Why Open Blockchains Matter

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aantonop

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@dantedmc716
@dantedmc716 6 жыл бұрын
I can't understand how this channel has only 151k subscribers maybe this is an indication of how early we are in this space
@StakedWealth369
@StakedWealth369 6 жыл бұрын
dante dmc The slaves don't understand what he talking about , Yet
@MichaelNunya
@MichaelNunya 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas is a genius of technology and a brilliant orator. He is....less good....at marketing.
@danielius6863
@danielius6863 6 жыл бұрын
thats exactly what it tells you
@BillyCorgan777
@BillyCorgan777 6 жыл бұрын
Time will be part of the marketing itself. We just have to wait for the seeds to grow.
@Cryptocraze-ic5hp
@Cryptocraze-ic5hp 6 жыл бұрын
Majority of the people who are in bitcoin are more interested in the price rather than its philosophy and technology.
@mathws1
@mathws1 6 жыл бұрын
This talk is pure gold.
@mathws1
@mathws1 6 жыл бұрын
Digital gold ;)
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Matheus Seabra .. It's more than just gold ... It's energy ... Energy that can power & drive dreams ☺
@iman-klt
@iman-klt 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for driving home the basic and fundamental reason why we need to embrace and adopt the real money of our day. Leave the control structures behind by not paying attention to "it".
@sondre2477
@sondre2477 2 жыл бұрын
This lecture should be in every curriculum in elementary school, high school and economy, finance, computer science at university. I´m so grateful for your contribution to Bitcoin, Andreas.
@Rhino1188
@Rhino1188 6 жыл бұрын
What an excellent way to start a Saturday morning.
@MrHarrilasagna
@MrHarrilasagna 6 жыл бұрын
Thank You Andreas!
@MasterNeiXD
@MasterNeiXD 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas can sway crowds with his words. I think it's great that he also understand these matters deeply enough to be able to talk with software developers. His Bitcoin maximalism is a bit strong, but that's fine; it's not like he's lying to anyone.
@MasterNeiXD
@MasterNeiXD 6 жыл бұрын
The Sapien Indeed.
@74LS_NE555
@74LS_NE555 6 жыл бұрын
I think you have it in reverse though, he is a software developer that understands the social impact of the technology enough to explain the concept to non developers.
@MasterNeiXD
@MasterNeiXD 6 жыл бұрын
w4rr3ncom Oh. That makes a lot more sense. The respect I have for this guy is unmeasurable.
@sango73
@sango73 6 жыл бұрын
Each time I've watch a new talk of Andreas, I repeat to myself every 4 minutes : "Damn, this guy is one level above everyone else" ! This channel and all of these videos should have 100x more views !
@atakante
@atakante 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas kills it! One by one, they will utter "Once I was blind, but now I see." Keep on keepin' on brother!!!
@mkmstillstackin
@mkmstillstackin 6 жыл бұрын
It's hard to say which of Andreas' videos are the greatest because he has so darn many, but this one is really really good! Added to my favorites.
@miikkakorhonen5928
@miikkakorhonen5928 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic speech. Andreas is Genius
@artcreatorfa3
@artcreatorfa3 6 жыл бұрын
we need more ppl like you, you are the artist of technical words they way you put words in a sentence is really artistic.
@fjh0249
@fjh0249 6 жыл бұрын
@aantonop please make more videos on the Blockchain. Pros vs cons, current limitations, application use cases. I went to my first Blockchain conference at University of California, Irvine. Many speakers talked about how to use the Blockchain for many things (mobility, agriculture, voting) and even businesses spoke of how to use it. But I left conflicted because I hear you talk about it, then I hear others talk about it. I don't know what to believe, I will do my own research and make up my own mind, but I would appreciate a video from you that focuses on the Blockchain and it's applications more specifically.
@aantonop
@aantonop 6 жыл бұрын
Blockchain vs. Bullshit - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX6ogH56i72fi9E Why Open Blockchains Matter - kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4uzeq1pdteErdk Decentralisation and the Architecture of Trust - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYS1f2uGis17jpI "Blockchain, not Bitcoin" - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGPJYXuilreXndE Bitcoin vs. blockchain - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXnFpaNtpbSZqrc
@raids67
@raids67 6 жыл бұрын
Everytime i hear Andreas talk i get a huge rush feeling of dopamine. Don't really know why, but IM SO FUCKING HYPED! LETS GO!
@PersikkaYrjo
@PersikkaYrjo 6 жыл бұрын
Top level speak by Andreas, once again! THANK YOU!
@2ferone86
@2ferone86 6 жыл бұрын
Money as a protocol. Andreas Antonopoulos, paradigm shepherd.
@ConstructionRatesUK
@ConstructionRatesUK 6 жыл бұрын
.....truth, maths & fairness delivered strategically... resueltos, aspecto que se trata con mucho respeto y deliberación. Your diligence is invaluable and admirable too.
@LukesPersonalChannel
@LukesPersonalChannel 6 жыл бұрын
Damn inspiring. You're getting even better, Andreas!
@kaeb4007
@kaeb4007 6 жыл бұрын
1st! thank you andreas for your great work, your inspiration, your confirmation, teaching and so much more. you are unreached and you are a legend a true leader !
@lorenzozamponi1180
@lorenzozamponi1180 6 жыл бұрын
What is the correct reward for the contributors on the system? Can somebody survive and contribute full time in an open blockchain scenario?
@roberttatum2826
@roberttatum2826 6 жыл бұрын
lucid,lucid,lucid,CLARITY,CLARITY,CLARITY.........3 CHEERS for Andreas Antonopoulos
@johnm6404
@johnm6404 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas is THE man.
@Spaceghost87x
@Spaceghost87x 6 жыл бұрын
Thank You Andreas ✊✊✊✊✊✊✊💕💕💕💕💕💕💕🙏
@gocrypto2494
@gocrypto2494 6 жыл бұрын
Hear hear!! Well said sir! The sooner governments and industry get past this ridiculous idea of closed block chains the better. Although i expect they will try and fail because they just don't get it. Love the use of the "Intranet" analogy..
@vaibhavgupta20
@vaibhavgupta20 6 жыл бұрын
really great analogy with html vs internet.
@rezaxxx
@rezaxxx 6 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos. Excellent points and very nicely presented. Keep up the awesome work. Cheers!
@scottwhite115
@scottwhite115 6 жыл бұрын
I love you Anton and the work you do. May God bless you.
@moussaself7703
@moussaself7703 6 жыл бұрын
Amazing speech Andreas A,You did it again !
@jm6193
@jm6193 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all you do Andreas
@Henry-id6iv
@Henry-id6iv 6 жыл бұрын
When Andreas Antonopolus speaks, time stops! This guy answered the one doubt I have been having about the future of Open vs Private Blockchains. Was at Oracle office on Tuesday and they said they were building their own Blockchain. Heard same from Nutanix, Microsoft and I think F5. Guys, we are as early in the game as possible. Countries will dump national fiat for Borderless, Censorship Resistant, Open-Source and Routable Money. This video does justice to Bitcoin and Cryptocurrencies. ANDREAS ANTONOPOLUS...Take a Bow!
@TheOMGPoPCorn
@TheOMGPoPCorn 6 жыл бұрын
12:10 KZbin is censoring the word "bullshit" in subtitles.
@bambamgolf
@bambamgolf 6 жыл бұрын
The Master on the mic🚀
@mickymtl
@mickymtl 6 жыл бұрын
"Money, the root of all evil, it's not the money that is dirty, it's the current architecture of money that is centralized..." You are half right but you forgot to mention it is the economic system that creates more inequality, strife and suffering in the world. It's ok Andrea keep going you'll realize it some day.
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Micky G ... Some believe it's not just the economic system but also the political system & the culture-language-beliefs that created greed, poverty, inequality, injustice, corruption, terrorism, violence, evil, megalomaniacs, etc. .... Just look at the news & history 😗
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
lchpdmq ... Equality will be like hell? You mean like some kind of “heat death” whereby every stuff has the same temperature & the net energy transfer is zero? But money controlled by the most corrupt/dishonest/ruthless? U mean investors-experts like Jamie Dimon, Janet Yellen, Warren Buffet, Christine Lagarde, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Richard Branson, Jordan Belfort & Joseph Stiglitz? So u think a “Star-trek/Shangri-La/Atlantis” like kind of economy-politics is just pure (deluded?) fantasy? Governments/rich must continue to enforce/increase tax/censorship/control of the people actions, diet, clothes, art, books, news, speech, thoughts, dreams, etc. to make people/society better/unequal?
@mickymtl
@mickymtl 6 жыл бұрын
"political system" I agree
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
lchpdmq ... You got a very good point there. Thus far, some would say the closest “Star-Trek/Shangri-La/Atlantis” we have is Switzerland. Maybe we just have to continue to rely on evolution (or revolution?) & technology (or STEM?) to progress to a more just & fair state. 😋
@drmiracolixe5505
@drmiracolixe5505 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this awesome talk about the fundamentals it's all about... And thanks for all of your efforts regarding the cryptosphere!
@Earej
@Earej 6 жыл бұрын
Jamie, stop disliking Andreas' videos!
@harshitaverma2695
@harshitaverma2695 Жыл бұрын
amazing talk.. I can feel the vibes
@AltcoinDaily
@AltcoinDaily 6 жыл бұрын
Great talk.
@jerusmdq
@jerusmdq 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed listening to your talk on Contoso Blockchain ;) Greetings from Argentina!
@DanielMelogpi
@DanielMelogpi 6 жыл бұрын
The talk is being recorded and is now on KZbin, but there is a guy over there with his stick recording the whole thing.... 🙄
@TrevKen
@TrevKen 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent ending. Money is a protocol for the human race. Not a product in itself. That's why Bitcoin emerged and so many are drawn to it, because people inherently know this. Yes you can make money from money or trading but the bigger Trojan horse is equality in global trade. The volatility will slow down as the greed from both the bulls going long and the bears going short. And then the only ups and downs will be effected by human population. Which is what money should represent.
@nomad_manhattan
@nomad_manhattan 6 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and thought provoking.
@reggierizaev
@reggierizaev 4 жыл бұрын
Is there other cryptocurrencys based on open Blockchain besides Bitcoin? Ethereum?
@VegardWikeby
@VegardWikeby 6 жыл бұрын
Love your love to share your wisdom with us.
@Andrew-wh2pn
@Andrew-wh2pn 6 жыл бұрын
You don't need a blockchain!! 👍💕 thank you i love your videos!
@petrstatsenko7425
@petrstatsenko7425 6 жыл бұрын
thank you for motivation
@michaelphoenix2501
@michaelphoenix2501 6 жыл бұрын
Andres is an unstoppable Locomotive!!
@antonvana3591
@antonvana3591 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@consciouscrypto3090
@consciouscrypto3090 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I have been trying to warn people about the threat posed by private blockchains, which companies and governments can use to try to take advantage of the technological revolution without the potential for social structure change that crypto introduces. Now I can see that I have nothing to fear, because though private blockchain doesn't need crypto, private blockchain is also shitty blockchain.
@alaaabbassi71
@alaaabbassi71 6 жыл бұрын
Great speech as always
@pankajsinghv
@pankajsinghv 6 жыл бұрын
I liked the talk on open Blockchain
@iskkarate
@iskkarate 6 жыл бұрын
"Blockchain" is now a buzzword like "social" and "Open" was for social media. BTC's organic growth and adoption rate is all down to its ingenious and revolutionary principles that cannot be re-created.
@doffmancrypto162
@doffmancrypto162 6 жыл бұрын
Masterful as usual.
@chiefsittingstill6061
@chiefsittingstill6061 6 жыл бұрын
I swear to God, looking out of the corner of my eye, at first I thought there was a cat following Andreas across the stage.
@lazlo12
@lazlo12 6 жыл бұрын
What about the use-cases of supply-chain management, asset-trading and other enterprise stuff where the participants do not want to share their activities with the whole world? Clearly they cannot be permission-less networks. Or what am I missing here? Are you saying all enterprise systems like the Hyperledger projects/blockchain nets on Azure ...etc are just a waste of time?
@FellowWorldCitizen
@FellowWorldCitizen 6 жыл бұрын
Laz good question!
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Laz ... Like privacy & intranet, there has often been a need/demand for both private & public goods-services
@lazlo12
@lazlo12 6 жыл бұрын
I think what he is bashing is EOS, the ripple net and other money grab jokes
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Laz ... Whether private or public system. Each system has it's own pros & cons. E.g. should 💰 be controlled by private/secretive entities like banks/governments or public/open entities like a transparent/auditable code/law?
@rb5955
@rb5955 6 жыл бұрын
why need a blockchain for this? Put it into a database.
@SlothyWoffy
@SlothyWoffy 6 жыл бұрын
I love open source software. Sent from my iPad
@SaveIdentity
@SaveIdentity 6 жыл бұрын
WE ARE OPEN CHAINED! What a sentence from A..A. 12:12 min): "The ability to use a bad word to make an important point..." Contra Cencorship, pro liberty.
@sandeepvk
@sandeepvk 6 жыл бұрын
Bought your book "Mastering Bitcoin". Nice book but paper quality suck, please pass the feedback to the publisher.
@PiriyaSambandaraksa
@PiriyaSambandaraksa 6 жыл бұрын
I've submitted a Thai subtitle for the video, if you would be so kind as to approve it so my non-english speaking friends can understand. :) Some words just does not exist in Thai, words like anti-censorship, open, is not directly translate-able. Tried my best.
@lhpleo
@lhpleo 6 жыл бұрын
Just smashed the approve button! I also revised some words and some phrases to be more intuitive to read, corrected some misspelled, hope you don't mind. Great work!
@PiriyaSambandaraksa
@PiriyaSambandaraksa 6 жыл бұрын
Dusit Neelapat thanks!
@bigmikee.2819
@bigmikee.2819 6 жыл бұрын
awesome conference!
@NotraNaum
@NotraNaum 6 жыл бұрын
Legendary.
@irinagrothe737
@irinagrothe737 6 жыл бұрын
Blockchain technology is the underlying system for cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and Ethereum. Scores can be developed, or by usage of websites and apps.
@MrMolecularscientist
@MrMolecularscientist 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Yes. This is one of your best yet. I will do my best to share this insightful message.
@a.gholiha6884
@a.gholiha6884 6 жыл бұрын
Good one. But why mix some coins that in reality is not decentralized and open (e.g. ripple) with others. You never discuss this issue.
@rakeshreddyabbireddy8876
@rakeshreddyabbireddy8876 6 жыл бұрын
may be we should find satoshi , so that andreas and satoshi can make decentralised internet
@ZacheryGlass
@ZacheryGlass 6 жыл бұрын
How can you talk about open Blockchains and mention Bitcoin and not Ethereum?
@davidbrunik9998
@davidbrunik9998 3 жыл бұрын
remarkable speech
@mirkoschwehr2119
@mirkoschwehr2119 6 жыл бұрын
What I see as a problem is the distribution of BTC. Have you (@aantonop) thought of other possibilities on how we could achieve fairer btc distribution for humanity? Perhaps when mainstream adoption is established, Satoshi distributes to every individual on earth its share of BTC. But atm it's heading in a different and bourgeois direction, isn't it?
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Mirko Schwehr ... Even air, rain, food, warmth, love, truth, trust, sunlight, knowledge, justice, education, etc. is not evenly distributed ... If you have a great idea, why not created/invent/invest your own coin that solve this distribution problem ☺
@mirkoschwehr2119
@mirkoschwehr2119 6 жыл бұрын
陳Jet But you cant argue against bourgeois structures and your solution is establishing just another bourgeois system... With the words of Rousseau: you need citoyens!
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Mirko Schwehr .. I've not proposed any systems/structures yet but merely point out that many things are not evenly distributed & asked if you can build/make a better one (hopefully better than centralised communism). In your response, your definition of bourgeois seems too broad. For example, unless u are a perfect being like God, your definition would include you body as a bourgeois system/structure itself.
@nion456789
@nion456789 6 жыл бұрын
Smashed the like...........
@JeremyBardwellGR
@JeremyBardwellGR 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas vs Roger. I want to see that debate.
@mikeyhanson78
@mikeyhanson78 6 жыл бұрын
Jeremy B lol I would love to see how quick Roger resorts to yelling and trying to belittle Andreas, because let's be honest, Roger doesn't have the depth of knowledge and understanding to debate. Andreas comes from the heart with this technology, Roger comes from the piggy bank.
@johnsmithh9341
@johnsmithh9341 6 жыл бұрын
Roger ver the bcash salesman
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Hanson ... Roger is an entrepreneur & like all human are not infallible ... Especially when pushed/trolled hard-regularly 😗
@johnsmithh9341
@johnsmithh9341 6 жыл бұрын
陳Jet Roger the salesman , Andreas the visionary
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Lee Mooney ... Salesman, entrepreneurs, visionaries, etc. They are needed to help this space grow
@dajosova
@dajosova 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@oko4051
@oko4051 6 жыл бұрын
subtitule in spanis, please
@mimicotiffany
@mimicotiffany 6 жыл бұрын
The future is open!
@asolomon15
@asolomon15 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@635574
@635574 6 жыл бұрын
The thing about the open blockchains that 99% of current users don't get is that the bigger fork might still lose its advantage later. You probably wont remember this message when it happens with Bitcoin Cash
@SpaceTimeTurtle
@SpaceTimeTurtle 6 жыл бұрын
Fan-bloody-TASTIC!!!!!
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
2:38 Andreas taking a swipe at Microsoft or Bill Gates? 😋
@pumba6099
@pumba6099 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas is Satoshi
@andrewclancy2511
@andrewclancy2511 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas doesn't lie, so that would be a no.
@karsy579
@karsy579 6 жыл бұрын
He is not smart enough to be either. He is a genius, but not of that caliber. Perhaps he is part of satoshi if satoshi is in fact a group of people.
@johncandlewick6561
@johncandlewick6561 6 жыл бұрын
no, he is an intelligent individual but not genius level.
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Mastermind ... So Andreas is smart, intelligent, talented &/or gifted but not a genius? What is a genius? Someone like Stephen Hawkings? Michael Jackson? Elvis Presley? Bruce Lee? Einstein? Tesla? Gauss? Newton? Galileo? Mozart? Beethoven? Leonardo? Michelangelo? Archimedes? Aristotle? Napoleon? Genghis Khan? Buddha? Sun Tzu? Unfortunately (or fortunately?) we don't have a Genius-o-meter or Genius-breath-analyser yet😙
@pumba6099
@pumba6099 6 жыл бұрын
陳Jet you love it don't you
@bitcoinlee
@bitcoinlee 6 жыл бұрын
将比特币和区块链的关系用因特网和HTML来做比较
@user-DongJ
@user-DongJ 6 жыл бұрын
Lijun Xie ... So is there something amiss by comparing 區塊鏈 with HTML?
@aulisicarii4371
@aulisicarii4371 6 жыл бұрын
Satoshi Antonopoulos
@gianluca.g
@gianluca.g 6 жыл бұрын
0:02 Andreas is like: "got a BSOD already?" lol
@goldenbulldozer3123
@goldenbulldozer3123 6 жыл бұрын
This message strikes Digibyte at it's core! Go Digibyte!
@NikLyons
@NikLyons 6 жыл бұрын
Is open source really free? I heard it wasn't necessarily as free as we think. If you think about encryption it's inherently closed to for the average joe hacker which could be a problem let's say if only a small group of people know how encrypted blockchains work because then that small group could in theory manipulate cryptocurrencies to their favor. I think maybe I need to learn more about how blockchains will work and evolve in the coming years. It would be awesome if aantops books were open source because I would like to truely under and overstand exactly how etherium and bitcoin and all these airdrop tokens make me a bit dizzy. I see money being like a battery in the future. Where we don't worry about price we just make sure we have enough of a charge to cover our expenses. I'm not a programmer obviously but I have some technical ability. Bitcoin is my hail mary. My faith in humanity. Our chance to create the kind of world we will be proud to bring children into. But in the back of my mind is riddled with questions and fears that we could be ushering in an Orwellian dystopian hell on earth. But I really don't think the doubt is justified. it's just remnants of my dna that have worked my fingers to the bone as my forefathers have only to be stripped and returned to the cancerous status quo system. On another note.. Hodl folks.. Stop shorting and selling for usd. We need to end our dependency on fiat war/blood/drug/petrol dollars.. I hope bitcoin drops some more so I can load up the truck. Cryto may be the realist money we will ever see folks
@LukesPersonalChannel
@LukesPersonalChannel 6 жыл бұрын
If you have access to it and little can stop that, then yes, it's free. Sometimes we have to go to great lengths to ensure it stays free though, i.e. Blockstream Satellite & GoTennas.
@MrApoptotic
@MrApoptotic 6 жыл бұрын
The books are open source, you can find them on github.
@marvinseton7357
@marvinseton7357 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas explains cryptos and block chain technology without sweat. Is this the Satoshi Nakamoto in disguise? Just asking...
@k-bala-vignesh
@k-bala-vignesh 6 жыл бұрын
excellent
@ketzalkiawitl
@ketzalkiawitl 6 жыл бұрын
You should ve dropped the mic
@mattt.7242
@mattt.7242 6 жыл бұрын
Wow he is talking about IOTA
@crashmonkeyz
@crashmonkeyz 6 жыл бұрын
I love you brotha!
@akawaka2
@akawaka2 6 жыл бұрын
It’s the LOVE of money that’s the root of all evil, not money itself. This is often misquoted.
@Tenebrousable
@Tenebrousable 6 жыл бұрын
And I still disagree the quote.
@hvancann
@hvancann 6 жыл бұрын
Andreas is direct and to the point again: blockchain is a hash linked data structure, it is a kind of boring, it is much more interesting how an open blockchain came to be... Open! : open source, open access, censorship resistance, borderless, neutrality The VC throwing money at you from the bath tub -> hahaha! (11:45)
@marcmiser8795
@marcmiser8795 6 жыл бұрын
Great !!!
@toptopten5625
@toptopten5625 3 жыл бұрын
thx
@daviddevriesere7967
@daviddevriesere7967 6 жыл бұрын
Hero!
@bitcoinbohr3706
@bitcoinbohr3706 6 жыл бұрын
You the man
@villekokkomaki
@villekokkomaki 6 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@Thinkmaverick
@Thinkmaverick 6 жыл бұрын
We're so early in this space, his videos are only getting 20k views. When his views reach 100k, bitcoin would be worth $30k.
@zzanzare
@zzanzare 6 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, but this is the first time I have to disagree with Andreas. Bitcoin runs on blockchain like html runs on web, not the other way around. Bitcoin is like the opensource web, say wikipedia, yes, but that is not the technology, the technology may be open or closed for better or worse. Being interested in the other applications of blockchain doesn't automatically mean you are a proprietary bank. Blockchain IS in fact that platform of trust, before blockchain we were not able to have truly trusless platform. Whatever you make on top of that platform is anyone's decision. I'm glad the platform was used to build new money system.
@hassanmidas7878
@hassanmidas7878 6 жыл бұрын
YES
@joemiller1057
@joemiller1057 6 жыл бұрын
EPIC
@Huh560
@Huh560 6 жыл бұрын
WOW!
@seeeee7883
@seeeee7883 6 жыл бұрын
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