Why LISA Needs Vocal Lessons ASAP (with love)

[@yelloowdae]

She doesn't need to be a vocal powerhouse, but she needs to be able to sing HER OWN SONGS live.

[@florencembah2626]

True

[@yukijames1321]

If not she needs to be giving amazing dance performances but she’s not even doing that in the west which is weird

[@neobongzzz]

Exactly

[@yelloowdae]

@@yukijames1321 exactly! like girl if you are going to lipsync AT LEAST give us a dance performance that makes everyone say "yeah, she definitely can't sing while hitting those moves" but she is doing basic choreo and not singing. Fingers crossed she and her team get the critism and improve on that aspect, because a lot of us are actually her fans and want to see her release her full potential

[@dilettanteflair]

​​@@yukijames1321 I think it's because as much as she is a decent dancer, she's not really the amazing performer her fans make her out to be. A lot of other idols can dance better than her but she got the label of being the best dancer in kpop because she's from blackpink. The choreography in her new songs isn't even that great to be honest.

[@BigMamasMama]

I think her biggest issue right now is that she is trying to conquer the western music world with the same performance style that worked for kpop. She is working to establish herself as an global artist and not "just" a kpop idol without realising that those two worlds are very different with very different expectations. If she doesn't improve her vocals she will always be one of the most popular kpop idols but never become a global artist.

[@xisco5525]

This is quite true. We westerners like clean and tight dancing, but it's definitely not the main concern, but rather an extra. Demi, Ariana, Miley, Sabrina, Olivia... Some of them might have some choreo, but it's far from being the focus.

[@hyukleberry5567]

yep and now she's doing it alone. back then she had 3 members to hide behind (in terms of vocals), and her main thing was rapping, but surprisingly she's doing more singing than rapping now. im surprised and i think it wasn't the best choice, but if she really wants to take this path, she's gonna have to work on her vocals

[@Moonchild0]

@@hyukleberry5567 Lisa's main thing was dancing not rapping as she is the main dancer and lead rapper in BP. But now being solo everything should be at least at the same level. That's why solo artist in kpop would overshine in the group, if the group members aren't at the same level

[@rbitforrester8177]

I personally feel like unless she ditches that blaccent and stops trying to be a "rapper" her career is not gonna work out long term here in the US. people were already feeling a bit sketch about her ultra-tan for Rockstar especially since she went back to being pale for New Woman

[@Rubylolo13212]

I agree with you wholeheartedly, the western market is vastly different from the K-pop industry (at least in my opinion)

[@aleezasarfaraz498]

I dont think Lisa will ever feel the need to improve because of how blindly obsessed her fans are.. in her genius interview, she was literally reading the lyrics and the comments were flooded with how "melodious" she sounds and how her vocals "are a slap to the haters".. like what?? when did she even sing? I think lillies need to understand the more they put her on this untouchable pedestal. she will be too scared to actually show her singing - resorting to talk singing, lip syncing and all together skipping singing. because she's so scared of disappointing fans

[@beyivy691]

This is the comment that I was looking for. Her fans don't understand that their obsessive sheltering would cause her harm more than good. During 8 years, all they've done is hype her up and exaggerate her skills and talents and make up some talent that she doesn't have like singing and praise her for it. They also always block out the critisism she receives because they can't stand seeing their perfect goddess being told that she isn't good at this or that or that she needs more practice. All her career she was worshipped and made to believe that she was untouchable and would excel at everything she does which is simply not true. I guess the critisism she received once she launched her global musical career would serve as a good wake up call for her to stop listening to her obsessive fans who would always lie to her and tell her that she's perfect and doesn't need to improve and actually get her ass up and go take some vocal lessons. I also think that she knows that she can't sing but didn't do anything about it because she thought that the western audience was going to be like her fans and consume whatever she releases even if it's not up to standards. Anyway I hope she takes the critisism seriously and stop relying on her fanbase to get her out of sticky situations.

[@jangwonive]

FR! She will never improve bcuz she know, no matter what she did, she'll always be applaud. All she need to do is what she had always do

[@charlie11300]

YESS THANK YOU AND I AM NOT A HATER , I REALLY LIKE LISA BUT IM NOT BLINDLY INLOVE

[@toasto_ojuiceo_o3420]

Lisa has been in a group for so long, and in that group she has been a rapper and dancer so yeah its a little understandable that she's a little shy and uncomfortable singing her own music, all by herself. But she has improved with her vocals. I am a musician with ASD and horrible anxiety and even I noticed when she was singing, that she started to feel uncomfortable and then she started half singing and then she started to just speak the lyrics, sometimes, even when your song is successful, someone can still have anxiety and feel uncomfortable singing their own lyrics in front of a camera and random people over the internet, knowing everybody is going to just judge you. I don't care how well you're "trained" mental health and people's insecurities can still sneak through.

[@jangwonive]

@@toasto_ojuiceo_o3420 but every single time??? Seriously, i haven't seen any performance of her not with a loud backtrack. If not, straight up lip syncing like at that Global Citizen show with Moonlit Floor. Bro, if its every single time, how are you going to be a singer????😭😭

[@k0k0m0n]

I've seen someone say that lisa's rapping isnt gonna cut it in the western music industry, epecially with so many real rappers who write their raps, and nor is her singing. I kinda agree with this, she can keep putting out great music and that's good, but she will have to improve her vocals, rapping or both if she wants to continue to thrive in the west

[@randomuser-nt9if]

i think her kpop award was really jus tto say well done for releasing another popular english lyric written song whilst adding nothing new to the general historic songs that others have released before her. its like witnessing bread going stale and even i would love to have seen the real lisa i dont think she even knows who the real lisa is. just some wanna be white wanna be black not entirely sure where she stands in terms of her overall solo image as well.

[@lyd2460]

Even cardi B and Iggy can out rap Lisa. Lisa is very below average in rap from a Western standard.

[@ClubPuguin]

@randomuser-nt9if @lyd2460 Eh I think her newest song New Woman is a positive sigh for her solo career, considering the strict control in YG and really just now starting her solo career.

[@saving_graciela9203]

even her music is terrible. She doesn't present anything new or good

[@vixxexo6855]

If Ice Spice survived then Lisa who is 277382838 times better rapper can too.

[@Catnip3207]

Even during bp, lisa tends to shout or skip lines especially hard parts and focus on dancing and stage presence. I think it's sort of her technique by giving her 100% in dancing to compensate for her many vocal weaknesses. I honestly don't think we'll be able to see lisa actually singing her song fully live with no backtracks sooner, feel like she'll hide behind her energetic dancing, loud backtracks and hyping up the crowd excuse. But she has potential, hope she would tap into that since she's a solo artist and she's not just a rapper anymore.

[@betterworld9580]

Agree with you but in her last Performances she even didnt dance that much but if she did we would excuse the loud backtrack

[@AlexiaInbloom]

I don’t think it’s an excuse as much as I think she lacks confidence in her singing abilities, so instead she chooses to rely on what she knows she is good at. I do hope to see her improve though.

[@betterworld9580]

@@AlexiaInbloom This I worded it differently. My issue was in her latest Performances she didnt rely on her dance abilities which made performance actually not good. But else I agree totally

[@randomuser-nt9if]

agree when watching her performances i felt like she wasnt being serious enough and thus i cannot take her songs or herself serious enough. same goes for others not just lisa. lalisa is just her name on repeat, money was just so she could twerk and feel cool doing it bc she wants to be seen as mixed race anyway, rockstar was an ai generated cheap easy scapegoat of a song in a desperate bid for her to be recognised as anything but a rockstar and she doesnt really hold her own promise of being a new woman due to lipsynching and relying on a little bum shaking. it seems thats the general direction of a lot of young female kpop groups bc they all want that tyla water hype for they songs. without genuinely trying to add anything new to the song itself it ends up falling flat on its own bum

[@maryam-nusa]

I hate to say this but I feel like her dancing hasn’t been that good these past few performances. Compared to what we know she can do, a few hair flips and acting sexy doesn’t cut it. I do think her lack of confidence/insecurity in her singing is affecting her stage presence and performance as a whole. I’ve seen many blinks express how she’s not that into it like she was during the tour and it could be due to her being alone on stage instead of sharing with the other girls. That being said, she needs to get better for people - especially in the west - to take her more seriously. We know she has potential but it’s sad to see how even with the group not having comebacks for years, she hasn’t improved her singing, you’d think she would as she’s expressed that’s what she wants to improve. If others in the industry have improved, so can she!

[@moonmooncovers736]

Your ability to point out weaknesses without being rude or unkind is always so refreshing. I agree with everything you said here.

[@aintnootherfan]

Thank you so much!😘

[@fajar4741]

Bcs he's Blink? I guess

[@Misamo_Identity]

@@fajar4741exactly His words are quite generous to groups he likes compared to groups like Twice, once he said he can’t take them seriously.

[@twice__drippin_stan4676]

​@@Misamo_Identity Honestly, most kpop KZbinrs are biased towards their favorite groups so I'm not surprised. I mostly watch this channel only for Nmixx. However, I'd like to recommend Choujimi's channel, he is so kind to everyone, like seriously his channel is a hidden gem

[@kunpunko]

@@fajar4741no??? he’s kind in every single video

[@MoaArmy61304]

I think it's safe to say that Lisa is a star, a brand, not a singer or a real rapper, nor a complete artist. That's why there are no improvements in her skills, and everything appears stagnant. She was programmed to perform, and didn't receive what she needed to improve her existent skills.

[@jane-d8q]

if lisa just wanted to model she wouldn't establish her own company to make more music and sign with another music label you can tell music is her passion she just needs improvements she released 3 songs like lisa said herself she just needs people to be more patient with her as this is only the beginning of her solo career you cant just say theres no improvement when lisa is barely just starting like lisa has that business women about her she can make her own company about fashion but she made a company about music instead shows how much music means to her but like i said she just needs improvements

[@randomuser-nt9if]

i agree if she wanted to model then why her music so lacklustre? seriously it just slow for her rn even if the songs are hyped up so much online it doesnt mean its everyones taste. i get we need to be patient but eventuallt ppl going to lose interest bc she doesnt bring that wow factor she gets with blackpink as a whole group.

[@randomuser-nt9if]

@@jane-d8q i think she was able to hide within her members and only got compliment on her stage oresence and other things she still iconic but not grammy winning iconic

[@wintermoon-987]

@@randomuser-nt9if thats not on lisas fault tho she just releases music for fans to enjoy its not meant for EVERYONE i dont even think lisa wants to be popular maybe thats just her being to humble she just releases what she likes and whats she is passionate about in lisa's recent interviews for recent magazine covers she actually said she does not care about awards or popularity she actually just cares about her happiness and passion and if its music thats her choice if people dont like what shes putting out its not gonna affect lisa nor her career her career will flourish more if she improves more though but right now its not looking good her because of the accusations people are putting on her for lip syncing which i hope lisa improves on that and actually lets go of the backtrack

[@davidenos9461]

@@jane-d8qAfter 10 yrs it will not Wash in the Western world.

[@chichi766]

I noticed that in the Western market lisa doesn't really stand out in terms of rap, vocals or dancing. She's definitely "idol" material, but she's competing with REAL artists that do almost everything on their own. Doja raps, sings and produces her own shit most times and lisa can't sing as good as other western artists. People say she's just a performer but that label won't earn her the respect other artists have. She has an extremely bright future but i hope she doesn't keep skipping important training.

[@ShoSho-cq7ct]

Yeah all she does is giggling and acting cute and playing dress up

[@Mel-jl8dt]

I fully agree. She's facing full formed artists, not artists given songs. She doesn't give "artist" but what people call industry plant. It's unfortunate. She needs to work on her lyricism, dance skills, be more involved in her production and stand out with one thing instead of wanting to do everything. Her brand is BP member, but she doesn't have an identity on her own and she needs to build that up. She's swallowed up by western artist who crafted their identity and individuality for years

[@treasureawingura2630]

the music bar in the West is higher and 1000s more people on the street can sing n dance better than what is giving...

[@ShoSho-cq7ct]

@@treasureawingura2630 exactly

[@jinxerino]

​@@Mel-jl8dt Own identity is dancer and I don't think she need to improve on dancing. She's always been a great dancer. Singing however...

[@Blueishhman]

I think Lisa needs to realise if she wants to be a truly successful artist, she needs to level up as a singer. Im not saying she needs to be the next mariah, no not all, just hold notes properly 💀.

[@ottomanstamper7609]

Not sure that you are right in todays industry! Sadly it is not the best singers who are most successful and there are many singers who are barely able to hold notes properly (live) who are extremely successful.

[@rinakyun]

@@ottomanstamper7609 who lmao ? because most of the artists espacially in america are highly skilled : Beyoncé, lady gaga, ariana grande, sabrina carptenter (even tho not as goos as the others but still super decent), olivia rodrigo, billlie may not be that good technically but she can sing live and same for taylor. these women are among the most famous in this current gen (if you exclude bey)

[@hyukleberry5567]

​@@ottomanstamper7609not outside of kpop.

[@CleverUsername69420]

@@rinakyun also most of these women show that they make efforts to improve. Lisa has been stagnant for 8 years.

[@dakz9296]

@@CleverUsername69420 Speaking of improve, that reminds me of Dua Lipa. She CAN sing but her dancing sucked. Now, her dancing improved immensely.

[@blueizclues2697]

If we can make Duo Lipa fix her dancing we can make Lisa improve her vocals 😊

[@aintnootherfan]

RIGHT?!?!

[@Njuliana-xu5iy]

Ur so right the dancing in kpop are really different from the western dances .but can't deny the fact that she can dance

[@KpopMyHeart65]

​@@aintnootherfan can you please do a kiss of life vocal analysis ?

[@inplane9970]

And Dua's stage presence improved in conjunction with her dancing. Only being able to sing well isn't enough to make it as an idol and performer. A fine balance is required. Viewers and listeners aren't stupid. They can instinctively tell who has that star power up on stage, naturally gravitating towards people who can shine with their talents. Those who can improve time and time again are the ones who maintain their status as a celebrity.

[@serendipity211]

it's been 8 years since she debuted. if she hasn't improved since 2016, she won't improve now

[@fallen_leaf_258]

I liked her in Blackpink but honestly 8 years post debut and little to no improvement is a bit disappointing. I wish she would put in the work to better her tecnique because I really like her as a performer.

[@IrishLegend64]

I agree with you when it comes to singing! But in terms of her niche, rapping and dancing she has improved. This highlights the need for vocal improvement if she is moving toward that style!

[@fallen_leaf_258]

@@IrishLegend64 yeah i forgot to clarify that i was talking about her singing. Thank you 😅

[@rachelmaddowswife8713]

@@IrishLegend64 That's fine, if she just wants to be a rapper, then she should just be a rapper. Like Meryl Streep is an incredibly talented actress, if she branched out and started a baked goods company that sucked, we could criticize her for it.

[@Moonchild0]

I cannot agree more. Plus her timbre (vocal tone color) very much!

[@boredasf4856]

@@rachelmaddowswife8713she wouldn’t be respected as rapper tho, cause a big thing about rappers in the us is that they are able to write and freestyle their raps.

[@halane4790]

I think another issue is that she is not dancing enough for the level of backtrack she is using. If she wants to rely so much on backtracks while she gets more comfortable performing solo, she should be doing harder (or harder looking) choreography. Her choreo looks like a lot of strutting and not many detailed or complicated moves that justify so much backtrack 🙃 and it's not like she can't do harder choreo, she is an incredible dancer with a natural elegance and energy that speak for themselves.

[@aidafuentesv]

THIS

[@yukijames1321]

This is definitely the biggest issue or why fans are confused. They know she can dance so it’s like to have that much back track why is she so stationary on stage?

[@rymc123]

Even Jennie’s new release has a much more difficult and interesting coreo

[@ByrdCamp]

^^^^^ I hate to compare these two, but Britney Spears is more of a performer than a singer, but she compensated with her concepts, ideas, dance, and personality. I don't need LISA to sound like Beyoncé, but I'm gonna need her to put a little more effort into SOMETHING. Like??? Please give us something to work with, girlie!

[@bennu547]

Yeah. At least the few choreos I’ve seen of her recently she just walks around and spreads her legs. If you’re not gonna do a hard coreo, then she should be able to sing with her experience

[@ajlee2168]

my gf just asked me to watch the victoria secret livestream with her (literally 2hours ago) and i was very surprised to see lisa perform there. the backtrack was still too loud but there were moments you could actually hear her sing rockstar, struggling with the higher parts. other artists performed and the contrast gave me whiplash, as if reminding me what the standard for singers at her 'size' should be like. she performed a second time, that kiss me-cover. she wasnt dancing during that, you could hear her voice especially in the beginning, and later on she got more careless and focused more on waving and posing than singing her own song. all of that is to say: i finally got longer glimpses of her voice, and im glad she didnt lipsync 100% but the fact is, the girl cannot sing well. no confidence in her voice, no power. its thin and insecure except for very brief moments, she still skipped parts, and as always she focused on modeling. it almost looked like she was just one of the other models, and her own music was just playing in the background. tyla and cher performed after her and i cannot stress enough how lisa does not belong on the same stage as them. whatever strings her french boy pulled to have her as the opener and perform twice, id hope she or fred would invest that money in vocal lessons and media training, instead of buying one gig after the other without proper training. this was so bizarre to witness tbh.

[@heyitsRupanjana]

THIS. People are praising her for singing live but in reality I found the backtrack so loud that I didn't quite hear her live vocals. She has been doing the same thing over and over since her days in blackpink I wish I could hear her more

[@lapepa3673]

She sings, but she doesn't have enough confidence to sing, she's scared, and who isn't when you're literally the most famous female kpop artist in the world? I know that in the future, her confidence when it comes to singing will build, she clearly can.

[@ajlee2168]

​@@lapepa3673 ​ i hope you dont think im bashing her for not being confident. my point is that i can clearly hear and see she is insecure and nervous, and thats not what a "professional" at her size, popularity and with all the recourses in the world should show the audience. im only judging the performance im seeing, her backstory is irrelevant. i just wish she'd perform and release songs that match her energy and skills, instead of putting herself on huge stages without the confidence and skills that are expected at that level. she didn't need to release songs she can't comfortably sing. thats on her, and not excusable with being nervous about "being so popular". of course i hope she improves, she could. but as with other members, after so many years of mediocrity, im also just really tired of the promised potential that seems to never actually come out. we'll see, it was just quite disappointing.

[@ajlee2168]

​@@heyitsRupanjana yes exactly, i also agree that, as others mentioned, her performances are fulfilling the "kpop standard", which just doesn't work for a western audience. the loud backtrack and lipsyncing/ mostly focusing on dancing and looking good, is not enough to be considered a good artist or performer in the west. she needs to go beyond bp/ kpop-show-standards to actually shine here.

[@lilianquezada4816]

Thisssssss i ithink the same

[@khushboosharma8393]

She needs to understand that aeyego cant work outside korea😂😂

[@strgrlszn]

HELPPPP spit your shit, OP!

[@imlio3312]

trueeeeee

[@dimithri9429]

Such facts 😅

[@n0th1ngsp3c1al]

real

[@Fartsquad_]

Bro all the KOREAN kpop idols that go solo in SK actually have crazy amount of talent to hold their own ,. Lisa has good stage presence in a group but mostly gained popularity because of her southeast Asian fan base. She didn’t interest korea on her own and Koreans were called racists for it. Normal Koreans can sing better than Lisa in karaoke rooms. Now that westerners are seeing that too, it seems like a lot of people are blaming Korea for her cringiness ,, when even the other two girls in her group, Jennie and Rosé (the actual Korean girls) are totally making it work on their own in the west without any sort of aegyo .. same with jungkook, V,,.

[@gaius5901]

She was never solo material tbh she did great in BP bc she only had to sing for a few seconds and most of the time, she didnt actually sing live, she just yelled a lot

[@lilianquezada4816]

Exactly

[@senanurduran7172]

Keep hating

[@neptunezorbit]

she already proved that she's solo material

[@Wolfgang_0]

​@senanurduran7172 it's not hating I hope u realise this too that she's not even able to sing her own song let me say it again HER OWN SONG no one is saying she needs to be as good as Chen or even Lily .

[@senanurduran7172]

@@Wolfgang_0 keep hate watching lol do both

[@bluvillage]

the genius interview just exposed her lacking singing skills. i really liked new woman but the interview kind of changed my perception of the song. idk, i like it when singers can sing well both inside and outside the studio. the song just feels fake now. i hope she improves on her next album because the debut one is too soon. as it’s already mostly recorded, her vocals will be underdeveloped.

[@randomuser-nt9if]

i think what lisa or other kpop solists do is do what is trendy rather than something from themselves, i think rose will be bit more successful she seems to have bit more know how in what she wants than lisa.

[@ClubPuguin]

@@randomuser-nt9if idk Seulgi albun was pretty great.

[@Charmyloves2draw]

like I dont get why she even went on there? why did LLOUD allowed that? TwT also Like if you check out videos of other artist - for example hozier, he didnt sing his songs (even though not liek he has to prove his vocals, there are many proof online for that) but his lyrics had so much meaning behind then that it felt like a poetry, meanwhile lisa talked about food? at some point while talking about lyrics? its liek she gave absolutely no explanation of the lyrics. Imo on genius you either come to show off your raw vocals or your talent in writing lyrics or both at the same time, she is one of those few who showed neither & its sad. She was my bias in bp in 2017 but this was painful to watch

[@aleezasarfaraz498]

exactly! and they way her delulu fans are like omgg she slapped her haters with her amazing vocals?? like where did she even sing?

[@07.quanghuy49]

@@Charmyloves2draw it's giving lesserafim when they came to coachella

[@akeepersworld]

Now THIS is what you call constructive criticism. (Something that Sultry film can never do) :)

[@Lia-yu6qc]

That channel is a safe space for Lisa antis and even general BP antis. That, Kpop_pop77 and btsforever shorts. And they've deluded themselves to think they're impartial and always right

[@nostrossss]

​@@Lia-yu6qcSafe space for almost all gg antis + bts, it's crazy

[@ClubPuguin]

get em again for me.

[@Notheretho7]

Because that is just a random hater online knows nothing about music

[@ajlee2168]

i dont understand why yall still bring up that channel when its so clearly just hate-bait. they say whatever opinion will get the most agreement and therefore engagement. just stop giving attention to trolls.

[@Abb-y9k]

She got spoiled by everyone to the point she stopped improving herself both singing and dancing. You can clearly see her dance is also lack of practicing let alone singing.

[@r-recordbreaker947]

Blame her fans. Her fans even say she's saving bp tour like she can't even sing her own song lalisa and money on their concert and they have the guts to say lisa carry blackpink performance 🤣

[@strgrlszn]

exactly, like. jennie deffo tried to level up after the whole lazy scandal. but lisa just got puffed and powdered by her overprotective fans )):

[@sumi78456]

Agreed. Trying to conquer the western industry while still being a below average singer can only come from a place of overconfidence. The fans need to stop defending her and start sharing constructive criticism. She has so much potential

[@n0th1ngsp3c1al]

the worst part is she might never improve and its all bc of lillies and blinks. they keep hyping her up and praising her when in reality, lisa's just not good enough for a global artist yet. they also defend lisa and call us haters when we r just tryna point out flaws and help her improve. the fanbase keeps holding lisa back from being the greatest shes ever been and its sad. fans gotta learn that we r just tryna help her and not hate

[@vogueqwen]

As a professional dancer and person who learn to choreographer , that's so weird when she show herself like super cool and professional dancer and gives to people's advices who they can grown in dance 😢 it's always give me so much cringe

[@igorcarvalho3087]

People in the comments saying she’s already a global artist…Please! She can make all the big numbers but is still niche and will probably always be. She has a huge fanbase, but that does not mean the general public knows who she is.

[@villovarga5781]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID THIS OUT LOUD

[@hubris.9561]

She’s only popular if you’re interested in Kpop, honestly. The same way that an artist like Aya Nakamura is popular in her own genre, like if you have an interest in French, Afro beats, for example.

[@annierminx]

Fr like...Global artist?, that's WAAAY out of her league considering her current skills. If only she tried to actually improve to meet the expectations of what she so wants to become, maybe she'd get that global recognition. Hell, a shit ton of people I know didn't even recognize her in the VS show and were confused why was she there in the first place. She has a recognizable face, all she needs is to stop conforming with mediocrity...

[@KpopOpinionator]

I feel that goes for all kpop artists tho

[@fivestarmichelin_]

Honestly I feel like Lisa regressed as a performer when it comes to singing. Like, her singing wasn’t so shaky before. And she was much more confident in singing. Not singing live has taken away her confidence in it and while her techniques haven’t changed much, she sounds unstable because of it. Even in the Lalisa era, she sang live much more. Now, she doesn’t attempt live singing mostly.

[@diosito9161]

Did she sing live in Lalisa era tho? Cause as far as I know those stages were prerecorded, but also I think that song sits a lot more comfortably in her range than others so that’s why she did well in Born Pink Tour

[@randomuser-nt9if]

agree she belted out at the coachella stage but in the vmas it was just radio silence on her end. ngl she seems genuinely nice and keen on growing her popularity but otherwise i dont know what else she brings musically, in interviews dare i say she comes across as a bit dim talks more about her bangs or her looks than anything else doesnt really know how to articulate a genuine conversation about her music and direction without overusing the word like so much cause she wannabe american black white girl i cant tell which. now rose on the other hand seems to have much interest in really going for it maybe not on a huge scale but if i compare lisa to rose id say rose was more serious about her musical direction and abilities than lisa.

[@randomuser-nt9if]

and i think what kpop idols have to realise when they go west for an audience they have to look outside their own bubble of what they think is relevant and popular to do. its like doing the same thing and expecting different results is just going to make her look like a fool for trying to think she couod be real soloist. even somi and others fall under this trap of hey look at how popular and pretty they are but dont bring much else to it because they continue the same way of doing things.

[@randomuser-nt9if]

the west isnt just a beauty pagant or a popularity contest unlike in kpop

[@ClubPuguin]

@@randomuser-nt9if I mean she isn't fluent in English I'm pretty sure but is decent, so that might why she say like a lot. Don't know why that would make her a wannabe either way lol.

[@jxstadri]

I think Lisa needs to realise in order to be a global pop artist, she really needs to work on her vocals. She doesn‘t need to be the next Mariah, Ariana or so. But even someone like Taylor Swift is a better singer in vocals and Taylor‘s definitely not the best out there. I love that Lisa is trying out different things and is walking away from the YG sound and style but she should go for more safe and comfortable material that she can handle a bit easier. And release stuff that‘s a bit out of her comfort zone once she has been putting in the work. Cause a lot people have already been memeing and hating her for the VMAS perfomance. And that‘s gonna affect her in the long run if she doesn‘t change things asap. And yea, it is sad and dissapointing that even in eight years she hasn‘t improved much, but then again, she was/ is with YG and they don‘t really care and she got mostly rap lines and her singing lines she got, are fairly easy.

[@mariellem7820]

Honestly, if after 8 years since her debut, her vocals are still on that level, then there doesn't seem to be much effort or even an attempt on her part to improve. Heck, if it was her plan to go solo, then there's a presumption that she had time to prepare for it, so there's no excuse. She should've been practising her butt off to improve her weaknesses. I mean, I wasn't expecting her to be Mariah or Beyonce levels of good, but her weak vocals shouldn't have been that glaringly obvious. As a side note, this really makes me appreciate Taylor Swift more. After she got tons of hate for her weak vocals, she really worked her butt off to improve and prove her haters wrong. That's the kind of petty I aspire to be 😂 Comparing her oldest vs newest live performances, it doesn't even seem to be the same person. You can even track the growth/improvement every era. So comparing Taylor and Lisa side by side, it just seems like Lisa was lazy and was content in coasting on her popularity..

[@nikithaelsa71]

Im not a swiftie. But Taylors vocals are fine and clear on live. I dont know why people think she's not good enough.

[@jxstadri]

@@nikithaelsa71 Like she does her job good. And she was a county singer before so like

[@nikithaelsa71]

@@jxstadri yes exactly. She's definitely not known for her vocals like ariana, billie or katy. But she sings fine in my opinion.

[@TunaTish-pj3lu]

Even Taylor is heavily criticized for being untalented/mediocre in singing/dancing and her only strength is songwriting so.. take notes!!

[@Aryaissuccessful]

With the number of fashion shows they appear at, they could actually let go of that work to sit at home and practise their vocals everyday. 3-4 hours of practice everyday for atleast 3-4 months is LITERALLY going to give ANYONE so much improvement!! You can't keep blaming the company when the artist themselves don't want to improve. They have money. They can hire the best vocal coaches but they're not doing it themselves! Yoongi is also not a singer but that man KNEW he was going to hold concerts later on, solo ones, so he started his vocal lessons much sooner! And all his solo concerts were GREAT. The reviews were good. The fans were happy! He sang all his songs live + rap ones too. I'm so proud. Not a fan of Lisa, but there are no excuses. Not feeling confident is NOT an excuse. Go practise. The more you practise, the better you'll become. Simple.

[@CatonicWeirdo]

And i think that differentiates a MAN from a woman.

[@yours_eve2001]

i totally agree with u!!

[@redrabbit2305]

Dude this is not even about gender, yoongi is just a great example r​@@CatonicWeirdo

[@annierminx]

@@CatonicWeirdo You're a weirdo indeed.

[@coconasstar]

​@@CatonicWeirdo A woman cannot improve and a man can, or what are you trying to say by bringing up genders?

[@hira791]

My main criticism is actually of her choreography. Shes an exceptional dancer and among the best that kpop has to offer, yet the choreos shes dancing are so below her level. like i just have high expectations of her in that area. I knew she wasn't a strong rapper or singer because her outstanding stage presence heavily relied on her dancing ability. So im surprised how easy her dance choreos are for her solo songs. Its not interesting or hard for such a kpop idol. Others idol like teamin or kai who are also on her level in dancing put out performances with difficult choreos showcasing their skills. Why hasnt she gone with the same approach? Especially if shes going to rely so much on backtracks?

[@aidafuentesv]

I have the same problem, I thought she was going to give us Britney Spears once she went solo. Nobody cared Britney was lip syncing because she delivered good and complicated choreographies, the same could apply to Lisa

[@daniahfilms]

I think it's for marketing purposes, like making a TikTok Dancing Trend Challenge easy for everyone to do.

[@hira791]

@@aidafuentesv True britney spears definitely know what she was doing.

[@hira791]

@@daniahfilms Possibly. But she could really make a point dance within her choreos that are easy to follow for the sake of tik toks but the rest of the choreo should be harder and more interesting to showcase her skills.

[@Wendys1111]

Hard choreos are more kpop, no ? She probably wanna be more like western artists now instead of going the way other ‘idols’ like taemin or kai. Are there any western artists who have difficult choreographies ?

[@zara3960]

I think the problem with BP in general is not that they are bad, but that they are overhyped and when you go and see them you expect them to be the best but then u see them and you are like whaaat? Is this it? Especially if you are into kpop and see other gg with way more competent performers

[@moonlights9146]

I also think that only member who can actually sing is Rosé, but hey they are all pretty and charismatic … and with teddy producing some of their best songs they dominated the world. But YG learned the lesson and have become very selective now, when you compare Blackpink members with Babymonster members for example … I think blackpink members wouldn’t have passed the auditions 😅

[@zara3960]

@moonlights9146 i think they also became so famous because of the illusion and lifestyle that the company created for them. Like all of them became luxury brand ambassadors even before debuting. They were trying to sell them as "superstars" even if the public didn't know anything about them yet. YG knew what they were doing they build a gg with a strong branding of "girlboss empowerment" and un obtainable lifestyle because they knew people will eat it up. Also they did have a pretty unique sound when they just debuted

[@TheBloddyRose]

Tbh I don't think Lisa will change much in terms of vocal performance. She is highly successful with her solo career and gets much praise from blinks who are putting her on a throne no matter what she does and whether if it is good or bad. I used to like her very much for her stage presence, but I'm getting annoyed at this point. She had all the time in the world to improve herself as a singer / rapper, and she chose not to do it. She could afford a vocal coach to travel with her and work with her whenever there is time. Still wishing her the best though.

[@villovarga5781]

Its more like her own fans who praise her. A portion of the blinks are starting to wake up, myself included. I honestly didnt realize or notice this until they started their solo career. Now i can see the gigantic difference between their vocal abilities. Like you cant even compare Rose or Jennie to her. As soon as she released rockstar i was immediately disappointed, and as she went on with these new songs of hers plus the “live performances”, i just got more and more irritated disappointed and angry. Because what the hell is this. And the worst part is that her hardcore, blindly sickly obsessed fans are hyping her up and they are acting like she is doing a wonderful job. Like, are we living in the same world?? Are we watching and hearing the same thing? I really really liked her back then, but this solo era of hers.. there is not even 1 positive thing to say about it.

[@rymc123]

@@villovarga5781same here!! I agree with you 100%. I was a huge Lisa stan too, but the solo era is disappointing

[@treasureawingura2630]

is unfortunate is like a roadside musician no one will remember few years to come..

[@n0th1ngsp3c1al]

​@@villovarga5781 agreed. im personally a blink and im noticing the problem too. i already woke up when i saw other blinks be toxic to kpop stans. its sad how lisa might never improve

[@joemel_cruz]

It's an industry wide problem in KPop because they debut idols whose jobs mainly are recording/musical artists but aren't really singers to begin with 😬 and make them lipsync/rely on backtrack for majority of their careers. It's the lack of practice and training and commitment to the craft of singing (I know idols train for years but how much vocal lessons r they even given?) Honestly it's not even a problem unique to KPop but that's a different conversation.

[@Catnip3207]

Vocal standards in kpop is literally on the ground. You should know by now, talent isn't their first nor second priority.

[@belaytriks]

I would said after 3rd generation they went for pretty dancers and influncesrs, sitll there are few decent vocalists as hidden jewels here and there.

[@hyukleberry5567]

i think the majority of their training is dance training these days and companies really do not invest on vocals. not only this, but all kpop training is ass. they just hire ppl who dont know what the hell they're saying to teach them what stylistic choices they should make instead of addressing technical incompetencies and trying to build up their skills from the foundations. i think only reason why the average dance skills are better is because it's easier to eventually learn how to dance decently just by practicing while looking at a mirror

[@g2231-v2p]

You forgot autotune, pitch correction etc etc. I watched a professional voice expert use technology to evaluate a popular group “live” performance. The computer couldn’t even recognize a human voice through most of it. I was embarrassed for the fans swearing he was wrong. It’s a computer? Technology? Sigh….

[@kunikuzushis]

@@g2231-v2pwhich video? idk why the need for the cryptic wording

[@VideosForYou90]

I love Blackpink as a group, the members compliment each others so well. BUT in my opinion only Rosé and Jennie are soloist material. I saw Blackpink live in concert x2 and it annoyed me when the kpop community made the opinion popular that "Lisa carried and saved their tour" when she was the one who sang live the least. A concert needs live vocals and not only dancing or you could go to a dance competition to watch instead. Lisa has great energy, stamina and charisma. But that's it tbh. And not enough for a solo artist in the West. Rosé knows how to use her voice, she knows her style, strenghts and weaknesses. She also has writing credits and could dance if it would be needed. She seems the most connected to music out of the members. I'm excited for her album in December, I have big hopes in her. And I'm also excited for Jennie and her new single soon. She's very versatile in terms of concepts but also vocals even though she's not as good as a singer as Rosé. But that's okay, she's more than capable of singing live and her collabs (Slow Motion and Spot) show the versatily of her voice. She also can rap even though it's obviously not on the level as the rappers outside of kpop but a few catchy rap lines here and there in her songs would still sound cool. She also has writing and composing credits. Only her stamina is weak but I don't see a problem with that, she doesn't have to have the hardest choreos to make it in the West. She's aware of that so I'm sure she'll be fine. As for Jisoo, I see her as an actress rather than a singer. Herself probably too, that's why she's focusing so much in acting in South Korea right now.

[@nanadecarvalho7840]

Jisoo has said in an interview years ago that she joined YG for acting because it was her dream, but they saw potential in her to be an idol. Now she gets to make her dream come true but I hope she gets to sing some more because her vocal color is the most interesting out of BP, with proper vocal training she could do amazing things vocally.

[@sweetSecret1340]

Jisoo is also releasing solo music. She has already confirmed about the same. What people see of her dosen't matter, what she does out of it that's what matters. Hopefully we won't be in a similar type of video discussing about her vocals.

[@mayyang8276]

Agree with everything you said, and I think jisoo has a potential to be a popular heroine in Korea

[@lilianquezada4816]

Pienso lo mismo, Jennie solo necesita trabajar en su resistencia, pero realmente ella tiene más material de solista qué Lisa

[@kiink182]

I don’t agree. Lisa is definitely soloist material. Always been the face of the group, and the standout.

[@akeeescano9987]

0:28 Western music focuses on vocals the most. While kpop music focuses on dancings and adlibs snd lip syncing.. those adlibs are enough for them to call an artist while dancing a lot. Lip syncing is just a normal thing in kpop but not on the Western music.

[@arianasingawinata3001]

Before 4th gen it's not actually "normal" to lipsync. It's fun when the artist actually failed a note, it's quite funny and they often improve even more after that

[@yoyobowbow8156]

@@arianasingawinata3001it was illegal to lip sync on Korean tv at some point. 1-2-3 gen definitely have more vocal presence. An example would be queendom older starts like park bom and hyolyn kept a mic while the never girls had the ear mic.

[@alexandragabitto2573]

Already had people jumping on me for pointing out the lack of live vocals (*without relying too heavily upon a backtrack) in her VMA performance before this video was even released lol… and what a great video it turned out to be! I hope we see Lisa vocally turn it out on stage in the future!

[@moptop4355]

He didn’t say there was a lack of live vocals. He said the opposite. It is a great video.

[@alexandragabitto2573]

@@moptop4355 I apologize for being unclear. I was agreeing with the video in that Lisa relies quite a bit on a backtrack. I did know that Lisa was in fact singing live during her VMAs performance. However, I would love for Lisa to give us a performance one day where she sings an entire song, clearly and concisely, live for us. Maybe, hopefully, with a live band (that would EAT)? I would be looking forward to it!

[@randomuser-nt9if]

@@alexandragabitto2573 she doesnt seem to know what she want to be and i guess thats ok we already knows she is lalisa or lisa of blackpink but if u compare her to homegrown artists even from the past they all had their own flavor and lisa just falls back on being comfortable with average, she went all out for coachella but not for vmas and anything else? it seem she much prefer being in a group situation and im not hating her as a person i think shes greatish but i still think she lacks a bit of vision for herself and u can see it when she does group vs solo it sticks out like a sore thumb. i wish i wouldve had some music connections id have loved to have been able to work with kpop idols or help them in some way :c. i think they really lack anything that isnt trendy cause fi they only go for trendy its not them real selves its just what they think or feel is best to do to keep their popularity up. just like i think twerking in general isnt always needed and its a bit tacky once u have seen several youngish groups try to act mature and grown on stage it doesnt really fit well with everything.

[@carmelalinka]

When I saw her perform at the VMAs, I really felt that there was something missing/lacking. I couldn’t really point it out but when I saw Tate McRae perform i realized how different it was! Lisa performed like a Kpop idol during the VMAs which most westerners don’t really like. Also, her releases are pretty similar. Im afraid even her fans will get sick of in the future is she doesn’t improve.

[@raincraze]

I’m a fan and I always gave her the benefit of doubt but each live performance has been disappointing tbh 🥲

[@carmelalinka]

@@raincraze Same! I’ve been a fan of them since their debut but i can speak objectively and not just blindly defend them. She needs to improve to make it big in the US, her fans from her Kpop days won’t be enough to make her mainstream.

[@lapepa3673]

now You saw Victoria's Secret performance, what did you think?

[@vickybabadoo9927]

@@lapepa3673it was great imo, i think that’s her best performance yet

[@priyamvadak6461]

​@@lapepa3673 this time she improveddddddd

[@ariesaraya1822]

She does influencer level singing and rapping. Although Kpop has a lot of views when you stack them up against western artists, talent and creativity wise, there is no competition. Most western artists have to shine without a core fan group based on talent alone and it shows.

[@fairiesarefair]

Bella Poarch is an influencer who's also a singer and she sings much better than Lisa ,No I'm not hating so please don't come for me .

[@crystalpeaches7825]

@@fairiesarefairbella poarch is filipino after all lolol

[@lunaris7342]

Kpop Groups might of more Views when it comes to sales and charts western Artists are way more succesful. Kpop is still mostly a Niche

[@grethi8110]

Most kpop "singers" need vocal lessons, few exceptions. Kpop is not about talent, it's a factory

[@anoykoaoi]

It is now. Before kpop was americanized, it was a lot about singing quality, and the dancing was just an addition. Now the newest Gen is shit and we all know it. Older songs are better, way better, both performed live and the recording.

[@returntosoilgumiho]

Which is why people need to start listening to other genres of K music if they want to actually listen to great Korean music I mean Ahn yeon's pansori leaning sound, Jaurim's soulful sound, IU, So hyun...

[@AlexiaInbloom]

I think Lisa has a huge problem with confidence. It’s hard to believe because she is so charismatic and seemingly confident, but fear of public humiliation is real and can affect anyone. I also think because she is apart of one of the biggest girl groups, she knows that whatever mistakes or embarrassing moment she has, would be magnified. Edited: spelling mistakes

[@diosito9161]

For sure, and she has talked about singing as something she found daunting and hard to feel confident about, probably why she also always refers to herself as a dancer which is the skill she feels more confident about

[@rainecolubio]

Yeah, it’s not hard to imagine considering how much of a perfectionist she is with performance. I assume she is doing vocal lessons offstage. If not she should. Eventually she will be confident with singing live the better her technique becomes.

[@mamamoma9238]

Yeah, when she’s performing it’s hard to tell, but you can tell she’s nervous when she’s speaking on stage.

[@bpxterry]

Lmao being an idol with no talent can very much be daunting 😂😂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@aishwaryapappinisseryvalia5860]

​@@bpxterry dude she can dance unlike you. That makes a difference

[@aleezasarfaraz498]

she cant ever do the falsetto in new woman irl because its HEAVILY auto tuned in the song itself..surprise her fans cant hear it

[@Cuspofmagic19]

Fair. But she could atleast make it sound smooth or improvise it Doesn't have to be shaky tbh

[@whatchahowsya8688]

At this point giving Lisa a mic is pretty much useless. She doesn't even rap anymore either. She just shouts. It's kinda sad how bad BP is live nowadays, especially being a YG group. Fans hate the comparison but subjectively they're getting outdone by BM. Dara was hated for being a "bad singer" but you would never catch her lip-syncing. She knew her weakness and worked hard to better them. Lisa knows her weaknesses too, but the difference is she doesn't improve them. Instead she masks them and in a group, that's passable but as a soloist? It's disappointing.

[@VideosForYou90]

Don't lump BP all together, they're not bad live. I've seen them in concert x2 and everyone except Lisa had stable live vocals and did well when it comes to singing live.

[@eloffmusk]

BP is overrated, anyway BM>>> Don’t let mediocrity become the new standard in music. The same goes for BTS-let a more talented younger generation take their place. I'm done with their fanatic fans

[@Joonpathy]

Well we will have to see what happens with BM when they are an older group. Blackpink were passionate performers just like them when they were rookies.

[@Joonpathy]

​@@eloffmusk Huh?? You can't just replace BTS lmao. It's too soon. They aren't even that old as a group and their popularity is valid. Just wait till they really stop releasing music if you are that desperate.

[@Kim_Navi]

Who is Dara do you mean Rora?

[@ludofratta2328]

I honestly wish for all the bp girls to have some vocal training now that they are on their own. As a fan I love how good their vocal tones are. How dark jisoo's tone is, how piercing Jennie's is, how uniquely warm Rose's is and how sweet Lisa's natural tone is. If they can spare some time for vocal training now that they are not under yg, because I think it would be the biggest investment for them, cause I think their vocals have some of the best potential

[@randomuser-nt9if]

its not that they cant its just they havent been given enough and it makes me wonder what they really did in their trainee days.

[@randomuser-nt9if]

honestly i can think of a few male idols too who need vocal abilities and what do i know? i dont know much abt music hehe

[@saturnanne]

@@randomuser-nt9if well lisa actually had vocal coaches she was trained to improve her singing before even debuting in 2016 many vocal teachers and coaches even praised her for singing so well reasons why she got all straight A's when debuting but sadly YG took all that away from lisa and YG pushed her as a rapper her entire career which made lisa loose that kind of confidence in singing im not gonna talk about dancing becasue lisa already been dancing every since she was 4 years old and has already won many awards and competitions for her dancing

[@nanadecarvalho7840]

I totally agree. The only one in blackpink who is a natural vocalist is Rose, Jennie and jisoo can sing but with limited range, Lisa is the worst vocally but if they had proper vocal training they would’ve improved so much, I can’t really blame them because YG used them more as influencers and performers than singers. Jennie’s Paris performance last year really showed how limited she is vocally and it looked like she was aware of it. Hopefully they can invest more in their vocals now that they are free to do what they want.

[@murgency88]

@@nanadecarvalho7840 tbh I think Rose also needs some live vocal lessons if she wants to succeed in the West. She's a natural vocalist. But I've never heard her sing without loud backtracks. And I can tell that the energy and stability of her singing on stage will be very different if she performs like a western artist. When i was at their Coachella performance, I could barely hear her real voice due to the extremely loud backtracks.

[@jimmycroni]

Honestly, you could make this video for all Blackpink members and their upcoming solo projects. They’re not great singers as individuals but would shine better as a group.

[@freejfjkxvfhkkjx]

Other 3 are better than Lisa definitely. Rosé obviously. They are weak but they are not afraid to sing

[@serendipity211]

Rosé can sing. She'll be the breakout soloist of the group for sure

[@Oftenlost-n9z]

@@freejfjkxvfhkkjx However, Jisoo can be argued as being on the exact same level with Lisa in vocals.

[@jimmycroni]

@@serendipity211 rose has a hate it or love it voice. I like her voice in doses but I don’t watch to hear a full album of it. Plus it depends on the music she makes because I found her Blackpink solos to be quite bland.

[@jimmycroni]

@@freejfjkxvfhkkjx Jennie is almost at the same place with Lisa.

[@DailyChris2]

Let's be honest, not every idol can be a soloist. Lisa is the perfect example of an artist who stands out in a group for her great stage presence and dancing, but when she has to do an entire song alone, then you see that her skills are mediocre at best. If she wants to succeed in music as a soloist, she urgently needs to improve her live singing, otherwise she won't last long.

[@daniiieru717]

The western side of the world is very critical of live performances, esp if you’re not COMPLETELY singing your own song live. The only exception was Britney Spears, no one else.

[@strgrlszn]

the fact that jennie stopped getting many rap parts since D4 tells me enough about lisa's singing skills. jennie is main rapper cause that is the skill she excelled at in BP, lisa became the quasi main rapper cuz that is the Only skill she excelled at, vocally speaking (putting stage presence, charisma, and dance skills aside). i can't even bear to hear lisa's new releases after APT. and Mantra, her voice is grating to my ears ;-; rockstar too sounds good ONLY when its remixed with tame impala's instrumental. maybe her style isn't my taste, but man - the singing 😭😭

[@VideosForYou90]

100% facts!

[@soona22573]

Honestly I thought she'll debut more as a performer/dancer, surprised that she's trying to be a pop artist

[@cambelloroxy9420]

Same

[@diegojaviersj]

Isn't it the same?

[@zaraandrews600]

I remember listening to her VMA act. It was mostly just the singing track, I ended up checking the other acts to see if the same had been done for them. The vocal abilities of them quickly became very apparent.

[@lucycarlay8547]

What bothers me the most is that Lisa (let's say since well 2019, because YG works slowly) knew she was starting a solo career and that it didn't occur to her in about 5 years to train her voice to feel confident? I mean we see that girl has a damn good plan to go global. But then she leaves out the most important part? She must know that she will have to manage her concerts on her own soon? IDK, but this bothered me since 2022....

[@rubyrubacus9787]

I actually dispise YG for that. He didn't bother to further improve blackpink and also he didn't even let them have their proper solo albums and more songs. No wonder she was so eager to leave.

[@lucycarlay8547]

​@@rubyrubacus9787yep, YG is a mess, all of the 4 Solos were a mess. Like 1 or 2 songs to Show a new artist ??? Then just don't. I don't wanna put the blame all on YG, cause I don't know how much they were involved. But Lisa could have gone to singing lessons in her private time..... I just don't get it. I don't believe that she is that unaware of her skills, but then does nothing about it. Like just ????????

[@Asdfghjjjk]

​​​@@rubyrubacus9787yg never gives a lot of comebacks. Yeah, BP has less than another group. But why yg would you make her improve when she didn't do that? Yg didn't make her as main rapper or main singer. Yg gave her 2solo but Did she sing Money and Lalisa live?? No. She is not improving nothing to do with yg. Yg want her as main dancer and do little rap lines that it. If lisa want to be a global artist . She should have improved.

[@Anastasiasml]

@@rubyrubacus9787 She's a grown, independent, rich woman who could have easily hired the best vocal and dance couches and improved in all possible areas, and YG has nothing to do with the overall improvements of a band.

[@Akshayaaaaaa]

Its true but i think its also important to note that these girls are very new to this. in Dua Lipas podcast with jennie she talks about how she was never given the opportunity to play around with and improve on her vocals, and i think Lisa is the same. Lisa has been heavily praised since debut for her performance, and the support on money/LALISA was astounding. Its obvious that shes extremely passionate about performing and probably believed that she was ready to express herself as a soloist in the western market the way she is now. I hope the criticism shes getting right now will push her in the right direction, instead of making another "im rich i dont care what yall think" type song lmao

[@annkuznetsova8388]

I feel like she is better being part of blackpink. Her songs are only like "I have money, I am better, I am a star", well, the most recent one is about love, but, can we even consider that song as her song?. Same with Jennie, at least her songs are different, both are amazing but the style and everything work better as a group. But with Rose is a different story, I do think she has that something special as a solo artist, like she actually has something different, something to "say"

[@weirdbiever4405]

i am so glad people are baginning to address blackpink members' weaknesses. the problem about blackpink as a whole group is that they dont really seem idols anymore. they arent singing live much in concerts that are hella expensive, sometimes they dont dance in sync, after years of hiatus. lisa has been doing everything to keep doing what she is doing best at--dancing, like yes u are known for ur dancing but u cant really gain much popularity when u are a singer but dont sing well enough to do it like any other singer would. dancing is not absolutely required for anyone to be a singer, but being able to sing well is.

[@0Jamie0]

YG wasn't searching for a real singing talent when they casted Lisa. I think they wanted her to support the three Korean girls as a dancer who do the choreographies and the small rapping part. They put much effort in jisoo who couldn't sing at that time but due to 24/7 singing lessons she inproved a lot. Jennie and Rose are naturally talented with their voice. So it's so difficult for Lisa to establish a career in the Western music industry, because she can't compete with real talented singers there. It's also hard for her to be successful as a solo artist in Korea, because there are plenty of good male korean rappers and other good female singers. Fortunately she has a solid fanbase from the south eastern asian countries who support her no matter if she can sing or not.

[@ggstan2439]

Just an observation. Jisoo is at the same level of Lisa as a singer. Jisoo is just more confident I guess.

[@maxcase8993]

​@@ggstan2439Lisa is not on jisoo's level lol jisoo is definitely better

[@ggstan2439]

@ they are both E. They are on the same level. Jisoo is just vocally mora confident

[@maxcase8993]

@@ggstan2439 jisoo is definitely better that's why she is more confident

[@ggstan2439]

@ nope both strain and cant support. Lisa is more relaxed. Jisoo is more stable. That’s it.

[@ok5649]

your criticisms are so healthy and encouraging now i feel like I need vocal training 😩

[@jessica3218]

You can do it! You’re a rockstar! ⭐️

[@Abhi-moh]

I also feel the same....I love how she's giving us so much music that YG has ever given but I just feel a bit of more vocal practice would really help her improve her performance ....Singing and performing as a soloist is tough and we understand that her role in blackpink was different ...I really love her exploring side just some technique refinement would elevate her so much in the industry ....I just want someone to personally guide her like this for her betterment ....Love love love the team she's working with but someone please ask her to get guided vocal assistance during her breaktime and daily practice and she would do wonders ....

[@g.m.bautista2933]

I agree she need an honest team who can guide her because she have a huge potential.

[@Larissabnc]

The parts that she takes off her mic from her mouth and the voice still going on while she just smiles is just….. girl I love u but watch some Britney’s performance to learn if you’re going to use playback that much. She won’t be able to put on a whole concert like this, if she wants to go solo she has to remember that she is not only the main dancer anymore. I’m a blink for almost 7 years now, this is not a hate comment.

[@gallyi34]

Non BP fan here. Maybe she's just like sunmi? When it's backtrack maybe she just doesn't wanna lie to her fans? Sunmi does that a lot. When she is not singing she just doesn't use her micro and smiles

[@tulipsanaa]

@@gallyi34that’s definitely not the case. She’s just not confident in singing and she’s said that.

[@Larissabnc]

@@gallyi34 but Sumni does not have the same goals as Lisa. Lisa wants to become a global artist, she is doing a major effort to reach this audience. Therefore she should leave aside a little bit of the kpop way to perform. I think she will improve with time tho, I will be hoping and following.

[@clara-rq9my]

i agree. lisa has come so far and i'm proud of her as a blink, so i know she can do even better. she's nothing if not a hard worker

[@Roxst1905]

Stop defending her coz shes a rapper blah blah blah.. take doja cat as example, shes a rapper but at least can hold her vocal lines and tones of HER OWN SONGS

[@synexwalter5755]

There is also the fact that she is insecure about her vocals...in the video where rosé was encouraging her to sing with her, lisa clearly said that I don't think I will do a good job. We also have to keep in mind that she was the dancer, rapper and then a vocalist. So I think YG trained her in a way where she would sing less and rap more.

[@sky_6341]

Lisa was going to be a lead vocalist but it was changed to lead rapper. I've seen a lot of fans that she could stay as a lead vocalist because, even though she isn't the best, her vocals are great, I've never agreed she always seemed insecure on her vocals and like vocals weren't her thing so I don't know what was going on at YG during her training.

[@moptop4355]

This is actually a huge factor. He’s mentioned this before, but o guess he left it out here. But her insecurities around her voice has affected her and she shys away from it. I think she needs to be with vocal coach that would encourage her to believe in herself.

[@synexwalter5755]

@@moptop4355 yeah I remember her interview where the host congratulated her on Rockstar release and said that her fans loved it...and she said really? I am glad because I thought they would not like it... something like that.

[@zaraandrews600]

It reminds me of how Rosé struggles with rapping, so YG pigeon holed her into singing.

[@belaytriks]

That is what the training is for, to learn and solidify her skills so she can be confident while singing.

[@treasureawingura2630]

lisa was not ready for a solo artist yet.. 1. Not a good singer 2. Not a strong rapper either ** Dancing is not enough lisa 3. She needs a vocal lessons..

[@LizzieShiro]

I don't follow BlackPink, but whenever I saw footage of them, Lisa always took my attention. She has a type of voice that can be incredible if she gets a vocal coach. It has a unique texture and tone. Honestly I'm looking forward to what she puts out.

[@studydopamine-fm5pz]

You think that way but really ?

[@serendipity211]

her tone is awful and annoying. kpop fans really are delusional

[@Oftenlost-n9z]

I think she rarely sings tho?? And when she gets a chance to sing in BP's songs, it's usually talk-like singing lines.

[@g.m.bautista2933]

​​​​@@Oftenlost-n9z you are right. She was not giving a chance to sing sing. Lisa have a huge potential she can sing she need a team who will be honest to her performance and vocals. So that she will gain more confidence and improve. I still remember when Rosè encourage her to sing LOVE during a fan meet and she said she do not sing she rap because she is not confident at it. Fast forward when And later on when she realese LALISA she is so thankful to teddy for being honest and let her sing. That is the time that she realize that she can really sing. She only need to improve vocally and have some technique and most especially be confident. During her last performance i feel that she's not confident. Let us give her time to improve.

[@LizzieShiro]

@@studydopamine-fm5pz I don't know what you mean by that. I mean what I said and I stand by that. If you can't handle my opinion, get bent.

[@a.t.l400]

She should be just a model

[@moptop4355]

Just as expected! The video is fair and nuanced. This coming from a Lisa fan. Also I would like to point out that she just started working with one of the best vocal producers in the industry. So I believe she’s been slightly improving, but will improve with more a focused vocal coach. Let’s give her time, this is only the beginning of her solo career outside of YG. Also it’s important to note most of her apprehension seems to stem from her insecurity and fear of failing. She’s afraid to open up and sing, but if she never does she won’t get better. I think she will continue to sing, but as time goes on her backing track will decrease little by little. Also I always thought she had a similar tone to Tyla, and Justine Sky.

[@aintnootherfan]

I do believe she feels pressure and doesn’t want to let herself fail at singing for people to hear and hate But I’m sure that the more she practices and the more control she gets - the more confident she’ll feel to use her voice.

[@moptop4355]

@@aintnootherfan Totally! Fingers crossed she gets those lessons, it’s necessary.

[@nilifth3989]

Man the ick i got when i heard moonlit floor...

[@strgrlszn]

BRO, the ooh lalal part itself turned me off so bad 😭😭 i was skipping all the reels and stories that were posted to that song ;-;

[@eurika9111]

Why though? Her fanbase dont bother about that. As long as she's pretty, can dance and act cutesy everytime, everything she'll do will be sold.

[@SquakOhNo]

I mean, she is pretty popular & and brings in numbers, but she'll never be taken seriously if she can't even perform her own songs live. She isn't global yet, and she needs to be loved by everyone if she will, but not everyone will accept lipsyncing at every performance. She was bashed by casual on Twitter for her Genius interview, and the Gobal Citizen performance made it worse. Fans deluding themselves into thinking everything is "hate" when its genuine criticism will ruin her.

[@n0th1ngsp3c1al]

all of those things wont save her unfortunately

[@VEEKAY-vh9ze]

Hear me out the thing is she wouldn't care less about improving, because she knows she has millions of fans who would defend her for life

[@13_1R15]

Lisa got famous because of BP. She's a performer and the other members' vocals simply "hid" the fact she can't sing. Without BP, she's being exposed as "illit" like.

[@Majesticqueen1997]

She doesn’t have any vocal position in bp, but Lisa can sing for a main dancer and sub vocalist but she needs confidence and more vocal training

[@brandoncole5533]

​@@Majesticqueen1997 thing is on a global scale, you can't just divide things into "oh she's good for a main dancer" the rest of the world is gonna look at you like you're crazy. The world operates on WAY higher vocal standards than KPOP. They're not going to see a main dancer doing her best because in a solo setting it doesn't matter. She's the main dancer, and the main vocalist when she's solo. She gotta step it up and people need to stop making excuses

[@Majesticqueen1997]

@@brandoncole5533 and she will, she just started a solo journey and with the amounts of backlash she will do better in the future I just wanted to remind people that she’s a non vocalist and her job was to dance and rap for 8 years

[@mayiluvu3]

Illit catching strays 😭 they’re literally a 5 month old group

[@svkuch1974]

​@@mayiluvu3I know right ..just make your point without dragging others into this. This just comes off as hateful behavior

[@Blueishhman]

Id love to see an analysis of the gg Billlie. They're super talented and I think the main vocalists are one of the best voices of 4th gen.

[@luvrinas]

yes please billlie are so cool

[@VideosForYou90]

Omg agree!

[@ChloeBx]

Their songs are also really interesting !! Especially all the bsides are always top tier

[@divx1001]

Not to mention that their music is just top tier. Musically they already transcended k-pop for me, so good!!!

[@Rag3D3Lta]

I literally went through all of the comments 😅 and everybody had some good points its so refreshing to see people give contructive and fair criticism whitout bashing her i feel like we should give her time to find her sound its good to see that shes experimenting with different things and as somebody pointed out back in her trainee days she had A's in her classes and i feel like that even tho she didnt feel confident doing vocal stuff somebody should've pushed her to help her get better at it so that she could be in a better place today and yes i do agree i would like her to take some vocal lessons so that she feels more confident with her singing abilities it would help her in the long run lets see where she goes from here cause obviously shes super talented as a dancer and rapper and with more practice i can only imagine what she would be able to do with her singing i hate seeing her get so much hate and i feel like people should give her sometime it doesnt matter how long shes been in the game for if she had minimal singing/vocal practice and maybe her tone is whats been holding her back a little too so she is limited in the notes she can reach maybe? so as i said lets give her time to find her sweet spot so that she can give us her best and finally shut the haters up (or shut them down?😉 see what i did there?)

[@Alexie-e5v]

A real hater Sometimes can act like a supportive fan.😊

[@Rag3D3Lta]

@@Alexie-e5v i am not a hater of hers and far from it lol i been trying to stop people from doing just that cause i hate seeing people attacking her 😔

[@ketiponglalongchar6051]

I’m a lily I’ve been a blink since day 1 , I haven’t watched this video yet but I want to let out my opinion that : I wish she stayed with kpop. It’s okay to dream big but we should know our value. Also by sticking to kpop she would have dominated kpop and western fandom would have stayed curious about her as well, cause to be very honest she’s not ready for western industry. Don’t hate Rosie for this but the only one who can make a small cut out there would be Rosie just because she can actually sing write and produce. Edit : in fact blackpink should have just stuck to being a group but I guess it is what it is

[@camilamc-gm1cu]

What about jennie?? She can sing and rap

[@QueenDaphné]

Believe it or not, She took singing lessons before joining the company---> trained for another 5 years---> debuted in 2016-now it's 2024. If 12+++years wasn't enough,try drinking holy water and pray for a miracle.

[@hi_itsluca]

Her vocal coach must’ve been horrible then

[@QueenDaphné]

@@hi_itsluca dunno about that.

[@gial5338]

Well i don't think YG vocal training is made to improve the singing hability, it feels more that the comapny want to push more a unique style on their trainies. I personally hate what YG made to Rose's and Bom's vocal, the way they sang before they became idols were much better than the after. So i doubt Lisa had a good vocal training in YG, and even if she recived lessons before, maybe the company made her forget all that to make her sing on their style.

[@daniahfilms]

Maybe she's not really a gifted singer to be with nor has she found her style like Taylor Swift (who was apparently not the best singer there is, but she does have her style that fits her which is good).

[@QueenDaphné]

@@daniahfilms Taylor isn't my cup of tea, but she does play instruments and write her own songs.

[@mhi.h6336]

I fear LISA's career will face the same downfall as Bella Poarch in a couple of years. Not writing your own songs and not singing them live can only save you as a " singer " for so long.

[@VVilla-zh5mw]

and Bella Poarch is 100% better singer than Lisa 😅

[@mhi.h6336]

@VVilla-zh5mw She is. She has stable vocals. I really adored ber as an artist even though she didn't write herself much.

[@aurelia1108]

Lisa is better off as a dancer. (Which is her forte) And she can market that and just not use a mic nd focus on choreography. But if she is really passionate about singing/rapping. Then she has to put in the extra time and effort to practise with a vocal coach

[@reveluvcakes]

Another reason for the criticism is her fans hyping her up to be tge best in the industry on all fronts, saying she doesn't need the group. I saw them arguing with lady gaga stans recently and they were hell bent on proving she's more popular and relevant 😭

[@MiuXP]

If just her fans stop taking criticism as hate on her... actually, K-pop fans in general, most of them don't know the differences between hating and criticism🫤

[@neverasked666]

Her fans don't realize that most people who are criticizing her are worried about her not because they hate her I myself so in love with her songs and I got really disappointed seeing her not putting any effort to sing She can do better.

[@ElizabethOnyike]

I wish her all the best in her career

[@helenjaimes7507]

Can you create a video analyzing EXO and their vocal techniques and how they complement each other within the group?

[@ElizabethOnyike]

I absolutely agree with with everything you said......I'd like if she train herself more in vocal training it will help her alot

[@Blahblahblah03-24]

Training period is over y’ll.

[@Surya_3103]

Lmao 🤣

[@Blahblahblah03-24]

@toxic_blink-99 jimin can 💯 % sing live then her.

[@Blahblahblah03-24]

@toxic_blink-99 I don’t want to argue with haters.

[@Blahblahblah03-24]

@toxic_blink-99 your name says it all and my name too 😂😂🤣🤣

[@Blahblahblah03-24]

@toxic_blink-99 🤣🤣🤣🤣 but jimin can sing live ☺️☺️

[@carolynp552]

Lisa is a great example of what BSH was talking about when he said he looks for star quality over talent. Look at how much more successful and popular Lisa is (honestly all the BP girls for that matter) compared to Taeyeon, Wendy, Hyolyn, etc., etc. Talent alone will not make a successful artist, no matter how much of it they have. There needs to be another form of appeal that draws someone to them, it's not quantifiable but it's real!

[@nuhkyah23]

I thought of this too, alot of people dragged him for the comment but it's true. But now that she has people looking, she will need to tighten up them vocals and put something behind the star quality.

[@ClubPuguin]

@@nuhkyah23 I mean she has the dancing already so all she has to do is a reverse-Dua Lipa.

[@alexlovessamoyeds]

I think there's definitely something to be said in that regard, but it's also important to guard these artists from giving out low-hanging fruit for criticism by equipping them with the basics/solid foundations in singing and dancing or rapping. Not every singer needs to be the next mariah carey, but they do need to be able to competently and reliably perform songs barring things like injury/illness impairing this. This is where I feel BSH fails to realize his company's weakness.

[@WarriorSageNeha]

​@@nuhkyah23 lisa's example is perfect reason why people who dragged bsh were right 😂😂 with Star quality you need atleast below average talent

[@rubyrubacus9787]

​@@WarriorSageNehaShe is talented but wasted potential. She's an amazing dancer and a good performer. But she needs to train her vocals. She can rap but she has a lot of working to do. Calling her talentless is not true.

[@nameisamine]

She’s a rapper & dancer first, not a singer. But when she’s making English language music I think Lisa will be advised to sing more. The more Lisa raps in English, in the western market, the more it will bring comparison to western female rap acts (who are predominantly black), and the more she’ll risk falling into the trap door and mine field of cultural appropriation discourse and ‘blaccent’ accusations - especially if she’s from Thailand using AAVE. If she flies too close to the sun, Black America will have something to say, and loudly reject her, making it _very uncool_ for anybody to listen to _‘Lisa the culture vulture with the fake blaccent’_ thus making rap releases from her instantly radioactive to anyone who remotely cares about hiphop culture - in other words, it could be a repeat of Iggy Azelea all over again. ☢️ notice how when BTS came to do their English language songs, they toned down the rapping to avoid that trap altogether and just made bubblegum pop songs.

[@aquarius489]

Agree so much with this whole comment. Her past and merits as idol rapper/*lack* of merit as a western rapper is absolutely a minefield and her team would be smart to give it a wide berth. I was always concerned about this for a western debut so I'm glad they weeded out that little blaccent and moved away from her YG image. They should stay far away too because her becoming radioactive would happen just like you said.

[@nameisamine]

@@aquarius489 you can be Asian in this space and be respected in your own alternative way. M.I.A laid that blueprint in the late 00’s - she effortlessly blended hiphop, Pop & electronica, she also sang but was not a singer - much like Lisa. M.I.A was also hugely critically acclaimed, unlike Iggy who was dismissed as a joke and a cosplayer presenting as a black caricature. It was always my no.1 concern about K-pop idols crossing over to the west, it’s the no.1 trap to avoid once they enter English-language music. They can get away with appropriation in the Asian market, they can’t too overtly do it promoting English language music in the west or it will end in tears. 😭

[@Thesilentvoice...]

I think she can rap but has to improve drastically and keep working on the craft, meaning she needs to learn how to freestyle from the top of her head, rhyme, and flow and it has to make sense/resonate with the Western audience. Jay Park is the only person in K-pop (he's now a K rnb artist) who was able to somewhat make a breakthrough as an Asian rapper in the US. Although he didn't have huge success, he could get some foot in the door because he had all these things, which made him seem serious. Lisa being a girl and not black wouldn't stop her if she actually comes across as authentic, not blackfishing, and works on her craft to a crazy extent. But she's really a dancer before a rapper. Jennie is Black Pink's main rapper, so if anything it could be her that tries to break the threshold but she seems to be a pop star more than a rapper.

[@nameisamine]

@@Thesilentvoice... Jennie is actually even less convincing to me as a rapper than Lisa is. I can’t see Jenny or Lisa on a track rapping with Megan, Doja Cat or Latto and out rapping them. They definitely can’t outsing Sabrina Carpenter or Chappell Roan, and dancing isn’t as valued in the American market, so they’ll have to dig deep to give people outside of their fanbase a reason to get onboard.

[@strgrlszn]

such a good observation! 👏

[@Thebibleseriespodcast]

Hot take: when I compare her journeys to Rose I can't help but get the feeling she's selling herself cheaply. I mean I look at her one of the best and most celebrated dancers in the world, so famous, parading herself around as if the only thing she has to offer is her body. She's so talented and shouldn't feel like her looks is all she has. I definitely get that vibe, especially since she kicked started the solo career with a burlesque show. In comparison, Rose looked like she was wearing clothes she would normally wear on any other day in Number One Girl and her vocals are freakin amazing. She's my bias and didn't disappoint at all. That's what we've been waiting for. What's cool about Lisa is her rapping and dancing. It makes her captivating and edgy and suits her personality. She shines and you could hardly take your eyes off of her.. But with singing she doesn't shine as bright. Rather than reinvent the wheel she might want to stick with what she's strong with in the first place and what made her famous rapping/dancing. I also feel like whoever is guiding her right now is not making the best decisions. She's too strongly doing the sex sells tactic that's popular in the US but that's a dime a dozen and if she didn't get the memo we are bored with our stars and they don't influence us as much as they used to. So rather than be a dime a dozen she should be true to herself.

[@twalumbamusaya5801]

I would say rosé and Lisa have very different branding like even in blackpink Lisa has the sexy imagine I don't think Lisa would ever make a rosé type song neither would rosé make a Lisa type song.

[@Thebibleseriespodcast]

@@twalumbamusaya5801 that's a fair assessment. I think in America that's been highlighted even more maybe because the difference in cultures. Maybe more so than her other talents like her amazing dance ability. I just don't think it was a good look for her just because pretty girls are a dime a dozen what makes her stand out is confidence/ dancing/ rap. That's kind of my take on it though but I hear what you're saying and that's also a very fair perspective.

[@tobiasberto]

thank you for pointing this out, I was also thinking the same while watching her live performance lately, Lisa seems overwhelmed on her own with such complicated movements and complex techniques.

[@rose.bp.]

i love this girl so much and NEED her to get some lessons! she should be able to sing harder parts more confidently like in new woman, and i hope one day she’ll be able to sing the money prechorus live🙏

[@aintnootherfan]

She can totally do it confidently live if she practices more!

[@Alexie-e5v]

@@aintnootherfanshe is not perfect singer but overall she made me and all my friends fall for her lol she has a great and charming stage performance. 😊

[@joons3707]

moonlit floor was a hard listen ngl the ‘oolala lala’ part was so off putting, it sounds like a meme on tiktok. shes a very visual artists, cant deny every music videos production, her team invest a lot of money in it, for the choreography and performances on stage she got sean bankhead who is a dope and incredibly talented choreographer to be in this project. however her tone and ability to sing really dimmed out all the lights glamour extravagant visuals and performances her and her team has been working on.

[@ЮлияК-ч3р]

Totally agree! Thank you for a video!

[@petenice75]

It’s not about western or eastern standards. It’s about being a solo artist. She is fine as part of a group where she can stay in her lane and excel in what she is good at but when she needs to carry the whole performance she lacks the skills to carry every aspect of a whole performance. I am neither a fan or a hater. Just saying (I hope) without any bias, just what I see from afar.

[@Alexie-e5v]

Have you even been to her concert why u think she lack of skills for being a solo artist . My friends said she is very good and her performance was great . She made lots of my friends fall for her even they were anti BP.

[@emanueltheodorus1056]

​@@Alexie-e5v Her performance was not the problem. Her stagnancy in her vocals, especially in the songs she sang on solo, is the core issue. It's not about being an anti turned fan it's about the voices in the first place.

[@gial5338]

​@@Alexie-e5v but that's tge point, Lisa standout as a performer, not as a singer, they are different things, and to be solo artist you must be more than a performer, that's why not all kpop idols should be soloists.

[@n0th1ngsp3c1al]

​@@Alexie-e5v my friend, theres something called backtrack. lisa uses that to prevent her from actually singing soooo idk what u on

[@chrissyd6562]

I'm more worried about Lisa continuing to use her underdeveloped voice to the point of damaging it and eventually being unable to do anything authentically. Indeed, rapping doesn't require as much vocal technique as singing. But it still requires healthy vocal practices and pitch recognition, (Something we know she struggles with) I know Lillies are never going to see Lisa's flaws no matter how apparent they are so she'll never see a reason to improve or better her skills or technique. I wish nothing but the best for Lisa, but she knows she makes money regardless of the quality of her voice.

[@mamobee]

I agree completely with this analysis. With each new live performance Lisa does it makes me think more and more that she is a studio singer, like Selena Gomez for example. She has insane star power but to make it in the west she'll need a skill upgrade in order to compete. She's always put an emphasis on performance/stage presence which helped her standout with Blackpink, but compared to western artists both her rapping and singing needs work. I'm rooting for her! I want her and all the Blackpink members to succeed.

[@bidyosko]

i love this! and i hope her fans can be more open-minded. As a blink, I really feel bad when people used to say she 'carries' BP concerts, as if the other 3 are doing nothing. To your point, her parts do not really require much of her -- so yeah, she needs to display energy in dancing and hyping the crowd because that's the support she can give to her group mates who are required to give more by singing and dancing at the same time. It really depends on what Lisa wants to do -- she needs to choose. If she wants to be a singer, then yes, she needs more training. If she wants to be known as a rapper, then maybe she can write her own bars now and train on freestyle. If she wants to focus on dancing, then she can focus on really cool choreography even if she makes her backtrack loud in her live performances-- people will just be mesmerized by the choreography. She does not need to be everything and just focus on they key things that she's really good at. And fans need to be okay if Lisa wants to specialize on dancing. Her solo fans get offended when people notice the improvements needed on her singing, or if she's lipsynching -- they would say her "mic is on" -- but what's the sound that's coming out? She has good fundamentals and a huge base of rabid fans I'm sure she can have a long career. If she wants to go acting as an adjacent career option, and she's good at it (eagerly anticipating White Lotus), then that can be a parallel option as well. She's the biggest Southeast Asian star out there and people will continue to support her if she continues to show improvements in performance or in terms of acting.

[@violetash9597]

Thank you! At least someone said it.

[@v4leree]

3:49 that's right i've noticed she absolutely never sings that part it kind if annoys me a little bit lol

[@Misakininbo]

You have no idea how many people I had to fight over this lol they be praising shaky vocals on fancams but refusing to even acknowledge her failing live vocals. Yes, it's difficult to sing while dancing but skipping whole parts of YOUR song is unacceptable tbh, they're supposed to train for that(?). I won't pay an overpriced ticket to watch an "artist" doing a whole playback of their own songs, we can have that at school haha

[@iamjisooiamokay9283]

finally someone talks about this

[@reafinley]

Great video, all of your points are valid 👍

[@TattoedKiss]

I think the biggest problem it's the same that the one in the band. She gives 10/10 to the performance pre recorded like the music video/tiktoks/clips etc but when it comes to do it live, there's no confidence to go all the way and that's how she ends up giving less and less in the performances. She's also really bad adviced by the people around her if after the VMAs, the same thing keeps happening.

[@Chris-wx5mr]

I agree with what you said In the video:) Let's hope Lisa realize that If she wants to improve as a solo artist in the western market, she will have to be able to sing live with low backtrack since that is what people tend to mainly focus on.

[@casualuser2317]

She’s just a good dancer Nothing more nothing less Those lipsync all the time is irritating at a time.

[@Mel-jl8dt]

Also i want to add, the big western artists like ariana, taylor, olivia, sabrina, billie, chapelle, lana, etc spent years building an identity and built their craft around something theyre amazing at. They all take huge part in the making of their music, have interesting lyrics and can hold their ground vocally to some extend. You hear them, you recognise them. Lisa feels very manufactured compared to that (normal that's the norm in kpop but not so much in the west). If she starts being more active in the making of her music and focus on her musical identity outside of "lisa from bp who raps and dances well". Also her solo feel bp rejects... Same for jennie to be honest. That's why it doesn't work for me. If she wants to focus on the western market, she needs to understands western market Also the overconfident lyrics is a saturated market. People crave more likeability and relatability where you see the personality shine through the lyrics

[@janayroyster9968]

I think this is the lesson of going from a group work. BP are talented but like any skill you have to continue practicing it. Now, she has to do all the lifting, and all eyes are on her w/o the other 3 members to take up the slack of you will. Take Dua Lipa. She worked hard to become a better performer. There's a difference between hate and constructive criticism. that's something all stans have to learn. The VMAs really exposed her weaknesses, especially comparing her performance to the other artists on the show. We want her to succeed but silence any haters and really showcase her properly w/o feeling uneasy about her vocals

[@whoislaura05]

As a Blackpink fan and specially Lisa being my bias, I completely agree with everything you said in this video. I love Lisa but sometimes I feel that she's forgetting that she is becoming a huge artist and needs to sing LIVE and not focus much on her dancing, I mean by this point we all know she can dance pretty good. I wouldn't mind if one day she decides to quite and rather become a profesional dance choreographer because she got the talent for it, we can see it in "Youth with you". She loves to dance, you can see it every time she steps the stage but that's the thing, she's focusing more on dancing and not on her singing. Her vocals become lost. I think she's just searching for her style, I'm mean, back then, YG use to do that and now that she's on her own, she's trying out different and new stuff. I'm wishing too Lisa the best and hope one day she becomes the BIG star she dreams to be! 💖

[@rakshithareddy5894]

Thank goodness someone spoke about it. Every time I say this blinks come at me 😂 I am like the biggest blink ever but come on

[@Rorschach-t2s]

She has RIDICULOUS potential considering very few dancers are great rappers and singers in the western industry. she's such a great dancer, she just needs to channelize herself more towards live singing and that would make her a powerhouse. ( And she doesn't need to be some Christina Aguilera either,she just needs to SING LIVE.)

[@theysay04]

She does need this. I think it has more to do with her vocal confidence. She doesn't have a powerful voice but i don't think her vocal is bad. I mean you remember that one time she attempted to imitate the penthouse character singing opera? She absolutely has potential to be a great vocalist. If she can get a good coach, i think she can go even farther.

[@ericalen920]

This is weird because I was more confident in CL’s debut as a solo artist in the west compared to Lisa’s. I feel like her aura has been dimmed since she broke away from BP. She does need to improve and can’t be always given half ass of everything and she needs to sing her own songs, and have those vocals in check.

[@IGRT89]

I think Lisa worked with BP because she had 3 other people to rely on. But on her own...all her shortcomings are front and center. And with the competition that exist in the Western market, I don't think she'll make it far. The pop girls are killing it with the vocals and she doesn't match their ability. Neither does her rapping. Success for her is going to require improvement on her part.

[@thegoodfeelings1031]

Honestly I’m glad I’ve found this video, I thought I was the only one thinking she isn’t that good as a solo artist in the western market. Her songs also lack depth and are very repetitive with the meanings and lyrics. I hope she improves cause she was an inspiration for me in 2019 :(