Why Mia Winters was Actually A Villain | Story of Mia Winters Explained

[@HeYDeVuH]

Do you guys consider Mia Winters a Villain in both Resident Evil 7 and Resident Evil Village?

[@kingshadow8782]

Cool

[@kingshadow8782]

I think i would consider her as both.

[@kingshadow8782]

Excellent idea.

[@quantumfate8528]

Not exactly, but she is the reason why everything bad happened to Ethan and their daughter

[@aimeewolf557]

I feel like she is a redemption villain and also someone who was extremely scared to let the one person who she loved find out about her work with one of the worst people in the world

[@AndrewCzaja]

She could’ve lived a simple life with Ethan, but kept her past and occupation working with a Bioterrorism Organization secret. If she didn’t do the shady things she did with the Connections, Ethan wouldn’t have had to sacrifice his own life at the expense of Mia’s lies.

[@scoe3000]

She quite literally ruined Ethan’s life. I’m pretty sure if she had said in the opening video… “Hey Ethan, don’t come looking for me, I’m in a bio-terroristic organization hellbent on destroying the world as we know it”, I’m fairly sure Ethan’s white knight crusade wouldn’t seem as fun. 🤣

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah she really made a mess of things, especially for Ethan.

[@jechasandwich]

Maybe it wasn't so easy for her to just quit her bioterrorism job. Ya know like the drug business. She knows about it so it's either she keep on working with them or they go and kill her. It only ended when Ethan and Chris (indirectly) saved her because she became a witness and was put "under prorection" by the BSAA.

[@emulation2369]

Woman moment

[@jayemerengueli]

She did say for him to stay away. This is what happens when you don't listen.

[@stormangel]

Mia's a complicated character, for sure. I think she genuinely loved Ethan, but she valued their relationship built on lies rather than honesty and openness. She probably didn't want to lose him, so rather than tell the truth and give him the option to walk away (because let's face it, if your spouse admitted to being involved in human trafficking, human experimentation and terrorism you'd divorce them on the spot too) she kept the truth from Ethan and let the fantasy live on a little longer until karma bit her royally in the ass. As someone else mentioned, she only revealed the truth to Chris after the shit had hit the fan and it was too late. That said, I think that once she was involved that deeply within the Connections, it was probably impossible to leave, even if she wanted to. She was directly involved with Eveline, probably knew a lot of the higher-ups in the organisation and was too entrenched to get out without being asassinated, so trying to get out would have put a target not only her back, but Ethan's too, so to some degree she was protecting him. I think RE8 did her a *huge* disservice by fridging her for 98% of the game instead of giving her the chance to redeem herself as a character, maybe directly helping save her daughter or fighting Miranda, so the end of her character arc was incredibly disappointing. Though, that's poor writing's fault, not hers, so i'll give her that at least. I personally can't like her as a character, but I appreciate her complexity. Instead of redeeming herself for all the lies and awful shit she's done, her child was kidnapped, and entire village was slaughtered/nuked and Ethan once again paid with his life - and she gets to walk away with her daughter after all that. I don't think she's a villain - a villain's henchman at the most - but she is an incredibly selfish person who caused a LOT of harm as a direct consequence of her lies, and it probably severely impacted her relationship with Rose as she grew older and started asking questions about her dad.

[@amonebrice5088]

Very well written, I agree with you on this. It's crazy to think how much pain and sorrow could have been avoided if Mia for once could have just been honest. Instead of dragging so many people down with her, all of these lives were lost behind her fear of telling the truth including Ethan. It's more than likely something she is reminded of and lives with every second of every day.

[@NeoPortaPotty]

You don't consider a character directly involved with human trafficking experimentation and bio weapon terrorism a villain not e e getting to the Ethan stuff that's very much a villain.

[@stormangel]

@@NeoPortaPotty I guess it's my own interpretation of a villain as someone who is actively malicious vs. the protagonist? Mia's not up there with Miranda/Wesker/Saddler in terms of grand evil machinations and 4D chess planning, but she's definitely a terrible person who committed some pretty awful things, no denying that, but it was either at the behest of some higher power (the Connections) or her out of her own selfishness. (also she and Droney were horrible to Eveline even before Evie started acting up on the ship and that probably triggered the kid's meltdown and I really dislike her for that. Plus, knowing that all the previous interations of the A through E types who were presumably born to someone at the Munich facility and who then killed off for being 'faulty', it really fucking pisses me off that she went off after RE7 thinking she could go and have a baby of her own knowing she was involved with a company that, y'know, killed dozens of them. That really doesn't sit well with me and I know she's fictional but MAN I hope she feels guilt over that.) It's just that in my mind, the villain is someone who actively opposes the protag and Mia doesn't really serve that role in the story - she's more of a catalyst who happens to be an antagonist. In RE7 Eveline/The Bakers were the villains and Mia the "goal", in RE8 Miranda and the Four Lords were the villains.

[@NeoPortaPotty]

@@stormangel so she was mengele vs Hitler did that really make her less evil?

[@stormangel]

@@NeoPortaPotty m8 I really don't understand why you keep coming after me about this. I'm not disagreeing with you? I wrote a whole-ass essay explaining my reasonings. I never said she was a good person. She helped enable some horrific things because of her inaction/lying and her selfish dishonesty got her husband and many others killed. I just don't think she's a **villain** because she doesn't **consciously** oppose Ethan. To me, a villain is someone who is actively malicious towards the protagonist. In RE7, she's being controlled by Eveline, who I stated above was the "villain" of the story. Is a puppet evil because the puppet-master has it stab someone with a knife? Whenever she wasn't being controlled, she was trying to help him/get him to leave so he wouldn't get infected as well. Before Evie took over the ship Mia was actively protecting/deterring Ethan from getting involved with her shady-ass shenanigans. But if you wanna make (frankly stupid af) nazi comparisons so badly, compare The Connections to the top ranks of the Third Reich and Mia to a soldier in the german army. Both are committing atrocities, but one is clearly the bigger villain and the other is a henchman following orders.

[@ohsock.5501]

I really hope we can see more of Rose's relationship with Mia, i would love for them to have a strained mother-daughter relationship because of Mia's past. If Rose is working with Chris then she probably knows what her mother has done and the fact that, basically, her father's death was Mia's fault from the start Plus Rose is wearing Ethan's jacket so i'm guessing she really looks up to him, which could lead to her holding a grudge against Mia

[@HeYDeVuH]

You're right, this is something that they can explore in the best game and see how this plays out. I'd like to see Mia have a redemption arc where she makes right all the things she's done which In the end helps the relationship she has with Rose.

[@luxluther436]

Who wouldn’t look up to Ethan? Not one but two times has he gone through hell for his family, having to fight supernatural monsters and do a ritual to piece back together Rose’s body. He almost died numerous times and had to stand up to overlords for his infant daughter. Ethan Winters is a *saint*

[@ohsock.5501]

@@luxluther436 Ethan Chad Winters

[@BigHuskyGG]

If Mia lied to Rose about her situation I wonder if she(Rose) will learn the truth during the dlc coming out for village

[@noobgun12]

@@luxluther436 he almost died? Dude he did die many times infact

[@permeus2nd]

people forget that she was 100% onboard with them making Evalin, Mia was with the project from the word go, she was an agent for the Connections. this was another reason that RE8 didnt really sit well with me, i dont think blue umbrella and the BSAA would have let a agent of the Connections and a walking BOW walk free like they did.

[@HeYDeVuH]

You're absolutely right and it's hard understand the rationale as to why they kept her free after what she's done.

[@91getoverit]

She’s definitely a villain. I was literally going over Eveline’s creation in my head and how unethical and cruel it was. She knew why they were creating her. Also, they were a terrorist organization so that says everything.

[@notgonnapay]

@@HeYDeVuH she likely cut a deal with them for her freedom in exchange for any intel on The Connections. It’s not like she had an active role in any act of terrorism and she paid for her involvement with the project for three years in Dulvey. And once Chris & Co. learned of Miranda, they had even more of a reason to keep her around.

[@KurtisC93]

Or maybe, they kept her free so that they could monitor her activities and try to trace her contacts in order to unearth more about the Connections and the origins of the mutamycete. That's yet another question I expect they'll be answering in a future game.

[@CodeeXD]

They weren't free though. They're under pretty close watch by the bsaa and they also didn't know Ethan was a BoW until they find mia in the village.

[@texastesse1126]

I’m betting that Rose is going to be no contact or at least very strained with Mia in RE9. Like Mia constantly comparing Rose to Evelyn

[@HeYDeVuH]

That's something I really want to see unfold. Having the storyline of a strained relationship with Mia just to what happened to Ethan and the events from RE7 and RE Village

[@missnanunana01]

Ohhh, wait until Rose learns why her dad died. That it was basically Mia's fault. Boy, that could be awesome! Unless of course what Mia did will be twisted so it can be explained as "She had to do it and blah blah blah". Man, I really hope it'll be "Yeah, Mia fucked up and your dad had to suffer from it", that would be sick!

[@josephzimmer6364]

@@missnanunana01 she would be able to see his memories abs would be able to put two abs two together due to the megamycyte communications with Ethan

[@ReverendSyn]

*RE 7 & 8 and it's shallow characters needs to be swept under the rug and forgotten like the dirt they were.*

[@margarethmichelina5146]

I think Rose will likely raised by Chris and doesn't spend too much time with Mia and probably after learning the truth, she will resents Mia for the rest of her life.

[@BadassHater1]

To be fair - everyone except Ethan are horrible characters. But while Bakers and Eveline are victims of circumstances (infection, experiments and all that) - Mia is just a horrible person in general.

[@thomasraines1396]

Except for Lucas who was just a bastard.

[@Monty2289]

Damn just gonna ignore Joe and Zoe huh? She's just a southern tomboy who dindu nuffin. I love how you're FORCED to choose Mia over Zoe. The worst part about this inferior serum is that it simply just doesn't work either way

[@ninjin1749]

@@Monty2289 Joe Baker best RE7 character

[@SixtyFourJr]

Chris, Joe, Zoe, and Clancy:

[@loyaltyoptimismversatilityerud]

Mia didn't bring Eveline in Baker's home but Jack Baker had brought E001 in his family. Mia tried to save them but Eveline the biohazard had trapped her for prolonged period.

[@Sheaun]

Mia most definitely was a villain. Even after the survived the first round in RE7, she continued to lie and omit in RE8. Only confessing when Chris found her...

[@HeYDeVuH]

Exactly, I suspect that she thought that she was doing good by omitting the important details to Ethan but in the end it just backfired.

[@mrx-od3ji]

eveline was was the villain not mia winters eveline got in mias head made her not act like herself.

[@dimieneyitemi1721]

@@mrx-od3ji even tho Mia was literally working for the damn company that made eveline to be a child biometric weapon with Mia working as her mom without telling Ethan of her job?

[@mrx-od3ji]

@@dimieneyitemi1721 mia did not tell ethan to keep him save so she is not a villain or to blame even that she worked for the company.

[@dimieneyitemi1721]

@@mrx-od3ji she didn’t tell him because she knew damn well he would leave her if she did ? She wasn’t forced in anyway to help the damn company in real life you would easily get manipulated by someone like Mia you need to wake up

[@crumb.crumblet.S.crumbington]

THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!! i do like to think that mia did really love ethan a lot and they had a good relationship (minus the arguing) but she just kept lying to him too much, and eventually its what ruined the both of them unfortunately for ethan

[@josedorsaith5261]

Thank you! I couldn't stand her. Ethan died trying to rescue her and she won't stop lying to him in return

[@midasthestallion4105]

Why was she a villain? For the same reason William Birkin, Annette Birkin, Albert Wesker, Alex Wesker, and Alexia Ashford were villains. She's a freaking Bioterrorist. I don't understand how people can just look over that because she was Ethan's Ex Wife. Her occupation was the sole reason why I gave Zoey the vaccine in the first place.

[@Erzabet]

I want Mia to be the ultimate bad in RE9. It makes sense with all the subtext with her character her in RE7 & 8. She was an operative deep within a bio weapon creating organization. My theory is she actually infected Ethan long before he reached the Baker estate and summoning him there was a way to pit his strain of the mold vs Evelyn's. An experiment, which is what happened at the Baker residence for three years. She then created Rose using Ethan's strain and pieces of the Megamycete, which she got from Miranda. I think she always wanted a bio weapon she could control, from Evelyn to Ethan to Rose...

[@HeYDeVuH]

That would be awesome if they really delve into this scenario. I can see the connections retaliating in some way and possibly cause a strain between Mia and Rose, though how this would play out I'm not to sure. In the end the foundation is there for them to explore and I hope they capitalize on this in Resident Evil 9.

[@stephano1019]

Ooo this is interesting!

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

As much of a letdown as I thought the village was if we get to kill Mia in the 9th game I will pre-order and I will beat the game in one sitting lol

[@Grac3AndP3ac3]

@@HeYDeVuH I like this idea, but if they'll go that far, then I think it would be cool if Mia herself was a bioweapon and didn't know it

[@mattmedrala1947]

As hilarious as this would be, I don't think Capcom would ever take her that seriously AND I really doubt she'd be willing to put herself through three years of torture. I do like the idea of her having secretly been Ethan's 'handler' though...

[@jeremyknight9980]

I never understood why Mia kept secrets from Ethan in Village. From them being mold mutants to Rose being one you'd think after everything that happened at the Baker's house she wouldnt hold anymore secrets even if it causes issues in their relationship. It wasn't like they could go back to having normal lives, then Rose knows what she is so was it really worth it?

[@HeYDeVuH]

I thought the same exact thing and in the end escalated things further. Because if she was upfront with Ethan and also notified Chris about Ethan's biology, then maybe they could've gotten more help from the get go and possibly avoided having Mother Miranda kidnap Mia

[@ziabuenacosa5369]

Probably due to trauma and fear of breaking the family. If I was in her shoes Id also be scared shitless to lose everything after what happened to us (when portion of what happened was my fault) also it was said that Mia was taking medications to probably calm her down (probably b4 disguised miranda came in)

[@DeathnoteBB]

Also I would have thought it was obvious they were mold after the first game. I know they took some antidote so I guess they thought that fixed it

[@mausolus8466]

Can you imagine telling your spouse "Hey baby, btw. you are in fact mouldy undead mutant that died and was ressurected by BOW. I hope that isn't problem."? I think if she would do that, Ethan would probably end up with strong depression and existential crisis and might even attempt to take his own life. I never understood why people blame Mia for this secret (and I understand why she kept as secret her original occupation as well, I mean, even people in some legal organization, such as secret services, are bound to keep their activities secret, even from their spouses), yes it was a lie, but to me it occured as merciful lie (imho truth is not always a best thing and obligation, not if it would break the person in question down)...

[@jeremyknight9980]

@@mausolus8466 I can see what you mean, but he was going to find out anyway even if Miranda didn't kidnap Mia and Rose.

[@FishesFlyTillTheWorldDies]

That is why I always choose Zoe to give the shot to. I thought Mia was suspect when I first played, I never trusted her. Plus, Mia means Missing In Action, which she has been for both games. I have my theories about her

[@ashchisalleh1454]

Ah that actually quite interesting pun and ..dang good one

[@HeYDeVuH]

I chose Zoe my first playthrough on RE7, I did it with the same reasons as you, because Mia at that point was a villain figure who made Ethan's life a nightmare.

[@ebonimom6964]

Same I didnt trust Mia

[@FishesFlyTillTheWorldDies]

Exactly, I was dumbfounded when Ethan went and had a baby with her. Just off RE8 you already know Mia is on something a lot deeper. I doubt that she is in the same situation as Ethan, she reminds me of Ada for some reason. A woman to never trust.

[@amarareed2432]

I believed Mia about as much as I believe in the man on the moon

[@Edgbear]

She definitely isn’t a villain, but an antagonist? Definitely. Antagonists are people who put obstacles in the protagonist’s way, and she does that perfectly even without meaning too. She’s a perfect antagonist, being completely grey instead of black and white while still making important decisions that affect the story. If im being honest, I don’t usually go into lore of games ☠️☠️ but resident evil has definitely caught my eye, it’s an amazing series

[@HeYDeVuH]

That's a fair assessment, she did a lot of things, as you said, that were obstacles for Ethan to get over. I really hope they bring her back for the next game and give her a great redeeming arc.

[@souradipmallick1550]

Mia Winters maybe capcom give her a dlc in Re8 village. and RE9 maybe because Rose is new face protagonist. Heroine. Chris Redfield deserve few parts. Someone's gotta pay. You needed Eveline/Rose. Duty calls. The Father's story is now done. Everything show us give us few hints. BSAA Europe hq against Chris Redfield, Rose Winters and maybe a new character with them. But i want a Duke chatagory merchant there. Who help sell and buy items and guide also.

[@evegrim8780]

I was trying to think of a way to say this well put

[@jalenikezeue4114]

Dude if Someone is involved in Human trafficking And illegal experiments That makes them The BadGuy

[@kagetsuki23]

She is a criminal, she knew very well what was Eveline and what she could do and still took the job. In a way, she is like Ada.

[@dayvonlouis5187]

She knowingly worked for an organization transporting an extremely dangerous bioweapon in a world where bio weapons have cause great tragedies and horrors while keeping it secret from her husband the fact that Chris had not have her arrested at the end of 7 is a bigger mystery to me

[@HeYDeVuH]

That's very true and it was interesting that she kept her freedom even after the knowledge that she worked for the connections.

[@SandDragon91]

She made a deal with the BSAA. That's why they don't arrest her. It's even implied Chris was aware of the deal.

[@Angel9thRune]

Honestly, I saw Mia was a villain when I understood that she was helping transport a helpless child, a child that the connections forced to be a bioweapon with their experiments, across the country. The connections neglected the hell out of a child that just wanted to be loved and they forced her to carry a virus that would only cause people to hate her and try to kill her. Yes, I'm aware that she was born with the virus, but it's because they injected the virus in a normal embryo of a soon to be human baby that wanted to live a normal life like everyone else. The connections destroyed precious lives and Mia was A-Ok all throughout it. I ask myself, why tf should I care about Eva when you're okay abusing other kids? Like literally screw Mia. Seriously. The kid did nothing wrong, she didn't even know wtf she was doing. And Mia stood right by and acted as if it was a boring babysitting job. I feel terrible for Evelyn. She was treated as an object and neglected her entire life, and in the end all she's seen as is a horrendous beast and she never even asked for it.

[@mattmedrala1947]

@@Angel9thRune It's kind of amazing how so many fans end up regurgitating stuff that in most other series would be said by the villain. In sci-fi films like Blade Runner, we're supposed to see the people exploiting artificial humans because they're 'not human' as evil. Resident Evil should be no different, since the E-Types are quite literally enslaved human children who have been mutated from birth and enslaved to do evil on behalf of their human masters; it's crazy to just buy at face-value the idea that they shouldn't be considered human because they've been dehumanized.

[@monniemai1592]

@@Angel9thRune I'm confused why everyone says Mia was just a-okay with all the terrible stuff the Connections were doing. Doesn't seem like they're the friendliest employers in the world so I don't doubt Mia could've been seriously endangered for abandoning her roles (wouldn't be great to prioritise yourself over a helpless child but I can't exactly blame her for wanting to avoid a gruesome situation). Do we just assume Mia was cool with the terrorism and abuse because she joined the organisation in the first place?

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

Given that a majority of Mia's past is unknown she could've been an Umbrella Corporation employee who decided to work with The Connection & at some point met Mother Miranda who used Mia body to lure Ethan & Rose to the village. But not before his run in with Eveline & The Baker Family.

[@danielcontreras456]

Maybe? She would have been like 19-20 at the time Umbrella fell though.

[@HeYDeVuH]

Well we know that she was acquainted with Mother Miranda which was shown in that group picture with the connections scientist

[@toshidokii]

she was about 14 during the raccoon city incident so i don't think she could've been in umbrella, maybe an offshoot of it though

[@mattmedrala1947]

It could have been nice if she actually turned out to have been born in Miranda's village, and the fairy tale she tells is an allegory about her own escape from the village. With that backstory, you can imagine her joining bioterror syndicates in order to take them down from the inside...

[@user-zv7jk1gb9l]

One thing that drives me crazy is how Eveline is the one pinned as the monster in both RE7 and RE8. She's a literal child who was made and raised to be a bioweapon, how would she know any better? She's a victim of cruel circumstance and yet even in RE8 Ethan's hallucinating her being nasty and vindictive. And when MIA calls Eveline a "little bitch" in RE7, like SHE wasn't the one playing on Eveline's wishes for a happy family of her own? Like SHE didn't have a hand in creating the monster Eveline became by playing the role of "mom"? That made me impossibly angry. I just don't get why a victim is painted as a monster rather than what she really is: a tragedy.

[@redpanda2760]

I fully agree, how Eveline was treated by Mia and many others was down right cruel. The ONLY character I can give some what of an excuse is Ethen (I say kinda because she's still a god danm child) and that's because Ethan only saw the weapon that Eveline was, not the child. He saw the ugly, the scary, the insane. The traumatic incidents (which was also caused by Mia) most likely caused his brain to look for someone to blame. He probably blamed and villainized Eveline because he saw first hand what she was capable of. But Mia? She spent so much time with Eveline for her to be considered a mother figure. It's even stated that Eveline usually listens TO Mia and was her favorite 'parent' . And for a child that was brought up like Eveline to consider you to be her mother would take lots of trust on the child's part. So having that trust broken would obviously make her upset and that's without mentioning how Mia broke the promise to Eveline that they would be a REAL family. Mia is just another villain that destroyed countless lives including a child that just wanted a mom and dad. A part of me wishes that Mia died in during RE7 and Ethen saved Eveline and gave her what she needed, love.

[@KibbyCat]

I mean IMO eveline is a Villan, but also a victim. as u said, all she wants is a loving family, but the way she goes about it is all twisted. I have always felt bad for her, espessily at her last words at the end.. "why does everyone hate me" It stings.

[@Man-wolf-]

Just hearing her as an old woman sobbing while asking why does everyone hate her is just so-depressing, she was just a little child

[@KibbyCat]

@@ze_doodles1885 I know 👍🏻

[@DeathnoteBB]

Yeah I hate the way RE7 and 8 somehow victim-blame the CHILD _raised_ to be a WEAPON for… being angry, destructive, and hurt she doesn’t have a family. Why do so many titles make the shady organizations committing crimes against humanity the heroes? Meanwhile the poor child they experimented on is seen as the villain for being neglected, abused, and tortured. F.E.A.R does this as well.

[@kaijuguy19]

While I don't think she's a villain I DO think that she's someone that even despite the best intentions she has little to no awareness of what her actions have caused to both herself and others. Like how she constantly calls Evelyn an evil bitch but doesn't seem to remember/aware that she's largely responsible for making Evelyn the way she is. I wouldn't be surprised if in RE9 she may have an arc where she finally looks back and finally sees all the damage she's done and attempt to make legit amends for them but this time done right.

[@user-em6ie2be7x]

I understand Mia couldn't explain all the details about Eveline but to Family taking in a lost (what they assume is a child) would ignore the letter & do the right thing...this is literally the definition of No Good Deed goes Unpunished.

[@Pariahmary]

Tbh Mia paved her own path, with Ethan's memories in Rose, Rose will eventually realize that her own mother is the architect of her life in a very different way than just maternal

[@DirgeMacBee]

I personally loathed mia from watching a friend's playthrough to finally playing it for myself this year. This video makes me more than happy.

[@HeYDeVuH]

Glad you enjoyed the video and Thank You for watching!!!

[@SeraphsGenisis]

Mia's always kinda made me uncomfortable. Her constant manipulation and lies led Ethan into a spiral. His life was over as soon as he got into a relationship with her. I honestly feel bad for Ethan. He should've just called it into the authorities and hoped that the BSAA could've solved it from there. Never deserved the fate he got. :( It also kinda rubs me the wrong way that Ethan never shows any concern or dismay with how Mia was treating him in re8.

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah a lot of things Mia did could've been handled in a different way and I think it just makes Ethan's character better, showing him to be very forgiving, even to a fault. I do hope that they'll bring Mia back in Resident Evil 9 and give her an arc that could redeem her character completely

[@ClockworkGearhead]

Yeah, it's a modern expectation that men bear abuse from women with a shrug. It needs to go.

[@KurtisC93]

@@HeYDeVuH Mia will _absolutely_ feature in Resident Evil IX - that's a given. Her story is central to the Connections arc that Capcom has been building up since they developed REVII.

[@Hanna-xu2yv]

@@ClockworkGearhead lmao

[@ziabuenacosa5369]

Wasnt "Mia" mother miranda in disguise at the start of the game? Also if you meant abt the mini quarrel cutscene somewhere there, isnt it normal for a couple to fight sometimes- also mia has her own personal emotional issues too, so she must be so scared to tell ethan the truth due to the thought of her breaking the family and making it worse for the 3 of them. But i will say, since she became part of the problem, she has a fault but is not mainly to be blamed on for me atleast. She is not a villain, but a misguided victim who was traumatized by the events (and consequences of her decisions by entering the said shady company)

[@KillingOnAdrenaline]

One of the things that pissed me off the most about Village is the fact that Mia lived and Ethan died (for good). He always struck me as the "genuinely good, everyday man" in the wrong-place, wrong-time kind of scenario. Whereas Mia was legitimately one of the instrumental forces in the shit that he got caught up in and ended up killing him. It was mentioned before, but at least if I found out that my partner was involved in all this bio-terrorism, and trafficking stuff I wouldn't have stayed with them. I guess some people are able to overlook anything for love. I also don't really agree that Mia truly loved Ethan because it seems like from the very beginning, their relationship was built upon a lie, with Mia always being shady and not telling the truth about what she really did as a "job". You don't keep shit like that from someone you love.

[@user.LCW01]

I think she loved him to an extent. He was just some ordinary guy, not connected to any of the mess she worked with on the daily. She probably liked him and his stability, and wanted a kind of 'normal' life like separate from her work. But in doing so, she only ended up putting Ethan in grave danger until he just died. I think Ethan still stayed with her in Village because out of most people, she could understand what he saw and his trauma the best. But also cause she still kept lying to him, and he still believed her because he loved her.

[@mattmedrala1947]

If anything, I'm more pissed that Ethan ended up getting sidelined by Chris and the narrative essentially rewarding Chris with Ethan's daughter. Chris didn't need to be playable, and if Capcom had any guts they should have killed him off at the end - but then again they already squandered that opportunity back in 6, so of course they wouldn't dare to do it now...

[@KillingOnAdrenaline]

@@mattmedrala1947 I never really thought about this until your comment but I think you're right about Chris and especially with the section where you play as him he kind of steals the credit and makes the story more about him. Or at least makes him out to be one of the main focus or driving force of the plot when it really is Ethan. I know RE 7-9 are supposed to be designed as a "trilogy" or sorts and tells one cohesive story through the 3 games so I guess it was expected that Ethan would meet his demise at some point. I think he's been one of the most interesting characters the series has had in a long while even though we really don't know a whole lot about his back story. I hope they delve into that more in RE 9, or maybe he'll make a return in some form. But Chris is a staple in the series and there was no way they were going to get rid of him even though he really has overstayed his welcome at this point.

[@Monty2289]

Ironically it was death that likely saved Ethan. And no I'm not saying Mia is great but his altercation with Mia. After Jack finds him and mudstomps him he dies. Effectively destroying any chance the mold could do anything with his body including using him as a puppet. Something miraculous happened. The mold replicated his faculties down to his genetic material - if Rose's existence is anything to go by - this mold man made sperm. Anyways. It allowed him to survive 7 and 8. Though he starts seeing Evie due to her control over the mold he's never taken. And no further interactions with the infected in 8 does nothing to him. Sadly if it wasn't for Ethan losing his heart his body wouldn't have started deterioriating. Another thing his Ethan's will. His body still reacts in the same way he would if he weren't a mutant. His will and interaction with the mold is facinating because no amount of trauma causes him to alter his biology in order to fight back

[@mattmedrala1947]

@@KillingOnAdrenaline Chris really didn't need to be in 8 at all, especially in a weak rehash of his 'dark arc' from 6. Could have been nice if we had another veteran character like Jill take his role. Chris being represented as an unstoppable badass who's rewarded with the big hero moment and the role of father while the everyman sacrifices himself leaves a bad taste for me; might have been more poignant if Chris were to sacrifice himself instead and Ethan continue on into RE9. Of course, I bet RE9 will be a rehash of Silent Hill 3 in the way RE9 imitated SH1. Just not really hyped about the way they've handled it.

[@igmz777]

She's definitely a villain due to her actions in the game; she transported a bioweapon, contributing to the already out of control bioterrorism around the world. Then during 8, she kept the big secret about Ethan up until the last minute since her kid was in danger, thus ending Ethan. (Based on some other videos breaking down the ending scene on 8, Ethan's probably alive?)

[@YingofDarkness]

Can you name some of the creators of those videos? I'm curious as the ending seems pretty cut and dry about Ethan's fate

[@igmz777]

@@YingofDarkness Skip to the 4:00 mark: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2LIfpSppr5ric0 It's brought about uncertainty to Ethan's fate.

[@HeYDeVuH]

It was hinted at the end that Ethan was alive, so I hope we get an explanation to this in the next game.

[@mrx-od3ji]

@@igmz777 eveline was was the villain not mia winters eveline got in mias head made her not act like herself.

[@starhammer5247]

@@mrx-od3ji She also got into Zoe's but she's doing fine. Eveline is only like this because of Mia and Mia knew what she was gonna do, that was kill hundreds of innocent people.

[@coolshah1662]

The true victim of this story is Eveline, a child created to be used and abused by the likes of people like Mia. I felt so sorry for her. Mia is fucking evil, and no one can change my mind about it. The fact that all this was just brushed aside in The Village is criminal!

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah Eveline had it pretty rough, even the pictures during her creation shows her like a lab rat trapped behind glass walls

[@coolshah1662]

@@HeYDeVuH They just brushed horrifying child abuse under the rug, and it infuriated me.

[@ziabuenacosa5369]

Wasnt Mia only tasked to guard eveline by the corporation she works with? And to me, based on how secret companies wanting to make bio weapons do, there will be dire consequences on mia if she doesnt do what she told and she wont be the only person going down with it. So i wont say this isnt entieely mia's fault, but is held accountable in some parts, she too is a victim, but not a villain tha is ill willed. I honestly tell her genuinity (if that is even a word. I apologize for my english its not my 1st language skdusks)

[@ziabuenacosa5369]

@@coolshah1662 Also its resident evil, what did we expect?-

[@mrcocoloco7200]

@@ziabuenacosa5369 Yeah true.

[@AdamMichalMarkowski]

Seeing how Mia was a part of organization that manufactured biological weapons I am kinda suprised that Chris and co. were ok with her pretty much dodging any consequences of her actions. I mean sure she went through a lot in RE7, but overall it was pretty much outcome of her own actions rather then just punishment for willing participation in illegal crime organization

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah it's interesting that she didn't have to spend any time behind bars for her role within the connections

[@mattmedrala1947]

It'd have made sense if Mia was meant to be a mole or deep-cover agent, infiltrating bioterror organizations while leaking information back to the BSAA. But I think that interpretation would be giving her much more agency and intrigue than Capcom ever care to give to female characters.

[@quantumfate8528]

Honestly I really wish RE:Village had gone more into the Connections and Mia’s past.

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yes that would've been great if they did do that, though they did say that this will be a trilogy so maybe in RE9 we'll get the chance to see more into Mia's past

[@bklynsuperstar718]

We are getting DLC for village so hopefully Mia's back story is explained more in depth. One can hope anyway.

[@caroltimpu6588]

@@HeYDeVuH in my opinion i belive that in resident evil 9 ethan would break up and only he will be left with rose

[@LouisSaver2012]

I think Mia and Chris are both responsible for the events in Village, but for RE7 it's mostly Mia.

[@HeYDeVuH]

Chris should've handled the situation better, even one of his Hound Wolf Squad Member pointed this out to him and told him that he should've told Ethan the plan from the start.

[@oceanman7652]

Yeah, he wasn’t the best at handling that… but then Mia had the audacity to get mad with Chris for how the things ended when she is just as guilty or even more. That’s what makes me dislike her even more, that she doesn’t own up to what she’s done and did not do. Chris is jaded and paranoid by all the things that have happened to him, he was just doing what he thought was the best thing, not trying to deny everything that happened like Mia.

[@LouisSaver2012]

We could have RE9: Daddy issues, where Mia is married again to a man that Rose hates, she rebels against Mia and there are some grave conflicts between Rose and her. Then we have the complete villain story arc of Mia: from terrible girlfriend to terrible wife, then eventually terrible mother.

[@marksantiago9841]

They are supposed to make chris have a “dark side” but with redemption but it ended up with chris just flopping this whole deal. In my eyes, chris is irredeemable. His actions in the beginning wasnt justified well. I think the writers messed up with that one.

[@mattmedrala1947]

@@marksantiago9841 I'm pretty certain they originally wanted to kill Mia off in the opening to show that Chris' hatred of bioterrorists had gone too far, but at the last minute they came up with this idiotic "the main villain was pretending to be her" idea and it just makes everyone involved seem dumber. Then again, there's art of Miranda operating on a creature that looks like Chris, so they might have been recycling that stupid Ada doppelganger plot from RE6.

[@judgmentallemon2771]

I just wanted to say that I was so incredibly pissed off by the ending of Village, how Mia just showed up, virtually un-harmed, and was able to walk away with her baby, while Ethan had to suffer literally all the consequences of her actions. I disliked Mia from the beginning, but Village just made me hate her. I never felt a shred of sympathy for her. I felt more sympathy for Eveline, because she was at least a true victim, and had every right to be angry for what was done to her. And the poor Bakers! WTF Mia.

[@ismaelgingles9409]

Screw you 🤬🤬 I love mia winters and for the record she didn't escape un harmed she said Miranda did tests and experiments on her and took her from her family and in re7 she saved Ethan from Eveline on the ship and was trying to set things right. I forgive mia because she is my wife obviously 🙄 and she didn't tell Ethan he died and was turned in to mold because she said her self she didn't want to lose her husband and daughter and on top of that if Ethan wasn't infected by the mold then he wouldn't have survived getting his heart ripped out by Miranda so in a way mia saved Ethan. They are my favorite couple 💑 and playing as mia was really fun seeing what was happening from her perspective but I love mia she was a victim just the bakers and Eveline the connections are the real villains because they were the ones testing on the molded in the first place. Its ok mia winters I love you and me and Ethan will always come to save you 🤍❤🤍

[@yunus3848]

@@ismaelgingles9409ur insane get some help

[@TheDreadedShredder]

I never understood why the player was supposed want to save Mia, she wasn't particularly likable and did a lot of shady stuff. 7 never held my attention enough to get to the 'Cure Mia or Zoe' choice but if I do ever play it that far, I'd pick Zoe every time.

[@YingofDarkness]

Honestly, same. Most people seem to only pick her because she is the reason Ethan is there to begin with, but eff that. She is working alongside a bioterroist organization that is hellbent on destroying the planet and doing a bunch of shady shit and I'm supposed to save her because she is my wife? Yeah no. I can marry again. It's fine

[@HeYDeVuH]

A lot of people chose to cure Zoe because she actually helped Ethan during his journey in RE7, Mia on the other hand did not have a very welcoming intro to her character especially when she kept on attacking Ethan

[@TheDreadedShredder]

@@HeYDeVuH Exactly! That coupled with her not telling Ethan about his mold infection in Village, being very ambiguous & secretive. I know she's supposed to be on the side of good, but I just never cared for her personally. She was too shady for me to really get invested in. Great content as usual DeVuH!

[@mongooseunleashed]

It also didn't make sense why Mia could be cured but Zoe couldn't. Mia displayed all the deep infection symptoms from the mold. Zoe didn't show any symptoms. Yet, Eveline can instantly kill her but not Mia.

[@TheDreadedShredder]

@@mongooseunleashed Yeah, there are a ton of plot holes, but RE has never been too great at continuity beyond the original trilogy.

[@jamth118]

Totally agree she knew about Evelyn and was trusted to transport such a bio weapon shows she had a lot of knowledge about bio weapons and likely held a high up position in the connextions

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah she definitely knew what Eveline's powers were capable of. So the ramifications that happened at the Baker Residence was only a small sample size and shows how devastating she can be.

I think that the start before she was “stranded” at the baker’s family home, she was a villain. She would have probably been the kind of villain that Chris; Leon; Claire; Sherry; Jake; etc would have eventually killed. But i think she had a complete change if heart during and after the Baker Incident. But because she now had a “normal life” with a loving husband and in RE8 a daughter, she did not know what would’ve happened had she told Ethan that he was already dead & actually a mold person. Knowing he was just like the Bakers and Eveline. His mental state could have completely collapsed. He might even have unwillingly transformed due to the shock or trauma or fear, since in RE games, THAT is 1 of the catalysts for transformations. I think that she wanted to protect Ethan and her family and shows how much she cares about Ethan & her family. Shows that she is a flawed but true human being. Is she a villain because of the secrets she withheld from Ethan? No, I do not think so. Is she a protagonist? No, she’s more like a supporting actor than an actual main character, and used to psychologically manipulate Ethan who blindly loved her. That said: I do wonder though. How and why was made into Ethan a mold being? And is Mia also a mold being? If not, than why is Ethan one and she isn’t? Is Rose a “hybrid”, partially mold and partially human? Also: If Rose is the new host of the Megamycete (or living embodiment of it), how does every person that died because of the mold & all, affect Rose and affect Ethan as well? 🤔 Was Ethan (his personality) truly still the person he was before he died & got turned into a mold creature? And did Ethan truly look the way he did to others? I mean: We all know that the mind can cause your perception of yourself to be different than how others see you (as seen with a LOT of eating disorders and such). So what if his appearance was the way he was for the player and all because he perceived himself to be Ethan, but if he perceived himself to be a mold creature, he’d look different to everyone? Also: Ethan being a mold creature does raise another question. Alcina Dimitrescu tasted Ethan’s blood and we have seen a lot of Ethan’s blood. But being a mold creature does not make you bleed (though than again, Jack Baker & Marguerite could both still bleed in their human forms. 🤔). And even if, shouldn’t Alcina have tasted that his blood was full of the mold? 🤔

[@shakirashipslied9721]

I think Alcina did taste it. She makes a comment about the blood being stale as I remember.

[@antonfowler6582]

Ethan was killed by jack baker in the opening episode of 7 they put him in a tub to become one of the mold mutants but he rose as himself

[@procow2274]

The way i understand it mia WAS mold person but the injection in 7 made her human again

[@KurtisC93]

Capcom is creating a multi-game storyline around the Winters family, the Connections, and the mutamycete. Biohazard and Village are only the first two entries in this arc; they're waiting until a later game before pulling the curtain back on Mia, her background, and her history with the Connections. She's neither a hero nor a villain at this point, despite knowingly working for the villains. It remains to be seen if she did so entirely of her own volition, and what her motivations were. She is possibly the biggest unsolved mystery of the series as of this time. Really looking forward to seeing what Capcom does with her character in future entries.

[@HeYDeVuH]

You made many great points and same as you I do hope we get to see more of Mia's Background and how that affects the future story in the next game.

[@mattmedrala1947]

Something about Mia strikes me as having her play a similar role to Ada - being a deep cover agent whose true goal is to infiltrate the upper echelons of the bioterrorist networks and root out their leaders. Doing pretty messed up things all to curry the favor of people she plans to betray for a 'greater good'. The problem is that unlike Ada, we haven't had nearly as much insight into her motivations even when we do get to play as her, to the detriment of her character. It's easy to interpret her as a selfish monster when Capcom pointedly refuses to have her explain anything about her true thoughts.

[@whomatt]

it's kinda funny seeing the creepy scenes in different perspectives. Mia was such an interesting character and im very curious where her story will go in the future

[@emulation2369]

(Chris grabs his gun with violent intentions)

[@MikeScott55]

For me it always falls down to that same ridiculous trope used in television and film summed up in the same stupid sentence every single time: “I did it to protect you” when someone lies to someone else. Even though telling the truth saves characters from resentment and sometimes death, these morons always lie as a protective measure when it does nothing of the sort. Mia is just another one of these selfish moron characters who could have told the truth to save Ethan or at the very least made him aware of the truth before he had to die to learn it. SMH.

[@shroomshroom5945]

The lies are never to protect the person being lied to, it's only ever to protect the liar.

[@BigBobsh2o]

What I don't get is how Chris's team/group didn't think to extensively test Ethan and find out themselves that he was a mold being. You would think they would have probed and tested him extensively for infection.

[@HeYDeVuH]

You've made a great point there, I do hope they explore more into this topic in the next game

[@marksantiago9841]

The “bad chris” side wasnt written well. His actions in the beginning wasnt justified well later in the story. Ethan’s death is 100% on him because of the ridiculous way of him handling the situation.

[@wyattbarnett3877]

@@marksantiago9841 maybe something was happening in BSSA or blue umbrella that stressed him out alot or something

[@Monty2289]

Huge oversite but I'd like to think that mold did a pretty great job. Ethan could still procreate. Chances are beyond seeing that he's been infected - which is obvious - theere was no no sign of further mutation so they concluded he was okay as long as he and Mia were monitored closely.

[@fosminclorin]

Maybe in Resident Evil 9 there's a scene where Rose blames Mia for Ethan's death and just calls her out

[@PredaConvoy]

Regarding the "stay away" video message - Ethan never received that, as the ship and laptop were wrecked before she could send it. He gets an email from infected Mia/Evie saying "come get me". And working for an agency like the Connections, Mia would have had to have signed an NDA/secrets act, so she had to lie to him about her work. Doesn't make her a villain, but she was working for bad people.

[@g-money9009]

People don't realize that she was working with Miranda and the scientists who made Eve.

[@topaz4692]

Bruh Mia messed up Ethan’s whole life, she lied to him multiple times constantly, about her occupation, Ethan being a mold being and originally dying in RE7, their daughter rose being a mold hybrid etc, she literally cost Ethan his life because of her lie’s, it’s so shit he had to die

[@gaelofariandel6747]

Re sident Evil 7 &8 show Ethan's true character. If you met him as a stranger, let's be honest: you'd NEVER guess his loyalty & determination. What's more, most of us would have given up shortly into RE7. But Ethan stuck to his vows as a husband & responsibilities as a father to the very end--even if it meant his death.

[@thedredayshow9246]

"Everything seems to be in order" *Shows Mia, Rose, and HEADLESS ETHAN* Such a normal, wholesome family.

[@sarahsault6494]

I think Mia was unbalanced before Umbrella. 1st clue is the walls in her message-her cell is padded-something houses would not have (there might be a secret room to keep someone out of the way, but not padded). Also-in the epilogue of Village, baby girl ran away at 16. Again. Yet it's a government agency above FBI getting her. Where is she?

[@lesteryaytrippy7282]

All I can say is that Mia's involvement should've been depicted. She held a lot of important info, but the writing didn't allow that for her.

[@bluewolf6323]

One thing that could've happened really is that as soon as Mia found love, she should've known that what she was doing was fucked and stopped it or at least made an attempt to think, 'Oh, what i'm doing is wrong, I should fix this' Instead, she literally continued her work while married and never once shows remorse for it. She's happily sending Ethan videos of her and saying I love you yet she doesn't realize what she is risking. She literally put Ethan in danger because she *willingly* continued her *dangerous ass job* of BOWs. It sucks even more because now, she put her whole ass child in danger, knowing about Ethan and her past. Rose became a target and she still went through it, thinkin she could be a normal wife with a kid. What really makes me sad is, in Re8, we really see how fucked Ethan and Mia's relationship is, when Ethan did not question one time about Mia's behavior even tho it was Miranda. If you really think about, Miranda is a crazy bitch who's cruel and even started the whole mess of Resident Evil, yet Ethan saw no suspicion or questioned the fact that his wife may not be his wife? I find that so disturbing and sad. Ethan is trapped in this relationship because Mia decided it'll be fine to start a family while having done shady shit.

[@kman215]

I always love when they show a full body shot of Ethan and he's headless

[@bellaknightR597]

Why aren't we allowed to know what he looks like?

[@izzyalistair]

There's still stuff we don't know about Mia, good on Capcom for keeping some stuff under wraps for RE9

[@HeYDeVuH]

That's true and I hope they delve more into her story and give her a great story arc

[@ebesonen]

Both Ethan and Mia went through hell in both Resident Evil 7 and Village, after all they have been through Mia still had a lot of secrets she never told Ethan, I do get why she never told him these secrets but i don't forgive her for not telling him any of them at all, if Mia had told Ethan any of the secrets she still had it could have changed his ultimate fate he had in the village, Ethan could still be alive and still be able to save his daughter Rosemary from Mother Miranda and be a complete family again, but Mia didn't tell Ethan any of them and he ultimately had to die in order to save his own baby girl Rosemary from Mother Miranda, i really believe that it's Mia's fault that Ethan had to die in the village, despite how many times she said she loved him in both Resident Evil 7 and Village, she did many terrible things in her life and never told Ethan about any of them, so yeah I don't think Mia is a great person at all, if she really wanted to save Ethan she could have but didn't choose to, thanks for reminding me on why Mia Winters can be seen as a real villain HeY DeVuH, you did a good job here and I do look forward to whatever is next ✌️

[@HeYDeVuH]

Thank you so Much and you're absolutely right. I think if she communicated better with Ethan that would've been a good start for them to turn a new leaf. Unfortunately all the secrets caught up with Mia and in the end caused Ethan to sacrifice his life for his family.

[@Mia-dt3gl]

No duh Mia’s the villain. People tend to forget just how much she was responsible for the events in RE7 because of the fact that Ethan doesn’t see her as a villain. But no, let’s blame Eveline for everything! The bio-weapon who acted EXACTLY how she was created to act!

[@crazyshark9518]

I've only watched some of re7 and re8 on youtube, but from what I've seen I can tell that even If she is not a considered "villain" by most peoples definition of the word, she is still a selfish terrible person that Ethan was far to good for.

[@user-rw8pk1jo6e]

Mia is similar to Ada Wong as both work in companies that make bio-weapon but story make Mia look evil and Ada look antihero.

[@HeYDeVuH]

That's very well said, these two character definitely treaded between a fine line.

[@rachelcarter9455]

I think that's because Ada didn't claim to be anything except a spy. She was never there to be your partner unless it was of interest to her. While Mia claimed to be a loving wife and mother but she lied/concealed things all the time.

[@mattmedrala1947]

@@rachelcarter9455 It also helps that we have more insight into Ada's motivations when we play as her. Mia remains mysterious even when she's playable.

[@GingerZombie29]

Two things bug me the most. 1. Why didn't Chris tell Ethan that wasn't Mia, after shooting her? 2. Why did Chris take Rose?

[@HeYDeVuH]

You're absolutely right, even his own member from Hound wolf squad mentioned this exact concern on why Ethan was left in the dark

[@CruzHackett]

Chris doesn't want Ethan to disturb his mission i guess,he may try to save Mia wirh his squad without Ethan

[@Zeroshiki]

Mia's mindset was that keeping it a secret would protect Ethan from Umbrella and The Connections. Instead, she underestimated his loyalty and strength of will and he ended up involved anyway, coming to save her. Her first words when he wakes her up are _"You aren't supposed to be here"_ and she denies sending him the message, which she didn't. I believe Eveline did, or forced Mia to do it. She didn't expect and really didn't want him coming out there, but keeping it a secret backfired worse because he wasn't prepared for what he found there. She's just lucky that Ethan had an immunity and died when he did, becoming a mold monster, because she wouldn't have made it out of that situation, both times, without him. She didn't want to tell him that, either, and didn't want to face her trauma from the container ship and the Baker House, so she refused to talk about it and got defensive every time Ethan brought it up. She didn't want to admit to herself that she was living with and had a child with a dead man, either. She loved him and didn't want to lose him to it. I know for a fact that she felt that everything was her fault. Everyone deals with things differently and she just didn't want to admit it out loud, to herself or Ethan, and wasn't really able to communicate what she felt without just shutting down. I can relate. I don't dislike Mia at all and I don't think she's a bad person, I think she just made some really bad choices. She really loved her family, but she struggled a lot in silence, especially after RE7. I do have to wonder what her relationship with Rose is like, because Ethan personally documented the truth. I hope they flesh that out.

[@mistingwolf]

I'm just wondering when Mother Miranda replaced Mia? Especially since she goes on and on about Rose being hers, is Rose actually Ethan and Miranda's daughter and not Mia's at all? It would help to explain how Rose sapped some of Miranda's powers; Mia was infected with the mold too, but I don't think it would have been as strong a strain if Rose had been Ethan and Mia's daughter. edited for some clarifications

[@rithloveyou9737]

Bro thats disgusting miranda is 100+ old😂

[@IBeMelissa]

I got confused about that as well, like was Miranda disguised as Mia when they conceived Rose? Miranda was talking about Rose like she actually was her child and I thought that would be the twist like she used Ethan to have a new child. Also would deffo explain better how Rose is as powerful as she is.

[@user.LCW01]

From the notes in Miranda's lab, I just kinda figured she found out about Rose's existence like a few weeks before she took Mia and then turned into her. I don't think she conceived Rose or anything of the sort, cause the notes said something about like The Connections informing her about the Winters and Rose.

[@chantellavigne2992]

That's what I was thinking two because both of rose's parents have brown hair and rose has blonde hair

[@Leylj]

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[@lynxfang3352]

I can't wait to see them do "the daughter's story" and "the mother's story" I'd love to see a prequel where we played as Mia back in her time with The Connections and set up their wedding. It would give her a bit more depth and also give us a chance to see more from her perspective

[@HeYDeVuH]

That'd be cool to explore Mia's background prior to RE7

[@mattmedrala1947]

I seriously doubt Capcom would ever do that - their handling of female characters in the mainline series has frankly been pretty dire. It's most likely Chris will be the protagonist for 9, Mia will be forgotten, and Rose will be a damsel in distress who gets a few token moments of 'empowerment'.

[@padraigfitton699]

I wouldn't say shes a villian but she was the cause of the mess that Ethan went through.

[@HeYDeVuH]

That's fair and you're right that she made things really bad for Ethan

[@bellaknightR597]

So a Villain?

[@loveniagill8714]

I have a thought, what if Rose is not Mia and Ethan's daughter. What if she is Miranda's and Ethan's daughter. We don't know how long Miranda had been living as Mia. Rose could definitely be their child.

[@HeYDeVuH]

That'd be an interesting plot twist.

[@Fatigue023]

Then how did the real Mia know of Rose's existance

[@loveniagill8714]

Miranda still could have told her. I don't doubt that she would be going back and forth to her castle

[@antonfowler6582]

Doesnt work as miranda only went after the winters because she found out about rose and wanted her as the " perfect " host for her dead daughters conscious

[@choerrycola7666]

as interesting as that is I don't think it could happen. in miranda's lab there's a note that explains how miranda knew of rose's existence. basically the connections told her about rose when they came to help her after she found the megamycete, so Mia and Ethan must've had rose already by that point.

[@commoneli]

i really do appreciate these types of videos you make. they make me see the characters in a different light 🥰

[@HeYDeVuH]

Thank you so much and glad you're enjoying my take on these characters.

[@diurtydantv8061]

I know Capcom says they're done with the Winters but I hope in RE9 we get more info about her time with the connections

[@ponderer1315]

Thank you for making this video. It perfectly captured my issues with Mia lol. In truth... Mia's honestly the worst thing to ever happen to Ethan, as she ruined his life even before the death in 8 happened. She knowingly joined up with a group of criminals that are probably more than willing to tie up loose ends... Just by accepting that job, the Connections would keep Ethan in their crosshairs. And any potential competition would also probably try to use Ethan as a bargaining chip to control Mia (like how villains in RE often do.) She basically put a giant target on his back, and did not seem to care about it. Second part, she basically made him pick up his life and move to an entirely different country. That newspaper article heavily implies that Ethan's friends and family all think he and Mia are dead, or at least missing. All because of Mia. Let me put it this way, if I found out that my wife of so many years was lying to me about her job, knowingly and willingly working with a group of criminals, put me into the crosshairs of people that really wouldn't have a problem with killing me, indirectly caused the deaths of multiple people that had the misfortune of being in the wrong place at the wrong time (The Bakers, the Sewer Gators, the other victims in Louisiana that were killed by the Bakers/Molded), SEVERED my hand, put me through what amounts to Hell on earth while being chased by nigh unkillable mold people with super powers, then forced me to essentially have to go into protective custody and leave behind everyone I know and love from my old life... I would probably start boxing her in that swamp, right in front of the BSAA. Marriage is over, she clearly has no respect for me, our marriage or even human life... Or the marriage is there, but I'd resent her probably for a few decades and never let it go. And so help me if I found out she basically turned me into an undead lab experiment that could only produce mold babies... And then lied to me about it AFTER the conception... At that point, I wouldn't be able to be held responsible for what I might do to her. She did not care about how her actions affected the man she supposedly loved, has no regard for human life and refuses to learn from her mistakes... Which got her husband killed twice. But she's the hero because...? Also, Ethan is the Resident Evil world's biggest simp lol. I would have just started smashing Zoe, she treated Ethan better in a single night than Mia did over their entire marriage. But the game punishes you with the bad ending for wanting to help the nice stranger who has been nothing but kind to you over the manipulative woman who essentially ruined your life. I would probably have nothing to do with Mia after RE7 in all honesty if I were Ethan lol. By the way, yes, I would consider her a villain or at least more of a villain than the game is trying to present. She's no different from Annette Birkin, William Birkin, James Marcus and any other random scientists that worked at Umbrella/Tricell. The only difference, if you can call it that, is that our player character has a positive relationship with her and that colors the narrative. Outside of that, she's basically a more affectionate Annette Birkin that didn't die, but not a straight up heroic character like the games are trying to push. She's somewhere between a really selfish anti-hero and an outright villain, but NOT a heroic character like the games are trying to portray.

[@Tuco_Salamanca3]

Yes! This, all of this!

[@livivindle9912]

I agree with most of this.

[@brandonjackson8966]

I really think this how it's going to start on resident evil 9 she might end up becoming the villain and I think Rose is going to hate her mom for that because when she hear the truth she's going to save the same thing you could have told Dad the truth about what's going on all this could have been avoidable and he would have been still alive if you was just being honest

[@Charolette21]

I'm amazed she didn't serve any prison time for working with The Connections, that's the least she deserves.

[@HeYDeVuH]

I'm surprised about that as well, though I guess Chris, the BSAA, or another third party organization saw it wasn't enough to detain her.

[@RK-zh1ib]

My Theory There might be a possibility Mia was recruited by The Connections since childhood as either an orphan or a forgotten child. Being with Ethan gradually changed Mia into a loyal agent to a disillusioned one. She didn’t want to tell Ethan the truth because she genuinely loved the fake family she made. In other words, ignorance is bliss. Also, Mia didn’t tell Chris about Ethan as an undead mold because she is afraid of the BSAA’s paranoia of infected people. I think Rose’s relationship with Mia is strained and Mia might take a prominent role in helping to destroy The Connections. However, there are theories that The Connections already infiltrated or taken over the BSAA. The Connections is well known for their expertise in hiding from their enemies. Albert Wesker might make a return if Capcom decides to. The possible reason why Wesker is African American in the Netflix series might be new Umbrella’s creation of a strong Ndipaya body using dna samples from a Ndipaya king. After making the body, they placed Wesker’s memory engram into the body’s mind which in turn resurrects Wesker. The reason why there is an apocalypse in the RE Netflix show is because Wesker always wanted an apocalypse to create a world where the strong rules. He first tried doing this with Uroborus. Now he is using an improved T-Virus. However, the Netflix series is not canon unless Capcom decides it is canon which I don’t think they will.

[@mattmedrala1947]

I honestly wondered if the opening 'fairy tale' was an allegory for Mia having been born in the village and escaping it as a child. In that vein, I'd also wondered if Elena was supposed to be an 'E-Type' variant and all the villagers were secretly BOW experiments. Both of those interpretations would make for a much more interesting story than what we ended up having.

[@Miss-Magician]

They tried to show us during RE7. That's probably why you have the option to give the serum to Mia or Zoe. They wanted to give the player a chance to assess if Mia was deserving or not after everything she's done. Mind you Zoe being an innocent person whose family is dead/infected at the hands of Mia and her organization losing control over Evelyn. I'd have to say Zoe was more deserving.

[@farfa2937]

I don't know if there's something she could have done differently though. Yes, telling Ethan he was infected would've been nice but I don't think that'd prevent Miranda from kidnapping her. And a criminal organization called The Connections that develops mind controlling bioweapons for a living doesn't sound like a place where you can just say "yo I've a bf now so I'm quitting". I'm not excusing her, but I do wonder if she had any better options available.

[@skydonkey9515]

Honestly if she had just told Ethan the truth things could've turned out differently, I mean for Fucks sake Ethan still stayed with her despite every that happened in RE7 all the way to RE8 smh

[@TheMeloettaful]

@SkyDonkey951 Ethan was a husband who stayed with his wife until death departed him. He really loved her despite all the mess she literally brought with her. On another note even if Ethan did leave her that is A LOT OF BAGGAGE he'd be carrying with him. He wouldn't be able to tell anyone about it let alone to a new significant other 😬. Not to mention him being a mold person, and him not knowing it until much later. So many unfortunate variables in this mess that Mia brought and exposed Ethan to 😷🤕💀. No telling what her relationship with Rose looks like because of all the secrets her mother hid at the start. But at the end of it all Ethan loved them both fiercely enough to die for them.

[@shroomshroom5945]

If Ethan knew, he could have been in less danger because he would know what to expect. He would have a heads up. I think that could have made a world of difference.

[@111455]

yeah, she's evil. but damn, girl really used her ovaries as a petri dish after finding out Ethan was pure mold.

[@mrx-od3ji]

mia is not evil.

[@Monty2289]

@@mrx-od3ji She had intimate dealing with a bioterroist organization. That's pretty evil

[@mikeyfrederick1232]

Ever time I see your new content up in my list I'm like let's goooo lol always super well presented and produced..I really enjoy your interpretation of things sir

[@HeYDeVuH]

Thank You so much and I'm happy that you found the video well presented. These videos take me so long to make so I really appreciate the positive comments on it, it really makes it worth it and to see many enjoy the content.

[@airbo5104]

I think mia was always sus. I chose Zoe to save the first time because from my perspective Zoe was an innocent. Mia on the other hand was the soul reason the mood was there. Even if she was a low tier worker for the connections she still openly worked for trafficking a little girl.

[@AmondoDazz]

Mia was so not worth it. She didn't deserve what she got in seven but lying to my boy Ethan even after he saved you. Tied with Chris not telling him the truth about his "wife" at the time. Ethan didn't deserve any of that.

[@atomic747]

Atleast one of Chris's teammate ragged on him about how they should've told Ethan earlier.

[@MrSasunaru101]

Might have alerted mother maranda

[@k_pufflz]

Okay I’m glad other people think this bc I always felt that Mia was the common thread bad guy between re7&8. Like Mother Miranda is a villain just in the general sense of the word and Evelin’s is a product of her makers but in the story of Ethan Winters Mia is the direct reason he is ever put in these situations. She’s the big, bad executive behind the desk while the Bakers and the Lords are the henchmen doing her bidding (okay not actually that calculating but still Mia made the bad decisions and Ethan paid the price) I just always felt like Mia, even after she was free of all mold and bad evil influences, was still super manipulative and ick. Even if her intentions were to keep her family together it was all so SHE wouldn’t lose them. And let’s not forget she worked for the bad guys, she had a direct hand in making Eveline what she was, she just wasn’t a good person in general and even though she’s not an evil genius I do think she’d be classified as a villain I also thought it was weird that Chris trusted her/left her alive but I wonder if that was out of respect for Ethan bc Mia seems like everything Chris is fighting against

[@lucasin1356]

Mia was an interesting character to me from the begginning. She isn't completaly bad nor good, she is somewhere in the middle to me. I think she truly loved Ethan and for that she lied, she didnt want to lose him, which she most likely would if she had told him the truth. To me she is a good person but just incredibly selfish and her selfish actions resulted into the worst things that happened through out the games and Ethans death (well he died two times which is even worse) I would Love to learn more about her and the Connections in the future and see her relationship with Rose evolve, she is her mother and she loves her but at the same time the reason why Rose will never have a normal life. And Im extramely curious how she will act in the future, the guilt and trauma must change her in some way, especially after Ethan dying

[@shroomshroom5945]

Ennnhhhh Mia was not a good person by any means. Good people aren't biochemical terrorists. She loved Ethan for sure, but she was not a good person at all. Just means she wasn't a total psychopath.

[@Monty2289]

@@shroomshroom5945 Covered in my initial comment. How did they end up in Miranda's backyard? I'm convinced this is because of Mia. Why is Mia safe in Miranda's personal lab just mere feet from the Megamycete? I'm convinced that she sold her own data since she was Evie's caretaker and survived without any outstanding mutation after 3 years of being infected. Additionally having a mold baby. Mia could have been in that bunker for weeks but she had food and a place to sleep. She was being harbored there

[@cabby26]

“Everything seemed to be in order.” As camera pans to show Ethan with no head. Haha

[@HeYDeVuH]

The headless Ethan was interesting to see lol

[@cabby26]

@@HeYDeVuH it really was. I laugh every time I see it.

[@jttank5578]

THANK YOU finally someone has the balls to say what I have been thinking for years. She is a villain since she clearly after one stage, has decided to terroize Ethan either mentally or physically. The fact that Ethan puts up with her bullshit for so long shocks me

[@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven]

I have the same reaction when they introduce Redfield in RE7

[@HeYDeVuH]

same here lol, at first I thought it was some distant relative but then to see the Credits and the DLC afterwards debunked that. Glad that they returned his normal face back in RE Village

[@natethebesttt]

When Mia closes the door on Ethan you can see Evelyn looming over Mia in the dirty porthole window

[@HeYDeVuH]

You're right and I saw that as well, I loved that small detail. It's really haunting to see Eveline just looming in the background, acting as an overseer to those she's infected with the Mold Strain

[@thatsentertainment5602]

Your sypnosis are amazing and helping people understand even more of the backstories with the characters!

[@loveniagill8714]

She is the absolute worst. She kept her entire life a secret from Ethan. Even after what happened in 7 she could have come clean, but she still chose to leave him in the dark. This whole situation is her fault. And then when things really went to hell in a hand basket, she decides to tell Chris?! I hate how she tries to play the victim. They did a great job at creating her character because I seriously can't stand Mia.

[@chantellavigne2992]

And ethan could of had life with daughter his and watch her grow up but mia had to get him kill in resident evil 7 by the Baker's and in rose's dlc she says that she hasn't seen her mother in awhile

[@ismaelgingles9409]

I love mia winters in both re7 and re8 her character is mysterious to me and on top of that the mold in Ethans body is the reason he was able to survive getting his heart rid out so in a way mia and Ethan being infected with the mold actually saved them. If anyone is the villain it's chris for not telling Ethan the plan kidnapping his daughter and shooting his wife and then he has the nerve to say stay out of our way dude 🙄 your the reason Ethan and his family are in the village in the first place 🙄 so in my eyes chris is the bad guy.

[@damienkrawczuk1435]

Well you've given me stuff to think on that's for sure, personally my thoughts from the start Mia is deceptive, manipulative, and downright insidious using Ethan at any chance she could, even when she was faking decency, she never had it, even on my very first playthrough of Resi 7, I dispised her deceptiveness from the beginning, I couldn't really like her from the start, I didn't trust her for 1 second, but from a story telling perspective it worked, I wanted to know just how much her sadism sunk, and the more I think on it out of all the Terrifying creatures in the franchise she's definitely the most wicked, there's a degree of twisted n sad beauty to every creature, but I couldn't feel it with Mia, Mia is deceptiveness incarnate and I kinda wonder when Chris heads to the BSAA branch in Europe to see what's going down after RE:Village, I still think it's all an Act on Mia's part playing that innocent card, so The Organisation/connections, can track Chris to see what he's up too, I wouldn't be surprised if she's actually 2nd in command of The Organisation/Connections trying to get into Chris's head to make him feel guilty, which would make Chris vulnerable to her manipulative personality maybe they'll be an Epic faceoff, with Rose going all Carrie 2.0 against her bat nutty mum, I honestly have no idea but you've got my brain thinking on it now, gosh I love these vids you do Mr Hay Duvah, you've got the cogs in my head turning overtime 😎👍

[@HeYDeVuH]

You're very welcome and glad I can help. Also you made many great points, especially with the one having Chris become vulnerable to the connection. Because I really do want to see how this all plays out In the end, because there is no way the connections would let Mia be free after what happened with Eveline.

[@natethebesttt]

Already know the story but knew this would be a good one. Great video!! I really appreciate how much the sewer gators part is an homage to The Blair Witch Project

[@HeYDeVuH]

Thank you so much and yes for sure, I can see the similarities to the Blair Witch as well. It was sad that they had to go through that, especially Clancy, because the Baker really made his final days the absolute worst

[@JB0523]

I wish there was an ending where Ethan and Zoe got out together and started a relationship. Mia is about as trustworthy as forked-tongue snake. Never liked her 😑

[@scoe3000]

🐍 vibes!!! Even without the connections or mold!

[@Duhgel]

Agreed

[@HeYDeVuH]

That could've been an interesting story point to play out.

[@yu-bj1he]

Zoe was best girl 😔

[@JB0523]

@@HeYDeVuH that would make a great ‘What If’ video 🤔

[@Xehanort10]

Before Miranda kidnapped and impersonated her Mia would have been dealing with what happened in Dulvey but after that it was Miranda avoiding the subject because she didn't know what happened and didn't want to blow her cover.

[@teraomi]

Some good insights here. Loving the character breakdowns.

[@HeYDeVuH]

Thank You and glad you enjoyed the breakdowns of these characters, there is so much detail that goes into these and I love delving into their backstory.

[@hurykanejw]

How many people chose Zoe at the end??🤣🤣🤣 mia you cut my ✋ off I'm not choosing you 🤣🤣

[@HeYDeVuH]

I actually Chose Zoe my first playthrough and as you said, the whole cutting the hand off, the attacking with a knife, and the craziness of Mia's Mold personality was a large part as to why I chose Zoe.

[@giovahnnigucci409]

Omg! Where do you find these extra lore stories to our fav characters? You’re awesome and thank you for all the work you put into these videos. 😊

[@Rob-bv6ew]

THanks for doing this, I enjoyed learning from it.

[@noheroespublishing1907]

Let's be real, Mia is in the same lane as a character like Nikolai, a stooge working for an underground corporate weapons industry. Evelyne is more of a tragic villain, who, really isn't evil at heart, just a lonely and love starved child who is doomed to be what she is, born into an incurable and unloved state, a product and nothing more. It's actually a fascinating dynamic, because I never could bring myself to hate Evelyne, but Mia was always so suspect and I found her untrustworthy.

[@alannsalgado1286]

As a person named Alann this scared me

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah, Alan in the game went out in a terrible way.

[@SnakeandBake1]

It would be nice if Rose is the one to end Mia seeing as Mia is kind of the reason that Ethan is dead hopefully RE9 will kill off Mia in a way she deserves

[@paulywilliamsii7211]

I think that in re8 they should have made the ending different because of what you find out mia did to Ethan and especially rose

[@KimsWeirdChannel]

I honestly never could get myself to like Mia.

[@jaymeans8299]

In re8 its Miranda in Mias place and the crazy part is we don't know when they switch and don't forget eveline was using mia to get ethan to come so villain is s stretch

[@dannyd4339]

Anyone else notice how Trish in DMC 5 is just a reskin of Mia?

[@CountessD]

Not a villain but a bad wife. Her choices were her own and she’s very little different than any other evil lackey. But after a life built on lies there was no way Ethan and Mia’s relationship would have survived. Narrative killed Ethan tho, so we didn’t have to see the messy result.

[@Bzuhl]

"live their life as a normal family" over the footage of the headless husk carrying the baby

[@rjdiggs738]

I’m not gonna lie, in my first play through. I chose to save the bakers daughter because she helped me get through the house alive whereas Mia was no longer in her right mind therefore I left her behind.

[@batzgameguru]

Love these long vids

[@HeYDeVuH]

Happy to hear you're liking the longer format of the videos, they take me an extremely long time to make so it's very nice to hear that people enjoy it. Thank You very much :)

[@batzgameguru]

@@HeYDeVuH I found your channel recently and have been liking your vids, keep up the good work! Subbed!

[@jayzgaming0097]

I absolutely love the resident evil franchise as a whole, the lore and the complexity of the story re2 remake been my 1st game n I was completely hooked

[@HeYDeVuH]

Yeah it's great to see how much lore this franchise has. It's fun to explore all the small details that really flesh out the characters.

[@zayn1172]

good video keep up

[@HeYDeVuH]

Thank you very much!!!

[@jorgeperez3227]

I love hearing your choice of music during this video. I heard hints of dino crisis two

[@Ximeao_Melanida]

Pretty sure she's gonna return in RE9 as an antagonist. It is a safe bet to say that she's as molded as Ethan, just mimicrying as human. I also think she became pregnant intentionally to make up for the death of Eveline and then planned to give child to the Connections. Connections probably leaked the info to Miranda in the 1st place. Even Chris' Wolfhound squad wondered who leaked the info on Winters location. And Mia's being alive in Miranda's lab was suspicious as hell.

[@grimlord3181]

Nah, they said the Winters story is done.