Why Neloth Is A GENIUS - Morrowind Telvanni Lore

[@bdd4556]

"Where is that lazy steward of mine? Varona! No, wait. She's dead. Drovas!" -Neloth

[@ts6603]

he is the funniest character ever

[@Yomasi]

No doubt the best quote in the game ;)

[@theawesomeone6856]

Then the Dragonborn dies from cringe.

[@ramblingentertained]

I would give you a like but you already got the perfect number

[@jamesbudd3096]

Yeah. I love his general Cockyness.

[@scrombat]

Why the Bandit that attacks you after you've just slain 2 dragons is a genius.

[@theblancmange1265]

He just killed 2 dragons. He must be tired.

[@joshuagraham5750]

The Blancmange is there is some logic there

[@SirConto]

And his equipment is bound to be good enough to fetch a good price.

[@IRUNASSULT]

You picked a bad time to get lost friend

[@Sputin]

Immersion breaking

[@space.gangsta1178]

7:00 So neloth will, unlike the rest of us, live long enough to see elder scrolls 6

[@Nastuf]

He will live long enough to see an bug free Elder Scrolls release.

[@InsertUsernameHere_a]

Remainder Sadly, no one will live enough to see that, not even the chad himself.

[@trinalgalaxy5943]

@@Nastuf such a thing is possible only in Sovngarde

[@jacobnicola5950]

Neloth is the true protagonist of the elder scrolls

[@Darrcness]

And Half-Life 3.

[@lelouchvibritannia9624]

Chad Neloth not impressed in the slightest by the "archmage" dragonborn

[@sebastjankrek1744]

Based comment

[@peryite9979]

He's nothing compared to gad Divayth Fyr

[@ziekaiser3873]

Chad Neloth vs Virgin Dragonborn

[@mandochan69]

Only M'aiq can be equal in power to him

[@sebastjankrek1744]

@@ziekaiser3873 The ultimate Chadlord Neloth vs the archvirgin winterhold college dragonborn

[@Tom-re6zo]

I also love how Neloth has a totally warped idea of what people think of him. Neloth: "Shouldn't be too hard to find someone willing to take the job. They are in A W E of me there..." Dragonborn (goes up to first person he seees): "You interested in being Neloth's steward?" RavenRock citizen: "What? You mean take orders from that crazy mage? Not on your life! I heard he ATE his last apprentice."

[@boodsdouglass4224]

Tom bartender made me laugh: are you nuts? i hear he talks to mudcrabs!

[@Tom-re6zo]

@@boodsdouglass4224 lol that's a good one

[@nonamesorry7135]

I can't help but view him as sort of adorable, he's so old, always angry and so detached from reality you just kind of feel bad for him. In Morrowind he was a completely evil bastard, kidnapping daughters and whatnot, but in dragonborn he just seems lost.

[@discipleofkhorne9472]

@@nonamesorry7135 Divayth Fyr was the one who kidnapped the daughter, unless you're referring to something else.

[@velkonemriam1935]

Lol most of the Telvanni wizards are the pinnacle of egocentrism.

[@mlem1315]

Oh it's you again. i though i made myself rather clear THE FIRST TIME. GET OUT OF MY TOWER.

[@Rabbachino]

_Rave music Intensifies_ *I am a master wizard of House Telvanni!* _Misses spell_

[@ollaniuspius1211]

SAE, how would you like to advance the art of magic?

[@l0remipsum991]

M A J I K ?

[@nathansnow864]

*poof* Off you go! MY EQUIPMENT IS FRAGILE

[@violecatemoji]

can I get a uhhhhh...

[@dudel3565]

"Mora learns new fascinating ways to skin a horker and you'll become the second most powerful Dragonborn."

[@levinseve3471]

I love that line.

[@IRUNASSULT]

It’s makes sense though, Mora’s whole sphere is knowledge, so if there’s something he doesn’t know, it may as well be a 3 step guide to CHIM because he will do anything to get it.

[@intensellylit4100]

@@IRUNASSULT CHIM?

[@seanhanson418]

Intenselly LIt look it up if you want to go down the lore rabbit hole.

[@intensellylit4100]

@@seanhanson418 I'm scared

[@misspopcoin2204]

Dragonborn: I've defeated miraak. Neloth: Who? Neloth is easily one of my favourite characters. He may be arrogant but he's funny as hell. He made you a member of his house, which may not mean much currently, but it does mean he does extremely value the player, even though he'll never admit it. He is so interesting compared to most of the rather black & white npcs found in Skyrim. I always wanted him to be a follower, mainly because I imagine that his dialogue would be funny. & even talvas his apprentice has his moments where he's funny, "master neloth says a dragon is no match for a talvannoi wizard, but what about a mere apprentice?" Saying that in a squeaky voice was adorable too. Neloth & Cicero are the best characters in Skyrim, because they are both so interesting. But why do I feel like neloth would want to study Cicero because of his madness?

[@WaveOfDestiny]

When you go and get back from the dwarven ruins it feels like you are walking with a pal. It feels like you are actually on par with him, rather than being the one and only hero that everyone follows from behind.

[@misspopcoin2204]

I never thought about it But you're 100% right. Normally all the other followers are just there to carry extra stuff, you don't actually need them in fights. But being with Neloth for the brief quest was like finally traveling with an equal. I think the only other npcs to make me feel slightly like that, was Cicero & marciro. Damn they really should have made Neloth a follower.

[@Caine61]

What I also like is when you're with him at Nchardak to get the black book, he'll tell you history of the ancient Dwemer while walking through the ruins, like a tour guide / professor. Explaining fascinating lore to the Dragonborn without having to ask was something I thought was neat, that he values passing on knowledge to others just as much as values gaining knowledge himself.

[@sarojujjainwal8100]

@Juggled Lotus Maybe Nerveranine saved the Dunmer, but the 'Nobody Dragonborn' saved the entire Tamriel from a world eating dragon, sun swallowing dracula and mind bending Dragonborn!! He/She deserves Respect.

[@hectorbeltran392]

@@sarojujjainwal8100 weeeell the nerevarine stopped Dagoth Ur a potential danger to all of Tamriel because of the heart of Lorkhan

[@aceclover758]

When you max out enchantment, Neloth indirectly admits if he were to train you further, you would surpass him in that field.

[@RimeyCH]

Neloth is so arrogent that it actually kinda funny.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

That is part of his charm. He is so quirky and self-assured. When others would be unbearable he manages to inject enough wit to make you like him.

[@hekatebleble4800]

His apprentice is also hilarious. I'm pretty sure most young adults can relate to him at some point in their life too lol (aka what am I doing here, I'd be better off, learning on my own without being pushed around, pls send help)

[@jacobfreeman5444]

@@hekatebleble4800 Yeah, although in the case of his apprentice the man is actively being experimented on. I suspect he has a reason to be apprehensive xD

[@hekatebleble4800]

@@jacobfreeman5444 in this case I relate too, as an Art Academy Student...we were being experimented on everyday, in terms of mental resistance lol ;D no jk, it's no comparison to the threat of death or permanent disfigurement

[@Bosswigger42]

It’s because neloth doesn’t just talk shit, he’s really bout that thug shit and should get straight up respect

[@skytheannur6168]

Other points with Neloth, he's very "respectful" to you regardless of race, Argonian, Dunmer, whatever you're all the same to him. Also giving you a title, if I remember correctly, its been a few years since I played Skyrim. He also doesn't give a DAMN if you're dragonborn or a hero, he just wants his canis root tea!

[@CwC2298]

It's the end of the world but if he don't get hes tea first oh boy.

[@tingtimson1281]

@@CwC2298 If he doesn't get his tea he will stop the end of the world just to get that tea

[@rixille]

How is that a quality of Neloth?

[@TheFrostflame12]

So in other words he harbors no racial prejudice because he looks down on everyone equally.

[@thescrapsmith446]

A rare sight a dunmmer who doesn't call my full dragon bone armored lizard wizard n'wah

[@Spyko-]

another thing: Talvas Fathryon is a master conjurer he can teach you conjuration up to 90 (while the teacher in the mage college can only do so up to 75) he is a better summoner and soul magic expert than the actual teacher of the college but he is only *Neloth apprentice* an idle dialogue between the two have talvas begging neloth to teach him a new summon spell; meaning that neloth is a superior summoner than a master conjurer; despite summoning magic not even being his main speciality

[@Limrasson]

And Neloth is nowhere close to the power of Divayth Fyr. You know, the 4000 year old dude who challanges thieves to take his hoard of artifacts for sport and has female clones of himself as both daughters and wives.

[@thomasparsons9866]

Limrasson didn’t he say he makes portals to planes of oblivion? Also if I remember right he has like 3 legendary artifacts in his tower.

[@Caine61]

Yeah but the college is ass.

[@erikho6936]

@@Limrasson what? Man I gotta know more about this

[@Limrasson]

It's in Morrowind.

[@superskellyftw3230]

Dragonborn: "Hermaeus Mora wants the "secrets of the Skaal" in exchange for teaching me the third Word." Neloth: "Hmph. What secrets could they have worth keeping from old Mora? Sounds like a bargain to me. Hermaeus Mora learns some fascinating new ways to skin a horker and you become the second most powerful Dragonborn that ever lived."

[@willigagbob8243]

In fairness I think he was referring to Tiber Septim when he said that.

[@N3xtStopHell]

@@willigagbob8243 nope

[@mrsirgiy]

@@willigagbob8243 or miraak since that dude went on a dragon killing spree

[@OriginalGazGoose]

@@mrsirgiy I mean the Last Dragonborn also went on a Dragon killing spree so...

[@mrsirgiy]

@@OriginalGazGoose true but I don’t think Tiber septim killed any dragons as far as I can remember

[@TheCatWatches]

Neloth is so powerful, he managed to de-age and cure his baldness over the course of 200 years...

[@elizabethgouverneur2972]

So this is why restoration is a valid school of magic

[@ulrickguiliman4810]

@@elizabethgouverneur2972 exactly! Plus the avoid death perk would make it a big middle finger to a tough opponent. It's like when you're opponent thinks they'll win the fight your perk activates "surprise mother fucker"

[@ollaniuspius1211]

He has to be the greatest wizard in Morrowind to deal with that fuzzy abomination known as Scamp.

[@T-1001]

I love how many people have seen that.

[@mtnd02.06]

I'm pretty sure the Skooma will do more to Skamp than Neloths MaJiK! ever will.

[@klassicbadz8009]

Vivec himself couldn't deal with scamp.

[@SomeLonelyShmuck]

Ill bite, what Scamp?

[@calibusofficial]

*plays night of nights directly into Neloth's ear*

[@l0remipsum991]

What? Make my own tea? I am Master Wizard of House Telvanni. Other people make tea for me.

[@Amadeo790]

And all that is useless when someone simply says "no". Whatz he gana do? Throw a magical tantrum like a bitch? If only other people in his world had a spine XD.

[@cptncutleg]

@@Amadeo790 I mean, he could clone himself and make the clone do it. Also make it female for sexy fun and games. It's been done before.

[@l0remipsum991]

@@Amadeo790 Pissing off the Telvanni would be a very bad idea. Brelyna turned the LDB into Shrek, then into a horse -> cow -> dog. Neloth can make tentacles grow out of your eyes and mouth.

[@Amadeo790]

@@l0remipsum991 shows how much of an entitled little bitch he is. Magical tantrums I say.

[@mortache]

@@cptncutleg im gonna need sauce on that *-*

[@tyranitararmaldo]

Neloth has also some very subtle character growth throughout your encounters with him. It's done so well that he went from a character I initially detested, to one of my favourites, simply because he grows gradually as you interact with him more, without losing what makes him... Neloth.

[@0lAllan]

Hear, hear. Well said!

[@SharkyMcSnarkface]

One of my favourite lines from him is a sort of inverse backhanded compliment. It sounds like an insult at first but then you realize he actually hid some praise under it. “Oh. Were you fishing for a compliment? A sign of gratitude? Don't waste your time. Those things are for the weak and foolish."

[@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201]

@@SharkyMcSnarkface it holds a lot of praise in a weird way. Like he just told you he sees you as someone who is strong and intelligent. Considering that he calls even his own apprentice an idiot as well as insults Savros Aren a old mer who's very knowledgeable about magic (according to lore.) But sees you as powerful and intelligent made me kinda happy to know he feels that way

[@realkingofantarctica]

Do you get to the Gray Quarter very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you do

[@elvenknight520]

"The most powerful mage in Morriwind and Skyrim" Divath Fyr: Am I and my cloned incestuous daughters a joke to you?!

[@elvenknight520]

@Some Guy Good question

[@skeleytonz5319]

Neloth aka the biggest Chad in Skyrim?

[@ziekaiser3873]

he gets all the women of Nirn and Oblivion with his presence alone

[@surrk1057]

*In Morrowind

[@rivaraptor4277]

*In Solstheim

[@rixille]

@Y B Indeed, Divayth Fyr has quite the ladies, has a living Dwemer and is the only one who could develop a treatment for Corpus. Neloth is still pretty chad, but barely speaks to you in Morrowind; preferring to be left alone. We kind of interact more with him in Dragonborn DLC than we ever do in Morrowind, so they changed his behavior.

[@michaelcutler5538]

ummm no Narvi?

[@TOGYS7]

He may be a genius, but can he see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?

[@JKgyaru6969]

Cause it has cinnamon?

[@jadgbanzer9246]

Lots of sugar

[@cubancucumber]

Lots of diabetes

[@wiseferret4745]

Brand awareness.

[@wiseferret4745]

@@Rotten_Water_ Why are you responding to me? Out of everyone in this comment section, why me?

[@BlackuKnighto]

0:09 well since the arch mage of winterhold only knows like two spells and runs around with bow and arrow, Neloth is not completely unjustified by suggesting that the arch mage is below him.

[@Caine61]

Neloth himself knows how empty the College of Winterhold quest was

[@skyrimgameplay2808]

If you complete the college quest and metion savos aren neloth will say he could make savon his aprenticce

[@geemcspankinson]

Fyr is the greatest character in all of Elder Scrolls. He wears full Daedric Armor despite being a wizard. He joined the most dedicated mage society in Vvardenfell so they'd stop bothering him. He couldn't be bothered to talk to vapid Telvani broads, so he cloned a harem of himself. He keeps the last living Dwemer firmly tucked away in his basement, because to Fyr, that bloated spider is the rarest artifact he could find. He also cured your aids. God bless Kirkbride.

[@imhungryletseat2303]

Thalmor: We are the most self-assured in Tamriel Neloth: Hold my canis tea

[@cycomiles4225]

All of the telvanni wizards were like that.

[@thomasphil543]

3:08 Neloth does not care if nerevarine becomes hortator and when you increase his Disposition high enough he will say "Hortator? War leader of House Telvanni? Is that necessary? Why doesn't anyone tell me about these things? So. Do you want the job?Are you qualified? Good. Then go ahead. I don't care. Be the Hortator. Now go away." Really he only did it so you would leave him alone.

[@hekatebleble4800]

He sound like most of my uni professors

[@CynicalAnomaly205]

Lol, I had to give him 1000 gold to get my disposition up with him, and you’d think he’d give a thank you, but no, he just says “Fuck it, I don’t care, be the Hortator”.

[@ladyselin35]

He's genius because resist temptation of Hrmous Mora's books.

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

Selin Sevgi Terzi I didn’t even think of that. He must have a strong mind.

[@floydlechner2445]

Selin Sevgi Terzi no he was reading the books. When you read the one book to get the second word he says „greet old mora for me if you see him“, implying they spoke, thus beeing to the book.

[@Kami-Sama197]

@@floydlechner2445 yea he just doesn't want to give his soul to mora like any other sane mortal if he's even sane to begin with lol

[@floydlechner2445]

Kami Sama i think so. A little scientist-exentric but nothing to worry about.

[@mrsirgiy]

Ah yes the brother of Hermaeus Mora, Hrmous Mora.

[@RobGordonJC]

When I met him around level 38 in his tower, I attacked him because at first I found him annoying. He then proceeded to thunderbolt my ass across the room. Loved him ever since lmao.

[@Kindredmagician-i5p]

Got your ass kicked then fell in love 😭

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

I love Neloth simply because of how little he cares about anything at all. When I say that, I mean he’s the only one open about it.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Neloth: Making Tea myself?! I am a Wizard of House Telvani! I let other People make my Tea. Dovahkiin: Soooo....just summon a Dremora and order it to make you your Tea. Should be no Problem for such a powerful Mage. Neloth: Do you have any Idea how DUMB Daedra are?! These Nitwits couldn't warm a Cup of Water if their Life dependet on it!

[@elgatto3133]

Dremoras arent actually that stupid but they probably don't know how to make tea

[@LadyCoyKoi]

@@elgatto3133 Dremora: "I honor my Lord by BREWING TEA!!!!" Me: Doesn't sound as cool, but still. 🤔

[@hypermaeonyx4969]

Wow i never realized that Neloth didn't use Daedra or Undead servants to brew his tea, You wouldn't need to feed them and they can be excellent ingredient gatherers due to their expendability

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@hypermaeonyx4969 Well, I didn't either during my first Play through. But I played it a second Time, trying to play in-character this Time, and noticed quite a few things. Like how Hermaeus Mora's Seekers tend to read in Books sometimes if they aren't actively looking for you. I also tried to come up with an explanation for all the Weirdness in Labyrinthion.

[@Gensolink]

That guy is so arrogant it's actually funny, because he has all the reasons to be and the way he talk in such a non chalant manners makes it better

[@rustedcake879]

Indeed. One of the few characters to appear in Skyrim that I liked.

[@fireblast133]

Yet one he met tested his sanity, a khajiit named Skamp.

[@jamesbudd3096]

Ikr, he has all the reason to be too. He is one of the most knowledgeable and powerful mages in his time with over 500 years of experience. I can't wait to see what he's studying next in TES6, i actually hope it has something to do with the main story because neloth is just too important damnit

[@rangopistacho6928]

Neloth may seem rude but it's probably because he's tired of being nice I mean he has lived 500 years he knows about shit and seen it all I wouldn't judge him if he was tired of it all Neloth is my favourite character btw

[@johannesseyfried7933]

I think Neloth always was like that.

[@barrydalton4743]

@@johannesseyfried7933 he was if you played Morrrowind

[@vokulven2090]

I really hope they bring him back for ES6. My favorite NPC!

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

Oddly enough despite his arrogant demeanor Master Neloth is one of only a handful of characters that actually shows The Player some respect.

[@MrStonehengeX37]

Doesn't canis root have the paralysis effect? So he's basically been using magical botox lmao

[@princessbinas]

Canis Root also keeps the werebears away.

[@l0remipsum991]

only if imp stool is added, otherwise it's safe

[@akai4942]

If you're a master alchemist you can use only one ingredient

[@AwesomeFDO789]

Maybe he has the snake blood perk that removes negative side effects of potions.

[@Ch35h1r3C47]

Divath Fyr's gotta still be kicking around by Dragonborn, the dude was already 4000 years old in Morrowind and an absolute beast. Fyr vs Neloth though?

[@skytheannur6168]

@@ivanmolchanov6775 it was interesting to say hello to him back in ESO

[@cptncutleg]

Gotta go with Fyr. Daedric armour, artifacts aplenty, last living dwarf to learn from, a modified version of Corprus, female sex/maid clones, et cetera. In terms of spellcasting I honestly don't know, Neloth seems a better enchanter, and researches the Daedra cautiously, but Fyr looks deeper into the mechanics of magic and reality, spurning the power of Daedra for the most part.

[@pelinalwhitestrake1677]

That's actually a good one considering neloth is definitely one of the most powerful wizards outside the psijic order. Shit hes probably stronger than most of them tbh. Fyr is a beast tho

[@hamzaferoz6162]

Fyr and Neloth belong to the same great house. Fyr is superior as he lived for 4000 years and is the only one who can cure or treat corpus

[@ves6189]

Definitely Fyr

[@skuka1337]

That bastard paid me 5 drakes for fockin ancient magical robe. What a guy.

[@rezamehraein1583]

Neloth, Mannimarco and Solas "in Dragon age" are the reasons I adore magic so much and usually end up being a mage in most of my playthroughs in fantasy games that give us this option.

[@tysej4]

I take it that means you've played Oblivion and Skyrim? Honestly if you like those characters then (As I'm sure many have told you) you'd love Divayth Fyr, before you ask... No it's probably not worthing getting into Morrowind just for that. But it's definately worth a read on the wiki!

"if you are the arch mage.of the college of winterhold he will suggest you become his students" yeah like becoming the arch mage of that run down building was some sort of feat of strength, lol. that poor excuse of a building can hardly call itself a college, there is literally 15 persons in the premises, the head of enchanting doesn't teaches you anything. the senior student of illusion can't use invisibility spells. the currentl director of the college gets the study material stolen by a bunch of necromancers and doesn't give a fuck sending the newest student to deal with the situation. neloth knows what low reputation that college is, seriously being its Arch Mage is not something you should be proud of. pretty sure they just gave it to the dragonborn just to gain some prestige with the other mage guilds like "oh who's your Arch mage? oh ours is a dragonborn!"

[@InanisNihil]

there is LORE then there is GAME MECHANICS... learn the difference.. if they made elderscrolls into an anime/show etc... i highly doubt it would be limited to a game engine... there is no way in hell winterhold has 6ish people living in 3 buildings... living in rubble with no attempt to rebuild some buildings... knowing damn well they are still fucking and reproducing... eating and working... the winterhold in game.. cause of game machines does not reflect how it would actually be... it the lore was made into a film... winter hold and the college would be much larger and far more populated... in fact.. all the "CITIES" are cities... u cant actually believe all the cities have about 20ish npcs... and a few gaurds.. yet have armies that are probably well over 1000 in each city... summary.. for the sake of ur game being able to run it does not reflect lore... the same why ur shouts as DB dont actually destroy cities.. hence why some there are mods.. more immersive lore friendly ones.. that make the cities much fuller and the appearance of being larger.. butt even this can be a work horse for our systems... and yet still.. i highly doubt these mods would reflect the sheer size and population in terms of lore that these cities would be... so ur problem is ur mixing lore with limited mechanics of the game/engine... again look at Solitude for example... u really think it would have the small population it has.. and u think the city would actually be that small.. only big enough to house 5 or 6 different families... no.. u'd have hundreds if not thousands of people living there... consider HISTORY.. real history... average cities had a modest population of 10,000 - 80,000... there is no way in hell skyrim lore reflects whats in game due to the limited engine...

[@Ryan-cf7bf]

Clearly you just wanted to bitch then. Not to mention the fact that your post was just as long as his

[@benjaminharmon6541]

@@InanisNihil Tell that to Vivec City in Morrowind. They did it just fine in 2002.

[@nunyabusiness4904]

@@InanisNihil Even if we delved into the lore I don't think the college that we see in the 4th era would have more than a few dozen to maybe a hundred or so students studying there, the city of Winterhold sits in ruins and is a shadow of it's former self, the townspeople often comment about it's current state, if the college was doing well the town of Winterhold by extension would be doing well, students from the college would likely venture out to drink at the inn and trade with the local townsfolk, people from across Skyrim would seek out the mages at the college for enchanting services, which although they still do to an extent I doubt many adventurers require (or afford) much more than what their local wizard could do for them students from across Tamriel would likely travel to Winterhold to study bringing with them gold to pour into Winterhold's economy. But the days of glory for the college are long gone, the oresrige it once had is gone, the people of Skyrim are distrustful and even fearful of magic and those that live around the college even more so, the college likely only exists today as it is the best many people in Skyrim can do without traveling abroad and other mages from across Tamriel likely only visit if they believe the college posses rare tomes of knowledge or other answers they might need.To me it seems most logical that most provinces of Tamriel likely have local mages guilds where wizards gather.

[@InanisNihil]

@@nunyabusiness4904 still its college.. not in modern times and not even CLOSE to modern populations.. a few hundred students .. thats a LOT still if u look at the population ratio compared to today... also why in the hell would ur college be in business if there isnt a decent amount of students flowing in and out..? again.. ignoring game mechanics wise.. the fact that winterhold is still a HOLD and maintains itself.. despite what the MECHANICS shwo.. the population HAS TO STILL BIG ENOUGH TO BE ITS OWN HOLD... you cant be a STATE with 20 people.. lmao as far as the college goes.. COLLEGE is just that .. a COLLEGE.. and INDEPENDENT ONE TOO in this case... cause the jarl seems to have no control or influence on it.. its neutral and has the POWER TO BE NEUTRAL... meaning.. lorewise.. it has to be MORE POWERFUL then what it is displayed as in the game.. EVEN THE THALMOR HAVE NO SWAY THERE.. again arcano is literally a GUEST and is reminded of this himself.. and he knows his place.. lmao.. cause the two top mages are rational and diplomatic.. not violent and ignorant.. butt arent push overs... im sure as im typing.. the college could literally announce that talos worship is allowed.. neither the empire or the thalmor would do anything.. again the COLLEGE IS NEUTRAL.. also WINTER HOLD IS ALIGNED WITH THE STORMCLOAKS.. they are ANTI THALMOR.. yet look at ancano.. literally their main enemy... a thalmor .. not a hair on his head is touched.. i wonder why that is... the college is far more then what its shown as in the game.. strong enough that acanos evil little hairs can sleep well at nite knowing the jarl and his stormcloaks wont dare try anything... also pretty sure we all know the vibe is very fear mongering of magic... and if its a COLLEGE.. and people there would display traits of rationality.. they wont bother to interact with racists.. bigots and intolerant people... both winterhold and the college for all tense and purpose are basically segregated communities.. yes they may interact here and there.. butt they overall are separate.. the college students are their to LEARN not ARGUE.. which brings me to below.. its also a harsh environment.. only further reason to not bother interaction... except for requests from non college people for magical things... other then that.. they dont interact.. like who wants to fight and argue over their ways of life while in extreme weather conditions.. that makes no sense.. food and other supplies are low all the time.. thats just way to much energy and a waste of time that could be used training.. that shit is literally dangerous and unwise to even bother with.. meaning.. yes one can grow and do good and have no effect on the other.. SEGREGATION... college is basically into ISOLATIONISM except for when it comes to potential students... again the nords attitude would literally keep rational and reasonable people from even wasting time with them.. they want nothing to do with it.. and they did not travel miles and potential threats on the way to end up arguing with bigots... what the college gains.. benefits only the college.. pretty sure even the lowest student could shit on the jarls front step.. jarl cant do shit.. sure the college get on them about it.. maybe banish him or her. butt until then. the jarl cant do shit.. ancano could come out of the college and piss on the jarls house.. jarl cant and wont do shit.. again ancano is a GUEST of the COLLEGE.. like an embassy.. they wont let him get killed the stormcloaks if he's not actually doing bad shit... no way in hell acano would even be there if the stormcloaks had the power to do anything... game wise.. winterhold and the college suck.. xb luckily there are some mods for that... and they seem to have similar views to what i stated.. college is not anything in game as its describe as in lore... its very underwhelming.. Bethesda is just a trash company and cant do shit right..

[@adamxei9073]

It's rare in Skyrim when you actually feel like you're speaking with an equal. But with Neloth is feels like Nerivar's and Dyfeth Fyr's partnership.

[@mauricemcdonald80]

Another Avarti video? I’m sure Master Neloth won’t mind.

[@arandomgreekfrombactria6302]

I AM A MASTER WIZARd Of H0use TelvaNI?!

[@rinjaniii326]

*misses spell*

[@XRyuhayabusaX]

Neloth, over 500 years old: "I'm the greatest wizard you'll ever meet!" Divayth Fyr, over 4000 years old: "Am I a f***ing joke to you!?"

[@minerva9104]

In all fairness, he did say he was the greatest wizard you would *meet*. Not the greatest wizard alive. He rightfully assumes that you’re not going to be meeting Divayth Fyr.

[@corynetherwood4406]

@Dillon Brunschon ah yes morokei he dragon priest that can only do magicka damage against a master enchanter that also makes staffs

[@InanisNihil]

500 years old.. AND give absolutely no shit about POWER.. yet is one of the most powerful wizards to ever exist... this N'wah is accidentally insanely powerful just cause he can be... 😂🤣 i would be embarrassed if i was Divayth Fyr... 4000 years old and a dude 500 years old who is probably far stronger then him when he was 500years old... give Neloth 500 more years.. he'll probably be equal or stronger... now give him 4000years... imma put all my money on Neloth... neloth still wouldnt wanna put down his Canis Root Tea to be bothered with Divayth.. 💀

[@floydlechner2445]

Maa'Quchii he gives no shit about wordly powers like beeing jarl in morrowind. If he had no desire for power he would not wanted knowledge or fusing him with a hearthstone to get demi god like powers

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

Dunmer are the most powerful mages in Elder scrolls lore, even better than Altmer and Breton.

[@AFlyingCoconut]

I honestly *love* Morrowind's Telvanni. They definitely had the best lore along with the Ashlander tribes - Some of the most creative and thought-out mythology ever devised for a video game, really

[@YokoYoko_]

I always liked Neloth he is one of these calm intellectuals that are eager to explore stuff and that is what I can appreciate.

[@MadAlienArt]

"Master Neloth, a good man, treasure hunting and kidnapping councilors and Redoran daughters, those were the days... tho his recent work, erm how do I put this... oh yes, boring!" - Fyr, Divaith

[@rozgriz5550123]

"Or maybe someone just popped in and told him" You mean like Courier guy ?

[@williamvalorious4403]

He delivers regardless of which landmass your on that is note worthy even neloth likely

[@MithriAK]

Next Video: Why courier guy is a genius.

[@lugiasimply6054]

if only that courier was the same new vegas one

[@hoddtoward]

if i don't use capital letters, maybe nobody will notice that i've never played morrowind.

[@smokingbeardy2279]

What a shame.(in JC voice) It's a great game.

[@trinalgalaxy5943]

I regret not playing it either, but i will most likely buy it when skywind drops

[@cubancucumber]

It’s a brilliant game, if you have an Xbox One, you can get the full edition backwards compatible, it’s enhanced on One X. Or just get it on PC, you don’t need a god like PC to run it.

[@ThePlayer920]

To be honest, you're not missing out on much. I'd recommend you try out Daggerfall instead

[@cubancucumber]

ThePlayer920 Daggerfall is amazing. I recommend everyone play Morrowind and Daggerfall. Those games define passion for the franchise.

[@cptncutleg]

If memory serves, the Telvanni would use Necromancy to reverse or slow aging. And if I remember correctly, Neloth and Divayth were somewhat on friendly terms, a rarity in itself among the Telvanni. It may be that Neloth has a modified Corprus strain from Divayth, giving him everlasting agelessnes in addition to the previously mentioned necromancy.

[@RoleCrow]

"He has to be the greatest wizard in morrowind." Dyvaith Fyr: "Hold my beer."

[@FraternityOfShadows]

More like: Divayth Fyr: Hold my daughter-clone-wife's tits

[@1ruisu]

Guillermo Ibarra unfortunately he has been not seen since the eruption of red mountain

[@toanidhiki320]

Divayth: "Hold my byr."

[@rixille]

I'll never forget meeting Divayth Fyr in his tower and seeing what a full set of Daedric armor looks like. Back when Daedric armor was super rare and the game didn't hand it out to you like Oblivion and Skyrim did. Daedric armor was more special and anyone caught wearing it was sure to be someone really powerful.

[@thegreycrusader]

It's cuz he's voiced by the same guy that voiced Mung Daal from Chowder.

[@bryanmanuel4945]

No wonder he sounded so familiar...

[@mag359]

Holy shit, now I will never unhear that.

[@suppusthesnaxe7864]

Are you fr?

[@thegreycrusader]

@@suppusthesnaxe7864 ye

[@kano101435]

Blessed 🙏 Snitzel enchantment

[@AwesomeFDO789]

First time I felt pride joining a faction was when Neloth made me part of house Telvoni.

[@lukec2004]

Neloth's arrogance is actually pretty charismatic, as well as being a genius I want more of Neloth

[@williamvalorious4403]

Dnd his custom feat -chrismatic arrogance

[@Printoiid]

Play Morrowind, there's plenty of that personality type

[@lukec2004]

@@Printoiid I thirst for *even more*

[@dogman9291]

@@Printoiid Yeah it's like. 80% of House Telvanni. It's no wonder Neloth ended up this way, he was probably raised around it. You know. About 500 years ago.

[@rixille]

I think it's because he is (intentionally or unintentionally) comedic relief to the game's plot. In Morrowind you were building up into this epic prophecy how you were this incarnate of some hero of the Chimer people, and when you go and ask all the great house leaders to name you hortator; all of them honor it, but Neloth honors it by saying: "Hortator? War leader of House Telvanni? Is that necessary? Why doesn't anyone tell me about these things? So. Do you want the job? Are you qualified? Good. Then go ahead. I don't care. Be the Hortator. Now go away." "Just go. Be the Hortator. Leave me alone."

[@0lAllan]

Dude, Neloth is easily the most interesting character in Skyrim S.E. He really is a walking paradox. I'd normally would hate the guy given everything I've read about the great wizard slavers but . . . when I interact with Neloth it is clear that he has a favorable veiw of power but he also show that he wouldn't abuse his power. And he doesn't strike me as so arrogant that he underestimate someone he can learn from them if they are better than him at something. Which to me shows that he is at least as wise as he is intelligent which those two qualities don't always come together . . . unless you are an idiot and can't distinguish the difference between wisdom and intellect. It would be interesting to see if he appears in the next game. I think he would be wise enough to not infuse a heartstone in himself. Because that power would be his end (evidenced by the writings of his former apprentice and everything he would have learned about the briarhearts). Then again he may be smarter than wise. It would be interesting to add him to my soul gem collection. Though I hope they don't go that route . . . because I rather like the guy.

[@Nerthos]

By the time of Skyrim he's already tired of abusing his power

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Neloth is one of the VERY FREAKING FEW characters with an actually good voice actor. i love when he says "now where did i put-- OH yah!"

[@benjaminharmon6541]

If you play with Neloth and Teldryn Sero in the same room, it almost feels like a game with great voice acting.

[@michaelcutler5538]

"Have you found varoNAH? I'M hungRAY"

[@JarvisBaileyVA]

Honestly Neloth is probably my favorite character.

[@Printoiid]

Divayth

[@manipulativeperson7313]

-I have a black book -And you read it, didn't you? DON'T TRY TO DENY IT! You've got the look! Love that voice. His character is basically the balance of worth and arrogance making a perfect chemistry.

[@nitzan3782]

Septimus himself tells you that it was the scrolls who drove him mad. 'Some, like the moth priest, have it damage their sight, while others like Septimus have it damage the mind. I think Hermaeus Mora took advantage of Septimus in this vulnerable state.

[@NeroTheDarklord]

I genuinely find neloth to be pleasant. Yes hes extremely arrogant, but he has the skills to back his arrogance and compared to most others npcs in Skyrim, he is also pretty helpful and explains things genuinely as you explore nunchadak together without attacking your intelligence. Savos aren hinted at wizards being able to live for several times the natural lifespan of their species, so considering how powerful, smart and skilled neloth is, I'm confident he will live for many thousands of years to come and could possibly survive into the next kalpa.

[@Cognitohazzard]

My favourite character in The Elder Scrolls

[@Printoiid]

look up Divayth Fyr

[@othername5426]

I wonder if we'll see him again. It'd be neat to have him show up in another dlc, or the main story. Fingers crossed he actually lets you become his apprentice for unique spells.

[@GlasgowBandit]

Every time I see a video I've not watched from Avarti I want to go back and play Skyrim what a game

[@Ryan-cf7bf]

Considering that most Telvanni master mages are ageless, I imagine at 500 Neloth is actually quite young. That doesn't demean his power by any means, the age factor just might not be that impressive by comparison to some like Divayth Fyr who is or was 4000

[@zsmusic8708]

In case no one knew, Neloth is voiced by Dwight Schultz. If you've ever seen Chowder or The A Team (yes, the fucking original A Team), he voices Mong in Chowder and plays Howlin Mad Murdock. I knew that was his voice the first time playing Dragonborn. Made me so happy as I love his roles 100% of the time

[@EverythingPlusGaming]

You’ve really been pushing these out lately! Love this vids bro bro

[@tribaldefender473]

"Do you know about Savos Aren?" "He wouldn't be fit to be my apprentice"

[@redacted9606]

>Some have suggested that Neloth might be the most powerful wizard in Skyrim and Morrowind I hear Divayth Fyr and his four clone/daughter/wives take umbridge with this suggestion

[@Fishhunter2014]

*clears throat sarcastically* “Please, oh hero of Skyrim. Please find Verona, I’d be ever so grateful.

[@EpicWinNoob]

I think he doesn't look his age due to his face not being represented by a crusty .tga anymore

[@elijahwoods8548]

Only a certain breed of people can understand this comment.

[@brianaugustine9121]

it is just because every race in morrowind had 5 static faces that are compressed .tga files and 3 hair cuts

[@Vevvev8]

Of course he's a genius! He is a Telvanni! Although that means he'll pay you only one septim for acquiring something for him.

[@rangopistacho6928]

Nah neloth and the house telvanni are rich as fuck he will probably pay you 5000 gold for getting a single spell book he dosent care about money

[@hekatebleble4800]

I wonder if it may have something to do with the way we interact with him in tes Morrowind. The only way, for the most players, to get his attention is paying him to do so and that's all, so it looks like he simply likes that money (at least more than what he was doing at the moment and fairness of judgement). So maybe the Devs have decided to make it kind of an Easter egg, that he's a miser.

[@deuscognito8900]

The way you pronounced Hortator killed my soul.

[@edwhatshisname3562]

Hopefully we will see or hear of Neloth again in some way in TES 6.

[@lascielthe-fallen4536]

I just wanted to say that I really really enjoy your channel. I have played Skyrim for more hours than I care to count. I love lore and I love your Idiot vs genius videos. They have me taking a fresh look at the game and it's characters. Thank you.

[@piercedpeaches9404]

Neloth’s also a master chef (his VA also voices Mung Daal in Chowder)

[@masterneloth4612]

Finally someone actually appreciates my work. Too bad Talvas messes up on my experiments and breaks my things.

[@VVen0m]

I always liked Neloth, he's arrogant but has more than earned the right to be arrogant

[@pelinalwhitestrake1677]

By malacaths toenails we have we finally got a neloth video

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

I wish you could take Neloth as a companion on adventures, I find him to be one of the most refreshing characters

[@neilbreen2487]

He gathered one Black Book just by himself so that makes him pretty darn impressive in my opinion. Just because he didn't get obeyed by Hermaeus Mora at all. But we all know those books can make even the clearest minded soul go completely insane because of that Daedric Octopus. So that leaves me with the fact that Neloth is a fucking genius who didn't fall for twisted promises, offered by the Deadric Prince himself.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Meanwhile, most Dragonborn characters end up reading all them with little regard to the risks as, from a gameplay standpoint, there is none. :P

[@Shildran]

"Most powerful wizard in Morrowind and Skyrim" Divayth Fyr: Am I a joke to you?

[@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar]

he's arrogant but he's so upfront about it its not annoying. pretty sure heart stone isn't heart of lorkhan and it will make him immortal at best

[@Ryan-cf7bf]

He's a master telvanni wizard. He's already immortal

[@tysej4]

Mmmm back in Morrowind he was a Telvanni Master. And not a slouch in their circle, in fact he was the head of the Telvanni council and presided over the largest Telvanni City. And even then I think he was like the 2-3rd oldest? 3rd if you count Divayth Fyr who was an unofficial member of the council. While I doubt Neloth could hope to Match Fyr, maybe given the same 3000 year life-span he could. (And I've not a doubt in my mind that he can survive that long)

[@brianaugustine9121]

@@tysej4 Sidrith Mora isnt the largest telvanni city, it is the largest telvanni city in morrowind. The largest telvanni city is the capital on the main land; Port Telvannis.

[@tysej4]

@@brianaugustine9121 Mmm yeah of course. Also Morrowind is the mainland. Sadrith Mora is on Vvardenfel.

[@brianaugustine9121]

tysej4 i always assumed that there were far more powerful mages than neloth on the mainland, since vvardenfell is the frontier of House Telvanni and they aren’t very established there.

[@mr.l8527]

I thought that it'd be pretty cool of they placed Neloth in ES:6 as well. However if they do, I think there's a high likelihood that he may be a villain. I can see him mastering heartstone implantation but ultimately suffering insanity as a result. Note that anyone who taps into Lorkhan's power is inevitably driven mad. Almalexia went insane , Sotha Sil became maddeningly obsessed with technology, Dagoth Ur dreamed that he was the dreamer (the ultimate god of ES) and became "the Mad God", the Dagoth clan became insane ash vampires, General Falx Carius went insane when revived and Ildari went schizophrenic after her implantation. Vivec is the only person who didn't become (completely) insane, but that's probably because he achieved CHIM. However if you look into his past, some things he did were clearly insane. Afterall, the result of one of those actions lead to The Red Year for the dunmer. Remember that all of these people started with good intentions or were good people before being exposed to the power. For some, it slowly drove them mad and for others, it was almost immediate. I see Neloth successfully implanting himself with this power (somehow), but after a few decades or centuries (depending on when ES:6 takes place) he will be driven insane and become a tragic villain as well - a victim of a god's power and his own genius. Becoming another example of why mortals cannot handle the power and knowledge of gods, as Azura had warned the Tribual, thousands of years prior. Or he won't and will just be even more arrogant in his funny kind of way.

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

I hate to say it, but Neloth is like Rick Sanchez but way more refined and English.

[@dancingcarapace]

@@junieb9446 also add to the fact that Rick constantly endangers his grandchildren because he can't be bothered to do the dangerous stuff. Neloth sends us on dangerous quests because we can clearly handle ourselves

[@wiibrockster]

Sounds more like Divayth Fyr tbh

[@Printoiid]

I'm loving all these Skyrim fanboys never acknowledging the true god, Divayth Fyr.

[@AwesomeFDO789]

After clearing the dwarven ruins I wanted to collect the devices the started the boilers. The boilers that filled the room with the black book so Neloth get the book. Well because I took the devices there wasn't any steam when we entered into the room. I felt so embarrassed I ran back to the elevator and just before it started to load I heard Neloth yell out did you take those devices. Lol. I love him.

[@heindepaauw4886]

I liked the video, but would like to add in some feedback/counter theories: First, Neloth is definitely far older than 500 years old. He was a highly respected and well-feared Magister of House Telvanni, so he was not a youngster back then. The average lifespan of a Dunmer is estimated to be around 800-900 years, only 100 years short of the Altmer 900-1000 years. Being a Magister at merely a hundred years or so would be equivalent to a human making a 18 year old President or Prime-Minister of a country the size of Germany or the United Kingdom. Also, there is lore available that speaks of a magical means that is extremely difficult to pull off, but would allow the user to enlongate their life. The Telvanni would readily teach this to people they think might have a chance of pulling it off. The reason for this being: A) if they fail they kill themselves, B) if they succeed they are good enough to be part of the House. So Neloth looking any age means nothing. You claim that Neloth moved to Solstheim to study the Heartstones, but they only became a thing 'long' after the eruption of Vvardenfell, which pretty much destroyed the island-half of Morrowind, causing Neloth to be in need of a new place to call home. And, because shortly after the Oblivion Crisis the Argonians invaded and conquered swaths of Morrowind and were hunting down the main slavers of the Dunmer (House Dren and House Telvanni), mainland Morrowind was not wise for a Telvanni Magister to use. Solstheim was also not an ash-covered island before the eruption, so Neloth would not have moved there for the ash before the eruption. It is most logical that he discovered the Ashspawn once there and decided to learn more about the Heartstones so he could deal with the unrelenting and highly corrosive ash, which, to this day, threatens the bulwark of Raven Rock. Lastly, wouldn't Dyvath Fyr be far more likely to be the most powerful wizard to have ever lived? That man has been part of history for at least 4000 years, most likely seeing him part of the Exodus of Saint Veloth. Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

[@thegilfor7238]

Thank you for uploading more of these videos.

[@velkonemriam1935]

Neloth over 500 years old Davyth Fyr, laughs in 4000 Lol in all seriousness, I’d like to point out that, though he gave his support to Nerevarine, it was more of a “oh, there’s danger or something? Meh, fine, whatever.” When you first approach him, his first dialogue is typically “Whatever it is, the answer is no.” This personality is brilliantly reflected in Skyrim, I believe. Also, I think it’s a bit much to say he’s the most powerful wizard in Morrowind. Again, Davyth Fyr is a great contender. Edit: spelling

[@NannyOggins]

A very well considered and researched piece of character analysis, many thanks. I remember Neloth from Morrowind!

[@FlorianD30]

Being voiced by Dwight Schultz also helps with the genius thing.

[@illidin23]

Between you and fudgemuppet I am getting a freak ton of lore I played a ton of morrowend,oblivion and skyrim before hand but I never thought about this stuff.

[@AG26498]

Neloth's apprentice also states that Neloth sleeps with his eyes open.

[@kaalsemulzii1920]

0:41 Divayth Fyr wants a word with you.

[@vincentlau6325]

I love this guy, one of the better written characters in Skyrim lol

[@roadhouse6999]

My last playthrough, I walked into Neloth's Mushroom Tower as a Nord in the armor of an Imperial Ranger. He made me a Telvanni Wizard.

[@lucasramey6427]

I hope we get the chance to create our own spells in the next elder scrolls that way being a wizard is more viable in later levels

[@theace8502]

I think what makes neloth work so well is that he's not like most of the arrogant characters you meet throughout Skyrim. While they are incompetent and insufferable buffoons, he's a genius and I'd argue very respectful to the player character, showing that he's not just a bastard tyrant without the faintest idea of what he's actually doing but instead someone who is truly a master wizard

[@Doomseer]

I wonder if Neloth could of taken on Miraak in a straight up fight... I know he wouldn't be able to beat the last dragonborn but I personally do think he could of taken out miraak if he really wanted to but just simply didn't think it was his problem.

[@tentacles_and_books]

When I, mortal finally end my life in this world I want to be reincarnated as a Dunmer sorcerer somewhere on Nirn, have a tower in a secluded place and spend the rest of the eternity working on my spells.

[@whitestorm8287]

*” GET OUT BEFORE I THROW YOU OUT!!!”*

[@SrChr778]

Neloth may be eccentric, to say the least, but he's definitely not an idiot.

[@sinofren8406]

You should do a video on Councillor moryvan (the guy in charge of Raven Rock)

[@ramblingentertained]

Me when becoming Archmage for the first time: I am the greatest wizard of them all! Me after meeting Neloth: So that was a fucking lie?