Why It's So Difficult To Kill A Cute Survivor

[@KCgriim]

As a pig main I get many many friendly survivors and they always want to boop but sometimes I just want to play a normal game. I get it they probably haven’t came across a pig that day and when they do they want to boop, but when I don’t let them I end up feeling bad (why did I let the survivors in last game boop but not these guys) I end up coming across as a toxic pig who doesn’t know how to have fun. Just last night a survivor wanted to boop from the start and I didn’t let them I was going to at the end but the server crashed and when I went into their stream to say “gg the server crashed” before I could say anything they were already saying “wow a p100 pig that doesn’t know how to boop” so to any survivor reading this the next pig who doesn’t let you boop may not be doing it to be toxic they may just be tired of it and want a normal game.

[@ilovejupiterr]

exactly. as a fellow pig main, it can get so tiring for the survivors wanting to be friendly with me every game, sometimes i just wanna play normally

[@OldManShane]

"Would killing her be a betrayal of her trust?" Yes. You gave nodders, you accepted the terms and conditions. More relevant to the topic: for me, at least, when I see someone whose actions I interpret as a desire for human connection, my natural instinct is to connect; be friendly. The only time I ever see the other side as an obstacle to overcome, is when I'm dealing with a 4-person swf that are clearly running highly optimized meta builds. I think the difference between me and you, though, and I think this is interesting and relevant, is that I fully focus on the game. No outside music, no stray thoughts about anything other than what is happening in the moment. All in all, I agree with you on a few points, but I also disagree with you on other points. For instance, I believe that consistency is one of the most important things for people to cultivate. That doesn't mean that I think you are a bad person or that you have done something wrong, rather, I see and acknowledge that we are walking different paths. And that's okay. It's actually quite rare to find someone walking the same path as you, but all wanderers can share the warmth of a campfire, no matter how different their paths are.

[@pokeaust7800]

I feel like I haven’t had this situation for a long while mostly because I haven’t seen a friendly survivor at all in forever. I sort of see Survivors that stop mid-chase and think “ok, that was dumb, now you’re dead”, I never really hesitate. Maybe it’s because I’ve just gotten so jaded because of bully survivors that I’ve stopped caring what the other side thinks altogether, and I’ve sort of embodied that need to be a monster or a bad Killer, basically the opposite of how you view yourself. I’ll tunnel and bleed out because that’s just what I need to do now. I’ve been hit by so many Survivors that make it their mission to make the Killer miserable that I need to return the favor even if the Survivor team is completely unrelated.

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

Keep convincing yourself

[@pokeaust7800]

@@TheRealMycanthrope wut

[@dkres82]

The never ending cycle of DBD

[@Frozt1417]

The infinite cycle, Can’t blame you though

[@maximilian1588]

If youve ever been in the DBD discord and been in a vc SWF, youll know you never really have to take mercy on them. No matter what you do youre a toxic tunneller so you might as well just play your game however you want. theyre going to take the piss no matter what. if you let them win theyll tbag you at gates because youre a baby killer. you secure your win and youre a camping shitter anyway. ive been in situations where i played with a swf, we all died and i came out of it thinking 'wow that killer owned us' while my team mates scream in VC and throw insults at the killer for Nothing.

[@GarlicKiss]

For me I struggle less because I think I love the human connection I get from such moments of both sides being kind or goofy more than I love winning. Don't get me wrong I enjoy winning a match by getting most or all of the survivors or escaping if I'm playing a survivor. But little breaks from the usual matches where I just get to interact with the other people who have come to play this game just gives me this little extra joy that I can't quite get enough of. 😁

[@OldManShane]

Valid as heck. I really only play the game these days for the little human moments.

[@JasonLudeli]

Your videos are always so real to me. This is something I struggle with too. Sometimes I even resent the survivor because if I try to play the game normally I'll feel bad. They've tainted my potential victory.. but I also can't be mad because cute killer x survivor interactions are one of the things I love about this game. It isn't their fault that I was in the mood to play serious or I'm trying to practice a technique/killer and I only have time for 1 or 2 matches.

[@HV9MusicAndStuff]

Personally, i have been very heavily influenced by my 3k hours on Team Fortress 2 (and counting because i still play that game)... Over there it's almost guaranteed to turn 95% of the server friendly by acting cute, and after 3k hour my brain might have been rerouted into instinctively stopping the moment i see a cute puppy eyed survivor. This is, assuming they were fair with me prior to it and did not try to bully me only to give up and beg for mercy... Otherwise no mercy will be granted no matter what. When it's time to play savagely, we play savagely! But you're right... Regardless of what happens in game, it will NOT be an indicator of who you are in real life, no matter how much some specific players will try to twist it and make it look like it will. And at the end of the day... Dead By Daylight is a game like many other out there, so do whatever it is gets you to have fun... You will indeed be playing the game correctly at that point. Liked, tossed it in my favorites and also subscribed because, shame on me, i forgot to do so until now. Cheers!

[@e2b265]

Team Fortress 2 is my crown jewel for how competitive games should be, everyone is just having fun and few people are taking it seriously because even if you lose you know what you did well

[@hoonhur5681]

Honestly same, I've gotten killed in other games so often because i wanted to be friendly to players who are also friendly or messing around. Its still fun tho having those moments

[@HV9MusicAndStuff]

@@e2b265 I can 100% confirm this as someone who participated in various Highlander 9v9 competitive matches as Medic and Heavy. Most Comp players I've played with and against turn into savages in their matches, and still go into a casual match to spam the Conga around the map when it's all done. In the end, that's what it's all about, a good match and a good fun time. Unless you are playing MvM tours with mid/high tour players. ☠️

[@HV9MusicAndStuff]

@@hoonhur5681 it's a bit of a shame that it's way easier to be friendly as killer than as survivor, but at least we know we'll be out there making someone's day!

[@vibetowndemons]

I've gotten better at not letting cute survivors get to me. The reason I say this is because when I do, it snowballs every game after. Every survivor is trying to be cute and get an easy game from me, which can get annoying. So when a survivor does something stupid or something totally unexpectedly funny, I will let them go if they convince me. There is also a different reason why Im not friendly as often is because I'll just have survivors Dc on me and complain I should just play normally. Anyway, there is this thing I did that I thought was stupid and really cute of me, back when I first started playing, I thought the broken status effect was a bug. So every time I saw No Mither, I would always let that person go. There was once an entire lobby of No Mithers on Ormond, and we just hung out because I was not smart enough to check perks back then.

[@patriciaosmond4666]

P.S. I have only been playing since April, naturally began as a survivor but since I am old, at least much older than most I play with I am on late, pain keeps me up and the game helps get the mind off it So maybe I think late night Spicy side is just sweeter. ( Except that pipipoopoo dude, I had one game under his torture it was insane). One late night: I had one of the most emotional impactful games with a Myers in Strode. We survivors drop in all other survivors are gen rushing hopping up and down with excitement and I wondered where is our Spicy player at, (I have since learned don't go to basement.) so I see him at a distance up stairs in main looking out the window. So I went up there no one else seems to care but this Myers appeared to be in some deep thought just staring out like a kid with asthma/allergies who can't go play with the others kids so just stares out the window. I felt like naw let him kill me, Micheal needs to play there is a hook in the house. I went up to him next to the window and looked at him, he just turned, stared at me and I waved come with, he nodded no, so I dropped my full item and pointed at him, in a it's for you jester, nodded yes and he nodded and turned back to stare out the window. That sole interaction with that Micheal is why I began to play Myers on the Spicy side of DBD. I enjoy giving others players a chance to see that it may be a game but real people are behind the controller and have feelings. To say it's just a game, negates the fact that the reason people play PVP and don't just play sole players games is because there's is human interaction. If it was just a game would you play if it was just you and all others in game were bots? NO most don't bother with custom area except to practice, which means you need people not pixels to really enjoy the game. The Humanity is key. Love your videos, voice and animation of the twins. Perhaps we can go on a play date, or Christmas dinner, al meet up at Huntress house around the table, bring our gifts for our host and then walk the map as you give the survivors a tour around as we open all chests and take them back to the cabin for you, before doing gens, the prior to gate exit, we all meet up around the table and surround you and Victor in a pixel hug, then wait for your nod for us to leave as a goodbye. Anyways that would be a great time, again much love for you and your spicy side.

[@BasementDweller_]

I rarely spare a survivor. I think I only spare if I’m playing a killer lore wise I could see them sparring and I would only do it if their teammates were so horrible that I feel a bit of pity and let them get hatch or exit gate.

[@MATAX5]

Only survivors that deserve mercy are the ones who put the effort to support their team but their team isn’t putting the effort to make sure their time isn’t being wasted.

[@DarkenedMarks]

Some of the best moments playing killer are when you and the survivors collectively remember you're playing a game and you can just goof off for a moment

[@carlosbustamanteruiz]

Two days ago i encountered twins players: 1 yesterday and another one the day before. Is nice to see how is people letting twins see this days.

[@D3ATH2GL0RY]

Warning: I yap a lot. You have officially been warned. I have a similar problem. A Survivor uses Plot Twist to make me miss a swing or used Bardic Inspiration while I’m hooking someone and I just chuckle and throw the game willingly. However it feels nice at least in that regard because the other half of the time I get Survivors who will T-Bag and Flashlight click to get my attention so I waste time, then call me toxic in the end game chat if I leave them alone and go for the others after 3 Gens Pop. In those cases I either Tunnel because I *need* pressure in order to be able to get at least a 2K and get called Toxic and the R Slur, and if I don’t they Spam Locker, T-Bag, and then say ggez followed by some foul stuff in the endgame chat. Existence is pain, but I’m to invested in this game to just give up because no other game lets me moonwalk as Chucky, and in half a year my Dream License Springtrap. It’s like a Toxic Relationship that I willingly indulge in because the I have nothing better to do. TvT

[@ahbraveconscript997]

Entity can feed on all sorts of emotions. Who knows maybe it can feed off these friendly “truces” as well?

[@TheCenobyte]

I play for fun, first and foremost. Yes, I'm going to try to win but not at all costs. If survivors start acting goofy in front of me, then they are more likely to have an easier time of it. And when I'm playing as survivor, I love to see a killer with some personality. In both cases it shows that you are playing against a person, not just a Blight or a Sable or whatever. Behaviour like that humanises them and I am more likely to act as I would if they were in the room with me, i.e. not like a dick. But maybe that's just me. Different people have different definitions of fun. It's entirely subjective. As a side note, if a survivor has stood out from the others, looped well and made it hard for me to down them, then 9 times out of 10, I will give them the hatch as a small mark of respect for how well they played. I think small gestures like this are important as it reminds you that you are playing against people which is all too easily forgotten by far too many players. Great video as always!

[@OldManShane]

I play like this as well. In the end, I'm experience-driven, not results-driven. Cute survivors I always let go, but also, if I'm going against a bunch of survivors who want a serious game, I'll oblige them; and the most impressive of them (from my limited perspective) is spared. I'm a big believer in "game respects game". And heck, as a survivor, I run goofy meme-y perks, with a silly name. Winning's okay, but I'd much rather clown around, give people a break from the salt and strife.

[@Woof_ya_boy]

I love this. I miss the empathy of DBD from a few years ago. It’s my fav moment as a survivor main to play around with a kind killer. 90% of my time as a killer is to have fun with survivors.

[@d_shadow.]

For the most part, the people who play killers are nicer than the average survivor. We often try to make sure that the game is still fun for the other players while also trying to win, we take pity on people who got fucked by solo-queue, and we've all been there. We got so far in a match, we're about to die, and we're the last one alive, and we hope that we can even just crawl out of the trial, and that runs through the mind of killer players when they see it happen. The "cute" survivor plays into that sympathy for the silly lil guy, because it's just a game and killers realize that, so it makes us want to let the harmless creature go.

[@dkres82]

I think it’s about the same honestly if you go percentage wise honestly there’s just more survivors in a match so you’re more likely to run into mean survivors.

[@d_shadow.]

Ive never seen a survior let themselves get killed at the end because they have sympathy for the killer. So, that percentage must be around 1000 mean survivors to 1 nice survivor

[@dkres82]

@@d_shadow. I’ve done it numerous times. A nurse tunneled me on Lery’s for 5 gens got 0 hooks I let her kill my, a Trapper that did the same. I don’t do it everytime really depends on how my matches are going. Baby killers need to see we aren’t all bullies I try when I can to break the toxic cycle.

[@d_shadow.]

You are the one in a thousand, then.

[@sleeplessnarcolept6541]

Except for Chess Merchant/Singularity, we do not claim them.

[@dkres82]

The moral value thing is interesting, because I think sometimes it is being a bad person. My best example of this is a Wraith that 4 man slugs then just ring his bell over everyone instead of hooking and ending the game. The only reason that person is doing that is to make the other side feel miserable, I’d say the same for teabagging at the gates outside of being tunneled whole match and getting out at that point you’re kind of just paying it back. Same as if Wraith were to do that to a bully squad, but instead they do it to the random SoloQ that’s doing archives and goofing off.

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

I've seen this argument a few times, and I do think you're right. It's just difficult for me to know exactly where to draw the line at what behavior is "bad" and what is "good" when context and intent matters so much

[@dkres82]

@yeah some Wraiths could just find the meme funny maybe one day I’ll be there lol. I know I’ve had mega toxic killers doing literally everything you could think of but I found it hilarious. Other times it’s miserable idk what makes the difference for me in any given match though.

[@Isaberry1602]

I'm a Vecna main (one of first p100) and plenty of times people did tell me how insanely hard it is to do his achievement, the one to escape with a hand or an eye. I used to have a habbit of hooking everyone twice and then killing only those who i can mori - so usually exactly those with hand or eye. Now mori is implemented for last one but the thing is... because so many times people were telling me how much hope they had to escape with eye or hand, i began to always wait and see if they shake their head saying "no" while on the ground if they got the artifact. And if they do it (shake head left and right) i let them live. Heh

[@Pyro2879-s7p]

I'm actually a little sad with modern gaming nowadays, I've played TF2 since I was basically a kid and I loved when the game would stop for a little while while everyone danced around, taunted, had a fun time, and in newer games like DBD and Overwatch where theres an expected competitive focus, doing anything out of the competitive ordinary is frowned upon, people yell at you for throwing, make fun of your loadouts or your strategies and it makes me sad that we cant be competitive but also leave room for the silly and the goofy. I love being friendly to survivors, my favourite is doing pretend chases where I get as close as possible and shake my camera but never swing, being like "oooooh im gonna getcha!", I smack gens to pretend im repairing it with them, i love coordinating slug races and carrying downed survivors to the hatch, personally "ruining" my score at the end of the game, to uplift others experience Then i go and play Overwatch, only meta hero picks, no mercy for enemy heroes being cute, I play any CoD Multiplayer with and active player base, no mercy, meta guns, loadouts built to frag out, but I play TF2, DBD, Battlefield, any fighting game, any Soulsborne game, sometimes they get competitive, but the playerbase has always left some room for the funny, thats the magic of these older games, we can be as competitive as we want, but at the end of the day, we all know we are human, and most of the time, we give each other grace and make each other laugh, even for just a moment

[@zipzapper0]

Battlefield? Lunge Mine jousting in 5 is like a hard drug. Once you get someone on the other team doing it, it gets ridiculous

[@maximilian1588]

I dont know how to tell you this but ill try to say it gently, different games have different competitive environments.

[@Derrad333]

The first 3 months of overwatch were the best, playing winston and getting behind enemy lines to either murder, befriend or troll widowmakers was so fun, body blocking them while they are scoped in and spaming voice lines, tho it is the same mindset I brought over from tf2

[@magical571]

I love tf2's conga lines and friendly heavies. But even there some people join in and others just shoot lol, and in some cases the unspoken "truce" turns toxic itself in maps like hightower (i pitty any soul trying to finish that contract) And camping is just as common if not more in tf2, come, we've all been in the smaller attack team struggling to put a single foot out because several soldiers and three pocketed demos are out-sticking your attempts to even show your face, someone may try an attempt with a short circuit, but soon enough the team is just empty, everyone dcs. Don't get me wrong, i generally avree with your point, i love the goofiness in tf2, and there's more space and means for it in tf2 than in dbd for sure, but it's still not thiss friendly safe heaven were you won't get eaten alive by the 8k hour strange killstreak sniper and the soldier yapping all day about c tapping.

[@lordedrusrex6898]

STOP HUMANIZING THE GAMING EXPERIENCE. I PLAY GAMES TO ESCAPE MY EMOTIONS, NOT CONNECT WITH THEM. But seriously, I'm always grateful for these videos and your insights which help me take a closer look at my own experiences. Thank you.

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

gosh I got nervous at first that you were mad at me I'm ngl lol

[@lordedrusrex6898]

@@twinsmainsageDBD Sorry to get you nervous xD Gotta have some false harshness to make the reality more impactful, I figure.

[@ResPSO]

I feel the same but for other reasons. I've experienced it all with this game; I've been in games where survivors absolutely destory me but volunteer to let me sacrifice them all in the endgame, I've played survivor and have had killers just let me go, and every time that happens it just feels really nice. As frustrating as dbd can be, when people go out of their way for you to their detriment, it just wipes away all the nonsense that happens in the game. And I like paying that forward sometimes.

[@RickOConnell327]

Wonderful video! Allow me to provide my own perspective as a killer main (80%, trying to learn survivor but not good) I am not merciful, generally speaking. I don't play for the 3k and then give hatch, I play for the 4k. I don't slug because you get more points for hooking. + I find slugging boring, just watching people crawl around until they bleed out. It's not fun for me. But aside from slugging, anything's on the table. I recently had a singularity game where a Sable and Claudette were the two clear weak links in the team. They were obviously new and didn't have much experience with DBD, (every time they got unhooked, they stayed there healing instead of running to safety) Thanks to this, I was able to essentially double tunnel them out of the game super quickly, and then the other two didn't have a chance despite obviously being more experienced. I killed 'em all, and I think of that as a good match. I feel no cognitive dissonance, for this reason: I'm the killer. When I boot up DBD and click "play as killer", I am making a conscious choice to play as the bad guy. The slasher, the serial killer, the horror movie monster in all its various forms. To me, it would feel like bad sportsmanship if I was merciful. That's not my job. In order to give the survivors a good match (and hopefully a good scare, i love spooking people) then I need to play to win. This is a survival horror game where somebody has to play as the monster. It's an unspoken contract that the survivors have to try to escape, and I have to try to kill them. My favorite matches are when both sides REALLY TRY, are equally matched in skill, and at the end, win or lose, you sit back and go "man. What a match!" I would be breaking the unspoken contract by showing mercy, essentially. I tunnel people out not because I'm a grouchy old bastard who hates other people's fun, but because playing efficiently and, well, winning, are fun for me. I don't run generator regression perks because I'm a sweatlord, I run them because seeing that "damage generator" score event pop up after a hook, and knowing that the most progressed generator just got hit with an enormous 20% regression from across the map...That makes my monkey neurons go zap. I love it. I love efficient builds, getting tons of hooks, and ending the game with a 3 or 4k. I always go for 4, but if the final one gets hatch, so be it. That's also why I don't slug for the 4k. that robs the survivor of the 'final race' which can be so invigorating for both sides. I play hard because I like winning, but also because i like giving the survivors a tense, exciting match where they need to be on their A game to beat me. I want survivors to lock in, essentially. Thanks for reading this long ass comment

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

Thank you for writing this long ass comment haha

[@RickOConnell327]

@twinsmainsageDBD to be clear, I don't think my way of playing is the "right" way, just explaining my own thought processes as to why I play the way I do. All play styles are valid. I find this topic and game psychology in general super fascinating!

[@alexandervelez9507]

definitely relate to all of this. as a xeno main i have to remind myself what ash said in the original film “the perfect organism… unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality” then i don’t feel bad for killing them because i’m roleplaying a character. it isn’t actually me. i’ll still show mercy to the final survivor if they drop their item though.

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

but on the other hand: xeno is so fricking cute ;-;

[@NelsonMcCulloch]

Wonderful video Sage. I’ve been through quite the journey myself going from playing entirely solo, to joining a community, from playing killer all the time to more evenly playing both sides. I am glad I found what I enjoy out of the game. And I’m glad that I found that with the help of this community.

[@biloliaa]

This video feels like it was made by and actual killer in-universe dealing with their confusion over their own kindness and trying to turn other killers to their benevolent worldview

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

I will take that as a compliment! thank you!

[@somedudeinabox]

I once spared a taurie while playing ghosty. Two other people dc’d, one was already dead, and she just stood around waiting for me to finish it. Instead, I spared her, worked with her to finish off the remaining bots, did an invocation with her, and helped her find hatch. Sparing players can be quite fun at times.

[@Philscooper]

Im a survivor main, so it hurts, i understand the pain, might be their only chance to escape in a possibly LOONG time. Especially when its most likely a soloq survivor. I Just cant put them through it when i have experinced far worse from bleedout playstyle killers

[@sebben13]

This happens way too oftens to me, often with all the survivors. I end up just hiding and letting them repair and escape because I don't have the heart to stop them. I'm a horrible killer main 😂

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

you're not horrible! as long as you're playing in the way you enjoy!!

[@killerstreak1994]

I'm surprised how long it's taken me to find your channel naturally considering how much content I watch. Loving all the videos so far. Subbed

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

really appreciate your support! It's been so cool seeing how many people have been finding my channel lately, I'm just happy I'm able to make something that other people enjoy :)

[@Oofioli]

As a pig main this hurts especially bad. I'll go back to back matches where the entire team boops the snoot and I just gotta lose

[@gr4vesthez0mb1e]

im someone that really enjoys the hide n' seek/chasing part of the game, especially on the killer side. i sneak up on the survivors, they see me, they run, i chase after them. friendly survivors for me almost sorta "stun lock" my brain. i want to chase after them, but they aren't running away from me, even when i gesture to them to start running. so for me it sorta just leads to me thinking "well shit, i want to down you but this is barely even a chase". i dont hate friendly survivors, not in the slightest. it's just that it makes the match a bit too easy for me and kinda lessens the fun for me by a lot. that's why during custom matches with the people in your discord server i'll typically have conditions at some point during the match, for example i'll usually say "first one to find hatch can go, but if i find it you're dead", this gives me a sort of compromise, the survivor im friendly towards gets to escape if they find the hatch before me, and i still get the thrill and fun of hunting the survivor down and chasing them.

[@xHongxKongxHK]

I used to really care a lot about what people thought of me when I played DBD. Even so much as recently, I’ve been trying to learn Pyramid Head but haven’t had the best few games, especially against streamers. I’ve had a fair share of insults thrown my way but instead of letting it get me down, I’ve tried doing things like taking breaks, playing other killers and modes and just not letting other people’s perspective get the best of me. At the end of the day, DBD is meant to be fun and I’ll keep on trying to have fun as best as I can, my way

[@custommediacreations]

I have no doubt that you will pick up Pyramid Head, You got this man. Also, never let that stuff get you down, they're just words. I'm a Pyramid Head main and believe me, he was tricky to learn at first... those range attacks are no joke XD. You'll get the hang of it though, Prediction shots are your best friend in a chase. I'm more of a friendly Pyramid Head these days XD, but can play serious if up against a Bully squad.

[@BigVingus]

I recall having read a comment on your last video, where we had been interviewed about our personal rulebooks. And I recall that comment saying something alike " these people must be the ones that try to ask for a time out when they are about to be caught playing tag on the playground" if that was the case, none of us more goofy players would stick around DBD. It is as you said - we can all play the way we want but cant expect the other side to play by our rules. Almost every match, mid-chase, I plot twist around a corner to make the killer whiff. It has saved me like 3 times total, making the killer stop and stare at me, even sparing me. And I recall this one game I had against a wesker. I was his first chase, i made him whiff his virulent boung by plot twisting. he slooooowly turned around and stared at me, then flicke dhis mouse all over as response before picking me up. After i got unhooked he tunneled me out ( at 5 gens btw ), which is something i personally frown upon. Yet, i was having the time of my life, and had great joy this match, as I made him whiff the other two times by plot twisting again, and he reacted to it again. He did not play by my personal rulebook (personal, as in rules I set for, ya know, MYSELF.) and did something I actively judge in silence over. But my only goal in playing like this, is to see a it of personality, have a bit of a funni reaction. I rarely get the funni reaction as too many gamers are competitive, but when I get one it brings me the greatest joy. Another time while playing xenomorph for a daily, I came across a bully trio, and a taurie who happened to have brought flashbangs as well. With them bullying me I was ready to just slay them all, maybe spare the taurie (i downed her a couple of times after saving david over and over with flashbangs), in the end only her and one of the kates were left. The Kate, i wanted to see dead for the bullying. The taurie ws in basement, downed. I finally got Kate, and she wiggled no on the ground. Which, by my personal ruleset, would USUALLY make me spare her. but this time it wasnt enough. But when i picked her up she began "moan-teching" me which made me stop, drop her, slooowly look at her and then nod. I proceeded to carry her to the taurie so she could pick her up before bleeding out. what this is meant to say is - we all have personal rulesets yes, but the thing about them being personal means we are free to change our minds on some things. ignore a rule from time to time,or add a new one temporarily. Only if we expect the other side to follow suit is it being hypocritical.

[@rosieeeeeeeeeeeee]

As a relatively new killer (about 10 hours on legion) who’s been playing survivor for most of my playtime and often brings stuff like bardic or the pebble just to have fun with the killer, this is a real struggle for me like i love you guys and i vibe with you sm but I have 2 iri buttons left and i just played against another friendly squad and i want to actually practice and improve today :c and i could still never bring myself to tunnel (even though it’s probably the best tactic for playing legion)

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

it's definitely difficult when you get multiple cute survivors in a row and you have to be like hhhh should I push through the pain and force them to play normally??

[@fogdragon23]

I don't have a strict rulebook outside of "have fun" but I get weak about item trades on exit gates. "You're trading an item for your life? . . .okay" lol

[@Doktor_Youth]

Idk if I’m unlucky but the last time I’ve seen friendly survivors, cold wind farms was dark and decrepit

[@timymax]

I typically don't really care how the survivors feel when I play but I do try to abide myself with good sportsmanship. I try my best to win but if they want to friendly then I'll reciprocate in kind. I do enjoy being friendly with survivors but the only thing that annoys me is that 60% of the time they want to be friendly is only when I'm winning and and they're on death hook and don't want to die

[@jessejones3545]

I'm a 5k hour Huntress main. I must admit that I'm weak to survivors acting goofy now when I never used to be. I've been the sweaty killer(never camp/tunnel, I just don't think it's fun) so much that I'd rather have fun and communicate personality with someone who wants to play silly than just add another W to my dragon's hoard of wins.

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

slowly becoming the canon huntress

[@unofficialmeme5972]

No matter the survivor, I'll think back to N-Trance's iconic sentence back in Crash Bandicoot. "DESTROY ALL BANDICOOTS!"

[@francescacastronovo647]

Last night I had an Oni match against a bully squad that kept trolling me in all sorts of ways. When I downed the last survivor and I closed the hatch I just looked at them and...let them wiggle free, but then I did something that I absolutely regret: I downed and moried them in front of the gate while they were giving me their item. I know they deserved it, but wouldn't have been better if I teached them what kindness is? Maybe they would've stopped trolling, or at least I would've made their day. For some reason, I still feel regret. That last kill wasn't satisfying at all.

[@Direwreck]

This is me fr 💀💀💀 glad I’m not alone, great video haha

[@SUPERGREGGJR]

Just wait till thw survivors are chasing you and you running for your life. You may be faster but there are more of them than you so they start slowly blocking off routes until you are trapped in a corner and you can do nothing but cry in fear until you remember you are playing Sadako and teleport somewhere else

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

bro me and 3 fengs chased a legion into the corner of the map yesterday, she was terrified

[@SUPERGREGGJR]

@@twinsmainsageDBD 3 Fengs????? That sounds terrifying

[@ataru4646]

7k hours in. I have always been like this even though i am generally sweaty. Its a thing i do in most games. When i used to play battle royales. When the opponent would surrender, I had to protect them. I guess for me its just fun to play the game in the way its not even meant to be played sometimes. Its a change of pace and wakes me up like you said. It definitely happens more in dbd. Its one of my favorite parts of dbd in fact. Nothing wrong with wanting to be friendly to some cuties

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

I can't tell you the amount of times I've had to switch to the survivor side because someone's teammates were being completely incompetent and I had to stand in front of a hook so they'd get AFC and unhook themselves because otherwise no one else would lol

[@ataru4646]

@twinsmainsageDBD that's just recruiting a survivor to be your scout in the end lmao. I do that cause I know the feeling as someone who switched to a killer main due to solo teammates.

[@artors]

You know... it is quite... strange... for me at least. I am type of person that doesn't really feel much of guilt or remorse. Never really was. Which I guess lead to me being a killer main. Everything that happens in DBD trials... or any other game. Is up to me. For me a cute survivor is nothing more, but an target. Some of my friends or even people I've played with in post game chat called me merciless, heartless or even pure monster. Not in joking manner, really. One time I got a person that DM me for next hour calling me out slurs or even death threats (I am not joking) and much more for some reason, just because I wasn't friendly to steaghull or however you type it (screaming steve). But then again its up to me, isn't it? Not anyone else. Though... I never caught myself tunneling or being overall toxic. Not intentionally, at least, if anything pure accident of running into same survivor. But, on the other hand I have matches with intention of being friendly, which only then leads to such events. Sometimes my friends even call me Terminator if I simply don't care about friendly survivors. One time I was streaming DBD on discord, and one of my friends yelled at me for not sparing a survivor in bunny outfit while they gave me their item. We did laugh about it though... heh. But I do wonder how that works? I mean... don't get me wrong I know that cute survivors are... well cute and all. But I never got it. Really. Is it more of a personality trait? Or something else? Or I am just heartless monster lol. Though like I said. If you ran into me in trial. Good Luck, you'll need it if I won't be friendly. But Still over all good luck to all. Take care Gamers.

[@charliestrange8192]

I don't think you are monster. You play the way, you want. In past I was sparing more survivors than now. And I'm sparing less and less of survivors every time I play DBD. Maybe I'm slowly becoming someone like you. The Terminator. And you are right, even I don't feel quilt or remorse when I kill. It's even easier to kill because friendly non-bully survivors became quite rare. At least for me. Have a nice day/night, man.

[@patriciaosmond4666]

I love the real moments in game, those human non pixel ones are the best. I play both sides but as survivor I don't play for escape it's about how much can I do for the team or learn and pull off in chase, if I get away just once in chase, I won, get my challenge in game, I won. Although those are cool moments, the best are with the other players being chill, especially the Spicy side ones. I had the best experience with a Plague this week in Yamaoka, I was last left and on way to the gate I saw, "the little guy" my favorite part of those maps that make me happy wuen I see him, I was resigned to die since I was at gate and knew she had me as I saw her closing in, so I just waved and took her to see Tanuki Statue pointed and she puffed him and I got to pet the raccoon doggo, she vomited on him and he went to ash. It was a great moment, love those shared human times. We play the game to escape the stress of real life but sometimes it's the moments in game that show real life strangers behind pixels are the real reason many play PVP, the interaction with actual other people. Those sweet moments, I love, on both sides, I play killer to goof around and chase, I will take people out if they are rude, sometimes let everyone go expect that one person because although it's a game, it's real people and their real choices acted out through pixels. I know I turned off my messages after getting death threats and insane messages after playing the Spicy side so I understand, when I send a message to Thank the killer for that moment or hatch and have to friend request. Their first thought is likely they are getting a rude response, but never from me, if I do get upset about. A4k slug fest or tunneling, I go next because I understand it's a strategy, but if there is a special moment I always send a Thank you. So to all the kind souls behind our Spicy murderers who interact in sweet moments, those moments are the real boss win and you killed it. I don't expect the escape but I do appreciate the real moments of humanity Love to you all.

[@grumpierchain5457]

My weakness like damn i can't

[@stevenobrien7686]

I’d say going out of your way to make others miserable, rather than just playing the game normally would have some moral value. But that’s just me.

[@AAAAAA-qs1bv]

Playing the way you like ✅ Playing in a way specifically to make others unhappy ❌

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

This is a valid argument, just one that's difficult for me to put into words. I'd rather encourage people to play in the way they like with the assumption that my viewers don't want to make people miserable rather than assume the worst.

[@stevenobrien7686]

@ That’s fair for sure. Unfortunately there’s lots of people in the dbd community that interpret “play how you want” as “play like an asshole, and if anybody has the gall to not say gg to you afterwards, they’re being entitled and you have the right to talk down to them about it”. I’m not saying this is you, or anybody in your community but there are a lot of players in dbd that think this way.

[@DeadnotAlive]

I only let Sables go because they always run up to me like they wanna be best friends and I’m over here with a slug build for maximum annoyance like “I can’t kill the sable😭” but I see Feng and I’m like “no mercy for this scum”

[@snezhnayanpenguin4671]

I would lean farther into the cognitive dissonance argument than you have by comparing the player with the avatar they use (mainly killer). The fact is you play a killer in a video game whose actions (hopefully) you don’t condone or would actually do. The moment you enter the game as a killer, there is already a disconnect. So when you are playing on autopilot, you just accept this fact and move on. As you said, you don’t see survivors as humans but video games challenges to overcome. In those moments, you don’t have a dissonance because what you want (overcoming challenges) and what the killer wants (killing) are the same. However, when a survivor brakes their role, you stop. That is the moment your autopilot is off because something unexpected happened that requires your full attention. It is also then that the dissonance occurs because what you want (sparing the survivor) and what the killer wants (killing) are now different. So you take a few moments to make a decision. People that have completely disassociated with the game do not have that problem, because even if you beg them, they don’t care because it’s a game (not a wrong opinion). Those people that don’t hesitate a single second because their objective is always set towards the goal so they don’t deviate from the killers mentality. Then you have those who will for example bring you to the hatch and then close it before you. Those people didn’t detached themselves from the game, they embraced the role they were playing with the full knowledge that in the end, no one was harmed. Those people also don’t have that dissonance. Only those who are incapable of dissociating from the game completely have that dissonance.

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

this was very well written! thank you so much for sharing, it gave me a lot to think about with the people that do have a tendency to give survivors hope then take it away from them (closing hatch in front of them or pretending to be friendly)

[@nuggetbox9245]

This something that i couldn't relate to, unfortunately but i weak to heroic survivors that puts others above themselves.

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

that means you do sometimes spare survivors! just a different kind!

[@Beessokoo1coo1]

Also when I play a killer I'm just there just to have fun just to remind myself of that even if i come across a cute survivor then no problem just be friends

[@dvsandoval3936]

Na fam im the same way. Like "OH HE SLOW BLINKED AT ME. YOU CAN LIVE." 😅

[@TheHammockProduction]

i cant kill a friendly and i think for me that's from so much tf2 as a pootis. the exception being if i went into the trial with a rancor/devour dredge build because i need to have a lil snack.

[@RikuBielfelt]

I get you as a killer that doesn't kill, i see how everyone is either a noob or intermediate or seasoned, either way i love both sides no matter what side i play as, i always try to look past the pixels on my screen to see the person behind them 😊 for context, when i first started playing as killer i was unhappy to try to kill all survivors, if i succeeded i got hate mail, if i lost all 4 i got hate mail. This made me think deeply, how do i personally have the most fun? My personal conclusion is i have fun when i switch teams after most or all players reach second hook 😊 i always have fun and get to see players true personality that way and to my surprise, other players respect that ❤❤❤ in short, the thing i value most in the Entities realm is the friends we make along the way 😊

[@catyeee]

Lmao wait... I showed that vulture 3:00 to survivors one round as killer. I felt like a puppy showing them something I caught XD

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

haha I love looking at creatures on the maps - like the beholder on vecna's map or the bugs on toba landing

[@hvostgallika]

I couldn't agree more with literally every single word here 🍷

[@Its_SaberHG]

I love to have friendly games once in a while. It's a fun time Earlier today I was playing bubba and absolutely crushed this one team. Two players were in a swf and by some odds we go matched against each other the next match So I brought the same map offering and we just goofed off

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

Btw Sage, Cait Sith Plays just uploaded a video about her first impressions as a new DBD player and I think you would enjoy it

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

i searched cait sith plays but I couldnt find a channel :(

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

​@@twinsmainsageDBD ah, yeah, it can be hard to get a result for tiny channels (

[@km077]

If they can rizz me, they can have the hatch/gate. After becoming homies with a certain survivor/s, I stay that way for them. If I had a bad game/streak, I won't give out my kiIIs easily though.

[@JordanYThompson]

Me personally I really hate going against these types of survivors. Like I just wanna play this cat and mouse game called dead by daylight and try to win some games. But it’s so difficult when the survivors just aren’t playing the game how it’s meant to be played. And I feel like the bad guy when I wanna go next so I attack people and they just be sitting there not playing the game, they just be teabaggin/emoting. But that’s just my take on this, I genuinely hate going against this.

[@The_Real_SmolOrTem]

as a nemesis player who goes to jill, or any S.T.A.R.S Members No HOWEVER THERE WAS ONE TIME A JILL WOULDNT START CHASE SO I COULDNT GET GAME AFOOT ACTIVATED SO I HAD TO RANCOR MORI SOMEONE ELSE

[@SeeNogDBDYT]

Hmm... Have you tried adding milk to the tea? 😂❤

[@randomanimals3879]

Great song choice at the beginning! I recognized the artist but I can't remember the song itself lol

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

the song is "Love Like Ghosts" by Lord Huron :D

[@randomanimals3879]

​@@twinsmainsageDBD Thank you! It's definitely going to be my repeat song for a bit!

[@maximilian1588]

my approach is this: This isnt D&D. Killers are not Game Masters who are responsible for the fun of the 4 survivors. The survivors fun ends where my fun begins and that is OK.

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

For me personally when playing killer, survivors have to be PRETTY GODDAMN CUTE for it to affect me in a way that doesn't make me want to kill them MORE. Their chances of survival are honestly higher if they make a sincere effort to play the match but just suck, because I'm likely to take pity on them (and be bored). tl;dr: survivors who try but suck might get to live, survivors who try and charm an escape out of me are likely to receive the opposite, due to my utter contempt for such behaviour.

[@twinsmainsageDBD]

I love that you added a tl;dr for a short comment lol also thank you it's always good to see you mycanthrope

[@chendzeeali6545]

Artist and Killer main. I love playing killer but I dislike killing survivors "Mostly" Consoles Players and SWF groups I have a easier time with since there is no endgame chat or I have to focus more to win. Still though, more often than not, I go for two hooks each, then let them leave. If someone DCs or worse lol a survivor tries to engage me. I melt and just goof around with them until they leave.

[@Beessokoo1coo1]

Why do you think I feel when I play undertale it's just so much undertale vibe between that or you're guardians on your shoulders tell you what to do 😇😈

[@justaguy2182]

Being a Ghostface main, I get friendlies a lot, and honestly i'm kind of sick of it. Yes, I wore the funny scary movie mask, but that doesn't mean i'm not going to do my job and try to send you up to spider mommy. I'm not going to teabag with you just because you don't feel like participating in the game you signed up for.

[@CitrusSquid]

This is the first time i've heard someone refer to the entity as a "spider mommy" and im not sure how i feel about it

[@wildapsonad8842]

SABLES ARE HUMANS TOO ☝️☝️☝️