Why Samito Quit Playing Doomfist (Overwatch 2)

[@SamitoFPS]

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[@cloudGGs]

Doomfist is the most OP hero in the game and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know how to play him well.

[@kieranb7747]

I like your videos samito but your mic is super loud man, you tend to shout a lot in the mic. lol

[@kieranb7747]

cringe. just cause you watch getquakedon dominate people doesn't mean hes good, he's certainly not OP and only a fool says that shit.@@cloudGGs

[@GTB_PR00]

There are 2 things I really miss is overwatch 2, the tank synergies and DPS Doomfist (his movement was so fun)

[@commandercorgi]

His movement was so much more vertical rather than horizontal (so more Height and less speed) and I honestly find that lame for movement purposes

[@bambampewpew32]

@@commandercorgi His old movement felt so much more skillful, or idk having 3 steps of movement felt better than just 2, even if it wasn't as high or far (now you press 2 buttons and reach the skybox lmao)

[@lordsiis8201]

@@bambampewpew32 yeah using uppercut and slam in synergy correctly was so much cooler then having slam do the job of both

[@Jamunjii]

@@commandercorgi Old slam was fucking fire. it was so fast you could land through someone end up behind them ( breaking they camera) while one shotting them with a shotgun if you did enough slam dmg. Rewarded learning bounces and rollouts.

[@ahmadsibai8598]

this is why most support players complained about him in ow 1. because when they picked the easy value heroes like brig, moira, n bap, he was one of the only dps heroes who could still punish them

[@izcube8971]

"Waaaaah Doomfist punishes us!" - Every support ever. I play support and I agree, I want DPS doomfist back cause he actually forced people to be good and not just Zzz+HoldM1 as mercy

[@uzifan88]

"oh no doomfist is punishing me for playing like an idiot! why cant blizz let me play like a chicken with my head cut off and get value!!! wahhhhhh!!!!"

[@a_bionicle6635]

I still feel anger over the whiny support mains that changed my favorite character to play. Tank fist is not the same, and way harder to play. As if DPS doom wasn’t hard enough.

[@wilkiebaggins]

Dooms skill ceiling for movement was actually insane in OW1.

[@Chadparagod]

Dps doom was the 2nd hero I took the time to learn. The human torpedo style gameplay that made him feast or famine made him so much more fun to play

[@ZIPfile_]

More people should talk about how they ruined doom as a character

[@SamitoFPS]

Eh I wouldn’t say he’s ruined as a character

[@zoidlux2016]

they didn't really ruin him as a character he still has his gauntlet if they removed that then yeah he would be ruined as a character

[@Crazypuertoz0]

makes an entire video showing he has been ruined as a character and then says nah, overwatch content creators are on hard copium

[@OverwatchSIX]

​@@SamitoFPS All they had to do was balance 4 heroes & we wouldn't be here. We are here because of PROMISED: PVE/ANTI-CHEAT/NEW-ENGINE/BETTER SOUND ENGINE. Imo, we got NONE of the above. We have no PVE clearly. We have NO anti cheat - at least no better than OW1 (we just have a sensative spam report auto ban tool LOL/more devs on staff for the game for manuals), New engine ? Hah. Still runs like a bag of hammers. It's a CPU/RAM game still. Lighting sucks compared to OW1 &&& last but not least the sound-engine--- the same one from a sound engineers standpoint is "have you EVER heard of an Emitter & How it is suppose to work, devs?" GROSS. 16 Year old highschool students boom box in their rusted out 90s Honda Civic tier GARBAGE. We are here over not balancing 3 to 4 heroes. We are in the "Sequel" to of which does not have a predecessor due to the SOLE FACT they would have PUBLIC PROOF of near net ZERO population in OW"2" if they still had OW1 servers up. Same thick-skull mentality over and over again *Cough* Quicker Play. Don't even get me started on the fact it's a run the same distance & speed simulator whilst losing 5x the progress over and over, but they made it a "Play it, or don't" game mode for Quickplay Enjoyers. HOW SAD to not make it it's OWN CARD for a weekend & deal with people playing it once for the most part and going back to QP. You're that much of a lewwwwwwserrrrr you need to force it into the game knowing it's garbage for garbage feedback to be given? Glad it got boycotte as much as it did. Yall are jokes. Over and over and over and over. Can't wait for season 9 to be an utter let down as usual. I sit back & laugh. Poor OW players man. It truly sucks to be them. I feel for yall.

[@OverwatchSIX]

So no, TLDR is they didnt ruin DOOM as a CHARACTER. They ruined the GAME that DOOM plays within; Ruining him as a Character along with the other 30 some other spastic-ass invincible ability heroes.@@SamitoFPS

[@bellaboo818]

Remember when we found out doom was becoming a tank and they said “we’ve made sure to keep dooms identity and our devs who enjoy doom think he still feels the same and is just as fun” when in reality the characters completely different and feels awful to play plus all the time I spent learning the best stall spots and diags was wasted because now they either don’t work anymore or just end up being more detrimental instead of useful

[@gspeedy619]

They also ruined his hero fantasy of being a fighting game character in an fps game. No ability combos besides slam and punch. Devs force players to farm empowered punch just to have any type of value

[@levanoon9286]

Hero with the highest skill ceiling, even years after release new rollouts got invented, this hero was the most fun to play, but extremely hard to master, don’t know why so many complain about the one shot and „how dumb“ the character is. I loved playing doom, sometimes I hit a big clutch, but most of the time playing I traded, feed or got hard punished, because I fucked up my ability cycle or missed them

[@pauliewalnuts5803]

*Spoiler alert* 🚨 ‼️ It’s because he was caught aimbotting as doomfist against Orisa in the video previously

[@armagedd0nn694]

dude what 💀There is no way you call that clip that the loser uploaded aimbot 😭 drop your mmr pls

[@pauliewalnuts5803]

@@armagedd0nn694 you didn’t see the sarcasm?

[@kieranb7747]

lol@@pauliewalnuts5803

[@sus6371]

What?

[@Stiffmiester979]

Old Doom had some pretty annoying maps like Rialto where he shined a bit too bright, but imo he was similar to Genji or Tracer in that it required a lot of skill and map knowledge to actually take advantage of his playstyle without feeding to hard. I mostly just miss rising uppercut as an ability, though. He feels like he's 75% about hitting his mainfire and 25% about punching and striking things, whereas before, he was probably doing a good split of the two and wasn't designed to just soak damage before being able to get real value.

[@bambampewpew32]

Well said 🤝

[@comfysage]

im a flex player and empowered punch actually FEELS like the worst ability in the game to use; not engaging at all and lacking any proper feedback.

[@V8POR]

As an OW1 doom main, this is why I quit when OW2 went live. I've moved on, but I do enjoy your content and passion.

[@Bebopvicious00]

DF was my main, and he was the funnest character they ever made. Now as a tank he is by far the most rage enducing as his punch was nerfed to oblivion. The wall slides/hitbox on his punch to this day infuriate me.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

I kind of miss Doom's presence as a threat on the map. Now I see a Doom and think "that's their tank pick?... man, I'm sorry, you're not gonna have a good time."

[@perm1thurple581]

Doomfists whole thing is intimidation, in OW1 I think they nailed that feeling, in OW2, he doesnt even feel remotely intimidating whether youre playing with or against him. I get more intimidated by a baptiste or ana than I do with Doom

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

@@perm1thurple581 It's a shame. I used to feel fear when I saw a Doomfist charging a punch in my direction. Now, I shrug. Oh no, I'm gonna get hit by something that does less than half the damage of a Sojourn rail body-shot. Oh but if there's a wall behind me, oooh, now I'm taking 75% of the damage from a sojourn rail gun body shot. Makes me feel bad, honestly.

[@kweechy]

This feels like a low Elo take tbh, once you hit Masters and up, Doomfist is scary as fuck and your teammates will need to counter pick him if you guys want a shot at winning.

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

​@@kweechy Very cool, Kweechy, very cool. It's a shame Samito is so low rank. If he was as good as you, I'm sure he'd agree with you.

[@bambampewpew32]

@@kweechy lmao

[@xRichieeex]

Doomfist plays were so hype in OW1, Something I liked to do was have dva throw a bomb behind Reinardt, And when he went to block it you'd uppercut the shield out of the way .

[@Guthbox]

I wish they would’ve made more effort to make Doom work as a DPS in OW2 now that they’ve brought cc back to the other roles. That was the reasoning for moving him to tank in the first place, and they abandoned it a year later. Tank Doom came in and took my other favorite heroes niche in the tank category, which is Ball. Having both of the extremely skill dependent mobility characters that utilize displacement and techs in the same role strips away their uniqueness. Pretty much pointless to play Ball over Doom now unless your comp is just utter trash and you know you’re on your own. They have a similar relationship to Queen/Hog where Queen does everything Hog does, but objectively better. Better teamplay options with Queen/Doom too.

[@gspeedy619]

They removed Doom's uppercut because they were afraid of tanks having chain cc and yet they gave Orisa two cc abilities from day one which still confuses me to this day

[@ansgargranerd1458]

giving doom his uppercut back would make his so much more enjoyable to play, block is way to passive, its emp punch is gimmicky, and he would have more mobility, fitting his aggressive playstyle" not blocking"

[@Paal2005]

He's literally explode without block. The main thing you want from a tank is being able to create space, not necessarily comfirm or create kills. Tankfist is able to create angles and divert the enemy team's focus, and thereby forcing the enemies back and forcing space. That wouldn't be possible without a block, as you'd just be rushed without any escape. The extra punch you get from a well executed block is imo way more rewarding than the uppecut, which I personally felt was really gimmicky and basically just another stun/snare.

[@ansgargranerd1458]

@@Paal2005 his block is close to useless when you need it, hook, sleep, cc all ignore the block and deal full dmg/cc you, emp punch is a gimmick, a design flaw, he is close to useless without emp punch, forcing a “passive” playstyle when you have emp punch, and its useless without the chargeup, something you wont ofter get when blocking mid fight getting charged. Uppercut would take space, give passive overhealth, damage and control enemy movement, without “cc”ing in the sense that the enemy lose all movemt/control. Every tank gets shredded without block/barriers, thats just the state ow is in now, way to much dmg and heals

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@ansgargranerd1458 Its not to much damage, maybe its to much heals (eh), its mostly the format. The state the game is in, is like this because it HAS to be. You take away any of those things, the game becomes even more shit to play. Season 1-3 where everyone could just walk around for free with zero ways to punish them was NOT fun. Everyone complained about it for a reason. As a DPS player there way NO way to punish the dog shit tanks who would just sit in your backline, because every DPS did absolutely zero damage, supports had no way to help themself other then BAP because kiri wasn't out yet. Only tanks could play the game, and not to mention how overpowered zarya and soujourn was. It was horrible, and if it stayed that way i would of quit season 4. The game now is still bad, but its better then that full deathmatch piece of sh*t that was season 1-3. We basically went from unplayable season 1-3, to double shield (In a different way) the rest of the seasons, all of which suck. Its the format. You can't change anything without it becoming one of these two options. Unless you fundamentally rework EVERYTHING. But, this is blizzard. Its not happening. I think season 9 is just going to further prove that.

[@Gryff782]

no....in the beta and early seasons of the game supports had to relearn how to play the game and had to....actually play the game instead of clicking one button in order to counter someone's entire cycle. Did you even watch the video?@@WorldKeepsSpinnin

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

@@Gryff782 I watched the video, and i dont agree. Just because you watched something doesn't mean its right or you have to agree with it. Maybe at the highest of ranks like i mean top 1-50, maybe it was true but i doubt that and streamers of that rank were saying otherwise and generally all of my games were absolute trash in those seasons, and i was high GM (usually 4-1). It was just tanks dominating the game sitting in your backline all day and you as a player could do absolutely nothing about it. Even if you played soujourn (who was absolutely busted back then, you would kill 3 or sometimes even 4, just to look back at your team who all died to the singular tank. Now just imagine the lobbys where people can't aim? IF you had a alt account in those seasons you would understand. It was horrendous. Tanks have way to much of a low skill floor to be that good. It really doesnt matter how much you "learn the game" when a 600 hp over half their health is armor tank is running at you, and you don't do enough damage and have no CC or anything to slow them down. Theres just no "learning" there. If you read my post, im not saying supports aren't broken, or that tanking is fun, or that the game doesn't suck right now. im saying that things just have to be this way because 5v5 is just a horrible horrible format. Any otherway, the game is completely unplayable. Even now its pretty unplayable. That just says something don't you think? This game has not had a single fun season on 5v5. Not even the beta who people praise was fun, it just felt new so people have rose tinted glasses on. It was better then season 1-3 thats for sure, but thats because DPS still had their damage in beta. before getting giga nerfed for no reason. So maybe thats the only way to have the game feel decently "fun", is hard nerf supports, buff DPS so they can keep the tank somewhat in check and see how it goes. Even then i dont even think that would be fun because you will have things like tracer and genji go unchecked. But even if its fun 6v6 will still be 100000% better.

[@c00lflix18]

the thing that made me fall in love with doomfist is his playstyles and his kit, his entire kit used to do damage and had mobility, you could play many different playstyles, my main playstyle was the rollout playstyle, nowadays doing any rollouts is a death sentence and literally throwing, at least with dps doom people would not expect it and give you the chance to 125 slam someone and secure a free kill, it really sucks how they ruined the character, i know many people say he isn't ruined but i think that's cap, they ruined what doomfist was supposed to be, a powerful brawler character, a man with a powerful gauntlet, now? his kit doesn't even fit his lore counterpart and you're capping if you say he does, DPS doom didn't entirely fit his lore counterpart either but it sure as hell did fit more than what he is now, he felt powerful, he was a fun glass cannon, doing stuff with him felt rewarding and he was easy to shut down, all those cry babies that said he's broken are a big reason for why doom is the way he is now

[@GetQuakedOn]

big facts. i hope the dev team can listen to feedback from doomfist players. all these changes make no sense for the hero. not trying to sound toxic but they have no idea how doomfist is played...

[@omletgod2488]

this is actually one of the most valid takes i’ve ever seen, i still put a shit ton of hours on this character and i barely even know why anymore. I just want this character and the game to be good so bad but it just simply isn’t like that

[@frankomsen4425]

as a genji main i agree with alot of the things u said, i feel like i put all this time in to learning mechanics and trying to kill isolated targets but i just lose because one of the supports presses a button and all of the sudden they are unkillable

[@knate8183]

Doomfist is what got me playing overwatch and got me into Samito . I miss those days

[@BloodRain222]

I still love doom,been my main since his debut and tank doom has grown on me. Being able to command space,punch multiple people at once,go for fun flanks,and just pop off in general. Love doom but I feel you sam you were one of the original dooms

[@ryankim1747]

Dps doom was the most fun character in gaming history

[@bambampewpew32]

THAT'S WHAT IM SAYING :(

[@AbbyOW2]

I really miss DPS-Doom, I really don't think Tank-Doom is as fun, if anything, is much easier to play too with how you rotate cooldowns. I wish they would reconsider making DPS Doom return.

[@gspeedy619]

They could add either add Doomfist uppercut back into his moveset so he'll have three damage abilities and his power block OR they could add small quality of life changes to Doomfist's existing kit to enable you to have more control over Doomfist and his more less talked about abilities like slam and block. For example while seismic slamming in midair pressing crouch will allow Doomfist to immediately fast fall back to the ground and immediately slam the floor below him

[@Zeus-xf9rj]

It’s actually impressive how almost every new thing added or change from ow1 is worst. Genuinely impressive to see how incompetent these devs are and keep in mind there was never a PVE or anything interesting distracting them from PVP they just change things for the sake of change to sell something new and in process they destroyed everything I enjoyed about this game and especially doom. And to the people that still play this game for the Hope one day it’ll be better and they’ll fix or revert issues. That will never happen. Dps doom is never coming back, 6v6 will never be back. And balancing will never work under these issues. Tanks will be miserable and supports will continue to be busted. All they’ll do is make the game even more death match like and less team based.

[@scumknight6074]

I’ve said it as well, people kept talking about PVE isn’t in Overwatch 2, but the real issue was the PVP. So many people are leaving the game because it’s now a shell of its formal self. You have a greedy monetization system that’s somehow worse than Overwatch 1, you introduce new heroes who time and time again are straight up unbalanced or not fun to play with or against. Tank is just rock paper scissors, all because of the 5v5 format.

[@novelgiani]

​@@scumknight6074Overwatch 1's monetization wasn't even greedy tbh

[@Nayutune]

In terms of OW2's monetization.. I swear - they could release a $1000 pack DLC with like 5 skins and some missions or something and OW2 fans will still find out a way to justify it's value while saying "eh, it's not that bad." I still remember how they tried to justify the value of missions with a technicality "It's $5 per mission stop crying" completely ignoring the fact that it's a pack - to make it seem better.

[@Blehs1234]

Just want to clarify that it's the Blizz executives handling of Overwatch as a product that was incompetent. The devs just do what they're told to do or else they lose their job.

[@novelgiani]

@@Nayutune My reply? Lol, I was always completely against OW2's monetization.

[@RenonTTV]

The thing about doomfist is that his identity is SUPER 1-demensional and many characters are just an auto-loss if your character's weakness is dive. So, if doomfist becomes strong, then that makes sooo many people have a bad time because they can't play the game vs doom in the same way doom can't play the game against the meta supports. Because of this, I feel like a lot of characters need more team utility that allow their character to get some value outside of "hurdur I punched that guy into a wall and insta-killed him" or "hurdur im out of position but I can just TP away for free". These flaws can be somewhat managed by adding more nuance to the gamemodes of ow2 because they boil down to, essentially, TDM around one objective. However, they need to add VERY useful sub-objectives that give certain characters an advantage outside of kill potential. For example, damage boost packs that act like mini-ults to collect that you can fight over for against the enemy team to guarantee the victory in the next fight. However, these damage packs could be spaced out in such a way that you WANT characters like doom who can utilize his mobility to secure these packs before a slower tank can. There's a lot of potential here, but coming back after playing Valorant which, for all its flaws, has a TON of nuance based on strategy, overwatch 2 just SUCKS at having meaningful strategy outside of just positioning.

[@AzureRoxe]

I still have zero clue why, out of all the heroes that could fit a tank role [especially Mei, who was made a tank in Heroes of the Storm cause even they realized she fits a tank], they chose Doomfist, who fits it the LEAST. Also, Doomfist having tons of bugs isn't new, i remember a huge list and video of the tons of bugs he had even in OW1. The OW team really never had a clue what to do with him.

[@endlessnutellatoast]

it's because he would be a god as a DPS, he was also able to divorce your relationship with the ground for a moment which can get you hella killed.

[@a_bionicle6635]

@@endlessnutellatoasthe was never a god as a dps though, idk where this myth comes from

[@endlessnutellatoast]

@@a_bionicle6635 point of clarification I didn't say he was, I said he would be if he was still dps in overwatch 2 where cc's and movement is king most times. also as bad as tank feels it's they are still more powerful than ever before ie riens firestrike, imagine dps doom bullying you into a hog hook or an orisa ult, that's my thought on it anyway.

[@J.R.Swish1]

Everything you said about Genji is true still. The sad thing is, if I give up Genji, I'll have to give up Overwatch as well because there's no other hero I enjoy playing like him.

[@LordOfWaffles32]

I think Tank Doom is much better for the game (this is someone with 700 hours with him) than DPS Doom. What sucks is the dev team has no idea what spot to put him even more so then DPS Doom.

[@brandon1138]

This is just more of the same whining from supp mains who got smacked by doom. DPS doom was so much better to play. Now he's just a waste of space on the character select screen.

[@KarlKognitiv]

More so than*

[@metal100k]

​@brandon1138 dps doom was better to play, but not play against or play with. Due to his one shot and massive hp pool for a dps as well as mobility, it was a nightmare to play against. Dps doom had 4 options and the good outcome was not the most common one. You either feed and get no kills, feed and trade 1for1, survive and get out with no kills, or survive and get one kill. This is based on him alone btw. It's not fun to be one-shot by something that came from Narnia to hit you. It doesn't feel like you earned the kill either for doom players. It's not fun to play with a doom that is in Plat because he can't get kills with a hero designed around one shotting and goes in seemingly randomly. Doom works much better as a tank where he can punch people away, has the most readily available stun, and doesn't feel like he's getting a cheap instakill when he power punch combos you. One shots should be earned by aim, not by abilities

[@Lyonisdead]

@@metal100k if doom is a nightmare to play against at the time your team wasnt reacting properly, and his large hp for dps was countered by his massive hitbox for a a dps, and what ab bastion, he was 300 hp and has inane burst damage aswell.

[@metal100k]

@@Lyonisdead doom could literally kill someone *before* you could react. He can come from Narnia, peak a corner, or even engage in a proper dive. Bastion could not do any of those things. Bastion was not mobile. Bastions damage could be blocked, unlike punch. Bastion was stationary in turret form. Dooms hp was not countered by his hitbox, he gained shields with his abilities then like now, he was so mobile in both horizontal and vertical space that it was hard to hit anything meaningful on him. And if you did he was a free kill and that goes against dooms entire playstyle. Games were often, you get instakilled by a doom and either swapped to a better counter or you played far enough away that doom has to use everything and waste a lot of time to even get to you. If doom did not have so many bugs he would have been nerfed out of existence and it's not even close. Dps doom was just a pub stomper for people that knew how to play him and useless for the rest.

[@jackdaniel4721]

I remember towards the end of Overwatch 1 I picked up Doomfist and wanted to get good as him and as I was making improvement and getting better he got reworked in Overwatch 2. I still play Doomfist occasionally but I'm not having as much fun compared to Overwatch 1 Doom

[@bambampewpew32]

DUUDEEE I WAS GONNA PLAY HIM TOO :( at the end of ow1 but I was like nah it's too late it's not worth it so sad

[@Aliberator2]

Thank you for this Sam. Granted I’m not a super high rank doomfist(dad with a family and a more casual player that’s played against every rank)but I miss the value I used get with Him and being able to destroy lobbies and yes also get rolled lol. I have support player friends that justify the IMO’s and brain dead 1 dimensional characters that have changed everything. The conversation goes in circles and it always boils down to Blizzard wanting to make money and make the game less competitive and easier game for everyone. I miss competitive Overwatch and fair counter play. Maybe one day.Love Doom and love you Sam keep it up. And Dey say……

[@yorifps9493]

Samito, you're looking much healthier and better looking than you did in the past. Makes me happy to see you in such a new light, hope things keep going good for you brother.

[@beingbag2606]

"Guys I'm not feeding im inting for value!!!" - me in my next ranked game

[@lickilicky5288]

As the resident doom otp on tank in sam’s chat (who so happened to fall back to diamond 1 from mid masters because of mauga and hog), your backline, the enemy backline, and their tank pick are the biggest factor to your success on that character. If you have ass supps, gg; if they have a hog or mauga, you will be fighting for your life for the ana swap from your team; if they have either LW, Bap, Kiri, forfeit your right to a fair game. #BringBackDPSDoom

[@SasquatchPJs]

OW1: Doom was by far my most played hero. OW2: I've barely touched him. I loved the rollout playstyle, and it's pointless now. Same name, same player model, but he's not Doom anymore.

[@S1lent5t0rm]

i was a doom one trick in ow1 that took inspiration from your knowledge of the game and on doom and applied it but also the rollouts and the wild gameplay from quake and it was the most fun id ever had in overwatch

[@marcusbullock2753]

Bap Doom and Rein was my mains in Overwatch 1. Man I miss him.

[@ConspiracyCinema]

I’m an OW2 only player and holy shit I can’t imagine how fun DPS Doom was. I love him so much right now but it can be brutal. Why I stay a quickplay warrior with Doom

[@kyleisreal_tv]

The way you feel about Doom is how I feel about reaper. I just get bord of eating stuns and lamps and getting out and just doing that loop over and over again. I wish they would take that out of the game already. I miss when Overwatch let you pop off when you time a juicy flank. Or out play a team now its just go into the backline eat 20 ccs lamps wraith out pray your team walks in. Shoot a tank solo spin a support. I wanna frag man I wanna play the game lmao.

[@gonzoshots4691]

yo sam, you know i love you bro. been around in the streams since the rebirth era but i def was amazed and super into your OW1 doom content, between you and zbra you guys got me to put around 60 hours into a character i never really tried or understood until i watched you guys. im not saying hes bad, but i agree with your opinion, he was a lot more fun to play with his role in OW1 than OW2, at least for me.

[@HammondCR]

i honestly feel like doomfist as a dps was a better tank than tank doomfist has ever been

[@KnockKnockOW]

I used to love the pounce playstyle with reaper and doom, but neither of them do enough damage anymore to beat supports. Like you can execute perfectly and hit every shot and then they just get zipped across the map and full healed lol

[@scotthowie1349]

I started playing doom in like may this year and climbed up to a gm/t500 level and I can confirm there is nothing more frustrating than doing everything right only to die to a bug or a kiriko bap or LW presses one button such badly designed heroes on support

[@Memedealer069]

Bro it's kinda sad to see. A lot of good dedicated players for off tank roles are just getting rolled by supports and the devs decisioning on balancing. I've been a ball player for some time and we ball players can definitely relate to a good doomfist player. Everything can flipped on you from one small mistake. You don't even have to make a mistake and these supporters get a jail out of free card. A good part of the tank community does not want a boring platform of sitting on payload and holding a trigger button. Samito has been right about all these busted supports and game state for a long time. I'm glad he is one of the few BIG guys that steadily calls it out for what it is. Thanks man and I hope maybe there's a voice that'll get to Blizzard one day. I love this game but it's been slowly slipping off for tanks and off-tanks especially.

[@Quintonieum]

I like these videos, makes it harder to dismiss as hating when you bring the facts to the table.

[@EpsilonThirteen]

11:09 "It's not the Doomfist I fell in love with." Dude, it's not the OVERWATCH I fell in love with.

[@DarthPicarat]

I think a problem OV has is that the changes aren't given enough time, what feels op initially may not be once the player base gets time to learn strats to overcome it

[@angel-sloth]

DPS doom will always be fun for me bc of his unique play style he has that no other shooter has, this with my love for fighting games got me into this character and I started watching pro gamers to learn how to make him get value, two that come to mind are of course, getquakedon and yours truly, Samitooo👊🏼

[@lucky-tm9795]

Doom in ow1 kept me playing this game..

[@SILK97]

Totally unrelated, but damn the OW2 sound design is so much improved over the original game. That intro clip just kinda highlighted that for me

[@MonochromeYTMusic]

This is exactly what I've been saying about Doom for a long time - I loved the character, his kit made it so that enemies had to get good or die, and couldn't rely on OP cooldowns to survive - now Doom still has the same skill floor to get value, but the value you get is MUCH less and the enemies don't even have to be good to deny that value. I love hitting every CD, every primary fire, but getting ZERO value because my enemy pressed one button. That's a fantastic, engaging and fun gameplay loop /s

[@untitledESCAPEROOMproject]

"I love hitting every CD, every primary fire, but getting ZERO value because my enemy pressed one button." But DF's cooldown are so short compared to support cooldowns. They saved themselves or a team mate with a cooldown? Cool, but you'll be able to engage again before they have it a second time, so you still "got value" even if you didn't get a kill. Trading short cooldown resources for their long cooldown resources is a win.

[@MonochromeYTMusic]

@@untitledESCAPEROOMproject You seem to forget that there are two supports in the game, each with multiple ways to deny doom value. Doom engages - Suzu goes off - disengage. Doom engages - Bap immortality field - disengage. Doom engages - Suzu is back off cool down, Kiri can still teleport away and bap can still use boots without a CD, plus can burst heal the team. It's not hard to outplay a Doomfist as long as you don't click every cool down at the same time. He's in a terrible state and supports are incredibly overtuned at the moment.

[@MonochromeYTMusic]

Plus baiting out CDs isn't really value when they have other CDs that also deny doom value - it's not like baiting out an Ana Sleep, because she's vulnerable after using that and that IS value, engaging on the majority of support heroes is genuinely a giant waste of time, and you'd be better off playing any other tank in the game except maybe Wrecking Ball.

[@untitledESCAPEROOMproject]

@@MonochromeYTMusic Is Doom the only one on the team? The rest of the team can help pressure out those cooldowns too. Support abilities are strong, yes, but they have longer cooldowns, and the abilities to bait out those cooldowns are ALL on much shorter cooldowns. What prevents teams from using their shorter cooldowns to their advantage?

[@MonochromeYTMusic]

@@untitledESCAPEROOMproject You're missing the point, I'm talking about DOOM's value, not the team's value. Every other tank (again, apart from ball) has a better matchup against support heroes. In an even game with the exact same teams except the tanks, a team with Doom on it will be worse off than one without him. The tanks are designed to be brawlers, and get value on their OWN. That was the entire design choice when they gigabuffed them all and went 5v5 in the first place. Doom can't replicate the value other tanks can get on their own, especially when engaging onto support heroes. If you genuinely believe that he's worth playing, then I'm sorry but you're delusional.

[@trevin277]

I like tank Doom his movement is fun and on occasion you can pop off and feel like a god but when he feels bad to play he feels awful. There's something about his damage that's just off because a million times I'll land a fully charged punch into a wall, melee, and shot all four shots and some how they'll get away from the altercation with just enough health to make my endeavor meaningless. You could argue skill issue but every other tank doesn't require perfection from you to get a kill or two there's like four that are rewarded for moving forward and clicking till everything in from of them is dead

[@zerocares2655]

When I play tank, I usually play doom, he fits more into the fluid style that old dva had where you can zip around the map making decisions to pressure backline or brawl or peel for your backline

[@JohnIvoryMusic]

Samito is on fire with the content 🔥🔥

[@rustynails9560]

Loving these hot takes Sam, keep making this content

[@ahmadsibai8598]

they removed the fun aspect of df, short Cds with constant action in the fight

[@meduza93]

Yo Sam the "bit ly" URL in the description does not work. Just sayin. Regarding the video...man the dps doomfist was soo smooth. They really gutted him for ow2 no cap...

[@dangerboy123]

Blizzard needs to do like how fighting game developers do. Bring in pros to help balance heroes. Im willing to bet it all that no one in house plays/understands doomfist.

[@treasuredquartz]

I still play Doom, but for me Ive never liked playing Overwatch- I liked playing Doomfist. And TankFist has made Doomfist a lot less fun. He's more viable, but I didn't play Doom because he was viable. Without the fun of Doomfist, I would just not play Overwatch. DPSFist gave the player 9 (Purely on paper) different options on how to engage, and maps/enemies created reasons for each ones. TankFist, you Slam and Punch out. Or you Punch in and Slam out. A character like Ashe, shouldn't have more combo capability than a Fighting Game character. Doom should not be simple/"dumbed down" for players. For me: Ive never cared about Doomfist having a one-shot, being a glass cannon, or movement-techs (which was just exploiting unintended mechanics), but I cared about mobility and choice. And TankFist just doesn't have any variety to his playstyle anymore. He's arguably the same amount of mobility (maybe more) but its the same boring mobility with no variance. I want Uppercut back.

[@Chungy21]

As a Doom main i would love to play dps Doom or at least him with his uppercut as i played OW1 when it first relased for a bit and didn't it play afterwards so i never got to experience dps Doom.

[@alessandrocatallo797]

I think tank doom is much better than dps doom, is more fluid to play and more fair to play against, the problem is not in his design but in how the game is balance, if the game was properly balance doom would feel much better, but i don't think it's a 5v5 role q issue, it's the fact that the powercreep initially generated on the support role and now spredded among all the roles is ruining the game, hopefuly S9 would fix powercreep (and doom bugs lol)

[@Westbrook__]

It's very simple. Why play doom and try to put hundreds of hours into him to master him, just to get very little value. If you can go on orisa, mauga, hog, sigma for an hour and get a grasp of the hero and their abilities, and also be on a meta hero! But that's been the case for most dive tanks in ow2 (a.k.a the skill tanks) there has been MAYBE 2 dive metas in ow2. Every other meta is just poke and brawl. Hell orisa's had like 3 metas and hog's had 2 already and it's only been a year of ow2.

[@dustinbiester4401]

I think the empowered gauntlet should effect the ground slam as well as the punch. Id like to see it slow enemies like in the beta (only when empowered though). I think the empowered punch would have to be tweeked a bit (stun times and damage) if they added this but it would definitely help bring Doom up a few tiers.

[@Guardian1557]

I've been playing doom since the last season of overwatch 1 and I only played him as a dps for about 4 days or so then overwatch 1 ended now I've been playing doom as a tank since season 1 mostly one tricking him or hard maining him and never swapping because I know the only way to be good with this hero is to only play him 99.9% of the time I love doomfist but there are some times that I get bored and play my other favorite tanks like rein or hog but I always find myself coming back because the movement for doom feels so incredibly different from any other hero on the roster

[@jahcumminin]

Doom was and is my favorite hero , but i rarely get to play him 😢

[@basilenordmann7356]

I don’t think doom is nearly as hard as people say. Yeah compared to other tanks, he is, but compared to dva in ow1, it’s not even close how much harder she was… Tank just lacks depth. It’s just press your space button at the right time. But I don’t even think it has to do with immortalities, it’s just the lack of strategies that makes it boring. 1 tank can accomplish one mission, where 2 could accomplish up to 1000 missions, with nuances in strategies and executions… Also be careful about re-interpretating the chronology and perceived feelings when we talk about ow1 a few years ago. Immortalities were not a problem, moira was lame and brig was the destroyer of world she always has been, but the rest of the support roster was fine, we complained mostly about tanks. And it is for a reason, tanks were the strongest, beside brig. But they were not so strong that you couldn’t beat them by playing perfectly, which gave the players the idea that maybe, it was fair for them to have a chance of beating a tank. Now this idea just disappeared, we collectively admit (for a reason that I do not understand whatsoever) that if you have a tank in front of you, you lose. Like the idea of beating a worse tank player than you is just gone. Why? Idfk. Therefore we fail to realize that tank is still by far the best role in the game. So nerf kiriko, remove brig and bring these moron tank players to an acceptable level, microsoft!

[@ProvenOW]

I think the devs just need to pull an Operation Health for Doom for a few months and fix a whole bunch of bugs and restore techs and such. Just like they did for Siege. If they truly cared about every character in the game they'd sacrifice time for a character this broken.

[@vaepuer2290]

Blizzard hates doomfist. I and a buddy of mine have been developing a doom clone for a while, but man, I can see why they hate him. I'm a doom main, since ow1 when he got released and I just miss it. McCree has his stun back, brig has her stun back. Doom? Doom lost a versatile slam ability and an uppercut and increased cooldowns.

[@jacobkelly1653]

It also feels like the devs dont like doomplayers because 1 time in the history of OW2 he was meta he got emergency nerfed within 1 WEEK, the one time my favorite character in the game was good they nerfed immediately and them nerfed him more and more ever since

[@lordbuntcake]

I'll still play doom, I find him very fun to play. I don't get that from any of the other tanks. I refuse to play hog or orisa. But I just wish blizzard would do something with him, they have no idea what to do with doom at all ever since removing 6v6

[@FjpTheDon]

The character is not ruined but his concept is in my opinion. His name is DOOM *FIST*, not doom primary fire. Not saying him as a tank should have a 1 shot punch but with the constant nerfs to him making his only good ability (empowered fist) harder to get and harder to get value it makes it feel like I have to try harder when I'm on doom than any other tank. I still place top 100 w him but like I said when I play other tanks it feels so much easier to get value with.

[@MansterBear]

U need to put a link to your second channel in the description. I think I found it yesterday but I had to do some searching

[@LateCloser]

Agree with everything you said, except that it's not his design. It is his design. He wasn't designed for 5v5 (nor to be a tank). Neither were most of the other characters. The mistake they made was not redesigning the characters for 5v5. Especially, the "tanks". Roadhog, ball, DoomFist, etc. All disasters in OW2. They even "remade" Roadhog and effectively didn't change him a bit. Wow, a trap! Problem solved!

[@passadelirious4947]

Always remember, they deleted dps doomfist and the next dps to occupy that missing spot was.. Soujorn. Much said.

[@PizaPoward]

i want you to make a tierlist of who you think is the most EFFECTIVE picks. like just in general. obviously all the supports will probably be A+ tier but you know... would be interesting with your thought process

[@G-Realla]

As someone who got into doomfist late in ow1 there was just something different about him my first 20hrs was learning how to get the best out of his slam on different maps i remember getting airstrike on junkertown first point it was so satisfying vs airstrikes replacement power punch

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

Yep, Moira can’t fade away from my Doom punch or combo, Brig can’t gain all her hp back in an instant after being shot to 1hp if I just punch her, and Bap can’t immo survive if I punch or uppercut him out. Same goes for a hero like Mei, no ice blocking after the punch. Doom was my anti-cheese pick. Oh, you’re going full cringe comp so I can’t have fun on Genji? Well it’s time to fight the 250hp DPS that gains shields and feasts on you kids grouping up. I miss those days, those certain support players would be so mad you are farming them on Doom going over the rooftops, and it’s like bro, you guys are running Moira/Brig you deserve this. Doom was the necessary evil (one shot) that fought for good (high skill and flankers being relevant). I’m fine with them removing the one shot, and DPS Doom could’ve easily worked without a one shot, but the real issue is that they addressed that before Bap immo or Brig’s kit functionality and instead of fixing those things they threw us in 5v5 since it artificially made those kits worse by being more exposed and less grouped. They’re still BS mechanics, and they’re still making people quit OW. And honestly now, tank Doom feels even worse than DPS Doom since he can feel like he’s 1v5ing your whole team and they keep giving him stupid buffs like the power blocking after being stuck giving empowered punch and gaining HP in ult. He is starting to feel not worth shooting since his CD cycle has gotten buffed. All we needed was like OW2 beta Doom with like +5 dmg to punch and he’d be balanced yet challenging. Instead they want him to be good at the skill floor but keep ruining his high skill expression. I love this dev team!

[@davidnewhart2533]

I miss the old stun duration on his Rocket Punch.

[@RudeXII]

At first, we needed an extra tank and that was fine, but now the tank category is robust enough that I don't think we need Doomfist to BE a tank anymore. You can put him back in the DPS category now. You don't even need to change his abilities back to DPS doom. You can just reduce his hitbox back to the DPS Doom size, let him keep power block and lower the damage reduction and revert his health back to maybe 250. He could keep his flexibility from overwatch 1 where you can either attempt to flank, or sit back behind your tank and command the team which is one of the visions/ hero fantasies I think they had for Doomfist when he was released. Not giving him uppercut back would also prevent some of his crazier rollouts from OW1. But I definitely think its time to bring him back to the DPS category now.

[@Doomed2Fail]

I remember I was playing a ranked game on Hollywood and we were defending second point and got near the jail cell area and I was stalling alone on point. Ulted for the heal as my ana is running back with nano and land and get a pick with the ult and get slept on drop with my ultimate and they drop me to like 80 hp I flick to slam and I landed on the wheelbarrow and no regged the slam and my ana was about to peak out to nano me but I died because of the no reg on the wheelbarrow and lost the game

[@llllTatollll]

Damn that’s crazy He gonna stop playing doom the same way he stopped playing overwatch like five times

[@BhgDello999]

I have watched you since almost the beginning man , watched you switch characters honestly have the same character pool as you , and everything you said about doom is true , but I still play him I feel a little reward when I’m able to pop off and carry because how much harder they have made it for him to carry . I’m only d1 tank but I still like to play him even tho he’s kinda garbage rn

[@erronblack3462]

when they made him a tank i just stopped playing after two weeks i was no longer having fun none of the other heroes were fun enough to pull me back in or make me keep playing . sometimes i miss ow but then im reminded there is no point in going back it is no longer the game i liked. He was the most fun character i ever played in a multiplayer game zipping trough the map in a blink of an eye picking fights everywhere feeling the fear of my enemies XD oh boy it was sooo much fun. OH and don't even get me started on the 1v1 with also a good doom in the middle of a cahotic team fight man i wish they would at least make him come back in quicplay or somewhere i'D go back in a heart beat to the game.

[@Corentinbes]

What's that music called again? I'm sure I know it from somewhere.

[@JM7900]

I only play the game because my friends are new and enjoy it. They ruined what I loved about the game and doom is a major part of that

[@everguevara92]

I play doom still but much rather would play dps doom. I learned doomfist late into ow1 and was able to get pretty good with him hitting diamond for the first time. Tank doom has gotten me to diamond but with other tanks helping the way. ❤

[@Trash_Console_DoomLol]

11:51 Literally have been saying that for months and people dismiss it "BaD dOoM LoL" 💀

[@tannerfiddler7676]

I feel the exact same way with genji in ow one first character I absolutely fell in love with but once brig and Moira were added it felt like supports killed him a hundred times easier then he could kill them

[@rouge_blackjack161]

I still play Doom, I’m miserable and bored of the counter swaps, my targets are always 1 hp even after empowered punch, primary and melee. No matter, Doom was good and could actually kill targets, now I feel like a punching bag with a gauntlet

[@AC130ow]

Its crazy how much of this is just unknown, only a doom player would know these things but to everyone else hes just "op, fast, no skill" In ow1 too doom had these bugs and its wild to me that there was this "passion" for overwatch from the creators and the developers but they just didnt seem to enjoy doom or genji so they left them in the dirt, while making fan favourites perfect for everyone else. Why create these heroes in the first place ?

[@dark_matter8420]

Man, Doom really is just like Ball. Completely left behind in OW1 with a playstyle the game really doesn't cater to anymore.

[@SamitoFPS]

Nah he’s a bit different and he has had his spots where he’s very viable, I just don’t enjoy him

[@undrtakr900]

What is your second channel called?

[@nitropodcast1199]

If they could move him to the tank roll, could they move him back to dps? Just seems like many of these things could be fixed if they just adjusted the roster properly… cuz adding doom in the tank roll just seemed… idk,, off. Rework his kit,, but yes, it seems like supports get all the good offensive and defensive and hell even passive abilities. I get that the support role seems like it wasn’t getting the love.. but it seems like one roll gets way more love and the other 2.

[@Aw3someOpZ]

On the terms of doom not getting value because of the no brain, high reward characters, this really why I don’t like high skilled players crying about 1 shots; now you got healers being damn near immortal. Hog would have been that skill check for healers with bad positioning but nooooooo. Now you got kirikos doing flanks, baps making soldier almost obsolete, and healers shouldn’t be able to square up to tanks.

[@gg.no.re.]

People forget about classic Sam being a ladder monster with Hanzo haha

[@WhiteHeatBooks]

I feel like there’s definitely a middle ground to be found between Doomfist’s DPS and Tank versions.

[@vanderlin4966]

Ah 6v6. We hope to see your return soon ❤️

[@ravenclaw390]

It’s like yeatle with wrecking ball 😢

[@oyunboldboldbaatar5519]

I liked Doomfist in OW1 because he was straight up broken pre nerf. Didn't play him after the nerf much but pre-nerf doom was actually ridiculous.

[@d4mephisto]

RIP DPS Doom. I miss playing you so much :(