Why RS3 Combat Achievements Might Spark MASSIVE Debate

[@WingsofAbsurdity]

All I care about is custom cosmetics that is not another cape heheh. I think I like the idea of separating the comp cape and that reaper version though. I think that's a good middle ground imo.

[@MZZenyl]

Jagex removed reaper from comp, it'd be completely counterproductive to add hard PvM achievements to it. Repurposing my old Reaper Cape idea (which JackScape made an infinitely better design for) to be the comp equivalent for PvM could be a neat idea, and also lean into Jagex's shelved idea for a comp cape rework. Have comp cape be the grind cape, and reaper cape be the PvM cape. But at the very least, any potential PvM reqs added to comp or trim should be soloable. These capes should represent you personal achievements and grinds, not that of others. Especially not when the game's group finding system is largely unused by players for actually finding groups.

[@yt.personal.identification]

This... all of this I hope they don't make the mistake of undoing the last Comp Cape requirements changes.

[@arthurzeth6020]

I agree especially the part about group content if you don’t know people you won’t be able to do group content and most people are in ccs and stuff so they won’t see if you try to talk to them either that’s why I taught myself how to solo most of the group bosses only exceptions being rago and aod but eventually I’ll learn them to and in my journey learning this skill I’ve been called an elitist even though I never have a problem taking new people and also talking them through kc on bosses

[@Kranon]

Also, don't forget Group Bosses can be leeched, so there's no way to tell if the cape was actually earned in a "legitimate group setting" or "leeched". Not that it really matters because "who really cares" but leeching is the same as cheating, at least for me.

[@arthurzeth6020]

@@Kranon I agree leeching shouldn’t be a thing it’s the same concept as boosting in cod but alas that’s the world we live in buddy

[@jenlwilder]

The problem with high level bosses is that not only does it require a certain level of skill, it also requires top tier equipment and internet, good eyesight and great reflexes. So if you're old, disabled in some way, poor or rural, oh well. These achievements aren't for you. They should take your suggestion at the beginning and make that special cape and figure out a way to combine it with the comp cape.

[@Zieldak]

I'm literally playing the game on a satellite internet connection because there's no cable internet here and there's barely any 4G coverage in the middle of nowhere and it's very unreliable (dc-s, heavily fluctating response times etc) 😂

[@ChevalricRS]

As someone with a visual impairment myself and a big advocate for accessibility in runescape; i agree with this to an extend. I feel you should never FULLY cater to these minority groups, but keep them in mind for sure. As of right now comp has this group in mind, with it being accessible enough, content wise, so it would be a great thing if Jagex keeps this up; even if it's not an active decision at this moment in time

[@Bazz_Army]

Its like Jagex never learn from their previous mistakes as new jmods replace the old ones The whole debate was argued and settled a long time ago and now they causing up controversy again. They admitted to their mistakes and are edging closer to repeating them

[@Tzhaar100]

I 100% agree with what you said. One of the things i absolutely hate the most is when people say combat achievements don't belong on comp or trim at all. I think you said it VERY well, jack of all trades, master of none. Combat is a huge part of the game, and to an extent it belongs on comp. However, there should still be tiers above this for players who truely want to master combat.

[@MaidenUK]

Dont add to comp OR trim. Allow players who grandmaster CA's to have extra customisations on their max/comp cape.

[@fullmetal6519]

Bingo! Just like 120 all

[@kristianvillagomeza7024]

agreed. keep it as a new separate cape of achievements, but can cosmetically include it alongside with max cape, master max cape, comp, trim etc

[@ThatOneGuyGaming84]

While I do agree, in general, that would then beg the question: what does "completionist" mean? I normally get bumped out of trim due to pvm-related tasks (the only 2 right now being 3x jail cell keys and 3x lore books from Sanctum) because I don't enjoy pvm activities, but I can see one or both capes requiring some level of CA completion.

[@ChevalricRS]

I'd be fine with that too

[@yt.personal.identification]

​@@ThatOneGuyGaming84It means all quest, all skils maxed and all songs unlocked. Since then, the meaning has been lost when it becomes a way to force players to interact with content on release day by adding random requirements with each update. The Cape switched from a goal to a carrot on a stick

[@Nathan-uo9yf]

Rip to my comp cape if ca’s are required, I won’t even attempt it. I’ve been comped for over a year now, and can’t even complete some hm bosses, though I try often.

[@zeldapro18]

Which ones may I ask?

[@ManLikePaul1]

Won't spark debate they will release a separate thing i.e zuk helm for it, we have master quest cape, comp, trim, master max cape and literally more. if they were going to go that route and include it in comp they would have left the reaper title in comp but instead they moved it to trim. comp only requires all possible unlocks for the game essentially any really long grinds like all castle wars armor for example or beating every boss in the game once (reaper title) goes towards trim comp. same will be this.

[@CrypticVidz]

As a comp player. I absolutely think hard or maybe even elite CAs should be part of comp. But grandmaster should hold its own prestige. I think CAs should be on the reaper/final boss side of things. I’m absolutely going for it either way

[@ChevalricRS]

Yep, Prob elite for Trim imo though, as Comp is the "easy" version of trim

[@zeldapro18]

@@ChevalricRS 100% got Trim 2 months ago and regular comp is miles easier to get lol

[@yt.personal.identification]

I totally can agree to that as long as I don't need to rely on others to get Comp... again. Forcing group content fir Comp is a mistake they have corrected once already. Don't go back and remake the same mistake that led to the first Comp requirements changes.

[@CrypticVidz]

@@yt.personal.identification I like having group content in my MMO. But I absolutely agree that I shouldn’t require a group for comp reqs.

[@Shroudey]

Honestly if 4k enrage at bosses becomes requirements for anything that just hard locks bare people out from doing it because they either don't want to or simply can't grind that high in enrage, I know I cba grinding past 2k lol

[@ChevalricRS]

Yeah not sure either if that really shows "skill", which I feel CA's should be; a showcase of skill. I am correct in saying that telos doesn't get more difficult after a certain enrage? 2499? maybe require that instead?

[@Tinky1rs]

@@ChevalricRS 4k is a bit different from 2449, but if you can do that you can do 4k with a bit of practice. the achievement of 4k is more in the push than the kill itself. Note that's mostly telos and zammy. arch glacor barely changes until 2.5k. It becomes a different beast from 3-4k.

[@arthurzeth6020]

@@Tinky1rsarch glacor can go fuck itself no reward for a long tedious boss fight like at least telos you can do 4k as his health hits its peak at 250enr only thing is learning defensive prayer flicking etc etc I love arch glacor got 4k on my main but that was the absolute longest boss fight ever man and I get fucking spirit seeds lmfao

[@Tinky1rs]

From what I've heard the cb council largely agrees with you: some easier tiers on comp/trim (or none, still up in the air), but the higher tiers are to really give the top pvmers a run for their money. those higher tiers will have primarily cosmetic rewards. Personally I think comp should have you kill every boss in the game at least once again, and trim should include a 100% zamorak kill (solo or group). moving reaper crew to trim, and not adding 100% zam to trim was a mistake IMO. The the first few tiers of CAs should reflect a similar level of competency and be a part of comp/trim reqs.

[@Applezz649]

Keep pvm related things away from comp, we have a master max cape for skilling. Make a master pvm cape for pvm. There is already pvm related content on the comp achievment list. Like complete the fight kiln, slayer master title, Ungael combat activity, defeat queen black dragon, slayer reqs etc. So a master pvm cape can take it a step further like a master max cape does for skilling. An argument could be "but for comp cape you have to skill so pvmers need to skill". But theres 2 pure cb skills already for comp being slay and necro and arch and inv unlocking both skilling and pvm related things. And other cb reqs. Add a new unlock for the master comp cape when achieving a master pvm cape. Unlocking both the master max cape and master pvm cape unlocks the true master completionist cape.

[@ByrandOfficial]

Ya no. Keep them off the comp cape and the trim comp cape entirely. I'm fine with a separate item that you can combine with them or something similar to the master comp cape but not an actual comp requirement as some bosses need to be done in a group and most players don't want to take learners in a boss fight or are so hard that they require so many outside factors that some players won't be able to do them (for example I have a learning disability and because of it bossing is so much more difficult for me because I have a hard time paying attention and remembering every little scenario that I need to). Then there's those who can't play for hours on hours at time or have poor internet or a computer/device that runs poorly.

[@ElMofo9]

The whole comp/trim comp situation has to be one of the biggest clusterfucks in runescape history.

[@ChevalricRS]

To be honest, I kind of agree, especially as we don't have clear definitions of what is comp/trim comp

[@Ivysaurss]

@@ChevalricRS Well one is Completionist, the other is Trimmed Completionist + MQC.

[@broken_iceman1732]

It is and it really shouldn't be, just make trim actually everything done Golden reaper, all logs, MQC and maybe just master combat. give grandmasters something special and its sorted. it should be just as rare to see a trimmed player as a master combat player

[@ElMofo9]

Its a quagmire of a subject that very few people seem willing to have a genuine conversation about and until then it will always be very contentious. Until people finally decide to answer the simple yes or no question "do we care about the integrity of comp" then none of the difficult work of attempting to find a solution to the problem will mean much if anything.

[@Ivysaurss]

@@ElMofo9 Thing is Jagex messed up by introducing virtual 120's and now moving into base 110's later to become base 120's. The outset should've been 120 in all skills for Completionist from the get go. Maybe even put a grace period of like 1 year on it? If they want to cc osrs CA's then that shouldn't have any implications on Comp/ Trim at all. What should happen just like what's present on OSRS, is that you have a separate item that displays your achievement. What RS3 could also adopt is having Hyb Zuk cape being used on Comp/ Trim (such as in OSRS) with a decent stat buff (possibly bis cape per say). The whole subject is just asking to open a can of worms that has been sealed for 10+ years.

[@Lootshark]

I really don't like combat achievements in oldschool,because they either have you doing methods that aren't conventional or standard especially when it comes to boss times, some of the ones in oldschool u have to be close to tick perfect or atleast it feels that way to me which is not fun what so ever, sure u wanna strive for the best times longer trips but that's not always possible, I hope the rewards are purely cosmetic so it doesn't feel like players are missing out if they decide not to interact with them

[@ChevalricRS]

I think that is the fun of CA's for the people who enjoy that playstyle; pushing the envelope on what is possible. I do however agree with you that some of them are a bit ridiculous, like when the DT2 kill times were so stupid fast. I am glad however that they want to have PVM QOL and not straight up power though, making it less of a crux unlock.

[@HitmonleeVids]

​@@ChevalricRStbf to the dev team, they recognized that no one liked the DT2 speed times because the meta was resetting for ruby bolt procs and praying for good hits. So moving forward for shorter pvm encounters they're making the speed times "x amount of kills in x time" instead of "1 kill in x time". So instead of it just being RNG for one kill, you're showing consistency over several kills. And the average time per kill to hit that threshold is much more forgiving. Making it much more skill based than RNG based. So hopefully is the RS3 devs are paying attention, you guys won't have to deal with speed times like that

[@Lootshark]

@@ChevalricRS i still dont like that it might be QOL, to me if its QOL it should be something that is minor and not mandatory or atleast shouldnt feel mandatory like turning ring of vigour into a passive or conservation of energy, those 2 to me are mandatory QOL because they have such a big impact

[@6zozo]

it's a good think because i think osrs has that as achivment and this will bring ppl into the game because it is fun to do feel like combat achivment should have their own comp mastery like we have master quest cape comp comp (T) but dunno ^^

[@ChevalricRS]

Yes, it will for sure add new flair to the game. I was recently doing some CA's in osrs and they are fun

[@6zozo]

@@ChevalricRS truee and i think it should cal comp mastery or masteri wish is great name and i think each tier like say 1 boss each kill you will earn the cape tier 100 you earn the next cape for each boss or finish each drop log is better to ^^

[@Esehrk]

I thought on the 3 hour stream when they went over the roadmap they said comp would only have elite required at most, was that changed?

[@Sperthix]

okay, just relized i didnt subscribe to u before, i guess that reminders are usefull after all. Also im shocked u have so little subs, i viewed u as half of protoxx or some like that xd

[@DefyingMeta]

as someone without a comp cape i dont understand why it WOULDNT be on the cape requirement? like its a completetionist cape not an almost complete cape. like what else could that mean

[@MZZenyl]

Except that's not correct. The cape's name is a misnomer, it has never even gotten close to actually requiring completing everything, not by a long shot. Jagex literally polled renaming the cape last year, specifically because its name is misleading and causes a lot of misunderstandings for non-comped players.

[@veo16]

There can be an extra path for pvm enthusiasts. But keep it separate. Like a different cape entirely. A nerd’s cape. Fun for those who are maxxed and have nothing to keep them playing. But not a gatekept item for those who want to be completionists but can’t do super challenging content.

[@ChevalricRS]

I think Jagex' biggest challenge will be not to turn (trim) comp into a pvm cape

[@pr0mus1c]

all ima say is that i don't understand that combat related stuff isn't part of comp anymore as it's a big part of the game, not sure why they removed it, pvm'ers going for comp need to do the ass related skilling/questing shit, skillers and questers may as well do combat stuff for it as it's just part of the game, not talking about 4k Telos and AG, but at the very least reaper crew.

[@yt.personal.identification]

Comp cape should be achievable solo. Sure, have PvM achievements, but don't force hours of group content.

[@zarosseagle]

We need a "Master Comp Cape" that includes combat feats. You're not a completionist if you can't PvM.

[@ChevalricRS]

In an ideal world you'd have a system where ALL achievements are required or a PVM related comp cape variant, because i do agree; PVM is a part of the game

[@zarosseagle]

@ChevalricRS Agreed. And I understand the need for a combat light/free cape of accomplishment. That's what untrimmed should be- an achievable goal for most players over time.

[@jang900]

Maby make a easy version of harder bosses, so even the noobs of bossing, can take em on. Maby all drops possible, but a lot easier than hard mode. Not all bosses , has easy mode for some reason, though not everyone has the time, to learn bossing. Irl is still more important ya know

[@djert24]

They shouldn't be on comp, give it on trim only. Comp is am achievement hunter cape not a pvm cape. The skilling community has been ignored for along time now and the only boss where a skilled can make tons of money quick like a pvmer is at croesus. That said, majority of pvmers are average with only the top 5% being hench (extremely good) like evil lucario for example. So I think jagex shoukd Cater to the majority instead of a minority. These tasks should only go on trim and even then only up to hard should be required . Trim is already hard enough to get much more maintain, if you want to retain your player base you should make the achievements attainable and not so rare that only 3% of the player base has a chance of getting said cape.

[@vincentvandeperre1670]

A achievement isnt a achievement if its easy. It definitely shouldn't be a participation trophy of any kind and some of them should go to the absolute top of the playerbase. This is some woke as bullshit here.

[@ChevalricRS]

I think the grandmaster reward should hold some serious prestige, however I do agree with comp and trim being achievement hunter playstyles. That being said; comp should have some sort of CA's on it IF trim does, because it would be weird to be a completionist without touching a soon to be "major" part of the game

[@anthonykonosus406]

I have been working on the comp cape the past year. Im gonna tell you if they add this to the comp cape i will most likely quit rs3. The 110s and in the future all 120s is already a pushback. I also think the normal comp should not require 120s becaude in the end it will make the master comp cape useless. Comp should be all 99s , all area tasks, and quests + some extra achievements. Im fine with them adding it to the trim version tho.

[@anthonykonosus406]

Oh and maybe in the future all 99s for comp and all 110s for trim comp and if people want to grind more award them with the all 120 master capes. Hope this makes sense 😂

[@zornmediagroup43]

Two options: 1.) Rename completionist cape to skilling / achievement cape and keep pvm removed from it 2.) make people grow up and and realize completionist means to complete something, not just "complete stuff I can be bothered to learn and try to do". A.) I think no higher than all of the elite / some of the master CA's should be the req for comp/trim, but it depends on the context of what those things are going to be. A good example i think is soloing the ambassador outside of darting him. That requires proficiency and effort even with todays power creep.

[@yt.personal.identification]

Master Skill cape exists Max Cape exists These are the skilling only comp

[@yt.personal.identification]

A comp cape shouldn't be tailored to your personal play. Just because you can't sit still long enough to skill properly and need proteans dxp and squeal to max skills isn't a good thing. (Fake sense of superiority with a little dig for effect, to suggest one play style makes a person superior over another. )

[@zornmediagroup43]

@@yt.personal.identification Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying, completionist means completionist

[@yt.personal.identification]

@@zornmediagroup43 The name is not a requirements list. It has confused many over time. If you want to add arbitrary PvM achievements based on the name, then obviously, you also want 200mill in all skills, or nothing is "complete".

[@zornmediagroup43]

@@yt.personal.identification Arbitrary? You think that sequestering away an entirely major section of the game that actually requires skill expression and is an accomplishment is arbitrary? For something that's about completing the game? Can you defend that position at all?

[@johnbalkin8223]

I think the Master Trimmed Completionist Cape should require all Combat achievements.

[@ChevalricRS]

I mean master trim is just a trim and 120 all cape, it doesn't require extra achievements really; but I see what you mean

[@zeldapro18]

You'll have to pry my cape from my cold dead hands lol 🤬🤬🤬