Why J-Pop Is Defeated By K-Pop In The World? | The Japan Report #10

[@Meshida]

Please write your comment and if you want to know more about the Japanese idol industry, watch this video too!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn7Pl2ucr56We8U

[@makisekurisu4674]

Hey Meshida, I heard from my friends and uncles living in Japan that Japanese are racist against Indians but not racist against us Bangladeshis for some reason. Can you confirm it.

[@woljay9362]

@@makisekurisu4674 your friends uncle was lying like how you guys do. Japanese will see/smell Bangladeshi as Indians

[@Meshida]

@@woljay9362 yes!hahaha😂😂😂

[@Meshida]

@@makisekurisu4674 Don't worry, all foreigners are gaijin!hahaha😁

[@woljay9362]

@@Meshidaall foreigners are stinky too 😂🤣

[@LoveYamachan]

Early 2000s Jpop was booming, then they restricted all online media due to piracy... sure it's understandable BUT they did not provide options for foreign fans~ I remember someone posting how to buy an album from the company's Japanese website... no access to variety shows either that the idols go on to.... even the PVs are only accessible by buying DVD or 1 min versions posted on YT (if they post at all)~ If Jpop did not cocoon themsleves they would've had the same global chance as Kpop~

[@blablup1214]

It is the same with anime. For a long time it was very hard getting access to anime in a legal way....they are just not sold over here....

[@PilipBwoy]

I remember buying my first jpop album in the early 2000s and it cost around 35 bucks while I can buy 3 kpop cds for the same price

[@llsuperproxyll]

😅😅😊😊😊😊

[@fckthemedia1649]

2000s and onwards jpop is 💩💩 1980s jpop = 👑 1990s jpop =🤩

[@mana_beast_beats1114]

Exactly! There was so much potential in the Middle 2000s for Japanese Bands to sell their albums in the Western Market. Dir en grey, Gackt, The Gazette, Mucc and many others tried to sell their albums and concert DVDs in Western Shops. Hot Topic tried to get on board with the Japanese Rock / Visual Kei explosion happening in the USA. It was so much easier and cheaper to buy a Dir en grey CD in Hot Topic for $14, rather than to buy an import directly from Japan for $40. I also remember Hot Topic sold the "Shoxx" and "Cure" VK fasion magazines, as well as an English Printed magazine for VK & J-Rock fans, called "Purple Sky" -- this magazine was started by Brian "Boo" Stewart, someone who was well known for starting the website called "Centigrade-J" where they shared their English translations of Dir en grey's songs. 2006 to 2011 was the peak / apex of the Japanese Rock fandom in the USA. But because of not enough promotion, the boom died down... K-Pop moved in to fill the void, but for me, it is not the same! Metal & Rock is better than Pop! Where are the Korean Metal Bands? Does Korea have anything similar to Visual Kei? Where is the theatrics? Where is the edginess? There is nothing edgy or fun about a bunch of cute looking wanna-be Nsync type of bands.... that is what K-Pop sounds like to me. Boring "Backstreet Boy" type of music. I want the loud and angry music like Dir en grey and The Gazette! I want the pretty "Classical Inspired" music like Gackt and Malice Mizer! Not boring "Pop Music!" If I want "Pop" I will just listen to Utada Hikaru or Ayumi Hamasaki.... but I would prefer something more similar to a Japanese Nine Inch Nails or a Japanese Marilyn Manson. Pop Music just isn't edgy and angry enough! Boring! Like "Country Music" or "Christian Rock" lol.... Boring, boring, boring!

[@ashburnian]

Defeat? That's not a word I'd use for music or entertainment. Nobody in Korea would think Kpop has defeated Jpop. We Koreans are surprised and thankful that Kpop became so popular globally. Defeating Jpop or other countries music was never been an agenda for the Kpop industry. Kpop exists to entertain people and make money from it. So I beg you to stop seeing things from a war/competition/conquering perspective.

[@user-qm7jw]

Because Japanese music industry doesn't give a shit about overseas. Koreans aim to sell overseas, while Japanese aim to sell domestically. Japan's music market is the second largest in the world after the U.S., so Japanese artists do not need to go out of their way to market their products overseas.

[@Meshida]

Japanese music industry doesn't give a shit about overseas!!!hahaha

[@HannieRie]

Japanese music aside from anime should also be known outside but the problem is some of entertainment companies doesn't want to share the music. There are some music that you cannot access because it's restricted. I kinda feel bad that the past conflict cannot be forgotten easily. Both countries for me had a good music taste and i hope that they can work collaborately but i don't think it will happen..

[@ddwkc]

Yeah there was a timing that Jpop could have been more popular, but Japanese companies cuck blocked any way to share the music. It was really hard for a while during 2000s to really get into Jpop. I was getting into Morning Musume, but around early 2000s was noticeably hard to get any content related to them.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

so much region blocking with them..

[@aoeu256]

But isn't anime music Japanese music? If Korea had more ppl they would also have anime and some of their good songs would then become anime music O_o...

[@bryansencaki8974]

I don't mind being a creepy viewer as long as I can watch Meshida-san being roasted by Ken-san's robotic English :D

[@Meshida]

Oh!!! your comment made my day. Don't worry in Japan, I and Ken san are called creepy Japanese.hahaha We need international creepy friend!!

[@ryuukakhadijah7766]

@@Meshida Wanna add me in the list? 😂

[@lubabkhubab_1366]

Here is one more creep you found on the global market meshida san.

[@denilsonzaslavski1989]

I think that anime has helped a lot in the raising of Jpop all over the world, not recognized enough as kpop, but at least it's a big step forward 🤟

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@heavenlysadist]

Yup, famous or not, japanese people stay original and do their own way. I don't care about kpop anymore, I only listen songs and done, I forgot about them. That's how I do it when I used to be carat fan of Seventeen, and disappeared after

[@thanosal-titan]

Actually, Anime was and still is the main way Japanese musics spread around the world. If not because of anime, people in Brazil or Indonesia or France would not know about Asian Kungfu Generation, Aimer or King Gnu.

[@energeticstunts993]

@@heavenlysadist exactly. Kpop are getting into the global market, so their song don't sound too different from Western pop. Jpop still sounds different

[@narudayo5053]

@@thanosal-titan Yep! Also the fact that japanese music artist are always invited each years to do a concert during con for a while, while for kpop concert outside of korea only begin around 2012 and were very few

[@ZOMUESA]

For me its quite simple, availability and promotion. Years ago Japanese companies are very strict in copyright and alot of places where ppl uploaded music or MV were taken down. But for kpop they literally take advantage of such platform in promoting them. Nowadays, each idol group even has their own channel to promote their contents!

[@Meshida]

Yes!

[@johnnybaum7957]

It wouldn't have mattered since Japan only focused on their domestic market it never got to evolve and stayed stagnant just like Japan's economy. The quality of music, singing, performance etc is just lacking and still stuck in the 90's and early 2000's. If you don't change and evolve you will be left behind and die, that is what happened to JPOP. So it was basically inevitable no matter what they did.

[@MaxBraver555]

I think it's because of 1 important thing, is marketing target demographics, and that is international, even though they can't be understood, there's subtitles in their music videos, J-Pop on the other hand, while their songs being used in anime (especially in the 90's) helps promoting their songs, when you look or search for their songs/music video, there's no subtitles like it was only targetted for Japanese audience only, which I have nothing against, if that's their way, BUT there are few that does it. even with that set, I'm more into Japanese Pop culture

[@shanicestella2226]

Its Marketing Tactic Issue , Kpop Agency are Very Agrressive to Promoting their Artist with Aggresive Marketing Tactics , so the accessability of Kpop in every platform (( from video streaming platform until various music streaming platform )) having easier accesability compared to Jpop

[@chasse-nigb3r]

K pop might be more popular but in terms of actual music even japanese pop songs/anime song writers know what music theory is and can play instruments, while the most popular artist in the world the "western and kpop" literally take the musical talent part out and throw it in the trash then proceeds to replace it with a lot of autotune and pre recorded loops of drums etc., japanese singers do use autotune like myth and roid and fear n loathing but they can still sing live, while the us and kpop either go full autotune or just lipsynching cause they are on stage for the eye candy anyways not their talent.

[@liteasura6111]

J pop was popular back in the day due to the spread of weeb on social media, but never was advertised to the west by Japanese companies. But with the copyright right strike system from Japanese companies on KZbin, people don't get to advertise J pop song as much.

[@Meshida]

Naruhodo!!!!

[@thanosal-titan]

"back in the day"? What "day" are you talking about? There's no social media in the 90's. We knew and enjoyed Japanese music through CRT TV screen.

[@p4ulooping]

Truth

[@gamegainz344]

@@thanosal-titan early to mid 2000's

[@thanosal-titan]

@@gamegainz344 Still, in those days social media was not really a thing

[@jaypeedesuyo662]

Lmao. 😂🤣 The way Meshida-san roast Suzuki-san in the video is just gold. I can't stop laughing. 🤣

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@davidhouston4810]

As a member of the "Creepy" Market, I really like your videos, they make me laugh. But thankfully Nihon Music consists of more than J-Pop Idols. I'm a Fan of J-Rock, and particularly Girls Rock, For their skill and ability. Musically Nihon has produced some of the finest Musicians in the world, in all fields.

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆 Don't worry. I'm a creepy Japanese too!!!hahaha

[@sy_elephant]

@@Meshida Not as 'creepy' as Hentai Kamen

[@llms_react]

@@sy_elephant You mean Suzuki-san?

[@davidhouston4810]

@@Meshida Creepy People of the world Unite, we have nothing to lose but our minds. Ha Ha Ha.

[@sy_elephant]

@@llms_react Well suzuki-san could actually be one. You never know...

[@markee3428]

The coffee that I was drinking came out of my nose when Meshida-san introduced broken C3PO-san (Suzuki-san). AHAHAHAHAHA this duo is so hilarious! Thank you for giving us laughter in all of your videos. I've finished watching all your videos by the way in less than a week 🤣. I'll be waiting for more!

[@Meshida]

arigato!

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

I still don’t understand: Are they imposing themselves barriers, restricting the sale of their music worldwide, because culturally they don’t want to be globally famous in the first place? I talked with some artists and they said they don’t have the control of the distribution of their music, and they wish their music would be played outside Japan. I wonder how much control the music labels in Japan have in the artist career.

[@Meshida]

Good point!!!

[@raikaroku]

i think some companies are starting to reach foreign fans. this can be seen with some artist starting youtube channels, uploading their MVs and sometime vlogs. its not a direct promotion but at least foreign fans gets access with them easier. you can also site AKB expansion to different asian countries with localize sister groups. One convention in my country constantly inviting japanese performers pre pandemic.

[@ryuukakhadijah7766]

That's so sad. A number of cool Japanese bands didn't get the recognition they deserve despite their awesome output

[@suiken3149]

Because companies in Japan have backward mindset about copyrights. Like Nintendo suing a fan for making a non-profit fan game or just covering a popular track in a game.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

@@raikaroku Just to know that the AKB franchise has released their discography for streaming and iTunes overseas on 2021…. like many years after their debut. Why, because the pandemic made them close their theaters and cancel all their physical activities. Only in the time of crisis they have to recognize not only Japan but their fans on other markets, to recover their loses.

[@honokami-sama8462]

South Korea is a lot more open minded with marketing and making things available for the world. While Japan still has the "by Japan for Japan" mentality. I know Johnny's & Associates are trying to do something with bringing wider access to their goods/etc but I see it as an exception to the rule.

[@HannieRie]

I agree with your statement.

[@HajimeNoJMo]

As explained, Japan still has the second biggest music market in the world, which helps. Plus, most Korean artists and executives spent time or were born and raised in the US, so English and exposure to the international market is a huge advantage to them.

[@Marlon.Lucero48]

Im filipino i really like jpop since i was a kid i sing Japanese songs from the anime and super sentai, alot of anime at super sentai was aired in the philippine television when i was a kid. And i really love it and im proud to say AKB48 has a Sister group here in the Philippines MNL48 (MANILA 48). 💙💙💙

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@agentspencer7739]

You're truly a perfect comedy duo. Your constant jabs at each other is downright hilarious. The format is so entertaining while being really informative. I'd honestly suggest more of these kind of videos. Keep up the good work. 👍🏽

[@bcl3341]

I second this. Meshida presents as stern & serious(in the Japan Report) and Ken contrasts that very well by not being as "imposing" but still imposing enough by way of the business suit and delivery. I perceive Meshida as the more aggressive party in the banter, and combined with the size difference, I think that makes Ken's jabs that much more funny in a David/Goliath kind of way. I'm happy not the only person picking up this!

[@edwardkim8972]

I think this is a cultural aspect of Japan. Friends that like to jab one another. The two conflicting peasants in Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" were inspiration for George Lucas for the constantly bickering droids C3P0 and R2D2.

[@andrei_miguel]

I laugh more than i should. I love you Meshida-san and Suzuki-san 😂❤️

[@Meshida]

Arigato!!!(^O^)

[@mgphyothant]

Yes, K-pop is great but it lacks diversity. What's wrong with the Japanese music industry doing a variety of genres (rock, pop, etc.) they love. Remember Hollywood didn't become a king in the entertainment industry by copying from others. Creativity and uniqueness are valuable access in the entertainment industry. All it takes is for Japanese artists to continue exploring what defines their identity. Someday market will follow them.

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@AddaeAkono]

I had the pleasure of working a K-pop concert when the K-pop group "Twice" was in town. About 10,000 people attended that concert and the fans were super loud when they came on stage. The fans were very chill and didn't cause any problems that night. I'm not into K-pop, but I do listen to a little bit of J-pop in the form of J-rap. I also follow Japanese artist like Masayuki Suzuki, Lyn, and Yuuji Oono.

[@Meshida]

Thanks 😆

[@monique_pryce]

Who’s your favorite J-rapper? I LOOOVE Korean rap, but haven’t come across any J rappers that didn’t seem corny. 😂😂

[@AddaeAkono]

@@monique_pryce I'm a causal listener to J-rap, but I've been following Punpee ever since they did the OP for the Odd Taxi anime. I'm also a huge fan of the Hypnosis Mic series which features a lot of fictional J-rapers. I haven't come across any K-rappers lately.

[@thanosal-titan]

@@monique_pryce Home Made Kazoku

[@monique_pryce]

@@AddaeAkono I like the old school ones, like tiger JK. But thanks for your recommendation! I’ll check them out

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

This KZbin channel is a gem.

[@nadonado648]

Hallyu is very popular nowadays in Japan too, it influences most of teenagers there. A lot of Japanese Kpop fans also wants to go to Korea and audition for agencies in order to be an idol there instead of Japan, I’ve watched a lot of documentaries about Kpop training and I must say that I was very shocked when I saw a lot of Japanese teenagers mostly are girls, training in Korea..

[@Meshida]

Thanks!

[@asicdathens]

JPop may not be as popular as KPop, but JMetal is killing it There are plenty metal bands extremely successful. I personally have the discography of Lovebites and Band Maid on CD's / LP's

[@kum882]

Maybe in pop genre now kpop is more popular but actually in other genre like rock, metal, or jazz, japan is another level!!!

[@kyongkim8139]

Very funny. Even as a Korean, I enjoyed your satirical but somewhat factual comical comment. Wonder if most of Japanese know that Korean and Japanese are genetically very related. To prove this, you can test yourself with 23andMe or Ancestry genetic testing. Afterall, either Korean, Japanese or Chinese, we are all on Asian. So let's stop bickering each other. Lets love each other. Loved your channel. By the way, i am not a weird foreigner

[@EliBTR5.3]

I'm a pretty big fan of some K-Pop artists but can't deny that I love J-Pop and J-Rock as well. Fell through a rabbit hole after looking up songs from animes i love and from there I learned about Hysteric Blue and Judy and Mary then I learned about Yuki, Yui Makino, Round Table and others. As well I'm a pretty big fan of Tokyo Joshi Pro Wrestling and from there learned about idol groups such as AKB48, SKE48, UpUp Girls etc. Japan has some great music!

[@weed_0017]

HHAHBAHABA WATCHING THE VID WAS FUN AF . your videos are always enjoyable , while being informative . I personally am a J-pop fan , i feel like K-pop as become too generic . in k-pop ,as you said, we get to hear the same kinds of things again and again . in j-pop , there is like a million different catofories of songs. love you meshida-san and ken-san

[@chriscooper654]

This creepy US American loves your content, Meshida-san! Thank you for telling us about GoziU, I wish them great success!

[@Meshida]

Hahaha!

[@choirulabidin9890]

I still watch K-drama along with anime nowdays. Thats why i like Korean's ballads song (the OST of the drama i've watched mostly) and Japanese rock (also the OST from anime). So, i don't care about what trending on music chart. I don't care about the language of the song. I had a various language on my music library. Thats the major points why my neighbour said i am weird.

[@devonmiller113]

Along with the overall availability, I think K-pop is MUCH more similar stylistically and genre wise to American pop. Therefore, in a world where US pop is the most popular music in the world, music that is stylistically similar will naturally be more accessible to most people. I think that this is a huge factor as well.

[@davidong9458]

The appeal of Jpop , especially the older eras , last longer than Kpop . Look at video clips of the 80s artists Akina Nakamori , miki matsubara , mariya takeuchi , Anzen chitai , the 90 / early 00s artists - Ayumi hamasaki , namie amuro , Globe, Every little thing , kiroro . and many more , they are still gaining views.

[@dogpoop7377]

That's city pop which is night and day compared to modern Jpop

[@davidong9458]

@@dogpoop7377 city pop is just a term coined by western media , it was just japanese pop music in the 80s. You ask any japanese on city pop, they prob be puzzled " nani??"

[@missplainjane3905]

@@davidong9458 Really

[@lemons2300]

@@davidong9458 That may be true, but wasn't the term "J-pop" also unknown before the early 90s? So I think the term "J-pop" is specific to pop music since the 90s.

[@falloutboyisitachi]

The restrictions on exports seem to apply to more than just the music industry. Recently I was trying to buy computer parts from stores on Rakuten and they straight up cancel my order because of having a foreign billing address, even though I was using a forwarding company! LOL I swear some companies in Japan are just begging for failure, hopefully the next generation to take over will fix their bosses' mistakes

[@BenelliAkimbo]

when it comes music I personally like Japanese rock and metal been listening to bands like Crossfaith (Japanese Metalcore band) and maximum the hormone and as for Korean music I've basically been listening to the guy who pioneered it all... Seotaiji for a bit of context Jeong Hyeon-cheol, better known as Seo Taiji or Seo Tae-ji (서태지), is a South Korean singer, musician, songwriter and record producer. After dropping out of high school to pursue a music career, he rose to become one of the most prominent and influential cultural icons in South Korea, with many referring to him as "the President of Culture". Following a brief stint in the heavy metal band Sinawe, Taiji formed Seo Taiji and Boys in 1992 with whom he found immediate success. Their style of music, dance, fashion, and self-presentation resonated with the young generation-termed the sinsedae, "new generation." They incorporated elements of popular musical genres from the West and contributed considerably larger to Korean pop culture and Korean pop's development in the 1990s. His songs addressed social and political concerns of the youth including the stressful and stifling system of education in Korea, and the rage of youth in the face of poor social and economic outlook. Widespread youth backlash to government suppression of the social commentary in his music became a catalyst for the abolishment of censorship of Korean popular music lyrics. His career paved the way for free expression in Korean pop music. Although he initially announced retirement upon disbanding the group in 1996, Taiji released his first solo album two years later and continued his successful career.

[@anhq.d4705]

Please do more video like this in the future!! Really enjoyed when you guys try to speak Korean!

[@Meshida]

Thanks!

[@adrianuh2762]

Not Creepy market (maybe?), Meshida San you're the only one who tells the things as they are. I'm so grateful. Good Vibes from Mexico.

[@irwanhammadi]

Despite k-pop became popular around the world but I still support j-pop through my all life. I am the only one in my circle of friends who still listen to j-pop music while they like to listen to k-pop music

[@bcl3341]

I don't even listen to K-pop or J-pop, I am here strictly for the dialogue between Ken & Meshida! I don't think you could just grab two random Japanese guys, dress them in suits, have them read the script and get the same results as the Japan Report, at least not without a fight or significant struggle, but it probably wouldn't as funny😹✌

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@esitu5655]

And for us who are older, we should revive Japanese city jazz-pop from the 1980´s

[@davidong9458]

Plastic love did that already

[@nr655321]

You guys should write a book about Japan. Your mix of relevant information and bluntness is very refreshing and potent. I like to think of myself as a guy who knows a lot about Japan but your content consistently proves me wrong. For instance I never realized that one of the reasons why (no offence) J entertainment is a bit amateurish is because it makes the fans feel more invested in their favourite artist's "growth".

[@Herrera_70]

I was a JPOP fan in my high school years😭😭 I knew Jpop because of all the anime I watched. But quickly Kpop took over, all the atention was on them and still is, jpop pretty much disapeared from the public eye😭

[@pAuL-nb2ud]

I used to work on K-pop music videos. As a foreigner they ALWAYS tried to not pay us. One time our manager, God bless him, busted into the office of a producer and beat the crap out of him and forced him to hand over the money owed to us. This was in 2014 btw. Good luck working with the Koreans 👎 Side note: I also worked on K-dramas. And those people were more professional and treated us better. To give credit where credit is due 👍

[@SarimFaruque]

It's really a matter of marketing and such. Korean music industry wants to get global, so they simplify their sound (mostly the K-pop group industry; Korean music also includes some indie scenes that are still Korean-based). In contrast, Japanese music is more unique and mostly for Japanese market; you gotta acquire that taste if you're not that much into Japanese pop culture. I like both music btw. J-pop has better music instruments and is less westernized, but K-pop does better western music than America does nowadays, and they make better live performances.

[@casebycase_904]

Bahahahahaha "we get foreign fans who are weird in their own countries" i am dying 🤣 I'm a Korean and Japanese half who grew up in both Korea, Japan and America, and I have to say... korean friends liked japanese pop then stopped a couple years before 2010s and my japanese friends started to like k pop around the same time. It's definitely interesting to see the trends

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@aoeu256]

Weird theory but what if there were a lot of ghost writers for JPOP that were Korean and/or Chinese? Koreans then figured out they can just go for Western audiences instead of Japanese.

[@Нитро-и5ф]

14:32 The common misconception of foreigners is that they think Koreans only listen to K-pop idol songs. But in reality K-pop isn't really popular among the general public in Korea. Sure, the general public will occasionally listen to a song by a K-pop but most of the general public doesn't go in for "idol culture" Among the general public, they prefer Hip-hop, R&B, Ballads, EDM, Trot, Western music, and domestic artists/soloists. So why are there so many idols on the Korean music charts? Because it's a chart mainly for idol manias. There are many music charts in Korea.

[@edisonchin2463]

Wow, didnt expect Ken San to speak korean so fluently~

[@Meshida]

Korean people commented he can't understand what Ken san said!!hahaha

[@herrywijaya829]

Jpop idols are legendary.. my first love song was Hikaru Utada "first Love"... ahh and also Speed "white love"...

[@thebutterflylady4904]

I’m a new subscriber from Australia and I think you both are hilarious 😂 I personally love JPop more and I think who cares if JPop is domestic and not trying aim for global market, I like it anyway and anime songs are the best.

[@Meshida]

arigato!

[@edwardgonzalez4277]

You guys are so funny!!!! I had a good time watching the video. Thank you David Thomas Singson for sending me the link.

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@ricerockit]

That was a great video you guys, it was not only informative but hilarious! I grew up in the US listening to K-Pop and J-Pop ever since I was in middle school and now I'm living in Taiwan. So this was a lot of fun to watch for me!

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@benjackson7872]

I’m just curious, do you speak Korean and Japanese well?

[@usagiroxie]

J-Pop global fans are weird? Oh man I don't even want to tell anyone on how I found out about GACKT now... 😂 Great video, Meshida-san and Ken-san! 😊

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@lyhthegreat]

how?

[@Rawbtala]

God I can’t say enough how precise all of this is.

[@xiaph2581]

Hehehe PPOP is also emerging and is fighting head on SB19 is now very popular although they were trained in Korea, they still embraced to sing more Filipino songs!

[@Jimmilito1]

Did Suzuki san just call me a creepy foreigner?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Meshida]

Hahaha!!!

[@junbug9844]

Korea is good at pop, but Japan makes better rock music but Japanese 80s city pop now that's something else lol.

[@Van_TT]

This is the best breakdown between K-pop and J-pop! I enjoyed this video tremendously and laughed so hard. I think if the Japanese artists are happy with their unique domestic market, then more power to them. It is true that K-pop has successfully captured the global market, especially on KZbin, as I am listening more to K-pop than even Western artists.

[@Meshida]

thanks!

[@ChronoMoogle]

Ken-san casually roasting the whole audience like that. What a legend!

[@Firegarden999]

I’m not into pops. I’m a metal head so Japan is better for me. Maximum the Hormone, Crossfaith, Babymetal and others. I miss going to some live houses to listen amateur metal bands. Idk the metal scene in Korea but the metal community in Japan supports each other, I like that. I like Ichika Nito as well, imo, one of the best guitar players in the world.

[@RX-78-z7c]

Same bro...I love J-Rock so much...I love J-POP too

[@agamersinsanity]

I stumbled upon Garnidelia quite recently. I loved the music, and the music videos is really good. Even if most music videos has a translation I would really want to understand the lyrics behind every song and have a better interpretation of it.

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@thanosal-titan]

Is that means you already saw Gokuraku Jodo video?

[@agamersinsanity]

@@thanosal-titan seen a few of them ^^ i smashed the sub button 😂

[@wateezit]

Pop industries have always been the strategic assets of soft power projections. Japan did promote their idols like Kyon Kyon, Akina, Checkers and Anzenchitai in foreign markets in the 80's. The idea was to inculcate and associate the feel good factors of Pop to Japanese brands among the teenagers. That way, the kids tended to think favourably of the Japanese brands when they grew up and were making the purchasing decisions. By the end of the 90's, most Japanese brands were already well established and maybe that's why the large corporations no longer see the need to promote their pop industry. After that, Korean came to fill up the void left by Jpop and repeated the game.

[@ddnn974]

Please take a look at the “First Take” series by Sony also on KZbin. The Japanese singers have massive amounts of views such as LiSA’s Homura. The Japanese music scene is far from dead on the global stage!

[@Meshida]

Arigato!

[@weeksweeks9552]

First Take is a result of what Meshida-Ken san said. The Japan music industry is still very reliant on physical CD sales in Japan (local market). The record companies are not interested in promoting their music to the global market. Hence thats why you wont see popular Jpop groups releasing their songs on their own KZbin channels. Sure some big names will have their music videos on the channel but everyone below AAA level only posts PV (promotional videos) at most because they need to sell the Blurays and DVDs. First Take is the only place where most overseas fans can have listen to the songs officially.

[@mahiru20ten]

@@weeksweeks9552 If the labels those Japanese artists work with would allow their songs to be released on iTunes, I think they would take spots on the charts.

[@emilg7078]

this format is gold! Great Duo!

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@j-bichannel5841]

I still prefer J-Pop due to it's alternative and variety of music styles. Also, Koreans copy a lot of Japanese models like AKB 48 > Produce 101 series. BTS has also copied many Western artists, infact they plagiarized over 48 foreign artists.

[@tatiana-bi5fq]

BTS 🤡🤡🤡

[@KurtStaInes]

One of the best videos I have ever seen with Meshida-sans channel. I have been Binge all thru the videos and the youtube algorithm already promotes it . Please make more crazy and weird topics in a funny way . Your content is a GEM.

[@asunachan9999]

When i was young, Anime was prolific here in our country. I naturally imagined Jpop would follow. I was flabbergasted, however, when Kpop & K-Dramas suddenly overtook it. Anyway, most my fave music artist, to this day, are Jpop oriented. ♥️🇵🇭

[@Meshida]

arigato😊✊

[@thanosal-titan]

I think, for most of us (Southeast Asian), the kids who grew up in the 90s and 2000s, our favorite music are always local music, western music and Japanese music. That's all.

[@GameFuMaster]

kpop tends to be more "modern" IMO. Jpop still largely caters to otaku style music, which is obviously much more niche.

[@thanosal-titan]

@@GameFuMaster Otaku style music? What are you talking about?

[@GameFuMaster]

@@thanosal-titan hard to describe, but it's very "iconic", in the sense that the style feels like it's stuck in the past. It's generally uplifting, with a lower bpm, than say modern music.

[@gruu]

Hilarious and informative at the same time. Absolutely love these!!

[@Meshida]

thanks!

[@ariusbudiman7105]

I know since late 90s Japanese 'close' their entertainment from outside and they doesn't care about global market. But I don't care too about K-Pop so popular in global market because I still love J-Pop from long time ago like Namie Amuro, Morning Musume, Perfume..until Faky, FEMM era. 😁

[@ramonramirez3060]

Finally got to learned what"s Jpop & Kpop & the difference between them. Excellent & funny way of doing so, had a great laught, 2 thumps up!!

[@elianrojas7203]

Here a "creepy foreigner" of your show 😆😆😆and here is your like Meshida San

[@translumination2002]

One of the funniest ones you guys have done. When you guys pick on each other it is almost.. cruel

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@出半馬修]

I love Jpop since I've heard my father singing Voltes V theme song when I was 3 years old and years after that I actually caught interest in listening and singing to Jpop way back when anime is growing popular here in the Philippines and honestly all of my songs stored in my phone is 98% Jpop as in, and the remaining contains some Filipino music and few Kpop.... My love for Jpop will never end because it soothes my soul and I feel everyday will be a good day by listening to this genre.... Love from フィリピン 🇯🇵🇵🇭💞💞💞

[@Meshida]

ありがとう！ from 東京！

[@lyhthegreat]

but the jpop of today and the ones from before in the 90s are very different imo..but you can say the same thing for any other countries..

[@ZaGaijinSmash]

This is just the story of modern Japan. Outside of the car industry Japan just looks inward.

[@Meshida]

hahaha

[@sumansaha295]

I think recently vtubers may have introduced many to J-pop. I was laughing so loud at the creepy market part the execution was perfect.

[@kabochaVA]

13:32 "All the members are over 50" NINGEN ISU has entered the chat. 😂 But seriously, NINGEN ISU is a very good metal band (and it seems they are getting better with age!)

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@heavenlysadist]

THEIR SONGS ARE PERFECT, I had one of their song in my music app and it rocks. The title is Katana To Saya. The song gives me a vibes of my OC!! I started to listen to them because of the new songs on their channel

[@ejtaylor73]

Japan has one claim to fame that'll never go away, BABY METAL!!!!!!! Personally I like some groups from both Japan and Korea.

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@xRanAngel]

Yep I'm a foreigner Girl who liked jpop 10 years ago this makes me one of the og nerdy weirdo 😂😅

[@hangeishot7919]

Japanese Comedian Meshida. You two are really good together. The best comedy duo.

[@diablejambe3460]

Growing up in taiwan, japanese entertainment was everywhere, whether that was in terms of films/tv shows, game shows, music (anything u can think of). So i grew up with a ton of it as a kid. Then moved to europe for a couple years before moving to china. Thats when groups like super junior, big bang, girls generation, kara, wonder girls etc. were starting out/starting to make a name for themselves. Having korean friends in school, they listened to their music and watched their shows in the dorms so i started to gravitate towards it. Been a fan of their stuff ever since. Used to consume so much japanese entertainment, but now its almost completely switched to korean stuff. I still read mangas/watch animes but thats mostly it. Not saying which is better, but guess im a good example of the diminished power/influence of japanese entertainment vs the rising power/influence of korean entertainment.

[@anamrake]

I love both J-pop and K-pop. I think Japan is the world's 2nd largest music industry after US, so local artists don't have much need to go global as you noted. J-pop is creative and has unique sound though - from city pop to casiopea and t-square to l'arc en ciel, they all have high creativity and excellent musical skills. You are also right that k-pop is more geared toward western / international audience, and their song styles reflect that. Their idols are top notch and well-trained in dancing, singing, and aegyo-ing :), but their songs are rich musically and also refreshing- you can find that in their indie music scene, from ballad to rap. Anyway, thanks for the great job covering a fun topic in a funny way! You and Ken san should be in a movie somewhere.

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@ElGrueso]

Then how are US, Uk, and Latinos songs are so popular globally despite having a big domestic market audience? Japanese Anime is popular outside of Japan even with big domestic market. As long as the content it self is good enough it will the global recognition eventually. J-pop is simply not good enough to get popular globally and most of them sound another Anime opening/closing song.

[@missplainjane3905]

@@ElGrueso Variety too.

[@thanosal-titan]

@grey momo You can find many Japanese musics for free on KZbin

[@ElGrueso]

@grey momo you actually can find them everywhere, and even Japanese rock sounds like another anime song…

[@melfingadgets4350]

Korea is known for its kpop Japan is known for its anime China is known for its cheap labor Everyone has its own forte

[@Meshida]

Hahaha!

[@shanicestella2226]

Most Kpop Were Utilize Mainstream Genre so the music are more approached easily with Mainstream audiance Jpop may experimental in genre but certain genre may challenging to appeals mainstream audience

[@Meshida]

arigato😊✊

[@pandjalu6]

Is being called creepy like one of your compliment? Well... Anyway, I really enjoy your video especially with ken-san, please make more with him, arigatou and stay safe.

[@Meshida]

Yes! compliment!! All art is created by creepy people.

[@pandjalu6]

@@Meshida you goddamn right it is!

[@Robinsingh5237]

10:22 ken san's words are really deep.. Sometime system error occurred, and they delete themselves.. I understand the meaning behind it.. Even I also like Japanese song. My favorite singers are Radwimps, lisa, Eve, enomi etc.. I also like ponponpon song that's was too good and funny. Liked that..

[@Meshida]

Thanks!

[@harrden19]

You guys are the best comedian! Please make more content! お願いします！🤩🙏🏻

[@Meshida]

arigato!

[@NatalieAliciaNorment]

I like both K-pop and J-pop equally. There are no favorites when it comes to me, although I wish to know if South Korea will explore more than pop music.

[@slasherdawn]

The rock, paper, scissors made me laugh. 😁 I am a jpop lover and love kattun before but its difficult when you dont know japanese most shows have no subtitles and was restricted before so i gave up

[@willieG333]

Creepy old Kinki gaijin here...I used to go to the beer gardens in Osaka in the early 80's..They had go-go girls dancing and Pinky Lady was so hot! You guys are amazing! Great analysis.

[@Meshida]

thanks!

[@willieG333]

@@Meshida Yoroshiku!

[@TheStandardBearer]

That singing in the beginning made me chuckle. Thank you.

[@blackbirdgamingamv8654]

The people who like BTS in my country are known as gay people 😂😂🤣🤣

[@nelsonmagele5903]

Lol so true

[@Meshida]

笑笑笑

[@Birdyie]

I am not Japanese or Korean. I listened to a lot of Jpop when I was younger. I grown up with Jpop. I bought a lot of Jpop Idol albums. But now I only listen to Kpop. They are both good but Kpop really getting better and popular nowadays. Kpop knows how to entertain their audiences. They made a lot of videos for global audiences like me.

[@Supermariocrosser]

I feel Jpop and Japanese pop culture have been very reserved and more nostalgic towards the world. They won't be once go full throttle on promoting it on epic global events. Korean pop culture have been on Olympic games, fifa world cup and Netflix etc. But Japanese pop keeps it a bit calm on world promoting each eras artist, keeping every artist alive on the long run and is for own nation . I dunno if this is in order to have the longest breath on the long term. Japanese pop culture is more egalitarian modest and diverse. Also jpop never got full attention to the world in history because of japanese Anime and video games being way more popular. Jpop was immediately restricted in its 2000s probably by directors to not go to wild.

[@AdanSensei]

OMG this video was amazing! めしださん　めちゃめちゃおもろい！

[@Meshida]

arigato!

[@jaycolinzhai]

No worry, I love J-Pop over K-pop. Actually I got no interest in K-pop since I was in elementary school

[@ComposerUSA]

Some of the most creative, high-quality music ever created was by Japanese artists in the 1980s. Sadly, contemporary Japanese popular music is over-simplified, low-IQ garbage; but so is K-pop. Both J-pop and K-pop are Asian interpretations of African-American popular music, which they mimic because it's currently profitable.

[@chinemeremohaeri9100]

Lol, their expressions are like they are holding in farts. Also, ''Chang, that's not K-pop.'' almost killed me. ROFLMAO!

[@Meshida]

Arigato😆

[@brc2567]

OILF! hilarious. We heard it here first folks. Very nice rendition of Jo Yong-pil. I enjoyed your video (except the part about me as viewer being creepy).

[@Meshida]

Hahaha!

[@TimothyLiangUT]

Honestly, I never like K-pop but for some reason I am entirely hooked with Jpop. Not just anime song, 雪の花, 月光 and a lot of others are all very nice songs… Jpop at least to me doesn’t rely on appearance of singers but their ability to sing, which is more important.

[@jeans4484]

Jpop not rely on appearance? What is this alternate universe Japan you're talking about? Jpop, especially idol rely heavily on look, hell, most of idol groups can't sing and dance whatsoever, they just rely on being cute.

[@TimothyLiangUT]

@@jeans4484 first of all, that's only my opinion. and back in late 80s and early 90s, or even early 2000s, I honestly don't think appearance was super big deal. Singers like Mika Nakashima, Hikaru Utada they werent as beautiful as what the standard beauty is in Japan at the time. Yet they stood out because of their voice and the performance. And even now, the girl who sings the OP for Full Metal Alchemist, is she beautiful like the ones you see on the screen? I dont think so right? But YUI is actually pretty good and popular. But in Kpop, can you say the same? If the singer is only good at singing and doesnt meet the beauty standard, will he or she be able to debut in Kpop world?

[@heavenlysadist]

@@TimothyLiangUT Hikaru Utada was my favorite jpop singer, she sings Kingdom Hearts openings!! This revive my old self where I love japanese games haha

[@jeans4484]

@@TimothyLiangUT Few, like, extremely few example is representation of what Japanese entertainment is like instead of overwhelming majority of 10,000 idols?

[@raburainbow26]

exactly..

[@runny.nose_]

Marketing probably is one of the reasons. It is hard to find even osts of anime posted here in youtube. They are being taken down by the music company. Unlike western and korean counterparts that you can easily find here in youtube and other platforms. But I really do think Jpop has the same potential as Korean and Western music. I remember back then how Utada Hikaru's 'First Love' became so popular here in the Philippines. Even non-anime fans was singing to that song.

[@glentot9243]

I think the main problem is with inaccessiblity. although there is high demand for a lot of japanese culture, not only JPOP, japanese media has been actively limiting accessibility from outside japan. Either outside market is completely blocked off or only small/cut off contents are getting out. most of the time, people outside of japan resort to non legal means just to be able to consume japanese domestic. things are getting better though, and a lot of content are getting out now. Korea should be credited for that. Korea did manage to master pop culture globalization

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

It was the pandemic that made it more faster, cause their domestic dependent physical sales and concerts were seriously compromised.