, aided by government support. Yet did they (the Chinese) ever cry foul? Not really. They just learned from the Europeans. Now when they had shown their own mastery over this, it is the Europeans, so accustomed to dominance over the last 200 years, that decided to cry foul.

[@marcibanez01]

So, let me see if I understand your reasoning: Germany is losing a lot of companies (and jobs) because USA is subsidizing with billions of $ the companies that move there to produce solar panels, BUT the problem is the subsidies of the Chinese companies??? Right? Don't meke me laught! Germany is a joke right now...

[@lemms]

I also find the the german solar expert's message very odd. The german companies are moving to Colorado, USA, due to heavy subsidies from America, causing 100,000 job losses in Germany, but she is complaining about China's subsidies to Chinese companies? Is racism clouding her mind from the obvious?

[@DerToasti]

There has been a strange development in Europe. Instead of politicians working for the ruling corporate class of their own countries, they are now working for the ruling class of the USA. Europe's economy will stagnate and fail as they get pillaged by the americans. This will lead to a collapse of the EU, and conditions like during the first and second world wars in Europe.

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

@@lemms It's not in the interests of any one in the West for China to have any leverage. As for racism, LOL having lived in China myself and seen how it is there, that's rather ironic

[@lemms]

@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp I can accept that it is not in the interest of any one in the West for China to have any leverage at all, but for DW to twist the truth and keep germans ignorance of the real reason why 100,000 german jobs are lost, will only harm germans. Why should Germany suffer for America's benefit?

[@kennyyodune1727]

At least Germany has broken the stereotype that they're all smart.

[@CheeLiekHo]

It is not subsidies but economics of scale. It internal market is huge. Also it has the complete supply chain from raw materials to finish products. These factors cut costs.

[@willengel2458]

A Swiss company bought a BYD Seal and then took it apart piece by piece, then priced each part with labor cost. they found BYD Seal is 35% cheaper than EU automakers, 15% cheaper than Tesla. BYD has the ability to produce everything in-house. they even contract to build their own RORO fleet.

[@alvinchua2000]

well said. Plus the Chinas domestic market.

[@PANDITDADDY-kq9uf]

Yeah 👍 China's winning the race, new superpower in making. USA is like Britain in 1920s and China is like USA in 1920s

[@joaomarcelovieiradarocha6000]

Europeans have a hard time understanding that the chinese counterparts are doing a better job. It's not only subsidies, but manufacturing capability, lower labour cost, lower energy cost, flexible labour etc

[@AlonzoRodrigoEzcurraSilva]

Subsidies go to encourage the technology development and the construction of the supply chain, then economies of scale replace subsidies. That's how China and many western countries develop new technologies. Once I heard a chief executive of Ford saying that the magic market share to stop giving subsidies is around 37%. Once your new tech gets 37% of the market, government can cut subsidies and the new tech will stay in the market.

[@blackwarrior7473]

Messages received. Thank you. China, subsidies, bad! US EU, subsidies, good!

[@sahebhussain7967]

😂😂 Western hypocrisy are so funny 🤣🤣

[@helloworld3306]

清汤大老爷

[@CumbLaster-s1x]

China needs diversity from Africa, it is their strength.

[@juamu1132]

@@CumbLaster-s1x lol even in guangzhou africans discrimante other africans.

[@hoareg2]

I think another reason is the competence of Chinese workers. My company subcontracts a part of our work to a China team. Honestly they are very competent and hardworking, I can see that their productivity is much higher than a local worker here at a fraction of the salary. The only problem is their English skills as well as the time difference but we can manage with that.

[@XtonsProduction]

They are not English maybe you guys should improve your Chinese language too what do you think 🤔

[@heiwc]

@@XtonsProductionvpn开的账户吧😂

[@hannesRSA]

And moral values.. they have none. It's learnt behaviour, so they don't do well in teamwork or higher level roles.

[@DubboU]

You clearly acknowledged that Chinese workers are more competent and capable. Maybe it's time you show them some respect and learn some Chinese, instead of suggesting they need to improve their English.

[@hannesRSA]

​@@XtonsProductionas a non English person who adopted English because it won the global cultural race... No, sorry. We don't need to complicate the world more. If you have some issue with English being the global language, you can run that campaign.. I don't believe it would bring benefits rather than tribalism.

[@fongandspring]

Western countries also heavily subsidize solar companies. It says so in your own video. The reason they are not competitive isn't because Chinese subsidies. This is simply another scape goat.

[@yuanruichen2564]

china does it better because of the huge supply of engineers, good infrastructure, large domestic need, and sheer scale of the economy,

[@nocomment8273]

​@@yuanruichen2564 Also because leadership thinks long term and not like our midgets. Make a huge difference

[@backpackpepelon3867]

Logistics in China is just second to none. They are extremely efficient in that matter to the point the whole west can't compete directly at all.

[@MashZ]

Chine has its own supply of rare earth metals and other materials needed in solar and battery technology. They also own many mines for those in Africa, effectively controling majority suppy of those resources. Meanwhile western companies cant get those resources cheap without importing from China or others (or even importing from western owned mines in Africa). That coupled with low skilled labour cost, central planning, industrialized infrastructure etc give China a huge edge over the competition

[@aero.l]

​@@MashZ And what's so bad about that? At the end of the day, Western countries still care more about protecting corporate profits. If the climate crisis is really that bad, why does it matter if solar panels are cheap and more accessible to consumers?