Why many German "Leftists" support Israel. | Islamophobia, Guilt Pride, and Memory Failure

[@ap2158]

i work at a concentration camp memorial and i struggle talking with students about gaza because i know most of my co-workers (and the teachers) don’t share my views or would even consider them antisemitic. of course i can speak freely but that sums up the absurdity of the situation in germany. i want to talk about what we can actually learn from history - the dehumanization, the construction of a threat that needs to be eliminated so the nation can live etc. - and yet the most prominent example of how these mechanisms work is taboo

[@Julia-Richter]

The Jews never threatened to destroy Germany. Hamas always threatened to destroy Israel.

[@ap2158]

Dude, obviously netanjahu isn‘t hitler. if you watched this video you should know that the so called erinnerungskultur oftentimes is a shell, a state narrative and completely unreflected. if we wanna learn from historic fascism we have to understands its mechanisms, the normalization of violence, also real antisemitism of course. but am i supposed to tell palestinian students that their pain doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit into the german staatsraison?

[@Julia-Richter]

@@ap2158 Yes, it's quite uncomfortable to not be able to be nice and truthful at the same time. It's not my fault that it is a fact, that Hamas wants to destroy Israel. And that most of this Palestinian students actually are antisemites. Maybe you should talk to your collegues. The nay have some advise how to handle the situation.

[@Friend-eb8st]

@@Julia-Richter Your logic is warped and does not make sense

[@robertstan298]

The fact that you genuinely seem to think you can speak "freely" about said things is clear proof that you yourself are brainwashed. Damn, the pervasiveness of brainwashing and chauvinistic/exceptionalist view of western European "culture" really is insane... Generally, I'd say, European people trying help the world and fight US imperialism and hegemony should do one thing: STFU Seriously, finding a good take, even among "leftists", from westerners, is like finding a needle in a haystack.

[@obsessionmine]

I can barely look at the German news these days it just makes me so fucking angry. Thank you for not letting us off the hook.

[@chompythebeast]

From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free ❤️ 🇵🇸

[@Azric99]

I‘m losing brain cells listening to German and Austrian politicians.. the mental gymnastics is insane .. and people fall for it

[@iam8401]

farecee scambags they are, everythere.. In Russia, USA, Japan, UK, etc..

[@utvm6748]

i live in austria. its dystopian clown show tbh.

[@distion]

I'm German myself and my brain just shuts off whenever I hear any German official talk about "Israel". There's only so much zionist propaganda and genocide apologia a person can stomach.

[@Dummigame]

Me when the non-jewish mayor of Berlin tried to lecture a jewish speaker about having to support a genocide in order to not be a "self-hating" jew:

[@aliasalias7546]

It's really insane that germany keeps sening money to Gaza.

[@benny_mrx3370]

even if I, as a German leftist, do not identify with this part of the left-wing scene in Germany, it is a certain form of embarrassment when people abroad learn about what is going on here in Germany...

[@LostinMango]

Shame shame

[@swagatochatterjee7104]

Let everyone know that AntiDs are not leftist. Don't let them take over your neighbourhoods.

[@HarryHaller-r3r]

Ihr habt auch während der Coronadiktatur den autoritären Staat unterstützt, die Systemkritiker angegriffen und jetzt verbreitet ihr ständig Russophobie und Kriegsrhetorik. Als Ausländer mit NS-Opfer in seinem Familienkreis will ich nur das sagen: ihr seid auf keinem Fall links!!! Ihr seid gefärbte Faschos die nichts aus der Geschichte gelernt haben! Mehr seid ihr nicht!!!

[@Simson616]

Fühl ich...

[@feydrautha012]

If it makes you feel any better, the US left isn't doing much better, apart from seeing through the MSM garbage on Gaza.

[@koa89]

Many years ago i was in an austrian "radical" left student group. Non-hierachical, anti-racist, feminist (...) all the good stuff. In a plenum we discussed the upcoming anniversary of Israel's establishment and some wanted to organise a (pro-israel) event. (i was pretty new to this group) I told them that i thought it's strange to praise any nation whatsoever and given it's lead by a right wing fundamentalist, even more strange. What followed was getting debated down by two people while the rest remained silent - they weren't super harsh or anything but the undertone of me just being a bit of an uneducated idiot that (unkowingly) enables anti-semitism was pretty clear. After that was over, members told me - in secret - that they kinda agree, but that that's something i just can not say or debate. This should have shaken me a lot more than it did back then.

[@KarlSnarks]

Damn, sounds pretty cultish for an "non-hierarchical" group.

[@paulminh3525]

@@KarlSnarksCommon sense, every group have hierarchy! Societies are divided into hierarchy! That why commons sense is so lacking! Study ideology make people live in fantasy, not real life! People rarely follow the ideology once they have power in their hand! Only selfish ambition remains! You can’t manage a group without hierarchy!

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

​@@paulminh3525 yeah thats why there is anarchist groups who actually try to manage power imbalances. these post autonomous, anti auth. commie groups are just claiming to be democratic. they are just cults like the auth. groups. most small political groups are cults, if you like it or not. Anarchist have a destinction between warrented and unwarrented hierarchy, e.g. someone is really good in smth of course they will teach people in this thing, which is a logical hierarchy. most post autonomous groups are being led by manipulating idiots who cannot step outside of their ideology and are just elitist pieces of shit. like fr how many of these groups we have seen and they are all the laughing stock of anarchists. it has come to the point were i feel better working with leninists, bc they are atleast honest, we both know we are enemies. these post autonomists are just trying to take anarchist aesthetics to cover their authoritarian leaning and they are lying all day. no anarchist takes smbdy seriously who defends a states right to exist. (in difference to a nation/ethnicity -> free palestine of course)

[@tomigun5180]

Leftism is inherently Semitic, so they were right when they thought you were uneducated.

[@koa89]

​@@paulminh3525 1) sure, the words of some people will always carry more weight than others regarding topics - i don't want my plumber to program a website and i don't want a programmer to mess with my piping. That's not what non-hierachical means. 2) using "Common Sense" and "Natural" as arguments is circle-logic. It's also common sense & natural for sons to kill their fathers, but we largely stoped doing that because it's stupid. 3) Organisation requieres structures and responsibilities. I've been working for a long time now and in my experience strict hierachy really hinders problem solving and the further "Up" someone is, the more immune they get to consequences of their actions and the more detachted they get from reality which is very bad for an organisation as a whole.

[@Ahmadabdal_]

Germans be like "we did the best genocide, no other genocide was like this, we were the best at it and now we are saying sorry for it and now we and WE ALONE have authority on calling things genocide" The red army left too soon

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

Germany is since the lost wars under foreign goverment AND HAD NOTHING TO DECIDE FOR HIS OWN INTERESTS. LOOK AT 2015. A SOUVERÄ COUNTRY WOULD'T DO DIS TO HIS OWN COUNTRY !

[@anastylishrock481]

​@@silkekoehlmann4188Oh, is that the fairy-tale you tell yourself to feel good about yourself? You couldn't and didn't do anything. You were just pawns in someone else's game? It's someone else's fault? You know, parents, and societies more broadly, who fail to nurture the child's mental faculties by going-to-school age produce offspring like you. But don't worry, you're in the fold. 95% of people have your type of reasoning skill and emotional intelligence. So, you're good.

[@blablablablablabla-x9f]

@@silkekoehlmann4188 REFUGEES WELCOME FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVEN IF I HAD TO SHARE ALL MY MEALS, GIVE UP ALL I OWN I DONT CARE WE ARE SAVING MILLIONS OF LIVES, GIVING MILLIONS OF FAMILIES A NEW HOME

[@twentye]

From a german leftist: I am deeply sorry for our “leftist” politician’s support of israel

[@yurinator6380]

No we support israel

[@Lukiman1121]

​@@yurinator6380 says some how refuses to learn anything. ever. Zionism was a pretty idea for bourgeoise europeans with backing from the global hegemon that devolved with time and dehumanization-level into a full fledged fasch-movement and you still hang on to illusions of 'safe space'. shame on you. you enemy of humanity.

[@staystackin]

@@yurinator6380 may god give you proper guidance

[@finn8518]

@@yurinator6380you‘re not a leftist then.

[@yurinator6380]

@@finn8518 We dont turn a blind eye to what Hamas would do to women and gays once in power

[@robv.8676]

Well done! What's going on in Germany is rather disturbing, the mental gymnastics involved are so painful.

[@chemreac1]

Sitting down for another banger from one of the best 🍿

[@humanwithaplaylist]

Always so informative

[@adamhbrennan]

💯

[@Farasin-Art]

@@chemreac1 GIMME DAT POPCORN

[@LibertarianLeninistRants]

As a german... ...I think you are correct

[@hlghjack]

so brave😔

[@beburs]

they are typically liberals larping Lol

[@Qualle1312]

In my experience actually not, I've seen so many authoritarian communist turn Zionist or rather reveal their Zionism

[@substance-m7u-boredigger]

Leftists, yes

[@reinarforeman6518]

@@substance-m7u-borediggerliberals*

[@TheSpongebob1919]

​@@substance-m7u-boredigger Liberals are right wingers

[@MaxVliet]

​@@substance-m7u-boredigger liberals are not leftists.

[@MrTooEarnestOnline]

I would venture to say it’s the same reason they haven’t come to terms with the genocide in Namibia.

[@pikemen3477]

Because they aren't Europeans, they don't think their lives count or even see them as human beings for that matter, but they're so comfortable lecturing others on "Human rights".

[@ravenblack7052]

Yup. They have no human feelings.

[@KitteridgeStudios]

@@ravenblack7052 I really hope you're referring to the German Political Left and not the country's entire population...

[@ravenblack7052]

@@KitteridgeStudios All German people. Vile.

[@ravenblack7052]

@@KitteridgeStudios All Germans.

[@sharadowasdr]

The first genocide committed by a fascist regime was against Arabs, as part of a colonization project. This isn't remembered enough. The Libyan genocide.

[@lettuceman9439]

The Armenian Genocide was the first genocide by fascist regime, The Young turk government was the very definition of layman's fascism, They intended to genocide the Eastern Christians, The Greeks, The Kurds and the Armenian to make way for a pan-turkic empire stretching from Anatolia to western China

[@jelenahegser445]

im pretty sure the first genocide was comittet in prehistory! some million years ago

[@BorjBoy]

​@@jelenahegser445the original post said genocide by a fascist regime.

[@efecelik8931]

@@jelenahegser445says fascist regime if you read with both eyes open.

[@DanRyzESPUK]

​@@jelenahegser445 But he's said an actual fascism regime. In this case, Mussolini in Lybia in the 30s, when he imprisoned the whole Lybian population in concentration camps, and tried to perform colonisation by Italians. It failed, fortunately.

[@xiaxiang-p1j]

Free Palestine from German Guilt 🇵🇸

[@khadijahbegum3546]

Absoloutely and from the colonial state of isnotreal. Free Palestine🇵🇸

[@lecho0175]

You are too charitable by calling this "guilt", it's just different form of nationalism

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

​@@lecho0175 yeah nationalism in form of a "super special german exclusive" guilt. So insane.

[@LindaYariger]

​@@lecho0175Really? In US, and didn't realize that being ashamed of our war crimes was nationalistic

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

KZbin Chanel Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "!

[@ct8426]

The left here in germany is really divided on this topic but a lot of especially young people are waking up and are supporting the Palestinian fight for freedom

[@xXFe_LixXx]

There would be more support from other leftists, if the pro-palestinians would outcall Hamas/Hezbolla as what they are.. But blaming only the israeli government (or the country / jews as whole) is just black and white-thinking (and sometimes antisemitic) and leaving out to much context.

[@hendrx]

there should be no division at all when the topic is gncd, specially in germany

[@ct8426]

@ I understand your point but the issue doesn’t start with hamas. They are product of the Israeli oppression and if Palestinians had a right to a decent life they wouldn’t exist

[@xXFe_LixXx]

@@hendrx I'd agree that there might be acteurs in Israel, that fantasize about a palestinian genocide, but to conceal the fact that these terrorist groups want a genocide themselves against the jews, heavily damages credibility.

[@Don_Quixote2]

@@xXFe_LixXx As a German I do call them what they are: the resistance against oppression, apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide. And as a German you should know that the methods used by the resistance against the 3. Reich have been at times extremely violent and gruesome, but still completely justified.

[@Numagus9172]

Germany is a U.S. colony.

[@philippdrescher6012]

At least all those blue voters with their Trump flags wish it was.

[@fundidoarrojo269]

Spot on.

[@tomtomtom6970]

Reichsburger also believe that ironically, only its "company" instead of "colony"

[@SonglyWryt.Bon-Burr]

Its a zionist colony. Usa belongs to banks.

[@sergiob2850]

​@@tomtomtom6970 Reichsbürger just have a comical fantasy and Germany being a US vassal is just the reality. There is no foreign politics in Germany other than the US foreign politics. Germany is attacked by the USA (Snowden files) and other NATO states (Nordstream) and they do absolutely nothing. Israel, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Libya, all important foreign decisions of Germany are organized by the USA.

[@RobHel69_420]

Especially as a German I appreciate you and your work so much! Not only did I learn so much because of your work in general but especially on this topic. I always have so many thoughts about how insane germans are when it comes to Israel, zionism, antisemitism and racism towards Arab people but I'm a bit stupid and not able to put all these thoughts together coherently. And it surely doesn't help that it's almost impossible to talk about this in a normal manner outside if my close circle of friends and to witness the daily racism and discrimination my Muslim and Arab friends are facing. I can only imagine how they truly feel. So thank you for all the great work you're doing, Bruder!

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

Exactly!

[@LindaYariger]

In US, and thanks so much for sharing. When one is wrapped in soundproof hasbara for years, it takes some courage to break free of it. And then our bribed politicians don't listen to us.

[@caramelldansen2204]

You're not stupid! Stupid people don't go out of their way to separate lies from facts at a cost to their own time and, in some cases, safety. Be proud of seeking the truth!

[@AquilaZero]

Reminds me of certain "Socialists" in Germany that were national, and not really socialist.

[@vgstb]

Exactly! Fascism and Zionism have always been two cheeks of the same bottom.

[@LostinMango]

Red Fash also supported isroel

[@ThisisFerrariKhan]

Nah they were very much socialist as well. A lot of their policies and programs are what all the leftists are asking to get implemented in today’s society but they won’t ever read an uncensored book to find out just how much they share in common with the nationalist socialist party

[@LallenderLurch]

please don't even make this "joke", it's not accurate and some weird right-wingers use it as a fairytale. It was also used as a strategy by the NSDAP...

[@dorinpopa6962]

​@@LostinMango lol, someone seriously uses red fash as a term.

[@laithmughrabi8990]

Is there any especial rights to Namibia in germany? (Germany did G-cide there too)

[@philippdrescher6012]

Most people don't even know about Colonialism and the Herero and Nama genocide.

[@apasolini]

no because they are black whereas zionists are white

[@oofyboi5357]

No, because people who aren‘t white are subconciously seen as subhuman over here in germany

[@TheProletariat321]

Its crazy that I never learned about the Genocide of the Herero and Nama when it was our country that perpetrated it. We talk about the holocaust a lot, and I mean a lot (and yes I can understand, since it was truly a horrifying event) but I have never heard anyone talk about it. I only know about it from the internet and started to research it by myself.

[@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155]

@@philippdrescher6012 Because it was never seen as that until recently. It was a war like any other. And that's long over nobody today deservers anything today because of that. Germany was rebuilt two times since then itself.

[@mandanam.m.1745]

German leftist here ...and I'm massivley disappointed in the left. Even in Gysi who refused to call what is happening in Gaza a massacre.

[@chrisko6439]

Gysi is a Zionist, remember "Toilettenaffäre"?

[@ricco6270]

I lost all respect for this scumbag after being probably my favourite german politician.

[@Cuban20]

Those aren't "leftists" those are liberals

[@soyolophie]

I think they're reactionaries but they're unable to admit it to themselves

[@Cuban20]

@ Couldn't have said it better myself

[@timpauwels3734]

Indeed they are, but when you look at their political spectrum, they are unfortunately “The Left”. Even Die Linke, as shown, support Israel. Meanwhile the Greens, in many countries just short of being Marxist, are a horrific bunch of Liberal Imperialist genocidaires - and let’s not start about the SPD! From what I can find about the BSW (they’re quite new and I’m neither German nor in Germany) they, at least, seem to have a good position on this. But if that’s all there is 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@badabing3391]

@@soyolophie most liberals in the west are reactionary outside of lgbt/womens rights

[@addyhadmelike655]

Germany never denazified

[@sharcc2511]

West germany*

[@no_name4796]

No country ever did! We have it worse then the 1940s. The good things we have compared to back then, is only because after the 1940s politicians actually pushed lots of progressive legislation And i am not talking about speciric countries. It's generally what's happening EVERYWHERE

[@myword1000]

Germany was genocided. "Hellstorm" "Other Losses"

[@realet7501]

That's 100% true

[@iam8401]

Western Germany supported Israell before 1967, because many shnazies hid in it from communists of USSR. In 1967 USA put Andropov - Filkenstein as the head of KGB in USSR, covertly...

[@TheLeontheking]

Criticizing Israel is an absolute taboo here in Germany, and it is immediately equated with antisemitism. Now with the war-crimes being obvious the taboo has sometimes lifted ever so slightly..

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

KZbin Kanal von Hans Dressler: " Deutsche Geschichte" sagt am Ende seiner Reihe, dass " Die Firna BRD der jüdischen B' ni Brit Loge gehört! Das erklärt ALLES was hier in Deutschland an Irrsinn passiert!

[@giftzwerg7345]

Absolitly not, what are you talking about. Basic Support of palistine is pretty wide spread. Just bc i Support the freedom of palistine doesnt mean i have to Support the eradication of Israel. This is however what a lot of the vocal palistine supporters do!

[@TheLeontheking]

@@giftzwerg7345 I agree, but that's not how it is discussed. For example take the Berlinale where two Israeli citizens (one of Palestinian origin) explained that two sets of laws are applied to them. Afterwards they were denounced, people had to defend that they were clapping for them, even though nothing antisemitic (and also nothing against the existence of the state of Israel) had been said there. The original speech as well as the takes of different media can easily be found here on KZbin.

[@ForgotMyPasswd000]

​@@giftzwerg7345When people talk about the fall of Israel they mean the fall of the apartheid and the creation of a democratic, secular, multiethnic state as opposed to what is, in the words of Yitzak Rabin "less than a state" in the West Bank and Jerusalem which has been denounced as apartheid and Israel proper that treats the Palestinian Citizens of Israel as lesser than. Suggesting that this means genocide of the Jewish population is as ridiculous as saying that the fall of apartheid in South Africa would result in white genocide as claimed by defenders of apartheid at the time.

[@chompythebeast]

This is sheer cowardice

[@Gelatinocyte2]

>Pro Israel >"AntiFa" Couldn't be more dissonant than that.

[@khyber__]

Far left Look inside Liberals

[@badabing3391]

@@khyber__ unironically most anarchists/ancoms in western nations.

[@nikolademitri731]

Habbermass is a disappointment. Hell, Adorno and Horkheimer were very disappointing. I’m not a “Frankfurt School was all bad” type of Marxist, but sometimes some of the people from that school really fail on taking proper stance on imperialism and settler colonialism. Very sad.. Excellent video though, MDB! Good luck to you and the German people. Free Palestine!

[@ZainAhmad-jl4vt]

there's a red grafitti writing "viva palestina" arround the block. It's crossed with a black graffiti with an anarchy symbol being painted with the same black spray right next to it. It makes me cringe everytime I drive pass it.

[@bofafett7375]

turns out germany did not learn anything.

[@derstuttgarter84]

80 % of us don't want weapons or arming Israel. But our politicans are ignoring all our voices

[@LindaYariger]

In US, and we learned LESS than nothing . :-/

[@andrijnovak6367]

People really need to stop dividing people into "left" or "right". There are Germans with all kinds of political views who are against the genozide comitted by Israel. Germany isn't a single opinion. The German "left" isn't a single opinion. Why is that so hard to understand?

[@rsync9490]

​​@@LindaYarigerWe learned that we are good at chaos, destroying things and screwing people over to enrich ourselves.

[@Pmor75]

100%

[@Anonymous-vr6ph]

I’m German, please bring the wall back.

[@americancommunist6076]

based

[@jhonshephard921]

seems both parts of Germany are still Nazi based on this video. Also, and I am not kidding, part of the wall is in Orlando behind a Hard Rock cafe at Universal Studios for some reason.

[@chompythebeast]

*_Katyusha begins to play..._*

[@Emma-Maze]

Being German has not felt so embarrassing and isolating in a long time. I've never been so sure about leaving, I just don't know where to because most places seem screwed ._.

[@inkompetent08]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (as a German leftist)

[@MeleanDialogue]

German government is not interested in preventing racism in general towards non whites and muslims, just does not permit criticism of Israel.

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

Germany is " 120 Jahre fremdbestimmt " Book from Thorsten Schulte. KZbin Chanel Thorsten Schulte Silberjunge:" 120 fremdbestimmt " KZbin Chanel Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil "! Nothing is like it seams !

[@illomens2766]

Country that started two world wars still unable to find itself on the right side of history, more news at 11

[@qlintenFX]

so terrorists are on the right side of history?

[@gorgenfol]

It sure is curious how the axis powers are now part of the G7... I thought they lost the wars

[@deradler7571]

Pretty sure France and England declared war on Germany and started WW2 not the other way around.

[@illomens2766]

@@deradler7571 Oh yeah, Germany and Austria-Hungary were completely faultless in that of course. Crusader profile pic, checks out.

[@metaldemort]

​@@qlintenFXnazis called resistance ''terrorists'' whenever they had to face it... Maybe calling Palestinian resistance ''terrorist'' is not enough to pretend to analyse and understand what is going on.

[@sopport2325]

What a great video. I already plan to watch your previous video later.

[@Impossibleshadow]

The memory culture is one of the main red flags when it comes to German institutional racism. Why remember one ethnic group’s genocide and not another?

[@feydrautha012]

Indeed. You can't find a shred of the same sort of "remorse" for the Namibians among the Germans

[@Resuone]

Their logic is that they perpetrated the genocide against Jews, but why is there no Erinnerungskultur for their genocide in Namibia.

[@maxenswlfr1877]

Fun fact : there IS a German monument in Namibia that commemorates the genocide... except it's in honor of the Germans who did it. It's still there today, it's called Reiterdenkmal, in Windhoek. It has 4.3/5 on Google

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

especially anti roma racism. did you know roma were the most affected ethnicity in the holocaust? nobody in geemany acknoledges this, they just fuck over roma like they always did. its never talked about

[@frankb3347]

Imagine treating everyone equally rather than elevating one group over all others. We should give try that out for a change.

[@lecho0175]

Call it "Ersatznationalismus (substitute nationalism)"

[@nicholasmeinhart5993]

"doing everything so that Auschwitz does not repeat itself." But it's fine if Auschwitz repeats itself in Palestinian soil to Palestinians?

[@yaokene]

I was making fun of zionists on tiktok when one of them asked me to "name a palestinian king". Just an insane goal post move from the question of germans supporting colonialization yet again.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

Sounds like you got dunked on lmao 😂

[@Emma-Maze]

@MK_ULTRA420 ? Sounds like you have absolutely zero historical and cultural understanding..

[@chompythebeast]

They do it all the time. "Name one thing Gaza invented!" "Gauze, which has saved countless lives." "...okay, name five more things! Cherry tomatoes! USB drives!"

[@poserGirl863]

How about instead of making antisemitism some vague political buzzword, Germany actually somehow dealt with the very real antisemitism in its population. I went to school in Germany and I have heard „du Jude“ ( you Jew) as an insult and heard the undesired last sip of a beer or spezi (you know, the one that people say is mostly saliva) referred to as the „Judenschluck“ (Jew sip) and things like that rather frequently.

[@Layd36]

The irony is Germans are still anti-semite but now chose a different semite as their target i.e the Arabs instead of Jews, they surely do carry their hate towards brown people eventually

[@MrBaumGeo]

"Die Linke" has changed it perspective on sanctions on Israel at least. But still some older party members support Israel unconditionally. But the party has changed a lot recently with the exit of all the BSW authoritarianist and populists

[@AmpWave-x9m]

You don't even know that BSW is anti-Israel? Think about it.

[@glapanowski]

Funny because as far as I know, Sahra Wagenknecht is the only prominent German politician who openly calls out Israel on what they do - and yet, you can't stop yourself from crapping on her while giving a pat to Linke.

[@MrBaumGeo]

@@glapanowski because she cant understand in the case of the ukraine war that russia did start that war and needs to be punished for it, and in terms of migration she wants the wrong policies that are not humanitarian imo aswell. It is clear that her solution is populist in terms of seeing what germans want and going with that, and its authoritarian because she clearly doesnt want to punish Putin the warmongor for his war crimes in ukraine adequately.

[@ShivamChadha98]

1976: first time Likud used “from the sea to river jordan” in their charter 1987-1992: when “from the river to the sea” becomes popular amongst Palestinians as a demand for reform and destruction of the apartheid state. Very clear to see which one came first!

[@SanFranFan30]

I'm trying to figure out where Bes D. Marx is from because dude is elite at pronouncing words in basically every language.

[@fun_ghoul]

The consensus is that he's a German of Turkish descent. Before I saw that, I assumed he was Italian. He doesn't in fact nail every pronunciation, but then, nobody does.

[@SanFranFan30]

@@fun_ghoul I've been thinking that he was German-Turkish but I didn't want to make an outright guess.

[@felix-1917]

Gonna guess he's swiss. His german pronunciation sounds swiss german.

[@Victorvondoom9159]

@@fun_ghoul no such thing as a german of turkish descent he might be a turk who lives in germany, but he isn't a german unless he is ethnically german

[@musashimiyamoto586]

I would like to know, too, so I can figure out what the reason for his crusade against Germany is.

[@lordgigapiller]

"Forever united in gen*" well put. The German government should remind us what happened to the Herero and Nama people. I'm pretty sure Rosa Luxemburg detailed it pretty well over a century ago so surely reparations are just around the corner there

[@myenglishgig5182]

Thank you - finally German obstinate support of Israel’s genocide is beginning to make sense. What’s the way for Germany towards self-knowledge and realisation of the facts about Palestine?

[@smrzgk]

Imagine siding with the same enemy TWICE

[@josemaria8177]

Once again we are reminded that the wrong Germany lost the cold war

[@JacktheRah]

The other Germany wasn't much better. While it didn't simp for Israel it simped for other fascist dictatorships and was even more authoritarian than the Soviet Union, literally shooting down protests for freedom and equality. Make no mistake my friend, both the FRG and the GDR overall sucked/still suck. You can condemn one injustice and at the same time also condemn the other. What we needed and what we need was and is neither, the GDR nor the FRG system. We still need proper denazification as neither states really did so and we ended up with a lot of old nazi structures which never changed and are now too "sacred" to even consider changing (because change is generally viewed as a bad thing in Germany or at least in German politics).

[@snaildun]

@@JacktheRah What fascist dictatorships did it simp for? By protests for freedom and equality do you mean protests to restore capitalism in Germany? stop using vague explanations

[@tommahkun]

@@JacktheRah By "protests for freedom and equality" do you mean saboteur scum who literally put soap in schoolchildrens' milk among other heinous acts which made the Berlin Wall necessary? And the GDR had heads of state that were opposed to the Nazis since the beginning, unlike the FRG who didn't have anyone without ties to the Third Reich in power until the 70s or so.

[@tst2363]

​@snaildun I only think of Ethiopia, regarding "fascist" dictatorships. But the GDR leadership certainly did not simp for any country, except the USSR itself😆 and the commoners there simped for the FRG

[@teamkilled1227]

@@snaildunameriKKKa is the fascist dictatorship it simped for

[@pizdrinkah]

Ireland is quite literally the complete opposite. no matter how far-right someone is here, they're always at least somewhat sympathetic to the Palestine liberation movement and other anti-colonial movements. Thank god we actually know what genocide is and don't have some distorted "genocide is when demographic change in white country" ass view that every other IC (if ireland can be considered IC, which the more you know about the material realities of Ireland, the harder it gets to fit in the categories of IC and IP) country seems to have.

[@Hoonters-goona-Hoont]

Hoiya, I'm mostly uneducated about Ireland and the nuances of it's history and culture, but from the exposure I had, I've always found it to be as you say, what with Ireland being the one "western country" that very clearly and directly had to recover from all the predatory shit the rest of the west did to the most of the rest of the world. Anyway, what are IP and IC countries? I kinda failed to get a conclusive Google check on that. ._.

[@obansrinathan]

@@Hoonters-goona-Hoontimperial core and imperial periphery. I think.

[@Victorvondoom9159]

the fact that demographics changing may not be a genocide doesn't it should be allowed(it ahould be explicitly forbidden)

[@Netbase2000]

From your Point of view, how much was Religion involved in Ireland?

[@wtfdoiputhere]

Germany just can't pick the right side of history every time

[@musashimiyamoto586]

I see, why don't you tell me what country you are from so I can make random assumptions about yours, too.

[@chompythebeast]

@@musashimiyamoto586 ok hasbara lol

[@不幸屋の娘-o6l]

I feel such pity for Germans. A completely guilt-tripped, self-hating nation. It's time to wake up.

[@georgelyddane8283]

they are completely cucked by the USA and Israel. I’ve heard a quote from one of their PM’s once that “the whole purpose of Germanys existence is to protect Israel” or something along those lines. They are scared to be proud of their own nation, and when that happens, it crumbles.

[@MoeMa4]

As usual... Excellent essay with receipts and all

[@Annissa-dv6kc]

Great synthesis of timelines, events and sources- certainly a tremendous undertaking, but the creator connects the dots so adeptly. Hitchens’ shift in the early 2000s is a helpful illustration of the Anglo-American version of this phenomenon.

[@inversebrah]

blessed with another Bes D. Marx video 🙏❤

[@Phantasmagoria-mo2sz]

I think it’s a little bit unfair to have this one sided discussion of the left in Germany. There are huge internal discussions about Israel. And I think the public opinion is slowly changing. Because the main news source in Germany the “Tagesschau” is reporting on the genocide in Gaza. So are some mainstream newspapers like the “TAZ”

[@mitsurismp3926]

Or you could stop making it about yourself and discuss how all levels of your society hates Palestinians in a way that rivals i*rael. In no constructive way is there a single pro-Palestinian left in Germany that isn’t either Marxist’s or exclusively led by brown people. You aren’t even legally allowed to identify as Palestinian in most parts of Germany. The treatment of Palestinians is fucking horrific and a lot of it happens because the average German and Austrian leftists are failures compared to even the average Crobyn non-leftist, the average former Yugoslav, or hell the average Dutch football fan. You people manage to be a bigger joke than the average American “leftist”.

[@erinaltstadt4234]

I really appreciate the fact that you include your sources

[@Apsua72]

İ live in germany since 50 years. The problem with germany is that the past and the jew lobbys are extrem strong. Every critic about israel and you loose your job. it doesn't matter who you are. For example a journalist who had make a caricature about Netanjahu lost his job or in the comedy sector on tv there are not one comedian that can make jokes about jews. İt's over for you and every critic is labeled as antisemitism. The whole media talks only positive about israel. İt's very sad. They have a prominent sentence when it comes to the holocaust past. "Never again" but Germany never stopped, as one now sees the support for the genocide. There are always in there.

[@ivanamicimici]

Awesome video!

[@catloaff]

Just 6 minutes in and this is already an incredible video

[@Hydra-V]

Grmny obviously mastered the art of gaslighting by the first WW, gaining professional proficiency by the second WW and now, with Palstne, Grmny has reached peak PhD levels of gaslighting.

[@BlackPhilosophy]

Your work is essential comrade, keep it up!

[@LindaYariger]

Tyvm, been trying to figure this out. And your historical analysis is amazing. Really well done, sir!

[@LindaYariger]

It's like mad-dog violence is Israel's PTSD, and misplaced knee-jerk guilt is Germany's PTSD

[@LindaYariger]

One abused child becomes an abuser; another becomes an enabler

[@birgitb.5278]

Thank you for your valuable reporting!

[@This_One_Guy161]

Very important documentary 👏❤

[@DriverKIT]

Not all of us.... Greetings from Germany! Free Palestine! 🕊️

[@MyHolyUnicorn]

I recently started my master's degree at uni kassel. I did my bachelor's at a small german university which didn't have much political activism. Imagine my surprise when I entered the main campus and there were two huuuuuuge signs stating "Our campus is no platform for hate, violence and hate speech. At the university of kassel study and teach many people of different nationalities and religions. Universities are places of open dialogue, marked by mutual tolerance and respect. Only arguments, reason and compassion count here. (So far so saying nothing at all but then:) It is clear to us: We do not look away when humans suffer. The right of the state of Israel to exist is not to be questioned. The right of the Palestinian people to their own state is not to be questioned. The responsibility of the hundred year conflict lies not only with one party. Any form of terrorism is to be condemned. Every comparison to the crimes of the nazis is forbidden. Just like any form of antisemitism and islamophobia" Yes I'm sure they value open dialogue

[@Helperbot-2000]

"Every comparison to the crimes of the nazis is forbidden." Ah yes, that would just make it way too obvious israel is just evil so they just have to stop the comparisons entirely? Brilliant.

[@cheetooreo6636]

The world is getting a live preview of the average German/Austrian fascist mentality of the 1930s & 40s. They never de-nazified.

[@Netbase2000]

True video.I'm embarrassed that we let this happen and even deliver weapons.

[@TheLeontheking]

I wish the lesson from Germany's past would be to not tolerate any Genocide. Instead, many seem to think they only have to defend Jews but don't have to care about other people.

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

Germany is since the lost wars under foreign goverment and has nothing to decide for his own interests!!!

[@n.nasanguanahano818]

"to not tolerate any Genocide." - does this statement include attempted genocide by the rulers of the Gaza against Jews?

[@TheLeontheking]

@n.nasanguanahano818 Absolutely. But it also includes the rejection of collective punishment of a population for their rulers.

[@n.nasanguanahano818]

@@TheLeontheking Well....Germans have some historic experience regarding collective punishment of a population for their rulers, as most often the innocent population is not quite as innocent, as it seems.

[@TheLeontheking]

@n.nasanguanahano818 So what do you propose to do with such a population?

[@d.3521]

Whats up with the huge amount of Kurdish flags among Anti Deutsche?

[@ChristianBol-p8u]

A lot of kurds live in germany. And they love to hate on muslims because of turkey, syria, iraq and iran. They are everywhere suppresed by muslims so they tag along. It's a bit more complicated, but well.

[@JonaFaschoschreck161]

A lot of german Anarchists are in support of the PKK, the YPG and Kurdish independence movement. Anti-D's see themselves as Anarchists.

[@angelamerkel222]

i guess its because kurdistan is supported by america

[@mkultraenjoyer]

Turkey

[@cottagehardcoreultrasw3998]

basrani simps. they are not on the same ideology as the KCK which is of course against israel.

[@eriontufa]

We eatin' good with this one

[@GERMANFORCE]

It's all about being called antisemite

[@nebojsag.5871]

"If the people we genocided also commit genocide, that reverses the badness of our own genocide". Hot damn.

[@E_Rex_Sean]

Believe it or not, the Germans weren’t originally like this 😅

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

1:18 You can't say much about this guy because he sues everybody but fact is he was arrested with a certain stimulant that is popular for certain activities in an area where very young eastern European guys make a living and he really doesn't like Jamaicans

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

DEFINITELY NOT saying he is a PDF

[@mrsoshadabaadman]

German efficiency outsourcing guilt and pretending it no longer exists.

[@miltiadiskoutsokeras9189]

German "Leftists" mix Primo Levi and Benjamin. Well... No. Definitely no

[@ilovejesusandilovegod8803]

so will y'all vote for BSW instead of die linke? Honest question from a foreigner

[@TheFabledSCP7000]

This is even worse than America

[@mitsurismp3926]

Quite frankly yes. Even the most milk toast group like the DSA is nominally pro-Palestinian, meanwhile almost every institution aside from anything led by brown people is anti-Palestinian.

[@cylr]

another day, another banger by bes d. marx

[@rdallas81]

No mention of Ye z o v or Yagoda? Who was running things in the N k v d? Who executed the Tsar? Look those names up- which some are celebrated in Is ra el today.

[@rdallas81]

❤

[@anidiot4243]

Jews had jobs in USSR? How shocking!!! As if they are you know,people and can get jobs??

[@kourrage1341]

Another banger from my goat bes d marx

[@TheEnginator]

So-called socialist and leftist parties in Germany are pretty far-right compared to parties in other countries.

[@shoxx48]

That sounds like America

[@olivers.7821]

The SPD (the Socialdemocratic Party of Germany) is pretty standard centre left. The Linke (the Left) is anti-capitalist liberal left but lost all of its relevance with infighting and broken hierarchical structures, which often was in conflict with their own moral standards. The BSW (the Alliance Sahra Wagenknecht) is a party centered around the founder Sahra Wagenknecht who is a stalinist and therefore follows politics that are in support of Russia over helping the people in Germany. It is authoritarian left. Lastly, the Grüne (the Greens). They are environmental left. I would say all of them are political left, with the exception of the BSW which has because of the beliefs of its founder more overlap with the far right than the left. Ironically probably the only party some of you would call left out of this list.

[@mooreanonumbers]

Really? Look at what happened to Labour or the french socialist party. Corbyn was even purged because he didn't follow the zionist line(or at least that was the excuse). Socdems turning into neolibs over the past few decades is the rule in Europe rather than the exception.

[@chrisko6439]

@olivers.7821 complete nonsense. Wagenknecht has become a social democrat in recent years. Stalinist, my a**. Far right, my a**. You are regurgitating German corporate media propaganda. I hope you get paid well for it.

[@DanRyzESPUK]

The BSW is the only leftist party for us outside Germany. Supporting Genocide is a big red line, like an American Highway red line. To me, the rest of the parties are disgusting, especially the Greens, more like Caqui military Green: Pro NATO, Pro US, Pro Empire, Pro Colonisation, and supposedly environmentalists that supports opening new coal power stations.

[@PenneySounds]

It's astonishing how people can repeat history in the name of NOT repeating history.

[@pandora65-hata-no-kokoro]

I really gotta applaud your effort to provide people with the marxist or generally class-conscious outlook on the topics you cover and I have not seen anybody do this as well as you do on KZbin. Are you currently doing the channel besides a job or is it able to finance itself? Definitely considering to support you on patreon

[@ReidBottorff]

Great video, Bes!

[@ComradeSam_007]

I hope everyone is well 🖤

[@achrystalflute]

No wonder DeutscheBahn sucks. Total incoherence from german politics.

[@derfret1365]

On the 3rd of october, the german state and it's patriotic bootlikers celebrated the "unification" of Germany. Germany was split in two in a response to its own crimes. Four days later, people in Gaza took down a border fence that was imposed on them, after their people were split into at least four sections, for the single crime of living on land that zionists wanted to colonise. Of course, the german press didn't see any of this. They called it an unprovoked attack, motivated by nothing but their supposed hatred for jews. Yes, german propaganda is entirely calculated. But it also only works because the german public is entirely underinformed about Palestine, the german war aims in eastern Europe, the Ghettos, the scramble for Africa. And yet, hearing the same few informations about Nazi Germany over and over again makes them think they know more than anyone else, and unfortunately well-meaning liberals outside feed into this delusion by looking up to Germany as some sort of positive example. What frightens me is, if germans actually saw the things for how they actually are, I think they'd rather drop their red, green, yellow and black exterior and just become open and proud Nazis instead of standing for any of the principles they claim and getting rid of their internal german exceptionalism

[@victormeidan1062]

Nope. Arab Naatseeism is almost as bad the original.

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

The German Politik is since the lost wars under foreign goverment!!! KZbin Kanal von Sean Hross Giureh-G.I.U.R.E.H:" The Swiss Beast. The Home of the Devil " NOTHING IS LIKE IT SEAMS!!!

[@calicocat8213]

​@@victormeidan1062Why insist on flaunting your ignorance - haven't you even heard of Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz and the term he coined? Look it up, old chap. You'd be also well advised to re-read Jabotinsky's 1923 "Iron Wall", in which he clearly and repeatedly - though of course approvingly - calls the Z-ï-0-ñ-îßt Project a COLONIZATION, against the will and well-being of the existing, NATIVE population, who "will continue to resist as long as there remains a tiniest spark of hope of regaining their NATIVE land".

[@AmpWave-x9m]

So you think Gazans can just storm the fence without consequences?

[@calicocat8213]

@AmpWave-x9m So you think the Z-ï-0-ñ-îßts can just keep on "Mowing the Lawn", sniping and killing or permanently maiming unarmed women, children, the disabled in their wheelchairs, the double amputees on their crutches, over the years on end WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES? The cynical, cold-blooded, barbaric, terrorist murder of Count Folke Bernadette, for which you have never been held accountable and which you lied and weaseled your way out of emboldened you, did it not?

[@chrisko6439]

~20 years ago I played an online game called power of politics, it was for players in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. There were parties, I was in the Guerillas Revolucionarios party. We had some of these "Antideutsche" as members. I was glad that we managed to oust them after a bit of idiotic discussions and fighting. Absolute insanity, their kind of "thinking", probably an invention of some "service" abroad. They were calling anticapitalism "structural anti-semitism", i.e. THEY were anti-semites.

[@DanRyzESPUK]

They sound like a mad sect and infiltrated cops, those "Anti-Germans".

[@o.w.n.1327]

Okay so I haven't watched the full thing but like at 1:51, are they really that stupid that they see it like a video game logic? Oh I supported Israel now that means I am less ashamed of my past. Fucking hell this is gonna be one hell of a video to watch.

[@solanjedere]

YES. You support racism and genocide as a good old german, just changed the race this time. SHAME ON YOU

[@dakinayantv3245]

Germany exchanged antisemitism for islamophobia.

[@Julia-Richter]

The war in Gaza isn't about religion, but the statehood of Palestine.

[@tackytaco8133]

@@Julia-Richter In this day and age I do not understand what is statehood useful for except religion. Case in point : ISIS.

[@chompythebeast]

@@Julia-Richter It isn't a war, and Islamophobia underpins the entirety of the sionista entity

[@Warriorcats64]

This explains why German Greens threw US Greens under the bus last election.

[@lumpilumpinski9951]

Richard von Weizsäcker was an Wehrmachts Soldat. After Moskow he was in the OKH. Highcomand of the Army.

[@Notfallkaramell]

As a German, it feels like you can't say anything bad about Israel or Jews in general, even if it is true, without being branded a nazi.

[@MrZauberelefant]

AfD uboot gefunden

[@Notfallkaramell]

@MrZauberelefant uboot? Hast du Bot falsch geschrieben? Also deine AfD Reaktion beweist meine Aussage.

[@norikofu509]

​@MrZauberelefant Germany should get a grip

[@ForgotMyPasswd000]

"Or Jews" alright Adolf pack it up. Israel doesn't represent the global Jewish population, to say otherwise is promoting the dual loyalty myth used by Nazis. The biggest supporters of the settlements in the West Bank are Christian Zionist in the US, Jewish Zionists while obviously being a large group are relatively insignificant compared to these ghouls besides their work to push propaganda in Jewish communities just as the Christian Zionists do in their communities.

[@AlsWeiderNetRatze]

Warum willst du "Jews in General" kritisieren? Also das ist doch genau der Punkt. Israel sollte man endlich grundsätzlich kritisieren dürfen - und dabei nicht vorgeworfen bekommen, jüdische Menschen generell zu meinen. Du willst jetzt aber einfach gegen Juden was sagen?

[@simonag.8587]

does anyone know good youtube channels in german that talk about those kind of topics/history with a similar perspective ? i'm learning german but whenever i watch something about politics it's always annoying liberals and it tires me

[@cassdoesntpass]

Great video, very very enlightening

[@ahmetmayradertli6430]

Another banger video thanks

[@numbersix8919]

Thanks for the terrifying true history of Germany.

[@Pseudonym25]

Thanks for this

[@VielfältigEinfältig]

It's so sad to see how the leftists in Germany break again because of this, they are criticised for beeing anti-Semitic because of their engagement towars the palestenian liberation and are dismissed by a lot of people for their solidarity with israel - that's the much bigger part in public. It breaks my heart. I criticise in both directions but mostly the anti d's who dismiss every action for freedom that includes acknowledging the crimes of Israel. What i critise about the others is that they fall into blind "fuck Israel" rhetoric (international problem) i know the reasons for it but as a leftist i don't see any reason for any countrie to exist but i also don't hate one single one and i won't say any countrie deserves existence less. We have to accept this fact to reuinite and find a solution for everyone. Leftist should hate the concepts and structures like nationalism, racism, colonialism but never the countrie or the people, we fight for the people and id wish we would not segregate like it's a football game.

[@VielfältigEinfältig]

I MEANT SOCCER GOSH I'M SO GERMAN

[@garaznisokak4295]

Its so sad to see both-sideism between a genocidal, apartheid collonialism and its victims presented as normal rational stance. How are even supposed radical left Germans the purest liberals. Please learn the difference between a state and a country. Should apartheid South Africa, with far more mild policies, should not be abolished? Is there two sides for that also? Israel must be dismantled as a state as it is only current regime with racial, religious and ideological supremacy written into their laws, and the only current regime genociding and colonizing a population. People who you just cant see as equals from what i read.

[@rug052]

another banger

[@ArmageddonAfterparty]

I would argue that supporting a vash-jist janosssssidal App hard-heid system (ai concealment speak) automatically makes you the extreme right, not left.

[@dropyourself]

Bro that's wild. I think aprthd and gcid works

[@silkekoehlmann4188]

They are under foreign controll! GERMANY HAD LOST THE LAST WORS AND HAS NOTHING TO DECIDE !!!