Why is VIOLENCE at Concerts Normalized?

[@beyondartv]

I'm very anti-stage diving, crowd killing, etc 😠 This Trophy Eyes accident kinda left me fuming... What do you guys think? Be sure to donate to Bird's GoFundMe if you can www.gofundme.com/f/birdforever

[@maryannappiagyei4277]

Oh man that nuts. This happened travis scott astroworld festival. On 2021

[@SmugStick]

Wow, never seen a video about this before. Very nice to see you brining this kind of issue at the forefront

[@TheFushigiFan99]

Feel free to disagree with me but I feel the band owe her more than $5,000 for an injury of that caliber.

[@ASCENSiON_]

Agreed.

[@turboshazed7370]

100% agree

[@cynthiam6487]

Oh yeah, of course. This will impact the rest of her life and she will most likely be in pain for most of it, even if she recovers :(

[@lukejohnston5993]

So they deserve to be ruined? There’s no assumed risk getting into the pit for this kind of music?

[@DanceLouisDance]

​@@lukejohnston5993if bands don't wanna be liable for people injured in crowds then they should put waivers in their ticket sells (if they even can do that)

[@h1dd3n56]

Lead singers definitely have control during their shows. Crowds need to see confidence. There’s a lot of clips of legend frontman calling people out in the crowd for their behavior, and majority of the time it’s definitely warranted

[@Allhypenoheart]

I love Trophy Eyes. I love stage diving. But with this, you share some EXTREMELY valid points. John had no warning before diving into the crowd and putting Bird in this very unfortunate condition. There needs to be more of a warning/crowd interaction before blatantly DIVING into the crowd on the first song.

[@DanceLouisDance]

Yea I agree. I also think they onky way the band can make up for this incident is if they pay for her medical bills, and give her free tickets for life. Cuz she's probably gunna have to deal with the injury for the rest of her life.

[@ritterbird99]

Bird did not have her arms up:(

[@TylerHackner-w3b]

Concerts should never end up this way smh

[@lesleydehaan-kj8sq]

I got knocked out at a Fall Out Boy concert from a crowd surfer kicking me in the back of the head (so I’m told). I didn’t leave in the ambulance as we were only 3 songs, in but I got treated for a concussion afterwards.

[@beyondartv]

Damn. Glad you're (hopefully) good now

[@JoeBarchi3]

Such a tragic incident. Glad more people are talking about this though. I've always been a strong advocate for "no crowdkilling." It pisses me off to no end when people are trying to enjoy a show and there's always those 2 or 3 idiots in the pit that are more focused on showing how "tough" they are and not caring that people could get seriously hurt. Looking at you Knocked Loose fans... I don't mind stage diving as much, but when it's done in such a small venue where there aren't enough people to hold you up, it becomes really dangerous especially in this situation.

[@Actuallychowder]

Ive only ever gone to one concert and the second to last act to play was a hardcore band and they were encouraging crowd surfing and moshing but the lead singer kept asking if everyone was okay and kept saying that if it gets too out of hand that they were gonna stop. Before he even started he basically asked the crowd if they were down for it

[@cynthiam6487]

Been to many shows and now that I'm older I realize how dangerous stage diving, crowdsurfing and just being in a large crowd actually is. People have died as a result of this stuff. It's fun but is it really worth it if you run the risk of getting a life long injury? I'll stick to chill bands and stick to the back for heavier bands.

[@lukejohnston5993]

Thank you for the sensible take.

[@danielmorgan104dm]

Such a sad story and I wish Bird all the best in recovery. For the most part (uk based) concert etiquette has been really decent these last few years however that Bring Me The Horizon tour and Bad omens supporting them tour was one of the worst crowds i have ever seen. So many massive guys in the pits with the sole purpose of hurting others. rough one for sure

[@SilentProti]

I feel here in Europe the etiquette is much better but I hear so often from people in the US and even band members that people are outright aggressive and look for a fight, like wtf?

[@Vivi_9]

I was at that show, read a lot online about bad crowds but seemed fine where I was standing

[@devonmunn5728]

​@@SilentProti Kind of reflective of how violence is as American as apple pie. With this country's violent founding and many issues pertaining to violence (especially to those in which privileged people are the ones being violent) it's sadly on track. Now of course this isn't applicable to all people inhabiting the US, as humanity is a very complex species nor is it exclusive to the US but it definitely is reflective in that sense

[@missmaynard2310]

At No Point Did They Ask If People Could "Move Closer To The Front" Or Asking "Are You Ready To Catch Me?", This Is So Reckless.

[@abi_0814]

Never not heard or seen someone get injured from crowd surfing. From having to deal with the persons body weight unexpectedly to people in the crowd falling to shoes hitting people in the head, it’s just all.. not well thought out.

[@EricMoranFilms]

It's irresponsible as someone who is 6'6 to do that especially without warning. Typically when I go to the show the singer at least gives an indication or says "you all better catch me". 100% preventable and I hope they are less reckless. I saw them in Saturday. He addressed the incident to the crowd. Pretty much said something along the lines of it's important to look after each other, raise your hand if you get overwhelmed and I'll stop the set, etc. No real sense of personal responsibility which I think some people wanted to see but who knows maybe he did that in private or is avoiding that for legal reasons? Even when people were crowd surfing he was making sure people were safely escorted to security. I personally hate stage diving all together, not huge on crowd surfing either but it's a part of these shows which is why I try to stay toward the pit where people typically dont dare to surf. Im with you on crowd killing as well. Mosh pits are fun because pretty much everyone in there is consenting to being pushed around and people at the trophy eyes shows were very helpful in helping those who fell down and escorting those who wanted out of the pit. Going to make a donation shortly to Bird, hoping for the best. Really well articulated video, I enjoyed hearing your thoughts!

[@beyondartv]

Thank you!! I appreciated your thoughts too

[@entransify]

I was kicked in the face by stage divers multiple times when I saw Against Me in 2015. I'm a pretty small person too. So catching them is not easy for me, because I can't support the weight on top of me very well. At the same time, I had a lot of fun and it was a cathartic experience and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. I know it's risky but I do far more risky stuff on a regular basis.

[@singthelongswansong]

Happens

[@gamermoviedude5533]

I love a good general admission show, but I tend to be a wallflower and out of the way. This is a reason why. It’s just about social awareness, something the ignorant and inebriated often forget, both musician and fan.

[@NotYourRobyn]

I've been kicked in the face by a crowd surfer. It hurt and had a black eye. Luckily no one was really hurt

[@RanterInShades]

I actually saw Trophy Eyes on this tour last week, and there was a moment during one of the opening bands' sets where the show stopped momentarily while a person left the room after (I think) a crowdsurfing accident. Needless to say, they handled it as responsibly as they could, but it was nowhere near as reckless as this. I like John, had a really good time at that show, but he should definitely know better.

[@bluepinkman4785]

It sucks that it happened that way. I've been a fan of Trophy Eyes for almost 2 years now and I'm so disappointed at this. Hope John took responsibility and accountability on his actions.

[@fonttalk8065]

I go to 50+ concerts a year, mostly local stuff and a few big touring acts. Local shows have remained more or less the same post covid but the touring ones i think people have gone feral. It feels similar to going to the movies now where people think there ticket to entry lets them do whatever they want. At least my local scene is pretty chill, everyone knows each other and is always careful and there to help if anyone gets injured. At big shows it seems like that sense of community has been lost to some extent.

[@3beees]

Went to knocked loose a few days ago. I was on the outskirts of the pit, and had a friend in front of me for safety as I’m only just under 5 ft, but the amount of crowd killing I saw during just their set was insane. I don’t do pits for that reason. I want to be able to feel safe at concerts and to have a good time, not fearing I’m going to get my teeth knocked out by someone twice my size who decided to crowd kill just because.

[@mr.sushi2221]

I really don’t know how to feel about this. Personally as a super small person I never stand in the area where they might stage dive for this exact reason. Never seen anyone get really hurt doing it either. Hope the girl recovers that’s all I am certain about.

[@ASCENSiON_]

Ever since the Astroworld disaster, I've been way more observant of concert behavior (from both the crowd and artists on stage). I'm not a fan of stage diving whatsoever, but if you're gonna do it, AT LEAST give a huge warning to the crowd in advance. My mom took me to see Akon and Pitbull years ago, and Akon let the crowd know (at least a minute or two prior) that he was gonna surf, and he was able to be carried by the crowd safely with no injuries. It can't be that difficult, right? John Floreani's stage dive was completely irresponsible, and not even apologizing publicly is pretty scummy. (The band also only contributed $5k out of $100k, and left the fans to cover the rest...) The prior disregard for safety concerns online before the incident (with a "fuck you"), and disobedience of the venue's rules only makes this situation infinitely worse. I cut mosh pits some slack since at least moshers have etiquette about helping people up if they fall, but reckless behavior like this needs to completely stop. I don't want to hear about another Astroworld happening, and I feel like concert etiquette in general has gotten worse in recent years. I wish Bird a quick, easy, and full physical and financial recovery (having to pay $100k worth of medical bills for this is awful).

[@evacody1249]

the issue is that people are confusing all shows that are heavy as if they are the same. Wacken open and Graspop bring in really have fans. There is no crowd killing there. That's not what a mosh pit is about. At metal shows it's push pits or circle pits. There is not hands or fits b3ing thrown.

[@py16667]

It wasn’t the kind of show where that was warranted at all, it’s not a Merauder show where that’s the idea & everyone is in on it, those who aren’t watch safely from afar

[@tylerbailey9329]

I often get frustrated that our crowds in New Zealand are too mellow, now I'm starting to think I took that for granted a little

[@caitlingill]

As a Kiwi u r just going to different shows I guess, some shows aren’t mellow at all

[@tylerbailey9329]

@@caitlingill I went to my first death metal gig a few weeks back and the opening act was complaining the crowd was too dead. Tbf, it did get pretty lively by the main event (Suffocation), probably because they kicked that much ass and sounded better than the record. Idk if that's the norm or not for our death metal shows tho. From the shows I've attended, my general impression is our crowds are pretty dead, sort of chill to a fault.

[@caitlingill]

@@tylerbailey9329 which city do u live in? Because Auckland shows especially at venues on Kroad can definitely get rowdy even at opening acts

[@tylerbailey9329]

@caitlingill I've been in Christchurch for a few months now. Lived in Dunedin too.

[@caitlingill]

@@tylerbailey9329 that’s probably why. U r just in the wrong place. Kroad in auckland is NOTORIOUS for crazy rowdy shows

[@alexandereast4072]

I was at a Hotelier concert and they encouraged stage diving from fans. This big 6'4 dude got on stage, did it, and got kicked out. I remember the lead singer saying something to the effect of how some dogs are bigger than others, and even if they don't mean it, might not be able to play as rough before security came to get him. It seemed harsh, but this is the reality of it: if you're big, it's not worth stage diving. And I don't know who shows up to a Wonder Years concert swinging that shit is insane

[@emmyrose233]

I swear people have 0 ability to read a room. I saw Neck Deep in Feb and I watched a guy run all the way to stage right where the crowd was thin, stage dive 5 feet OVER the barricade, and completely take out an unsuspecting girl who wasn't anywhere near the pit. Thankfully she was okay, but jesus. I love Neck Deep but they do not have a single song that warrants that behavior.

[@alexandereast4072]

@@emmyrose233 Yeah I don't get it sometimes. Felt for the big dude that got kicked out because he was happy and wanted to participate, definitely was just having a good time. But if you go through life tall and heavy (which has its advantages!) you should just leave jumping on crowds to smaller people. Maybe be an expert in catching people lol

[@DanceLouisDance]

​@@alexandereast4072yea I agree. I'm only 5'6 and weight only like 150 lbs. Ain't no way in hell I'm catching a dude who's 6'+ 200lbs+. It's why I never get seats near the stage.

[@MrChuckGrape]

It should go without saying. I don't go to a lot of concerts but I do attend wrestling shows from time to time. Professional wrestlers train to catch wrestlers who are doing aerial maneuvers. Even with all the training and athleticism, they don't do that with the big guys. You won't see Rey Mysterio trying to catch the Big Show. If trained pro wrestlers know better than to do it, it's probably not something a drunk idiot should attempt.

[@joshdimichele18]

Yeah people definitely have to be self aware at concerts. I definitely get wanting to join the fun of crowd surfing or stage diving but if your a bigger person you gotta realize the potential danger you put not only other people but yourself in also

[@DamBaker95]

As a lifelong concert lover who loves heavier genres like hard rock, heavy metal and punk i often see this at shows. I can enjoy jumping around and bouncing from left to right but i rarely pit unless the etiquette passes the vibe check (pick others up when they fall). It's essential to be very aware of the crowd and never drag people into it that don't want to be part if it because it ruins their experience. I rarely use the word 'hate' but i can say i despise crowdkillers since for me it's just plain assault. A wild and large moshpit is a place without law and justice which actually suits the roots of the music and would be nice if people are aware of their surroundings. People can take the chaos of the pit and utilize it to mask their ill-intended actions towards certain members of the crowd. I still love concerts and keep going to them, but my tolerance for crowdkillers is decreasing as i grow older and i'm barely 30.

[@thatalbumreviewerguy2169]

I completely agree. I've never been a fan of stage diving, mosh pits, or anything of the sort. Most people go to concerts to have fun and enjoy live music. They don't go to have drunk or overexcited fans hit them or jump on top of them. The fact that this kind of thing keeps happening shows that people need to wake up and realize that this behavior is making concerts a lot more dangerous for no reason.

[@evacody1249]

people are mixing up hardcore dancing with mosh pits. At metal shows mosh pits are just push pits and no one is getting hurt. Go to a death metal shows. Very different then a hardcore show.

[@elag5301]

This is an oldish video but holy shit I watched this thinking “who are trophy eyes” and then the against the current comment popped up and the memories came back to me-they opened for ATC last year, who are NOT a heavy band the way trophy eyes are. As a result, all the people at front (including me) were expecting a different kind of show. I was barricade for ATC (thankfully to the side), didn’t know who trophy eyes were… yours truly played-all good-then trophy eyes came on and he had jack daniels on stage and was so drunk, didn’t care about anything, everyone in the front was there for against the current and the crowd surfers kicked people in the head in the front (have no clue what was happening at the back). Never seen so much terror in some people’s eyes. The girl behind me shoved me so hard into the barricade to get my spot I came home with giant bruises on my knees. The singer didn’t say anything or read the room, just drank his jack daniels and jumped into the crowd himself. To date, the worst opening act I’ve ever seen. Once ATC came on, everything went back to normal. Thank you for reminding me who trophy eyes were, and I’m not surprised this happened.

[@rachelrue1712]

i saw trophy eyes recently as they warmed up for boston manor and it felt so gross when i learnt wht he did afterwards. he gets to keep living his life no problems. it was disgusting to hear him sing 'I'll step over you just to get what I need.' this man should be i prison, not touring.

[@ResidentRob]

Coming from the UK there seems to be much more out of control behavior at rock shows here, I went to punk and hard rock shows in the UK and people mosh/stage dive but it's more controlled and people look out for each other/give space. In the US I've been to fairly small shows and seen people grabbing each other and pretty much throw them across the room into tables/really be fairly agnostic to whether they injure them. The whole "F*** You' response shows absolute disregard for fan safety, I really hope Bird or family sues them into oblivion, then maybe people will start watching their behavior,

[@robertleadwood]

It's also pretty wild considering they don't have universal healthcare so they are risking alot of money acting like that.

[@archiecook55]

I agree, a certain amount of wildness is to be expected at rock concerts but there should be limits for the sake of peoples' safety. It should be fun, not scary, and people shouldn't have to worry about serious injuries or losing their life. All that being said I do think stage diving can be done safely, if those doing it are not too big and there is indication beforehand about what's going to happen.

[@theodoreconstantini2548]

It seems like rock thing, (and similar types of music), , in other cultures and with different types of music the idea that you or the musicians would behave in a way that injures someone is really alien. The idea is to have a good time and be positive.

[@lifeisaparty]

ARTV is my goat for this

[@braddersthemod]

GOLD AGAINST THE SOUL VINYL!!!!!!!! Not many American Manic Street Preachers fans! You have my respect!

[@beyondartv]

Love the Manics!!!

[@braddersthemod]

@@beyondartv would love to see you review some manics albums, like The Holy Bible or Know Your Enemy

[@stevenator7313]

Whenever it comes to these kinds of shows, I sometimes go into mosh pits. It depends on the show. I like to move around. But I also understand the dangers of it. But it sucks this happens. I do think the band are sorry and I hope they do better but maybe cause of legal reasons they can’t say much. I’m actually going to the show on the 15th and that venue is ok with crowd surfing and moshing. Hopefully nothing terrible happens. Hopefully, Bird will be ok

[@DanceLouisDance]

I agree I hope she's OK.and I hope the band is paying for a medical bills. If not then I think she should sue.

[@peachy6235]

10 Seconds in to the first song of the TO Architects show, I was elbowed in the eye and jaw while trying to exit the pit, as I knew it was going to be too much for me even after 5 seconds. What the fuck happened to no elbows/fists/knees in the pit? The amount of times I’ve gone in to pits and someone’s thrown an elbow my way is insane. I’m 5’2, I’m VERY easy to elbow in the head if you’re taller than me. I go in the pit to jump around and push people around, not get elbowed as that is NOT what I signed up for. Not to mention the groping that goes on in those crowded areas at shows. I’ve helped up and given first aid to so many people in the crowd that get messed up in the pit, hell even concussed. I love moshing, but we need to normalize not using our boney ass appendages to shove people. Crowd surfing and stage diving is insane to me. I got scooped up to crowd surf WHEN I DIDN’T WANT TO before, and the security at the barricade almost didn’t catch me in time because of how many people were coming over. But I’m also 100lb so I practically FLEW over that crowd. We need to be more mindful at shows, I miss going to them and not having to be squished or injured, or even groped.

[@locki_dos]

In the case of Architects. They are a metalcore band; in any core show, the pit will be crowd killing, that's just an integral part of the culture whether you, I or anyone likes it or not. You just have to know what you're going into in a gig beforehand and decide whether you should go into the pit or not. Because the pit isn't always going to be just a mosh pit. Mate, trust me I get the sentiment I got my nose broken in the pit (I was pelted by a backwards fist) when I was seeing Spiritbox/Loathe/Brand Of Sacrifice and although I say 'just showed how great the gig was', it wasn't nice especially considering I didn't really know what I was getting into either lmao.

[@racer24t]

​@@locki_dosreally annoyed with how vague you people are about what "crowdkilling" is. Catching a stray in the pit is not crowdkilling. Crowdkilling is deliberately targeting the edges of the pit. (Often done WWE style with cartoonish swinging involved) Nobody out here killing to Spiritbox 😅😂

[@peachy6235]

@@locki_dos I’ve seen other metal core bands live, arguably heavier bands too. The pits there were all chill. Fuck I even got knocked down and sent flying into the edge of a pit by one dude at a Fit For An Autopsy show. Buddy came bolting at me to come help me up and make sure I was okay, I was laughing my ass off and said “BUDDY THANK YOU, IT’S BEEN FIVE YEARS AND I’VE NEVER BEEN KNOCKED DOWN.” then ran back in with him. Not every metalcore or heavy show has to be “all goes”.

[@blakegunnels9205]

I agree with you on this jon and I also don't like stage diving or crowd killing and i hope bird recovers from this

[@dakotashea3561]

Everytime i jumped in the crowd, i gave them a heads up.. you dont just dive in unannounced -_-

[@lewiscarty5517]

I never liked the idea of crowd surfing in concert venues or crowded spaces, nor the idea of mosh pits, I hate why people have to do that and especially when some artists encourage people to do it, especially at outdoor festivals. I am looking at you, Architects, at a metal festival in Europe somewhere! I don't like those ideas and it's how people get hurt.

[@entransify]

I purposely stay outside of pits, but they have etiquette. If someone falls, you pick them up immediately. If someone wants out of the pit, you let them out. If you don't follow the simple etiquette, you're an asshole who shouldn't be going to gigs.

[@abyxis]

@@entransify used to be that way sure. Now it feels like people who just wanna act like shitters. so many drunk clowns just flashing their assholes at people and pissing on everyone

[@MattPlaysBass25]

For context, I’ve been to numerous shows in this scene. I can understand wanting to release some energy at shows like these, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. People should be mindful of their surroundings, and aware of their size and strength. I went to see Attack Attack, Belmont, Traitors, and Savage Hands last year. I was carrying a canvas bag full of vinyl records, because I wanted to get them signed by Belmont (I did). During Traitor’s set, the crowd was unbearable. There was a lot of crowdkilling. I got punched several times (enough for my arm to bruise badly), I had people knock my phone out of my hand, and I had people throw their entire body into me, while I was trying to stay out of the pit.

[@MattPlaysBass25]

I’ve had bad experiences with crowdsurfers too. I’ve been kicked in the head numerous times, I’ve had people land on my neck, and my glasses have gotten caught in people’s hair and ripped off my face.

[@pigandmeh]

Went to hot mulligan last week and the crowd surfing was annoying and twice during the show once during one of the opening acts and layer during the mulligan set they had to stop the show cause somebody was roughousing, passing out, or inappropriately touching people. When one person asked me to hoist them up i said no and made them go get someone else do that.

[@sonyachirrey2727]

That’s sad

[@CrisKG125]

Lawsuit.

[@Vdrumtips1]

It was an accident. And for anyone saying the band donated not enough... They don't make as much. I hope she gets better.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

If they don't make a lot of money then they should avoid doing stupid stunts that will cost them big

[@robertleadwood]

​@@anthonyvillanueva5226and definitely not in the U.S 😂

[@tjmods9857]

I’m about 5’2 went to see all time low not that long ago at the Philly show so I kindve have no choice but to be up front Alex never told the crowd to step back (opening act did though which I found odd) ended up standing next to tall people probably 6’0 who where able to luckily look out for me and others while people who should’ve have been crowd surfing where got kicked in the head a few times and almost fell down luckily someone held me up to where I didn’t fall down but needless to say people need to behave more respectful and responsibly while attending a concert were all their to forget the hell we currently live it should never add on to the hell or create a new form hell so what I’m saying is it’s also unfair to those who are 6’0 who now ended up feeling obligated to be a security guard basically when we’re all just their to enjoy a night out

[@MrChuckGrape]

If people aren't going to use common sense about crowd surfing, then it should totally be discouraged. Maybe they should have a crowd surfing section and the bouncer to make sure no big people try it.

[@archiecook55]

Yeah I think having it limited to a certain area with a bouncer keeping watch makes sense.

[@themelancholicpaganmusicco2980]

How tf does ADTR, MIW and BMTH’s music warrant fans going so insane over that they injure people? Not like they’re playing noise grind, slam, or other forms of extreme metal

[@heymistercarter.]

I was at an ADTR show, and I ended up leaving early because someone was dropped on my head and nearly broke my glasses. I try to avoid stuff like this for that reason. I have a ticket for IDLES at the same venue this year, and I'm looking for ways to avoid stuff like that at this show, since I know their shows feature a lot of that.

[@evacody1249]

I have been to three death metal shows no one did crap like this. It was a push pit. Death, black, and doom metalnare the most extreme metal genres there is and people don't hurt each other.

[@dimitrispodilatis5814]

Gold Against the Soul.Love the Manics.

[@offthecufff]

very sad story but i would hardly call stage diving "violent". i mean i totally get it about crowd killing but stage diving isn't as bad as that. this really sucks though! very sad though no one signs up to get hurt at shows. and no one should get hurt at shows!

[@beyondartv]

Idk, I feel like 250+ pound dudes jumping at girls who might weigh 120 feels kinda violent 😅 at least imo

[@caitlingill]

WHY does the “fuck you” comment have hundreds of likes but the og comment only has one like? What is WRONG with society?

[@dimitrispodilatis5814]

Gold Against the Soul!!

[@nevermindgaming6848]

Time to ban mosh pits and dives this is a concert not a WWF wrestling match

[@evacody1249]

you are confusing hardcore and punk pits with mosh pits at metal shows. At metal shows actually metal shows moshing which is just push pits are far safer then what happens at hardcore and punk shows.

[@nevermindgaming6848]

@@evacody1249 nah it's the same thing

[@jjames6990]

Why is this a big deal but we have let everyone at the Astroworld event WHERE PEOPLE DIED off the hook with nothing but a slap on the wrist.

[@A.I.Gaming]

This world sucks where the biggest assholes never fully get punished and held accountable. In this case, the frontman should 100% pay for the medical bills, it’s his fault and his fault only. What an a hole. To be semi petty, thank god their music fell off for me, sorry not sorry.

[@landontaylor321]

although i respect the opinion i think the culture would suffer from a ban. just put yourself in a better situation and you probably won’t get hurt it’s common sense

[@maxfli95]

youre 6,6? nice dude

[@ozzmosis6544]

damn man head over to wwe.

[@beyondartv]

💀

[@evacody1249]

Metal shows are far better.

[@robinchatterjee1519]

had no idea u were 6,6 lol

[@artistrankings6794]

im sorry but as a metal fan i simply cannot agree with the stance that we shouldnt mosh or stage dive

[@mr.sushi2221]

I think that both parties are some what responsible for this terrible accident. John should have warned people and that girl probably shouldn’t be right in the middle of the crowd. If u go to concerts and don’t wanna do that stuff most people know to stay to the side. I would say it’s 80-20 his fault tho. Really sad.

[@evacody1249]

​@mr.sushi2221 at metal shows with actual metal bands, it's a different culture. People need to stop throwing metal in with the Punk and hardcore culture.

[@lukejohnston5993]

They all have strict policies against stage diving and they all overlook it. It’s a general disclaimer. It is for legal shit. I’m sorry but that is generally understood. Sorry the bloke was injured. But this is terrible luck.

[@singthelongswansong]

I’m very pro dangerous behavior. Live a little. Watch your own and others backs, give a s&)t and people won’t get hurt. Rollercoasters hurt like 100 people a year and kill 5 should they be banned?

[@beyondartv]

Nonsensical argument. Roller coasters don't dive off fucking stages AT YOU. You CHOOSE to ride them. Grow up, have some empathy, or just continue being a miserable shit up2u

[@singthelongswansong]

@@beyondartv I feel for the person but damn, it’s ok it. Mistakes happen. Thanks for being nice dude. You could have just said the roller coaster part and left out the part about me being possibly being miserable. I’m just saying it’s a show….. I hate the same crap you do….. but kids are going to be idiots and so will front men. So I guess I was being an ass, I don’t want that stuff either - but I encourage kids to be idiots?

[@thadiousmilton]

Fugazi was right.