Why Millennials aren't Getting more Conservative as they Get Older

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Conventional wisdom suggests that as you get older you get more conservative - it happened to our parents and grand parents. However, new data about millennial suggests that they're actually getting less Conservative, which is a big issue for the Tories..
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[@Zhaobowen]

In the US, the conservative answer to this issue was to suggest that young people not be allowed to vote.

[@MiserableMuon]

If America nukes their younger population to conserve their conservativism, then I won't be surprised.

[@Zhaobowen]

@@MiserableMuon They'll only succeed in pushing us further left, and age gates only work for so long.

[@TAWD7890]

Yes. Fox news (news 🤣) reported that single women are nearly 70% Democratic voters, whereas maried women are more equally split. So the Foxnews anchor (his name eludes me) suggested that single women need to get married asap and they would start voting 'correctly' and be "a lot happier" as well. 🙈

[@ErikUden]

Precisely. Conservatives be actively taking away women's rights and only focus on winning anti-trans culture wars and then wonder why the most accepting and tolerant generation hates them.

[@ErikUden]

@@TAWD7890 Tucker Carlson, that demon.

[@tonydai782]

Who could’ve guessed that the generation most screwed by the system have turned against it?

[@johnbehan1526]

This is the rub. It's not about left/right economic politics. It's about populism and political reaction to your circumstances. If you're looking back at the last sixty years as someone generationally disadvantaged you're not going to see more of the same as a good thing. Older people become more populist, seek easier answers and policies that will probably show results in their remaining lifetime, kick back at the "bad"political thing in their early lives and vote in greater numbers for it. We should limit the maximum voting age to those doomed to suffer the consequences of incomplete and poorly-planned radical ideological projects, and hope this incrementally achieved fully automated luxury gay utopian space communism

[@CapitanNaufrago]

Except they are turning towards something that will keep them in poverty for life and destroy the entire country

[@johnbehan1526]

@@CapitanNaufrago Last time this trend arose, when the USA Britain and free Europe turned against conservatism afterwards the depression and ww2 there was a period of social equality and prosperity that conservatives talk about as the Good Old Days.

[@aturchomicz821]

@@CapitanNaufrago Better let everyone be "poor" then have some be privileged🤡🤡

[@diazinth]

@@aturchomicz821 being scandinavian, I'm gonna have to say: that's not how these things work

[@Grovyle90]

We were taught growing up that if we go to college, get a job, and get married, then we would be able to have a home, family, and life and be stable. And now we feel that the previous generations failed in delivering on a promise they made us.

[@PistonHonda87]

Who would have thought an over saturation of pointless college degrees would result in a shit show. 😂

[@Grovyle90]

@@PistonHonda87 ...and who would have thought that the generation born into a world on fire would simply idle as that fire continues to eat us? It is nothing short of a miracle that institutions, systems, and agencies supposedly designed to help us survive and thrive in a civilized world would fail for the youngest of us specifically at this very small moment in time. It truly is another turning of ages as we struggle to push to change the world. Be it for better or for worse, I am hopeful that we will somehow manage to change things. If not for ourselves or the world we live in, then perhaps, for those who would succeed us so that they never again have to witness the very fire we were born bathing in.

[@mroversteer3739]

You can thank the Lead Paint Legion known as the Boomers for that one.

[@johnmartin4641]

We assumed you were smart enough not to squander your education on useless crap with no job prospects like gender studies and we assumed you were smart enough to research pay and benefits and making your choices accordingly. Our mistake.

[@mark9294]

@@johnmartin4641 should have taught us that instead of constantly emphasise that we should “follow our dreams“

[@MrChiddler]

People don’t get more conservative as they get older. They get more conservative as they get richer. These things usually correlate but recently are doing so less than they once did. The correlation still exists - it’s just less pronounced than it was.

[@ICreatedU1]

I hear you and it's not wrong, but it's also about values and the fear of losing the society one was born in. One can be poor and the same time irrationally afraid of the shift in demographics and traditional lifestyles in one's neighbourhood, making one more conservative without ever climbing a single step on the socioeconomic ladder. Money is a good indicator, but it's not the only one.

[@zane62135]

This is absurd because wealthy people in America are, on average, very Liberal. It is an embarrassing fact that people are scared to point out. It's all social signaling.

[@lucasmoore8801]

Spot on. 👏👏👊

[@lucasmoore8801]

@@ICreatedU1 Also very true. Well said. 👊

[@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356]

most conservatives are workers

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

The youngest generation is also offered the least help economically. They are the ones most ignored and mocked by conservatives when they express the challenges they face, even blamed for not spending enough, while accused of simultaneously spending too frivolously.

[@CharlieEarthRoast]

Apparently we have single handedly killed many companies and industries. lol.

[@MinkieWinkle]

I am young, and I do not disagree with what they say. Much of the young do spend too much, save too little. And moan too much. That said, there are definitely struggles being faced, Take housing. Having interest rates artificially low for over a decade is not helping, as it has now caused the average house price to be 10x the average wage. While banks will only lend 4 to 5 x your wage. So significantly higher deposits are required. Hopefully, now, though, with interest rates normalising again. Slowly edging back towards the average interest rate of 6 percent. It should reverse the housing inflation from the last 10 years.

[@LENZ5369]

@@MinkieWinkle "Much of the young do spend too much, save too little. And moan too much." Then either you are more privileged than most or ignorant AF. Millennials are the poorest generation in modern history and are only getting poorer; we suffer when the economy busts and because we never had houses or other equity -we don't gain much during the booms. The wealth hoarders are lucky the young just "moan" and protest, in the past; the guillotines were oiled up for less.

[@MinkieWinkle]

@@LENZ5369 You just proved my point

[@lesserspottedmugwump.363]

A large problem, in the U.K. at least is that the tories have been in too long. If they think Angela Reiner is going to swoop down and solve all their problems then they are going to be disappointed.

[@daniels7907]

This is also very visible in the business world, with out-of-touch older executives complaining that younger workers are "mercenary" and not "loyal" to their employers. The problem is that Millennials grew up as a generation where the old-time principle of getting into a company and working for them you entire career was killed by business itself. Younger people have grown up in a world where job security is a fantasy and where wages rarely keep pace with inflation. Without the security that previous generations took for granted, these younger people are daunted by the hurdles standing between them and things like home ownership and children. The political assumption for too long was to focus on rewarding older voters and expecting them to be replaced by more as people aged. But what do the Millennials have to "conserve" that would make them become more conservative?

[@jasonaris5316]

To be fair the job for life and shift to DC (as opposed to DB) pension schemes took place in the early 90’s so Gen X got hit with this phenomenon before you guys

[@adamsrealm]

@@jasonaris5316 replace _"before"_ with *"as well"* It's not a fucking competition to see who can get screwed over the soonest.

[@jasonaris5316]

@@adamsrealm I agree at least Gen x still had property to get into that’s been denied to Millennials as well

[@KenetorTV]

not to mention, loyalty is completely and utterly NOT rewarded

[@namelessnobody7611]

I don’t think this is true. I’m a young person who currently supports Labour and I firmly intend to vote Tory when I’m old and rich.

[@mathieuguenet5360]

The information that older generations are more conservative hits different when you realise poor people die substantially earlier than rich people

[@N.i.c.k.H]

How could it be any different? What is the point of money if not to make life better for yourself and those that you love? You can argue over how "substantial" the difference should be allowed to get but that's about it. This is precisely why all the Labour MPs send their kids to expensive public schools.

[@maverickkillmore2996]

@@N.i.c.k.H Bruh. You must be stupid, have you heard a concept called "Survivor Bias," there's a reason why Doctors won't do prevalence research in diseases that are deadly (ie, the data is not representative).

[@logans3365]

@@N.i.c.k.Hit could be different by not allowing the wealth generated by the whole of America to end up in so few hands, and instead using it yo benefit the whole of America.

[@mathieuguenet5360]

@@N.i.c.k.H this is precisely what is fucked up, thank you for describing the horror of the system to us

[@N.i.c.k.H]

@@mathieuguenet5360 Not sure what you are saying. Do you object to parents being able to do their best to assist their children to have a better chance in life? It's an arguable position but not one that I believe many parents would support.

[@melbtom1]

As an Aussie, this is already happening in Australia if you want a glimpse of it in action. The conservatives have been obliterated federally and at state level. Their voter base is dying off and their replacements are turning 18 and ready to vote. Yet they still cling to old fashioned values and even leaning more to the right. Young people are more informed about politics these days with easy access to news. The conservatives are so out of touch it's embarrassing.

[@ErikUden]

Very good. Finally these oil-sucking idiots can leave government.

[@hurensohn7605]

conservatives: *make policies for the rich and old* also conservatives when nobody under 40 votes for them: 🤯

[@iver5457]

I hope the same would happen here in the Philippines.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@iver5457 dude us young people are literally the super majority 25 is the average age here idk what the fucks wrong

[@Marewig]

I'm guessing that the Aussie conservatives are hoping the Murdoch media empire would bail them out somewhat? The way it seemed to have done so in the US...

[@CharlieEarthRoast]

Same is happening in the US. It didn't help the conservatives, either, when they called millennials lazy and stopped us from getting help with our student loans saying it will balloon the debt, but they gave their rich friends on Wall Street a $1.5 trillion tax cut.

[@ronanconley2595]

As part of Gen Z we do not deserve help with our student loans. If you can’t pay back your loan you should be in debt bozo.

[@Lestibournes]

Conservatives want less taxes AND less spending. Taxes is taking away other people's stuff by force, aka robbery. Spending might be nice, but it requires either taxes, printing money, or borrowing. Borrowing hurts the country's future to benefit the present, and borrowing and printing money both cause inflation, which hurts poor people the most as they eat what they earn. Also lower taxes means more private spending and investment, which means more jobs and higher salaries. The "free money" of student loans caused a lot more people to get higher education degrees, which devalued those degrees while inflating their cost. You now need a bachelor's degree for professions where a GED used to suffice, while accumulating enough debt to buy a house in the suburbs just to get an entry-level job. It's a basic law of economics that when you lower the price, demand goes up. When demand increases relative to supply, the price goes up. This goes for education, housing, or employment. When you have too many people with degrees, a degree won't earn you as much money as it used to. When you have too many people going to university, tuition goes up.

[@user-mg4cn6wm1u]

@@Lestibournes I have yet to meet the conservative that wants less spending, only the conservative that wants less spending on poor people.

[@Lestibournes]

@@user-mg4cn6wm1u that's what conservatives complain about: that the people that get into congress are merely trying to slow down the democrats with their crazy blow out the budget and bankrupt the country ideas, rather than actually fix things.

[@CharlieEarthRoast]

@@Lestibournes No it isn't...There is representation. It's not taking money away from others by force. Learn history and political philosophy.

[@kyle-silver]

Didn’t realize “wealth redistribution” meant “not selling off every public service imaginable to your Oxbridge mates”

[@Rory626]

Government providing literally anything at all is considered socialism these days. Madness

[@polishpadi5915]

Everyone knows that socialism is when...*checks notes*...government does stuff

[@lonelyone69]

@@polishpadi5915 😂😂😂

[@stevebbuk]

Unfortunately most of the nationalized industries were costing Brits an arm and a leg before they were sold off.

[@lonelyone69]

@@stevebbuk they actually weren't Macmillan gave out millions to the private sector because they were falling so far behind. Unironically causing the sterling crises and the recession that would allow thatcher to rise to power. It was literally all the Tories they over spent. At the end of Macmillan debt to gdp reached over 200%.

[@smirnovamaria9611]

It's not just buying a house that makes you conservative, I believe. It's buying a house and seeing everyone else around you also buying houses. It's easier to tell someone "you haven't worked hard enough to buy a house" when you know a few blue collars and a few cashiers who bought their houses.

[@books2438]

People could afford houses even though only the man worked and they dare say that they know anything about working hard to buy a house

[@runningfromabear8354]

Even buying a house doesn't make you conservative. I'm 42 years old and bought my first house in 2004 at 23 years old. Most of my friends were still in college, but I assumed they'd pay off their loans and buy a house right after me. Almost 20 years later, most have only just become able to afford a house in the last 5 years, very late into their careers and when housing has been most expensive. The only difference between me and them? I put 50% of my paycheque into savings starting age 16. By 23 I had enough to make a down payment on a house. Meanwhile they spent all of their money on paying down student debt. Housing prices rose faster than paycheques even as they were paying down debt. Watching what happened to my friends and what would have happened to my husband who went to college, I've seen pretty up close and personally how stupid this shit is.

[@francesengland79]

Yup. I bought my first house in 2003. And my second in 2016. And another is 2018. Plus, 2 investments in 2019/2020. And I wouldnt vote conservative, even though most investors I know would. And that’s because the system is made to help the super wealthy. I rent out all my houses (except my main one). All I’m trying to do is hopefully give my kids a jump start and give them each a house (well, transfer the loan and title to them) when they get ready to move out on there home, and I have to worry a medical bill will bankrupt me. Or the neighborhood I have a house in is bought has many rentals owned by an out of state or out of country investor who doesn’t care if the neighborhood is taken care of as long as the rent makes a profit (never want to increase taxes even though that leads to better schools, better better roads, better social safety nets, and increasing the value of your property… you don’t have to worry about that when you don’t like in the neighborhood your renting out a unit).

[@EchoingHell]

@@francesengland79 So you're sat holding multiple houses and don't see how that is part of the problem? "It's fine, I'm doing it for my kids," said the person who is blocking home ownership for other young families.

[@francesengland79]

@@EchoingHell yes, I’m holding for my kids because the way things are going, my kids aren’t going to afford a home. Contrary to popular opinion, most landlords aren’t rich. Most have less than 5 properties. The top 5-10% hold the majority of rentals and property. Not to mention, most people can’t afford or qualify to buy one of my properties (they aren’t even that nice). When I did put one on the market because it wasn’t making money, and barely broke even, I got more calls and higher offers from investors who intended to turn it into an Airbnb. The tenant ended up agreeing to paying market value rent at the end of her lease rather than moving. Though she also tried to buy but couldn’t get the financing to come thru, even though her payment would have only been about $200 more than market value rent. Rent needs to decrease to turn away investors. And that’s not gonna happen. Because most investors are risky investors. If your landlord lets you qualify for a rental at 2x rent, you’ll always rent if you barely qualify. You need to make 3x mortgage to qualify for a loan minimum.

[@mjohnson2123]

As a boomer, I agree that we are generally getting more conservative. We've been brainwashed and distracted by the media over the decades. I feel bad about the mess we're leaving to the younger generations. Some of are changing our thinking though. Information like this helps!

[@guymankowski3358]

It does it is good as a millennial to see a baby boomer acknowledge this- thanks

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Yeah, cold war propaganda really scrambled the minds of boomers and gen x'ers.

[@aapocalypseArisen]

s0metimes i w0nder if its a c0nspiracy t0 destr0y the w0rld bef0re they die tbh

[@VMKjelly]

❤

[@harryhall1378]

Much respect, for what you are saying this is what I see. I’ve been alienated for my political believes in socialism.

[@robkemp598]

The supreme irony is that because they have concentrated wealth into the hands of the powerful then people are less likely to be able to settle down, get a house, pay OFF the mortgage and basically be in a position to become a tory voter. And I find that incredibly funny

[@hughjass2745]

no the supreme irony is a shadow cabinet of white millionaire, champagne socialists, with an ever increasing white middle class voter base, that think they represent the party of the working class. The Labour party has been well and truly gentrified, to the point the working class are seen as nothing more than uppity serfs.

[@sabinehahn9774]

Even funnier - they still don't get, and probably never will - that they're shooting themselves in the foot constantly. 😂

[@jimbo5973]

The Conservative Party are no longer ideologically Conservative. Cameron and Osborne completed the usurpation of the Party by inviting in the Liberals en masse and 'rebranding' as such, the Tree logo instead of the traditional Torch, for example. It was not hard to see if you were paying attention. Ideologically Conservative figures such as Iain Duncan Smith have been increasingly marginalised until they are now a minority in their own party. Blair had also previously sabotaged / poisoned, for want of a better word, practically all of the Universities, the Education Sector, The NHS, The legal sector with his creation of the totally illegitimate 'Supreme Court', many other institutions and the majority of the civil service and opened our borders so the country is no longer governable by anything other than his fellow ideologues. The truly hilarious thing is it may now be so radicalised it is literally ungovernable by anyone The monster the Labour Party under Blair created, is now most likely going to eat its own tail. How stupid is that? I would suggest this is the gold nugget of humour you seek.

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

Wdym? The housing crisis is not a result of wealth inequality.

[@nickhawthorne2602]

A large part of this comes down to the short-termism of modern politics. They're engaged in a constant desperate scramble to make it through the next twelve weeks. They don't see issues like this because it'll perpetually be someone else's problem, just like all the asinine decisions they make in power. And yes, all modern politicians, from all parties, do this. Anyone who didn't would have to make some unpleasant hair-shirt decisions with the long term in mind, and people would vote them out.

[@apjtv2540]

This feels a bit like saying "why do victims of burns dislike fire?" It kept hurting us, so we stopped supporting it.

[@1313steamroller]

I am a Boomer. Over the last forty years I have noticed that the only people who get more conservative with age are also becoming more cowardly and hateful with age. Those of us who have not given in to fear have become more liberal.

[@RemziCavdar]

Indeed, but sadly you're a very small minority. Most Boomers I know are afraid of change, are very greedy and only think short term and of themselves. However I know 2 Boomers who are like you, very educated (1 scientist and other a teacher) who are very left. Problem is that the majority of the Boomers right now dominate society (highest positions in corporations and governments). This will change in the next 10 to 20 years, but then it's already too little too late. The greed has cause not only a climate crisis but also a economic crisis and the hammer hasn't fallen yet. I don't think humanity is able to solve the coming crisis, also because GenX has the same Boomer mindset (a lof of them). Our only hope is the Millennials and GenZ to make drastic changes.

[@johnmartin4641]

Didn’t you guys hide in your houses for a year over a virus that almost never harms people that don’t have several comorbidities and demand us conservatives hide with you just so you wouldn’t have to hide in fear alone? Us Conservatives on the other hand went about our daily business. And now you guys fear words and “hate speech”. You guys think words are violence and any criticism of a liberal is “inciting violence” despite no mention of violence whatsoever. Several of you had meltdowns when Trump got elected, not because of his policies, but because of his Tweets. There were only 2 issues where Trump differed from traditional Republicans, but on those 2 issues, Trump was to the left of traditional Republicans (more protectionist trade policies and anti war). You guys had a full blown meltdown when he won, but a much more mild reaction when previous Republicans won.

[@johnmartin4641]

@@RemziCavdar of course a scientist would be on the left. That’s because the left believes in no accountability for scientists. According to the left, just being a scientist alone makes you an expert who can do no wrong, regardless of how much you suck at your job and how wrong you are and how frequently you are wrong.

[@9cross]

Seriously? Liberals are always complaining about how conservatives coming to kill them. Liberals are contently in fear over invisible problems.

[@sanguiniusonvacation1803]

​@@RemziCavdar I have been feeling that last part hard as of late. The world gets worse and worse and all we where promised growing up turned to ash as soon as we reached for it. I have been finding it harder and harder to hope for anything better then laughing as the rich die with us in the fires they lit...even if we have to drag them in ourselves. It's especially bad here in the US...

[@steggopotamus]

Also, I know a lot of fairly well off programmers who are very very leftist because they're still upset about the way companies are abusive and they empathize with their less well off peers.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I'm not surprised, a lot of programmers work hard and are treated like shit.

[@EthanQix]

"This can be fixed but requires major changes" Considering being conservative means being fundamentally allergic to change, I don't see that working out for them.

[@NoirMorter]

As an American conservative I’ve never understood this concept. Maybe I’m weird but the thought of not changing bad policies to protect the fundamental morals, citizens, freedom and American way sounds stupid. that’s why for American politics both of my parties are worthless.

[@vietimports]

@@NoirMorter the democrats are corrupt and inept. the republicans are evil and cruel. one party is significantly worse than the other

[@emberthecatgirl8796]

@@NoirMorter Changing bad policies is progressive, maybe you could reevaluate your views?

[@p.a.r.c1694]

@@emberthecatgirl8796 bad policies are not linked to time or party. Both sides have always done "bad policies". And if you ask why would they do such bad policies I'll tell you they are not bad policies at all for themselves.

[@casesater]

@@NoirMorter change bad policies ARE progressive

[@Silver_Knee]

Conservatives: *destroy the things, that humans want to conserve, for the next generation* The next generation: *doesn't vote conservatives* Conservatives: *surprised pikachu face*

[@greenwoodorganics4681]

Gullible peasants: wow, these conservatives are terrible. I hate conservatism because it's in the party's name so it must be true. Let's vote for more socialism, which is, er, exactly what the 'conservatives' do but nevermind that. We'll surely fix everything by voting for the parties that offer even more of the same policies.

[@miras2222]

well said. I really tried to figure out what so called Conservative want to conserve. They say they want to conserve traditional values like family, property and democracy. Bullshit. In fact their greediness make middle and working class poorer, unable to buy a house and feed the kids, they reduce support for struggling families, their power grab inclinations lead to ban or limit our rights for peaceful protests, obsticles to cast our vote, now they want to limit our workers rights and reduce protection of environment and natural resources. What they conserve then? their greediness, offshore money, corruption and control. I hope we will get rid of them in next GE.

[@Silver_Knee]

@@miras2222 conservative movements start out by trying to conserve whatever cultural values a society has. You can see that for example in the younger right leaning parties that formed in Europe. Now at the start, they may even have left leaning economical policies, but their appeal to cultural structures, supports and attracts support from those who hold power at the moment or in the past. These people are typically rich and so their economical interests get more and more into the party until they all end up in the unholy deal for the common voter: conservative cultural values payed for by their economic situation. And the worse the economic situation becomes or is about to become, the more dire the attack on the culture must be, to be worth it for the voters. Now long-standing older voters with much investment in the culture they grew up in, are easier swayed in this regard. They also are typically not as affected by the economic blows. But for Millennials... Imagine the attack on culture that would need to happen to swallow any more economic hardship for people that just are invested in the current culture for about 20 years. To rectify that, conservatives around the world must either really drum up the culture war or take a step back from austerity and tax cuts. The latter would bite the had that feeds them, so they tried the first one now for a while.

[@miras2222]

@@Silver_Knee I think in some cases the so called cultural war became a red herring, in many ways it is deliberate 'divide and rule' operation, heatted up and splashed all around the all media in order to deflect public disscussion and attention from money & power grab that is happening quietly behind the scene. Kinda 'let's keep people busy discussing gender rights, pronunces, free speech, Harry&Meghan etc, so they don't notice when we change the law to reduce their democratic rights to protest and cast the vote, scrap the workers rights, force them working 60hour per week fo a bowl of rice, make them unable to buy a house so they would have no choice but to to pay high rents stashing the pockets of landlords, scrap safety, food and environmental standards to make moneymaking easier for the rich ....etc...etc..etc.

[@damo9961]

Socialists destroy it even faster: surprised Pikachu fac3

[@ummmmmmmmmmmnmmmm]

As a gen Z person who was born in the year 2000, I never witnessed the economic booms of the 90s. The first time I became aware of economics as a concept was when the recession happened. My parents who might've been a lot more financially frivolous before the recession then made a switch to hardcore frugality. From the age of 7 until today I've been silently hoping that another economic boom will happen but the problems just continue to pile up on each other. From recession to housing crises to brexit to covid and so on. Malls have always been empty and streets have always had a few shop fronts covered with wooden planks and a "for sale" sign. The world of the 90s seems so alien to me. The idea of walking into a bustling shopping mall or using a credit card to buy things just seems like something you only see in movies. Buying a house and starting a family in your 20s? Forget about it. Unless you want to throw your life away and live paycheck to paycheck for the rest of your life then you have to live with your parents until your late 20s/30s. And I hate it. It sucks. But that's life. Older generations faced different hardships and I respect that. Especially if you were a minority then you would've had a much worse quality of life in the past. Regardless, it's annoying to see boomers completely dismiss our problems and constantly vote conservative when they have financial security and own more properties then they know what to do with. They lived in a completely different economic environment and it makes my blood boil when I see conservative politicians focus so much on culture war fronts. They don't care about the economy or about democracy. They know that older generations are worried about minority groups such as transgender people and they're exploiting that fear to maintain power. It's despicable.

[@Cyborg_Lenin]

As someone who was born in 1980, I have witnessed empires crumble around me, the world unifying and tearing itself apart, people dying and giving birth, species going extinct and seas going dry, billions of stars shatter at the blink of my eye! My clairvoyance is limitless! I'm still a socialist though.

[@marvin2678]

i advise you to go read about those policies during the times you nostalgicially describe as such good timenes... you will find out inetersting things

[@anubizz3]

People in 90s don't fight for gay and lesbian? When is the mardi gras started? 2010?

[@Cohagenmods]

'From the age of 7 until today I've been silently hoping that another economic boom.' Hmmmmm.

[@anubizz3]

@@Cohagenmods With the WW3 looming you should prepare for recession at best , become war victim at most like alot of baby boomer.

[@northernbrother1258]

I'm 60 and WAY more left wing than I was in my 20s...because progressive economic policies help everyone, and that ultimately benefits me and my kids!

[@hithere911]

I like you. We need more people like you where I live (U.S.).

[@Ru136]

You, my friend, possess both the critical thinking skills and empathy to think in such a way. Unfortunately that's not the case for many people

[@johnhammond.]

Benefits?

[@bruhbutwhytho2301]

@@johnhammond. More government services.

[@northernbrother1258]

@@bruhbutwhytho2301 Right, which isn't the same thing as socialism.

[@Joe125g20]

It's not just that the Tories have neglected young people. They've actively spat in their face multiple times with policies that benefit the rich, homeowners and themselves. Triple lock pension is a great example of this, whereas they had to be dragged screaming through the mud to even consider supporting everyone for their bills. And for older Tory voters. The poorer we are, the more you will suffer in older age. If we can't live for ourselves, the quality of care for the elderly will drop too (I predict large numbers of young people may emmigrate away if trends continue). Voting for Tories is a shot in the foot for almost everyone who isn't a millionaire, but especially damming for the young. If you care about young people and the future at all, don't vote for these monsters. 12 years of mismanagement can't be anymore proof

[@avancalledrupert5130]

But there's nobody else. Go start a party I will vote for that But I won't vote for any that correctly exist.

[@2dradon2]

​@@avancalledrupert5130 there's plenty of parties? Labour, lib dem, plus many more. What benefits would a tory vote have over either of these 2 options? They literally have been in power for years and people are worse off including the country as a whole. Don't forget the corruption and scandals.

[@BambiTrout]

@@avancalledrupert5130 There is Labour. Don't pretend that they're exactly the same or that they're just as bad as the Tories. Sure they're not perfect, but they haven't spent 12 years screwing us, and they've dramatically reoriented themselves since New Labour.

[@Jermbot15]

@@avancalledrupert5130 And that is exactly how they continue to fuck you year after year. So much easier to scare people with the unknown than offer something tangible.

[@taylorlynn2522]

@@BambiTroutthe scars left on this nation by labour have yet to fully heal, but yes compared to the last 12 years of TORY government which feels like national mutilation, it seems rather preferable. Just make sure to criticize labour should they ever return to their "new" ways

[@chris7263]

I read someone say once that normally people start out liberal, get "mugged by reality," and then become conservative, but that millennials were mugged by reality right out of the gate.

[@richmcgee434]

@DoubtingThomasIt's exactly the same in the US. Might even be worse, US Boomers had it far easier than UK ones did when they were young, and they've always been more detached from the experiences of younger folks, even their GenX children.

[@deew103]

@DoubtingThomas ehh tbf the US' overton window is shifted much more towards the right.

[@Kaebuki]

@@doubtingthomas136 Well, uh, last election also had Trump, so... I feel it's less they voting for the Democrats and more voting for not Trump.

[@MCellation]

@@doubtingthomas136 hard agree! Somewhere, sometime boomers have decided to stop keeping up, that history has ended with their "triumphs" and they basically won at life, and anyone younger complaining are just not working hard enough at life. It's astonishing to see that e.g. most of Central and Eastern European boomers and older generations are stuck in 2004 (when 10 countries joined the EU), and basically don't know how to interpret much of anything that happened politically or socially afterwards. I'm gonna pull this number out of my ass, but I feel like as a 25 year old Hungarian I am 150 times more informed about politics and EU & foreign politics especially, than a 50 year old Hungarian.

[@benyboybob]

@@MCellation That's because people don't care

[@Zenjohnny]

I think the internet has changed our generation as well. New documentaries have opened my eyes and have made me more compassionate towards animals, poorer people, and planet.

[@fishlordusername891]

Absolutely, people don't talk nearly enough about the internet and how it vitally changes society and how we interact with knowledge. Information is just so easy to acquire these days.

[@cir0plus]

In the US it makes 100% sense. The columbine shooting had us scared at school. 9/11 happened. I remember watching the plane hitting the second tower. People in my school were crying, trying to get a hold of loved ones. "Stranger Danger" and DARE gave us more fear. The 2008 market crash. Older people constantly pooping on us. But we also noticed things change for the better, like reduced smoking and getting rid of lead and other things. Global warming was brought up more. Stats wise, crime is down, unemployment is down(except the spikes from the market crash and COVID). Tuition went up a crazy amount. Housing is nearly impossible to get. We watch older people throw hissy fits over wearing masks. The right is against female rights, they side with corporations over unions, regulations, and greed. Trans and homophobic. The left is not perfect, but at least they're pushing for some kinda change. Note to the right, using "wokeness", "sjw" and "cancel culture" is getting old. You say the left are "snowflakes", but just look in the mirror before you speak.

[@9cross]

Note to the left. Saying the right is "against female rights" and is "trans and homophobic" is getting old. The right is not perfect, but at least they are pushing for some kind of change.

[@alyssa7867]

Bruh, for 2 decades we've been fearing getting shot up in school and the response has been, consistantly, "The children are worth sacrificing for my guns".

[@lucasmoore8801]

💯💯💯💯💯💯👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👊👊👊👊👊👊

[@blackswan5034]

The right hates free speech so much

[@shanehill3804]

Makes sense. Cant vote for the party of "protect my stuff" when you don't have stuff. Interesting video thanks!

[@michaelcross4112]

They've done everything to make wages less competitive and homeownership harder. Arresting people over Twitter comments and other "woke" nonsense all happened under a conservative government. More people die than are born in the UK but the large numbers of new permanent residents being let in keeps demand for housing artificially high. Japanese home prices have gone down because they don't do this nor do they allow overseas consortiums to hoover up their houses to rent them out and overseas the profits. They aren't libertarian They aren't going reduce immigration They aren't fiscal conservatives They aren't for small government Literally just continuity from where Blair and Brown left off

[@35mm21]

Conservatives also threw "family values" out the window when they took the "Kill grandma to keep the economy running" position during COVID

[@rwrunning1813]

Right wing isn't even the party of "protect my stuff." It's the party of economic exploitation, antivax conspiracies, religious intolerance, and gun-toting maniacs.

[@abberss]

Conservative policies have brutally fucked millennials over. No surprise that the victims of conservative policy have no interest in voting for those who have caused their immiseration.

[@BlastedRodent]

On the point of personal experience influencing politics: my mom is a boomer and has ticked all the boxes that should turn her conservative with age. Home ownership, check, family, check, steady well-paid job, check. Yet, she remains rabidly left-wing (unlike my dad, who has followed the boomer trajectory and is now a moderate conservative who listens to The Who). The reason? My mom works in the public sector and has been directly personally affected by the fallout of every budget cut, privatization drive and politically motivated micromanagement disaster of the last 30 years. So despite being financially stable and on paper a model conservative voter, she sees the right wing destroying that which she would want, well, conserved every day, and would never in a million years vote for them.

[@bucherregaldomi9084]

Based boomer mom

[@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts]

Your mom sounds awesome. I'd love to meet her.

[@tonyb9735]

I'm gen-x but I have followed your mother's direction of travel. Once I had enough to be comfortable I found I didn't worry about conserving my wealth as common knowledge suggests I should have, instead I started to worry about those people who were not in such a fortunate situation as I am.

[@Dragon_Fire_2468]

Give her a hug for me ❤

[@LB-yg2br]

This tracks. I’m almost 40, active duty military and have two homes and I’m still solidly liberal. I see what’s happening to my cohort and I’m still with them even if I’m doing well. Everyone should have the opportunities I had without needing to pledge their life to their country. I’m American but we seem to be experiencing a lot of the same shite

[@Dragon_Fire_2468]

o7 thank you, you give me hope

[@paulklp8262]

God save you my friend. Not your redneck neighbours.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

God bless you and thank you for your service Signed Someone center right

[@zadovrus1624]

Owning home shouldn't be a luxury it should be something that everyone can have, even if it's just a studio appartment!

[@benjaminlamothe2093]

This is what I believe I already live in one room in my parents house I neither need nor want anything bigger than an aparment

[@ShankyJ15]

I finished uni in 2008. Worst times. No jobs. Nothing. It took me years to come out of financial disaster. And get somewhere in life. Even after that, I never felt that I can really have a stable life. Always moving. Finding jobs in tough competition environment. Everyone keep saying that 'You will be redundant, if you dont learn new skills.'..Hence always learning. Hustling and all became life. No time for anything else. Lookin back to my parents time. They never had any of these I mentioned. My father was working for same company, till he retired. My mother was doin part time and raising kids. Havin Family or kids. Are totally out of my reach atleast. How do society wants us to live the same way, as our parent's generation. When life became way wayyy harder for us, compared to our parents generation?

[@stevenc6969]

They usually think that because we have a bit of technology and iPhone then we have nothing to complain about.

[@Mavrick775]

I finished uni when i was 20, it's been 8 years since i got that degree and i am just now in a position to start saving for a house and the only reason i can is because i moved back in with my mum and dad. This is not where i expected to be at the age of 28. Whats more is the housing market is in such a shambles that it might actually be financial suicide to buy a home right now.

[@harrytabiner]

@@Mavrick775 When has getting a degree every correlated to being more finanically better off, most people who get degrees finish with their 50k+ debt, to do a less than average paying job, and then act surprised as if they weren't told by anyone that getting a degree (unless it's required specifically for that job) isn't going mean they get a well paying job. Not sure what it was like back when you started University, but now, personally I would say it's just plain stupid to go and get a degree in a random subject, and then come out of it expecting a high paying job, when it's well known that half the degrees out there are a waste of money, time and just rack up debt, all for the person who got the degree to never use it again. I would say the thinking towards going to University has definetly changed now to when you would have gotten your degree.

[@Mavrick775]

@@harrytabiner Could not agree more. A degree right now is a total waste of time. If I had gone into an apprenticeship I would be much better off right now. Unfortunately because I had very good grades in school I was nudged towards the degree route. I did however manage to stop my sisters from going to uni and got them to go through the apprenticeship route. They are doing much better than myself despite me having a better qualification. They have something better, experience.

[@harrytabiner]

@@Mavrick775 Apprenticeships are definitely the way to go instead of Universies, get paid, get experience, potential job at the end of it and a qualification, eveything University doesn't supply bar the last part. Luckily I think more people are starting realise this as well.

[@gregmatic2861]

Millennials aren't getting the societal benefits of aging. Times were better economically in the late 1940's-90's in the US. Unions were stronger, wages went further, and workers were more respected. None of that's true now. All the other generations just took bad times when they happened because they saw the upside. Millennials never had the good in the first place and want reform. We need 2 or 3 generations to fix this.

[@davidty2006]

Not to mention inflation was way down. only 20 grand for a detached house now worth hundreads of thousands.....

[@toyotaprius79]

Emphasis on Unions

[@toyotaprius79]

@@davidty2006 that's what speculation does, it encourages inflation for profit. 💀

[@somethinglikethat2176]

@Be Low Below inflation eats into profits. You'll have a bigger number but less in real terms.

[@Dave-xn9iz]

Many Xs, on the younger side of the spectrum and particularly in countries whose cultures foster becoming independent very late, are in the same conditions. I don't see an easy way out of this. I don't think we have 2 or 3 generations to make having a place to live affordable for people.

[@arcticcircle9178]

>Conservatism is likely positively associated with home ownership, starting a family, and other milestones related to wealth So basically the logic is, in fact, "got mine, fuck you" a lot of the time, even if it's not outright stated? Damn. Who could've seen that coming? ~Nai

[@scwirpeo]

The boomers classic. Kick the rungs off the ladder as they climb it. Got to keep those lazy young generations from getting ahead.

[@N.i.c.k.H]

If you believe that then you need to explain why you, as a generation, will be the first in history to think and act differently as you age and gain wealth relative to younger generations.

[@shawnjavery]

People just get less sympathetic towards the failures of other people in life as they get more successful.

[@N.i.c.k.H]

@@SigFigNewton Manual labouring wont make you rich but it never did and it would be perverse if it did now. White colar "labouring" pays even better now than when I started. The only thing that I see is a real problem is the cost of housing but then it is mainly the young who are pro-immigration so that does temper my sympathy a bit.

[@kennyholmes5196]

Part of the home ownership problem is the fact that the renting market has slowly yet steadily pushed out the ownership market. Nobody can afford to buy a home because so many wealthy people are snapping up the homes that go onto the market and taking them off of it in order to rent them out to temporary tenants.

[@Dummigame]

Useless middlemen making lives for working people living hellscapes. A classic way of how capitalism has become feudalism with extra steps. This needs to change.

[@voidstarq]

Sometime in my early 20s I came across the quote: "It only takes 20 years for a Liberal to become a Conservative, without changing a single idea." I thought it meant that ideas that are considered "liberal" at any given time will be considered "conservative" twenty years later. Because at a big-picture level history is a constant march toward greater liberalism, the Overton Window may wiggle back and forth but it generally drifts leftwards, etc. And it's all that too. But sometime in my late 30s I realized the other meaning of the quote: If you're capable of living for 20 years without changing a single idea, then, regardless of how "conservative" or "liberal" your ideas themselves may be, you yourself have the brain of a Conservative.

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

I personally wonder how well is this march going on. A few people on the left screaming about growing radicalisation of mythical far-right, make me wonder to what extend while big chunk of population indeed marches left, there is growing number of people who are longer taking part in this shift.

[@logsyjiblose]

this is really deep

[@Steyr32]

@@logsyjiblose 🤓👨🏻‍🏫

[@bchristian85]

I think we are at a unique moment in history in which the overton window has moved more towards the interests of the boomers than the upcoming generations. The Republican Party is still focused on the same issues it was when Millennials were born such as abortion, gay rights, and religion. This environment is very different from what older generations came of age into. Politics are more or less frozen in 1986.

[@ChaoticJanzo]

@@valeriansamborski5844 Indeed, while I don't think it's true in every case, I've seen examples of it a few times in my personal experience. It's a quote that's growing on me, though I do not know the origin either.

[@pimentacitrica9883]

I'm a non British millennial and I see this in my peers. We have all grown increasingly more left-leaning with age. I'm now in my 30s and I am even more progressive that I was in my 20s.

[@deistormmods]

That's sad.

[@christopherjones9536]

@@deistormmods It's good. Hopefully we do this to all future generations. Make conservatism extinct! HaiI soIidarity! HaiI the Ieft! End the Conservative Era!

[@Louis-kw6yk]

@@deistormmods thats actually good

[@deistormmods]

@@Louis-kw6yk You have to expand your mind. You're living in binary. Both conservativism and liberalism have good values and bad values. Conservatism is about conserving certain values and liberalism is about progressing. You need both.

[@valdencorr2861]

but why?

[@baax]

I have always been left leaning policy wise but as an old man (52) my disdain for conservatives, their greed and their inane culture war rubbish has reached a new level.

[@Sarah34438]

Left wing are communists. Leftists believe men can become pregnant.😂😂😂

[@user-eq9xs5fz9u]

One interesting factor for this phenomenon is the spread of information through Internet. Everyone can share their opinion, hobbies, interest, and most importantly stories and experience. 2 decades ago, the only way to consume information is through TV, and there weren't many news about the struggles from other country that was widely known. Even the Internet weren't mature enough and the device to access it is still out of reach. Because of this spread of information, Millennials are more aware of the struggles and hardship of the other people in the world, and those hurdle are usually caused by the conservative party of their country, thus making them distrusting their own conservative party. And the conservative party didn't help themselves either by alienating the younger generation, proposing things that would only benefited themselves with the cost paid by the Millennial, lying and mislead through Interview and Speeches all the while the truth is already widely known through social media, then there's the attempt of censorship of those information making what they said less credible. "If you're not lying then why hide this information?"

[@bertrambolsingbruel3829]

TLDR editors: How many times should we use the moving age-graph? Ben: Yes.

[@peter1589]

As a 32 year old milennial, and speaking personally, the years since becoming an adult has been one slap in the face after another. I got screwed with tuition fees, my rural community's public services were decimated by austerity, struggled for stable employment for years and the final nail in the coffin was brexit. Everything since then were just further confirmation that the Conservatives will never be for me. I don't align with their values and I don't want to align with them at this point. Trying to get a mortgage has been one of the most stressful things I've done. The power dynamics between me and a massive multinational bank is just so depressing; the Conservatvies don't care about people like me.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

Isn't life just wonderful?

[@mistermood4164]

you need to move out

[@peter1589]

@@mistermood4164 I have

[@nearlyretired7005]

A lot of millennials moaning here. I know lots of millennials who are successful and own their own homes and have families,and are comfortable. In life there are people who do well,and those who don't. If you are struggling you need to look at yourself and your decisions instead of blaming politicians.

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@nearlyretired7005 Congrats, you've discovered that the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

[@justclickingthroughyoutube7132]

When you are young, you are told to just be patient and work hard and you will make it. Been working now for 14 years. Paid for college. Invested salary to the stock market. Still no house. Can't afford a family. The painful thing is I realize that the 2008 crash butchered my initial paycheck and I didn't really recover and thought I was on track again until 2018 or 2019. Ready to buy a house in 2020, and prices spiked. It was crazy and I was shut out again. When life doesn't go your way your liberal because things aren't fair and you want government to even the playing field. When things go well, the status quo and conservatism seem like the right way to go because why change it if it works? America hasn't worked for the millenials. We struggled to get jobs out of college coming into the job market in 2009 to 2013. We had no money during the big bull run decade. And as soon as we did we hit covid and lost out again. Just bad timing, but it sucks.

[@moviemaestro800]

Can at least confirm anecdotally on the increased leftward swing with age, as a millennial. I used to be one of those online edgelord types, who enjoyed seeing leftist activists blunder and suffer, and had fairly libertarian views, when I was in my late teens and early 20s. Now that I am nearly 30, I have since drifted significantly left, and become a social democrat in ideology, overall.

[@maxwild1212]

"Let's just deliberately shit up the younger generation's futures with incredibly destructive corruption-motivated policies and just kind of hope they forget about it."

[@runswithraptors]

As if rich greedy mfers are thinking about anyone but themselves and their bank account

[@sebastienholmes548]

Those policies are?

[@rwrunning1813]

We won't.

[@maxwild1212]

@@sebastienholmes548 Brexit, for example.

[@Medafets]

The other factor I would include is the effect that social media has had. Everyone likes to bring this up, but it really is hard to understate that massive shared experience of growing up in the early days of the internet and social media. This has given us a fundamentally different view of the world to our parents and especially our grandparents.

[@jim-es8qk]

You mean collective brain washing? A make believe view opposed to the real world?

[@toyotaprius79]

Before the algorithms of social media were corrupted like the homepage of Internet Explorer/msm

[@oneoflokis]

Good point! 🙂👍 (Though many middle-aged people have taken to social media like a duck to water too! 🙂)

[@stephenhodgson3506]

I don't think it's just social media but the internet in general. Younger people have access to information and other people that their parents and grandparents would never have dreamed of. As somebody of the boomer generation it appears to me that young people have totally different loyalties than their elders. They are able to communicate with people of similar interests and beliefs across the planet rather than just in their country. It is very noticeable that the first thing leaders in autocratic countries do is to restrict free access to the internet for young people. I find it somewhat ironic that you see these reports on KZbin and other social media outlets that all ignore the influence of the very outlet that allows them to get their message out in the first place.

[@benmorris118]

Absolutely. And combined with how easy it is to find like-minded people online, it's easier to get trapped in an echo chamber of people who agree with you (on both sides/biases)

[@fairywingsonroses]

I feel like it's not just conservative policies on economics and family values that have millennials voting more liberal. In the United States, racism, sexism, homophobia, and extreme religious nationalism are rampant and even openly celebrated among conservatives. Even if I agreed with their policies on economics and family values (which I don't), I would still find it extremely hard to support conservative political platforms knowing that I'd be further contributing to the oppression and terrorization of minority groups.

[@rrsidentfrickhoe]

Exactly

[@keit99]

Tbh. The american republicans remind me a lot of the NSDAP (Hitler party) in 1920-1930s Germany. They aren't right-leaning they are downright Extremist rights

[@alyssa7867]

Conservatives: "We want to kill you." Millennials & Gen Z: "Why would I vote for you?" Conservatives: "You just hate America".

[@josephang9927]

No one cares about those issues really. Most liberals don't even care about pronouns. Only rich progressives push that activist trash.

[@tanaymishra7333]

What u call homophobia is just trying to live a normal life without all this pride stuff being shoved down the throat. As for Religiousness, religion is always going to be around and always have some followers. As for nationalism, it's basically loving ur country and the belief that a coutry's identity is tied to it's culture and history

[@Sf_Mason]

Millenial here, and both myself and my siblings all got pretty much screwed by the current batch of tories, several times So far, lost my job in direct consequence due to Brexshit, my brother's lost 2 jobs and nearly lost his house, and my sister lost her inlaws due to the Tories incompitence. As for house ownership, it's a 33% hit rate, as only one of us has a house, I've been unable to afford one as yet and my sister's got little chance of owning one. Added to this the systematic destruction of public services like the NHS, then it all fits with the data of how the tories screwed over the younger generation since about 2008. The sooner they got the way of the dinosaurs the better.

[@LightningStrikeify]

As a 26yr old homeowner, I’m definitely not becoming more conservative. When you have lived through 12yrs of mismanagement, and being unable to name a good, original policy by the government, you quickly realise they’re as useful as a choccy teapot!

[@mohammedsarker5756]

as a homeowner would you support more housing construction in your neighborhood?

[@toyotaprius79]

Don't let sheltered comfort make you lose sight , pal.

[@toyotaprius79]

@@mohammedsarker5756 Especially if it were public housing, who would be against that?

[@supernoodles908]

@@toyotaprius79 I'm for that. I'm a home owner and think it's important for it to be built

[@jim-es8qk]

12 years of mismanagement? A conservative government have allowed you to get on the property ladder at a very young age.

[@paulenkelaar9226]

My parents who are in their 70s always ask me what party I intent to vote on and will then vote for the same party even though they are well of in the current system. They do this because the want a better world for my generation as they have lived a full live already. I plan to do the same thing when I have kids.

[@DaveNashknasher]

That's a genuinely good thing to do, your parents must be truly lovely people

[@cericat]

Hopefully there's a party still around that represents what my kids need when it comes time for them to vote, the vast majority here in Australia are heavily corporatist, the ALP hasn't represented workers at all since my childhood as "new labour" overran the UK's Labour Party and our own "Labor Right" took over.

[@robe1811]

Fair play to them. I wish all boomers had that desire to leave a better country for their kids 😢

[@stillincompetent6844]

I thank you and your parents for this, because now I'm going to do the same thing if I ever have kids

[@aravindpallippara1577]

​@@cericatthe global tech community almost always looks upto Australia to stamp down on stupid marketing and business practices For that I will always be grateful to the Aussies, the best tech nanny state there ever was

[@matty9460]

I've noticed a trend that younger "right wingers" are more focused on restoring intangible things like culture, beliefs, traditions etc. Almost everyone younger than 30 seems to despise modern consumer capitalism and constant growth whether left wing or right wing

[@johnmartin4641]

How could anyone despise constant growth? I’ve never heard anyone say “I wish my portfolio would stop growing.”

[@matty9460]

@@johnmartin4641 maybe if that growth had've applied to wages at the same rate. Many people don't even have savings let alone a portfolio and that same growth has priced them out of the housing market. There are also intangible costs to constant growth. Global capitalism has eroded western culture, western Christian holidays (particularly Christmas) have been reduced to nothing but superficial spending sprees. It has also resulted in constant pollution and paved over large chunks of nature. It has undermined the labour market by allowing unrestricted immigration for cheap labour particularly in Europe. It has resulted in big, cramped, cities that have no identity wherein everyone is morose and nobody knows or trusts each other. Maybe if you're from metropolitan America or England, where society has become individualistic to the point of total atomisation, or if you're a boomer who had the privilege of a strong labour market and unions and bought in early, then the most important thing is the portfolio. Most people however care about their families, communities (particularly the safety thereof), national identity, culture, beliefs, traditions, language and the state of their nation far more than GDP figures.

[@johnmartin4641]

@@matty9460 in America, most Americans are invested in the stock market. I am a boomer, but I was never a member of an union. I actually made a lot more than union members (minus the union members of unions that represent pro athletes). And caring about your family is what money is all about: providing for them.

[@matty9460]

@@johnmartin4641 you probably live in a rich majority white area. Shielded from the effects of international finance capitalism, it's single markets, and free movement

[@9cross]

Of course restoration is tangible. Look at old brutalist buildings built in the mid-20th century being torn down and replaced by classic buildings.

[@Nikki.H]

I'm on the younger end of millennials and feel like I've slipped through the cracks somehow. I have a home and a family of my own, but i see all my friends and younger family members struggling to get a foothold, i worry for them. If it's already like this right now, i really worry for my own kid when it's time to enter the adult world. I'm a European millennial and more left, so home ownership and having a family hasn't affected my political choices in that regard.

[@goncalocarneiro3043]

Lucky, lucky! I wished more people had such a fate. Having a home and a family that are both good, presumably.

[@emiliofedez4960]

You're lucky dude. Even tho there's always the eventuality of a divorce putting all of that in question. I think that's the reason why most young people don't have kids. If a divorce can easily take children away, why having them? If you don't plan to have kids, why marry? If you don't want to marry, why buy a house? If you don't want to buy an house, why work so much?

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

@@emiliofedez4960 Most people are not concerned with potential divorces. A common answer I see from younger people and millennials as to why they won't start a family are three things: - affordability - suitable housing - not enough time to settle down How can people start a family if they can't even find a "nest"? Answer, they just won't. Look to Japan if you want a clearer picture. Their government is always begging young people to have kids, yet they won't restructure their society to allow people the time and space necessary to do so, and now they are teetering on a population collapse because they won't allow mass immigration. Our economies prioritize productivity over individual well-being, and it's killing our societies by way of a thousand cuts.

[@johnmartin4641]

I’m not sure about Europe, but here in America, study after study has shown that millennials and Gen Z were less likely than any other generation in history to prioritize pay and benefits when choosing their careers. The millennials and Gen Z I know that differ from their generation by actually prioritizing pay and benefits are doing fine. Sounds like you were one of the millennials that made good career choices and the others you know did not make good choices.

[@SPTSuperSprinter156]

@@johnmartin4641 if prioritising pay makes you miserable then it's a lousy goal. I wouldn't do that just for the end goal of owning more stuff, because I feel that's missing the whole point. Not saying it is always like that, but my last job became such a pain and overloaded with responsibility and all for just a bit of extra pay. I am perfectly happy to earn less and be less stressed, even if it means I don't get to own as much stuff. It's easy to lose sight of what's important when so many people think having a "good" career and owning as much as you can is the only end game.

[@DashCamSheffield]

Born in 1985. Saw the recession in 1992. Fuel Strikes in 2000. 9/11 in 2001. The 'Boom' of the mid 2000's with the heavy recession of 2008 which lasted a long time with a 2nd dip in 2012. Had the Brexit vote of 2016. 2020 with COVID and leaving the EU, and now we're in a cost of living crisis. Add the constant unlikable acts of Politicians to boot. (2nd homes, duck castles, COVID parties, optician trips, etc) Its easy to be disconnected, as we've seen constant downs while things like housing spiral upwards. The high end conservatives are generally unlikeable and unrelatable, and the voters are seen as stupid and ignorant for ignoring the acts of them. So why would people want to be be one?

[@m4yh3m121]

Because people are stupid and can easily be manipulated by MSM and Social Media, it's farcical

[@Captain-Chats]

Lol yep our generation has been shafted 🤦

[@stonecoldsteveaustin2095]

How did 9/11 affect Britain, especially the Conservative Party?

[@barryboom717]

@@stonecoldsteveaustin2095 I think they were just mentioning the things that have come to pass in their lifetime. There's no need to give them a "Stone Cold" Stunner for it Steve.

[@Flutesrock8900]

@@stonecoldsteveaustin2095 9/11 may have been an attack on a single country, but it changed the entire world.

[@lexslate2476]

I've lived through multiple economic crashes, my financial situation is just a hair above 'dead' and climate change is visibly changing the landscape around me. I've also seen basically every conservative party I know of take deliberate shots at scapegoating demographics among which I count myself, and numerous friends. The level of hostility I feel for conservatives cannot be put in to words, at least not without risking a violation of youtube's terms of service

[@DP-co8ro]

Yet you are needlessly using a energy using electric device criticizing conservatives about climate change. You as a westerner use 16 times more energy consumption than someone in a developing country. Your conservative hatred is just a manifestation of having to create a repressor to justify your unhappiness in life.

[@lexslate2476]

@@DP-co8ro "You claim that society has problems, and yet you participate in society! Aha! I have proven you wrong and am clearly very smart!" Was that what you meant to say? Go be completely fucking useless somewhere else.

[@brandonf177]

Strongly agree, I feel your pain friend

[@Elemblue2]

They do monstrous things behind the scenes too, at least at this current period in time.

[@firstnamepea7367]

@@Elemblue2 they do it out in the open in the US.

[@TenebrusI07]

Its hard to be conservative if you have nothing to conserve

[@scottgrey3337]

Even more than just the failure of Conservatives to address issues that younger generations consider critical, is said parties’ response to younger voters. Every difficulty is written off as us being dumb, entitled, or just poor planners. Where older generations got assistance (even indirectly), we get told to suck it up. And when we decide that the parties that have done nothing to help us don’t deserve our vote, the outright hostility conservatives show us is disgusting. They did this to themselves, and they have no one else to blame if they’ve lost an entire generation to their actions.

[@9cross]

The problem is the older generations are living longer and they aren't passing the wealth down. The boomers didn't get everything handed to them. The boomers got fucked, too. The draft was worse than anything millennials have gone through.

[@Dummigame]

they'll also lose genZ

[@JosephParker7]

@@DummigameThey've already lost Gen Z. Although there's been a bit of a shift in their political views cuz of the gender war and influence of folks like Tate, who implicitly promote conservative values, which is disappointing. But the majority is still left leaning

[@zues121510]

As a Gen Z person, I'm very afraid of what the future holds for me after Uni. I would say I've started being informed about UK politics from quite a young age (early-mid secondary school) due to the internet, and I have never witnessed the Tory government do anything but be incompetent and greedy. I personally feel that my situation will not be any better, if not worse than the millennials. Also there is a significant group of those that go to my very left wing university who only barely have a bit more faith in Labour than the Tories, and they see the two parties as the same thing. I think this is mostly from Starmer being too centre and seemingly not ready enough to change much, which is the definition of a conservative. Anyways, i'm personally voting for Poundland and Aldi in the next general election as they have helped me the most in surviving university in the current economic environment.

[@Rottot]

fr aldi is my father figure

[@chrissmith3587]

He’s got to be elected most people just want a stable moral government, I don’t want radical change I just want the fires put out You got to play the game, better to vote starmer and have a centre left party than split the vote Also would vote Aldi

[@paulgibbon5991]

@@chrissmith3587 People say Starmer is boring--for me, that's a merit. I don't WANT an exciting and dramatic government, I want something that will quietly and competently run things.

[@nathandts3401]

@@chrissmith3587 No such thing as stability until we get radical change. You've probably heard the phrase, "late-stage capitalism." We're in the endgame; wealth inequality only gets worse and there's no new invention that's going to revolutionise our productivity like the computer did. It either ends in mass starvation, violent revolution or a political shift that directly redistributes wealth and sets an income cap. I don't feel Starmer is going to have any bearing on the number of food banks that are needed for the working class in the country.

[@chrissmith3587]

@@paulgibbon5991 if I could like this twice I would I once had an argument with a person who tried to run for a uni SU position (and failed) for a full hour. It was that she couldn’t comprehend what she was asking for was impossible and was so set in her beliefs that she couldn’t understand I just want someone who could listen to advisors, not steal anything and try to do a good job

[@taipizzalord4463]

No one thinks that the Neoliberal growth model works anymore. Housing is the single biggest issue for anyone under 50.

[@toyotaprius79]

100%

[@jakeroper1096]

Definitely works for anyone not living downtown metropolitan. You are too poor to live where you want, you need to move. Not bend well working systems just because it’s not giving the outcome you want. What an idiot.

[@pootincopes]

​@@jakeroper1096 lol

[@mqxogames]

@@jakeroper1096 Now granted here, I’m Irish, so our housing climate is somewhat different to the UK. However, it is not financially feasible to live somewhere an hour away from the city centre in Dublin unless you have at least 2 people working above minimum wage. I know this because I had to move from Dublin 11, which is ages out from the city centre, to County Roscommon, in the West. Even here, the cost of living is an issue, it’s not a matter of where you live because a lot of the cost stays the same- heating, electricity, food, water, etc. and most people don’t make enough to cover all these bills without seriously rationing on today’s typical wages.

[@jonesyjones7626]

Which is not helped by increasing the population by approaching one million people per year. House builders cannot keep up with that demand.

[@amarinreyny5316]

The apparent increase in right-wing political leanings associated with age has less to do with age-related life experiences, and more to do with survivorship bias. Those who are most aware of the problems caused by the status quo are usually the ones who have the most experience with having to personally deal with those problems, and thus are also less likely to live as long as the more privileged members of their respective generations. This also explains why Millennials aren't becoming more conservative, because even relatively very privileged Millennials are suffering firsthand experiences with the status quo not just having problems, but catastrophically failing on a consistent basis, even if their relative privilege means that they're less effected by these failures than Millennials from marginalized communities.

[@ccsleepy8342]

There’s more to it. Millennials grew up with the internet. They’re better informed and more in touch.

[@janitoalevic]

Have consumed more propaganda*

[@ccsleepy8342]

@@janitoalevic Perhaps but that's only because they have more access to information. That includes the information to counter propaganda. Previous generations subject to propaganda often didn't hear opposing viewpoints. Hence they were poorly informed compared to millennials and generations after.

[@janitoalevic]

@@ccsleepy8342 true

[@cmdrskyrunner6122]

I think one of the biggest problems in our country started when people decided houses/homes were a commodity not an essential part of living. It should be illegal to own more then 1 House. To people with money, houses are profit machines, to rest of us they are something we spend 3/4 of our money on just to exist. How can it be right that we pay more a month in rent then a mortgage costs but can't get a mortgage!

[@hogg8984]

Nothing wrong with people buying rentals so they can have a nest egg at retirement. A lot less risky than a pension. I somewhat agree on should be a able to have a mortgage if you can pay rent, but remember when you’re renting you don’t have to pay if the roof caves in. You need savings if you own property.

[@BittersweetMayhem]

@Hogg89 yes but lanlords buy all the cheap property and rent it so all that is left is the 250k places and that isnt for first time buyers

[@sebastienholmes548]

The problem is that law and regulations make difficult to build new homes.

[@rossatkinson8621]

@@sebastienholmes548 that’s a talking point conservatives like to bring out despite housing companies owning land they admit they won’t build on because it will reduce house prices

[@Wulture]

@@sebastienholmes548 we need to HEAVILY tax vacant properties. That would make it a priority for property owners to find occupants and thus drive rent prices down from the insanity they are currently at

[@samjo3337]

I’m glad that we are being heard after years of making noise and being called “snowflakes”. There is truth to what we were saying all along

[@stanstrum]

I feel the same. I was beginning to chalk it up as a wash but this is a refreshing topic to hear about.

[@paulgibbon5991]

The term for millions of snowflakes is "avalanche".

[@prinz4279]

@@paulgibbon5991 This is a great statement, I might just use this someday.

[@ErikUden]

Always has been. I hope the UK government can finally fall LMAO it's been a bad, but long, run.

[@Wulture]

@@ErikUden US and UK governments completely and utterly collapsing would be karma. I understand it means deaths and hardship to hundreds of millions of people and total global chaos. But as countries no one can say they havent earned it.

[@damonchampion823]

I’m 43, Gen X and with the Millennials 100%. Conservative policies are out of touch and unsustainable for people and planet

[@9cross]

This constant race baiting and fear mongering by the left is doing wonders. I was born in 1996 and have lived in a dominant left wing culture my whole life. Everyone in my generation is terrified. Sure the right wins a lot of elections, but the culture is dominated by the left. That's why people are afraid.

[@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356]

leftards are fascists

[@PrimeroVorian1]

The tide won't turn. If someone starts a family at 38-42 will struggle for all his/her life. They won't have a ''vacation'' period like the previous generations. This will result in a forever grudge against conservatives.

[@hkmarhk]

I'm a millennial (34 y.o.) I used to be voting for the Conservative Party consistently as I was influenced by my boomer father who is a conservative. Ironically I think what makes me more "left leaning" is my father. He basically demonstrated to me that a lot of the modern day conservatives are crazy, outraged by the smallest of things and believe in the most ridiculous things on the internet. On top of that, I can now see the moral hazard of choosing people who don't believe in government to govern. If something bad happens, they can just blame the government and not take any responsibility.

[@valdencorr2861]

what you said makes zero logical sense, it's clear you have some deep rooted resentments towards your father and voting against his political ideas is a way to lash out at him.

[@hkmarhk]

@@valdencorr2861 Yeah, you are partly right that I turn left leaning because of my resentment to what my father has become. I just don't want to be the person who is hateful and becomes triggered by the smallest of things. I also become wiser as I become older. I used to believe that the Conservatives are fiscally responsible and their main goal is to reduce government deficits. However, I realized that they are just as fiscally irresponsible as the left. The left uses borrowed money to fund/expand welfare programs like health care whereas the right uses borrowed money for tax cuts and increase military spending. At the end of the day, the amount of government debt is still going to grow regardless of whether the left or right is in power. It all comes down to whether you want the money to help the regular folks like me and you or big business and rich people.

[@mmgs1148]

Literally most people i see spreading conspiracies are conservatives. Also hypocrites - fearing that gays will SA children while turning a blind eye on SA in catholic church f.e. The pope that died recently has a case against him in Germany, he was covering up child SA scandals while being a Bishop. He confessed. And he was ultra conservative.

[@colmcgillveray1010]

Sorry about your Dad, mate.

[@colmcgillveray1010]

@@hkmarhk Mate, don't listen to him, he is literally Literally a fat mouth breathing hillbilly shitkicker.

[@kalebdaark100]

You covered most of the thoughts I've had with this except one. The Silent Gen. are living a lot longer than their parents did and the Boomers are likely going to live longer still. That's a lot of assets not getting churned over into the following generations. Then, assuming their wealth isn't eaten up with some kind of medical expenses, any inheritance is likely going to a generation that's retiring or retired. The back end of life when you just need enough money to live and make yourself comfortable as opposed to earlier in life where you would be using money to build a family/business/life. Just a thought.

[@0x777]

Up until my generation, GenX, we had at the very least a chance to have it better than our parents. I'm pretty much middle of GenX, my father is quite rightfully the center of a the Baby Boomer, and he is a boomer poster child. Me first and gimmegimme. I'm already a lucky one in my generation. I happen to have a skill that's very sought after and I have a good job. That's by far not a given for my generation anymore. And that graph pretty much reflects that. Some of my generation were winners, many others weren't. We could have it better than our parents, but it was by far no longer a given, as it was before. Anyone coming past us has it harder and harder to even break even. In my generation, not having a college degree could work out, with a bit of luck. Millennials and on, don't even think about it. You'll start your life with a mountain of college debt, and that in turn means that your credit rating is already shot before you even start trying to compete. You will never own anything. You will not qualify for a mortgage, you will not qualify for a loan, you will not qualify for jack shit. Even if you do have a great job. Your job will be eating your college debt 'til you're 40. And then you might want to ponder starting a life. By then, the boomer were already settled in. Hell, I'm pushing 50 and I'm "done" with my financial life. I'm good, I won. You, younger cohorts, never will. So why the hell would you become conservative? You have bugger all to "conserve".

[@kalebdaark100]

@@0x777 I'm a Gen X myself and judging from what you've said, a little older and a little less of a winner. Your observations seem to fit with my own. Just one thing to add to your point about education (maybe just a clarification). I've noticed employers requiring applicants for a job to have higher qualifications than they really need for the job in a way that they didn't when i was younger. This traps people into accumulating debt just so they can get started. Lastly to my original point, may i ask how old your grandparents were when they died?

[@0x777]

@@kalebdaark100 True, the requirements for jobs are insane. They want college degrees for what's effectively a secretary position. Part of that is certainly that everyone and their dog is now trying to somehow squeeze through college and those that don't manage are usually not even fit to have a high school diploma. So it's a self-perpetuating problem, everyone who can actually read and write will try for a college degree, which also means anyone who doesn't have one probably is also not really qualified for that secretary position... My grandparents were in their 80s when they died, my great-grandmother was almost 100. My family tends to get old.

[@kalebdaark100]

@@0x777 it would seem your family does get old. My grandparents died in their 60s. My parents are still alive and functioning, if slower than they used to in their 80s and 90s.

[@tiptoptonic]

Also you underestimate how many boomers are "unlocking" (remortgaging) / selling assets to continue to fund their lifestyles and start to pay for health and social care as they begin their decline during retirement. Wealthy boomers will skip the queue with NHS Care and social care as long as they can fund it. There will be assets left but far reduced than what is anticipated.

[@Earthlybeing396]

The older I get the more I try to learn as much as possible. All age groups need to sit down and educate themselves about the issues that their country faces, not just whatever group they conform to.

[@Earthlybeing396]

@@chrisblue4652 Affordability is the biggest issue in our society but its not a reason to not learn a thing or two in your free time. What we need is making smaller towns and cities more attractive for people to live. In big cities affording houses has always been an issue (and always will be) the higher a population the less likely single family housing will exist let alone be affordable to the average person.

[@Earthlybeing396]

@@chrisblue4652 When did I say the whole issue is because of individual laziness? If small towns are emptying for a reason then the focus should be improving that location. When people move from their hometown to a big city, how is that big city their community? Affordability is an issue that can be improved and one of the ways of doing so is moving to a more affordable city. Why change a big city when people can move to a smaller one?

[@jasonwismer2670]

Likely because what is considered conservative today is far right.

[@varcoliciulalex]

In the boomer graph line you can identify the 2008 financial crisis.

[@komojiro7397]

Weird because the republican fat cats caused this

[@houseplant1016]

@@komojiro7397 😂😂😂

[@Anankin12]

@@komojiro7397 yep but the boomers don't know that

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@houseplant1016 they did it was specifically deregulation done by Reagen and Thatcher

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

@@komojiro7397 So true!

[@wyattjosh283]

The exact same trend is occurring in Australia. House prices really do appear to be the biggest issue. Young people simply can't afford houses like their parents could and yet the conservative government we had from 2013 - 2022 did nothing to help. Over that time prices only got higher and wages did jack shit.

[@TheKazragore]

And now nobody wants to do anything to make housing _actually_ more affordable because so many people put their hands into the greed pot of property wealth that it would be extremely politically difficult to make the changes that needed to happen.

[@VallenChaosValiant]

@@TheKazragore It would be sorted out one way or another, you can't have valuable homes unless people actually buy them. The plan was to count on wealthy Chinese, but there is only so many of them.

[@Starcraftmazter]

The Labor government we had before that far from helped as well, nor will the current one...

[@santaclaws1501]

@@Starcraftmazter the labor government we had before hand stopped us going into recession during 2008.

[@redengineerfromtf2thatisan136]

Housing wouldn't be as big of a problem if the government (both lib or labor) would drop the immigration rates down to 40-60k. we can't handle the amount of people that immigrate each year (for example we need many more hospitals and schools then we currently have) + the environmental damage caused by more people showing up will put many species into endangerment for extinction

[@rwrunning1813]

I'm an American in my early 20s. From the perspective of the US, I'll be far left forever. This country has a lot of catching up to do. We don't even get to vote labour.

[@9cross]

US is more left than UK.

[@whiterunguard3246]

I’m in my mid 20s and far right and planning to move to USA

[@Kathlanus]

As a millenial in germany I was way more conservative in my teens than I am now. With 16 years of conservative government in the last 18 years. Why? Same as everyone. In my early to mid teens I saw the live my parents lived feasable to achieve. But everyday it drifted further away.

[@idraote]

When I was born, more than fifty years ago, there was this expectation that I would lead a better life than my parents. I got a university education - my parents didn't - but soon the first of many economic crises struck. Currently I lead a decent life with a decent job but I am living no better than my parents did. I see many people in their thirties who don't have a stable employment and thirty is about the average age you marry and start building a family... which many of those people are NOT doing. The minimum-wage full-time workers get wages that do not cover the rent, especially not in large cities where jobs are. Entry level wages are slightly above rents and are still not enough so most younger people need to either live with their parents or share ugly flats with two or more other people.

[@maccagrabme]

Trouble is they have to make it through the next 40-50 years and wont be able to guarantee they can keep the same profession as A.I and robots will be joining the workforce, plus all those newcomers will be upskilling at some point so you will be competing with them and their offspring for limited resources and just who is going to pay those rents when people are too old or ill to work? Lets see how 2030 goes first when everything is reset.

[@ActualCharky]

Worth noting that plenty of the people not "marrying and starting a family" are doing so entirely of their own accord.

[@trapical]

Five years ago my monthly rent was $900/month and my salary was $15 an hour. Today my exact same apartment charges me $1500/month, and my salary is $16 an hour. "This is fine"

[@shawnjavery]

As someone who's just graduated college, it really doesn't feel like I have any improved prospects because of it, its incredibly depressing. I'm going to be 25 next month and had to move back in with my parents, i feel under qualified for every job I apply for and its shit. I don't think I've gotten more liberal over time, the universities were utterly incompetent, but I don't have any sympathy towards the conservative parties either, in my case the Republicans. More of a leaning towards populism if anything, that or I have half a mind to just say fuck it and live the rest of my life as a homeless person.

[@goldenoodles6281]

@@ActualCharky well yes, but also you would decide to not start a family and buy a home when you are earning enough

[@PalmtreeWpg]

I heard it suggested once that one of the reasons for older people "becoming" more conservative is in fact due to a significant number of the left leaning members of their generation tending to die younger due to various factors including poorer health outcomes for those less wealthy etc.

[@goblincookie5233]

That would imply that wealth strongly predicts leftvsright alignment to begin with.

[@ytpanda398]

@@goblincookie5233 Was interested in how strong a predictor wealth is. From what papers I found and read it seems that studies into this are more likely to find strong relations around about 99th percentile or close to that. Below that it seems more ambivalent. Struggled to find any really good data with good visualisations though. Then again, I am not a sociologist

[@goblincookie5233]

@@ytpanda398 I am fairly sure that wealth predicts political alignment far more weakly than people think. I think that wealth has a centreing effect on both sides, with the richer supporters of both left and right being more moderate than the poorer ones. Might just be on the right though.

[@jackoh991]

@@goblincookie5233 in my experience what matters is how rich your parents were. Rich people born into rich are right wing, rich people born into working class families are left wing

[@goblincookie5233]

@@jackoh991 That is a common belief that makes sense but is it true? There are plenty of right-wing poor people around, the difference is that they tend to be Fascists. I feel poverty only predicts extremism and maybe only on the right.

[@jeffafa3096]

I'm a millennial, and I am very much a left-wing voter. And among all my friends I see a lot of other left-wing voters. However, I don't think it has much to do with home ownership or having children. I have a pretty decent salary, can rent a multi-room apartment, and have no desire to have children. A lot of my friends are in a similar situation. I think it has far more to do with an international oriented focus. We've all seen so much misery and suppression in the world, and we've seen a lot of beautiful words from conservatives, but never any change. Millennials know their way around the internet, are generally well informed of the state of the world, and probably don't attribute home ownership or family values solely to conservatives anymore. Gen Z is following the same trend of being more leftist. Conservatives are on a losing path, because young people see scandal after scandal, and hear a lot of beautiful talk but see no action. Young people are simply fed up with conservative BS, and see through it more and more often.

[@RTR_87]

Well said! I would add the fact that republicans literally don’t have any policy ideas. It’s all culture war nonsense and hatred. A drag queen reading a book to some kids doesn’t affect me at all. We’re not buying the fear mongering.

[@isengrom6883]

Happening in the US rn. It’s happening in such great number some loons are suggesting we need to raise the voting age to 21. Personally I rather lower the voting age to 16. At 16 you are basically an adult and you’ll see the consequences of political decisions in your life time

[@bluedesks6629]

I agree, If you can get a job and pay taxes at 16 then you should be able to vote

[@nickbrown4175]

Something I heard somewhere was 'People don't get more conservative, what conservative is gets more liberal.' And that, recently, conservative parties have stopped doing that, and just dug in their heels to appeal to older voters more.

[@hannah60000]

True. In some aspects modern conservative ideas over the past century have taken on liberal ideas (classical liberal, neo-liberalism, etc) and made them their own. Meanwhile, the so-called liberals have become simply “left-wing” and socially liberal/liberal socialists.

[@rwrunning1813]

Yes. That's what the GOP has done, and a decreasing number of people will be on board with it. Staying in the 1950s-80s doesn't work for everyone.

[@ameliabrittain158]

Roe v Wade has made that painfully clear to me.

[@andrewgreeb916]

They haven't dug in that far

[@nickhughes8179]

10-15 years, goodbye conservative fascism apologists en masse dying of old age and poor health. COVID knocked off a large chunk of their voters, time will finish their movement and they know it, hence why these conservatives support Putin, they hope his war of aggression and nuclear threats can embolden them to fight to wield similar power, Jan 6 was the American fascist Kristallnacht, but now we see this 4th reich in its fetal stage and the abortion is coming.

[@greenredblue]

Yes it's a truism that "people get more conservative as they get older," but there's even more problems with that idea than the ones you mentioned. 538 reported on a few studies a while back that there's a fair amount of evidence to suggest that people's politics in certain areas tend not to change at all as they age, but rather what counts as the median slowly shifts over time. If true, this would mean that a sudden leftward shift in any demographic is anomalous, and actually a *much* bigger deal.

[@steggopotamus]

Good point. I'll try to look into that.

[@darkerthangray]

interesting, do you still have sources for that

[@andrewgreeb916]

I'd argue this is the left running off and leaving anyone who didn't chase them on the right side.

[@anyasea10739]

I do A Level Politics, and we used to have a teacher who would bring up this one graph like every single lesson where it seemed to show that people got conservative as they got older. I said ‘well… isn’t that just because older people were raised in a more socially conservative time’ and he was like ‘no it’s because when you get older you have more private property to protect!!1!1!’

[@dodojesuswg3089]

My main reason, why I am not conservative, is that I don't believe that conservative ideas won't change the world to something better than now. I want to have a house, a good job and a nice car, but I am sure we can't solve the problems of the next 100 years with the solutions of the paat 50 years...

[@ragerancher]

Most generations worked hard to try to ensure their children could have a better life than they did. The boomers in particular were what they claim to hate (lazy, selfish youths) who lived their youth at a time of greatly increasing liberalism but, as soon as they got to the top, they pulled the ladder up after them. Rather than trying to make sure the next generation got all the opportunities they had, they took every measure to hoard their gains, reduce the opportunities they had when they were younger and continued to benefit themselves. Then to rub salt in the wounds, they paid for their own excesses and dumped the debt onto the next generation. They complain about everyone else being selfish yet they have benefited at the expense of both the generations before and after. When their time came to shoulder the burden, they didn't want to know.

[@juliuskresnik198]

We must be better when we are in their position.

[@ragerancher]

@@juliuskresnik198 Unfortunately we won't be in their position until they die off and we inherit a fraction of the wealth. Millennials aren't seeing levels of wealth suitable to keep a family comfortably until well into their 40s or 50s because of how much wealth has been hoarded by the generation before and not worked its way through the economy. Some boomers even have the nerve to make out they are doing us a big favour by giving us large inheritances. Oh fantastic, so you got 50 years or so benefit from it and we don't see the benefit until we are more than half way to retirement ourselves? Even then a huge chunk of that inheritance in many cases will go straight to the government in tax. The government will get a nice windfall to fund services the boomers refused to fund properly. I think Millennials may be remembered as the new forgotten generation, wealth and benefit skip straight from the boomers to those after us.

[@toyotaprius79]

100% 🔥💀 And off to work we go again because there's nothing left in this society.

[@toyotaprius79]

@@juliuskresnik198get real. There's no wealth left when it (rents) goes into speculative stocks, and there's definitely not going to be a stable climate which rich economies relied on for decades upon decade.

[@fuzzlewit9]

Spot on. They had fully funded NHS free from profiteering, they had council homes at capped rates, which aided affordable house prices for those wanting to own a home (as there was no shortage of housing and less private landlords ripping people off), they had free higher education, state owned utilities running not for profit services, but then Tories and Tory Lite New Labour came in and took it all away in the name of profit for the wealthy. It all needs reversing back to where it was. The current model makes money for people like Richard Branson, but it does nothing for the people.

[@eligoldman9200]

I’m literally hearing people tell me I have to get into stock broking on the side just to not be homeless when I retire. There are no more pensions. I don’t know anyone under 60 that has one. As a gen Z I see this magic before time where everyone had wrath and access to a house and a family as a fairy tale. I feel like the social expectation of leaving at 18 buying a house by 24 and having kids by 26-28 is an expectation that doesn’t exist for gen Z. Everyone just kinda gets that things are fucked and we’ll be poor. But I’m chilling. I got enough money to get by and a plan to secure myself. The conservatives here are crazier for a much different reason.

[@docken11]

Concise, simple and excellent summary. Not easy to do! Well done.

[@rhythmicmusicswap4173]

Lol when you are in middle school and thanks to the recession adults tell you to forget about hope for the future , to forget about having a rewarding job, owing an house and let alone a retirement it shouldn't be a surprise you can't be a conservative because you have nothing to preserve 🤣

[@gardenpop]

With the whole conservative as you get older thing, I'd largely place the place the reason for it on two factors. The ideals of the generation slowly become the norm therefore becoming the status quo and norm, and how older people become more entrenched in the system, and so its best for them to prevent any change that could remove them from it. These two factors differ for millenials, as largely they have been kept from gaining a stable footing in power, as at every turn they largely are pushed out by the economy, politics, and power circles. They are largely still fighting for things the previous generations had at the same age. There are many reasons for that, but its widely true. This is also due in part to the epansion of life spans allowing for older folk to live longer and have more say, this is why we never saw older presidents like Biden in the past. This same phenomenon is also in part a reason why their "Liberal" agenda hasn't succeeded, and why their ideas are still considered liberal instead of moving into or changing to the new norm and thus becoming conservative.

[@jillybe1873]

I think it's coz you get money.

[@gardenpop]

@@jillybe1873 Like I said getting intrenched in the system.

[@InternetMameluq]

'The ideals of the generation slowly become the norm therefore becoming the status quo and norm' No they don't. Google hippies. And then look at boomers today. Far out, man.

[@darthwiizius]

People over analyse these charts without talking to a single psychiatrist. It's primarily to do with fear, as people age they become more susceptible to fear which leads to greed and lower empathy for people outside your own small social group. "Family values" are just about playing upon fear of potential loss, whether that be loss of life or loss of members from your "like minded" little social circle to other "scary" circles that think differently it still stokes the fear side of the brain. Foreigners are outside your circle so they are to be feared. New wealth is different to yours so is to be feared. The young have different aspirations to you so they are to be feared. This is why the reich wing uses fear based rhetoric to trigger the emotion in older more susceptible members of the population, if it didn't work they wouldn't rely on it 100% of the time since the dawn of civilisation itself.

[@danielwebb8402]

So same sex marriage / adoption isn't now the new norm? There are lots of areas the liberal agenda is becoming laws.

[@KwizzyDaAwesome]

As a millennial, the fact that I'm irritated at the phrase "homeownership" to refer to someone with a mortgage, I.e. someone with a rent-to-own relationship with the bank with a perk of keeping some of the home's increase in value and a few more legal protections than a tenant, probably tells you all you need to know.

[@Budha75]

In the last ten years, there wasn't some increase in value. Prices have often doubled. That is a huge increase in wealth.

[@ChasmChaos]

@@Budha75 what is "wealth", honestly? Some imaginary number tied to a house caused by easy-to-get loans and heavily restricted housing supply? The rules of the game are so severely rigged. Capitalism and efficient markets are supposed to reduce prices, right?

[@Billy-fo1hq]

Budha’s right. We kind of missed a big opportunity. Especially now we see the interest rate hike, you take the free money they used to give us for granted. Of course, getting that deposit, like for myself, was either extremely difficult or impossible

[@ActualCharky]

It's called homeownership because your name is on the deed. Legally, it is your house. You've just taken out a loan to pay for it- so the bank gets to keep that deed as insurance, and gets to keep the house as collateral if you default.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

It means that nobody can put up the rates or tell you that you have a month to vacate the property just vecause they feel like it. It means you can decorate and extend the property as you see fit, subject to planning laws. Over years you put blood sweat and tears into the maintenence and improvement of your own house and you feel entirely different about your home vs if you rented it. There are many benefits to buying.

[@doujinflip]

It seems like the split is around age 40, after which is about the time when the internet became an integral part of our studies and careers instead of a transition to learn and adapt to. The internet accelerated changes that hollowed out more than a few stable traditional occupations, made hierarchies feel less needed, and provides an overwhelming wealth of information to find and analyze. Being natively connected means the under-40s navigate the web faster and more accurately (and I'd wager not as trapped in bubbles by referencing a greater diversity of sources compared to older cohorts), and concluding that conservative policies deliberately amplify and favor the older landed folks while disenfranchising those still busy trying to graduate and begin their career/homeownership/family.

[@dirtycommie2877]

I'm not British but I'm a Millennial in my mid-30s. What has been evident with all my friends and former classmates from uni is how much more "conservative" we WERE in our early 20s than we are in our 30s. It is true that with our generation in particular, we are MORE left-leaning than we were in our youth. And this is for obvious reasons that hardly require a comment.

[@jas1007]

I agree with your experiences. I knew I was drifting more conservative in my 20s, but that shifted in my 30s and now I am probably more leftish than I was in my teens.

[@Hevach]

As an American, our local conservatives have pretty heavily abandoned the two traditional points that the video addresses. American children are utterly sold up the river by ever more quiet part out loud conservatives who have embraced school violence, poor education, and sex crimes against minors as their team sport, and even wealth maintenance is only driven as a fuck you got mine mechanism for those older generations. As our generation turns it's eyes to having families and building a life the politics that once appealed to that thing are actively hostile to it. I only know what UK politics makes it to our screens but from what does it seems like the conservatives there are a couple Columbines and a Sandy Hook away from the same.

[@matthewparker9276]

I've seen these graphs for the US, UK, and AUS, and all show the same story of millennials not getting more conservative as they get older. Though all these countries do share cultural similarities, so it would be interesting to see this analysis for other countries as well.

[@nlpnt]

I'd like to see that too, given what the three countries have in common (and Australia was Patient Zero of), is there a "Murdoch effect" where the policies his press has plumped for have driven young voters away.

[@Marylandbrony]

From what i can tell from my Dad's side of the Family, my Silent generation Grandmother is slightly left leaning. My dad and his two siblings are either ok with Trump republicanism if not outright Trumpists and the kids are all over the place. I am the only partisan Democrat on his side. My mom's side which are all upper middle class however seem to be less political overall but mostly moderates and favor the establishment wings of the parties.

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

@@doubtingthomas136 Most young people i know are quite right wing in the UK, the issue is we don't have a real right wing party to vote for. Our supposedly right wing party keeps making anti free speech laws, does nothing to stop mass immigration, has raised taxes etc etc. There's plenty of right wing millennials with no party to vote for, we have the useless Tories

[@tenaciousdean6179]

That's because the whole world is going to shit unfortunately. House prices in the US and AUS are just as, if not even more insane than here in many places

[@zix_zix_zix]

US and UK are similar culturally?? I don't think so.. And to answer you question, this is the era of POPULISM in Europe (mostly of the right-wing type), and millennials usually are easy targets of that political plague...

[@SteveWhipp]

Gen X here. I'm progressive in my social thinking and consider any natural monopoly (energy, water, transport, education and health) to be too valuable to the future of the nation to have it profit driven. For everything else a well regulated market with emphasis on consumer, worker and ecological rights would suffice. Over the last 40 years, I've seen us move to become somewhat more socially progessive but a LOT more neo-libral in our economy for very little benifit to our nation as a whole.

[@Lee_303]

You know when something is profit driven, they cut corners on the staff. They get more greedy too. Shareholders become more important than the people doing the work. This grows into a business model of greedy corporates crying like babies for mummy's milk. It's pathetic.

[@taylorlynn2522]

Sadly current leadership is unlikely to change, so this trend will continue for some time.

[@miras2222]

maybe here is the trick : deflecting public disscussion engaging peoples' minds and attention around divasive cultural progressive vs conservative issues, keeping people busy fighting for gender rights, pronunces, imigration, racism, who is man or woman etc, - at the same time quietly, behind the scene, away from public attention, changing the laws, economy and wealfare /healthcare system, privatizing natural supplies water, food and energy to benefit the rich rullers/owners of this word, make the rich tycoons richer and rest of us poorer, eliminating middle class, creating the two-class society of very rich owners/controlers and poor servants/workers with no economical rights, fully controlled slaves who could freely change their gender but won't be able to own the house and feed their kids, working 60 hours per week for a bowl of rice.

[@sabinehahn9774]

I think the model of the "Soziale Marktwirtschaft" of the fifties and sixties of last century in Germany was actually a quite good model. But the times were easier - for Germany it only could go up. Sadly it seems we always are only able to act once a catastrophe has happened - be it war, be it climate change, be it mass extinction - we rarely seem to be able to make decisions to prevent it from happening in the first place.

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

Non existant natural monopolies? I mean maybe energy and water, even transport to a degree. But education and health? Who told you those are"natural monopolies"?

[@antonyware9887]

I’m 69, have a family and an extended family with whom I meet and communicate daily. I retired with a comfortable pension, ( occupational) and have a second home in France. I’ve become more left wing as I get older not less. I suppose if you’re politically engaged and not just a passive consumer of mainstream news and information you’re more likely to look beneath the surface for reasons as to why the world is as it is and not just accept the tripe the Guardian ( yuk), the BBC, and the Tabloids dish out

[@AngelaShawWestoven]

I'm 63 and will NEVER be conservative.

[@transtechgirl8786]

It always surprises me that this is a mystery to the Tories, seemed logical to me. The thing is, with a young and poor generation all those old people are going to find they will have a pretty bad retirement because no way this generation will be able to afford to house and care for them. Maybe old Tories will live to regret the disdain out right contempt they have treated my generation with.

[@transtechgirl8786]

@@Bertrum123 that's a beautiful and totally fictional version of history you have written there.

[@kgizzle92]

It’s a mystery because their media bubbles have told them we are this way because we are lazy and only care about pronouns…they actively ignored the alarms going off!

[@user-yj7ve5zv9n]

Aren't most tories fairly wealthy?

[@vickywilliams8320]

Be honest, you cant think either party can be trusted.

[@zefft.f4010]

@@vickywilliams8320 No, but one is clearly worse than the other.

[@johnleake5657]

I find this hard to believe. How can a party that seemed a year or two ago to want to return to the _imperial measurement system_ as policy not appeal to Millennials...?

[@0x777]

And to think they have the gall to call young people "aloof" and "disconnected from reality".

[@lonelyone69]

The absolute irony is that imperial measurement is now basically metric 😂

[@nielskorpel8860]

@@lonelyone69 That is the easy part. SI units have pegged themselves to constants of nature with exact definitions, largely unnoticed. That was a pretty similar move. But if we wanted to make those exact definitions more neat, now that would be the hard part because you are changing the words or what they mean in practice.

[@lonelyone69]

@@nielskorpel8860 that's why the organisation for weights an measurements exists in France. And why we stopped using these dumbass definitions of measurement. An inch being 3 grain of hard barley end to end is definitely batshit 😂

[@camcat26]

Owen Jones claimed in The Guardian that it’s because “conservative” has become a political euphemism for “cruel.”

[@empressmarowynn]

I grew up very conservative but once I got to university I started to lean left. Now that I'm almost 40 I would be considered extremely progressive (for an American) and I don't foresee myself sliding back into conservativism any time soon. I have many friends who've had this same experience.

[@pezvonpez]

"for an american" aren't americans generally one of the most progressive? though, also the most polarized it seems... but yeah, what country would you say is better?

[@tijmen5355]

​@@pezvonpez bro americans are generally extremely conservative economically.

[@pezvonpez]

@@tijmen5355 okay but why would you assume I'm talking about economics? I meant culturally

[@simplybelter]

I'm at the point in my life where I am considering starting a family. However we do not want to raise a child in the current climate - I remember my own upbringing and I always hoped my own progeny would have a better life. Our generation needs attention or birth rates will continue to decline. As far as I'm aware, we need young people to drive our economy and provide for our elder population.

[@fenukii]

Unless you increase immigration... 😬

[@rogerwoodhouse7945]

Birthrates are no longer important.We just import all the labour we need and the immigrants already here account for any increase in the birthrate anyway.

[@markwelch3564]

@fenukii even then, you need competitive wages and standard of living. If you're willing to leave your home nation for work, why would you move somewhere with expensive rents, struggling wages and poor services?

[@Hiforest]

We'll become more and more reliant on immigration, it's unavoidable.

[@jamesn0va]

@@markwelch3564 because its all still better than where you come from

[@BlackNomad1]

I feel like the snake graph animation team really wanted to stress how good their snake graph animation skillz are by continually showing the snake graph animation

[@xXNekou]

As a millenial I don't care about having a family, I don't want kids. Owning a house someday would be nice though. But for me what matters more is for people to feel equal and protected (I'm talking about women's rights, and LGBTQ+ rights), and for government to start caring more about our planet (hello, climate crisis?)

[@Zybran93]

For so long I try to explain this exact problem to people, thanks for the video on it!

[@ryan_lmao]

I, 17, will be of voting age by the next general election (unless one gets called early, which knowing this tory government, it will) and I have to say, this video resonates with me, and my entire family because over almost my entire lifetime we have been nothing but screwed by this tory government. My mum works for the emergency services, as an analyst for the police and we barely have enough to get by recently, with the energy crisis, cost of living amongst other things. Me and my older brother (19) have both got jobs as well as education and it still isn't always enough to get by. I am glad to see the left-wing support from my parents' generation, as it will greatly benefit us all, but especially the zoomer generation. we're screwed if not, because we are never going to be able to afford to buy a house, start a conventional family, and live a life that is somewhere above barely getting through it. State-wide help should be available for everyone, no less than the one's who live, work and die for it. This trend of millennials becoming more left wing will dramatically increase with my generation when they are able to vote, because of the things we've grown up through (the shambles of covid, failing education systems, economic downturn) but also because of social media outlining these failings and making my generation a lot more political aware and motivated than previous generations. I really hope we can oust this tory government and progress in this country for the betterment of each other, otherwise people of my generation will eventually find the motivation to live elsewhere, further sending the country into squalor.

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

Said the spider to the fly - "You've fallen for the trap."

[@ryan_lmao]

@@The_Phoenix_Saga bro is trying to be cryptic in a youtube comment section lmao

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

@@ryan_lmao if you find my words cryptic then that shows how little thought you gave before deciding to respond. "Bro is trying to be clever with a half baked remark." 😅 I'm almost embarrassed for you.

[@ryan_lmao]

@@The_Phoenix_Saga my guy it is 17 minutes to 1 in the morning i have been up since 6 at work and college of course i am not going to sit in my bed and think upon your comment and understand a deep meaning behind it. what trap am i supposed to have fallen for because of my upbringing and political stances?

[@The_Phoenix_Saga]

@@ryan_lmao and I've been working a 13 hour shift - bravo, welcome to the real world. Clearly you haven't enough time to read and contemplate, but sure seem to have enough time to mock and jeer while thinking you've won a point or two for a game that amounts to Jack. You clearly don't know much about what alternative to have as the system itself is designed to screw over everyone; whether it be Tory or Labour. The trap you've fallen for is to think you have a choice in this system and that by voting against the Tories that things are "magically going to be better."

[@heathercurry898]

This is very well said - quick to the point, non-judgmental, and an easy to read graph. Data dont lie.

[@TheFreeThinkingMan]

You missed a key aspect to why people tend to grow more conservative, less dopamine (feel-good hormone) is produced as we age, which makes us less open-minded and accepting of new things (music, movies, politics, etc). But that can certainly be mitigated by the many other factors you outline and I would agree have been.

[@JagoHazzard]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in a Conservative policy meeting. "Pandering to the far right has economically ruined our country, destroyed our reputation and threatened to tear the Conservative party apart. What ideas do we have?" "Could we... um... pander to the far right?" "No, no, we've established that that's not working any more. Any other ideas?" "Could we... what if... is there anything at all to be said for pandering to the far right some more?" "No." "Well, I'm all out of ideas."

[@jennyd255]

... and with any luck the Cons will then all be politically extinct before I die! (that's if I manage to make 80 or thereabouts)

[@PhysicsGamer]

It really is amazing how that seems to be the only tool in their toolbox nowadays. Their only options are whether or not to use it.