Why Islam is Clearly False | Jay Dyer & Apostate Prophet

[@ivanos_95]

Every time when I'm debating the Muslims, and their arguments are failing, they're going to exactly the same defence-mood and accusing the Bible of corruption, without realizing that accusing the Bible, means not only that we've no criterion to verify the prophethood of Muhammad, or authenticity of the Quran, but also they're accusing their previous Prophets, and the Prophetic religion of failure, thus proving Islam to be a new religion, with no connection to the original religion.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Exactly. I don't think muslims realize what a huge failure their god is if every single revelation that came before Muhammad got corrupted and he couldn't protect it!

[@mahada7649]

Right, like how pathetic is it that God couldn't get it right the first time despite being all powerful? Also how could he just abandon his followers to fall for lies like that?

[@enockt6218]

Yes because they have too, even if Muhammed confirm those scripture. They cannot face that Muhammed were wrong so they have to say all thousands of years scripture are wrong not him. Because they have to submit to Muhammed wholeheartedly before anything else.

[@timmy1tap678]

%100. Not to mention that the Quran does a few things that are a huge problem. #1 Quran confirms the scriptures/books/revelation at the time of Momo. We have copies of the Bible an thousands of manuscripts from centuries before Momo, so we know what the scriptures said at that time. #2 Commands Christians/Jews they MUST judge by their books. Why didn't Allah warn us NOT to judge by our books if they were corrupt?? Was Allah confused? or not aware that his revelation had been corrupted?? #3 Allah confirms over and over that the previous books of Christians/Jews IS his revelation, and he swears that he will preserve ALL OF HIS REVELATION!! Allah says NO ONE can change his words. Sooooo...1 hand Muslims say that YES nobody can change Allah's words. So then when u ask a Muslim why he doesn't believe the Bible? He'll say cuz we corrupted Allah's words. Then u say wait, thought the Quran says Allah swore to preserve all his previous revelation and nobody could corrupt it?? They say yes true, nobody can change the mighty Allah's words!! So why can't we trust the Bible?? Cuz it was corrupted!! So did Allah preserve all his words? YES!! Was the Bible Allah's words?? YES!! But it was corrupted!!🤦‍♂️Talking to Muslims often feels like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer

[@timmy1tap678]

@@keksi6844 🤣 No. You're foolish. You're Quran confirms the Torah and Gospel over and over and over and over again. Tells Christians and Jews they have no ground to stand on unless they judge by their books. If u want to talk about a man made book? Of the handful of so-called Quran manuscripts? Every one has entire sections erased, written over, tape stuck over entire lines, new words written in etc etc. They edited all the Quranic manuscripts to read the same as Hufs which wasn't published until 1924. There is not a more man made book in existence than the Quran. It steals stories from the Bible, pagan sources, known apocryphal Christian books, Jewish and Christian fairytale stories that were written for kids. Whoever put the Quran together, for example, was clueless. Thinking that Moses and Aaron were the brothers of Mary the mother of Jesus🤣🤣 Slight problem that they lived roughly 1,400yrs apart. And I find it funny that Allah swears to preserve ALL of his revelation and says NO ONE can change his words. By claiming Allah's previous revelation has all been corrupted?? You just made a fool and a liar of your god.

[@4evaavfc]

It is a shame that so many suffer under the oppression of Islam.

[@akgamingzz]

Who was the colonialist? European Christian who did colonization around country, slavery, African slavery, human zoo. So Christian areee badd

[@porphyry17]

​@@akgamingzz1400 years of war started 10 years after that cave "revelation"? also more years of the Arab Slave Trade with millions of Europeans, Iranians, Somalians, and Sudanese enslaved and/or castrated? the Arab colonialism or provinces in the Fertile Crescent, East Africa, India and North Africa?cultural erasure of non-Arabic identities? why do Egypt, the Amazighs, Assyria, Babylon, Phoenicia and Canaan(lol "Palestine" imagine pretending to be native but you call yourself after bronze age Aegeam migrants) speak Arabic today? you are probably some indo-chinese NPC who only became muslim because some traders convinced your low iq king somehow. and through socio-political pressure it spred to the lower classes. now shut up lol

[@LastCallComedy]

​@akgamingzz both were bad. Mohammed owned, sold black slaves. Slavery is still a thing in Saudia Arabia and many other Muslim countries. Prove me wrong my friend.

[@bluesky45299]

What is it about to man that he just submits to self(desire)? Why does he not take the higher path of submission to Allah(one/indivisible perfection)?

[@bluesky45299]

@@arturturk5926 liberalism is built upon two ideas: maximum freedom and maximum equality. Both of these ideas are erroneous because human behavior has to be restricted for the greater good therefore negating maximum freedom. Maximum equality is not possible due to differences in knowledge which establishes hierarchy. We must subjugate ourselves to law of Allah(the most exalted) who has totality of data, therefore being the only one that has the right to legislate.

[@withoutairwithoutwords5382]

Jay holding BASED whiteboard is meme gold. Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father

[@kuraikenshi2349]

Amen brother

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

His whiteboard is a fallacy. Daniel never made that argument. The whiten board was a self refutation of the position of Jay Dyer. ‘The OT mentions the prophets. Therefore it must be true.’🥴🤣

[@therealmaskriz5716]

​@@Rafael-vk2xoStop denying your Quran bro.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@therealmaskriz5716 The Quran doesn’t mention the bible. Christians who resort to these tactics. They have thrown the towel for their bible. Just like Jay Dyer threw the towel. He couldn’t even define the bible.🤣 It’s a deflection tactic of desperate Christians. They can’t define or prove the bible. They try to validate their undefined bible in the Quran. Lol at you.🤣

[@Judges.]

@@Rafael-vk2xo Thanks for commenting for the algo :)

[@Tessy-n1k]

HAPPY APOSTACY DAY TO ALL EX MUSLIM! PEACE

[@heberfrank8664]

We can't just say "Islam is lame." Because it is far worse than lame. Those that are under its yoke and deceptions deserve to be set free.

[@DavidChristosAlexandros]

I’m not leaving the true religion.

[@joelrobertson3130]

​​@@DavidChristosAlexandrosYou literally cannot even explain logically and reasonably WHY you believe that Islam is "the true religion".

[@drewwilson6639]

It's pure evil and influencing hundreds of millions of people. It's absolutely incoherent, that's why you're not allowed to question it

[@sultanahamed2484]

First set free crores of nuns under deception and in living hell for nothing they r attired in a particular way burrying desires of normal human being sometimes being sexually exploited by pastors priests is there anything lame than this poor innocent women when salvation in advance is granted to all what is the necessity of young woman embracing it purely inhuman process

[@snowwhiterosered8571]

@@DavidChristosAlexandrosthere’s no evidence Islam is the “true religion” the Quran affirms scriptures it blatantly contradicts. You believe Islam is the truth because a cult leader in the 6th century said it was.

[@kevinclark9587]

Jay's reaction to the Hadith about killing the pigs (2:03:31) is hilarious-I think those of us who are familiar with the Islamic sources become desensitized to the absurdity of it all, it's funny to see people hear this stuff for the first time

[@SR-zd3cu]

Love that .. “desensitised to the absurdity of it”. Cracking comment

[@BadKarma108]

Idk how hard is it for some Muslims to understand things in the Bible such as the holy trinity, I'm Hindu and I understand it 😂

[@theastronomer5800]

They don't want to understand it and admit that other people can have such a view or interpretation of god, they simply want to dismiss it because it opposes their views.

[@hassanbadrek2726]

Christian scholars couldn’t understand the trinity but a cow worshipper could Hmm🤔 Makes perfect sense

[@luserguy4732]

I'm sure being a Hindu, you are likely to have understood a conjecture of Trinity & not how exactly it has been articulated in Christian Theology by fathers.

[@DavidChristosAlexandros]

Because you’re pagan so pagan trinity is normal for you.

[@wizolufa1452]

Lol gather 100 Christians and ask them to explain the trinity and you’ll get varying degrees of answers. So let’s not pretend the trinity is some intuitive concept. And this is coming from someone who “understands” the trinity

[@sugami82]

Jay drawing the circle and explaining circular logic to Daniel Pikachu was one of the highlights of the debate 😂 One of the other things I found funny was when Daniel Pikachu complimented Jay for "not saying what other Christian apologists say about Muhammad" i.e. pointing out how his false prophet married a 6yr old and had sex with her when she was 9 😂

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Not yet 😂😂😂😂

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Daniel never made that argument. Daniel showed that Jay Dyer relies on a circle. ‘The OT is true because my church says so.’🥴🤣

[@seraphimfreeman3654]

is that all you understood? no wonder you sound like a low iq teenager @@Rafael-vk2xo

[@firstlast-en2wq]

@@Rafael-vk2xo Daniels logic relied on that argument, doesnt matter if he didnt make it

[@HasanUnknown]

Islam is a religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus, We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ, We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World, Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah, Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me” Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel, ----------------------- *Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️ ----------------------- "My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28] “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17] “Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] “Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39] “Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own, It comes from the one who has sent me.” [John 7:16] “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30] “The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11] --------------------- *The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible* --------------------- “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14] --------------------- *Allah Clears About Jesus* --------------------- [Quran:- 5:72]:- “Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." [Quran:- 19:30]:- “Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.” [Quran:- 4:171]:- “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: ------------------

[@alphabeta1337]

The main context of the Quran is the Meccan-Medinan conflict

[@sultanahamed2484]

Main context of Bible is sex and porn conflict that is why Bible is banned in the primary schools in usa

[@missasinenomine]

No I disagree. It Arabic creative writing based on a compilation of stories stolen from the Bible, with quasi-religious platitudes thrown in, & names taken from the Bible added at random to make it sound authentic, eg Antioch.

[@cogit0ergo705]

The quran is supposed to be the LITERAL speech of allah. But the first sentence of the quran is "You alone do we worship..." If the quran is the LITERAL speech of allah - meaning allah is the one who is speaking - then it SHOULD be - "Say, you alone do we worship.." That would be allah TEACHING you what to say - not allah saying he is worshiping himself or some other god. The VERY 1st sentence of the quran is an ERROR. And it's downhill from there.... 😀

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

The thing is, the English translations don’t make that clear, because the Abduls obviously don’t want to confuse their brainwashed Abdul minions.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

This is a dumb argument.

[@KahinaKhando46]

​@@Rafael-vk2xo🤫🐑

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@Rafael-vk2xo - Wow. You have such a convincing counterpoint.... 😀LOL!!!

[@cogit0ergo705]

@@KahinaKhando46 - I'm gonna take shahmablahda now. 😀LOL!!!

[@CristoMorelli]

I'm always learning with you guys

[@Aronid-se4of]

It's always good to learn from both sides too. It seems Christians may lose this point today, as Muhammad was very aware the Gospel and the Torah taught different things than he did. 21:40 is where Jay brings up (and AP earlier brings up) an ayat which reads "Why do they come to you for judgement when they have the very Torah from God?" which if you continue reading, is the exact point they missed. In the next ayats Muhammad claims that he accepts the Torah and Gospel as (a) true yet inferior to what he has, and (b) that his interpretation of their scriptures is the correct one. He is criticizing their lack of adherence and integrity to the Torah, for wanting to come to Muhammad to cause trouble. Here are some of the verses, for point (a) "We have revealed the Torah, wherein is guidance and light." "We sent Jesus son of Mary and gave him the Gospel wherein is guidance and light." "And We revealed to you the Book, with truth, confirming the Scripture that preceded it, and _superseding_ it." "For each of you We have assigned a law and a method. Had God willed, He could have made you a single nation, but He tests _you_ through what He has given you." "Judge between them according to what God revealed," and (b) "Do not follow their desires if they differ from the truth that has come to you." "They twist the words of God..." "We have given each nation a law and a method, to test them, but do not follow them if they differ from the truth that has come to you." Muhammad believed he had the correct interpretation and this may make sense if we read some things the Gospel says. A total of three times for example, it reads: "There is but one God, and but one lord the Christ." Timothy writes it in his chapter, Paul writes it too. The third time is by Jesus himself, "They know You the only true God, as Jesus whom You sent." Muhammad would've taken this particular interpretation and not gone with the popular Trinitarian interpretation. According to Muhammad there would be many "true Christians" today, who adhere to the purity of Tawhid but follow the teachings of Christ and Paul, doing good works and closely following the _majority_ of the Gospel parables and instructions; namely the Unitarian Church, the Jehovahs, the Latter Day Saints, churchgoers who identify as Christian but not Trinitarian, and a number of old denominations spanning back to year 30AD always believed there was Jesus but he's not God and a lesser being of some sort. It seems Muhammad's philosophical point was that the First Commandment was the most important thing and could not be veered from. It was made clear for a reason and this is what Muhammad would accept as the Christians, who he wouldn't follow and believed his own revelation is the truth, but who he said of, "They who believe in God alone and do good, whether Christian or Jew, they have nothing to fear." This also aligns with much of the Gospel, where Jesus seems to explicitly teach that only doing good works will permit you to heaven, following the commandments especially the first, to love God with all your heart and mind, and gave many examples and parables of the _how_ of entering heaven. Overall, Islam for Muhammad was a further and greater extension of this religion of Unitarian Christians, same he thought as Jesus being born a prophet around Judaism, learning from it and teaching his revelation and signs. For Muslims perhaps they see all the early schisms in Christianity, Paul fleeing to Greece or Rome and the church killings and new creeds, and anonymously-written gospel/prophecies, as a sign of overall disagreement or unreliability of what true Christianity was. "It is safer to believe a consistent message, that the First Commandment and doing good works and continuing the best of the law, is from a true prophet than is yet another unverified pagan drastic offshoot, designed mostly with Greek authors and Roman mythicism in mind. Perhaps if we investigate internally-consistent religions spanning from Hinduism to Judaism and the grand nation of Islam, we can gain insight on which of these hold correct."

[@arminius504]

@@Aronid-se4ofthey are not losing at all. Your copy and paste text of an unrelated issue is something they can easily address.

[@Aronid-se4of]

@@arminius504 Would this be why Christians make little 1 on 1 chat videos, while Muslims have 5-hour Arena call-ins every week?

[@slavi7191]

Jay is a philosophical genius👏 Greetings from a Christian Orthodox sister.

[@garethwest9069]

It's just 'Christian', as per Acts 11:26. Denominations were not part of the early church. We are called 'Christians'. Period.

[@slavi7191]

@garethwest9069 True: however, now that there are denominations, I like to specify.

[@boembo6627]

Does "Orthodox" mean you believe the world is flat and 6000 yeaars old?

[@slavi7191]

@@boembo6627 no

[@boembo6627]

@@slavi7191 Isn't Orthodox synonymous with Fundamental? Believing a literal interpretation?

[@robertspies789]

Whenever I talk to a Muslim about their religion they always have more emotion than logic, I believe it's that way out of fear, bc they know the punishment they would get if they ever disagreed with Islam. It is truly a fear driven cult

[@nunya54]

Islam is not based on fear. Faith in Islam is based on love, fear and hope.

[@Trollamollex]

​@@nunya54It's based on submittion. There is no one out there who says "oh wow, the love in this religion is so much better than the ones I've been looking at." Unless their understanding of love is a more baseline definition maybe.... I think a better set of words for what you might have meant is worship or awe. Islam does a great job at worshipping and being in awe of Allah, but those are in conjuction with submittion.

[@nunya54]

Islam means submission. FAITH in Islam is based on love, fear and hope.@@Trollamollex "There is no one out there who says "oh wow, the love in this religion is so much better than the ones I've been looking at." What? Not sure what this means or why it matters when comparing Islam to any other religion. Other religions are manmade. Islam is from God. So how they compare doesn't matter.

[@Trollamollex]

@@nunya54 What I mean can be discussed better than explained. How did you get into Islam personally? Maybe you can elaborate. Were you born into it?

[@nunya54]

Their religion is based on logic though. They know the punishment they would get is eternal punishment in Hell.

[@BLACK.ANGEL.]

2:03:32 ... The last part was hilarious *"Those pigs do have to get dealt with!"* 😂

[@normalisoverrated]

HAPPY APOSTACY DAY, ExMuslims!

[@skepticsinister]

@@keksi6844no such thing as judgement day, no such things as miracles: God is fiction in EVERY religion, culture, and language, everywhere, every second of every day, 365. The multitude of descriptions for a god are all incoherent. It is not nihilistic to be grounded and honest about the fact that nothing anywhere is watching any of us at any time in the real world.

[@hihowareyouhihowareyou430]

@@keksi6844prove the existence of judgement day

[@DEUS_VULT_CROATIA]

​@skepticsinister the muslim God is fiction . But Christ is real and there is no thing u can't do about but repent.

[@brianbouf8303]

​@keksi6844 so, why is this your problem? We dont believe in a day of judgment bt2

[@5irus]

​@@skepticsinisterWithout God, there is nothing but Nihilism. The best and most consistent philosophers through all of history have come to this conclusion; most certainly not just Christians, either.

[@NadaVerse]

Jay always brings it to the next level! The discussion had an intellectual flow while maintaining an entertaining dynamic.

[@sushilmundra7123]

Ok😊

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Jay Dyer lost the debate. Daniel schooled him.

[@therealmaskriz5716]

​@@Rafael-vk2xoonly in your head it seems

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@therealmaskriz5716 I can prove it. Daniel never made the argument on the white board. That’s just a strawman. Daniel showed that Jay is circular. He relies on his church. ‘The Old Testament is true because my church says so.’ He couldn’t even define the Old Testament. Daniel schooled him upside down.

[@therealmaskriz5716]

@@Rafael-vk2xo Notice how you just make claims without any argumentation

[@jedidiahmarsol7613]

This stream was a banger. Jay is great at debating Islam from a continuity perspective, but AP has so much of Muhammad’s dirty laundry. The more of this info that is shared, the better.

[@jedidiahmarsol7613]

@servant_serv-ant Thanks bro. Even if I took your word for it and Christianity is false, Islam is still completely retarded.

[@sultanahamed2484]

No fool can dent the truth of Islam Dr Jay is greatest liar after Hitler he is.criminal and corrupt what hell he knows about islam let him clean his but first before cleaning buts of others

[@jmanzani6450]

@@servant_serv-antWhy bother to cut and paste what you found on the internet, since you believe the books are all corrupted anyway???

[@therealkingbaldwin]

@@servant_serv-ant Mark 10:18 No denial of being God there. Matthew 19:16-17 Not a denial still. Matthew 7:21-23 Perfectly trinitarian verse. We believe Christ submits to the Father in role in the trinity, no subordination. Christ then implies he authority to judge, only God judges, which explains the prior verses. Mark 12:29 Trinity is one God Mark 12:32 Trinity is one God Luke 4:8 Jesus is referred to as Lord over and over in Luke. Exodus 34:14 God is triune Numbers 23:19 Jesus never lied. Jesus never changed his mind. Matthew 15:8-9 Jesus is claiming to be God and is rebuking Pharisaical accretions, examine the Talmud to see what those were. Luke 12:51 Division as in dividing families because of the topic of Him Matthew 10:34 In context the sword is in reference to families dividing over the topic of Him, as previously referenced. Luke 22:36 Jesus arms Peter and the later disarms him later in the same chapter, Luke 22:47-51 Luke 19:27 Jesus was not speaking literally as obviously 3 chapters later, Jesus tells Peter to stand down and heals His enemy. Luke 14:26 Jesus right after this statement tells a parable of man who built a house, and cannot pay what is required and leaves it behind, he could not count the cost. To be a disciple of Jesus is to count the cost, not literally hate your family, but you must sacrifice what you love to follow Jesus. Matthew 15:22-28 You didn’t quote 25-28, only 22-24. Verse 28 Jesus heals the Canaanite woman’s daughter, verse 25 the Canaanite woman worshipped Jesus and Jesus accepts the worship. Matthew 5:18 Heaven and earth is a metaphor for the second temple. The temple was heaven on earth and the doing away with of the ceremonial and ritual purity laws came with its destruction in 70 ad. Deuteronomy 14:8 Old covenant, irrelevant as we are under the new covenant prophesied in Jeremiah John 2:3-4 We agree. We follow Christ’s commands to love others as ourselves and love God with all our heart soul and might and we submit to the authority he imparted to the apostles and the church. Hebrews 5:7 The son of God submits to the Father. This is classic monarchia of the trinity doctrine accepted at Constantinople 1. Mark 15:34 This is fulfillment of Psalm 22, a prophecy of Christ’s crucifixion, complete with the piercing of his hands, despite Psalm 22 being prior to the roman empire and crucifixion. It is also an expression of Christ’s human nature feeling distant from the divine, John 17:4-19 Jesus is being returned to the glory He shared with the Father before the world was made. Elah is not identical to Allah, and it doesnt matter. Allah is the NAME of the god of Islam, Elah in Aramaic is a generic title. Immaterial point. Deuteronomy 24:16 This is fine. The orthodox reject penal substitution. Sin is ultimately death, and Jesus gave up his life willingly to defeat death, thus dying for our sins in a sense to save us from it, not pay the literal legalistic penalty. You can use legal language as an analogy, but it isn’t legalistic. Animal sacrifice in the old testament is prefigurement of Christ’s eternal sacrifice, the only one that could atone for sin. You cited prayers from several separate days to make it seem like it was one day. Manipulative, disingenuous, diabolical and evil even. Just like the way you use all these quotes. Isaiah 48:12 Jesus calls himself first and the last plus the alpha and omega in the book of revelation. Isaiah 48:16 Nice. The Father and the Holy Spirit identified. Thanks for demonstrating aspects of the trinity in the old testament 💪🏻 James 2:19 Trinity is one God Deuteronomy 4:35 The trinity is one God Gonna skip these it’s redundant Exodus 34:6-7 We are not guilt of previous sin but we inherit consequences of sin. Thanks for posting this so people can see how much you people lie and how manipulative and disgusting it is. Repent you should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to butcher the bible and fit it to your worldview. Absolutely pathetic.

[@gettriggered9724]

I loved when Jay brought out the white boards during that debate! His face was hilarious. Full Pchizo mode! LETS GOoooOOooOoo!!!!

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

He embarrassed himself. The whiteboard refuted his own position. His position is circular. ‘The OT is true because my church says so.’🥴🤣

[@mrquestion72]

@@Rafael-vk2xo Muslims not sending their best.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@mrquestion72 Daniel schooled Dyer. Dyer couldn’t even tell what your bible is. 🤣

[@firstlast-en2wq]

@@Rafael-vk2xo if the whiteboard cant explain it for you then i suppose it makes sense youre a muhammedan

[@mrquestion72]

@@Rafael-vk2xo You have no basis for determining the correct interpretation of the Quran or which Hadiths are legitimate. You just vaguely rely on a perceived scholarly consensus.

[@misterstudentloan2615]

Apostate prophets channel has the best intro music ever

[@UNITDW]

Jay is elite, keep having him on. He brings such a knowledgable analytical mind to the Qur’an from the perspective of someone who deeply understands the Old Testament and New Testament.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Daniel schooled him. Daniel schooled him upside down.

[@therealmaskriz5716]

​@@Rafael-vk2xo😂

[@KahinaKhando46]

​@@Rafael-vk2xo🤫🥱😴

[@TheOrthodoxPunjabi]

@@Rafael-vk2xo😂😂😂😂😂

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@therealmaskriz5716 This was the argument of Jay Dyer. ‘The Old Testament is true. Because my church says so.’🥴🤣 The white board was a self refutation.

[@DrMrMonkey]

I'm loving these streams together!

[@FunnyVideos51836]

Islam has no head and no tail😅😂

[@friedpickles342]

Yeah..and Allah has two right hands and a shin. 😊

[@albertlouisseize.]

Ebionism is the root of islam.

[@bobthrasher8226]

We know that the Judeo-Christian Scriptures were complete by Mohamed's time and can confirm that they we're not divergent (e.g. corrupted) between the time of their writing and Mohamed's time. So if the Quran confirms these scriptures then it would not be logical to claim they have been corrupted as this would contradict the Mohammad's revelation in the Quran. However, the Quran contradict these scriptures.

[@nunya54]

So someone corrupted the Judeo-Christian scriptures sometime AFFTER 610CE?

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Which bible?

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@Rafael-vk2xo All bibles since the fourth century at least, have the same four Gospels (Injeel), so just pick one.

[@redpilledtrooper7523]

​@@Rafael-vk2xoBecause there are more than one translation you consider them different? 😂

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@rexsceleratorum1632 Which one?

[@PotatoSolutions]

1:52:45 So basically the plot of the first three seasons of Attack on Titan

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Ah, I see you're a man of culture.

[@PotatoSolutions]

@@baldwinthefourth4098 I just keep moving forward.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

@@PotatoSolutions Until all heretics are destroyed.

[@faddy2812]

​@@porphyry17isayama is absolute troll

[@city_of_coompton6832]

Matt Walsh says the Chinese cartoons are demonic

[@Sousabird]

There was an alleged Christian sect called the Collyridians who were possibly worshipping a trinity that included Mary. However, there's very little evidence of them, and it would seem to be such a small group that they would hardly be worth allah commenting on. Though they were allegedly in Arabia, so its not hard to figure out why Muhammad might have thought about them.

[@toomanymarys7355]

They were loooong gone by the 7th century

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

That's the problem with Islamic scripture [Quran, Hadith, Sirat, Tafsir]. For centuries all their books systematically failed to address some extremely important [to Jews and Christians] people, events, and locations. Did Allah really forget to mention Paul the Apostle? How about the Nicene Creed? Why is it not in the Quran? Hey Allah, how about you tell us where Isa went, what he did there, and who he met. How come Allah is oblivious to the 10 Commandments? Where is the Roman Empire? Did Allah really forget to mention the most important Empire in existence at Isa's time? ...and the list goes on...

[@enockt6218]

LoL 😂 Allah mention sect who do not exist and never mentioned us christian who are billions upon billions in all this generation 😂 Allah had no clue about us at all that we even existed so he never addressed us.

[@toomanymarys7355]

@@enockt6218 I think Muhammad had no idea what Christians believed.

[@toomanymarys7355]

@@JohnGeometresMaximos according to the Qur'an, Jesus should have been a Roman, because the Qur'an identifies Romans as Christians.

[@celiaartemis5485]

Thank you guys, GREAT conversation.

[@Andersljungberg]

In Reliance of the Traveller, there is said to be a chapter about lying Or when you can lie According to Islam/Sharia

[@assasinsbear]

Awesome stream, thank you guys!

[@bobfield6493]

The Koran's description of the trinity is outrageous. If there is any evidence this is a false religion it's this one. Even if they took it from catholics, they do not worship Mary. It would seem so looking in from the outside which is probably what occurred here. Why Christian apologists don't hammer them with this blatant falsehood I don't understand

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Christians worship Mary according to the theology of the Quran. They give Mary divine properties. That’s associating partners with god. There is no trinity in the Quran. The Quran is addressing polytheism. The trinity happens to be polytheism.

[@luserguy4732]

​@Rafael-vk2xo You're desperately trying to defend the indefensible. No one attributes the divine properties to Mary. Stop telling Christians what they believe according to your fabricated religion.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@luserguy4732 This is based on the theology of the Quran. It doesn’t matter what you claim. You violate the oneness of god. You claim that the one and only true god is born through Mary. The Quran is dealing with the implications of your actions. You claim that god is born through Mary. You claim that God needed milk. You do associate partners with god. We don’t accept your theology. The Quran is measuring your actions through the criteria of tawheed. You violate the oneness of god.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@Rafael-vk2xo That's really shoddy logic. Christians don't care about the claims of the theology of the Q'n. And they don't claim that the true god came into existence through Mary. Do you know what an incarnation is?

[@Rocky-ur9mn]

​@@Rafael-vk2xono Christian give Mary any divine properties that is on par with the triune God just admit the mistake Mohamed oops Allah made. Jesus is God who entered creation he doesn't need milk but being an almighty entity chose to be dependent. The triune nature of God does not disprove his oneness

[@theastronomer5800]

Muslims always tell us to read the tafsirs to understand the Quran. The most important Islamic scholars claim (based on the Quran and hadiths) that these the previous revelations were never changed and are preserved: al-Tabari (on 6:115): "Nothing can change Allah’s word which he revealed in his BOOKS. The liars cannot add or delete from Allah’s books. This is referring without a doubt to the Jews and Christians because they are the people of the books which were revealed to their prophets." al-Bukhari reporting/agreeing with Ibn Abbas: "although none among Allah's creation can remove the Words of Allah from His BOOKS" Ibn Kathir: "As for Allah's BOOKS, they are still preserved and cannot be changed" Wahb bin Munabbih said, "The Tawrah and the Injil remain as Allah revealed them, and no letter in them was removed" Al-Razi says: It is impossible to have a conspiracy to change or alter the word of God in all of these copies without missing any copy. Such a conspiracy will not be logical or possible. Ibn Taymiyyah in his book Al-Jawaab ("The Answer") says: the Torah was altered slightly, however the majority of it is still intact, but the changes were MINOR, and among those who have chosen this view is our scholar. Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Messenger said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' " - Sahih al-Bukhari 7362 Ibn Ishaq, on page 103-4 of The Life of Muhammad states that it was John who wrote the Gospel of Jesus (not some imaginary gospel that Muslim today claim existed).

[@theastronomer5800]

I don't understand why you're quoting the Bible when I was talking about the preservation of the Bible according to the best Islamic scholars. Why did all these top scholars have a view contradictory to what Muslims (and predominantly Muslims) claim today? @@servant_serv-ant

[@nunya54]

Nowhere does any scholar mention the Bible as being the preserved words of God@@theastronomer5800

[@thesterrave]

stop quote mining the Bible and read in context@@servant_serv-ant

[@TM_AZ]

​@@theastronomer5800 Either another copypaste spammer or a comment bot.

[@manlike2323]

this was really an amazing show.. this is top class criticism of islam.

[@wmarkfish]

Danial pickandchoose is irrelevant. It is not permitted to regard him relevant. Let me rephrase that, Islam is irrelevant...

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

He schooled Jay.

[@indigatorveritatis7343]

@@Rafael-vk2xo pikachu is kind of like you, no wonder you try to support him. you probably drive slowly in school zones too LOL

[@sisgp123]

Great discussion thank you both.

[@killermoon635]

Dhu al-Qarnayn story sound like Attack on Titan plot

[@dutchvanderlinde4969]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@laylawray8818]

Great work guys showing facts about Islam and Islam is dieing because of you and cp d wood and others keep going 👍 👏

[@hikingviking859]

Yes, that’s why they offer to pay people to “revert”.

[@minterbell]

of course islam is FALSE.

[@nunya54]

Based upon what?

[@minterbell]

@@nunya54 based upon the truth from the bible. the God of the bible is NOT the god of quran. your quran and islam is from the devil. bunce of LIES. so do you want to try your luck again? or do you want to embarrass yourself again and again? your idiot muhammad murdered thousands of people for demonic reasons. rapist, womanizer, a model of evil deeds, sex. hating idolatry but you idiots worship a toilet in mecca. you can never explain how idiotic your evil religion is.

[@НиколайРоманов-л6ю]

​@@nunya54based on the fact that Muhammad said world would end in 100 years but it didn't

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

@@nunya54- uhhh… duhhh, Abdul. Anyone behaving like a typical pdf.file is more then enough proof to those who love and care and protect the innocent little children, like how normal parents do.

[@nunya54]

Where did he say that exactly?@@НиколайРоманов-л6ю

[@JesusChristisKing94]

Without lies Islam disintegrates into ashes. Praise the LORD Jesus Christ!!!

[@-metaknight-1135]

Islam is no different to Christianity

[@insanoibro6331]

​@@-metaknight-1135VERY DIFFERENT

[@JesusChristisKing94]

@@-metaknight-1135 😂😂😂😂 you’re joking right?

[@snowwhiterosered8571]

@@-metaknight-1135sure girlie

[@ntkmw8058]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠first I wanna tell you, whenever I refer to other verses I’m talking referring to the King James Version 1. Mark 2:5-7 Pharisee asks “who can forgive sins but God alone” Jesus *forgives sins* 2. Same logic here, he’s offering the guy to believe that he’s God. The guy the has two options: to believe that Jesus is God on spot and so be noticed as a disciple of Jesus by the public. Or the other option, to believe later on in private and so be saved but not a disciple (keep in mind Jesus was also probably preaching the gospel) 3. The will of God is stated explicitly in John 6:29-40. The will of God is simply to believe ON Jesus Christ the Lord. You don’t believe ON anybody else but God because he’s the savior. Christ tells you to believe(trust) ON him because he’s the savior and God is the only savior that saves from hell. 4. Jesus is claiming to be no one else but THE LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4 says the LORD is one. In Hebrew, the word used is “echad” and it’s used in Genesis 2:24 to refer to the Union of Adam and Eve. Echad is a compound unity and it’s used to describe God. Moses could’ve easily written yahid but he chose echad for a reason. 5. Jesus accepted worship many many many many many times. And he even blessed people for it. Take Thomas for example, he finally believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and Jesus made a blessing upon all those that “have not seen and yet have believed” 6. Jesus is clearly the LORD. In Genesis 19:24(I’m not sure, I forget the verse), it says that “the LORD rained fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of heaven”. There are not two LORD’s, this is just a demonstration of the Holy Trinity. 7. God of course doesn’t lie. The Father is the person of the Holy Trinity that speaks to the Jews in the Old Testament. This is just telling you that you should worship no man as the Father. But the Son later would be revealed as a man(having become a man), and the Son is the only man that you should worship. Not to say that he was a man that came into existence, but he is God from eternity who became man. And btw I have no idea why you still try to argue that Jesus worshipped allah. He called God(YHWH the true God) his Father many times. Do you dare to call allah your father?

[@netsoldat]

Alhamdulillah Christ is King✝️👑

[@m.e.k3172]

alhamduliyesu

[@popsy5676]

الحمديسوع ❤️

[@blueblubber6607]

"Christ is King" And Napoleon the emperor

[@Judges.]

When I started reading the Quran I was surprised because I expected it to be another book 'attached' to the Bible, makes sense if it is new revelation. Another thing that surprised me was how literal it was, because the Bible is filled with symbolism. 🐷

[@friedpickles342]

I'm arabic. And i still couldn't understand the koran. Even when i cheated and read it in englisj

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@friedpickles342 You have no intellect. That’s why you believe in the trinity and incarnation. Both are logical contradictions. You will answer this with emotional insults. You will prove my point why Christianity is bankrupt. They can’t have logical discussions. They will resort to cheap tactics of insults to avoid a discussion at any cost. They will try to pull the fake moral card to avoid core doctrines. The same people who believe that Jesus commanded numbers 31:17. 🤥🤓 Christianity is bankrupt. You are proving this.

[@Judges.]

@@unknownn520Yeah so goofy!

[@BB25_25]

Agreed, it’s not a spiritual book at all, I was baffled by the material worldly obsession it has. It literally has pages on toilet behaviour, how can anyone call this a holy book?! Yet muslims are so deceived they think it’s amazing. The sad thing is they’re deceived by their scholars that the Bible is false but it doesn’t say that in the quran, it says the opposite, but because of these lies they never read the Bible themselves see what is a truly spiritual book.

[@BB25_25]

@@friedpickles342 yep.. they’ve mistaken a nonsensical hot mess with being deep and spiritual because it’s incomprehensible.. you couldn’t make it up.

[@robb7855]

Jay seems to have entered a new chapter in his story. He’s been a lot more courteous and doesn’t fly off the handle with insults.

[@cindyweatherly4501]

Is he an Orthodox Christian?

[@David-kz2im]

@@cindyweatherly4501Yes.

[@cindyweatherly4501]

@@David-kz2im Thank you 💐

[@nonchai]

So much substance here, even if ones consumed APs own prior content on this issue. This podcast could kind of serve as a reference for future discussions or debates on this.

[@greylonewolf8750]

35:17 Daniel completely ignored the issue of burning bush in the Quran, in his debate with Jay.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

It’s a silly argument of Jay Dyer. Only a trinitarian will make this absurd claim.

[@greylonewolf8750]

@@Rafael-vk2xo Cope harder.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@greylonewolf8750 I’m not coping harder. Jay Dyer rejects logic to interpret verses. He claims that messengers can also be Yahweh.🤣 What is a messenger? Is the messenger of Yahweh identical to Yahweh? The Quran doesn’t say the burning bush is god. It doesn’t say God is in the burning bush. Trinitarians try to make this inference. Because they believe in the trinity. They try to use their square circle Trinitarian theology as a criteria to interpret any verse. Daniel schooled Jay Dyer. This is supposed to be your top apologist. He couldn’t define your bible. He couldn’t tell which text he accepts. He couldn’t tell how he knows if it goes back to any prophet. The white board was for him. He was completely circulate. He was presupposing the OT to ‘prove’ the religion of the prophets in the OT.🤣 He couldn’t even tell which text and why he accepts it. He tried to deny to rely on the church. He uses the church against Protestants and sola Scriptura. This guy is very dishonest and speaks with two tongues.🤥🤥🤣

[@greylonewolf8750]

@@Rafael-vk2xo "He claims messengers can also be Yahweh" Give the time stamp,or else you are a liar.

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

@@greylonewolf8750 You dropped the time stamp. It’s the time stamp of the burning bush. He claims that messengers can be divine and created. Do you know what messenger means? God is a messenger of God?🥴

[@david-468]

I’m so glad you did a video with dyer now we just need David too lol

[@David-kz2im]

So many Davids…

[@jsilvanus240]

The BIBLE is the foundation of WISDOM and GOD revelation to man..

[@pixtilla]

Nah.

[@minterbell]

@@pixtilla the God of the bible is NOT the god of quran. your quran and islam is from the devil. bunce of LIES. your idiot muhammad murdered thousands of people for demonic reasons. rapist, womanizer, a model of evil deeds, sex. hating idolatry but you idiots worship a toilet in mecca. you can never explain how idiotic your evil religion is.

[@BadKarma108]

To me it's Bhagavad Gita 🕉️🙏🏽

[@Yossarian.]

You are saying that the bible is the foundation of wisdom. Was there no wisdom. Of any kind prior to the bible? Nobody on earth had a single wise thought until god got involved?

[@minterbell]

@@Yossarian. wisdom comes from God. are you an atheist? just asking.

[@maxirice3554]

Islam and its empty noise

[@Noel-i9r]

Hello AP, blessings from Nottingham. Loved this show and as I'm not Orthodox, I think that Jay Dyer is quite possibly the best apologetic on a high resolution level that I have come across. Shamoun is a walking encyclopedia Britannica but I struggle with his behaviour and rather unhelpful language but I won't judge him as that's God's job so it is only my subjective opinion. I lost my wife and 2 sons in Egypt whilst working as a missionary so I'm personally very aware of who evil they can be, thankfully not all of them as I have met many decent Muslims. My question is to you AP if you get this is as a man of Turkish descent, why do They continuously deny the Armenian genocide, the Greek genocide, the pontic Christian massacre and the displacement of indigenous Turkish Christians and their hatred of Kurds. I'm going to Turkey next April so I would love your opinion

[@XT-999]

Ap i love your intro music (islamic humming)

[@matthaze9765]

Islam doesn't teach how to think. It teaches how to obey. Period.

[@nunya54]

Except the Quran goes against that idea. To be Muslim does mean to submit to God though which is smart as no one can think and know better than God

[@awake3083]

Yeah, obey God..

[@Matthew-16-18]

Great chat! The theological inconsistency between the OT /NT and the Quran is a killer argument that there is no way around for Islam. Unfortunately most Muslims are so ignorant of this it’s an uphill battle to make the case.

[@garysmith1931]

Mohamed claimed he went to heaven and talked Allah down from lots of prayers every day to only 5 a day. This from a man who says Islam means submission to Allah, really, not a lot of submission it that story.

[@dollahmusa6705]

Always learning from you guys..

[@JoaneEltern]

Thanks for your work

[@sierraleonediamondexplorat2080]

My two favorite guys.... God bless you guys... Mr. Apostate I can't wait until you will convert to Orthodoxy. I wish you God speed on your journey...

[@kennethscott4997]

Even if you take it at face value, Mohammad was the charismatic and psychopathic leader of a gang of highway robbers. Modern day analogues are Charles Manson or David Koresh.

[@prometheusjones6580]

Wow the combination of the bookshelf and the floridaman ponytail is unstoppable.

[@Mark_Dyer1]

"You can't appeal to the thing in question, when debating the thing in question!" [09:30] As a Christian, I have been trying to get this point over to scriptural literalist Christians for decades: but all they do is cite chapter and verse as 'proof' of their contentions. How do I know scripture is "God-breathed"? Because scripture tells me so! And that is before we debate what the author of the Pastoral Epistles intends by the use of the term "God-breathed". Given the importance of the various 'names' for Allah in Islam (especially 'Greatest of Deceivers'), I find your point about the rejection of one of the Hebrew 'substitutions' for the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) - Elohim or El' as 'pagan' to be ironically curious. The Koran contains verses which support a literal reading, and express disdain for those who would "seek interpretation" (see The House of Imran: 5ff, for example). Despite many Christians choosing to treat, and read, our scriptures like devout Muslims read their Koran, there is no verse in the entire bible (compiled over thousands of years) which compels it to be read in only one, .iteralist, way. There is not even an expressed preference for this. Even placing the word 'Holy' before the word 'Bible' is a late invention within Churchianity.

[@collybever]

Should we not as christians think it is literal in places though? Say, the spoken words of Jesus. Some text that is counterintuitive to natural logic, Mark 11.23, but in line with the entire biblical message, for instance one can read amazing testimonies that relate to that. But then we are not in 1970s tech "dumb terminal" mode, we are analogically like modern computers potentially connected to all-knowing supersupercomputer. So you get humans recording their reactions, their thoughts, events, so that can have its own flaws. Islam seems to have the 1970s tech dumb terminal model, of Mohammed falling on the ground, hearing bells in his ears, being covered, then saying he's received revelations, supposedly what is in the Quran, with all its evident mistakes.

[@ntkmw8058]

You cant deduce whether scripture is God-breathed outside of scripture. First you prove the scripture is true and inerrant, and then you read what’s therein and then hold what’s therein as true. No need for pride masqueraded as intelligence. it’s a big waste of time

[@Mark_Dyer1]

@@ntkmw8058 What do you mean by "inerrant" and - once you have decided what you mean - where does the "inerrantcy" lie? My own suggestion is that this form of questioning COULD lead the Christian down the route of the most devout of Muslims: that there is "inerrantcy" in every word (except when translated from Arabic!). How well do you read Hebrerw and Koine Greek or are you - like me - dependent on the translations of others?

[@Mark_Dyer1]

@@servant_serv-ant Point proven! And it must have taken you ages. Your brother-in-Christ; MARK

[@chozusmakavelli]

your "greatest of deceivers" statement proves the relentless propaganda against Islam is taking affect. in some translations the word is best of planners. but the exact meaning isn't as relevant as they try to make it. even if it was deceive, why is that a problem to Christians?? God has showed us two paths, the right path AND the wrong path. did the Christian God create the devil?? and what does the devil do?? bake fairy cakes for kids at lunch time? the Quran says certain people have had veils placed over their hearts, so no matter what you tell them, they will not understand. these are people who indulge in sin (ie multiple Gods, formication, intoxication etc) therefore God does not offer them his guidance, he has already sealed their fate. the Quran has a very direct and simple message to Christians, worship God and only God. It's not telling you, you have you become to Muslim, it's telling you worship one God, then you will be of the righteous. if you are a Christian that worships only God, then you are a Muslim by default. you sound like an intellectual chap so I would expect you to see through the shenanigans of these sub par "intellects". I haven't even watched the entire video, I skipped the first few minutes of waffling and at 13min they are discussing why do Jews/ Christians goto Muhammed if they have their own scriptures - thus being circular. they don't point out that Jews and Christians DID goto Muhammed not for religious guidance or confirmation, as a mediator for personal disputes they had, because Muhammed had a reputation of being a problem solver and coming up with solutions that kept both parties happy. thus nullifying every point they make after, as well as assumptions that the 3 religions are contradictory. the Quran is making a point that laws were sent to the Jews and Christians, therefore they shouldn't need Muhammed to advise them on how to resolve personal issues (ie inheritance, money, marriage, political/land disputes etc), but the fact it's they did seek his resolutions. the fallacy of these guys is something else. they cram in so much shit in a short a space it would take essays to explain how and why they have their heads stuck in each others assholes. pardon the inappropriate language but there's no better metaphor about the behaviour and antics of these people (all anti Islamic content creators). they want to talk about God being a deceiver when they are deliberately and consciously trying to deceive their own audience, in fear of what?? that People might worship one God.

[@jdy1054]

When I was trying to find God, I read Jehovah Witness books, Mormon Bible, Buddhist and Hindu literature, but to try to read the Koran felt like someone had torn a book up and I was reading bits of confetti. It made zero sense. I’ll takeJesus as God, thank you very much.

[@nunya54]

Jesus was not God. Jesus called to worship God alone. He was not the son of God either . . . . research and find out the truth. But if we are to submit our speculations to the text and build our theology only with the bricks provided by careful exegesis we cannot say with any confidence that Jesus knew himself to be divine, the pre-existent Son of God. - James D.G. Dunn, (Emeritus Professor of Divinity in the Department of Theology at University of Durham, Minister of the Church of Scotland and Methodist preacher) Christology in the Making: An Inquiry into the Origins of the Doctrine of the Incarnation

[@Jakov-or7fp]

​@@nunya54He Said only God can forgive sins, then He forgave sins

[@Judges.]

Yay! The great duo! 😺

[@SoYouAreB]

AP, I liked the Intro Music! "The Is-Lamic Ham" 🤣

[@MinisterRoy205]

There is no false verse in the old testament. There are just ordinances that were temporary, and commandments that were not.

[@MinisterRoy205]

@servant_serv-ant elahu, not elah. And no, you're absolutely wrong. Don't pull verses out of context. Take the whole chapter for context. You are committing an etymological fallacy and equivocation fallacy

[@MinisterRoy205]

@servant_serv-ant that's hilarious. Jesus did all he said he would. He is the, I am, before Abraham Jesus existed. As such, in relation, is the Son with the Father and the Holy Spirit God, uniquely infinite. Can love without anything else existing. Is not needy. And unlike "allah" he does not need to come to a lower place in the clouds to hear prayer, but is omnipotent and omnipresent

[@MinisterRoy205]

@servant_serv-ant so you take the word submission, equate it to an old adage about Islam, when clearly, your equating rhat adage with modern islam. Ehich are not the same. Jesus was a Jew. And was a very good Jew in the way of man. And yet did his works as God. As for muhammad, his aorta was cut as the false prophet he was, and rightfully was poisoned for his transgressions against God and his people the Jews

[@MinisterRoy205]

@servant_serv-ant he could save himself. No man kills me, for i go to sacrifice myself as it was written. How about reading the bible for yourself instead of relying on lying dawah. Because even the context of those chapters contradicts your foolish interpretation

[@FocusonBibleCodes]

Great discussion. Your guest mentioned the Name Yahweh. AP, I remember your presentation on the name of Yahweh from a while back and was very impressed with the accurate info you put forth. I've been puzzled for a long time as to why christians don't use His real name more often. His real Name isn't lord or god. Those are totally different words in hebrew, they are not the yod hey vav hey Name. (I recommend you put a link to that presentation about Yahweh in your description box here.) Thanks for your channel. Blessings.

[@albertlouisseize.]

Simply because Jesus never said YHVH himself.

[@noeticage]

Without lies, Islam dies

[@ulka7777]

Thaddeus actually did a stream with Mary about the Alexander story, it was a response to Jews asking questions that only prophet would know, Mo said he'll answer next day, he didn't and after a while he came with this, one of the questions was also about the spirit, which he didn't answer

[@JamesJohnson-pz8pu]

I'm curious about how your life has changed since you started speaking out about Islam. Do you choose to reside in a rural area or do you live in a more urban setting? Your passion is admirable, and I view you as a notable figure. However, it's hard for me to ignore instances where individuals have been harmed or lost their lives over far less than your actions.

[@Judges.]

Recall AP saying that police came to his door about the d3ath threats he received from Muslims, reassuring him that his has the right to say what ever he wants.

[@BB25_25]

@sepulvedablvd7846 please tell me where that place is because they seem to have infiltrated everywhere Christian.

[@Sten111]

Since the Jihad of the last two decades the teachings of Islam have come under greater scrutiny ...and found completely wanting....its collapse will come like a pack of cards.

[@sonusancti]

Defending falsehood and stupidity is a fool's errand, both are indefensible.

[@SmartInstaStore]

Please make shorts, reels to get more reach

[@ffs6158]

Islam is like a weird crazy puzzle into madness. Here is a book from an epileptic p3d0, you need 100 others it was complied from to try to comprehend what the hell its talking about.

[@thebritishbookworm2649]

AP this was a brilliant discussion. Thanks ❤️

[@rajan6530]

Yes, it is true that ISLAM is false but still a huge amount of muslim belief that it is the words of GOD. I think, we haven't touched the core psychological misunderstanding of MUSLIMS mind.

[@lisadabbs2181]

​@nxbxxha_1764 You sound very angry and confused. By the way, KNOWING and BELIEVING are not the same thing. Learn to tell the difference, it is HUGE.

[@lisadabbs2181]

@ippos_khloros6163 That's exactly how I see it. I find it puzzling on how this ideology is such a collective mental disorder. The all-consuming hatred for "the other" is very disturbing. It is so impervious to reason and self-examination. I would describe it as a primitive and sadistic ideology and, like you said, childish. That the great majority of people are incapable of seeing what an existential threat is for all of us, speaks volumes of the gullibility and ignorance of the average person.

[@ime108.]

If you read the Quran ❤u become a Muslim But If you Translate and Understand the Quraan u become X-Muslim for Sure...

[@maciek1655]

So how is it Gods perfect message for all mankind if the word is only accurate in one specific language

[@Trollamollex]

​@@maciek1655Well that question has many possible answers.

[@maciek1655]

@@Trollamollex ikr seems to me either allah was too lazy and couldnt be bothered or he’s not really all knowing

[@StatischBenutzer]

and even in the original language there are thousands of books explaining the meaning of the verses. The words of god wouldn't need that @@maciek1655

[@ColumboE7]

I can’t help but think that AP will give his life to Christ one day! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@LeutherGreengager-ip1uw]

O Muslim, if we Christians have corrupted our Scriptures then show us the original texts.

[@ratboy_]

This is just Christian Bale doing an American accent

[@dutchvanderlinde4969]

lol i thought the same,, he look like younger version of Christian Bale😂😂

[@hanslesolo]

Couldn't the Quran include the relevant older scripture in the same book as the relevant newer scripture like the Bible did with the Old and New Testament? So it's easier to reference? Wouldn't that have been easier?

[@toomanymarys7355]

The early Muslims thought that the Quran did include all of the Torah plus bonus material.

[@nunya54]

What?

[@collybever]

@@nunya54I If the Quran was added revelation, in line with "previous scriptures of Allah", as it teaches in multiple passages, why would these not be included, like is usually the case for christian bibles (which include the Old Testament, and sometimes also intertestamental texts), once they were translated into Arabic. The Quran has very reduced versions of Bible events, often repetitively given and split across different surahs, and misses some prominent prophets, e.g. Samuel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel. So if the Bible is good revelation as the Quran teaches, it would natural to include it, as the parts of it in the Quran are retellings, and sometimes just commentary on a few features (not always accurate though, maybe for instance if the author was very desirous of slaves for himself, he would tend to overdo the idea that humans are servants of God - emphasize how we are just His slaves, and avoid the idea that God is Father to all who come to in real faith).

[@nunya54]

Added revelation? I don't know about that term. I also don't know that previous scriptures that WE know about included all the scriptures or revelation that came before that time to ALL the prophets since the beginning of time. I know that God reveals what He wants when He wants and shares some knowledge with us but not all. The Quran does not teach the Bible is good revelation. The Quran only mentions the ORIGINAL revelation to Moses and Jesus which is not what is mentioned in the Quran. The Christian Bible does NOT include the scripture of God; or at least not completely and preserved. There is no Injeel or Gospel of Jesus in the Bible. We have the gospel instead of many other men instead. Are all the revelations of all the previous prophets in the Bible? I don't think so and why would they be needed? Islam is the NEW law from Mount Paran. The old laws would not be necessary except for what God deemed necessary. Why do we need detailed Judaic or Mosaic law for example if we have a new, perfected law? Christians have the OT but why? They don't follow the laws (though we would argue they were SUPPOSED to follow them)@@collybever We could never say the Quran was not accurate judging based on the Bible or that it misses parts, as God included what He wanted and the Bible has no known authorship and cannot be authenticated to judge the Quran. The Quran has nothing in it proven false; not so the Bible. We would never judge a reference or non-fiction book with fiction. Not to say there is no truth in the Bible because there is but even a work of fiction must make contact with reality The writers had to mix truth with their falsehood so people would listen. With the Bible as we continue to prove more parts of the book false and can't confirm the other parts. We know, for example, that the writers mixed up characters, genealogies, parts have been lost and in some places, they were literally making things up, etc. Who is to say those names are accurate, not invented or necessary. We do not know the names of all the prophets in the world and in history. There are names in the Quran of ones not mentioned in the Bible, for example. We are told of many more prophets than we have names for. There are verses about Samuel and Isaiah in the Quran.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@nunya54 The word "injeel" comes from Evangel, from Greek Evangelion ("Good News"). This raises a bunch of questions. Did your god reveal the Injeel to Jesus in Greek, breaking his promise to only reveal books in a prophet's native language? If not, why the Greek name? Specifically, why does your god use the Greek name for the four books of the New Testament to indicate a completely different book which no Christian has ever claimed to possess? When was this Injeel lost? Why do Christians not know about this book AT ALL? Was it lost before the 7th century? Then which Injeel was the Q'n talking about, that the Christians had in their hands? Your explanation is a good start, because usually peacelamics try to completely avoid this topic rather than try to lay out an argument, seeing as there are no answers or coherent explanations that fit all the facts.

[@byronalfaro5550]

I’ve always liked GodLogic’s honesty when speaking with Muslims. He always tells them “you’re a better person than Muhammad.” It usually leads to anger but they’re surprisingly open to that approach.

[@nunya54]

He's ignorant of Muhammad or he's being hateful and hypocritical.

[@joygibbons5482]

@@nunya54 Nope, he’s basing his assessment of Muhammad from your own sources. Own it

[@nunya54]

@@joygibbons5482 Key word: HIS assessment. That's not what the sources of Islam are based upon. Not my assessment, not your assessment, not his assessment. And then his assessments undermine his own religion!

[@hermeticascetic]

11:00 the new testament also doesn't change the stories of the old testament. It says the old testament is the true inspired (key work: inspired) word of God. And error is human error. And the only contradiction they point to is an age difference which when you look at those ages in the original Hebrew, the difference comes down to a small line that changes the translation. A small line. That's the different between 22 and 42 in Hebrew. Transcription error. But instead of hiding the mistake, several Bibles point out the error because no Christian has ever claimed the book is perfectly preserved.

[@garethwest9069]

Amen! muslims (just like atheists) NEVER peruse Bible commentary/Christians/Christian sources to hear the other side because, just like atheists, they are CERTAIN that they "know" we're "wrong", sans any dispassionate search for truth.

[@jetsetjourneysofficial]

excellent info

[@icewilliams59]

Boy oh boy this is an inflammatory title You have my attention

[@thewordistheonlytruth8784]

This vers is for islam They shall lick the dust like a serpent, like the crawling things of the earth; they shall come trembling out of their strongholds; they shall turn in dread to the Lord our God, and they shall be in fear of you.

[@stayelevated4205]

Intro music is firee🔥🔥

[@JohnDoe-nb2np]

Jay is smart

[@orthodoxwitness2374]

Gog and Magog are also mentioned in the Revelation of St. John (Revelation 20:7-8), so that is probably where Muhammad heard it. As a side note, the Church Fathers interpret Gog and Magog to be the masses who will rise up against Christians and follow the Antichrist during the last days.

[@timmy1tap678]

Allah and the Calvanist God have quite a bit in common.

[@sebozz2046]

I heard that break the cross and kill the pigs are an allégorical way to say he will put an end to christianity and judaism which makes sense with the rest of the hadith since then if there is no more christianity and judaism there will be no more need for the Jiziah tax.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

It’s not allegorical in Pakistan and many other Abdul communities in the west.

[@popsy5676]

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[@Pawana123]

I am culturly Buddhist and phylosophicaly buddhist. Well, to hell with the buddha, as he preached against falling for the fallacy "Something cannot be necessarily true just because I (the buddha) says so"(කාලාම සුත්ත, සූත්‍ර පිටකය kalama sutta). This is driving me crazy. So #@!% the Buddha.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Damn bro chill

[@zayxnt8717]

Huhh ok… lol

[@greatexpectations6577]

Please understand that no religion or philosophy or truth claim or human thought can be completely and totally (hundred percent) accurate. You will never rest your mind If you’re seeking such truth phenomenon. Approach things with sympathy and humility.

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

@@greatexpectations6577 Well, if you believe it, then you believe it is accurate. I am a Christian and I believe Christianity is 100% accurate. Muslims believe Islam is 100% accurate. Jews believe that about their religion.

[@Pawana123]

@@baldwinthefourth4098 We buddhist do not believe. We have experienced that the feeling of unsatisfactoryness exists and we do have tried to not attach as suggested and found that it helps to relieve the unsatisfactoryness. That is the core of buddhism.

[@MichaelYoder1961]

IMHO - all religions use circular reasoning. "My religion/book is true because it says so in my religion/book."

[@lisadabbs2181]

Yes, all religions use circular reasoning, but not all religions are created equal. Some are worse than others. Christianity has been rendered harmless. Islam, instead continues to be a voracious beast that demands submission and to be constantly fed by all its dumb followers 😂

[@hassanbadrek2726]

What’s jay’s view on Moses and Abraham since they didn’t follow any tradition

[@Judges.]

Who's 'they'?

[@hassanbadrek2726]

@@Judges.Moses and Abraham

[@JuliaTrisler]

But I think that the irony is that Jay Smith and Al Fadi can not even locate a single man who fits the description of Mmnd according to the Islamic apologetic narrative time frame. There also was no Mecca or Medina for like 150 years after the time of Mmnd. The Islamic Scriptures were not written down until the late 8th century, I think that was the date that they discussed.⁉️

[@Hbmd3E]

1:00:00 And also bible is grounded in history , continuous coherent story line , land marks, travelling journal, land, family lineage > genealogies from start to Messiah, detailed instructions how to make tabernacle and temple. how to prepare offerings these are numbing to read ,. law. law how to judge, family, celebrations, worship, business , how to make war,. Sections to patriarchs, Judges, Kings, Priests, Prophets ( prophecies about future that are fulfilled. ) Story about Kingdom of God and priestly nation. Hidden story lines e.g concerning spiritual slavery. spiritual kingdom, / heaven, being played out in the natural> Egypt slavery, pesah lamb,. in multiple ways

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Which bible?

[@fannaffannaf]

Shoot, you guys are really into this

[@Jaishreeram9931]

Kuchh samajh nahi aa raha😅 koi plz short me batado Anyone can tell me in shortly what they want to say

[@ultravegito4339]

Kyu islam ek bdaa cult religion hai ye theme hai aur ye logg unpack kar rha hai

[@AJ-et3vf]

Great video. THank you

[@Iam1nsane]

Great.

[@MichaelStratton1993]

I’m going to play devils advocate and try to steel man the Muslim argument. Perhaps they wasn’t referring to Alexander, rather Cyrus the Great. In Daniel 8 Cyrus was the two horned Ram, horns representing the kingdom of the Medes, and Persia. Alexander was the one horned Goat, the horn being Alexander, the horn is broken and 4 horns grow in its place representing his empire being divided by his generals. Yet even if we accept that this is a reference to Cyrus, there are obvious conflation going on as Josephus was the one who recorded Alexander locking away Magog behind a wall. I have no idea where Josephus gets this idea

[@mcfarvo]

Tick tock time to rock

[@georgeetboom7719]

My boy back at it again

[@Berke-1999]

Esenlikler 👍

[@thewordistheonlytruth8784]

Can any atheist please explain to me how an atheist comes to belive in islam witch proof does he use. For a christian i can understand because you read the eyewitneses of jesus say he resurrected and you com to belive this is truth as proof. But islam i dont get it

[@daughtersofthekingdom6779]

Abduls just have to believe what muhammad/ had have decided period!👇they don't need eye witness unless it adultery 👇 It is not for a believing man or woman-when Allah and His Messenger decree a matter-to have any other choice in that matter.1 Indeed, whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone ˹far˺ astray.

[@daughtersofthekingdom6779]

Abduls just have to believe what muhammad/ lah have decided period!👇they don't need eye witness unless it adultery..they must not questions either 👇 It is not for a believing man or woman-when Allah and His Messenger decree a matter-to have any other choice in that matter.1 Indeed, whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone ˹far˺ astray.

[@city_of_coompton6832]

4 wives and no feminism. And the SJWs and feminists won't dare to criticize you. Pretty good deal for a modern man living in the matriarchal West..

[@Rafael-vk2xo]

Most atheists accept Islam. Christianity is a logical contradiction.

[@loicrodriguez2532]

@@Rafael-vk2xo⋅ What do you mean by "accept"?