Why Role Queue Won't Exist in Marvel Rivals...

[@kevinnosaurus793]

I hope they release more pseudo-role character like Cap and Storm. Also they need to bring more household name and characters to supports class , Ultron being support is such good moves from them.

[@WizardBrandon]

i thought ultron was a tank

[@izhaarks2150]

​@@WizardBrandon apparently they datamined and found he's gonna be support

[@sixsam6766]

If the leaks are right Mr fantastic is going be a duelist with and ability that allows him to tank for a time and another one that will let him heal allies

[@Kep1lieo_]

@@sixsam6766he’s gonna be a tank not duelist

[@patrickimperial579]

I like how you're basically saying the most obvious thing for them to do.

[@sadeyb526]

I like that they won’t have role q

[@likeEricGHG]

i dont. Im not a ranked player but if iwant to win i will have to pick support. just aleast limit dps to 3. i cant take the insta locking spiderman moonknight and 3 other dps.

[@macdaddybites9252]

As much as it can be aggravating when your team has 5 duelists, I just never take it seriously (mostly because it's always in Quick Play and never in Ranked). Had a game the other day where our whole team was healers. We horrifically lost, but it was so damn fun.

[@paulakroy2635]

People far over exgrate how many games are four duelists

[@RD-um9dy]

@@paulakroy2635yeah maybe it’s more common in quick play, but in comp I never see more than three dps,

[@M4J1N.]

It’s very common in comp or atleast for me maybe it’s just that my tm8s have low IQ🤦‍♂️

[@RD-um9dy]

@@M4J1N. to be fair it could be that I main support, if I mained dps it could be more prevalent

[@MaddieJarvis]

just played a comp game where we had 5 dps and i was the only support. i begged and begged in chat for someone to help me heal and they wouldn’t :/ we lost

[@aznballaboi4life]

Role que makes avsolute zero sense due to the fact that team up abilities exist. With role queue, youd limit the team ups thus defeating the purpose of having this. Role queue in overwatch was addressing a meta balance issue, not to enforce class diversity. But overwatch fans with major stockholme syndrome act like it was player issue. Overwatch players are coming over to rivals and saying "hey lets make this more like overwatch". No. We dont want that. Ironic cuz fans of overwatch have complained and cried about balancing for literal years now. People need to understand that role queue wasn't introduced to address a lack of healers and tanks or to prevent all-DPS games. It was a response to the dominant meta at the time.

[@xythiera7255]

It was not meta in general it was goats they didnt want to nerf heales at all aka Brig so they nerfed everything els to a point were it wasnt fun anymore to play then we got role lock to keep supports broken . Fast forward supports are still the main reason OW is just not fun you can have 1 role that does it in supports . Tanks that have no real way to actuly do anything becouse they are so giga buffed that your counter Tanks run you just over and Dps have no way of out dpsing the insane amount of Sustain and mass healing that is back from the goats times . Marvel rivals feels like you actuls are allowed to play the game and not have a Bap no recoil dps you agross the map with self heal a jump and a fucking make me immortal ability

[@lolicongang.4974]

​@@xythiera7255lol wrong. There is open q in overwatch oh wait role q bigger. I wonder why I want to play DPS.. oh we got 4 DPS well fuck it make it fixed yippee.

[@mlad5274]

I read those "negative comments" too on steam. I was like the person calling the game slow is probably slow themselves.

[@xXcheapdeathXx]

The issue is the flex players essentially never get to play dps. The people who are willing to flex will and those who wont dont. So the options are 6 dps or play support/tank every game.

[@ninjagold9244]

If you're flex and feel like playing DPS a few times, just play DPS.

[@Keromimi]

@@ninjagold9244 I do. And when I finally decide to do that it ends up being the 5/6 DPS game which makes it unenjoyable, then its back to caving. Ultimately strategist is my main but its nice to take a break from burnout on it (especially since it also has a limited cast compared to duelists), but tough shit apparently.

[@KiraMahMan]

I don't really get the urge to play dps much as I love playing the tanks that much but sometimes I get challenges to play certain dps and I have to force my other teammates to flex and I find it both funny and a bit sad seeing them ask for another strategist or tank and no one is swapping lol

[@salimarg9702]

I don’t know.. I like flexing but I sometimes play dps to warm up in quick play. I instalock dps and we always end up having a support or 2 sometimes even a tank as well. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 6 dps team in my games. If you’re a flex player and want to play dps NEVER wait to see what your team picks and wait for them to pick support. Dps is kind of first come first serve. Usually last person to pick is someone who wants to fill or at least people assume that.

[@arglebargle5531]

@@Keromimi That shouldn't be the case unless you're not instalocking your DPS choice. If you're there first, someone else will switch the majority of the time.

[@lixerbelz177]

I can’t imagine only playing one role, I like to flex because it makes it more fun and you bring more value to the team, not only that but having a better understanding of how every role plays helps with predicting what the enemy will do

[@YoZentrus]

I was calling for role queue at first, but then I thought about how it would affect team-ups. Instead, they should provide real incentives to play as the least popular roles.

[@archersterling6726]

"Winning" should be an incentive. But matches don't give any reward

[@salimarg9702]

@@archersterling6726winning is spread an incentive that’s why at higher ranks most games are either 2-2-2 or 1-3-2. But for the vast majority of players (casuals) winning isn’t enough of an incentive because they simply want to have fun. That’s why I think the incentive should be more fun tank and support heroes..

[@styregt2006]

Imagine they gave units for wining a game lmao

[@archersterling6726]

@salimarg9702 They don't care about winning because there is no incentive.

[@salimarg9702]

@@archersterling6726 I mean in ranked the incentive is ranking up. And in general most people enjoy winning more than losing. Adding other incentives can often make the game LESS competitive when people just try to grind rewards (like spamming comp games in OW for competitive points or spamming flex queue in OW for priority tickets back in the day)

[@cyntheticly]

I complete agree with how fun it can be to play the other roles as a dps character. I mainly stuck to dps in overwatch, but ive had a ton of fun swapping to stuff like Groot, Venom or Mantis when im doing poorly on my dps main (be it comp not working or me having an off game). And its caused me to almost hit plat so far in rivals and i havent had much time to play as ive been able to flex to other things, and i know how multiple characters work.

[@ghitaianis9022]

The ppl that are calling for role queue are the same stubborn ppl that refuse to get off their main dps character even tho there are 33 characters in the game. Or they are the same ppl that begged for role queue in overwatch then left the game as soon as the queues were high on dps.

[@paulakroy2635]

From my understanding it’s a lot of support mains who now have this insane savior complex. Like I’m going to be real playing support should be fun and if you treating it like a job that’s a skill issue

[@EssenceYT]

​@paulakroy2635 nah its not tank players, its mostly supports because lets be real a tank player, let alone, a good tank player is a rarity

[@lolicongang.4974]

Yeah cause I want to main a character I like what's the problem here. Oh no you should play all the characters blah blah. Nah I want to only play DPS. Nah you should play all the roles. What made you ruler of fun? You like going all ok I don't so DPS IDC if we got 5 DPS imma be that 6

[@zir456]

​@@EssenceYT nah it's obviously the dps, not tank bcz people hardly want to play that while supports also same

[@scotttimbrell8632]

I unironically think that 3+ dps is actually shockingly bad. 3 supports are able to dish damage, CC more regularly and sustain each other and when one dies it's barely noticeable to the rest of the team. 3 tanks is probably more optimal than 1 tank is and the team ups enhance this for literally every tank - especially with duo tank team ups. Having 3 good DPS really bottlenecks the amount of value they can give to the team, especially if it means they could possibly get run over by having 1 tank or 1 support. Having 1 less of the other 2 roles doesn't make up for the additional damage dealer, especially considering the other roles also do damage too. Unless you have a bunch of insane players, but at that point it barely matters who you've chosen. Dr strange/cap/Thor, with Hela and with a Luna and Adam or mantis or Cloak and dagger is a prime team comp that could dish out as much damage as a 3 DPS comp. Put it this way, the less general healing the tanks need, or constant uptime means the supports are free to fling shots, having a DPS dove and can't survive due to no peel or sustain is worse.

[@Kep1lieo_]

Having 3 good dps isn’t that bad, the team will ultimately have more damage, and realistically as long as you have 2 supps and one tank(or a tanky duelist) your team comp is fine.

[@paulakroy2635]

I think 3 dps in a dive comp means that they are killing the both supports in the backline and really bottle Necking sustain

[@HopeforDespair]

Win more than half my games as a solo tank 3 dps 2 healers (gold/plat lobbies)

[@MaxTax_]

It really depends on the maps, your strategy, and enemy’s team’s comp and their strategy.

[@KiraMahMan]

I personally won many games without a single tank but that could also be thanks to match making in qp.

[@asiaherrera1942]

Once Blade and Deadpool are in the game I'll be playing way more marvel rivals than Overwatch.

[@blublu6841]

Idk if pc crashes a lot but I haven’t had one crash on console yet.

[@KiraMahMan]

I've had 2 crashes, before I realised I didn't update my graphics drivers.

[@utopiaplaysgames4588]

I personally like takes and healers. The dps are cool, but the tanks and healers can do mad damage. They are not weak usless combat characters.

[@FOF275]

Tanks are optional, supports are necessary, but you can win with any comp if you're good enough. Role queue isn't needed because people will eventually swap so they can win. Plus, role queue would get in the way of team up combos

[@salimarg9702]

Exactly.. People ask “can we have 1 more tank? We need 2 tanks” And I’m like no you didn’t lose your last game because you had 1 or 0 tanks you lost because you probably had a dps going 3-11. If he was going 3-11 on tank it would make no difference.

[@jaykay365]

But role queue would be an optional game mode. I’m not sure why so many people try to imply it would be force upon them. Also you can win with any comp in overwatch also if your team is good enough , what you are saying doesn’t really prove anything

[@jaykay365]

@@salimarg9702but it could make a difference, if he was a tank he could have stayed alive longer on point

[@utopiaplaysgames4588]

9:31 literally just need to change settings for the audio issue. I did, and it's a lot better.

[@todo1449]

I dont get why people think not having role que will kill the game. People need to understand that its ok for some people to not be good at a role and instead of losing as a team you have the ability to make changes so that everyone is comfortable on what they’re playing, which can lead to a win.

[@Kazokashi]

As a healer main my teams will always at least have one healer :)

[@KiraMahMan]

As a tank main my teams will always have 1 tank :)

[@DustyRamen]

Support and Tank main yall are the real heroes among them all!

[@keanusebregts4085]

I love the flexibility with open queue however especially in lower ranks, most people are selfish when it comes to character selection. I get that the whole point of the game is to have fun with whoever you want but consistently being paired with 4 or 5 players who only play dps the ENTIRE match with very poor performance is frustrating and takes out a lot of the fun out of the game because you most of the time lose games because of it

[@salimarg9702]

I’ve only started playing comp last night (you start from bronze 3) and I’d say most games we had 2 supports and 1 tank. You don’t even need a tank especially in low ranks you just need 1 or 2 supports and people to not feed. Trust me you don’t want a low rank dps player on a tank hero.. you don’t NEED a tank you can blast enemy tanks with 4 dps.

[@keanusebregts4085]

@ yeah I get that but in my experience, I’m usually the one who has to play support and I very rarely get a second. I can agree with you view on tanks but all I want is at least two supports, especially in comp which for me is rare

[@Akura359]

Its not a game problem. Its a Humanitu problem. Most ppl are selfish, and will do what ever they want. It will never change

[@KiraMahMan]

That plus them just making the dps role like 2 - 3x bigger than the tank / support so more heroes for people to choose to play from.

[@Akura359]

@KiraMahMan the thing is they confirmed they are adding more Vangards and Strategist with more team ups with existing characters. We are only still in Season Zero so we just gotta be patient

[@thunderhog45]

Game doesnt need role queue. It needs to take a min 1 max 3 approach

[@ladyhdwastaken]

Role queue would hurt this game a lot, and I don't even care to play it too too much. It's as fun as it is because it's so overtuned and goofy. I think them keeping this game more catered to casual players will ensure longevity considering how big of an IP Marvel is. I am a tank player most of the time and all I really want is just tanks that are actually fun to play. I have little faith in, but hope for them adding more tanks and supports and not oversaturating the roster with DPS only.

[@BloodlessTTV]

Streamers that play in a full stack have 0 reason to speak on this

[@jboy544]

I think role que doesn’t work because of their team ups. You need to be able to get creative with team comps. That’s why I think they should still have some kind of role restriction like a max 3 players per role

[@Birdman-zg1sz]

I pretty much only play support and tank. I have never been much of a dps player in hero shooters.

[@PsychoSpiral]

That's fine, but imagine you're the ONLY healer and no tank or the ONLY tank and no healers. It's a tough role to be in.

[@ladyhdwastaken]

@@PsychoSpiral Solo tanking isn't too bad in this game as long as you don't pick Hulk (hard as hell to play and hard as hell to solo tank with). Solo healing however.. whew.

[@paintlifebleak]

The thing people dont understand about role queue is it was implemented because of hero balance like GOATS was unfixable, not because there's less tank and support players. Marvel Rivals doesnt have this issue because there isnt a singular role thats leagues above the rest. I swear overwatch players have Stockholm Syndrome, trying to turn a new game into the same game thewy hate and conplain about lol

[@umbralflow6883]

Goats happen because devs need better tank and heals so they made more and eventually brig came. Eventually they are going to make tanks and heals that work really well and form a goats comp. Its not a matter of if its a matter of when.

[@EssenceYT]

GOATs happened, because of a support character aka Brigitte and the people who have been complaining the most and making the most noise were the support players because all they do is whine and cry

[@umbralflow6883]

@@EssenceYT Its funny because I am a support player. But tank and heal are going to be the ones that have issue about it as the dps places the load on these players. But it wont be long before Rivals comes out with that 1 character that kicks start goats. Its bound to happen and with how they are against nerfing character, once it happen its going to wreak havoc on open and more so in rank.

[@zir456]

​@@EssenceYT why would supports player whine and cry if the broken one came from support character???

[@zir456]

​@@umbralflow6883 They can just nerf the character unlike OW which somehow unable to nerf Brig

[@Thefallenone-t6d]

Love the decision

[@InnerLens_ANC]

It should still be like open que,but if you pick a needed role during the match you will get extra rank up points if you win

[@velky_reeds]

people just want a solution for a problem that they caused in the first place THEMSELVES. the support characters in this game are genuinely fun and pretty strong and the fact that they want role queue because they want to be babysitted is NOT the game's fault

[@BiggDaddysCheese]

Media outlet trying to ruin the game already. 10+hrs of ranked so far and team comp has not been an issue

[@mandindjarin2264]

A good human with wise words, good to see 🫶

[@gustavomazzi4382]

Guys just stop playing this game like its overwatch, this game values the TEAM UPS abilities, so whenever you get the chance CHANGE TO A CHARACTHER THAT HAS TEAM UP ABILITY, i always have a really good match when my team has team ups

[@Bean._.]

Ranked is really frustrating. I know I can carry a game on DPS, but my teammates lock duelist in the first nano second they hit the lobby and then proceed to go 2-7. It's not that I can't or don't want to flex to other roles, its that these guys are wasting the slot. I know this will pretty much fix itself when everyone's ranked correctly, but its really annoying right now.

[@Everything420rivals]

That’s the players fault for not being competent enough to win. Not the games fault

[@timothymoore2966]

@@Everything420rivals exactly. people are given free will and ask for it to be taken away. Brain dead activities

[@ethancollins4593]

Woah there, buddy, looks like you dropped your fedora!

[@ELI-521]

Get friends

[@Bean._.]

@@Everything420rivals That's literally my entire point

[@jackharmon7532]

I think that there should be a limit of 3 heroes per role. I do not think they should add role queue. Having 4 ppl insta lock into dps is so frustrating. 3 is okay.

[@jackharmon7532]

Only in competitive though. I think there should maybe be a 3 hero limit once you hit a certain rank, kind of like how there is banning in the high rank.

[@VB-92]

My main problem is just the crashing and how long the intro stuff is when trying to join back in. Really should skip that if you're trying to reconnect to a match. As for the crashing, it runs perfectly fine until for some reason, on some actions it crashes the game, even tho those same actions do nothing for like 3 hours otherwise. You might think "what's the big deal if it's so rare." And the big deal is, that if you're in a ranked game you're literally turning the game into a 5 v 6 for like a minute with how long those intros are when combined with the loading time for shaders and the map. A game with penalties for leaving can not have crashes like these.

[@reddragon2943]

People just need to Be Smart and choose wisely when it comes to Comp with no Role Queue. BUT!! if there is not gonna be any Role Queue they need to remove the Hero BAN in Comp as well. My self I play. Tank: Hulk and Cap. DPS: Psylocke, Scarlet Witch, and Squirrel Girl. Heals: Cloak and Dagger, Rocket, and Jeff.

[@arglebargle5531]

I agree with this. I don't need a system that potentially locks in a bad tank/dps/support into their role. The freedom to switch allows for strategic decisionmaking when someone on the team recognizes that someone else is weak in ther role. Not to mention that it just feels really good to have complete discretion. Cooperation is a skill, and that includes the ability of the team to pick good comps! Let the community develop that skill overtime instead of hindering that development via a role queue. (And of course, at this point I've seen/played in multiple Rivals games where a wack team composition ended up winning because the roles are so flexible.)

[@SamWhite-pg7bj]

I’m a strategist/support main, tank normally doesn’t interest me at ALL, but playing tank in rivals is actually really fun, I have no issue flexing if we have enough strategists

[@SeanPS]

I don't get to play dps bc I won't allow our team to be without a tank/heals.

[@chibiemo100]

Just pick your best DPS someone will swap eventually

[@SeanPS]

@chibiemo100 that someone is me.

[@Calwrld7]

I mean to be fair. The game already has a natural roll q pretty much in every game I play there’s always two support and at least one tank.

[@im_EPA]

Freedom of choice is good

[@RestlessRizz]

I love and hate this tbh. It shows Rivals is putting its foot down while showing how much balls of steel they have. The other half....Im tired of trying to pick different roles to complete my team when Im trying to only support. All dps... then I will go tank. If dps is trash, I'll try to swap to dps. I get the feeling that I am the only one attempting to pick different roles to help my team.

[@reddragon2943]

7:43 LOL. I have an 8-year-old PC that has never been upgraded, and it runs this Game amazingly well at 60 FPS. 10:27 LOL. It's so Slow and so Loud.

[@renevb31187]

If that's the case then let us team up with 6 friends in comp then 4 with 2 randoms. Annoying we can team up with 6 friends. I could care less for quick match choose who ever you want its practice. I love a mystery heroes its the mode I play most in OW that mode would be fun in Rivals good way to get good with all the characters.

[@Gunwhiteghost]

Yes. I like that. I’m not gonna care about if we have more than 2 of any class

[@UltrasonicBeam]

the game is fine, yes theres lack of people playing vanguards and strategist, but thats because the hero pool in those category are very limited, once they add more heroes that are vanguards and strategist everything will balance out, give it time and let them release new heroes first before starting to complain about the role queue its just season 0, and if they release multiple heroes in one season everything will be fine.

[@relltherealone]

Yeah I felt that I haven’t felt this way about a game since OW 1 back in like 2017.

[@Inf4mousKidGames]

that sentiment about dps VS support was felt especially since that happend to me a few days ago. i indirectly told him skill issue and funny enough he started playing better. HMMM... maybe stop running in without help so much

[@Danne1886]

Role Que was the last straw for me with OW. The best games I ever have is when we are getting destroyed and I figure out how to counter the other teams carry or whatever the case may be. Then we win or even have a close loss and it's still super fun. With role que I just end up locking in as support and my options are very limited. It feels like I have more games that I know we are going to lose after the first 2 fights and there isn't anything I can do about it. Having 4 duelists on my team in Rivals is not that bad in comparison.

[@holmesOwO]

they said no role queue but that doesn't mean they won't solve the roles issue, maybe they'll figure out a different solution to it as role queue fked up overwatch.

[@MalevolentForge]

What crashes?

[@trippmaher275]

I clicked on this vid expecting him to support role cue, I was wrong

[@YoungBottleCap]

Honestly I completely disagree that role queue killed Overwatch. I was most definitely a flex person in OW. Peaked diamond in tank and supp while peaking GM5 on dps. But I feel like I can NEVER play dps on marvel rivals cuz ppl lock it in and have too much of an ego to swap and I rather win so I end up being the person to swap. It kinda sucks that I rarely get to play dps and enjoy those hero’s

[@timothymoore2966]

So you just going to transfer those rose tinted glasses over to marvel? As soon as role q was added to overwatch it never recovered. Why do you think this game is so much fun? Your lost dude clearly

[@paintlifebleak]

Well role queue wasn't added because of lack if tank and support players, it was because of balance like GOATS and they couldn't fix it, hence role queue

[@scotttimbrell8632]

​@@timothymoore2966 Role Q wasn't what killed Overwatch, the fact that Tanking sucks balls and hasn't been fun in years, with Junker Queen being notorious for fixing a lot of issues tanks had, ironically not being a very good tank is more evident than games in general not having players who want to tank. Many games have tanky characters, or lock down roles which people love, take a moba for example, nearly every game you have to have 1/2 tanks and they don't even HAVE to be played, the player CHOSE to be smacked around.

[@timothymoore2966]

@@scotttimbrell8632 I just don't agree with you bro. OW was the most popular shooter b4 fortnite released. once rq was released all the glaring issues with the game were even more glaring. RQ literally makes games worse it limits your team comp harder. This is not a moba I'm not farming jungle camps for exp to get stronger so throw that comparison out of the window. Now when my tnk dps or support is garbage ?I'm stuck at their mercy. Hope this helps explain why we need this game to stay whacky

[@scotttimbrell8632]

@@timothymoore2966 As someone who played as a rein main through the beginning, role Q was a god send. The fact that so many bad players play DPS means that not only are you forced into a bad comp merely cus the way they balanced the game, but because you were statistically going to get worse players on your team. The game came down to who had the better team and not skill. I will say that generally I don't feel that MR needs it, in fact it's done a better job with character design than OW has which helps them not need it regardless of the bad players. Another one of my comments expressed how I thought 3 DPS was actually worse than 3 supports or 3 tanks which is the only reason why 3+ DPS would be bad..

[@usurpererenyeagar4587]

honestly as soon as the overwatch andies are out of this game i feel like it wont have problems since people who came from non toxic games are happy to pick tank or supp me included i always fill when needed

[@donniebell7887]

Thats why i just main one of each role. That way i can fill the role needed. Hulk Iron fist Adam worlock

[@Voodoo_Occasions]

When someone who stacks discusses role que:

[@umbralflow6883]

People say that players will flex but very few do and those that do will get tired of doing it. Not everyone has a full stack of friends that play this game. I get a dps that is having issue with not gettting tank and heals could be the tank and heal themselves. But what about the solo heal that is healing 5 dps or the tank that has no heal. They just have to suffer the bad match. At some point a goats comp will form after they come out with better tanks and heals. How will they solve it then because they already said they wont nerf anything. Seem Rival is going to run is to an issue of doing too little too late.

[@Snark10]

The main reason I became a support main in Overwatch was literally the same issue Rivals are having now, I wanted to be a team player and help the team win but just ended up getting stuck as a support because no one else ends up wanting to switch

[@fayelis]

exactly jay3 is very privileged he can easily get a stack 6 and switch roles but the average player cant consistently

[@andreschwarz5971]

It was goats comp that nearly killed overwatch. A result of letting players decide what they want to play wich led to the most frustrating experience ever. Pretty ironic that this "freedom" forced players to go 3-0-3. Role q was literally what gave the game a 2nd life. OW also wanted to go without role q and failed - and so will this game 100%. Only a matter of time.

[@arglebargle5531]

People flex constantly in Rivals. It's not a "very few do" situation at all.

[@umbralflow6883]

@@arglebargle5531 I rarely see it or im the one doing it.

[@solos3731]

I just dont like always being the one that has to switch if i am good at dps and want to play it i should be able to why do i have to switch cause no one else will cause i want to win thats why role q needs to be a thing for the stubborn people like is it really hard to learn every role cause tbh there all easy af to learn

[@leatherhead333]

Ngl i'm curious how these takes will age with time once the game has hit at least a year of service. Role queue didn't kill overwatch (the game isn't even dead for one thing so that statement is stupid). It was something added to game after years of consideration and feedback from players. Most people already gravitated towards 2-2-2 comps anyway so eliminating the possibility of those painful games with no tank or healers just makes sense to me. It's not FUN to instalose on the character select screen. I will take a comp game with actual structure over constant randomness and guilt tripping anyday. For quickplay who cares but ranked is going to be painful once people figure out the cheap shit and abuse the hell out of it.

[@paulakroy2635]

@@leatherhead333 agreed but a couple things. I think role queues is not happening in a vacuum and queue times are a thing espically with the ratio of dps ( especially in causal environments dps queue times are really attrocius)

[@arglebargle5531]

It's not fun to have to evaluate how long you want to wait in a queue when deciding what character you want to play. I mostly play strategists, so if I want to run some DPS I don't want to have the cost of doing so being that I'm waiting in a long-ass queue. I also don't want to have no option to switch DPS mid-match if I realize that the opposing team is vulnerable to it. Player freedom is best.

[@pharezm51]

The movement can sometimes be jarringly fast to watch. But I really like the game

[@Fuyuko_Hawku]

L take on Rivals ngl it kinda needs it bad tired of being punished for not being in a 6 stack cause people don't wanna play proper comps in ranked or having my team throw insta after they die into dps. I am a diamond right now and a have a full time job so hard to grind some days

[@SSWAZZY]

not changing characters if you dont have a support or a tank is really dumb. if youre a dps main and like when you kill people you can still do that in support or tank lol, and thats what makes marvel rivals good because the support characters can actually do more than just healing, or tank character can do more than tanking etc. perfect example of that is storm, she is a dps character yet still has a support like ability.

[@shahs1221]

I'm fairly new to these types of games... but I don't get why it's so difficult for people to be able to flex to support and tanks (I primarily play these two roles) especially when the game has made it way more fun AND the point is you'll have a higher chance winning. Like... It's a TEAM game... not a deathmatch. If you get a bunch of kills but still lose, then what's the point? What are you trying to prove except that you're extremely selfish and you like losing apparently? And this is IF you're good. Meanwhile the majority of dps lockers barely get kills and at worst keep feeding. So whether you're good or bad, you still ultimately lose. It's so baffling?? Just play conquest or something if you're so obsessed with kills... or Idk play something like CoD where they give you so much more incentive for that type of playstyle. I get the whole power trip fantasy and in something like Rivals where you get to play these cool, legendary characters... but come on.

[@sew_gal7340]

As a healer main i actually get semi annoyed when we have a 2nd healer, usually i can win games on my own and the other healer is just a waste of time when they normally just dps as a healer any way. just pick a dps and be done with it !

[@Voodoo_Occasions]

Once you get in high ranks and have dive dps hellbent on killing you specifically and you get targeted by every Jeff, iron man, and magneto ult you would wish that you would have another healer to heal you while you are being dove, or to pick up the slack when you die. If you are solo healer and you die it is basically a teamwipe in comp. 1 healer comp is trash, 2 healer comps suffice, and a 3 healer comp is overkill in a good way depending on the comp. You should never be upset at having another healer. That is some god/protagonist complex shit.

[@jaykay365]

They need to do something because over half my team always pick dps. And at the end of games no one ever hit over 10k dmg expect me. How do people always pick dps and don’t do dmg I don’t understand that. Why does the enemy team always pick meta units while my team don’t even pick decent characters. So far marvel rivals haven’t been that fun for me, and I hope it gets better

[@Zikk0_o]

Because this is the same dilemma Overwatch ran into. People will not play as a team unless forced to, which is why Role queue should be introduced for Ranked at the very least. Nobody in there right mind that wants to serious rank up is gonna do Ranked solo.

[@CarlosRodriguez-pl1pp]

I main cloak and dagger, so i can be healer or damage as needed

[@thisaintbrandon]

Atleast let us leave quickplay without penality if this is the case cause it's getting quite annoying.

[@rem9750]

It's not even role queue... people are just selfish and don't want to play as a team

[@DiamondPugs]

When people are saying they want role queue, they are usually saying "I want them to force people to play tank and support so I can play DPS".

[@Agherosh]

Or maybe, clown, it's the people that are tired of having to tank or heal a whole team of useless DPS who are doing nothing but feeding. Also, noone forces people to play anything with role queue because people CHOOSE what role to play. Holy fuck you people can vote, it's astonishing.

[@94DEATHSOUL94]

Only one tricks want role queue because they refuse to swap themselves

[@Voodoo_Occasions]

Role que hurts dps que times. Most people who are pro role que are flex players, healer, or tank.

[@jen-EL]

Not this guy talking about friends

[@jmayhue343]

4:05 are you sure you’re 30? Or is this a troll statement

[@corinna-s2h]

I like I but understand 1 thing frustration will make people drop the game this game is early ow to stack just to play competently that's my take even in comp they do quick play things

[@bytheboat2]

The problem isn’t people want to play dps the problem is that people that suck at dps want to play dps

[@realmanchurch]

i think 3max 1less will be better

[@ananthukrishna5259]

If only people were not this selfish. In 8/10 matches I have to be the one swaping to tank or support and most likely I will be the only one who's not dps and its very tiring that im alaways either a bullet sponge or heal bot. People are just stupid(I wish they weren't) oh and might i add.. the only time they communicate is to trash talk own team when losing and some dont even do that.

[@mirai2268]

I hate when u go flex and help the team but the dps is braindead going 1-10 and they dont want to swap is so frustating, i hope they have a system if the dps had too many death than the kill the game force them to swap or give some warning from the game it will be nice😅

[@NoxHelios]

you can just flame them with their stats and change, then avoid them its easy

[@mirai2268]

@@NoxHelios ofc i flame them, they just dont give a shit, what am i supposed to do i that game after that game im 100% dodging them

[@NoxHelios]

@@mirai2268 yep good thing the q times are almost instant in lower ranks and barely a minute in higher ranks, so even if you lose or have a bad match unlike overwatch you are not gonna sit and wait for 40 minutes just to lose lol

[@DummyFace123]

Another reason to not have role queue would be to get rid of toxic gamers. People who think they are entitled to a pocket healer also tend to blame their teammates for losses because ofc their team is supposed to defer to them. Toxic gamers are almost always toxic to their own team and lower moral. Losing a match can suck but what truly makes a loss suck more than anything, are the negative toxic attitudes of these entitled sweaties from the overwatch community. Let those who think they are entitled to a pocket healer go back to overwatch.

[@Tom-gp2uo]

Tbh if they ever give in and decide to do it, that’s when I’ll probably quit the game. I like that it doesn’t exist, and with bans it doesn’t need to. There’s a far bigger roster than others in the genre on release already, and role queue was a solution to blizzard being so terrible they can’t balance their own game. Others don’t need that if they don’t make the same problem.

[@xaimbotgodwarx9280]

Finally so one tall all players why we dont need role q go faind team for 2 2 2

[@ubadman1]

its fine if they want to do this but low rank games between bronze to plat are gonna be so toxic and random. people will lose game son comp alone. and its gonna feel terrrible for those players. "fun compositions" wont be the average players experience.

[@CrystalMang0]

Don't care.

[@ELI-521]

Get friends

[@fayelis]

exactly jay3 is very privileged his experience will not be the average experience who cant just get a stack 6 at the drop of a dime.

[@NoxHelios]

then get friends and get better its a skill issue if you solo Q and and stuck at bronze or silver or even gold, i legit just picked hela and i trained my aim for 3 days i just climbed in 5 hours to gold then got 3 people to play with me in a stack with a discord call daily

[@ValkyrianWyverian]

Yeah. I already put the game down. Tired of solo healing. So I'll just stick with overwatch.

[@ViiRaLx713]

I don’t think your daddy blizzard will be happy with you promoting this

[@merokrl]

thank god for no role queue

[@AcTiVeReLoAdZ]

They shouldn't fug the bullsh

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

Good

[@JacobFanno]

I play on Xbox and I have not crashed once in my 10+ hours of playing

[@noahmorales3768]

Cool how does that affect literally anyone else lmfao ? I have an Xbox and me and my friends crash so what u say is irrelevant but go off queen

[@jameoww]

Role queue won't make your instalock dps teammates better, it'll just leave you stuck with them and nothing you can do about it lol. I'm glad they're still saying no role queue in consideration. Honestly I think the biggest problem with his game so far is the feedback isn't great, it can be hard to understand what's going on sometimes because there's not enough clear cues. Like yesterday I was in a fight and someone was hitting me from behind and there was just nothing telling me that's where the damage was coming from.

[@arglebargle5531]

"Role queue won't make your instalock dps teammates better, it'll just leave you stuck with them and nothing you can do about it lol." This is a huge, underdiscussed issue. I've run into multiple games where the ability to switch-in to cover for a low-quality DPS (or vanguard, or strategist) was crucial. Role-lock takes away the ability to do that, which means you can't adapt mid-game.

[@Zikk0_o]

No, but it forces basic teamwork that is far better than running into the grinder with 5DPS.

[@arglebargle5531]

@Zikk0_o it does not actially force basic teamwork. If people aren't team players enough to flex, they don't suddenly become team players due to time queue.

[@Zikk0_o]

@arglebargle5531 Yes, it does, because you don't just accidentally queue for Tank or Heals. If you're selecting either role, then you're coming into the match with a basic understanding rather than switching up in the fly trying to salvage an uncooperative team. 5 DPS are completely selfish picks with ZERO thought put into working as a team. A switch mid match after getting stomped isn't gonna save you.

[@jameoww]

@@Zikk0_o Just because someone is forced to pick a role doesn't mean they pay any attention to that role or are any good at it. Remember DPS Moira? This game is not built around strictly following roles, it's built around playing the characters you want. The idea is that you play Hulk because you want to play Hulk, not because you wanna tank. I still think they have some work to do to get it where it needs to be for that, but Role Queue would be so much worse and not the intended design direction.

[@patrickimperial579]

Thank god they're not considering it.

[@adrianfinch7382]

Na for me it’s the fkn load times my Xbox mates are fine but some games me I won’t load into it until everyone is at the point already

[@salimarg9702]

That’s sucks but at least in ranked the game keeps everyone at the loading screen until everyone finish loading

[@adrianfinch7382]

@ can’t play with my mates in ranked tho cuz isn’t ranked not crossplay

[@Agherosh]

Alright, then I'll just choose whatever I feel like it, and I won't heal any useless DPS.

[@saberpendragon271]

Implementing a role queue will make the game stale. No new metas will be created since there's a strict structure that prevents players from doing that

[@Zikk0_o]

Then why have roles to begin with???? The basic structure of the game is there from the get go and people just want to ignore it. 5-6 DPS throwing themselves into the buzzsaw will get old in due time. Structure forces basic teamwork.

[@nightowl098]

No to role queue

[@sqpenn]

Because the game is actually good, next question

[@kingkiller244]

After 12 hours of play I can comfortably say I have only been hit once buy a Scarlet witch ultimate. SELF Congratulatory POB

[@andreschwarz5971]

I mean im completely fine if they dont want to add role q. However then they should just balance the game around that. Make supports healing limited and give tanks less sustain to aim for a balance where every possible team comp is equally strong. If 6 dps are as good as 2-2-2 or 2-1-3 then everyone can play what they enjoy the most and q times will not suffer because everything basically stays the same. Problem solved

[@umbralflow6883]

If they do that then you make the heal and tank role even more empty. Cause they are punished for picking the role.

[@andreschwarz5971]

​As a developer who is not interested in role q i would have taken a different route than overwatch. Get rid off: "Tank - Dps - Support" System. More like this hero has more sustain but does less dmg, this hero can heal a bit but is slower and this hero has more offenisve options but is squishy. A very simplified example ofc

[@andreschwarz5971]

What happens is you can basically delete roles. Get rid of the "Tank - Dps - Support System". If everything is viable in every way, people can play what they enjoy the most. You dont play a "Support" you play "Mantis." I think for a developer who is not interested in any kind of restrictions this would have been the best call.

[@umbralflow6883]

@@andreschwarz5971 Then it stops becoming a hero shooter. It becomes valorant

[@Beleth420]

Below diamond no one cares so 6 dps it is some games free loss.

[@sagehoge]

thank god

[@vVvDepredation]

Playing comps that will lose before the game starts in ranked isn’t fun. If they want to let you roll 5 dps competitive shouldn’t exist. I don’t want to be forced to find randos on discord just to play ranked without wanting to blow my brains out. The people defending no type of role Que I just can’t understand it. Soooo you want to have a garbage experience?

[@arglebargle5531]

No, I want to have a good experience, which means no role queue/maximum player choice. If you want a hero shooter with role queue... you have Overwatch to play. Competitive is a test of your team's skill, and one of those skills is the ability to cooperate when selecting characters. If your team isn't even competent enough to do that, they probably aren't going to be competent enough to win with 2-2-2, and the game was lost before it started anyway.

[@kingvalor8265]

I’m top 100 and want to play only dps but have to flex to win… trash game honestly

[@medellpr]

Heres the thing why role queue wont work on the fantasy of the game , the fantasy of the game you become the hero or villain of the situation, lile example look we have heroes are struggle against the enemy we need a hero to heal them or we die , but then you step on and become the healer and you save the day , thats the fantasy i felt at overwatch 1 before rolequeu and im glad the feel is here at marvel rivak .

[@Zikk0_o]

Yeah no. Role queue needs to happen for ranked or it will be abandoned.