Why Korean shamans are women

#korea #history #mudang #shaman #exhuma

[@libra48100]

We have parallel realities in the Philippines. Our shamans were mostly women. Men could be shaman but they have to dress talk and move like women. The women shamans were called babaylan or baylan, the men were asog. They were suppressed by Christianity. The theory was women have closer access to the divine because of fertility birthing whose processes follow the lunar cycle and tides. The rituals are almost similar to that of the mud ang of Korea. The babaylan stood in equal status of the datu or rajah and the panday/bagani.

[@HahnScroll]

So interesting! thanks for comment

[@DMliliway]

It's interesting to know how threathened the spanish priars/priest were during the babaylan rebellion. They underestimated the influence of babaylans in every native. Babaylans were also their first target to eliminate when they conquer the philippines they also replaced philippine native gods and goddesses with Christian God and Mary to completely deal these powerful women.

[@RojaJaneman]

Women as shamans is common amongst most ancient cultures across d globe. Probably because ideas travelled a lot more than modern education teaches. It’s an erasure of facts by d western education system

[@hadassah3560]

Interesting observation.....Now Christianity upholds that Yahweh is the only God and through Jesus Christ the ultimate sacrifice to reaching Yahweh was served and His Holy Spirit seals the deal...God is a trinity ......Jesus was God walking on earth .....There is no God but the Lord (Yahweh) and He declares that He is God over all ......

[@bahijjaabdulkadir3592]

Just like the from the movie Amaya

[@jagatdeuri3261]

As northeast indian from assam, our Deori tribe have all female shamans ( we mostly called them as Midi khayasi or deodhani or deo khayasi) the one who is possessed by God.

[@sunayanapaul2029]

I heard...I never saw one personally though?

[@nanaouzumaki6044]

I am from manipur northeast india, our shamans are mostly female too, they are chosen by the spirits themselves. We call them maibi. But for male shamans, maibas, they have to make contract with the spirits themsleves with the price to pay at the end of contract.

[@045_shinthuikamei7]

​@@nanaouzumaki6044what kind of price if I may ask

[@raksha6336]

Oh wow! I didn't know India too had shamans. That's crazy

[@ilikethat1990]

I'm also from Assam but I didn't knew we also had shamans 😮

[@Maneyaku]

"most religions are dominated by men" *shows pic of men dominating each other

[@tamarrartis2918]

Lol

[@normanryan9145]

I was looking for this specific comment 😂😂😂

[@beberlycalleja5920]

Doble moral y doble estándar... 😂 Así son las personas...

[@saryntoews]

😂 yessss!

[@Lingyang_impregnator]

Naaahhhh 💀💀💀

[@car5970]

For anyone asking: The first scene is from a movie called "Exhuma" (2024). It's released quite recently in the cinemas and so far not yet streamed online. It's a horror movie and really well produced. Edit: looks like it's been released on several online platforms, check out comments if you'd like!

[@beot-kkot]

I watched it last month on APPLE TV. No subtitles. It’s a horror/thriller. I highly recommend it.

[@shreya7288]

Thanks 👍😊

[@vaishnavigupta6401]

It's available in Hitv now

[@coogidown6858]

is their any other film or series in this short? if yes do you also know them? I want all the names of these shows please and thank you so much❤

[@that0nerandomperson374]

@@coogidown6858I'm pretty sure one of the scenes is from 'The Glory', a series about bullying and a victim's long-due revenge

[@adventuretime4451]

Im from Arunachal Pradesh and my grandmother herself is a shaman, she is always being called by some people to carry out this shamans

[@unomilli]

Which tribe?

[@sumimasen_wtf]

​@@LiberTeaBagIt's not? They have their own regional practices, which are native to our land.

[@yamraanu2711]

Konsa tribe se hai? Konsa district me hai...hum b Arunachalee hai 😂😂I want to know more

[@sumimasen_wtf]

@@LiberTeaBag It's NOT. Moreover, the civilization of the Indian sub-continent is ancient. Which makes the Korean civilization fairly new compared to our's.

[@sumimasen_wtf]

@@LiberTeaBag By the time China came into existence (founded by the Han dynasty, yes, the very family of the Mongolian king Genghis Han), India was already an ancient country. And you're drifting away from the original conversation. You claimed the the Shamanic culture of North-Eastern states came from Korea, which is simply NOT true. These Shamanic practices existed before China was founded as a country among the Mongolian tribes, who moved around quite a bit in few parts of Eastern Asia, before they finally decided to settle down in the Eastern region of Greater India. Also, culture evolves. So does regional practices. The Shamanic practices of North-Eastern states in India vary very much from region to region, and tribe to tribe. Sure, they might use Chinese characters in writing during rituals or on talismans due to Tibetan-Buddhist influence. But that doesn't makes it any less of Indian culture. India is VERY diverse. Much more than homogenous countries like Korea.

[@cakeva.]

In Manipur, northeast India, our tribe meitei also have female shamans and are called Maybii. Who are possessed by God and can heal the sick.

[@ejunavil]

😂u have st

[@adventuretime4451]

No offense but thats what I thought too, meite is already converted to st?

[@cakeva.]

@@adventuretime4451 not yet. Kukis are St not meitei.

[@Mrs_Jen1507]

​@@maxsolrazer786it's Tribes not thief. You are just disrespecting our country's president's cast.

[@maxsolrazer786]

@@Mrs_Jen1507 yeah right fck the president no one cares about that rubber stamp

[@phizzy123]

i love how in almost every culture of the world traditionally they were revering the spirits that represent the forces of nature. says a lot about how our human ancestors actually were connected to and appreciated the earth that they live on. can’t say much of the same for the vast majority of people today.

[@Shrupx7]

our connection with nature has been unfortunately declining since the bloody forced conversions of abrahamic religions which are male dominated.

[@3fish709]

무당은 600년보다 더 전부터 있어서 유교 영향이라는 추측은 잘못된 것 같습니다. 한국인으로서 한국의 무당에 대해 한국 밖의 분들이 관심을 가지니 좋네요 ㅎㅎ

[@raukmineya_priyadarshini]

Didn't shamans exist for since more than 4,000 years (because it was the state religion of Gojoseon era which existedsince or pre 2600 BCE)? Like Korean shamanism was the state religion in korea before 372 CE. It got replaced by Buddhism which began from India. Btw I am an Indian who's researching on Korea history.

[@Kevin-br6wd]

@@raukmineya_priyadarshiniCorrect

[@vetatimko3590]

Please, recommend good books/blogs about korean shamanism 🙏🏻

[@wiwaxiasilver827]

@@raukmineya_priyadarshini Indeed. I just made a bit of a detailed breakdown in the comments, so you can take a look if you are interested :)

[@wiwaxiasilver827]

@@raukmineya_priyadarshini Here, I’ll actually copy-paste my earlier breakdown for you. It’s a bit long: It’s a decent analysis, but there are far more deep-rooted reasons. You see, there are some traditional aspects of the original very old Korean legends that feature the role of certain goddesses, including Sam-Shin Hal-meoni, translatable to grandmother goddess of the three realms or something similar (I too get a bit confused at times over what the “Sam” or “three” part signifies”), tied to fertility, fecundity, nurturing and safety. So, in a way similar to the Greek Delphi, women and especially elderly women can be associated with that image, even if they do serve different gods; since Sam-Shin is actually a really monumental goddess, even spiritually inclined people normally can’t really hold her essence. Common gods or spirits that the Korean shamans are said to mutually be possessed by when “Zeob-Shin”, or “meeting with/descent of god” (after previously forming a pact with a spiritually-inclined human vessel, gods use the shaman they formed a pact with as a medium to come from the spirit realm and communicate with the living) happens include the God-General (a sort of god in general attire protecting against evil spirits), spirits of familial ancestors (in traditional folklore as well as Confucianism, ancestors play a central role), guaneum-bosal (the female Buddha; “bosal” is the Korean word for “boddhisattva” which is derived from Chinese character renderings of the name; this shows a fusion with Buddhism), and notably spirits of children and infants (“dong-ja shin” or “aegi bosal”). The nature of the spirits or gods that possess the shamans can also show why women may tend to be viewed as more suitable. Not only do they represent an element of the same fertility, fecundity and nurturing protectiveness also held in the Sam-Shin goddess, but they also match the image of the female Buddha or the infant and children spirits much better, the latter as a receiving maternal role. Therefore, it’s way more complicated than just women having little social opportunities under the patriarchal system of Joseon (in fact, the mu-dang at times were oppressed as superstition during Confucian-dominant times) since the practice is way older than the introduction of Confucianism or even Buddhism into Korea. The above reasonings also explain why male shamans are rare, coupled with the patriarchy and the need for agricultural labor forces. Actually, archeology does suggest overall that the origins of patriarchal dominated systems really started mostly with the advent of agriculture, as not only did it require intensive labor in plowing the land, but gave rise to the concepts of possessions, property and war, the last one especially requiring even more labor force from strong men. In fact, matriarchal societies may have been common or even more prevalent during foraging hunter-gatherer times since small tribes of descendants could form around an elderly wise mother or grandmother that surely gave birth to them, even if paternity is uncertain, and there were little permanent things to possess for long, unlike with agriculture where one has to stick to fertile land as a lifeline and have surplus production for storage.

[@infinite5795]

In Hinduism, women were the co-composers of the 5k old Vedas, the oldest extant literature of Hinduism, who are called Brahmavadini. Prominent names of Brahmavadinis are Gargi, Lopamudra, Shikta, Ghosa, Niravari etc. They also officiated religious ceremonies and initiations, but patriarchy crept and Hindu religion only favored male priests since some 2k years ago. Still, there are many popular Hindu temples where the priests are all women, like Attukal Bhagavathy temple, pancha barahi temple etc. Nowadays, women are also taught priestly duties and employed as priests, like 2k years ago! But personally speaking, its not as pronounced as men.

[@Dara_107]

Shamanism is not priesthood. It’s a parallel alt cult if you had to say.. so something like Shamanism would be closer to Tantric traditions in India that has “Taboo” practices to ward off evil spirits or gain strength. That being said similarly to other Asian cultures, Spirit possession is mostly on women even in India (Mata in the Hindi belt).

[@Triveni-cq9ri]

Per hum yahan black magic ke baare me baat ker rahe hai.Pujari tho dharmik hote hai.

[@tomorrow.]

Aatukal bagavathi temple is in Kerala. Kerala traditionally has non Vedic form of Hinduism and tantric, that's why you will find different belief systems in different lands. It's not just attukal. God possession in women and men is equally important in Kerala, they are considered shamans not priests. They do not do any priest activities, that's done by poojari a different set of ppl. You will find similar cultures in northeast as well. They are different from the mainstream Hinduism that we are seeing today.

[@jagatdeuri3261]

@@Triveni-cq9ri shamanism is not black magic, it's type of spirit possesion.

[@ATHEIST_69]

Your oldest Vedas are written in 1464AD What are you yapping About

[@ntranphuong14]

I mean if you want to know why shamans are all women, it has nothing to do with patriarchy. For many East Asian native beliefs (polyatheism, pagan, whatever you call it), men have yang and women have yin. Yang is sun and yin is moon. The world needs both yin and yang but yang is the qi of the living and things above the ground while yin is the qi of the underworld. So women, especially virgins, whose qi was not polluted with the male counterpart qi, are perfect medium to connect with the underworld and allow spirits to overtake their worldly body for brief time. And of coz there are male with more yin power and female with more yang power too, which nowadays people call non-binary. If you don't have belief in afterlife, all of this sounds like bs. But it's just kind of like choosing containers for the substance you want to keep in: frozen food in freezer, rising bread in oven.

[@catiabotelho5845]

I agree with you and I keep saying the same thing. Gender identification is just Ying and Yang energy inballance. No one has a perfect 50/50 percentage of each one, I suppose.

[@cosmicrae]

People actually understood their place in society before. I feel like only the West is extremely obsessed with gender.

[@queserasera6913]

This is the answer that makes sense the most, especially to the culture and religion of east asia

[@jennyg6122]

Wow! Thank you so much for sharing!

[@ajibolaabisola4791]

Thanks for sharing ❤

[@ericashiorikayo1893]

Okinawan shamans are mostly women, too ❤ they're called yutaa or kaminchu

[@tshiololiai6135]

In Congo, we do have female shaman we call them Mama Mbikudi

[@user-xv2sw2fx3r]

Ooh this is so beautiful. In a way it reminds of our Zulu shamans in South Africa also mostly female. They are called izangoma. Even the cadence of the drumming is familiar. How fascinating!!

[@undercover_idiot]

As a Zulu woman this is exactly what I thought! It's incredible how cultures can be so similar.

[@user-xv2sw2fx3r]

@@undercover_idiot Nje uqinisile.

[@LynaLoopS]

@@undercover_idiot I think it's a nice proof and reminder that we all are cousins living under the same sky :)

[@Genso326]

In Buryatia and Mongolia also the most respectful shamans are usually women. Shamanism in Asia coexist with other religions such as Buddhism and Daoism

[@trisrob925]

We had a Korean Shaman perform for our Babaylan(Female Pre-Hispanic shaman) festival in a town here in the Philippines last year. She was dancing on top of sharp blades, it was very mesmerizing to see close up.

[@cinnamongirl2916]

😂​@@christopherchrist-yk4xo

[@niiiiishy]

@@christopherchrist-yk4xo just let people have their own culture.

[@lordforages8319]

​@@christopherchrist-yk4xo My Brother in Christ, can we just appreciate our ancient cultures to commemorate our ancestors?

[@spring_originated]

Don't be hell bent in ending others culture. You believe in yours and we won't stop you unlike the way you do to us. Let us believe in ours rather than participating in wars and colonisations. Let western culture be in west. Stop destroying Asian culture. We are fine the way we are just how you do. @@christopherchrist-yk4xo

[@Armand0627]

This is really similar to pre colonial Philippines. Babaylan is what you call a shaman (in bisaya) and they are almost always a women or feminized men. Ancient Filipinos believed babaylan have spirit guides, by which they could contact and interact with the spirits and deities (anito or diwata) and the spirit world. The reason why the babaylan were primarily women was because they held significant roles in society as spiritual leaders, healers, and mediators. Being a shaman or a spiritual realm was seen as a feminine thing. When the Spaniards colonized the islands, they branded these priestesses as witches or servants of the devil. demonizing them during their efforts of Christianizing the Philippines. They where not witches and where highly respected. Today, Babaylans/shamans still exist amongst the indigenous peoples. :)

[@cosmicrae]

So true. Many Asian pre-colonial cultures have strong women leaders. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@WorgenGrrl]

I remember back around the 1980s, there was a famous TV show (Comedy/Drama) in the US called M*A*S*H* which took place during the Korean War. In one episode, the Military Hospital camp was experiencing a string of bad luck. It eas eventually dispelled when a Shamaness entered the camp and started her ritual dance wearing a colorful dress and holding a brightly colored fan with I presume some Korean Gods on it. One nice touch was that when she danced through the O.R. she wore a surgeon's mask.

[@balaramprasadsatapathy7988]

Most Asian religions started with Matriarchial societies which later became patriarchal (well thanks to the men thinking they are better with their superiority complex 😂) Early Japan ,Korea ,China had that influence, North east still has Matriarchial societies which stems from religions or shamanism that gives more importance to women being creators or progenitors

[@spring_originated]

Even India has matriarchal. We celebrate when a girl menstruation for her first time in Odisha (as Mother Bhudevi) and Southern part of India. Maybe in seven sister areas too, Goddess Parvati bleeds for 2 months.

[@Kirvo12z]

Of course, there is also a male shaman. In the movie, however, Lee Do-hyun plays a role of assisting a shaman. It is said that if an ordinary person realizes his or her spiritual ability and rejects it, he or she dies. That is why a shaman performs a gut to accept spiritual ability without physical damage. In the movie, Kim Go-eun is a person who gave a gut(The act of removing or removing evil spirits from a person's body or protecting a person from bad things to come) to Lee Do-hyun so that he or she can accept spiritual ability well. That is why Lee Do-hyun always stays with Kim Go-eun while assisting her. And shamans also need powerful aides. This is because in the case of evil spirits with strong power, the power of not only shamans but also aides is important. Especially in Korea, the number of aides with strong power is rather insufficient. Lee Do-hyun in the movie can exercise his spiritual ability alone. However, I think it is his duty to assist Kim Go-eun.

[@SaltyShaman]

And yet a real Shaman will tell you the truth. We are all the same size on the spiritual plane. Nothing can over power you if you do not give it permission to. But that's just in Reality, not in the movies.

[@cherrytv3]

*That woman running on rooftop with Tommy gun & wearing glasses is a scene from* *"Assassination (2015)" movie*

[@dalstarbet]

thanks

[@serenehari]

Your guess is exactly like an article I found in google lol. I honestly don't think the reason is mainly because of Confucianism. Shamanism had existed long ago, before Buddhism and Confuciansm. It would have something to do with the relationship between women and supernatural entities.

[@neelroy2918]

Yep. I think so as well. I think it has something to do with "ease of channeling" which in turn might be related to ability to produce life\giving birth. Latter one is just guess.

[@Ennekeli]

Some sources I have read claimed that women are better at channeling during the shamanistic rituals. Men, who used to become shamans were usually differently abled, like, blind or deaf. Like if "lacking" something gives you more spiritual powers

[@serenehari]

@@Ennekeli can you send the links or tell me which region they wrote about?

[@serenehari]

@@neelroy2918 or perhaps related to "femininity and masculinity" with the supernatural entities being the masculine, at least in some cases?

[@neelroy2918]

@@serenehari yes, it can be one of the assumptions.

[@bluulotus7]

“difficult and idealistic” you mean misogynistic and oppressive

[@HahnScroll]

It is debatable whether Confucianism is misogynistic. Of course, it is true that Confucianism was oppressively abused in Korea (Joseon).

[@pchan232]

Whereas I want to know the movies from which the scenes were taken :)

[@bluulotus7]

@@HahnScroll hierarchy and social order are described in two of the four main tenets of Confucianism and mind you socially men were (and are still) held in positions of higher status and authority in both china and Korea so either way it still is. Agreed that Korean Confucianism takes it waaaay too far

[@iagreewithyou3478]

​@@pchan232The titles are at the top of the video.

[@RojaJaneman]

No. Not at all

[@Duskydoc4259]

The initial scene was from the movie EXHUMA . A good movie😍

[@badsinger1058]

Hi. I have a question. At the end part there was a shot clip where a women jump to a roof and start shooting. Do you know the name of that movie ?

[@ASULABALBALTA]

@@badsinger1058 Assassination (2015)

[@user-vb5tq2kv1q]

​@@badsinger1058villainess

[@ainomerlin]

​@@badsinger1058 look up the main female heroine actress in "happiness", she was in two of them, but i can't remember the name now

[@Zoe-gb9bf]

​@@badsinger1058hi, did you find out which movie it is?

[@orangenerator]

The museogin are older than confucianism though. In fact older than even Buddhism in korea. And they are not a reaction to confucianism but quite free standing in their origins

[@lungmying]

Even in our Lepcha community from Sikkim have female shaman as Mun and male shaman as Bongthing .

[@Stimkie]

In pre-colonial Philippines, we have female shamans called the Babaylans (also called balian, or katalonan). There are also the transgender shamans known as bakla. Unfortunatelly, the "bakla" word gist refer to gays in general now and is often spoken in a derrogatory manner.

[@inodog5784]

I get why women would be more powerful, there aint a magic trick as powerful as pushing another person out of your body.

[@someday234]

When they ralk about shaman , i alway remember the words " Wise Women"

[@darlingbaby2303]

Its because women have wombs and spiritually its our power centre. We have higher intuition and we are more connected to the nature

[@jeon168]

As a North-east Indian tribe from Manipur,Our meitei tribe also have female shamen , we call "Maibi" and who are possessed by God

[@Majotsukai]

How fascinating. It would make sense that women would be the “keepers of the veil” as it’s the Divine Feminine that connects us to the Collective Unconscious.

[@deaddeer7179]

What's that mean buddy?

[@Th3Visitor]

​@@deaddeer7179 spiritual misogyny

[@deaddeer7179]

@Th3Visitor against women? I was moreso asking what divine feminine and collective unconscious means

[@Majotsukai]

@@deaddeer7179 As Spiritual beings, each of us (regardless of gender) is comprised of Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine energies. Divine Masculine energy is the extroversion of energy. It is conscious, creative, protective, enterprising, courageous, honorable and gets us off the couch to pursue our higher purposes for being alive. Divine Feminine energy is the introversion of energy. It is nurturing, caring, contemplative, silent and it connects us to the world of dreams, to Source/Creator, and to one another on the deepest unconscious level. With women embodying the High Priestess archetype of the tarot, it would make sense that they would be the shamanesses of Korea as shamans heal through going into altered states of consciousness to identify and purge spiritual afflictions through soul retrieval. Hope this answers your question!

[@Zilma-jm8sz]

People who cannot astral project like you should stop spewing nonsense as if you know anything.

[@user-gx1ud6tc9u]

I think it has something to do with the yin energy, which attracts spirits better than yang energy

[@DingoNovember]

I believe it’s quite common in Asia and many Asian cultures used to be matriarch or have some traces matriarchy

[@Myothers1992]

In Philippines, we also have a female shaman called Babaylan. They are all women.

[@henrymukhia]

All Confucianist were confused😂

[@FlipTheBard]

Confucius was a moron that sought to take power and respect away from women.He must've been an incel of sorts to hate women so much that he made an entire philosophy that treated them as second-class citizens.

[@magdajuniper]

It's the same for Turks. Female shamans are always stronger and they are called Udagan. It means lady of fire. The reason why female shamans are stronger is that they can establish a better bond with nature and most of the protective spirits they call are male. In addition, Kâm's (means shaman in Turkish) dress like women and move and dance like women while performing rituals.

[@Nania777]

The first part is from the movie "Exhuma." Kim Go-eun is an excellent actress.

[@JULIETJAISON]

Can you pls tell me where I can watch it?

[@Nania777]

@@JULIETJAISON HBO Max

[@zabuzaku]

Except this all the movie is shit 😂

[@JULIETJAISON]

@@zabuzaku For me it was disappointing that Kim Go-eun didn't have much role in the ending scenes as I thought. Other than that it was overall a good movie.

[@SachiLaSenya]

in 🇯🇵 Japan, we all have both, men and female shamans and we called it イタコ(Itako). and its not as famous as in korea.. speaking about talking to spirits, we have two parts, one is Itako and other is 霊能者(Psychic) Itako usually at shrine and has some heavy training, deliver msgs from the deceased one and exorcism Psychic usually dont have to be at shrine, not usually having heavy training, (but some cases they could see something unseen and thats the training to get used to it) and these days psychic are being used for Tv channel/Yt-ers to do some tv shows/yt series.. they also can do exorcism, usually they can, but not all can do it

[@Shourya899]

Shinto or Folk Religions Shamans do Jomoan Shinto or Jomoan Folk Religions still exists and Practiced like Ryukyuan and Ainu Religions in Worldwide?

[@walangchahangyelingden8252]

Shamanism is the path of the ancestors. Although, confucianism, Ruism became standardized & taught in the Sino-sphere afterwards.

[@mingyuluvr]

it’s cool how so many cultures have female shamans cos in the place where im from in india we have male shamans but they keep their hair long cos they can’t cut it

[@pikachue602]

In shakt shaiv and Vaishnav traditions of Hinduism all three considers female deity closest... Shaiv tradition has lalleshwari the naked priestess ,who created the mystic poetic called Vatsun ,it was a movt to break down the orthodox and bring real hinduism to common people ,this style of poetry brought feminity, s*x , spirituality, equality, and justice in sync for cultural development.. In shaiv tradition,female and male are considered equal halves of each other yet shiva is shown more comfortable and humble towards the goddess... In Vaishnav traditions , goddess Radha which is laxmi is considered the ultimate form of love... In shakt tradition, shakti ie. Power or energy is itself considered feminine here comes Kaali the main goddess and her seven female Matrikas(meaning mothers) and 64 yoginis (like shiva is a yogi and so his avatara similarly shakti or Kali has different forms or followers) ,it also has female priestess more.. Ultimately this all led to indian classical dances and music to be unisexual that's there's not much difference in male and female dancer

[@shlokjha5753]

Only shaktism got feminine brahman not others tantra/shaktism are followed mostly in nepal , northeast india and parts of bihar.

[@pikachue602]

@@shlokjha5753 all the branches has given large emphasis on importance of the feminine spirituality (also don't just feminine means women it is quite different gender doesn't always devides what's feminine or what's not)

[@shadowoflight1436]

Yeah all of that bs still it took British intervention to end sati 😂 that's what happened when ur only good in fiction not in reality😂

[@shadowoflight1436]

Yeah all of that bs still it took British intervention to end sati 😂 that's what happened when ur only good in fiction not in reality

[@A.K-648]

​@@shadowoflight1436before Brits intervention there were also some people who destroyed sati pratha .

[@asenjamir5434]

I watch it last night and I'm watching it again today ....damn it's good ❤

[@riteshthapa5105]

Form where?

[@Lobster_Guy12]

Maybe Korean Shamanism and woman priest are left overs of what Korean culture use to be like before the Chinese introduce Confucianism to the Korean peninsula

[@aerokrebs9619]

One theory is, because they are seen and supposed to be the brides of the spirits or gods, and called gods' wives (Natkataw) in Burmese/Myanmar.

[@girhdudjsidbwjwo]

Shamanism is spooky and fascinating at the same time. All cultures before major religions were introduced seem to have practiced some type of shamanism. African voodoo and Incan rituals seem eerily similar, too. I don't know what to think of it, considering they worship spirits and practice witchcraft in some cases. Not a fan of paganism personally, but yes, it's interesting. Neo-Confucianism that was introduced to Korea since the 12th century brought on misogynistic practices that were far worse than those of original one from China. Korean culture and society flourished under Buddhism before Neo Confucianism came to ruin everything, including lives of women and cheomin aka people of lower cast.

[@SerbaSerbiKristen]

Indonesian shamans, especially those from the Bugis tribe, are gender neutral. Before Islam they had 5 gender divisions, and specifically shamans had to be gender neutral and dress in a mixture of masculine and feminine styles.

[@l_z1478]

Love the diversity

[@sadisticgirl_]

what were the five genders?

[@luuuuuuuuuul]

Not sure but as a Turkish i see so much similarity between Tengrism (ancient Turkic-Mongol religion) and Korean shamanism. Even the name "baksu" is same. Only difference is we call both woman and man shamans "baksu". Religious activities have been dominated by female shamans because female shamans are more powerful in shamanism. Back in the days most of male shamans practiced those rituals in female ritual clothes. This is not because there was nothing else for woman to do other than religious activities but shamanism has a matriarchal system. There are bad spirits that comes to deceive the male shamans (kara kızlar) but i have never heard a bad spirit that do the same to female shamans since they are stronger and these tricks are useless. I have seen some ancient ritual songs where male shamans complain about female dominance to the gods. They see females more powerful because they see woman as source of life. So even if they arent believer of Tengrism like Mongols or Turkics i don't think the reason why female shamans are in the majority is their patriarchal culture. Shamanism is matriarchal and cant be compared with western beliefs.

[@EnglishwithRituRai]

In Nepali too, male shaman wears female cloth(normative). But I feel it was attire without any standard set to it, and just part of the culture

[@theGhostSteward]

It makes sense of the cultural shift. In some cultures, male traits and sexual habits are perceive as dominance and in others as weakness since the same traits can be used to deceive the man, as you describe.

[@user-nj1im4gi2z]

‘ baksu’ have indo European root

[@luuuuuuuuuul]

@@user-nj1im4gi2z oh, i dont know much about it's etymology ++but we have several names for shamans. Like kam, camanbay, otagan...

[@saumyapandey2372]

Tengerism was also very similar to tantric hinduism practice in india and tantric Buddhism practice in tibet.

[@JamieBar]

In Japan, before the influence of Buddhism and Confucianism, women were much more prominent in being shamans and priestesses in Shinto. This survives today in the form of the Miko or shrine maidens at Shinto shrines. (Yes I know women can become Shinto priests too, but Shinto in its present form has been greatly influenced on some Daosim and the patriarchal influences of Buddhism and Meiji era reforms)

[@guldar360]

Apparently in Indian states of Himachal and Uttarakhand most shamans are male .

[@lvnavity5274]

Omg in Turkic languages shamans (who were also mostly women) were called BAKSI as well. It's still in use in the Kyrgyz and Kazakh languages. They are so similar with Korean i wonder if they come from the same root. Korean mandu (dumpling) and Turkish mantı is so similar as well so there may be some cultural interaction between turkic and korean people back then

[@HahnScroll]

Amazing! Korean called Turkiye 'brother country'

[@user-yh1ki1im8r]

In Burmese shaman is called god's mistress (နတ်ကတော်). So, it's simple.

[@wiwaxiasilver827]

It’s a decent analysis, but there are far more deep-rooted reasons. You see, there are some traditional aspects of the original very old Korean legends that feature the role of certain goddesses, including Sam-Shin Hal-meoni, translatable to grandmother goddess of the three realms or something similar (I too get a bit confused at times over what the “Sam” or “three” part signifies”), tied to fertility, fecundity, nurturing and safety. So, in a way similar to the Greek Delphi, women and especially elderly women can be associated with that image, even if they do serve different gods; since Sam-Shin is actually a really monumental goddess, even spiritually inclined people normally can’t really hold her essence. Common gods or spirits that the Korean shamans are said to mutually be possessed by when “Zeob-Shin”, or “meeting with/descent of god” (after previously forming a pact with a spiritually-inclined human vessel, gods use the shaman they formed a pact with as a medium to come from the spirit realm and communicate with the living) happens include the God-General (a sort of god in general attire protecting against evil spirits), spirits of familial ancestors (in traditional folklore as well as Confucianism, ancestors play a central role), guaneum-bosal (the female Buddha; “bosal” is the Korean word for “boddhisattva” which is derived from Chinese character renderings of the name; this shows a fusion with Buddhism), and notably spirits of children and infants (“dong-ja shin” or “aegi bosal”). The nature of the spirits or gods that possess the shamans can also show why women may tend to be viewed as more suitable. Not only do they represent an element of the same fertility, fecundity and nurturing protectiveness also held in the Sam-Shin goddess, but they also match the image of the female Buddha or the infant and children spirits much better, the latter as a receiving maternal role. Therefore, it’s way more complicated than just women having little social opportunities under the patriarchal system of Joseon (in fact, the mu-dang at times were oppressed as superstition during Confucian-dominant times) since the practice is way older than the introduction of Confucianism or even Buddhism into Korea. The above reasonings also explain why male shamans are rare, coupled with the patriarchy and the need for agricultural labor forces. Actually, archeology does suggest overall that the origins of patriarchal dominated systems really started mostly with the advent of agriculture, as not only did it require intensive labor in plowing the land, but gave rise to the concepts of possessions, property and war, the last one especially requiring even more labor force from strong men. In fact, matriarchal societies may have been common or even more prevalent during foraging hunter-gatherer times since small tribes of descendants could form around an elderly wise mother or grandmother that surely gave birth to them, even if paternity is uncertain, and there were little permanent things to possess for long, unlike with agriculture where one has to stick to fertile land as a lifeline and have surplus production for storage.

[@user-ss2jo9hj3p]

I WATCHED 'MAN ON THE EDGE' MOVIE A FEW NIGHTS AGO! It's Fantastic!! I really loved it, gonna watch it again. I'm happy to see it got a quick cameo in this very interested & well made video!

[@marvelfoxmorty5057]

Name of the KDrama where that eye-glass girl fire a machine gun

[@blessedeternally2666]

Eye glass girl?

[@kimji520]

Its an older KMovie called 암살 (Amsal), the eye-glass girl is Jun Jihyun

[@rashmi6127]

Thankz for asking. I wanted to know too

[@rashmi6127]

​@@kimji520thanks

[@sitanshuchoudhary25d]

I find Shaminism having resemblance to some of the practices in Hinduism here in India. So people have their ancestors then small deities then demigods then gods and then above all the almighty Brahman. Some people are able to connect with these small deities by doing specific rituals. These small deities then may enter the physical realm and can effect some spheres of life. In Abhramic terms we can call them angels which come to earth to help out the devotees who need help. Atleast that is the concept in Hinduism and specific individuals practice rituals on special occasions. Don't know how much similar is Shamanism to these practices.

[@shadowoflight1436]

Lol no shamanism is tribalistic since that's older than any formed religion it's hav.e it's roots in modern Hinduism

[@anitha2053]

In every religion there's a belief in God and demon so it's there in Hinduism too.

[@Chess-pleasure]

Actually unlike Europe, middle East we we were female domination. In Bengal we worship Ma durga , in Assam , garo... They also female dominated I think Bengal to East Asia was female dominated atleast equal.

[@DixieTsutsaeva]

So fascinating to hear about the Mudang! I'm dying to know what that last song was, looks and sounds amazing

[@user-hx7mp9cs2p]

A year ago I had the honor to participate in a Gut that did mudang in Seoul. It was really amazing and special, very powerful the Korean government is very ambivalent about shamanism and only recently they started to be open to it.

[@Tamujin]

in nepal, especially from the Magar tribe. They have women as shamans

[@meomeo7758]

In northern and north-central Vietnam (including Huế), the Mẫu belief (belief of mother) is also held by female shamans or male that act like female.

[@sakurakitsune6947]

Confusionism😂😂😂😂

[@srinidhiv6589]

Does anyone know about the song playing at the very end? I really want to know its name!!

[@HahnScroll]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYGUdKGNfptlf80si=nTh8xmlOht1VD8E1

[@NatalieAliciaNorment]

This gives me an idea for a Korean dark fantasy serial novel series. Thank you for sharing this info.

[@AkumuYami-eh1vc]

Well after watching EXhuman i couldn't sleep that night i was having nightmares. Still now this movie discomforts me but its a really good move.

[@Chicken_noodle_soup20]

Really? I slept well😂

[@lalalachimolalaa]

In Uttarakhand, North India, there most of them are female shamans.

[@oceanlaishram9021]

She looks majestic

[@lolodaloco6385]

I’m glad that they’re doing that. happy to see people reconnecting with their roots ❤

[@sam6780]

in hinduism we have a concept call "bhor kora/howa" moments when female goddess are believed to come down for some time wothin a human being [mostly female]...... love from bengal

[@aajanvihussain020]

In India, people who perform such rituals are called taantrik or baba (in common), they basically perform black magic kind of stuff either for good deeds or bad deeds, like they have 2 types good ones and bad ones , and good ones help people from bad energies with connecting to god and pure energies// and bad ones take help from evil energies to make sure the work is done in return they get what they want ( evil spirits)

[@Sleepyirishcoffee]

There is no good magic, only bad

[@victory_is_ours22]

The Shamans that is discussing here is mostly woman Shaman that's possessed mostly by ancestral indigenous Gods/Goddess. Since woman are most vulnerable to spirit possession having high intuition and sensitive to energy. Shaman is completely different from tantric baba the one that you're mentioning. The latter is more similar to Pagan's rituals dealing with evil spirits/ witchcraft.

[@alora9829]

​@@Sleepyirishcoffeepraying to God and wishing for miracle is magic for your knowledge. Your projecting your conscious desire into divine supreme .

[@Sleepyirishcoffee]

@@alora9829 That is a miracle, magic is witchcraft and demonic, used to harm others

[@tomorrow.]

In India shamans are different in different cultures. It's not always about black magic. There are god's possessions as well in South and northeast

[@gwenethp511]

One of my grandmother's sisters spent all of her money at a shaman. Got into extreme debt because of it. So even though after my grandmother married an American and moved to America (with all her sisters following her), my great-aunt still found a shaman here and continued to spend money... so whenever my mom and I watch K-Drama and a shaman pops up, my dad gets really upset. I've been finding out more about Korean shamanism and stuff like that and have to hide it from my father (despite being a grown woman). Needless to say, I can't show this short to him. Or my grandmother. Or any of my other great-aunts, haha.

[@alquimista2996]

that sounds like a case of spiritual OCD

[@truffles365]

Them showing Knowing Bros as the cultural heritage example lmfao😂

[@SteviiLove]

This comment section has been really insightful and I don't mean that sarcastically.

[@The_poetic_club]

In India we have the same the shaman's who are women are called pahaln while the male shaman's are known as ojha but in InDian the shaman culture is dominated by the pahaln's ojha are very less in no. Here

[@wyrdofmeh]

this shamanism predates confucianism.

[@malviprakash511]

Whats the link to the song in the last 2 seconds?

[@user-fl9zh5nv6q]

There is a theory that Korean shamanism originated from the primitive matriarchal society. Additionally, some aspects of the Manchurian nomads' primitive beliefs remain because the Korean founder is a a collateral line of the primitive nomadic peoples that originated from Manchuria. The long-term continental beliefs like Buddhism and Confucianism were also blended in the shamanistic faith, as Koreans were believed to have transformed into the settlement race about 3000 years ago. It also appears to be closer to Buddhism in general. Even among Korean scholars, there is no clear answer to its origin or form.

[@sc4848]

Anyone knows where the scene of the girl jumping on top of the ceiling with the machine gun is from??

[@cherrytv3]

Assassination (2015) movie

[@sc4848]

@@cherrytv3 thank you 👍🏼

[@oimeh3547]

Does anyone know what the movie or show is for the one with the rooftop guns in this short?

[@cherrytv3]

Assassination (2015) movie

[@endrio_endermite9612]

Im Burmese, and this parallel exists here too. The belief is that men cannot surrender to Nats (or spirits). So men working in the industry have to be gay men or men dressed as women. Our shamanism works this way : NatKadaws ( Spirit mediums ) are possessed by Nats that puts those NatKadaws into a trance-like state where they sing words of worship and praises to Nats, which in return gives prophecies and blessings to those who worship the Nat and the Medium who is possesed during the occasion. In our form of buddhism, men are considered more "holy" and such have difficulties being possessed by Nats ( spirits ). So men who are spirit mediums have to become "Less Holy", so they wear and act as women.

[@viphyunminji]

from which movie/drama is Han Hyo-joo's clip?

[@raukmineya_priyadarshini]

In Hinduism, Goddesses were always worshipped in Ang Bang and Kaling (Bihar + Jharkhand, Bengal and Odisha - four states of India in present day). I am Bihari. I have witnessed my family worshiping Goddess Kaali on Diwali festival for 2 days. It's a fond memory for me from my childhood. Durga Puja still exists in West Bengal (Durga is a Hindu Goddess). In Hinduism (where there are multiple sects dedicated to multiple deities), there's a whole sect where Goddesses are primary deities. The name of the sect is 'Shakt' sampraday. (Sampraday means sect). Shakt sect is where Shakti - primordial energy (which means Goddess) who runs the world, is worshipped. Moreover, even if we talk about other sects, we take the name of Goddess (Prakriti) before the God's (Purush) name. Like Radha Krishna Uma Shankar Siya Ram Rukmini Vitthal Bhavani Shankar Lakshmi Narayan Vani Brahma or Vani Prajapati Shachi Mahendra and so on... Prakriti Purush or Ardhnari concept is very similar to Chinese concept of Yin and Yang. Scriptures say there's no difference between Prakriti Purush. If Purush / God is Sun, Prakriti is its rays. Prakriti / Goddess resides in the heart of Purush. Both male and female deities worship and compliment each other. In our scriptures, there's even the concept of Ardh Narishwar. Ardh means half, Nari means woman and ishwar means God. It means the God who is half female. So men and female were treated as pars - equal. In our scriptures, equality of yin and yang is mentioned even in Lakshmi Narayan from Kurm Puran. In India, Goddesses have even Shaktipeethas of themselves. They have indeoendent temples where they're worshipped. Non - Indians can send me their questions below.

[@redfullmoon]

But this video is not about goddesses it is about women shamans and priestesses who officiate rituals between man and God.

[@raukmineya_priyadarshini]

@@redfullmoon yeah but shamans too are controlled by Goddesses. In shamanism there are many goddesses.

[@AngelLili1]

Names of movies u used pls?

[@NellyMouse]

Min Hee Jin of Ador where are you at🤣🤣🤣

[@axelgpratama1707]

Just a question.. wich drama the female gunner with glasses from???😅

[@lynette365247]

It's an older K-Movie called 암살 (Amsal), the girl is Jun Jihyun

[@Shourya899]

@@lynette365247 Yes

[@shepnpep]

name of the movie/show with the girl with the gun on the roof?

[@user-fl9zh5nv6q]

I'm Korean, and I'm skeptical of exorcism. However, there is a Western scholar who published a thesis on Korean exorcism, which said that Korean exorcism is psychopathologically influential. They put a lot of effort into it for a long time, inject shocking scenes and sounds, and continue to imply it. That way, the subject will have a powerful "reverse trauma," which will help erase the trauma. In other words, Korean exorcism can actually work if the real problem is "a problem caused by some kind of trauma or strong negative self-implication." It's like a kind of loud hypnosis. Of course, this is not a well-known piece of information in Korea, and it's actually just a weak inference, but it could be explained as one of the reasons why primitive beliefs still survived in modern Korea, if it actually helped people by chance.

[@miliarsema6339]

lol Shamans are such taboo in my country of Christian and Muslim majority😂 So, watching K-dramas, I find it quite intriguing how there’s such a difference of lifestyle and values in this small world.

[@varshinisathyavelu7497]

Its really nice that youre actually taking a step to learning about different cultures♥️♥️♥️

[@alekhyan9443]

Obsessed with the BGM song 😅

[@codygreyeyes1610]

That first one reminds me i should go to the sweat lodge this week. Darn that is so similar.

[@shinza8861]

In the Philippines we have Babaylans but are mostly forgotten

[@linthoisanasam9734]

As a Manipuri (north east Indian), we have female shamans called Maibi(s). They serve God and perform all rituals. There are also male shamans called maiba(s) but mostly the women dominate.

[@Shourya899]

Sanamahism ❤❤

[@givasoram6295]

We have Women Shamans too... The rituals, dances and chanting style are very similar with Korean, Japanese and ours.

[@nunyabiznes33]

That last bit about the male shamans reminded me of pre-Hispanic Philippines. The shamans are mostly female and males that are in occupation dress like women coz it seems femininity is a part of the ritual. Maybe these are very old traditions in Asia before male-dominated ideologies (Confusianism, Islam, Christianity...) were introduced.

[@sujinkim7810]

comfusionism are dominant way later than Korean shamanism. Shamanism was there at the biginning of Korean history. Ofc, shamanism were considered as wrong thing when confusionism ruled Korea, Joseon dynasty, But the important thing is Shamanism was with people way before confusianism.

[@oomorioni6784]

who was that woman shooting the gun on the rooftops? that was so cool!

[@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571]

A similar thing seems to be the case with the Nordic practitioners of seidr. Women and effeminate men

[@ImLucyguesswhereiamfrom]

In my country also we have them.

[@l_z1478]

Well, actually if we look back to old times i somehow always get a mindset that most shaman/magic related stuff often linked with female somehow ,maybe bc female have the power of creation / ability to give birth

[@yong-jumudanghealingdance4739]

Korean shamanism was the first religion found in Korea. Mudangs were counseling the king in the periods of Silla and Goryeo. Confuciusm stripped mudangs from their status and brought them down to the level of courtesans. Men didn't like women holding more power than them.

[@separatista]

What is the movie of the woman with the machine gun and yellow scarf?