Why Managers Exist (It's Not Why You Think)

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We've all had a bad manager at one point or another. We've probably all had some decent ones too. But why do they exist? Ask just about any worker and they'll tell you that "manager" is a useless position. So, if their job is meaningless...where did the position come from?
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The New Spirit of Capitalism
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[@WanderingExistence]

Get dat money, like Engels

[@Swordphobic]

Not going to judge, but I do recall some talk about this in the early deprogramers episodes... Pay your bills though, if they're giving you good money I couldn't care less.

[@CStriker421]

Hey, JT. Mind explaining yourself for the video you made for the CPUSA regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine? You still have a lot to answer for regarding the outright lies you espoused there. Elsewise, I will call you out for your blatant "Anti-America at all costs" attitude and make sure that my friends, family, and community disregard your channel for propaganda. As is, your take is part of the reason why the left gets a bad name along with the likes of Noam Chomsky, and are a detriment to the socialist cause, not a strength.

[@stevechance150]

Button up your shirt. Are you trying to be a gigolo or something?!

[@Okieant]

Nice to see you getting sponsorships again. I looked at this company recently and I like the premise

[@mrsjayrez2627]

As a retail store manager for a corporation privately owned by one man worth 7.7bil, I can tell you it’s no longer a job that pays the bills. We are responsible for everything and control nothing.

[@jimhaverlock9784]

As the hourly manager of a crab restaurant, I feel this comment in my bones.

[@ey67]

Welcome to predatory capitalism. Enjoying it just like the other people. I only ever had one good manager because he was a human being. Most are reptiles because they have to adopt the corporate mentality to keep their jobs.

[@smileyeagle1021]

I once worked at a gas station, the kitchen manager, who only made $12 an hour, got written up because she was making unauthorized changes to the menu. She noticed that a lot of customers were taking breakfast burritos from the warmer, taking them over to the condiment bar, and adding jalapenos to them. She decided that she would start making breakfast burritos available with jalapenos already on them. Sales increased as people who wanted a breakfast burritos with jalapenos, but didn't want to deal with adding them themselves, would decide to just skip them that day, were now buying them. Corporate noticed the increase in sales, came out to find out her secret, when they found it out, they rewarded her with a write up. When she returned to only doing the official menu, sales dropped, customer satisfaction survey scores dropped, and corporate wrote her up again for having declines on multiple metrics. She quit the next day. Yeah, it truly is responsibility for everything and control of nothing.

[@l00tur]

John Menards?

[@ScotterOtter]

@@smileyeagle1021 of course it's never the capitalist's fault - "stick to the script/ we own you, you bear our mistakes." Glad she got out of that fucking charade/sham of corporate fuckwittery.

[@PhoenixtheII]

When managers look down they see shit. When employees look up, they see assholes.

[@coolioso808]

Haha. Clearly, capitalism is an a$$-backwards system.

[@rickhernandez2114]

That's gold.

[@davidrussell8689]

I wish I could hit the like button a hundred times 😂

[@dinamosflams]

its a fuck shit stack

[@jer103]

I think managers have to deal with a lot of shit that's not just from their employees.

[@Octoberfurst]

I was a State worker for 25 years before I retired. I never had a desire to become management and stayed a worker bee. When asked why, I pointed out the fact that the managers, although they got better pay, they also had to deal with the ire of the employees and also from the higher-ups. In other words, they are the ones that everybody bitches at. Employees complain to the managers about working conditions, while the higher-ups push the managers to make the employees work harder for less. It's a thankless job. And although we had a union, it was basically worthless. The union reps were buddy-buddy with the higher-ups and were there to basically placate us and tell us to "be reasonable." I hated it. We need to get rid of this stinking capitalist system.

[@suprithAnCom]

Yup it's true not just about the unions, but about entire socialism as a whole. Capitalists have figured out to control socialism, just like they do with unions, so socialist govts around the world actually embrace capitalism while only talking ideology to the oppressed. What we need is anarcho-communism, which is true socialism, not this capitalist controlled socialism..

[@PrestoJacobson]

State worker? Name & shame?? Not USPS, right?

[@birdieg3614]

That is exactly the explanation I always use when asked why I don't want to become a "manager" 😂 Good to see that I'm not the only one thinking that way 😉

[@hellacooook]

@@Numberzerosixhave you seen the town hall and the people there representing the local level? The police budget and renewable energy of public transportation account for nearly 50% of a city’s budget. Often the cops are abusing the allowable overtime and their department frequently replaces vehicles with less than 75,000 miles. The cost of clean energy is extraordinarily steep and the yearly maintenance cost does not justify the savings found in diesel engines.

[@wendellkirton3694]

Facts

[@brettlindsay3027]

I manage a corporate owned coffee shop and I feel this everyday. I genuinely enjoy providing a fun, safe, and respectful work environment and being their leader. I spend 90% of my working hours in the shop with employees so I see how hard they work and how great they are at their jobs. The thing that sucks is I have no say in who gets a raise. They get paid the bare minimum while performing the best and I wish I could increase their pay. Unfortunately, raises are the responsibility of someone at corporate who has never even met my employees…This is CRAZY! I also get paid the bare minimum and work 6 days a week, technically only work 40 hours but doesn’t account for all the texts, phone calls, posts, etc. that I do on my time off from work. It is so hard to live in this Capitalistic society :/

[@jer103]

That's how my manager at a privately owned gas station was. It wasn't just her responsibility of doing all of the business, vendor, and employee responsibilities. Any major problems that arose would need you to contact her. So, she was putting in 50+ hours a week in person, plus other outside issues that came up. When I started, there were 2 other assistant managers. However, they quit, and left all the responsibility to only one person.

[@michealforguson5317]

I wish that wasn't how things went. At my previous job, I started at $8/hr. Went to $8.50 after a year. Then to $9.25 after three. Eventually my general manager tries to get me another raise to $10. But the District Manager kept "forgetting" to send it to corporate to approve. I wish we could take out the middleman.

[@pizzaface817]

Well hey!! Maybe you can be on undercover boss and be given a few thousand dollars!!!! Keep going!!!!!!

[@EBFilmsMan]

Hey, Brett. Thank you for speaking out. I'm curious what it would take to turn your coffee shop into an independently owned business instead of a franchise. It seems like this would be the best way to have local control over more things.

[@Rebeccaugust]

Disgusting 😮

[@kataroquasinzki7383]

_Work harder so that your boss can retire faster_ Read this on a sign during some labor protest. Cracked me up. May that sign holder live long and prosper✊️

[@taygodly]

Work smarter, but most people are stupid and you can’t fix that, we don’t have a capitalism problem we have a stupid problem.

[@micosstar]

what sign to behold!

[@newagain9964]

Should say “…so mgt can retire faster.” So to be very clear.

[@KiwiCatherineJemma]

There was a photo-meme going around on Facebook. Sorry I cannot attach it here, but a guy standing in front of a new Ferrari. The words underneath say something like..."I just bought myself a new car. And if YOU work hard, do all the unpaid overtime you can, and work through Christmas Day without taking your vacation time off, then Next Year, I'll buy another one !"

[@darthbrandon2149]

No one becomes a "self-made millionaire" on their own. For every "self-made millionaire" there are long lists of former employees who were exploited to maximum extent.

[@automaton111]

When I’ve been a “manager,” there was always a higher level manager treating me like a peon. Making me do all the hands on work as well. Never mentoring me or giving me actual freedom to decide how things are run. I couldn’t even get paid training for my small team.

[@automaton111]

@@MemeMemeson Yes exactly. And whenever I tried acting like a manager I would get retaliated against. I tried to implement a policy of service level agreements. Definitions for things like emergency work versus non-emergency work and the turnaround times for each. I was retaliated against and shut down for that. I could not even get a promise to at least give me as much heads as possible on new work. The big boss above me wanted the power to make every assignment an emergency demanding immediate turnaround at a moments notice

[@thomaswikstrand8397]

Sounds awfully familiar. No actual freedom of action, but serving as an excellent scape goat for higher management.

[@marciamartins1992]

Yep that's right, so I quit....and here are the consequences, I won't be paying taxes, or my student loans back.

[@07Flash11MRC]

That's because under capitalism you're not supposed to change the system. Every change to the system means less profit and power for the elite. They already own everything, so they can only lose.

[@frgwyn3760]

Well they have to calculate profits and look into marketing and such.

[@durience253]

One thing I’ve noticed about management it is it’s a culture that literally changes your personality. I’ve seen so many workers go into it and transform as person, and alot of companies encourage that . When I worked at Fred Myers ( a union job) the mangers are basically told to not associate in any way with the employees, not on social media or even in the break room, and it divided the work place heavily.

[@cjefferson3]

Yet they become best buddies with fellow managers

[@durience253]

@@cjefferson3 they become their own like secret society. They all hang out with each other, date each other, ect. It’s almost like a cult.

[@sybrandwoudstra9236]

We have the exact opposite thing happening at our company and it is lovely. All employees and all managers (around 30 and 3) eating at the same table. Yes, the company is growing incredibly quickly.

[@frankiefierro7129]

I used to work at a grocery store and one of my coworkers who got promoted to manager told me that they were told not to praise anyone for doing a job they were already supposed to do. It's so stupid and not surprising at all.

[@HouseofWhop1917]

Or they become delusional with corporate values because they want to grow in the company so bad like my store manager. Even as her assistant manager she can't seem to understand my realistic approach and opinions on the job market and thinks giving a 100% at your job is necessary even though she doesn't. She wants to be a DM so bad that I feel she won't ever get it no matter how corporate she becomes.

[@Frank71]

The manager used to be the most skilled employee who was the "go to" person when the employee was stumped. Today, the Manager knows less than the new employee.

[@alexanderreyes47]

I have been a retail manager for over ten years and I love this comment. Every position I have held I had to work my way up from entry level. I have had to work alongside so many other managers that are completely inept.

[@blackdandelion5549]

Doesn't have enough likes. It really was that the manager was the most skilled, knowledgeable person who could answer any questions and handle whatever happened. . . . . . . . . .and now. . . . . . . . .I know people who became managers by having a beer with the owner and have ZERO qualifications.

[@UltimateGattai]

This one really hits home, when the average employee can't solve something, it becomes pass the parcel around management until someone comes up with something.

[@brucemorris3830]

This plays out daily at my shop, largely because people like myself who have years of experience A) like what we do, B) recognize that the no-overtime thing is a trap, and C) see the mgmt position for what it is, namely vastly more accountability with almost no real additional autonomy to make business decisions. As a result, I (sitting just above the middle of a 160+ seniority list) have more time in than my entire mgmt team. The people who take the job have minimal experience, they use it as a way to leapfrog the process of gaining seniority and incremental raises, and they lack a holistic understanding of the work flow. It’d be laughable if this wasn’t my livelihood hanging in the balance.

[@andrewbennett1176]

This is a good thing in my field. A good manager has a different set of skills than being a great engineer, and great engineers don't always make good managers....or want to deal with management duties. Even more, if you don't stay as a practitioner, you are out of date in 6 months. The definition of a knowledge worker is often someone who knows more about their job than their boss.

[@laurataylor8717]

What drives me nuts is when they lure in gig works with "be your own boss." I drove Grubhub for 3 years and was never my own boss. Writing your own schedule does not make you the boss. You don't determine what orders you get or what each order pays. If you decline orders you get penalized. If you're a few minutes late you're penalized/ have orders removed from your queue. If something comes up and you have to drop a shift you're penalized. If too many customers complain (lie about the delivery to get free food) you are suspended. You're not the boss by any means. I was an online teacher as another gig job. If you were more than 3 minutes late, even if the cause was Internet or computer problems, you were penalized and had to pay a penalty if deemed "absent". I know this video is about managers and not gig workers per se, but it's all the same. Tell workers they have more power than they do so they are easier to control and less likely to leave.

[@johnsm7th]

im sorry you had that experience, but wouldnt it be the same under communism/socialism? you would likely still be dictated your orders and paycheck, only it would be government/group of your coworkers instead of a capitalist. and you will likely still be penalized for being absent or late (i do not see a way right now where people would be naturally motivated by the system to work and do a good job without concept of money). and how communist are going to "assign" value to each job in a cashless society is something i dont understand as well, but that is a different conversation

[@laurataylor8717]

Under communism/socialism, the workers own the system and determine the pay, which tends to be more equally shared by the people actually doing the labor. Workers will continue to work hard because receiving a living wage and having a sense of ownership tends to be more of a motivation for loyalty to the workplace. If you're penalized at every turn despite your best efforts, and barely making enough to make ends meet while the owners who are in an office somewhere are making record profits, people who see you as just a number and replaceable at the drop of a hat, that's capitalism.

[@johnsm7th]

@@JohnSmith-nw3zg Stalin was a dictator, there can be no respect for common worker under a dictator. to be completely honest with you, I myself am not completely sold on the communist idea, there are just so many questions as to how will the whole system exist afterwards and not collapse into something worse, as it often did, but I do want to believe, I am believing kind of person

[@vg7985]

@@johnsm7thlol. Where did you get this nonsense? I lived in the Soviet Union for 40 years before it collapsed and I had to move to the USA after. We all were considered as owners of the means of production, and we had production goals. Usually those who reached and exceeded goals were given bonuses and promotions, but we were never punished for bad work. It definitely had effect on general productivity, and was one of the reasons why communism fell behind capitalism Too much freedom and free time. People were too relaxed.

[@johnsm7th]

@@vg7985 interesting, do you mind if i ask a few questions? what part of USSR did you live in? why did you move to USA? also please tell me more about how people were less productive than in capitalist countries back then, thank you

[@1May1312]

For a brief period at a previous job, I was made an "acting manager" to cover for my boss while he was out of town. I didn't get any pay increase or other perks, just additional responsibilities (and the tired line, "something to put on the résumé"). Although this was several years before I embraced any kind of socialist thought, I knew the value of solidarity -- so I limited my duties to signing time sheets and pretended I didn't see my co-workers playing video games or taking naps. Seriously, fvck capitalism!

[@NikosM112]

It's better living in capitalism than communism. All communist countries are failures and it sucks living there let alone being born there. a communist nation's economy is always doomed to suffer.

[@mikesell5010]

The employer got what they paid for there. If your employer cared, they would have given some sort of increase

[@jackdeniston59]

Socialsm does that too, but with everyone. Everyone except the party leaders.

[@josephyoung6749]

@@jackdeniston59 something tells me you don't work at a subway or one of the equally exploitative stand around and do nothing for zillion dollar CEOs-type jobs

[@matthewgagnon9426]

@@jackdeniston59 Authoritarian dictatorships where the leader cannot be questioned unless you want to be murdered are not socialism.

[@Westlander857]

Coming off nearly a month of medical leave due to a mental breakdown I had that was largely brought on by my new manager, thank you for this.

[@rjsimpkins2911]

Long ago, I figured out it was better to be an asymptomatic workplace carrier of stress. So much more fun to give management stress instead of reverse.

[@user-gu9yq5sj7c]

@@rjsimpkins2911 You want to give stress to others? That's wrong. Some people get stressed if they hurt others too.

[@rjsimpkins2911]

@@user-gu9yq5sj7c @@user-gu9yq5sj7c Despotic, power drunken 'management' needs to be crushed like the sociopathic cockroaches they are. The sword of stress cuts both ways. It's true not many have the cajones to do so, but some of us have enough steel in our spines to do so.

[@charliedallachie3539]

Lucky to be able to even take leave

[@spacemanrob96]

Ugh I was a manager at McDonald's several years ago and I was only paid $9.50 to put up with angry, threatening customers, keeping employees "in line" and all other bullshit tasks I was assigned. And sometimes I'd work overnights and do a double shift when we were really understaffed. Worst job of my life 😔

[@taygodly]

That’s is 100% on you what idiot would ever apply to McDonald’s, the problem is stupidity not capitalism and unfortunately you can’t fix stupid

[@thoraero]

😰😨😱

[@ArtBear88]

@@taygodly is that why everyone has given up on you? a cockroach is more productive and useful to capitalism than you

[@XLuxiosfantasyX]

"Capitalism has survived for the last century, not because it's the best system or whatever, but because those at the top of capitalist society have been able to change capitalist ideology in line with people's complaints about it" - Second Thought's explanation of a concept from The New Spirit of Capitalism by Luc Boltanski and Eve Chiapello

[@haleybrown2836]

However, here I would like to point out This system was based on the British system, the US was never meant to be a True Democracy. It was always meant for a small minority to stay in charge and live in splendor. Present capitalism is nothing more than a continuation of the old system, a small minority lives in splendor at the expense of the many.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

​@@haleybrown2836Every change since the era of kings is merely a cosmetic one

[@LyricsFred]

@@user-uk6qs5fu9z well good thing we arent promoting communism, but socialism.

[@Zybran93]

​@@haleybrown2836it's nothing more than new age feudalism

[@BigHenFor]

But Frederick Winslow Taylor, the father of Scientific Management, which influenced Henry Ford, was American, and the world has drunk at that poisoned well all too deeply. And Americans were British until they seized their freedom to create the world's largest "factory to turn evil into currency." The British had sharpened their expertise by finally conquering Ireland, to create a wealth extraction pipeline from there to Britain, and once their king was king of Scotland and of England, then the age of imperialism was a game between European powers, which the English eventually won,whilst losing the real jewel in the crown - America. Imagine if Britain had managed to take the long view and keep the total of North America? That's some alternative history I'd like to see.

[@WanderingExistence]

Wage labor is renting yourself via "self ownership". Employment is literally renting another human being as if they're property. The employer-employee relationship is a very insidious dynamic. Employment is a rental contract, like if you rented capital (say, a chainsaw from Home Depot), you pay rent for the "time preference" (basically the cost of time) for a piece of property. Capitalism is based on a principle of self ownership, which sounds empowering, until you realize that most people don't own capital goods other than themselves, and must rent out the authority over themselves as pieces of "human capital". Then they try to use tactics like management classification to deny people overtime. This is a process of dehumanization where human beings are valued for their return on investment as capital goods. This is why, at the very least, capitalism needs unions and safety nets (or abolishment), or else the system won't value people for their human value. Importantly we must also think about our sick, elderly, and disabled people, as they can't provide competitive economic return for the investor class to value. We must figure out a way to change this economic system if we wish to value each other.

[@hoopkingtay3344]

Just being clear america is a soft socialist republic, you got it right we as human beings are the currency, the currency isn't backed by gold or silver as you probably already know as you are obviously well learned. But capitalism vs communism/socialism isnt real its a fabricated dichotomy by the people in power to justify full scale communism or full scale capitalism which either way results in complete ownership by the ruling class and complete lack of ownership for everyone else. The missle gap and all the "technological advances" that communist countries had was funded and given to them by western countries and their higher ups(international bankers). That was all to create a narrative that communism somehow made/could make a more advanced futuristic society. The people in power love the hegelian dialectec. Just know overall the international bankers prefer total communism bc they can install universal basic income(again you already know we as human cattle are the currency) and allow everybody to "own nothing and be happy" as the world economic forum predicts.

[@hoopkingtay3344]

If this current world is where your hope/rest is then your best solutions for fixing these economic issues would be to advocate that the government abolish/dissolve the federal reserve/ national bank and to bring back the gold and silver standards. Of course my hope is in the Kingdom that comes after this one so endurance is where my head is at. But there are solutions to these economic issues if you research the problems and when/why they started( start a problem and sell the remedy; classic higher up thought process).

[@WanderingExistence]

​@@hoopkingtay3344 I don't quite agree, America's quite capitalist and I'm not sure how you square bankers wanting "Communism". I'm not sure I agree with your definitions. Not to mention the US dollar is backed by violence, That's why we spend over $830 billion on the military, that creates geopolitical conditions like the petrodollar and other Western friendly banana republics.

[@WanderingExistence]

​​@@ethanstroup7394 Personally, I've been interested in two grassroots groups focused on economic democracy, called the Next System Project and the Democracy Collaborative. They have devised a way to keep production local and contract service to cooperatives, called the Preston Model. They have helped multiple cities struggling with job loss due to factory closures build back their communities, in the US and UK. In addition, trade unions, collectives, public banks, credit unions, community land trusts, CSA's, and many other democratically controlled institutions can work together to create democratic networks outside the market to create an economy that doesn't reduce people, their governments, and the environment to a monetary value. I think this can be a viable strategy to give people the autonomy over their work. I'm not for completely abolishing markets but I believe in creating institutions that utilize non-market mechanisms to decrease the influence of market commoditization of society. I believe economic democracy is the only way people who work for the economy will have the economy work for them, their families, and the planet too. This way of revitalizing communities by building community wealth has helped many communities all over the globe, and it is utilized by the UK labor party and touted by Jeremy Corbyn. Preston, Lancashire became the most improved city in the UK because of community wealth building. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4DFl5uVi7OkqZY Not to mention, much of the progress in labor rights has been due to union's collective power. The thing that draws my conviction to the movement is that I can see it now, helping empower people to live happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. There are many names for it like cooperativeism or a 'pluralistic commonwealth', but it basically boils down to democratic socialism.

[@WanderingExistence]

​@@MemeMemeson Good meme, Memeson. Admittedly, my main comment is just a rewording of Marxist alienation and commodity fetishism.

[@TeamChaosPrez]

most managers i've had, without fail, let that little amount of power they get over people who make even less than them get to their head.

[@tyc6268]

I’ve noticed the employees that don’t like to work or be told what to do tend to have Marxist views about work. They spend their time thinking up reasons why they deserve everything they see other people getting rather than spending their time working for it.

[@tke3131]

that's you projecting

[@ambiarock590]

When I worked in fast food, most of the managers were just sock puppets to get orders out faster and tell us in the kitchen how to do our jobs despite us who actually work in the back everyday knowing how to do our jobs better than they did. They were nothing but sock puppets for the owners to get food out faster and to make sure it was done "the right way", cant put an extra pickle on that cheeseburger else the store would go bankrupt, or something. I did have some managers who were really cool and I loved working with them, one of whom and I carpooled in weekly and I hung out with the guy outside of work, but for the most part management there sucked My current managers at my software engineering job are nothing but sock puppets to make sure us young revolutionary workers don't topple the structure, they are supposed to be the punching bags for us workers and not the companies forcing the managers' hands into exploiting us.

[@TeamChaosPrez]

@@tke3131 i’m not a manager

[@moosesandmeese969]

@@tke3131 No it isn't there's been many studies proving that people with narcissistic and sociopathic personalities are more likely to be promoted to positions of power. Owners want a manager who will carry out their bad deeds effectively and without caring if it hurts others, and that's one of the defining qualities of Cluster B personality disorders such as narcissistic and antisocial personality disorders.

[@Premo-412]

My mom is a manager at amazon and I barely get to see her because she works 12-16 hours a day, it sucks.

[@reversefulfillment9189]

You've managed to articulate "we're getting fucked over" just perfectly. Now lets overthrow the bourgeoisie.

[@grmpEqweer]

Pretty much.

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

... The point is to change it.

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

Yeah wtf are we waiting for, enough tech and AI to come out to permanently prevent us?

[@definitelynottoiletpaperman]

"Overthrow the bourgeoisie" mfs when they actually have to do something to overthrow the system (calling people fascists online won't change how economics works)

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

@@definitelynottoiletpaperman Homie it's not even that difficult. Volunteer with one of your local organizations. A single suggestion, a single day of your time can go a long way to actually doing that.

[@SimGunther]

Divide and conquer: dividing the workers by making them feel like resources managed by people "above the line" so they conquer the land and make workers more desperate by coercion.

[@isqmatheus]

The point about promoting people to management positions to avoid paying overtime really hits home for me, because it's the exact same thing my mother is going through. She works insane hours as a pastry chef in a supermarket, like 10, 12, 14 hours easily, without being paid overtime. She's developed two hernias, tendinitis, varices, and obviously some burnout. Luckily, she has dialed it down a bit after some disagreements with her boss, but it took her years and years of this.

[@DonnyV77]

Your ability to break down these complex topics is amazing. I just wanted to say thank you for all the good work you do.

[@brennanmerkle4261]

Capitalism: not very chill currently

[@toyotaprius79]

Oceans: 🔥☠️

[@marciamartins1992]

Lol I think Satan invented the saying, "the ends justify the means" and " no free lunch".

[@tannerpost9154]

Capitalism 10 years from now: ok *really* not chill currently

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

​@@marciamartins1992Yes free lunch. There are people starving.

[@stevehansen4112]

The second thought needs to start being peoples first thought because the dude does not miss. Absolute banger.

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

No, First Thought is the JT's (because we all know Hakim and Yugo are just the voices in his head) News Channel already.

[@vanguard6937]

Lmao it's always the same grift, with lots of half truths, and blaming. The dude misses quite often really

[@stratecaster547]

This is hitting close to home as a software development manager for being told I have to enforce the return to office mandate even though I vehemently disagree with it. Ive been told I should "listen to employees concerns" (which are perfectly valid) knowing full well nothing will be done to address them.

[@rafakesik4828]

If thats true, your developers will soon change the company and find one, which listens to them. At also depends on your managerial skills. Can you convince the upper management to at least one change that will help your team? it might be the case that they dont care about employees. But it might also be the case, that they have not been made aware of how important these problems are - and that’s your job. Maybe you are great at it and its just the fault of the blind top brass. Then you might say: if they dont change, you leave. And you should do it to support a better business. You wont tell me that you cant change jobs. if you manage a dev team, you will find another company easily. These bad companies exist, Because people who can change jobs, will stay and support a bad company. Or sometimes bad companies exist, Because good people dont do enough to improve the corporate culture.

[@Hanakowasright]

Got to sell the lie

[@burgerforcongress1001]

Listen, then ignore.

[@Revoy1963]

That's nice that there's now a video on KZbin that I can redirect my fellow workers to calmly explain them what I cannot stay calm to explain them

[@joeykeilholz925]

Fuck the concept that every single person needs to work 40 hours a week or that insurance should be associated with your job.

[@sathiskumar7608]

In india many people are working 12 hrs a day.

[@amandanichole8648]

​@@sathiskumar7608cool. Is that supposed to be a flex? Here in the U.S. People work either 12 or 16 hr shifts. Or 8 if they're lucky. And die an early death.

[@sathiskumar7608]

@@amandanichole8648 no one should be working 12 or 16 hours. But it happens because of capitalism. 7 hours a day is ok.

[@qwerty6789x]

@@sathiskumar7608 congrats atleast you leave early this purgatory we are living in. shorter suffering i guess

[@lichkrieg4898]

After years of being a manager at a papa johns and being exploited in every shape and way possible, this hits. I'm unemployed because I finally had enough after 10 years because profits started to matter more than quality and customers(employees didn't ever matter, they had me brainwashed for the first 7 of those years). Now I feel absolutely hopeless because all I see is exploitation and not opportunity with every job I look at. Alternatively if the company has a union, they're still exploiting the workers, they want 50+ hour weeks and the union is doing the bare minimum for the employees. Don't get me started on influx of grifters offering financial freedom for a price.

[@Bluebones256]

To your point, look no further than the unions that are endorsing the sitting POTUS in spite of his monumental betrayal to the railroad workers after their demands for something as fundamental as paid sick leave.

[@bakedstreetyt]

Lol you never quit a job with nothing in sight. That's your problem you needed a plan B before quitting.

[@mcnuffin1208]

​@@bakedstreetytway to ignore everything said

[@grumpfrog8602]

I very much relate to seeing every job as exploitation and not opportunity. That level of class consciousness is lost on a lot of people unfortunately

[@LithFox]

At least you figured it out

[@TheNeoVid]

Holy crap, you've got a sponsor. And they're making the kind of product that doesn't exist any longer: Something intended to last for decades, instead of breaking and being replaced every month. It actually fits!

[@elyseparker5333]

I don't want to be rude, but isn't it ironic to have a video about demolishing capitalism and then...a sponsor at the end? Presumably, one with middle management where only the rich at the top great richer? Just a thought.

[@UkaSozi]

He has to live off out something, right? He cant make content for free and starve to death.@@elyseparker5333

[@agatapiaskowska3177]

@@elyseparker5333 JT has to make a living somehow. We're not paying him to watch the videos, hence the sponsor. We're all just trying to make it in the capitalist world.

[@FriendNoWriteEnglish]

​@@elyseparker5333 so in general of course if he will sell himself, he will find a new way once, but if he will sell himself sometimes it`s okey hah, but obviously only a guy whom don`t need money at all - bourgeoisie can be trully propogandist

[@fqertexirte3054]

​@@elyseparker5333its not like i watch ad. You can use sponsor block

[@tuffdude7795]

I am a manager where I work and pretty much all I do is what the owner or manager above me wants me to do. I don't actually have much power to make things better and I agree with my crew when I ask them to do something and they say they aren't paid enough for that

[@zeriel9148]

I think the main privilege of a manager, provided you are a yes-man for your superiors, is that you can avoid work. That's generally how it's been where I've worked. The managers who get something out of it are the lazy ones who delegate everything. The ones who work in the trenches with the rest of the workers are basically just screwing themselves, since they are getting paid a tiny bit more to do MORE work than the other workers.

[@dexcoon]

My company promoted me to store manager and to be honest, I kinda feel like I got slapped in the face. I basically do all the same work but now I just work longer hours and don't get breaks or overtime pay. I have to be available at all times during store hours. This place needs a union like no tomorrow.

[@marciamartins1992]

That sounds like my old job. I got all that plus no lunch.

[@adaminflux]

Don’t Americans hate unions though?

[@matthewgagnon9426]

@@adaminflux Yeah, because corporations invested billions of dollars at every level to spread propaganda about them.

[@j.l.stanford1754]

Start one!

[@The_pillow_fort]

As manager, you could be very helpful to union efforts

[@andrewmaskevich6073]

The craziest part of the video was how JT was talking about the working class struggles of the early 1900s, and I confused them with the toils of today.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Not much has changed. We work less, but we also own less.

[@Praisethesunson]

​@@07Flash11MRC*You* work less. Some of us have 70 hour work weeks thanks to mandatory overtime. The 8 hour day hasn't been part of my working life for a decade. I'm so tired.

[@aliceangl3563]

That's because a breaking point is coming again, somethings gotta give, and I vote for peoples patience to give first. As someone who used to work front at a fastfood restaurant, your average adult is about one minor inconvience away from losong their shit

[@BoHorn]

Thats not crazy? Thats the point

[@KekusMagnus]

@@GenerationX1984 That good period came to a large extent at the expense of Europe in WW2 and the third world afterwards. That the Capitalism brings prosperity in a bubble is a complete myth

[@benloesch2012]

I've worked for countless companies that outsource all kinds of work...yet I've never seen anyone outsource management. If anything, I'd say that would be the better things to outsource 😂

[@42976675]

You mean consulting firms?

[@BengtNordsten]

Managers are even more interchangeable than workers. 😁 I worked for a company that archived blueprints to high-rez images; I was a camera/darkroom tech. My supervisor mostly left me alone, and in response I worked hard. He moved to a better job, and his replacement's total experience was four years as assistant manager at a McDonald's and no I'm not making that up. (Never mind my resume showed I'd been a supervisor TWICE.) Him and his two besties would come in on weekends and use the company's huge screens to play video games, and that's about the extent of his interest in tech and imaging. He expressed his uselessness by micromanaging, and I walked away in two months.

[@POTATOEMPN]

This exact thing. I still remember working at Subway a long while back. One of the guys I worked with got promoted to manager. 5 Cent pay raise to manager 15 Cent pay raise for learning how to count the till (counting the money at the end of their shift) 8 Cents extra off any mean, even while off duty..... The rest of their 50 cent raise went to learning how to cycle the bread and proof them.......something any dunce can do. I never saw a person do defeated as the day they got a promotion and found out that its nothing. Being a manager, or in some places a Shift Lead or Team Supervisor...They are all acronyms for "Babysitter" and sometimes it comes with a pay raise, but often just comes with a lot of extra responsibility with little to no extra pay. Other places just train you in a new job without any change in pay, then they make you do two people's worth of work for the same pay as you had.

[@AnkurShah]

Absolutely appreciate all the work you put in for such critical information. Thank you JT!

[@ericb.4313]

I remember when my brother was a lowly worker at ArcLight and he said during the later part of his job there, he had "Management duties with none of the pay". He would show up so tired to his ahift that he'd just wake up in the middle of a task saying "Wait, how did I get here? I don't even remember getting in my car."

[@darshandhabale143]

damn thats scary

[@burgerforcongress1001]

"...and the days go byyyyyyy!"

[@ZosKia523]

AS former general manager and a part time manager/server at a restaurant, its insane to the amount of abuse i got for working side by side with my employees and not making them miserable. Some how low turnover and happy faces mean nothing is getting done...despite good numbers....I make a mission nowadays to make every pencil pushing, lazy workplace dictators shift difficult...I get tired of seeing people get pushed around..if you can steal...steal....if you can subvert this goals...subvert them....if you can organize...organize

[@brandonhicks5904]

I feel you on this one. I helped turn around an event-heavy restaurant as manager and the longer things were going well the more the people up top thought they could chime in on how things should be run. Which only created more problems because they forgot how my job is actually done (if they ever knew in the first place). I don't actively try to make anyone's shift harder (now being hourly again) but I've realized that I personally have been a crutch for way too many people so now I coast in 3rd gear. Maybe 2nd from time to time. They wouldn't know they difference anyway. My bosses don't know what 5th gear looks like. They are happy with my 3rd gear. and so am i.

[@seniorbrogrammer]

Manager is the modern fall guy of capitalism.

[@nezuminora9528]

I just left a job like this today - I was a "manager" who basically was the only one in the store most of the time. I was just the only full time worker and my hourly rate was the same as the part timers. I wasn't managing shit

[@aetherkid]

Manager at Wendy's, family dollar, braums, and I feel this

[@marciamartins1992]

Yes, I did too. I rode out the pandemic only to realize how truly expendibel I was.

[@cupcakesfanficgameslover5792]

I'm so sorry y'all I'm disabled so I can't really help anyone but I feel for you guys because your exploited

[@pest174]

I wondered about this very thing when I worked at Costco. There would be days where there were more managers than employees on the floor during the night shift. Didn't make any sense to me.

[@gapsule2326]

Makes more sense when you realize everyone is underpaid. Promotion keeps people from quitting and feel the job as investment.

[@shifty220]

The economist Stephen Margolin also has a really good paper titled "What Do Bosses Do?" That outlines the historical creation of the employer as an artificial and unproductive role, which adds nothing to technical efficiency while implementing specialisation of tasks to divide labour and impose themselves as bosses

[@seanw6323]

After having done some management duties, I'm convinced that anyone taking a management job willingly is a psychopath or a control freak.

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

I can't speak for everyone, but I think Managers exist to take credit for everything Hardworking employees do, so they can pat higher ups on the back. They're essentially Glorified Yes-men.

[@CCMASS]

At my five guys, shift leaders (I am one) work FAR harder than the average employee for a single dollar raise. We have to do over 20 checklists per shift, make sure operations run smoothly enough to have max 8 minute ticket times, have to deal with any issues between employees, any issues with customers, AND you're liable to be cursed at, actually cussed down by your gm, if you make any mistakes. I'm not saying that the manager title hasn't been strained, but don't hate on people who make either the same or BARELY more than you. Look at the GM who's selling the bodies of their workers to get bonuses and try and go corporate. Look at the regional and district managers who make 6 figures to talk down to people in stores they hardly know how to handle without destroying people's will to live.

[@cosmosisrose]

I don’t think this is the case with all of them, though I agree it is with a LOT

[@JasonAtlas]

Depends on sector of work. Shift managers are just a regular employee with extra work and usually one extra dollar an hour.

[@ey67]

They are voyeurs watching you to decide when to fire you.

[@alanverduzco6513]

@@Maakyodoesn't that just mean you're sucking up a really bad deal. You are also shackled to what you've gained willfully.

[@Kayume]

As a skilled and practiced project organizer, the reality of "management" within the context of capitalism remains one of my greatest frustrations. Managerial and leadership skills are so important to foster for effective team work and organization, yet "manager" does indeed just mean "person with an illusory title and no power." This video is brutal to watch as someone who takes pride in those skills, but ultimately the truth is undeniable. I look forward to using this as a primer to explain the reality of "management" to friends in the future.

[@sasho_b.]

You dont "manage", you, my internet fellow, WORK. We need to make this a common distinction, a manager who indeed has tangible yet productive control in the organizing of work is closer to his team than he is to the owners who get to see the line go up. And a "manager" is just a fancy word for leach.

[@marciamartins1992]

The ones I've come across, and in Texas especially, are oversers.

[@tyc6268]

@@sasho_b.sounds like you really don’t know what a manager does and you had a personal vendetta with one because they told you what to do and you didn’t like that.

[@DankCannon]

​@@tyc6268😂😂😂 are you addicted to bootstraps lmao

[@Iquey]

​​@@DankCannondifferent jobs have different kinds of managers. Managers and assistant managers at food service type jobs (I worked at Domino's for a few years) get destroyed by the grind, often picking up shifts for employees who don't show up. Managers at call center contractors count metrics and spy on everyone in the cubicles to line up who to micromanage and lay off in the next quarter.

[@MichaelRada-INDUSTRY50]

Great explanation. 10 years ago I decided why I never wanted to be a manager again. This is why my business card has the title HUMAN as the only one needed.

[@Joy_inc]

“not real footage of victorian london” is the funniest shit i’ve ever seen

[@stevencolatrella3257]

Great analysis of the dialectic of how our critique and revolt against capitalism is transformed into new organization of capitalism itself. Management as you show, is only for extracting surplus value, that is, extra work for higher profits. We need to end capitalism , organize and make all work democratic and insure a decent life for all.

[@patricksullivan1827]

Just don't say socialism😂 ... Or at least not centralized.

[@haleybrown2836]

Repeatedly one of my comments was: The US is running a 19th century economy. To this day a never received a thumbs up for my posting. My point being, there is little difference if the aristocracy or millionaires/billionaires live in splendor while an overwhelming majority can barely survive.

[@coolioso808]

@@haleybrown2836 This is your lucky day, thumbs up by me, someone who very much understands what you are saying and agrees! I sometimes go even further back to the origins of money thousands of years ago, as a means of enslavement by the ruling elites in the Stone Age, and say we are using a economic system from that long ago, still today! With all our technology and resources, that can provide for everybody at a high standard of living, many times over, we are using a very out-dated economic system. It's absurd! Glad you recognize that as well. It has helped me to cope, quite a bit, to hear others who think this way. I watch Zeitgeist: Addendum and Moving Forward to see I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I listen to the Moneyless Society podcast. I look at Ubuntu Contributionism and One Small Town initiative with Michael Tellinger to understand that we need to create a society that doesn't need money, because it is a barrier to progress, actually. Money does nothing but hold us back. People do everything, and if they are truly free to pursue their passions they will do many great things for our communities and planet Earth.

[@furiousdestroyah9999]

We needed a revolution like yesterday

[@coolioso808]

@@furiousdestroyah9999 I agree, but we can't go back in time, we can only go forward. At least take steps forward each day, uniting more and more people with a common goal. See what they are doing with One Small Town Ubuntu Contributionism movement. Very inspiring.

[@rubenotero7100]

It's disheartening to see that capitalist ideology has such a stranglehold on our collective psyche that we can barely conceive of anything else despite the fact that we were rallying against it and winning less than 100 years ago, but it does fill me with hope knowing that if change comes this quickly maybe I will see socialism in my lifetime.

[@monkeynalgas]

yep read capitallist realism

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

Less than a hundred years ago socialism was winning the fight against capitalists. Less than two hundred years ago, the US's democracy was held hostage by a cabal of wannabe feudalists who claimed they loved the idea of a republican government. Less than three hundred years ago the United States didn't even exist, only relatively small and sparsely populated colonies sending resources across an ocean to a tiny island to enrich that island and its monarch. Each time, things were forced to change when the side with the power got unhappy with the side without telling them they were going too far and started shooting. And each time, the side without power won. We can win again.

[@rubenotero7100]

@@tamelo What would you call it?

[@ollee609]

@@rubenotero7100 its a political and economic system. the ideology is called liberalism

[@weeb6316]

@@tamelois isn’t an ideology but i dont agree with wtr else you said

[@J_Seneca]

I just want to say that I love your confidence in your material. You used to just be a voice, now you are doing full blown skits. I love it! ❤❤

[@madhousediy5050]

I’m a manager now. My service manager got promoted and the job needed to be done. I would rather suck at being a manager than work for someone else that does, so I felt like it was the least bad thing to do. As the wise Yugopnik once said, “there’s going to be a manager regardless, they might as well be a Marxist”. The company is employee owned, so I can get away with being an advocate for my service engineers. The job is terrible, and I would rather be back in the field, but there is a periodic bonus that amounts to about a week of pay for hitting revenue and profit targets that is a drop in the bucket toward alleviating the suck. I do not hold onto the position tightly and much prefer liberation, so I will struggle when material conditions come.

[@chaosgeneration]

This reason is exactly what I thought it would be.

[@chaosgeneration]

Secondary reason is to put a level of bureaucracy between workers and the ownership class.

[@l.5832]

My graduated uni in Business Management, top honours. I ran my own business for about a decade but that business was not relevant in my new city. I was surprised I was never offered a promotion in to management in the 2 jobs I had during the next 15 years. I later realised it was because I never believed BS and the owners knew that. I called out BS. I noticed the people who were getting promoted were very COMPLIANT. They often had minimal education, were not high producers, and some had language barriers. The one thing they had going for them is they were YES men.

[@Hotwire_]

Protect this channel

[@SIZModig]

The Seinfeld bit was great! Also, down with capitalism ✊️

[@SunraeSkatimunggr]

I figured out the uselessness of management back in the early 80's, when it was offered to me....same job, but on a salary instead.

[@notaburneraccount]

Yeah, it's bs. Managers are used as pawns so owners and CEOs can stay in control without having to face their employees or being held accountable.

[@unvergebeneid]

Also worth mentioning is the newest iteration of this game, where even people who want to be "their own boss" and create their own business in the form of some startup will actually just work for venture capitalists or other investors, pull insane hours "voluntarily" and have a 90% chance of failure that's priced in by the VC funds but will mean they've wasted their health and years of their lives on nothing.

[@deadlyduck11]

Razor sounded good, but shipping to norway was 88usd additionally 😅 a bit too much. Very good video btw. This also happens in norway. In the union im in we were going around town this summer asking people how their working conditions were like and we found a whole lot of 17-19 year olds being assistant manager in small shops earning alot less than what is concidered a normal wage here, it was kind of surreal to encounter, and norway is often concidered one of the better countries to work in. This just shows how low the bar actually is.

[@amandamccallum6796]

Not all management are as purposeless as say office manager. My bf is a project estimator and site manager for a local construction firm. To the guys on the ground, he doesn't work, but reality is if he wasn't doing his job 7 construction sites would not have the stuff they need to do their job. They also pay the manager just enough more than the guys on the ground that nobody feels bad for them but not enough more for the amount of extra stress and responsibility. A LOT of my friends have turned down management positions because the difference in pay isn't worth the stress. My parents generation are retiring from their management jobs, taking their pension and getting part time jobs in the same sector so they don't have to deal with the stress.

[@RSAgility]

Funny this happens to drop after I get let go from my job for attendance, they dared claim I was no call no show on saturdays i wasn't scheduled to come in, but since the ones who were scheduled to come in didn't, they didn't want to reprimand them since they're old men who know people in the company so they find who to blame. Hilarious.😂 Terrible management in that place

[@rachelgray6790]

That sucks,I hope you find somewhere better

[@marciamartins1992]

The retail nightmare I worked for was changing the schedule on the fly and expecting you to jump for the bare minimum wage they paid.

[@grmpEqweer]

Hope you and I get better jobs.

[@sasho_b.]

Wish ya best comrade

[@KekusMagnus]

You could probably sue them if you have concrete evidence that they won't be able to hide from lawyers. That's pretty blatant overreach from their part, you deserve revenge

[@jtorrico]

Purchased the razor, I was in need of one, and happy to do what I can to support your great content.

[@SecondThought]

Thanks so much! You’ll love it, it’s great

[@LarsaXL]

Finally someone said it, and explained it well. I've seen through my career managers go from people who actually "manages" stuff. From resolving conflicts, bringing up complaints to the higher ups, making sure there's enough staff, etc. We didn't exactly like them, but we could agree that what they did was useful. It quite quickly, and the pandemic really speeded that up, changed to people just desperate to swing their dicks around and micromanaging to a level that actually hurts both product quality and workplace safety. Kicking downwards and licking upwards to try and justify their position. It would be funny if they weren't generally such horrible people, and if they weren't taking their insecurities out on the workers they now see as beneath them.

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

Management attracts a certain kind of power hungry idiot, doesn't it. Kicking down and licking up is a great turn of phrase btw! 🙌

[@LarsaXL]

So it does. I can't take credit for it, I've seen it used as far back as in 80:s song lyrics, but it is so accurate it sticks around.@@rhythmandblues_alibi

[@silverXnoise]

“People aren’t just unhappy, they’re burning shit.” Next episode: How To Make Proper Molotov Cocktails

[@galgenvogel]

In switzerland we have this Protestant work ethic. It is hard to teach oneself and his coworker, that it is a con.

[@ClassicalTraining]

It's nice when the work ethic is steered into studying revolutionary theory.

[@iNDY1001]

I feel pushing for desegregation of school systems and creating a shared precarity amongst the children might be a good way to start. Just the exposure to one another at a kid friendly level makes it a lot harder for those making decisions to act out policies that'll affect their kids friend. I call it the reverse whipping kid solution. But also like, all wealthy parents know this....its why private schooling exists, kids have unbelievably accepting minds and are far more likely to befriend someone without regards to class and then those parents get to humanise one another. Charter schools in the US, over here in Australia the conservative government actively attacked the public school system for 10 years through poor funding strategies to the point its on the verge of collapsing with reading competency dropping badly. Meanwhile the private sector seems to always have millions to build new pool facilities and the cornocopia of sports facilities wealthy Australia seems fond of. I guess I'm recognising the incredible logistical load of holding so many different ideas, desegragating schools as a singular global message to create a shared experience just seems pragmatic for a lot of different intersectional reasons. Given that anyone gets on the neo-liberal productivity train invariably starts looking for exceptional schools for their kids to get started real early. At the cost of anyone who isn't aspirational or hypervigilant of there time and you know the environment.....helicopter parents will unload on expensive ecologically destructive pathways to make sure their kids have the marginal gain over the other kids. I mean I come at it from a thermodynamic perspective.....the faster a thing occurs the more entropy it generates...the same can be said for large groups of super productive people who take every "productivity hack" which usually means really wasteful often pointless services and items to net diminishing returns on productivity, starting those things on kids early is exponentially worse for the environment. Or union orgies, it'll make management feel left out.

[@hxlo77]

I just absolutely love this guy. It's like truth cutting through falsehood with a big knife, whilst hearing the screams of the deceived with every slice! Love it.

[@akastewart]

I wouldn’t get too wedded to the idea that this guy is spitting truths. His recent video/speech created for a Communist event attempts to delude viewers into believing that Soviet era Communism was rosey and idyllic with people experiencing the highest form of society, rather than one better characterised by empire through conquest, famines, neighbours spying on neighbours, paranoid and violent dictatorships, abject fear of those who govern, bread queues, and ‘iron curtains’ with barbed wire and machine gun towers to murder those who attempted to leave. His (re-)framing of soviet era Communism is so flagrantly dishonest and lacking in shame that I laughed out loud multiple times.

[@MrCk1234567890]

JT can you do a video on ESOP (employee stock ownership program) business models?? They’re a fantastic example of the real, short term benefits to workers from a socialist economic model within capitalism. And very doable!! I wish more people knew about it.

[@WizeGuyz2023]

ESOPs are mostly just a tax scam btw. They aren't essentially bad per say, but the reason companies are adopting them is because it saves them a lot of money in the long run while not needing to guarantee they ever need to actually pay you anything at all. Most ESOPs cannot even be taken out until you either retire or are fired, and depending on the companies stance you might not even be "vested in" for nearly 10 years and won't be entitled to the stock/pay. It also depends entirely on random estimations of the company over time that can change instantly. "It costs employees nothing" is also a huge lie. It does cost you money, if it didn't companies wouldn't do it. It isn't just free money being handed down

[@MrCk1234567890]

@@WizeGuyz2023 yea you only “cash out” at retirement but that’s not the point. You’re still paid a wage as an employee lol you don’t just live off of nothing while they give you more stock. The purpose of your ownership stake isn’t to generate cash flow in the short term, it’s to hold a larger asset portfolio which equals greater borrowing power. Any company can go belly up and your future is still largely in the hands of management, but as a worker it is anyway. You’re making $13/hr either way except one way includes (the strong likelihood of) a retirement plan

[@MrCk1234567890]

@@WizeGuyz2023 if I’m trying to save up for a down payment on a home while making a regular median wage, I’ll literally rent for the rest of my life. But If I make that same wage on paper AND hold a $50k ownership stake in my company, suddenly I have a huge collateralized loan opportunity. Obviously it could evaporate tomorrow but that’s how the speculative markets work, so you may as well have more money on paper.

[@BengtNordsten]

I encourage companies to set up ESOPs because it does (usually) give workers a little more cash, and generally companies go for it because words like "ownership" and "stock" give them warm fuzzies. But it's just a fringe benefit, like free coffee in the break room. I'd much rather see his take on cooperatizing businesses, particularly those that are going under or being shuttered.

[@burgerforcongress1001]

It's generally a shell game. A REAL employee owned company is a cooperative.

[@gavinmiller2258]

I'm PROUD to be on the list that I'm certainly on for being a subscriber of your channel

[@HesderOleh]

the list of people stupid enough to believe that "humans are satiable"?

[@copper4842]

This is an interesting take on management but focuses very much on the lower tiers and retail management. Now, this isn't a career path I would pursue myself but I have a few observations. A big one is that most lower and middle management has little to no authority. You'd assume they have some means to leverage their position to get things done. In practice most are really just there to handle communication overhead and business processes. Administrative and coordination work. The best I've worked with realize this and try to not manage but instead coordinate work. Enable their workers to specialize while they deal with the needs of the larger organization. The worst assume they have authority and exercise it against their workers. These petty tyrants are sadly quite common. I wish we didn't default to authority via hierarchy and that the coordinator role was just another job. The team working as a whole to set and execute work. But, that would require authority to be spread evenly amongst workers so that won't happen in our current system.

[@HesderOleh]

Not just in our system in any system that gets big enough (probably somewhere around that mythical dunbar number) coordination becomes so complex that it is impossible to coordinate without having the authority to say "sorry, but if you want to work here that is the way it is". People hate being in meetings, especially those who are productive and are able to get good work done. The whole team joining the coordination workflow that their managers are in would be a waste of their time. Without a formal management with authority, then the employee with the most bullying tendencies can force others to do things unfairly. There are roles for a manager besides coordinator, help employees grow and advocate for their employees, but absolutely the main role in coordination.

[@emilyswett7827]

this was very validating. I have often felt like maybe im part of the problem (despite getting everyone substantial raises last year) but I also have worked 240 overtime hours this year, so it is fair to say that I’m getting screwed too!!

[@shakenbacon-vm4eu]

I mentioned the hypocrisy and manufactured working class warfare that managers serve to my manager brother in law, and man did he get pissed. Even more proof that capitalism places our self worth on our job and title. Btw, Henson shavers are 🔥

[@nubreed1980]

There are so many managers in my company. The lower tier ones definitely are more in touch with individual contributors. The higher tiers just make decks all day long.

[@akastewart]

As far as the ‘higher tiers’ go, I t’s likely they’re devising strategies and plans, which are then presented in a deck- rather than simply ‘making decks’. The strategies and plans are the focus of their effort. The decks are simply created to communicate those things. (Your choice of word makes me think you might work in the creative industries. If so, then maybe you’re referring partly to ‘project managers’, and conflating them with company managers. PMs are not the same kind of ‘managers’ as company management structures.)

[@HesderOleh]

@@akastewart I am friends with people who "make decks", the things that are being communicated are unfortunately often not the important thing but the style of the communication. Not to say that there aren't sometimes great "higher tiers" who actually do useful things, but many "higher ups" that I know from my company and from other places say that honestly they view their success as being able to let their workers just get on with important work and soak up the BS before it rolls down to them and just get out of their way because that puts them at better than 95% of "higher ups", of course they want to accomplish much more but doing that is as I have seen personally when I worked in the office of someone near the top of a huge organization not easy.

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

My husband has been a plant manager for the last 20 years. These types of jobs only last him 1-5 years on average, so we are constantly moving because he was fired, downsized or resigned. He recently took a position at a unionized plant and he hates the union. It’s funny because I’m in the background humming “Which side are you on?” and other old union hymns.

[@altyrrell3088]

That's so funny! Btw, can you tell me the titles of more union songs?

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

Haha! Yes, I can! A lot of the songs are from Europe where the unions are still strong. I like, There is power in the union And, Solidarity Forever! And, You aint done nothing if you ain’t been called a Red Anything by Pete Seeger and Lisa Simpson sang a good tune you can also find here.🌹

[@altyrrell3088]

@@Spiral.Dynamics Thanks, much appreciated. Solidarity.✊

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

@@altyrrell3088 I just remembered that I have a playlist on my channel called, “Which side are you on” with lots of union songs!

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

@@altyrrell3088 Solidarity forever!

[@bicyclist2]

This video needs to be seen by many more people. We need a revolution now. We're long over due. Thank you.

[@hewhomustnotbenamed5912]

Hearing the line from the newest Deprogram episode return at the end of the video was priceless. I felt like Peter Griffin in that one meme: "He said the thing."

[@eopatcjo]

Homie is genuinely advertising razors while flexing that baby seal smooth chest. Consider me convinced.

[@SecondThought]

😁🪒

[@Kite403]

That stand up bit at the start was very well done lol. I've been noticing my manager at work barely doing anything besides drink on the job. Everyone I work with agrees he's useless and a morale killer. So good timing on this video!

[@user-fc7is6jo2e]

Always Brilliant! My family and I love your videos. We watch them together whenever there is a new upload, during our family learning time after dinner. Since this is one of those important topics that they will not get in school, it is a perfect addition for our family activities. Thank you for making and sharing this.

[@summertime69]

I'm super pro labor, I volunteer for my union, help negotiate our contracts, etc. I did a brief role as assistant manager. In my organization, they do stuff beyond disciplining employees. Some businesses may be different, granted, but there are places where the leader does actually lead and support their team on the front lines of the work.

[@marciamartins1992]

When a company hangs on to a manager who is; toxic, exploitative, abusive, and hell bent on a power trip that says something.

[@LukeLane1984]

Years ago, I worked in retail as a clerc. There were 3 department managers and 1 store manager. I've seen many dozens of managers come and go. With the exception of a few, they were all completely incompetent and useless. Why anyone would ever promote these people to "manager" is beyond me. Maybe it's exactly because they were easily to manipulate with the promise of higher pay and "being part of the family".

[@Tinkerfanification]

It’s rarely the true high performers who get promoted, because they usually know their worth and have opinions. It’s always the middle performing one who is gullible enough to be the punching bag.

[@LukeLane1984]

@@Tinkerfanification Exactly!

[@moonchild7909]

I work for a multi million company & they have recently made a few of us “Trainers on Demand”, so we’ve to temporarily manage & train the new hires to be assigned to a manager. So they get trainer & manager from a single employee without actually giving a higher salary. They hire managers with high salaries & no experience in the work. And we get the hopes to one day become a “manager” but after the bulk hiring ends we’re again rolled over to the same role which we were giving the training for. 😢

[@JLocke0113]

Whenever you have a problem in this world, it can usually be traced back to Reagan.

[@sasho_b.]

Poor? Reagan. No gf? Reagan. Invention of gender-neutral bathrooms? No wait, thats Thatcher.

[@marciamartins1992]

Yes, corporations love senile presidents....kinda like the one we have now.

[@GamingSkeptic]

If it wasn't for my manager I'd be working from home rn

[@revisehellenologo]

As someone who believes that productivity increases the most with sound systems not harder-working employees. If managers were adequately trained (in relevant fields, planning techniques, data analysis, and system analysis ect) and had the ability to make changes they would be extremely useful. It feels like managers are handcuffed by the higher-ups, combined with people working up into the job instead of specializing in the role. People get promoted if they are good at a job and again until they end up in a job they're incompetent in, then they're in the role till the end of their careers. It frustrates me so much especially when I hear people even get in trouble trying to fix the bad systems.

[@SMPD161]

I‘m soo happy that you got a sponsor hope more is comming

[@JaxsonGalaxy]

I already have a henson razor, they are great. I've had it for a few years now and still have the first box of blades. Just take one moment and consider a way to safely dispose of the blades, if you're thinking of getting one, but other than that, it's better in like every way.

[@burgerforcongress1001]

Search for a "blade bank", safe disposal unit.

[@ambikakaushik6121]

If we want a system based on the collective then we also need to work towards it as a collective

[@jimsanfrey6385]

Wow. I am so happy that someone else has made this connection and it’s so obvious once you realize it

[@carylgibbs6094]

This happened to me back in the early 90s. I was working at a tag agency and he wanted me to work Saturdays but didn’t want me to get overtime for the extra hours. So he made me the ‘Drivers License Manager.’ This promotion did not involve any additional responsibilities (except working every other Saturday on my own in the shop). It also did not come with a pay raise. Good times.

[@RoanShip]

Now this guy has the balls to talk about sensitive topics

[@RoanShip]

@@GenerationX1984 oh no another idea that will make me be awake at night

[@azzthund1500]

We need a yellow Parenti JT skit in one of these videos.

[@PrettyPrincess9609]

I use to work at a toxic company that will have “ Team Leads “ and would give them more work but wouldn’t pay them more. Also at my last job, they pushed us to go above and beyond and would constantly criticize you even if you were meeting the goal yet they refused to give us raises or bonuses. I was also micromanaged, bullied, and harrassed for a week straight by my coworker. I reported my coworker for harassment and they did nothing. Months after I reported her, they promoted that same coworker who harassed me. I was one of the top performers and they decided to give me more work instead of promoting me. When I tried to speak up, they told me to “ deal with it “. I quit after that and found a better job.

[@alethearia]

We don't need managers, we need facilitators who see themselves as equal to the workers.

[@homieslice1996]

The Seinfeld parody had me fucked up! 😂😂 Good work as usual, JT!

[@taylorbug9]

They literally just mess things up and cost a bunch of money.

[@hamzagobir2530]

"Having little sock puppets to act as a shield for capital" 😆 🤣 😂

[@rowankrencik]

I'm a member of the SPUSA, partly because of you and partly because im sick of being treated like a literal piece of trash for working and trying to live.

[@jlmenard7688]

Hell yeah, a second thought video

[@gabrielmarquez4029]

Great video as always, I appreciate that you consistently encourage organizing.

[@enilenis]

"Employment is slavery, minus food and accommodation. You're free to go, but see you back here tomorrow at 8!" - Steve Hughes

[@skillerkillero9344]

This is my favorite KZbin channel.

[@ethanvance3834]

Capitalist economies are insatiable, people are very much satiable. Excellent quote.