Why Pokemon NEW Stellar Type is UNDERWHELMING Competitively

[@chompy_YT]

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[@smackjack78]

Stellar feels like a variation of the Gems from Gen 5: a boost to a move of a certain type that goes away after one use. Difference here is that only one pokemon at a time can have this perk. There’s potential with this mechanic, we’ll have to see how it does

[@roulant694]

Well look at the pokemon on your pfp, the new tera blast is neutral on everything but lowers attacking stats, Serperior with contrary will love to use that neutral on everything that also boost it's stats thanks to contrary

[@carto4028]

Personally I think stellar should have unlocked a type specific powerful 5th move while active. Somewhat like a Z move but with an effect linked to the primary type of the Pokemon. It would be clunky if designed improperly but could add a new strategy of what a Pokemon can and cannot utilize on the field. Each type would have a stellar move associated with it somewhat like how dynamax changed the moves after activation.

[@nicolasromani3523]

Now i wonder how good Flying Gem Acrobatics Sneasler would be.

[@69metersbelow25]

Nah there isn't much. It will be mainly thrown on contrary pokemon and terapagos

[@JayClearman411]

The gems were an awesome idea wish they brought them back.. or at least some of em especially in gen 8 at least

[@formerlypie8781]

Gems got banned in gen 5 because they gave a one time 50% boost to a single move at the cost of an item slot, this givea a mon a one time 50% boots to each of its moves types and doesnt take an item slot. This sounds pretty good

[@daniellejackson6543]

The problem is that it takes your tera slot. Chances are, it will be really good regardless. Also, terapagos literally doesn't have this restriction in its stellar form. It can literally spam stellar boosted moves without limit.

[@GravityIsFalling]

Also it’s 20% not 50%

[@ProvidenceSP]

@@GravityIsFalling it's 50%, is a STAB boost to the attack

[@GravityIsFalling]

@@ProvidenceSP It’s 1.2 per move per type per game, except your original stab which is 2x once

[@rever6612]

But you cant tera only once per battle. For gems you were spending 1 of the 6 items you have in a battle.

[@mattmanley7118]

It’s great for heavy coverage sweepers that’s it in my opinion. I’m glad it’s not super broken in order to simply sell the DLC, which is what usually happens. The Pokémon itself, though is really cool. Terapagos is excellent looking. Going to try Stellar on Archaludon great coverage moves.

[@daniellejackson6543]

I added something that you might want to know about terapagos in a comment.

[@雪者]

Trying out Stellar typing on my transferred mons too. Thinking one of Legendaries

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

Stellar is good to grant One Time STAB to your coverage without compromising ur defensive typing So stuff with rly good defensive typing would like this.

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

So Stellar on Archaludon would be gr8

[@youngwill1697]

It Just Feels Like Z MOVES Again

[@genarftheunfuni5227]

I feel like Serperior and Hisuian Zoroark are some of the Pokémon that benefit the most from this mechanic. Serperior because Tera Blast in this mode grants a Contrary Boost that does nice neutral damage on anything, and can destroy Terastalized foes. And Hisuian Zoroark because that way it can get the offensive benefits of being Terastalized but without giving up it's Ghost/Normal type combination.

[@robbierotten2024]

I think this is gonna crap on Kingambit in singles. No more guessing games, if he uses Tera he will get hit super effectively by Tera blast, otherwise it’s neutral. I think you can have a Stellar Mon designed to be anti gambit essentially. Choice specs Tera stellar Tera blast should be good, plus it’s a specs Mon and you won’t be wasting much cuz you won’t have to waste your Tera on it if you don’t need to do so.

[@GravityIsFalling]

What if it doesn’t Tera, plus you have to be able to take a potential +2 5 fallen sucker

[@peco595]

​@GravityIsFalling If it doesn't tera, stellar tera blast is 100 base power(I believe, fact checking needed) and guaranteed neutral damage. Stellar tera will see the most use with tera blast specifically since it becomes far more versatile

[@GravityIsFalling]

@@peco595 It’ll effectively be 120 on its first use…but a 120 move that isn’t even stab ain’t doing shit to gambit

[@peco595]

@GravityIsFalling Special attackers will do better against it for sure. Idea though is that it's consistent damage with potential to wreck it if it teras regardless of what the tera is.

[@daniellejackson6543]

Terapagos doesn't have the only 1 boost per type limit and can spam stab bolt beams or other coverage moves all it wants and this has a lot of coverage not to mention how reliable of a move tera starstorm is. I have no idea why smogon is allowing this in ou on day 1 though it definitely won't last long.

[@elpopman2055]

Terapagos Has no limits on Stellar? U sure?

[@thebananaboy9104]

​@@elpopman2055positive

[@Boarbatrice]

Fastest quick ban ever. Probably gonna make regieleki look slow

[@69metersbelow25]

​@@elpopman2055It's already been tested. It has no drawbacks

[@joe_the_zombie]

People said gems were bad once, ya know

[@Sketch_XR]

Seems to me like it's meant for Pokemon that are always going to run 4 moves of different types. It feels like they wanted to make a mechanic that could make offensive Pokemon function similar to how Sheer Force Nidoking did in Gen 5.

[@robertofratello5203]

I think stellar tera could have some usage despite its high opportunity cost. It's like a mon having multiple gems/z-crystals while holding an item. On the other hand stellar tera blast looks hard to fit in. Its drawback sucks except for serperior, and it's worthless if you don't tera unless you're a normal special attacker.

[@brendanboomhour7606]

What does Stellar type even do with Tera Blast

[@keeganstormblade5456]

@@brendanboomhour7606 Stellar Tera Blast lowers attack and special attack by one stage every time its used. On a Contrary Serperior, it'd be getting buffed instead.

[@brendanboomhour7606]

@@keeganstormblade5456 so basically, it's useful to contrary Serperior by default, and/or anything you can put contrary on via skill swap and such?

[@keeganstormblade5456]

@@brendanboomhour7606 That's about right, yes.

[@A_Ali173]

Well if it was super OP, it would make all the other 18 Tera types redundant which wouldn’t be healthy for the metagame in my opinion

[@insertclevernamehere1186]

I feel like there was a better solution here: make it a truly balanced type. No weaknesses, no resistances, no immunities (maybe first turn resistance like Terapagos' Tera Shell?). And on the offensive side, every move type gets the 50% STAB bonus, but no stacking with the original type, so 50% across the board. IMO, this would balance it out because while you're getting more strength added to your coverage moves and ridding yourself of weaknesses, you're also not getting double STAB on anything and losing you resistances.

[@carto4028]

Okay but here's a question. How do you all think the stellar type should have done? What mechanic should this type have performed. It would have to be something useable but not so overpowered that it invalidates normal tera.

[@69metersbelow25]

Super effective against every type. It's incredibly underwhelming on any pokemon that doesn't have contrary or terrapgoes

[@carto4028]

@@69metersbelow25 nah that's way to overpowered

[@kallyle6611]

There’s three things in particular I would change about the mechanic: 1. Make it so the boost to any type of attack isn’t a one time deal. However, the same type can’t be boosted twice in a row. This gives the Stellar Tera Type a more strategic functionality that prevents you from spamming the same move but also doesn’t require each type boost to be a one and done deal. 2. Give it some defensive utility. Either like the Stellar Tera Type give the user a one-time Tera Shell effect against moves it’s normally weak to, or have it act like the Filter ability. 3. Don’t have Tera Blast give you status drops after every use. That’s just a bit excessive to what’s otherwise a fairly balanced way to handle this version of Tera Blast.

[@Gold-Dango]

The only pokemon i feel like will benefit from this are Moxie users. The one time push could be enough for them to just sweep since they will receive a boost if they manage to KO. I feel this will work especially well on Gyarados just because of Bullet Punch Scizor, Mach Punch users etc. , plus it gets to keep its EQ immunity and its auspicious typing only weak to Thunderbolt.

[@chompy_YT]

fair that is a good point

[@RockOrso2]

It's built to target Tera Raids but not competitive since the buff lasts indefinitely and weeds out bad dual types from the good ones.

[@fatyoshi696]

stellar tera was definitely a challenge for game freak to balance, when you're making a modified version of a system mechanic it's extremely hard to properly balance it since when using it you have a totally different relationship with everything else in the game, one small tweak and it could've completely invalidated regular tera. I'm kinda glad they chose the safe route and made it underpowered so we keep the variety of regular tera

[@99sonder]

One hundred percent agree! When it comes to the power of a mechanic like this, any small detail could change it from being useless to just being better in every way to other tera types. With Tera pre-stellar, even if you'd argue that while each Pokemon has 18 choices of types to tera into, there only really are 3 viable options (say Water, Fairy, STAB for most Pokemon), that's still 3 options for you to choose from giving you an interesting decision when making teams. If Stellar is useless, you still have 3 viable options. If Stellar is a balanced option, then you have 4 viable options. If Stellar is overpowered and just better than the other tera types, then you really only have ONE option.

[@zero1343]

The one pokemon that comes to mind for using this is porygon with adaptability. I'm not sure how the numbers work with it all, but a pokemon like that could make use of Stella.

[@Axelpvz2030]

For stellar type they should have made this, defensively you are typeless, offensively you get the 1.5 boosts to everything, but instead of losing it right away, spamming the same type attack lowers both your attacks after the second use of a type. Defensively you just throw away all types interactions, and offensively you can get up hight damage, but can´t just sweep thought everything without some setup of coverage. A more "flexible" but kinda limited tera option when still useable for more than a few turns

[@rubenduenas5881]

They should have called it Omni type tbh

[@Mr_Wholegrain]

I don't know if Stellar would've benefited from having the same restrictions as Protean/Libero, meaning you use it once and it resets when you swap out and back in, allowing you to use it again.

[@noishfanboy1141]

Imo stellar was very clearly designed to be an anti tera boost sweeping mechanic. Since against mons like gambit or valiant you dont need to go into guessjng games with their tera type and can just blast them for super effective regardless. The offense drop doesnt really matter considering how much of gen 9 is built around having a tera boost sweeper win con so getting rid of that kinda crumbles the whole opposing team. The thing that makes me really believe that this was an explicit move by gamefreak to nerf tera sweepers was that it doesnt change your defensive profile. This is probably so that those same tera boost sweepers cant utilize this mechanic like they can with regular tera. Even if it made you neutrak to everything it would still be incredibly good. Imagine fightinf gambit with no weaknesses that also gets a one time extra kick on the sucker punch. Overall i think that the mechanic is pretty good in its role of a pretty extreme anti offense tool since it sacrifices all the defensive utility of twra for a much more favorable matchup against enemy tera sweepers. Really says something about the current state of gen 9 that gamefreak had to go this far to create a solid anti tera sweeper mechanic. And the point of "it takes up your tera" doesnt really matter as much as you might think because targeted removal of a tera sweeper means thst the rest of the team is either dead or much more manageable since they lack the threat of an isntant game win with their valiant or gambit out cold

[@hugomventura]

i feel like stellar might work for tinted lens, rocky payload or sand force mons. they benefit from more then one boosted move and so the stellar boost will make it go crazy. problem is these mons don't really have the stats to do much.....

[@kaiyuenng1032]

Someone realised it’s actually 1.2 times boost?🤣

[@GrowingDownUnder]

What about adaptability + fake out/extreme speed + stellar??? those priority moves may be more dangerous. Sure you can use pixelate, galvanize, aerilate, refrigerate those types of abilities which give a 1.5x boost but adaptability is already 2x + stellar stab boost that's kinda broken especially if it stacks with choice band/life orb/muscle band too

[@vvlaze]

I’m not complaining, I’d rather it be niche with a couple of uses rather than something that bulldozes the meta that had developed around tera.

[@jaydenys8040]

They could have made it so that it’s weak to the typing that it resists and resist the typing that’s super effective to it which means ice types will get a better chance since they only have one resistance

[@Magikarpador]

the only gimmick i can think of this potentially enabling is stuff like contrary stellar tera blast assuming that will even work

[@bananaspice1967]

Chompy doing his name justice and chomped on the mic

[@RxPablito]

I feel like it should mostly be used on very fast offensive mons to make them the ultimate terra mon revenge killers

[@i.c.2552]

They were afraid of making it broken, so they nerfed it too much. If it changed your defensive typing, it would be a lot better despite the drawbacks of the STAB and Tera Blast

[@fernandoaguero1638]

I think they had a different idea but scratch it off at the last moment.

[@Hensley_Jb]

Really like the idea honestly

[@banbowyt8945]

It’s good in raids like with arceus and his shifting types

[@Sikk2]

That Audio though 💀

[@RogoŻabka]

moxie boosted was like "its over" Chompy is like "ye its decent, may be little weak but still"

[@daniellejackson6543]

New comment terapagos might still suck in ubers so here is another good user for the stellar type if you hear me out. Dragon dance weakness policy necrozma dusk mane. With the tera it can take advantage of weakness policy as it doesn't alter weaknesses and the stellar boost can be very strong.

[@sovest555]

The way I see it, Stellar type is more aimed towards being a QoL for Tera Raids while not inadvertedly unbalancing competitive play too much. Sure, it will have some uses in competitive play, but that is not where it will truly shine.

[@BladeRabbit]

People were so hyped for Stellar type until it turned out to be only a 1.2x boost to non stab...

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

Competitively this is mid but I don't really care about competitive gameplay I prefer online singles format so I can see some uses here and there

[@robbierotten2024]

I mean, online singles *is* a competitive format. You’re just not going to tournaments and stuff

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

@@robbierotten2024 true, I just made that statement under the of assuming that he was talking about competitive tournaments

[@daniellejackson6543]

​@@douglaspope-gz1eqHe mostly talks about singles.

[@douglaspope-gz1eq]

@@daniellejackson6543 makes sense I haven't been with the channel for very long

[@Ambipie]

If your type is already good and you have a tera blast tm lying around...

[@Eevee007King]

It's really good on any Contrary mons

[@TaLeng2023]

Is it once only or once per each type of attack you have?

[@Ambipie]

Shouldve given Stellated pokemon a torment. No spammo

[@ragnaricstudios5888]

Honestly I’m just glad they didn’t make it broken so it wouldn’t be an instant win

[@anairhorn9448]

crocs can bark too 🐶🐶

[@nerdyfalco408]

I think GF was really afraid to make a broken new mechanic and ruin competitive, that they just neutered the stellar type from the start

[@baxterbruce9827]

This is probably for 4 attack sets and a way to counter Tera Guessing Games people keep complaining about

[@virtualcolt]

I gave it to my Archaludon and its very fun to use, but yes, it reaaaally sucks for competitive. Meaning this is a balanced terastalization, and the other tera types should just be banned forever.

[@kyouhei7731]

pair this with serperior and it might be good

[@Gamer18e]

Contrary Enamorous Terablast

[@justme14357]

Yeah i agree. Good Idea but this wont be good on all Pokemon.

[@tomkarate1]

technically it is not even a type. It is only called a "type" by name. It is just a one-time boost, like a Z move.

[@Flamelance_Accendo]

Heh, that mispelling lol

[@GravityIsFalling]

It’s 1.2 boost not 1.5x brw

[@rjagad]

Terrapagos in OU? It's not *that* mid.

[@nathanieljones8043]

🐕 woof woof

[@sovietbirdz]

🐶

[@GrowingDownUnder]

The types we really needed: Gas type Sun/light type (opposite of dark) Demon type (opposite of fairy) Moon type (because there is already moonlight it just has no pokemon to benefit from it) Mythical or god type (give the new legendarys their own typing like mythical / god type) And then there's other elements crystal, rubber, plasma, glass, sand, paper, etc...

[@gligarguy4010]

What a weird take

[@jarrodharvey5873]

🐶