Why Legacy Works (And Resurrection Doesn't)

Death is pretty common for superheroes. If one of them bites it, they’ll likely be back on store shelves before you know it. With no real consequences, it’s hard to get invested nowadays. But some stories don’t pull their punches - when someone goes down, they stay down, and it’s up to the rest of the cast to pick up the pieces.
I much prefer to see the impact a character’s death has on others, rather than bringing them back for shock and awe. Someone taking their place and struggling to live up to their example. People who remember their actions and are forever changed by them. The fading of a name into legend. A tangible absence can be much stronger in a story than a hollow presence.
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[@ravsucks]

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[@Universeknight10055]

@@ravsucks great videos and keep make more great videos

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

JoJo taught us so much with how to finish and continue a story (just dont do a jojo ending because im still mad at that ending)

[@ravsucks]

@@dr.wolfstar1765 YOOO I SHOULD’VE TALKED ABOUT PART 6

[@pisaschitt787]

What's there to be mad about part 6 ending? The characters are still what they are except Pucci didn't exist in that universe anymore. Our beloved jojo's except for jolyne were still practically the same

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

Same for doctor who and Yu-Gi-Oh!

[@Magnet_Chaos]

​@@pisaschitt787 2 words. Foo Fighters. 😢

[@connyslayer4661]

Jojo is a perfect example because it knows how to do it. Many series fail in keeping or continuing legacies or have imbalance. Jojo makes sure every old and new characters and stories are valued and important. This is why I love Jojo so much. The main and the side characters with the stories are memorable.

[@GoldLight73]

Reminds me of how so many people refused to give Pokémon Horizons a chance just because Ash isn’t the MC anymore.

[@p_rnhub]

We like what we like, I see no issue

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

Which is hilarious because I bet some of those same fans that are complaining about Ash leaving, were probably the same ones complaining that Ash was the main character for 25 years.

[@Sxmmjrsx]

I've actually never seen someone complain that ash was the mc for so long I've seen people complain they haven't aged him up and make the show slightly more mature and dive more into a shonen seinen side ​@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache

[@NaughtiusMaximmus]

​@@Sxmmjrsx I've seen both and I think it all boils down to the anime having, like, 25 seasons with Ash

[@workemail8723]

​@@SxmmjrsxMe, he is talking about ME! Ash was a loser. The only reason I don't watch the new show is because I am a grown man with no kids. It just doesn't appeal to me.

[@skylandersfan6954]

A really good example of legacy is in Lego Monkie Kid with the Lady Bone Demon. Despite being killed at the end of season 3, she still leaves an incredible impact on MK, the main character, due to her ideals and the memories he has of her that he suffers from. Its really good

[@ravsucks]

@@skylandersfan6954 never watched lego monkie kid but i only ever see and hear that it’s peak

[@tuskact4425]

​@@ravsucks it is peak, and prob the best Lego show ever

[@wander7812]

Japan's equivalent of the MCU, and the symbol of Superman is a superhero and franchise known as "Kamen Rider", and its SO much about legacy, that some "Kamen Riders" have little to no connection to one another, but recieve the title of Kamen Rider anyways to homenage the first vigilante; Kamen Rider. And just like the MCU and DC each has a different lore - one can be a paranormal being while the other is man-made, and another is a alien. Yet, they're all A Kamen Rider.

[@JennyBlaze253]

Glad someone here brought up Kamen Rider. I absolutely adore the franchise, and while we don't usually see the original that often (unless it's some big event) all the Riders feel like Riders. They have a special legacy to uphold, being the heroes of Japan and beyond. The name Kamen Rider brings with it its own honor. It's a promise to fight for the people and defeat anyone who dares to threaten the Earth, even if it costs their life. That is what it means to be a Kamen Rider.

[@yamadawaver9317]

​@JennyBlaze253 yeah but many of the villains also bear the name of Kamen Rider, especially the trend of having the final boss be a Kamen Rider. I get that it's for business but it did degrade the honor and legacy that the name have

[@kennethsatria6607]

Im pretty sure the Japanese Superman is Ultraman, and yes he also has loads of legacy characters

[@vardiganxpl1698]

​@@kennethsatria6607Kamen Rider is more universal in Japan compared to Ultraman, Ultraman is more or less just a Kaiju hero. Whilst Kamen Rider is the gold standard hero. You can even see it many other animes and mangas, in where they want to have a stand in hero, who is standard and straight forward, it is Kamen Rider, even Power Rangers were based off of Kamen Rider

[@Z_User-d5e]

​@@vardiganxpl1698Correction: Power Rangers are based on Super Sentai. Kamen Rider inspired Masked Rider, tho..

[@DecadeNeo21]

Which is why I've kind of loved Japanese Heroes like Kamen Rider,Ultraman,and Super Sentai they continue what their predacessors do but add their own twist to it each new season

[@st4pps]

man it feels weird hearing someone say something good about Korra

[@ravsucks]

@@st4pps i’m not a big fan of the first two seasons but i still think it deserves more love

[@pn2294]

@@ravsucksI honestly like it more than the later seasons

[@JennyBlaze253]

Korra honestly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I love both Avatar and Korra, but Korra wins out a bit more for me.

[@LuarIbriqi-qf4fh]

​@@JennyBlaze253 Yea the Korra hate is crazy.

[@kennethsatria6607]

I always liked it, its not perfect but neither was the original Avatar, also its production was basically always made a hell by Nickelodeon always demanding a continuation at the last second after the last season ended or was well received enough. In reality they only planned the first book, the rest were the crew trying to keep things going because of demand, and for the most part I think they made the best effort they could.

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

I always will prefer legacy, and continue the legacy of a character before revive the character and keep that going FOREVER, Korra to me was an excellent take on legacy and despite she wasn't as good as Aang I think that was the point, no one can replace Aang, but neither no one can replace Korra they both are their own person, that's the magic of taking the mantle, I also like stories that take place YEARS of difference so each character live in it´s own time line, I think this is why Characters like Gohan, Wally and many ended failing at some point, as at any time the MAIN here could return and because the main hero is way more popular as fans always have the constant reminded of how good the main guy was and he is sometimes even keep CLOSE (Goku for example) and that comparison not help the new legacy hero, while in the case of Korra Aang was long gone, and the Avatar system prevents one avatar and the next interact with each other physically the only way they can interact is spiritually, and probably the best decision now in hindsight the creators took was severed the connection of Korra with her former lives so there was no way to keep comparing Aang directly with Korra.

[@ravsucks]

@@Kusanagikaiser999 yeah, having a way for the old character to return will always leave their fans expecting it to happen. ig that’s why legacy characters aren’t always as popular in comics, because no one expects it to stick

[@BasilBenedictLacandalo-d8c]

Of course there are people who would dislike a knew character but with time and the character's development, we can learn to appreciate and even admire them. Just like when we admire someone from the history books.

[@garywillig5143]

Death in comics became meaningless, really everything in comics became meaningless, the moment Marvel decided to bring Jean Grey back and say she was never even in the Dark Phoenix Saga. After that, it became safe to kill off characters left and right for diminishing shock value since the precedent of bringing them back was set, and every short-sighted editor was free to kill or destroy any character he disliked. Resurrection then became the only way to fix bad stories, even as it continued to cheapen everything. In an ideal world, only deaths that are handled horribly would be undone, while deaths that become classic stories would stick. Unfortunately, it's only the worst-written deaths that have even a chance of lasting.

[@gamesaurs1542]

This can also be added on with old, more obscured characters being only brought back as canon fodder to be killed and stay dead forever. Both Marvel and DC have done this with characters that most have completely forgotten about. Thus they die and leave no legacy behind. They too died for simple shock value.

[@connyslayer4661]

Good criticism and I definitely agree about the fact that many deaths can be lazy and used for shock value. Thing is Death should be meaningful and affect the story properly despite any resurrection or other happenings. Its a writing issue and intention issue more than anything.

[@kwayneboy1524]

I hope with this as the recent view than writers will learn to keep some characters dead such as Alfred. But I do think Death and resurrection for certain characters can at least provide a chance for interesting character development such as for Damien Wayne and Jason Todd

[@theflameviper2154]

Ha Code Geass is a pretty good example of this. It has both legacy and... resurrection. But in my opinion handles it somewhat well as it still ends up sort of the same way with the world not really knowing about him being back. And that being a whole different timeline completely.

[@ru_gamerandotaku2431]

This is personally why i would love to see a batman, superman and wonder woman new trinity like every peice of ground work is already set for them to let go of the mantle like have nightwing be his own version of batman, have superboy (Conner specifically the YJ ver.) finally get his full power set and become the new superman and have wonder woman i really don't know if she has a apprentice if i remember correctly there was wonder girl (i think that's her name and that she appeared in YJ) be the new wonder woman and finally have them take take care of damian, john and lizzie, the ground workis all set for a awesome passing of the torch but sadly i think it will never happen as DC is afraid of change especially with those 3

[@johnthai6188]

i feel like when dc tries to move on, they can't because the fans want the old characters again. for example the time when nightwing became batman for a time, was really cool and made sense that dick would be next in line to take the mantel, but fans didn't want to read about dick grayson being batman; they cared about bruce being batman and only bruce can be batman. in their eyes, what makes batman interesting, is the psychology of bruce wayne - not the next person wearing the mask. same thing can be said for any old hero that dc haven't retired yet.

[@judahdar6552]

I actually love that superman resuractated becuase unlike with Barry, The writers from the start planned that to be temporary. Plus, those four characters endup doing something intersting when superman return, espcially steel. If for example, All star superman or Whatever happened to the Man Of Tomorrow, were part of continuity, I would agree with you, but with The Death of Superman, hard pass. Anyway, love the video.

[@connyslayer4661]

Thank you! I absolutely agree. I needed to say that and thank you for expressing how I thought as well. I love Superman resurrection because it brought Superman back but also created other super characters that were amazing in their own ways as well. Eradicator, Steel, Super girl, power girl and Super boy are all famous respected characters.

[@kwayneboy1524]

At least from what I've seen as of recent years Barry has retired and Wally is the Flash

[@thesergalladaf6902]

Makes me think of MLP FIM. It really changed a big part of the world. But all good things must come to an end. Yet every MLP fan refuse to accept the spectacular ending it has and some are willing it to keep going (believe me I think it’s the worser path).

[@carrot708]

I haven't seen much hate of the ending (other than I don't think it needed to flash forward that far. Six months would have been fine) but the finale itself was a three-episode story crammed into two, and they way it resolved the villians and Discord sucked. The Treehouse of Harmony wasn't used at all.

[@uhobme2028]

As I grow older, I find i'm more likely to return to an "ended" story through a proper legacy sequel than a resurrected continuation regardless of how good the latter ends up being. I like worlds that, while their influence is present, can move past their characters.

[@wolfshade5020]

The same can be said about legacy characters. There are some legacy characters that make sense that are written well such as Wally West becoming The Flash after Crisis on Infinite Earths, Terry McGinnis becoming Batman, Miguel O’Hara being Spider-Man in 2099 but then there are some where there wasn’t really much thought put into it, the character didn’t earn it, or the character needs to have another title for validation that they matter like Riri Williams becoming Ironheart, or Falcon becoming Captain America

[@ravsucks]

@@wolfshade5020 I wish I had done Batman Beyond in this video! I like the way the MCU version of Falcon as Captain America was handled, but I don’t know enough about the comics version to discuss it. Nor do I know much of anything about Ironheart.

[@giosbizarreart9048]

Falcon as cap made sense in both the comics and mcu tho

[@ride-playerbb2818]

As much as I love Geoff Johns' run on the Green Lantern, I believe bringing back Hal Jordan was a huge mistake, especially since it comes at the cost of his successor Kyle, who was still around, but was just there. Although Kyle's transformation to a White Lantern did alleviate this somewhat, there still wasn't much done with the character and he was later relegated back to being just another Green Lantern. (Same with Guy Gardner. He should've just stayed a Red Lantern)

[@omeganeoz]

Facts, and if theyre gonna come back atleast hint at the possibility of how before their death even happens

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

My favourite legacy character will forever be Spider-Girl. When I first read her comics I thought that was the current Marvel universe, but much to my surprise, it turns out it was set in a different universe. It always felt perfect that Peter's daughter, Mayday would be the one who would carry on the legacy of Spider-Man. Unfortunately in the current Marvel comics, to make sure Spider-Man is "relatable" they undid his marriage by making a deal with the fu*king devil, and now Spider-Man is in a sad state in comics because Marvel has refused to let him grow as a character.

[@ravsucks]

@@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache I don’t keep up with comics but I saw a retcon that Mephisto made the deal in “One More Day” to get rid of Mayday, which is really cool to me

[@Bruh-Moment435]

Resurrection can work for me but only if there are stakes to the resurrection. With Red Hood he comes back as a foe to Batman and it's done well so it feels there is significance and ramifications to it. That being said I don't like how later he just becomes a batfamily hero who's just kind of edgy, if Red Hood had stayed as a primarily opposition for Bruce long term I would've liked that more tbh

[@ravsucks]

agree, red hood was done so well that they adapt the storyline every few years

[@connyslayer4661]

Exactly! Resurrection can be done well if it has great set ups and great writing with a lot of stakes that make more sense. Resurrection itself is not bad but should be done properly. Writing and set ups can make any legacy and resurrection story great.

[@RaiginAnimator]

6:20 This was so FUNNY a spectacular depiction of marvel vs Spider-Man

[@ravsucks]

@@RaiginAnimator was prob my favorite part to make, it was going to be simpler but the paul joke had to be made

[@ZephyrBW]

1:18 one of the many reasons I was so disappointed with the CW's flash not let Wally be the Flash.

[@Paradox-es3bl]

Funny thing is, I grew up with Wally in JL TAS and didn't even realize it wasn't Barry. I know his name is said a couple of times, at least... and there's scenes like Luthor after swapping bodies pulling off his mask and being like, "Who the Hell is this?" and showing his RED hair, so he's clearly not Barry... and yet, I guess I somehow forgot all of that. Because Barry was The Flash. Somehow, I knew several superhero identities despite basically never touching a comic (besides Spider-Man and Simpsons which isn't exactly relevant) and the one I learned for Flash was Barry. And that's what stuck. For YEARS. Honestly, I think it was around the time of CW Flash premiering that I learned there was another Flash (not Kid Flash) considered to basically just be THE Flash. Unlike basically everyone else, where there's almost exclusively 1 main version, except for things like Green Lantern which is an ENTIRE Corps so it can be MANY, especially since they're basically universal police (or at least galactic)... so I basically always knew Hal and John... but yeah. Weird how Flash kinda has 2 main versions.

[@Mememan4512]

I think the franchise that makes the legacy thing works is probably Castlevania and jjba they move forward the story by either showing us their descendants or by giving a family heirloom to a friend or apprentice that continues the story with them

[@alphaprometheus2330]

Gurren lagunn is the only anime or series that has made me genuinley cry

[@ziro0798]

Gurren Lagan mentioned, sub given

[@ZephyrBW]

Makes ya appreciate one piece even more

[@ravsucks]

One Piece deserves its own video

[@ZephyrBW]

@@ravsucks Oh yes that it does.

[@CoolMan24-vh4qv]

You are very underrated I hope you find success in your career

[@ravsucks]

@@CoolMan24-vh4qv thank you!!

[@luisfernan-s7731]

The Red ribbon army is quite an example, but Frieza, tho... that dude resurrected 2 times and just to be killed again. Frieza's legacy kinda fell off (kinda because of later episodes of the manga since broly) because even if he gets a revival, it will only be just to get beat up... and beat up hard HARD. With gohan is understandable because in the cell saga often emphasizes on how Gohan is not like Goku, how he thinks, how he fights, or how he lives, he was raised to be a nerd because he was mostly with chi-chi so he was gonna slack off because off because of that lifestyle. It doesn't matter if he gets a power up. He will still slack off because he has a normal life style.

[@ravsucks]

@@luisfernan-s7731 I only liked Resurrection F because Frieza was my favorite villain, but it definitely cheapened his threat a lot. I’m not a big fan of Dragon Ball Super. It makes sense why Gohan wouldn’t succeed, but it at least felt like they could’ve been building up to it in the Buu saga, before the ‘Ultimate Gohan’ plot got dropped pretty quickly.

[@samarth2070]

Good content videos like these are hard to find these days, keep it up ❤

[@ravsucks]

@@samarth2070 thank you

[@dumi_chenu3730]

Man,why do the smaller creators always come up with the most banger videos?

[@ravsucks]

@@dumi_chenu3730 everyone starts somewhere

[@connyslayer4661]

​@@ravsucksHighly agreed and I wish you all the best. Keep up the beautiful work! I love videos and discussions like this.

[@chronred8190]

honestly a way they could bring a character back repeatedly that would make sense is to keep doing it in some other form-first they are normal to some extent; then they get resurrected by some sort of experiment or whatever, becoming incredibly overpowered; then they are resurrected the normal way; but from that point outward they could then end up existing as a spirit once they die; then as a fragment of their spirit, possibly having to piece themselves back by searching for other fragments in some form or another; after which they are back as a spirit that may or may not be able to interact with the physical world and maybe have a physical form; then the spirit could be torn into multiple entities for extended periods of times when seemingly defeated, like each part representing a certain idea, or a certain emotion-you get the point/picture that way it's always something new; not just repeating the same thing over and over again with no flavor or originality

[@QuestionMarks420]

YOU AIN'T SLICK WITH THAT KOF OST, I gotta see some combos or something on this channel

[@ravsucks]

@@QuestionMarks420 lmao, sadly I don’t know too much about KOF besides Terry (filthy smash player), but it found its way into my recommended

[@deandredukes95]

Showed up in my recommendation and wanted to leave a like 👍

[@ravsucks]

@@deandredukes95 glad to grace your feed, hope you liked it!

[@connyslayer4661]

This was a great video that came in my recommended and this is a great topic and video overall. Although, there are sone cases when either can work or don't work at all. I'd say Legacies are very important and can work greatly if it extends the characters and their universe in beautiful ways however, there are ways to resurrections correctly as well. Any type of lazy legacies or resurrections will obviously fail if it's Not done properly to express itself. There can also be legacies and resurrections side by side done properly. It takes great writing and management of the characters so each of them shines well. Perfect examples of these for me are Super sentai, Batman Beyond, Kamen Rider, Superman legacy and resurrections, Ultraman and Transformers even. Some aspects of Dragonball Super are amazing despite its flaws as well. The new gen characters get to shine too The reason I say this because they continue legacy of the main important characters with other great characters but also bring back classic characters to work with them. Management and balance is important.

[@ravsucks]

@@connyslayer4661 Very true. How it’s executed is very important - I just see resurrections be very lazy or contrived more often than not. A legacy character can be a terrible follow up to their predecessor - for a while, Supergirl was some shape-shifting AI thing? And the third Ant-Man spied on women in the shower. I wish I had mentioned Batman Beyond! Definitely my biggest regret with the video. Oh, and thank you!

[@connyslayer4661]

@@ravsucks Definitely agreed and well said. Both can be done well but should be done with great effort and care overall. Ideas can be anything but execution is very important. Also, I am glad Supergirl and Antman became much better than before and became well established with some other legacy characters as well like Blue Beetle 3 and Miguel o Hara As Spiderman 2099 etc. Yes, Batman beyond is brilliant and you are very welcome! Keep up the beautiful work!

[@zolden37]

What about Batman Beyond?

[@ravsucks]

@@zolden37 kicking myself for not thinking of this

[@connyslayer4661]

Thank you for mentioning Batman Beyond as I thought of it and mentioned it as well. One of the greatest continuation and legacy stories ever made. It gave Terry the spotlight but also respected Bruce and his legacy.

[@zolden37]

@@connyslayer4661 I think it’s definitely one of greats

[@connyslayer4661]

@@zolden37 Oh yes absolutely. One of the greatest media in existence especially based on Comics, Batman and cyberpunk

[@sanketvaria9734]

I never thought I would agree but you are right to the each cell of my body.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

7:50: That example of filler is the kind of filler that actually fits in the overall narrative and I wish if filler somehow become a thing again in anime, that's the route they take. Not a bunch of stupid poorly written arcs but a few episodes here and there which either give us a glimpse of what's coming or just how a past events effect a character. This is why I refuse to consider episodes in Western cartoons that aren't super focused on the main plot as filler, not only because that term is hardly used for anything other than anime but because such episodes in Western cartoons have a lot more meaning and usefulness than most(but not all) anime filler.

[@Konstant]

Quick! ; Someone toward this to DC because clearly they don’t get it

[@heartbae87]

heavy disagree on korra being a good successor but its a decade old debate so i wont even bother arguing

[@MelchVagquest]

Um, actually, Simon's name is pronounced: "See-Moan" in Gurren Lagann

[@ravsucks]

@@MelchVagquest oops my bad

[@crimsonzone8984]

I see what you did there, Japan.

[@truthspreader1996]

@@crimsonzone8984 What are you talking about?

[@crimsonzone8984]

@@truthspreader1996 you know what moan means, do you?

[@truthspreader1996]

@@crimsonzone8984 Yes, a long, low sound.......what of it???

[@CR-Nova]

This can apply to video game franchises that never got a "proper finish," due to having a sudden absence out of nowhere *cough* F-Zero (mainly the 3D titles) *cough* Right now, lots of indie successors are on the rise (by that I mean stuff that's actually accurate in feel to the original games and not just general antigravity racing games). Their legacies can be felt in how the developers of those titles build on a foundation, and just improve in areas F-Zero never got a chance to. Heck, this goes for others that only get rereleases and no new installments or other titles that have never gotten an opportunity to succeed (such as Chibi-Robo). Itt's not that they're to replace what was lost, but enhance the legacy of what came before. To be what their predecessors never got a chance to be in life.

[@warrenbradford2597]

A character death is pointless if you cannot stop resurrecting said character and let a legacy character develop. I say that is why alternate continuities are made for. I say confirm popular characters' deaths be in an alternate continuity and are non-canon to the main continuity. This way, you will have both the original character you can use as much as you want and a legacy character you can use in any crossover opportunity.

[@spincycle6724]

Honestly it depends for exmaple Batman,Goku,James Bond,Naruto

[@animeboy200p2]

The problem about resurrection is it make emotional moments feel pointless and for most time dragon ball characters death are emotional sometimes but it all ruined by then reviving them that why future trunks timeline was done right they let death have a meaning instead of wishing characters whi arent relevant to the story

[@ravsucks]

@@animeboy200p2 fr, future gohan’s death can’t be topped

[@ScottFree-r6l]

The KOF ost is perfect considering KOF changes protagonists every five games.

[@brainstorm9560]

9:51: Hasbro tried something similar in the 80s by killing off Optimus Prime and making Rodimus the new flagship character for The Transformers but Optimus had become so popular at that point that the showrunners decided to bring him back by the end of season 3.

[@johnthai6188]

also not a lot of fans liked rodimus.

[@mello.art0]

This video showed up on my home feed the topic was really interesting , I am glad I clicked on the video its such a great idea. I can see this video taking off

[@ravsucks]

@@mello.art0 i’m glad you liked it!!

[@ppulchritudinouss]

It’s important for us fans to witness the impact left by these strong heroics. When these industries bring our heroes back to life again and again- the lessons they try to portray feel almost meaningless.

[@curtisthomas2084]

I wish gohan was fleshed out as the main character rather than be the recreation of goku. He could have been future gohan or nightwing replacing Batman with red hood as an antagonist

[@yeeessimusprime3422]

Man Gurren Lagann is so good. I need to rewatch it, even if I’m not the biggest fan of the ending (I do think it’s good but it was the first anime I finished and I was very upset about that ending at the time lol). It’s so good and with the recent release of studio triggers 40th anniversary transformer special I want trigger to make their own transformer series.

[@tintor2]

Basically why Dragon Ball Super keeps milking the cow

[@TheGameCouncilor]

issue with kora is ang was a kid when left, so his death is like bullshit, so this kora stuff doesnt hit because e diddnt see his pressence effect on the world in life to compare or appriciate in death

[@lime8823]

It’s so weird being old enough to hear someone else making a KZbin video that they in fact grew up with the kinda crappy CW show as their intro to the flash. I also grew up with it and I love it. Barry will always be my flash.

[@ravsucks]

@@lime8823 I’ll stand by Seasons 1-2, but it was hard to watch after that… still loved Zoom and how the show used him after his defeat

[@lime8823]

@@ravsucks yeah that’s very true. Even Savitar wasn’t bad even. It really started going down hill the second they started matching the flash up with the guy in the wheelchair.

[@ravsucks]

@@lime8823 I liked the idea of non-speedster villains but they could’ve done so much better than Devoe

[@Goblin_Hater_37]

I was watching Gurren lagann a few weeks ago before watching this and turns out I stopped right at episode 8, I ended up just binging the entire series after that. And damn was it ever good And this is written like 2 hours after finishing it all

[@ravsucks]

@@Goblin_Hater_37 i watched it all in one day and my mind was blown

[@parisulki729]

Interesting thoughts!

[@StalxD]

Gurren lagann is just goated 10/10 anime

[@ravsucks]

facts

[@jon3s201]

DO THE IMPOSSIBLE SEE THE INVINCIBLE

[@johnthai6188]

i feel like the big 2 tries to move on, but can't because the fans want the old characters again. for example the time when nightwing became batman for a time, was really cool and made sense that dick would be next in line to take the mantel, but fans didn't want to read about dick grayson being batman; they cared about bruce being batman and only bruce can be batman. in their eyes, what makes batman interesting, is the psychology of bruce wayne - not the next person wearing the mask. same thing can be said for spider-man or any old hero that dc/marvel haven't retired yet.

[@matthewmccoyd2578]

So if resurrections are a no-go, then how about reincarnations, like Soma Cruz from Castlevania? Or alternate universes/timelines?

[@ravsucks]

@@matthewmccoyd2578 I don’t think resurrections are entirely a no-go, I just think they’re overused and don’t have proper build up most of the time. Goku’s first resurrection, for example - perfectly justified. He spent the whole year preparing for it. His second time? Bit more shoehorned, so he could replace Gohan. As for reincarnations, I think it’s a cool twist. Alternate universes, as with the RDJ example, can cheapen the death and absence of a character. But like I said, it’s all about context. The Flash did alternate universe versions well (for a time…) with Harrison Wells, by making them very distinct from each other.

[@Eroil]

Mistborn, an incredible book series by Brandon Sanderson also uses this incredibly well. A character in the first book changes how the whole story progresses.

[@AniZock]

Did you ever heard the tale of Kelsier the Survivor ? Its not a Tale an Manga or series consumer would tell. It is written in the cosmere a place with powers so strong and varied , that some would call it unnatural .......

[@colinmorgan3308]

Maybe that’s why I didn’t like the mha war ark, too many revivals, ifykyk

[@CYLok]

The problem with Comics... Is there are stagnant... The same character has been there for near a century... Manga have tons of new innovation, and keep having new story.

[@michaelkeha]

I mean using Kora an example of Legacy isn't really a good idea unless one wants to disect a complete failure on every level

[@docjackson8165]

bros brain forgot to evolve

[@michaelkeha]

@@docjackson8165 you talking about me or the youtuber?

[@Axson_Cinema]

No matter what anyone says Korra will always be a great show

[@Universeknight10055]

Jay the original flash 1940. berry Allan the second flash 1956. Wally west the third flash 1959 and see comics and justice league the animated series. Bart allen the second kid flash 1994 and fourth flash

[@commonviewer2488]

Long-running series (I mean _decades_ of syndication) would universally benefit from legacy

[@docjackson8165]

YWAHHH HAJIUME NO IPPOOOOOOOOO

[@ravsucks]

you’re welcome

[@JP-1990]

What is so frustrating about superhero comics bringing back dead characters is that even if the characters died 30 years ago, it does not stop either Marvel or DC from making comics about them that took place while they were alive. They technically don't even need to take place within an alternate universe. We do not need to have these characters brought back to life in order to continue having stories about them.

[@danterobles4819]

So I have a story idea where there are legacy characters but some of the legacy characters have a twisted philosophy of their role model thus causing them to be the worst version of themselves.

[@ravsucks]

@@danterobles4819 that sounds dope! yeah, legacy as a negative thing is a cool concept to explore as well

[@johnthai6188]

@@ravsucks i think that's a bad idea, because that would make fans hate that character even more. now you aren't really trying to progress the character's name legacy, but deconstruct it to be the worst version of it.

[@JustJeff777]

Sea-moan*

[@ravsucks]

@@JustJeff777 hahaha, I probably should’ve rewatched an episode or two of GL before making the video

[@erikbihari3625]

You briefly had one point with superman, but lost soon korra was mentioned! Sorry man, but you're just not good debater.

[@Crimzon_Nova]

DC and Marvel screwed up not letting characters finally put to rest, whether die or retire and let the next gen takeover. Their attempts today is just not sound anymore. Better to move on to other comics that actually give characters endings.

[@kwayneboy1524]

That's why western comics are a dead brand.

[@Crimzon_Nova]

@@kwayneboy1524 Sadly true.

[@kwayneboy1524]

@@Crimzon_Nova good

[@burner555]

Because they make money

[@vincentopperman1420]

Boruto ?

[@raipe125]

gurren lagann could have more space opera...the first scene never appen...unite spiral warriors of the galaxy...like viral o precuel about rasen no ou...the last one like zetsobou hen o game a life zero coulde be epic and sad

[@WeebGuru6]

Korra isn’t a good legacy

[@truthspreader1996]

8:05 You imagine it's pretty well known but people to this day still can't get his name right😭 You pronounced it like "Simon says" or that one Chipmunk Simon but it's pronounced as Sea-Moan. Simon's name is derived from the word Shita no (下の) meaning Under. Most of Gurren Lagann's characters are named after directions. Kamina comes from Above. Yoko means Beside. Gimi is Right (Migi) and Dari is Left (Hidari).

[@ravsucks]

my bad

[@Universeknight10055]

Good morning. I'm fan of avatar korra 🌊🔥⛰️🌪 and legend of korra series🌊🔥⛰️🌪 and avatar last Airbender series 🌪🌊🔥⛰️. Everyone have great day and next day and week and weekend and next week and full happiness 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊.

[@ravsucks]

@@Universeknight10055 thank you kind stranger

[@Universeknight10055]

@@ravsucks your welcome. You have great day and next day and week and weekend and next week and full happiness 😊😊😊😊😊😊. Great video and keep make more great videos.

[@hallo23779]

Korra shows the opposite of your point, imo its a very bad sequel and show in general

[@ravsucks]

@@hallo23779 why’s that

[@hallo23779]

@@ravsucks as a sequel season 1,3 and 4 are meh i dont have any major issues but season 2 is what ruins it for me they turned the spirits into talking pokemon meanwhile at atla they had mysteriy and were treated as important pieces of the atla world (unlike korra they are simply the next door neighbours) and the way they turned evil wasnt that an anti-avatar spirit influenced them it had to do with the humans affecting their home/domain the bear spirit being the example, aside from that i didnt like the story of how avatars came to be i thought it was dissapointing i expected more and the villain didnt convince me in short i thought his why do all that? was very weak. All that along with the rest of the season being the weakest it affects the show as a whole negatively for me if 25% is bad and the rest of the 75% is meh (lets not mention the comics)

[@docjackson8165]

@@hallo23779 ur mentally deep fried

[@kennethsatria6607]

For what its worth I still like Legend of Korra

[@mrrunodan8119]

Then why the hell Elena and Mutt, two characters that were supposed to be Indiana Jones's legacy characters, failed spectacularly?

[@TheDisquietingNight]

Because the writers didnt want to uphold the legacy, but to leech off the history within

[@darthanal]

what kind if fan art are you seeing? 😅 you mean you want original cannonized art pumped out regularly from a corporation? 1:00

[@ravsucks]

@@darthanal i mean like characters that never got a chance to meet, date, fight, etc. in canon. for example, before DBS Broly released, you would’ve never seen a fight between Broly and Gogeta

[@hiyazaki09]

Legacy and Resurrection Well Netflixer don't know about that in VLD Shiro was so post to die like on the og Voltron, but his so popular they didn't kill him but he has the worst character death in a show i have since making Gay because we need diversity 🤣🤘🏻👍🏻

[@TheSultan1470]

True, absolutely

[@VunderGuy]

Problem: Legacy didn't work for Korra. No way does she or her stinky show belong in the same sentence as Aang and Last Airbender.

[@mochii813]

Both shows suck anyways

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@mochii813facts

[@skylandersfan6954]

A really good example of legacy is in Lego Monkie Kid with the Lady Bone Demon. Despite being killed at the end of season 3, she still leaves an incredible impact on MK, the main character, due to her ideals and the memories he has of her that he suffers from. Its really good

[@ItsDangerX]

The thing with ‘kamina’ being in that opening scene was quite the dastardly trick. It was a large part of why his death was such a shock.

[@Spider-fan2038-js1iq]

I think one of the few times resurrection works is in ninjago, the show does resurrection surprisingly well.

[@shehansoysa571]

I think resurrection can work in the cases of Red Hood and other such characters but it should effect them. Dying shouldn't be shrugged off. Perhaps they comeback to life but now they want to retire or they are now tramatized. Seeing them work through that trauma or find peace in retirement should be their next arc. For Spider-Man specifically, I think much of the ideal is seeing Peter grow with Spider-Man. Seeing how he deals with life as both a hero and a family man, teacher, mentor, etc. Before retiring him for good for characters like Miles Morales. Overall though, fully agree. Seeing the next generation is always more interesting than a rehash of the old.

[@badyoutuber1986]

Are we gonna get a clone saga for spiderman 😍😍😍😍?

[@GlockLock]

Epic video!!

[@ravsucks]

@@GlockLock thank you!!

[@rossruss6901]

I think Legcy works more often than not since it leaves more room for character growth in most cases and in some cases lets you focus on other parts of the world thanks to a different MC. However I don't think Resurrection doesn't work at all, I think it works in the case of characters who are more fantastical than not and are more like this person is the messiah type deal. Plus I also think it depends on when the character is revived and how big of a deal their death is.

[@ravsucks]

@@rossruss6901 yeah, in the proper context, legacy can fail and resurrection can work for the character. the video title just rolled off the tongue when brainstorming lol

[@bigking2743]

I think a good way to present dr doom, would be for him to be a failed clone of Tony Stark, from a secret preject created by shield after the events of the first avengers movie. It'd be called "Project resurrection" created to make superhuman soldiers in case the heroes decided to go rouge. Victor who was designed to mirror Tony's looks, intelligence, and personality was not complete. He looks like him and he has his intelligence, but he lacks any human emotion. Seeking an identity of his own, he escaped and traveled the world seeking to learn more cultures and science and shit. He pent most of his time in eastern Europe where he learned ancient sorcery. After he mastered it, the new gen of avengers became a thing but he doesnt view them as proper heroes. His view is that the world needs a prime leader, a true hero who would rid the world of evil. They fight and he loses(duh), but then he's aware of project resurrection and plans to use clones for his sake. I think this can justify them bringing back RDJ and this can even setup the clone saga for spiderman.

[@badyoutuber1986]

😬nah

[@bigking2743]

@@badyoutuber1986 all my aura, gone 😞

[@badyoutuber1986]

@@bigking2743 the clone tony can work with recasting iron man or introducing the clone saga. RDJ as doom is an idea made by the money grabbers, it's simply shity.🤌 just hire a new actor pleaseee an unknown actor not the same faces over and over to the point that the character becomes the actor and not vice versa. We want doctor doom not Robert Downey jr/Tony playing dress up.

[@bigking2743]

@@badyoutuber1986 I totally agree with u, but I thought about this as a way they can justify this. I also think they can make their own stories without following the comics.

[@Battfro]

I hate to be this girl, but its "SEE-MOAN", not "sigh-man."

[@ravsucks]

my bad, tho in my defense i haven’t watched the show for five years