Why Qui-Gon Said He Was Deeply Ashamed of the Way Anakin Was Trained - Star Wars Explained

[@slysupersonic]

Even in death, Qui-gon still believed in Anakin. That really hits deep. I just shed a tear at that point. Luke may have been the only one who could have SAVED him from the darkside, but Qui-gon was the only one who could have PREVENTED him from falling to it in the first place.

[@islandmaster5064]

That is why his fight with Maul is called duel of the fates

[@srccde]

One way or another, the Jedi Order had to be destroyed in order to bring balance to the Force. Therefore, there was never a way for Anakin not to fall to the dark side. Qui-Gon's training would've only prevented that balance from being achieved which is why he had to die. It was the will of the Force.

[@Ancienthistoryshorts]

Qui gon was more in balance with the force than anyone else in the Jedi order he wouldn’t have kept Anakin from bringing balance and the destruction or the order may have been the only way to balance out the force but Anakin and qui gon would’ve would have distanced themselves from the order to complete anakins training so they wouldn’t be present for the fall of the order the force would’ve kept them away until the order was gone then they would’ve gone and killed the sith and started a new order in complete balance in the force so the sith won’t ever return again

[@liborohanka5010]

I think, if he survived, he could play big role in history and many things could be different. I agree, that Jedi order was too corrupted and Force wanted it gone, but that doesn't mean, that there weren't some good seed(real Jedi) in it, that could be saved. Anakin or Vader aren't really important for Order 66. Palpatine has good plan and he exposed himself only because he wanted Anakin as student. I imagine, That Qui Gon would talk with Count Dooku and Separatists and in the end, he would agree with them at some points and decide to join them. He could bring CD back and create conflict inside Separatists between Sith followers and Jedi group under Qui Gon. In the end, order 66 would happen and Republic Jedi would be massacred, but branch would survive and join Rebelion/separatists remains in figh against New Empire and they would win, be it thanks to Anakin or Luke or someone else, I don't know, but result would be similar to original, just Jedi would survive in some form (after many changes).

[@PugOverboard]

@@srccdeWhy do people keep saying this? George Lucas has said on the record like 15 times that the Jedi being exterminated had nothing to do with either the prophecy or being balance to the force. Balance was all about destroying Palpatine AND JUST Palpatine.

[@timtam2400]

Qui-Gon is arguably the most respectable Jedi. He believed in the old ways, and knew what being a Jedi really meant. The Jedi Order in the prequels was no longer fit for its title. Tragic as the Jedi purge was, it was pretty much the reality check they needed.

[@rickjames5998]

lol i hope School kids dont get reality checks

[@tyronleung5276]

​@@rickjames5998they do if incels act on their anti social toxic behavior or edge lord depressed mentally ill racist white supremacist isn't targetting innocent easy targets

[@omnipotent8773]

I don't know if genocide counts as "reality check". Cuz... they're dead.

[@Breelik]

@@rickjames5998 Its called life

[@KenpachiX420]

Reality check they needed? You don't learn anything from dying. They murdered children. Is death what they needed?

[@alainthibault184]

He was pretty much the only Jedi who liked Anakin

[@pablosoleramaeso4561]

Obi Wan? Edit: Ahsoka?

[@robertagu5533]

Obi an Yoda didn't ever seem to have a problem with him an at times even windu's relationship with him was almost like/hate.

[@bustedsaint9442]

@@pablosoleramaeso4561he said liked, not loved.

[@inuyasha0413]

Anakin had four people who truly loved him: Shmie Skywalker, Qui Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Padme Amidala all in very different ways. Shmie Skywalker Loved him because that's his Mom, Qui Gon Jinn loved him like he was his very own son, and Padawan. Obi-Wan Kenobi loved him like a brother because They were both Qui Gon Jinn's students in both of their own eyes. Padme loved him because that's her lover, soulmate which makes me hate this part of the story

[@liam6170]

@inuyasha0413 an what about Ashoka?

[@marcmartel7542]

Qui-Gon looks like he was the only one really tuned with the force, the other Jedi was only using it. It's sad that he lost against a Sith assassin!

[@EliteGi]

But also poetic as he wasn't a knight like Obi-Wan, and would have trained and guided Anakin, embracing his flaws rather than shunning them, but if that had happened then for the prophecy to be fulfilled something even darker must have taken place for Anakin to bring balance...

[@GGBlaster]

@@EliteGihmm, not necessarily. Order 66 was still planned at that point, and Qui-Gon probably would’ve had a fat target on his back as Palpatine would know that Anakin would never turn if trained by him. But assuming Qui-Gon survived all the way to Order 66, he an Anakin probably wouldn’t be with the Jedi on Coruscant; instead they’d explore the mysteries of the Force on a different planet, separated from the war.

[@alexmartin3143]

Yeah, he died before you could survive being impaled by a light saber…

[@williamklemp3764]

​@@alexmartin3143 good fucking God, IKR? Fuckin Disney bullshit

[@ericmatthews8497]

And yet he died at the hands of a Sith Padawan? Stop trying to make the Prequels make sense.. They just sucked.

[@31minutesago]

The padawan who is not embraced by the council, will burn it down to feel it's warmth.

[@Carnivore301]

What do you get, when you cross, a spiritually ill jedi, with a council, THAT ABANDONS HIM, AND TREATS HIM LIKE TRASH?!!!

[@31minutesago]

@@Carnivore301 Me.

[@namenamed8879]

@@Carnivore301 they counsel didn’t even abandoned him, they just treated him like any other Jedi. Mr chosen one thought he was to special for that.

[@Carnivore301]

@namenamed8879 I take it you haven't watched Joker.

[@namenamed8879]

@@Carnivore301 yea I have, great movie, but joker is a deranged psychopath that should be put down realistically no matter what his reason are, if that’s your comparison for skywalker then he’s not in best of company lol.

[@allanpatterson6741]

Imagine had the Jedi weren't so narcissistic and had empathy and compassion for Anakin's mother, used their resources, bought her out of slavery and didn't refrain from training him to his full potential. I think the facts that his mother meant nothing to the Jedi and they made him feel he wasn't trustworthy.....yet, they'd not hesitate sending him off to danger. That would create a lot of resentments for many people.

[@scottb3034]

Didn't bother Anakin at all since he wanted to be a Jedi until the very last moment he couldn't and hated having to leave them behind.

[@Gor85]

Qui-Gon has unique view on everything. He's unique,in every way. Qui-Gon always completely in Anakin. I can imagine how shocked he was with everything that happened. But he knew it had to happen. It was will of the Force. And prophesized mileniums ago. May the Force be with you too😊

[@ChronoXShadow]

I agree that Qui-gon wholeheartedly believed in the Force, that he played the long game of making Obi-Wan train Anakin because the Council was about to deny Qui-gon the role anyways, and that Qui-gon was right in training Anakin in the ways of the Jedi rather than letting the Council hide Anakin away or just releasing him back to the galaxy without any help. And the legends canon makes sense. Qui-gon is still human in the end, and there's no way he wouldn't feel remorse for putting all this unwanted and heavy responsibilities on Obi-Wan and on Anakin.

[@freakboy220]

If this is the will of the force then it makes some think that maybe Kreia had a point that The Force is a monster that only cares about balancing itself out even at the expense of billions of innocent lives.

[@robinfoster7597]

The Jedi are responsible for Anakin's turn to the dark side. They allowed him to be groomed by a Sith right under their noses! They accepted slavery, what is that? This whole "no atachments" thing seems to be code for "not our problem" . They are a great disappointment!

[@taetrrtot6205]

They played a part but they aren't responsible only Anakin himself is directly responsible. Things can influence people but your decisions determine who you are not your influences

[@nmz3450]

​​@@taetrrtot6205True if we see Anakin as a normal human, but he is literally one of the most powerful beings in existence, it is most definitely the responsibility of those around him to tread carefully if they believed in his potential

[@kristiancasipit6005]

thats why Obiwan got a power boost in the force for havimg attachments to leia and luke.. the will to live and protect them

[@taetrrtot6205]

@@nmz3450 Anakin is a person how powerful he is or his potential doesn't change that

[@scottb3034]

A disappointment Qui-Gon approved of and was very much a part of.

[@august6281]

Qui-Gon: _"He is the Chosen One to bring balance."_ Council in power for too long: _"Good"_ Qui-Gon: _"Did you all not hear what i just said?"_

[@kiraxbara456blitz6]

Except he did. The absence of dark is balance according to lucas.

[@Angyali]

Anakin did bring balance, but only after belonging to both sides for a generation of a time.

[@alexburt1323]

Is Qui Gon partly responsible for Anakin? Actually answer is yes. Before he was killed, he saw how Kenobi had few instincts outside the Order and was more likely to be the Council and follow the Code; which happened in Episode 3. Dooku and Plo Koon would have been better choices to train Ani. Dooku would have been an excellent Father figure for him. He wouldn't have burdened Anakin with the Prophecy and chances are would've made sure Shmi was safe from the Tuskin Raiders or rescued her made sure she was treated medically. Plo Koon would be more of a understanding friend when it came to Anakin being picked on and him having attachments.

[@scottb3034]

Qui-Gon also believed in a lot of the Jedi dogma and suffered from the same flaws....such as allowing the slavery outside of the Republic to continue and hiding behind excuses to not change it. Acknowledging that Anakin would have to leave his mother and basically saying "tough shit" since his response to Anakin becoming a Jedi was simply, "Being a Jedi is not an easy life". He was extremely culpable in Anakin's failures and wouldn't have done much better than Obi-Wan since as much of a maverick as he was, he ultimately toed the line when required. Dooku was already on the outs and wouldn't have remained in the Order to train Anakin. His impetus for leaving was Qui-Gon's death.

[@jasondyrkacz8270]

​@@scottb3034 Qui Gon might've had planned to try to get Shmi her freedom later on.

[@scottb3034]

@@jasondyrkacz8270 Or not at all since he made it very clear he didn't have any plan to once his gambit to free them both failed.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@scottb3034Given that Qui Gon was about following the willing force more then the code as well as having met Shmi in person and having hands on experience with her and Ani if Anakin told Qui Gon he kept having dreams or visions that feel to real of his Mother in pain Qui Gon would most likely see that as a sign from the living force telling them that they need to find her and save her while they still have the chance yeah.

[@scottb3034]

@@matthewmann8969 Perhaps. That is the best argument for Qui-Gon being different from the rest of the Jedi but he still stepped in line with the Republic and Jedi regarding the slavery issue in the stuff involving him in the saga. At this point he has to be considered them same as them on this matter...although, again, your hypothetical makes more sense than most.

[@carlosgarza400]

You can easily blame your brother by saying so, but it's harder to blame your parent outloud

[@patcole7038]

I would like to hear Qui Gon's thoughts on how the council and Obi-Wan treated Anakin during his training. When they lied about his force visions about his mother, or the time they denied him the rank of Master but still putting him on the council to humiliate him.

[@9Gorgeous]

They didn’t lie about his dream, obi wan said dreams fade in time he isn’t as force perceptive as anakin that’s ignorance not lying and Darth sidious use the council pride against them with the power of the senate placing anakin on council knowing they wouldn’t grant him rank of master because it would be considered given palpatine the rank since he was a representative of palpatine. Now safe guarding info about the force from the chosen one was stupid lol actually that was there flaw stupidity and ignorance while acting high and mighty

[@patcole7038]

@@9Gorgeous The council did meet and come to conclusion that Anakin was seeing force visions of his mother. Obi-Wan was instructed to tell Anakin he was merely feeling homesick.

[@me-lu5sl]

Anakin did not deserve the rank of Master, just because Palpatine foreced him into the council.

[@me-lu5sl]

It was Palpatine's plan to put him into the council knowing they would not give him rank of master. It was always just to get him into the dark side. Why would the Jedi randomly give out rank of master to someone who was on the council only because outside forcec?

[@bradleychan5684]

"Lying" is a bit of a stretch...When even traditional Jedi have trouble telling the difference between a dream and a genuine force vision being cautious is just common sense. Plus, self-fulfilling prophecies could and have happened before in Jedi history. In addition, Anakin has always been REALLY rash and cocky to both his benefit and detriment (alongside eagerly doing some acts that could be considered "war crimes" from an unbiased outsider's point of view). As for "denying him the rank of Master but still putting him on the council", logically, that was the right move. Heck, the biggest reason why Anakin became a Knight ranked Jedi was because wartime required more warriors on the field which the Jedi Order didn't even like anyway. Then Palpatine, a very politically inclined individual, suddenly recommends the very un-politically inclined individual that is Anakin as a part of the Jedi council even though the Senate has no political sway in the matter? Even a tarnished, imperfect Jedi order would find that REALLY weird.

[@jamesblinzler7421]

I’ve always believed that it took an understanding of both sides of the force to balance it. Anikin did just that. Luke followed in his footsteps.

[@Kazanko28]

I understand what you are getting at, but I don't think that applies here. I wouldn't say that Anakin ever really deeply understood the force like Qui Gon did. Anakin to me always seemed like he was just a super talented force user, that just happened to be brought up as a Jedi, but has no real discipline or wisdom, which is why he was manipulated into destroying the Jedi order, the relationship with his wife, etc. The only time that Anakin really came to truly understand anything, would be right before he died. In this case I believe that what Stupendous Wave said here was true, the Jedi were growing to strong and corruptible as an entity. For the most part they didn't really follow the will of the force any longer, just their own hubris as an Order of force users. Palpatine wasn't right in what he did, and the Jedi were not fully right in the way they were either. But the force willed that balance be restored, and Anakin did this, by bringing down the Jedi order, and Palpatine as well. Lucas has also said though, that balance in the force is the absence of a strong dark side force of users of it. So it could have also just been, that the force willed that Anakin take down Palpatine, which he could have done as a Jedi, but unfortunately, the prophecy didn't say when and how Anakin would do this, and little did Qui Gon know, it required him to fall and commit unspeakable atrocities to finally come back around and fulfill his destiny.

[@jamesblinzler7421]

@@Kazanko28 he gained understanding from embracing the dark side from originally light side roots . The force is all encompassing and the weilder is the balance. It wouldn’t have mattered if Doku or Palpatine turned light side and truly understood the will of the force and gained and grew from the experience. But Anikin was the chosen and I believe he truly saw the light and the dark and struggled with both but was there to see the awesome force behind all life and death…power and forgiveness. Love of the force and true hate of loss.

[@jamesblinzler7421]

@@Kazanko28 and thank you Kazanko28 from one Star Wars fan to another “may the force be with you”

[@Mellowcanuck33]

In a way, Yoda's fear led to Anakin not being accepted whole heartedly.

[@hsthatzo8063]

Less fear and more complacency. Yoda was probably one of the few jedi who could control every emotion, including fear, otherwise Sidious would have ate him alive.

[@jamesofallthings3684]

Fear is a path to the darkside. More hypocrisy.

[@ethanhanson6526]

Unpopular opinion: Obi Wan wasn't ready to accept a padawan when Qui Gon died.

[@dankdynamic5832]

That's actually pretty popular

[@ParaplegicKeanuReeves]

Yeah that's obvious lol

[@quarentman5100]

There is no way Obi Wan was ready for the Herculean task this would be, a fresh Jedi knight having JUST left his masters side (by force I might add), training not someone trained from such an early age to be a Jedi, but rather a slave boy saved from said enslavement. Having to also play the only parental figure in this boys life, while having very limited support from the Jedi order, this alone would be hard for anyone to do.

[@marial8235]

Obi Wan would have done well with the average Padawon, but Anakin had severe personality disorders, maybe from enslavement. Obi Wan was too close in age for Anakin and his issues. The thing is that Kenobi did teach Anakin well, but you can only teach those willing to learn.

[@bradleychan5684]

No. This isn't an "Unpopular opinion" at all. This is a fact. Obi-Wan wasn't even ready to accept a traditionally Jedi-raised padawan that soon. He was even less prepared to accept Anakin who had massive psychological scars and no Jedi-style padawan background. Obi-Wan was still reeling from Qui-Gon's death by a Sith-like individual that nobody had seen for hundreds of years. Had Obi-Wan and Anakin had years to step back, learn, heal, and process the bombshells that occurred, maybe things would have been better. Alas, they never got that time.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

I think Obi-Wan even if he was still lying actually had a shred of truth in saying Anakin is at fault for falling to the dark side, there was a video in a different KZbin channel and I believe it was covered in this channel as well that explained as to why in legends Kenobi forgave Ventress and even believed she could be redeemed as opposed to his view on Vader, and I think this is relevant even now as said in that video Anakin had so many resources and people to turn to that he actively chose Palpatine over all of those other choices, so he is at fault in that regard to falling.

[@mariusconstantin6057]

Resources that proove moot iif it was the Will of the Force. To be fair, after his mother's death and Palpatine screwing his life didn't see much of a choice than to defy the Will of the Force. But I could be wrong

[@pt5728]

He actively chose palpatine because that’s the type of mentor he needed,one that acted more of a father figure. If the person he chose go Yo was manipulating him and everyone then its either palpatine me fault or it’s the Jedi’s fault as much as Anakins

[@chadflanaganCFC]

You both make very good points I'm not saying it, to mean that Anakin wasn't ultimately manipulated by Palpatine, he absolutely was but everyone knows that moment in Revenge of the Sith where he goes to the Senate building, the novelization covers it better, as Shaak Ti tries to get Anakin to open up about what's wrong and he essentially tells her to buzz off and get out of his way, the novelization goes even further into his thoughts as when he gets to the scene of Mace "beating* Palpatine he has a huge internal debate about it even acknowledging after that there's no going back for what he's done, and how he's made a bad decision. This isn't to excuse Anakin by any means but he never had a chance against Palpatine's machinations for him.

[@DarkSide_Gaming21338]

He may have had resources but what is the point of them if they don’t really help you out… I mean I think it’s pretty obvious if he couldn’t even talk to someone about his mother or worry about her without being told to let go of his feelings. Than later when he ask yoda about his nightmares he’s just told don’t worry about it and move on. The Jedi tried to train him like how they had for thousands of years but he wasn’t like other Jedi. He was far more powerful and had grown up with attachment, pain, suffering, happiness and sadness. There were so many things different about him but the Jedi were set in their ways and ultimately failed him. Star Wars theory did a breakdown of his mindset recently I think which did a really good job of explaining what he was going through. Even before I watched that though I always felt like it wasn’t so much as Anakin failed the Jedi but rather the Jedi failed Anakin.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

@@DarkSide_Gaming21338 I think I know which video you're talking about, and you aren't wrong in the slightest the Jedi absolutely failed Anakin they made an exception in taking Anakin in, they should of continued to do so, by investing in their prophesied Chosen One, the bit of concern Shaak Ti showed Anakin should of been there from the start, and honestly the council should of dispatched at least a knight to retrieve and rescue his Mother instead of leaving her enslaved in a gang infested desert hellhole of a planet.

[@deadbrother5355]

Qui gon is my favorite (+yoda). Hes just the best. Also that outro music slaps.

[@MasterPhnxC]

Qui gon is also my favorite Jedi.

[@Crimethoughtfull]

Wow--what a concept! "It was the will of the force that the Jedi fall". That's the first time in years that a concept in Star Wars has made me stop and think. And then when we consider that Luke Skywalker's reformed Jedi were better and stronger than the Jedi Order that fell--well, that only lends weight to that idea. Well done Mr. Wave.

[@matthewmann8969]

Qui Gon should of asked Obi Wan to promise to have Anakin trained if not by himself then by another Jedi like ones that are more unorthodox like Shaak Ti, Dooku, Windu, Quinlan Vos, Plo Koon, Or Yaddle yeah.

[@ryankwon8785]

To be honest, Plo Koon might have been a better teacher than Obi-Wan. He is wise and calm, so much so that the clones love him until Order 66.

[@DeathScepter]

@@ryankwon8785 Plo Koon has better empathy while balancing the Jedi way. Ki Mun di would be a horrible teacher for Anakin. Obi Wan was too young to be an Jedi Instructor for anyone including Anakin. Anakin has plenty of baggage that Palpatine happily exploited.

[@StrykeSZN]

unfortunately this was way too early for this but kanan jarrus would’ve been the hands down best teacher for anakin

[@MrDoreius]

(what was her name again?) Wasnt there a jedi that was human and over 100 years old yet never aged, because she only folowed the force? Maybe she would have been a good teacher, at least following the living force and getting a connection to it, but not a direct master.

[@DeathScepter]

@@MrDoreius Fay is whom you are thinking of. She has the empathy, wisdom and understanding of the Jedi way to help a troubled youth like Anakin. Her and Dark Woman would help Anakin to deal with his trauma with both firmness (the dark woman) and compassion (Fay). Dark Woman is the type of Jedi Master would be firm with Anakin because she will NOT take his bullshit lightly and re direct his emotions into something more positive. Fay would help with the emotional self control with Anakin and help him believe in himself and be a safe person to deal with his problems.

[@accuset]

I don't know, I see Qui-God as the only one who could've properly trained Anakin.

[@Timber_wolf85]

This actually makes sense. It was the will of the force that Anakin turn and destroy the Jedi. They had to start over.

[@DM-zr7vc]

Anakin fulfilled his prophecy

[@deathstrike]

Obi Wan was a lot like Qui Gon Jinn. Both strict adherence to the will of the force. Remember, in the battle Obi Wan had with Darth Vader, Vader said "I am not your failure Obi Wan". I think also that Anakin truly felt ALL Jedi were evil as he had seen many turn to the dark side including legends like Dooku, Bariss, and even Palpatine himself. There was really no way for Qui Gon to reach the twisted and guilt ridden mind of Anakin. And even as a force ghost, Qui Gon felt a horrible amount of both guilt, and shame for what became. Qui Gon Jinn was an altogether different Jedi. He was a rogue, maverick, a lone Jedi with a strong believe in what the force truly has deemed necessary. This always put him at odds with the council. They often had their doubts about Qui Gon, and possibly wondered if HE was somehow turning to the dark side. Even Dooku had said "Qui Gon would have understood what I am aiming to achieve". Because Dooku was Qui Gon's master. And Qui Gon often lamented that fact. In fact, if anything? Anakin was more like Qui Gon than his own master Obi Wan. But as it stands, Anakin is basically the sum of ALL that was wrong with the Jedi. And he might have felt it was the only way to actually save the Jedi is to become their enemy, purge the "old ways" which paved the way for his son Luke to save both himself, and the Jedi.

[@m16dude967]

well Qui'gon, you left your apprentice without a paddle training probably the most unstable kid in Jedi history and let him fall in line.

[@matthewmann8969]

I would argue Komari Vosa, Quinlan Vos, Sora Bulq, And Xanatos were just as unstable if not more so then Anakin with just less force potential yeah.

[@christopherkostalas7472]

You have brought up a bunch of good points.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Yoda or some other master could have trained him, had they set aside their dogmatism and realized that to properly train him, they would need to make exceptions for him, like embracing his love for his mother, and pursuing a relationship with Padme. Yoda should have trained him, they should have went and freed Shmi(legally) and had her live on Corusant, and allowed him to pursue Padme. Then he would have likely made the right choice in resisting Palpatine, and the necessary changes to the Jedi Order would have been realized. Had he never been trained, he would have been trained by Palpatine much sooner and more deeply in the dark side, and likely caused even more destruction to the galaxy

[@rodniegsm1575]

Yoda was the problem. He was the one looking for a special status in society for the jedi. He was the one who fought for jedi, not having an attachment or family. How can you be in tune whit the force without attachment, whitout, or care? You need to care or live something to appreciate it and to be one whit it

[@Jim-pq9pm]

Which is why I said he should have set aside his dogmatism@@rodniegsm1575

[@scottb3034]

LOL What? No. If he wanted those things then he shouldn't have become a Jedi. Having enough self-control to not endanger Padme (or billions of lives should an evil entity know they are together and use that for ransom) is not a bad thing, it is the proper thing in fact. You don't make exceptions to appease someone. Have you not learned what a plan of appeasement does? The world sure learned since it led to WWII and the death of 70 MILLION people. When you try to appease someone you know what happens? They take more. They ask for more exceptions. It wouldn't be long before Anakin would be asking for the universe and the Jedi would have to allow it because they already made 90 other concessions before. The right course of action would have been to help Anakin confront his emotions, acknowledge them, embrace them and overcome them and work toward fostering an atmosphere that welcomed him and granted him things he was devoid of as a slave and in reality...aka a place he could indulge in friends who cared for him with a strong parental figure that would help him grow and guide him through any turbulence he'd have (and trust said parent). And obviously keep him far away from Palpatine as possible (although in the end it still didn't really matter as Anakin was willing to forsake Palpatine by ratting him out to the Jedi--since despite all the Jedi's issues Anakin loved being one and wanted to remain one more than anything outside of his life with Padme...ironic considering everyone's apparent views on the situation). I will say it would have been smart for the Jedi to buy Shmi's freedom and settle her in a safe system within Republic space just to ease Anakin's mind BUT still that doesn't mean weekly visits. Qui-Gon himself even agreed it would be a bad idea since he warned Anakin from the get-go that being a Jedi is "not an easy life". The LAST thing they should have done was bring his mother to Coruscant and allow him to be in a relationship with Padme.

[@scottb3034]

@@rodniegsm1575 Once again--and Anakin even pointed this out--the Jedi were allowed to care. Unconditional love is caring. Jedi were not as inflexible/rigid about a lot of these topics as many want to claim or believe.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@scottb3034 You're obviously too slow to understand, so I'll try again. He needed to be trained, because it was the will of the force. He's outside the norm of who is trained, therefore, the Council should have had the wisdom to bend their dogma. Either way, Palpatine intended on making him Sith, without Jedi training, he would have been sucked much further into darkness, and probably kept his body and became Emperor. Would you like me to break it down further for you, simpleton? They tried to teach him those things. Yoda "train yourself to let go of that which you fear to lose" that kind of training works when training from age 2, not when training a 10 year old former slave. The fact that Luke encouraged marriage among his student afterwards, and the fact that his connection to his father SAVED him and ended the Empire is proof that my theory is correct.

[@verilyveronica8430]

Fun fact balance sucks when you are winning.

[@Al8181]

Thats crazy that it was in fact qui gonn talking to him in episode 2.. i remember Anakin swinging his saber and hearing a voice and i thought " man that sounded really similar to qui gonn."

[@TheRealCapnJack]

This was a terrific video on an obscure topic!

[@esshor.]

What does it mean then that Qui-Gon struggled for so long to project a force ghost, and yet Obi-Wan was able to begin projecting firstly his voice mere seconds after hed died. And then his full ghost form to Luke a few years later.

[@darkelfninja8351]

Yoda learned how to do that from Qui-Gon, and taught Obi-wan how to communicate with his old master before Obi left for Tatooine at the end of ROTS

[@maeglin9041]

Everyone always asks "What if Qui-gon trained Anakin". But what if the Jedi refused to train Anakin after Qui-gon's death, and he was snatched up by Palpatine when he was still a child?

[@frname7665]

You're completely right. By the end of the Phantom Menace Palpatine had already an eye set on Anakin, and, as an extremely powerful force user, probably sensed right away how exceptional Anakin's potential was in the Force. Had the Jedi not accepted to train Anakin, he would have probably ended up like the children of the force abducted to become Inquisitors later on, but with much more devastating potential.

[@cainabel6356]

We all know what would have happened. Anakin would have been snatched up by Palpatine, and he would have been a Sith apprentice, to destroy the Jedi outright, with no friends.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I can always appreciate a deep look into one of my favorite Mentor characters with the sole exception of Iroh.

[@JohnOrtman]

Who?

[@JohnOrtman]

Iroh? Whodafukisdat?

[@davidthompson3729]

The council was selfish and arrogant to the point of ignorance. Absolutely a failure, in ALL regards.

[@ronengle9524]

Ok. I watch all your stuff. This is your best video

[@tetrasphere8165]

Qui gon reminds me so much of my grandfather and he died when i needed him at the most important time in my life and im still after years crawling out of the darkness i let consume me. Dont worry no one died. His death did kill my father though

[@a.jthomas6132]

While a part of Qui Gon’s training is what lead to the fall of Anakin, the hypocrisy of the Jedi Order are also the ones responsible. They have been so stagnant that they’re unable to adaptive to changing times in the Republic because they are stable in old traditions and are under a belief that having emotional attachments can lead to a person to the dark side. If you haven’t watch The Clone Wars animated series, I highly recommend that you do!

[@scottb3034]

Clone Wars (2008) is the worst piece of Star Wars fiction ever conceived for a variety of reasons. I highly unrecommend it.

[@a.jthomas6132]

@@scottb3034 Why are you calling this animated series the worst? It dives deeper then what you have seen in the Prequel Trilogy.

[@scottb3034]

@@a.jthomas6132 Because it is the worst. There plenty of novel, video games and comics that delved deeper and better in similar material than the show did. The show stomped on everything else and then at times stomped on itself because it can't keep continuity straight. Also you are overstated how deeply the show dives into anything. It doesn't because the format never catered to that. I would take the 2003 Clone Wars over 2008 any day of the week. Just a few examples of things they did worse: Handling of Mandalore and the Mandalorians and Order 66 (chip vs constitutional order) and clone troopers (they were always meant to be neutral turned antagonists but the show decided to make them protagonists and put themselves into a corner that they had to make a hare-brained chip plot to reconcile their portrayal. They made them too heroic to allow their betrayal to occur naturally and didn't have the guts so they copped out and formulated an excuse for the clones). Then there are other fundamental issues like Ahsoka, Captain Rex, Maul and more. The show is acceptable for those that don't know anything about what came before it or like watered down Star Wars. The rest see the show for what it is and its creator for who he is--a real life analogy of Palpatine.

[@matthewmann8969]

Qui Gon did not get the chance to fully train Anakin that fell on Obi Wan once Qui Gon was murdered yeah.

[@DraconimLt]

'Separate the 2 of them', um but Anakin DID fall to the Dark Side tho, he didn't just get possessed, he chose it!

[@dantenotavailable]

balance in the force (6:31) - This is the greatest thing that I don't get. Like did no-one listen to that prophecy and think "ok so there's thousands of Jedi and maybe 2 Sith. Why do we think this balance thing will be a good thing for the Jedi?" I know this isn't word of old testament (a.k.a. pre-Disney) god whose idea (if i've heard correctly) is that Luke was actually supposed to be the Chosen One but i actually think it's way more interesting the other way around. That the Jedi heard a prophecy of doom and they interpreted it as a prophecy of their ultimate victory.

[@martinbauzon7450]

Why Qui-Gon Said He Was Deeply Ashamed of the Way Anakin Was Trained - because he didn't like it

[@kchishol1970]

Gui-Gon's thoughts about Anakin and the Jedi's fall feel really cavalier considering how Anakin has the blood of children on his hands. Considering all the suffering that Anakin inflicted on Palpatine's orders, my gut instinct is the real chosen one was Luke, considering it was his actions that made Anakin's rebellion against the Dark Side possible.

[@scottmccrea1873]

That's why Qui-Gon had to die. If he lives, he trains Anakin and it's unlikely Anakin falls prey to Palpatine's seduction. He needed a real father figure - one of the points of the story - and that was something Obi-won couldn't be because of their closeness in age. Qui-Gon had the moral authority in Anakin's eyes. So with a live Qui-Gon we have a very different story. Maybe a more interesting one with the war between Jinn and Palpatine for Anakin's soul....

[@des9930]

Ironic how the jedi were hesitant, sensing the fear anakin held in his young mind. Their fear did indeed lead to the darkside in a way no one could have predicted.

[@purenightwolf4758]

Anakin did bring balance to the force. How if Luke didn’t exist then there wouldn’t be the chosen one . Luke brought new Jedi order . Changed how Jedi were teached and how they can have relationships. Have attachments. Qui gon was listening to the force. The another jedi’s didn’t like how they didn’t follow the will of the force like Qui gon did. They were too much into politics . Let the force take care of the sith. Qui gon didn’t follow the grand council . I feel Qui gon is really good character and good teacher filled with wisdom ,knowledge. I feel if they let him live longer got Anakin trained by him. He would become stronger character then Yoda himself. Remember Anakin didn’t have father. He was made purely from the force. Even his mom explains that in the beginning. If Anakin got to study different Jedi teachings and Qui gon got purely focus on him and let him work on his weak points. Better on it and taught him patience. Trust in the will of the force. He probably would of learned the force power from preventing people from dying or using his force power to add more life. Remember the force grands power to the user that study’s all aspects of it. Not just one side of the force.

[@a.jthomas6132]

If Darth Mail haven’t killed Qui Gon, he would’ve been a better mentor figure to Anakin as if he is more a parental figure.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I still feel that Anakin wouldn't have went dark side if Qui-Gon had trained him. Obi-Wan was just too young for a Padawan, he hadn't started the Trials yet and, he was still basically a kid himself only being in his early 20's. Qui-Gon on the other hand was, older and had experience with what it takes to train Padawan's bc, he had trained 3 prior apprentices. So I think he would've been able to sense what was happening between Padme & Anakin and he probably would've been able to sense Anakin's visions of his mother's death and help him with it.

[@ronengle9524]

I had to re-watch 4 times. This one's deep ❤

[@RobertWWD]

Qui-Gon learned that Yoda and the Council was right about Anakin and the Prophecy was a myth or created as a Sith Goal. Anakin was created to be a Sith Lord to replace Darth Plagueis.

[@cainabel6356]

Exactly. Mace Windu was correct, it was a fake prophecy to destroy the jedi. Anakin destroyed the Jedi, leaving the galaxy in darkness.

[@DarthRevan-uk5ii]

The Force to heck with both your ways !

[@Someoneelsestag]

Great video

[@alphaomega938]

“Perfectly balanced, as all things should be” *Qui-Gon seeing Anakin destroy both the Jedi and the Sith

[@jpstardom3375]

Qui gon is not to be underestimated. He has acquired a very particular set of skills. Skills he has acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like the sith. If he stops going to the dark side, that'll be the end of it. He will not look for him, he will not pursue him, but if anakin continues, he will look for him, he will find him and he will kill him.

[@kortneynunnery5333]

Why people keep making excuses for Anakins decisions? No one made him do what he did. He made a choice that's it

[@Immortan84king]

and you are absolutely right, he made his choice. but part of these decisions was due to Palpatine's long-standing manipulations. Anakin was deceived and manipulated, like Dooku and the Jedi, as well as everyone else.

[@cainabel6356]

Yep, Anakin should have known about the Sith and their tactics. He did make the choice to turn to the darkside, even after regretting his decision. He fell by his own choice.

[@Aviqu]

he only wanted to safe the single person who cared for him. Palps gave Ani visions of padme dying, so he wanted to safe her. He wanted to get accesss to the archives to study but he got denied while being accepted into the council to spy on the only other person anakin felt cared for. He even told Windu Palpatine was actually a sith and wanted to help to arrest him. Windu declined and even said he didn't trust anakin while he was winning battle over battle for the republic, defeated count dooku (the leader of the opposition) and safed the chancellor and his master. Anakin had his mother dying in his hands. He had visions of her dying before. The jedi ignored it. Obiwan ignored it. He didn't want to let that happen again. @@cainabel6356

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@cainabel6356So did Dooku and for a time Quinlan And Ventress even though those two were never really sith like Anakin And Dooku they were still powerful darksiders yeah.

[@AtomicDudMan]

The force was out of balance with the light side being too crowded. He brought balance between dark and light. It was his destiny.

[@bumblebeeman2103]

star wars is the idea of what would happen if jesus somehow sold his soul to the devil, a terribly sad and impossible thought to be true, so much so that it had to be told from the perspective of space knight wizards in a distant galaxy, for us to even comprehend

[@Tsira_VT]

One thing I wonder is this: How do we know it was not the will of the force for Anakin to betray the Jedi? After all, balance to the force could have meant two things: The Jedi outnumbered the sith before the events of Revenge of the Sith, balance could mean cutting down the Jedi numbers until they closely matched the Sith therefore balancing the numbers. OR it could have meant the moment he came back to the light and threw the emperor down the shaft, "killing him" and thus restoring balance to save his son Luke. Maybe balance actually meant both of these? One thing I firmly believe though is that after Revenge of the Sith, he definitely became split between Anakin and Vader.

[@dimigeorg1044]

We need this stoty as animated,series

[@mangaranwow2543]

Wonder why the Jedi council chose a very young Jedi above a Jedi Master to train the promised balance bringer to the force.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Yep the way Anakin was trained was absolutely disgusting & atrocious 🤦🏾‍♂️⛔️. He is an unorthodox person who hasn’t come up in the traditional Jedi background so he had to be treated differently in a good way from day one. The very fact that Anakin got disrespected , belittled , held back & treated like a 2nd rate Jedi by the council under Yoda’s leadership impacted on the way he turned out in that place. Yoda failed the order & Obi-Wan Double failed everything else on top of that. They could have did soooooo much better but they weren’t ready to actually teach people how to be sentient beings 1st 🥇 then Jedi knights 2nd 🥈. #GoodVideoAsUsualMan🔥

[@me-lu5sl]

No, people definitely should not be given special rights no matter how much of a chosen one they might be, that would be unfair. Changing the whole order into allowing more freedoms would make more sense. Anakin was the one who was disrespecting the others, like his Master because he was full of himself and had no humbleness or patience in him, he wanted everything as soon as possible when that is not the way.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

@@me-lu5sl Excuse me ? Anakin deserved the rank of Jedi master long before he finished off Dooku for good 🤷🏾‍♂️. Anakin was more then patient with them stuck up jealous elders on the Jedi council under Yoda but they kept on disrespecting him time & time again 👈🏾. I could say more on this subject but I won’t even bother to because canon is exposing how much the Jedi order under Yoda has been failing even more then the Expanded universe did 🤣. Operation knight-fall / order 66 was justified & I was happy when Vader/Anakin was leading the charge because the whole Jedi order under Yoda’s leadership needed to be destroyed & rebuilt from ground up ⬆️.

[@me-lu5sl]

Oh yes it is totally justfied to kill children in cold blood.

[@me-lu5sl]

​@@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134 oh yes killing children because Jedi order wasn't what it should be is totally justified.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

@@me-lu5sl The Jedi order under Yoda’s leadership had it coming. There is only so much a man can take before he snaps 🤷🏾‍♂️. When you bully people, disrespect them , belittle them , treat them like a 2nd 🥈 rate Jedi , don’t acknowledge their accomplishments & sacrifices at a young age for a group he doesn’t fit into & so on for so long then eventually Someone like Anakin will lose his mind & get real angry 🤷🏾‍♂️✅. Common sense to understand & that’s why I was upset that Anakin couldn’t finish off obi-Wan on mustafar , Obi-Wan & the Jedi council never gave a f*ck about him THEY WAS USING HIM FROM THE START ☝🏾.

[@matthewsawyer4864]

Force Ghost Qui-Gon said to himself, "We should have just turned that little bastard over to Palpatine then and there."

[@shinbonesjones11]

Yes Exactly the Force needed him to fall to bring that balance. Before we got all the other canon like Clone Wars, Rebels, Ashoka, Jedi Fallen Order. We were left at the revenge of the Sith with 2 Jedi and Two Sith. Obi-Wan and Yoda then Vader and Sidious. Then Obi-wan Died so Luke became the Second Jedi, then yoda died and So it was one vs 2. Then during the struggle Vader switches Sides so it becomes part of the light again and destroys palpatine. So the 2 vs 1 gets flipped. Also as a side note I think the problem with Luke in Mandolarian and Boba Fett is telling Grogru he needs to decide between is loved ones or being a Jedi. When this is the Lesson Luke showed yoda and obi-wan that you can’t get rid of all personal relationships and if you work for a good with your friends and family you can save those who you think are fully lost. So the new canon messed it all up in my opinion and made Luke go back and teaching things he should know lead to the demise of the Jedi to begin with.

[@richv1893]

Qui gon only bares the responsibility for thrusting anakin's training on Obi-Wan knowing he wasn't ready for the task placed in front of him.

[@seanwilliams7655]

TBF, he still probably did better than anyone else in the order would have.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@seanwilliams7655No Anakin needed a more experienced Jedi one that was more flexible and unorthodox too since Qui Gon got executed the other options would of been Yaddle, Quinlan Vos, Shaak Ti, Sora Bulq, Aayla Secura, Or Dooku yeah.

[@FloridaEbikes]

They are ALL responsible for the events that followed. ALL 3 played a part but truly the counsel created Vader. Exactly the Jedi counsel was corrupted with hubris and judging from pride not experience.

[@BILLYRAYBOB9789]

Anakin would have been invincible being train by quigon who is essentially a grey jedi who studied the da.rk side was count dukoo apprentice. The jedi council made him an enforcer hardened by war with no gratitude.

[@thunderstudent]

I kind of wonder what if Revan trained Anakin, he was sort of the proto Anakin. Revan knew things that even many modern Jedi and Sith didn't since much of the knowledge from his holocron was lost after one Dark Lord went insane trying to blend the light and the dark together.

[@tjjordan4207]

Obi-Wan clearly wasn't ready to take on a Padawan after the death of Qui-Gon. Anakin should have been trained by someone like Yoda, who could have helped in training him to master his emotions at a young age.

[@jasondyrkacz8270]

If Windu wasn't in his feelings, he would've been a pretty good fit.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@jasondyrkacz8270I do not get what Windu had against Anakin heck Mace did not even have the highest potential in the order before Anakin arrived that belonged to Yoda and Dooku came the closest to Yodas potential after all Yoda saw Dookus potential as enigmatic for even himself to figure out which is one of the main reasons he chose to take Dooku as his full on student one on one in Legends at least he did not see that in Windu nor anyone else so Dookus potential to be considered mysterious even for Yoda heavily implied his potential was close to Yodas just maybe one hundred points below with Mace being one hundred points below Dookus and probably many hundreds of points above Plo Koons yeah.

[@ashenwolf3846]

A part of me thinks it's also the council's fault in this. Obi-Wan was much too young and inexperienced to be given a Padawan, especially someone as gifted as Anakin. Qui-Gon Jin was the perfect master to teach Anakin the ways of the force and the true ways of the old Jedi. Sadly, his death prevented that. The only other two to been up to the task of training Anakin was Yoda and to a greater extent Mace Windu. Windu, was more open to certain aspects of the force and Vaapod requirement the passion of emotion and enjoyment of battle, thus making him more suitable to Anakin's emotional attachments.

[@Kanooky_Jones]

I tend to agree. When person with a special talent is identified, and that person is being labeled as the key in a freaking prophecy, it would seem logical for that person to be mentored or trained by a senior member-in this case, a grand master.

[@frname7665]

But it clearly is the council's fault. From the moment they accepted Qui Gon's dying wish to train Anakin, it should have been Yoda himself who trained him personally. The responsibility of training: - A child of an advanced age which was bound to have more difficulties fitting in than those who had known nothing but the order; - A child with such extreme power in the Force should never have been let on the shoulders of a young Jedi knight like Obi-Wan. He was not mature enough, and didn't have the right temperament to train Anakin as he should have been trained. Anakin needed a wise father figure, not a sassy brother figure.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@frname7665Yeah Quinlan Vos would of been great he could relate to Anakin being brought to the order at a later age and being more in touch with the dark side then most other Jedi yeah.

[@ddqfpluskick]

I always kind of despised the concept of the living force. The force wills it that it must be so it seems like a cop out to a person's own individual's responsibility. In its purest form it sounds like horrifying

[@cainabel6356]

Disney Wars does not count. It is not canon seeing how they screwed over Star Wars. Anakin fell to the darkside because he was jealous, arrogant, prideful, and fearful. When he helped Sidious, he felt regret, but not enough. He chose to fall because he could not live without Padme. Sidious caught on and used Anakin's fear to tell him a lie, which apparently worked, seeing how Anakin is dumber than a bag of rocks. Anakin should have known that Sith lie, I think they teach that in the Jedi academy.

[@Neighborhood_Bully]

He was a useful tool for winning the Clone Wars. With Anakin they got Ws. And for that they put up with things that would have had other Jedi cast out of the Order. Aura Sing for example. The selfishness of the Order just didn't care what he did. And he became self aware of that and this is why he bonded with the clones. Because if the war ended the Order would suddenly have little if any use for them both. And the Chancellor could sit back and smirk knowing his protege was getting a first hand look at why the Jedi were cruel clowns.

[@JediWitness2]

What show or movie are the clips with Qui-gon as a Force ghost from? Obi-Wan or something else?

[@matthiasschweizer7314]

I believe there are instances of Qui-Gon as force ghost both in Obi-Wan and Clone Wars (Mortis ark). The list is probably incomplete, however.

[@cainabel6356]

It was in the Obi-wan show and in Clone Wars, where they meet the 3 Force Users.

[@selvahechicera4292]

Most Jedi, Pre Vader, completely misunderstood the prophesy. They confused "Balance" with "Harmony." After order 66 and Vader/s assault on the Jedi Temple there were 2 Jedi of any significance and 2 Sith of any significance in the galaxy. For the first time in a very long time, the force was in balance. The prophesy was extremely accurate. Anakin/Vader was approximately equal to Obi-Wan. Yoda was approximately equal to Sidious / Palpatine. Balance, not harmony. IF Qui-Gon knew this would be the result.... He should never have been a Jedi.

[@20141748]

Qui-Jon is the only person who could have trained Anikin properly

[@md-sl1io]

qui gon would have made so much more of a bettwr father figure and mentor for anakin than obi wan ever did, qui gon believed in him and would have given him the space to make his own decisions and understand him more

[@ericsnickars3647]

The duality is symbolic, not literal. Vader is not Two-Face from Batman. I feel like many SW fans need to take a film or literature course - or one on myth - to understand how storytelling works.

[@stevenhall4444]

Qui gon would have been a better teacher for anakin cause he was more open minded and had gone through some of the things anakin did. He even had brief brush with the dark side when he to lost someone he cared about. Obi one kenobi was closed minded and had no life experience out side the jedi order so he couldn't relate to him. Obi one kenobi was just a soldier who followed the rules by the book and never experienced losing someone he truly cared about so they where a miss match from the start.

[@hsthatzo8063]

Watch the clone wars and the queen satine episodes. That last point you made is so wrong it's disturbing.

[@user-km4gl3ru5t]

I read a lot of books too... I have to say Qui never for a moment thought that Anakin wouldn't toss Palpatine into the reactor shaft. He saw that moment coming! That's why I wished they would've just left it at that! I love Ian, but bringing Palpatine back was just silly. Yeah... Everyone was too old to rock the Heir Sequels.... licensing and all that... but dude... "I made Sssnoke!" No. Just... no. I still love the movie and I watch it all the time, but no! Qui Gon and Maul both knew it was over for them both. They briefly explain this in the books. Qui and Maul both felt the force, and they both sort of saw what was to going to ultimately happen. Maul felt used by Palpatine in that moment, and Qui was already at peace with his entire vision. He knew what was up. They explore this story later... But Qui Gon knew all along.

[@LaSpookyEXE]

I freaking knew it

[@Useryoutube02847]

I feel that Obi Wan was right. The only person that cause Anakin’s downfall was Anakin himself. Even since Anakin became Jedi Knight, he was no longer under Obi wans wings and pretty much kept his word by training him the best he can even Obi wan stated that in ep 3 when they departed until they fought.

[@LaSpookyEXE]

This is before I finished this but I doubt it qui gin was really gray if it needed to happend to restore balance to the force it is what it is

[@buckanderson3520]

Honestly what did the Jedi expect when the prophecy called for the chosen one bringing balance to the force and there were so many light side Jedi and only a handful of dark side Sith. Balancing that means a lot of Jedi had to go. It's kind of a case of be careful what you wish for because it just might come true just not in the way you expected.

[@shadeofshattered3]

They didn't see themselves as a problem ever They saw bringing balance as destroying the sith infact obi wan said this

[@anthonyreynolds2365]

@@shadeofshattered3 Exactly. The Jedi and their hubris and false righteousness led to their demise. Yoda was the embodiment of this. They were so clouded in their own bullshit Order that they couldn't find the sith that with lurking right beneath their nose.

[@meh3017]

That’s not what balance means, the dark side is a perversion of the force and unnatural, bringing balance to the force means cleansing it of the dark, George Lucas has confirmed much. Vader did bring balance to the force much later by destroying the last two Sith Lords (himself and palpatine), fulfilling the prophecy.

[@RefugeeKLicious]

Your comment makes no sense as when Darth Vader eliminated the emperor and himself, he still left the Jedi alive. 1 Jedi, 0 sith…not really bringing balance to the Force. Besides, true balance of the Force means only the light side of the force. The dark side is akin to a cancer. It must be eliminated.

[@brandonsamano7428]

that's not what balance of the force means, for balance to exist the dark side must be eradicated.

[@kristiancasipit6005]

whos stronger? Old Coumt Dooku or Obiwan Kenobi of the disney plus series?

[@cainabel6356]

Old Count Dooku. If we are going up against Disney Wars.

[@jonnovember2136]

Anakin was not trained by the #TDBank💳 card holder which really put the nails in coffin...☠

[@ncpirate5477]

The Jedi were just as responsible for Anakins fall as Palpatine.

[@tyronleung5276]

No it isn't. its anakins fault 100% cause he has free will and morality not to kill his subordinant authority figures, cause he brought them the dark lord they were looking for and he was already known to the galactic Republic to be the hero of the war so why is he being greedy and selfish, why kill innocent jedi children, and his jedi brothers in arms he has fought with side by side for many years with witnessing their sacrifice to this conflict with the sepratist and the hidden lord of the sith or why strangle his wife and betray his friends jarjar R2 3po and most of all his surrogate brother teacher and mentor Obi Wan Kenobu or let down and shame his Padawan student asoka tano who rightfully left once she was framed. anakin wasn't in his right mind and could've figured his wife padme had her life threated by senator Palpatine by hiring Jango fett to kill her Palpatine having maul kill his adoptive father figure Qui gon Jin and turning dooku into darth tyranus starting all this conflict instead of being manipulated and groomed by Palpatine he could've deduced it was for the best mace windu ended his life plus the shitty Disney sequels ruins this shit cause Mary sue Rey the inquisitor reeva has the power to heal from serious wounds from light sabers stabbing right in the abdomen or injured creatures.

[@matthewmann8969]

​Agreed while Ani had free will to make his own choices you have to remember many things led to him going to the dark side 1. His Father the force not sticking around to be no baby daddy. 2. Him and His Mother being born and raised to a cruel slave master in Watto. 3. Not being able to also free his Mom from slavery. 4. Not being able to bring C 3PO with him. 5. Leaving his best friend Kidster behind. 6. Qui Gon the closest thing he had to a Father Figure due to the force not being there for him dying due to Maul. 7. Him and Obi Wan having a strained relationship even before being accepted for training with the order. 8. Not being able to talk to Padme once in a while at least. 9. Being bullied by most kids within the order. 10. The Jedi not doing anything to stop slavery at large despite having the means to with the right connections and credentials. 11. Ahsoka leaving the order due to most of the council aside from himself, Obi Wan, Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, And maybe Yoda always siding with her. 12. Obi Wan faking his death that alone was nearly the final straw that drove Anakin to the dark side. 13. Most of the council not helping him enough and giving him the therapy he needed. 14. Palpatines constant manipulations, machinations, whisperings, and fake praising. 15. Anakin losing many friends in the war taking its toll on him. 16. Him having visions of Padme dying. 17. And the main reason him being worried for the safety of his children yeah.

[@tyronleung5276]

@@matthewmann8969 nope his first turn to the dark side in anakin was the Tusken raiders killing his mom smee skywalker laarz bought her and freed her from slavery from watto watto took care of smee while he spent his years training to be apart of the jedi, palpatine grooming him to see the underworld of corosaunt and its corruption and manipulating him to be a trusted father figure or mentor after quigons death, being arrogant and hot headed in many of his dules a famous example being the battle on genosis when the clone wars broke out with darth tyrannus aka count dooku taking his arm, asajj ventress driving him to show off his pilot skills and to lead him away from battle and forced him to use his hatred and anger to knock her off a cliff after she gave him his scar on his face in the gendy tartokoffsky semi canon star wars clone wars cartoon before the cgi clone wars animated film and show was created, master windu not trusting him and not initially wanting him in the jedi order because they forbade older children from joining the order cause they were prone to give into dark side emotions and preferred to induct babies and toddlers to train in the jedi pure ways and the vision he received with from the dark brother being destined to become the lord of the sith.

[@tyronleung5276]

@@matthewmann8969 the force isn't a being of flesh and blood its omnipresence omnipotent and cannot interface in mortal affairs only the jedi and sith can tap into the force to have super natural & superhuman powers its their god. anakin was created by Palpatine master darth plaigeus the wise manipulating the mediclorians to create a powerful being to destroy their enemies the jedi and the force intervened and birthed a emaculate conceived child in smee skywalker as a prophesied christ to eliminate both sith and act as an anti Christ to the jedi to thin the heard an bring true balance since the jedi an sith annihilated all sith to where they were forced into hiding and making a rule of two for centuries for which the force made the sith forget about their creation in the outter rim desert planet of tatooine and the force just guided R2, master qui gon padawan obi wan kenobi queen senator padme amidala and the sith apprentice maul there after their battle with the trade federation to bring forth the jedis prophesy it just depended on the jedi would he be their savior or down fall because the jedi were to dogmatic in only embracing the light than having a balance of their light and dark emotions.

[@Edward-nf4nc]

Yoda: "spoke with Master Qui-gon Jinn on Mortis, did you not?" Anakin: deep breath "ye yes, s so did Obi-Wan." There is more Qui-gon: you have grown strong and powerful, just as I imagined" Anakin looks up and Qui-gon Jinn appears! Anakin: "Master?" Qui-gon: do you believe you are the Chosen One?" Anakin: "How can I know?" Qui-gon: "I can tell you what I believe. I believe you will bring balance to the Force. That you will face your demons and save the universe" Anakin: "and this creature of the Dark Side? Do I leave, or do I stay and kill him?" Qui-gon: "neither. Look deeper. You will find another way" Anakin: "I don't understand" Qui-gon: "not far from here there is a place that is strong in the Dark Side of the Force. You must go there" Anakin: "and destroy the Son" Qui-gon: "remember your training Anakin. Trust your instincts" Anakin: "Master? Master!" Qui-gon Jinn fades away! The Tusken camp was not the only time! Mortis was during the Clone Wars!

[@EdmundPeacock-c3d]

I think Qui Gon always knew that Anakin would become Vader. I think he knew deep down

[@janinejohnstone468]

Anakin brought the Force a dark balance. I am left wondering just who it was that 'Chose' him.

[@JakeTylenol]

I was deeply ashamed that for such a big part of why Anakin turned to the dark side (him feeling isolated from the Jedi), we never…fucking…saw it…on screen, even in the cannon version of Clone Wars. That the only way to get the most substance about the Anakin character….is in books and comics

[@budgetroadkillers]

didn't see that happening in the prequels, no?

[@TysonBecool]

Qui gon never feel regret because he know if the jedi order and Obi-Wan Kenobi had treated him better he would have been everything he promised and more but they got ignorant and very arrogant

[@marcuscato3599]

Anakin was the light side of the force, Vader the dark side. Vader/Anakin was the force, it was the balance. it's also why Vader never became the Sith lord himself because that would negate the Anakin aspect of himself. It was as if the Sith were tyring to use Anakin as much as the Jedi, but Anakin/Vader was the force itself.

[@marcuscato3599]

The Jedi tried to use Anakin(light) and the Sith sought to use Vader(Dark) but both were missing what the force wished.

[@DeathScepter]

Anakin is the natural state of being for Anakin. Vader is the Pain that Anakin felt during his time as a slave and the Clone War.

[@marcuscato3599]

@@DeathScepter Just my perspective. The force isn't light or dark it is both. Anakin/Vader was his manifestation.

[@jamesvan2201]

Here's a better one for you. What if anakin HAD to turn to the dark side in order to bring balance? What if the force saw this and knew it was the only way to bring balance? The force saw as we all saw from episodes 1,2 and 3, the hypocrisy and corruption and arrogance of the jedi. It had to happen the way it did as a way for the force or more accurately, the whills, to wipe the slate clean and reorganize the balance of the jedi. That's how I see it anyway.

[@kagekun1198]

I do believe that Anakin, that was born to bring balance to the Force, would have be drawn to the Dark Side either way. In a similar vein, if Sidious had raised Anakin from young to be a Sith, Anakin would be drawn to the Light Side eventually too

[@matthewmann8969]

Anakin did not need to be a light sider or dark sider to bring balance to the force he just needed to be a grayish force user that used both sides of the force to help people who deserve it and not help people who are too harmful yeah.

[@RedBeardJohnny61]

Nothing ever goes as planned sadly

[@michaelwoods7770]

He was trained as he was meant to be.

[@Spartacus547]

The prequels really muddy the waters with the philosophy of both dark and light side of the force, they made it seem they're just political ideologies within these two different types of Jedi sets, a political philosophy on how to rule the galaxy, but that wasn't the original intent when Yoda was training Luke on dagobah. Yoda was showing that the nature of the force was something above the physical and so the light and dark aspect is very closer to what Yoda learns in the clone wars when he runs into the celestial beings, that there is the philosophy of the balance of the Force. not who sits on top of its political structure the force could care less if there's a political structure or not it's a non-corporeal energy. This is further cemented with the ideas of the nature of the maw how it's a very negative energy being Abeloth also known as the bringer of chaos the destructor beings on that scale are what bring in balance to the force their existence or their imprisonment when they're released or when they're finally conquered. And a Skywalker eventually kills and stops the Abeloth

[@FrankyEdits-w1l]

mace windu could have trained him because if anakin would feel any darkness he could use it without going over the top

[@SpiderFives]

Actually Qui-Gon has reached out to Anakin twice because he reached out to him again in the Mortis Arc and then didn’t see him again until he was Vader

[@CT-nb5lm]

Maybe just maybe they left a kids mom a slave. You know the mom Shmi= the only family he ever knew.

[@jaysuf100]

This came together late in the video admitting the media where not in balance. There where no active powerful sith for a long time.

[@JO-iv7tl]

With quigon feeling responsible for the downfall of the Jedi. A thought comes to me. What if quigon had become the grand master of the Jedi then decided to disband the Jedi order?