Why Scandinavian Unions are Striking Against Tesla

[@thoso1973]

US corporate giants have tried butting heads with unions in Scandinavia before; they usually lose in the end. That's how McDonalds employees here in DK have good wages, 5 weeks of paid vacation and maternity leave.

[@vitas75]

Here in Lithuania, 4 weeks of paid vacation and 2 years of maternity leave are mandated by our government.

[@johanullen]

Denmark, like Sweden, has 5 weeks of paid vacation and parental leave (both maternity and paternity) by law; there is no need to be in a union or on a union contract to be guaranteed that. I'm not saying that unions are pointless, but for those two points, they are.

[@eamdude]

The DK case is unrelated to Sweden, The Swedish collective-agreements is a unique collaboration between the unions the companies collective organisation, it is unique to Sweden. I have been active in Swedish union, part of the union team dealing with the collective-agreements with the employer. In any negotiation where there is no agreement you dont have the right to strike and the employer "wins". The Swedish collective-agreements lost their power when sweden entered the EU.

[@RandomerFellow]

The result may be that American companies do not start up or stay in Scandinavia, or even the EU in the long run.

[@thoso1973]

@@RandomerFellow American companies are not in a habit of leaving market opportunities to their competitors. Strangely enough, they seem to pay their workers much better here than their US workers and still make a profit.

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

A bunch of errors in this video. Tesla sued Transportstyrelsen and Postnord, not the union. And the courts only made a temporary decision to allow for the plates to be delivered, amoungst other things

[@petrograd4068]

They sued both Transportstyrelsen and Postnord, but like you said they won the temporary decision against Transportstyrelsen, not Postnord.

[@ulf6drega]

Another fault is the number of workers on strike. It is not 130, it's an undisclosed fraction of those. All Tesla service centers in Sweden are open. IF Metall wants to represent 130 workers, but it just some of them that are actual members of the union, perhaps 10%.

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

@@ulf6drega The only people who claim that its 10% is Tesla. And I wouldn't be suprised if they were lying

[@ulf6drega]

@nilskoresaar8710 and IF Metall don't want to say a number at all. Make of it what you want. My guess is that they are ashamed of how few members they represent...

[@Gfynbcyiokbg8710]

@@ulf6drega They kind of have, but 10% is definately not true

[@Pinnfolk]

The information between 6:22 and 6:44 seems to be completely wrong. Seko did not get sued, Postnord (a postal company) and Transportstyrelsen (the branch of government dealing with traffic) did. And no one has “won” a lawsuit in a few hours, it’s just that as a stop gap solution Tesla can now go pick up their mail from the sender instead of sending it through Postnord. (they couldn’t before because of a contract) it might be a different lawsuit that the video is talking about but more likely the name of the union and the name of the company people are striking at has gotten mixed up.

[@freja9398]

Transportstyrelsen*, but otherwise correct! TLDR News need to be better at factchecking. Always errors in videos where I know the subject, makes me wonder if all of their other videos have a lot of errors as well.

[@Pinnfolk]

@@freja9398 thanks, edited my comment. They do make their videos quickly so some mistakes are to be expected. But factchecking is worse in the news than I thought when I was young. Best not to be taken as gospel.

[@sebastianorye2702]

And another major factual error is the quantity of workers on strike. The video claims over 100 workers are on strike, a number with Tesla alongside other sources has disputed. Tesla in a mail to Swedish Tesla owners stated that over 90% of its employees have chosen to remain in its position, and other sourced had indicated only 6 out of the 130 employees tesla have are on strike. Some employees have even started a strike against the strike, copying their uniform, but changing the message on the vest. Another factual error is regarding the union firings in Buffalo. The reason they won the ruling was because those workers weren't fired unjustly. Firing workers who are unionising is illegal. Tesla was removing the video labelling team for autopilot as it had developed a neural net algorithm to do it instead. The firings would have happened regardless of union involvement. Moreover, while Tesla has made their stance very clear against Unions, something which might pressure workers away from trying to join, interviews with workers indicate that there is little to no interest in doing so at all. You might see article stating that Tesla pays workers less on average, and have fewer benefits, which is true on filings, however not true in reality. This doesn't take into account the Tesla stock options which Tesla uniquely offers to all its employees (15% off on tesla stock twice a year- up to a certain amount). I hope changes to this video are made accordingly.

[@perjohanaxell9862]

​@@sebastianorye2702perhaps one should be a little sceptical about information coming from Tesla as they have a quiet big interest in minimising this.

[@mrrolandlawrence]

yes TLDR has turned into a bit of a "workers rights / unions ugh" channel.

[@24jh42]

Danish unions says that if the Swedish unions ask the Danes for support, they would do so by striking in Denmark as well. It annoys both unions and Danish politicians that Tesla refuses to participate in the established traditions for how the "rules" on the job market is conducted in Denmark since 1899. Not by political decret, but by negotiation between union and employer organisations. Edit: And the Danish union 3F has joined the conflict by restricting Tesla cars from being docked and transported to Sweden via Denmark. There is however still no direct conflict in Denmark, as the union hope negotiation and reason would prevail, to persuade Tesla a Collective Agreement is benefical for all.

[@freja9398]

This is like when your little brother who you usually have sibling fights with all the time protect their sister from bullies at school! Tack älskade lillebror 🥰🇩🇰

[@tangfors]

Good to hear, I hope they get the Germans involved too, because then it will be really noticeable for Tesla. In addition, all of you who are sitting on Tesla shares now is a good time to sell.

[@24jh42]

@@tangfors today the Danish union 3F declared it would stop the transport of Tesla cars to Sweden. With both Norway and Denmark eliminated as an alternative for Tesla import to Sweden. The conflict could easily escalate to a Nordic conflict.

[@SophiaAstatine]

​@@freja9398Except we're the older sibling, and Sweden is our rebellious middle sibling.

[@benktlofgren4710]

@@SophiaAstatine It is well known that we Swedes see ourselves as the Scandinavian big brother, perhaps Danes look at them selves the same in Denmark :) Any way Denmark's help is much appreciated 😊

[@Valokaari]

Finland stands with Sweden as the Finnish Transport Workers' Union announced today that they'll start blocking all shipments to Tesla in Sweden that are going through Finland. They will start the block on the 20th. 🇫🇮🤝🇸🇪

[@annjuurinen6553]

I just knew it. Finland and Sweden and Denmark.

[@xh3598]

Sweden is the icing on the cake to bankrupt Tesla. I want Diesel and regular gas to last forever. When Sweden wins the battle, the union across the globe will win against Tesla, which spells bankruptcy because Elon will EXIT with his SHARES to venture into other projects.

[@peteroffpist1621]

cars don’t come from Finland.

[@Valokaari]

@@peteroffpist1621 through and not just cars but spare parts etc

[@rasmusbengtsson2787]

Finland and sweden stand strong togheter 😎

[@Shukuyou]

A small note: When IF Metall say they can keep the strike going a 'long time', they mean a long time. IF Metall has enough funds to pay the strikers a full salary for 50 years.

[@gustavodqvist9422]

No, no. You got it all wrong. It's not 50 years, it's 500 years. They have no issues with funding this strike at all.

[@thecryingsoul]

Collective bargaining in Sweden is essentially there INSTEAD of government regulation, which is why formal regulation regarding employment is fairly loose there. The way employment is structured there essentially doesn't work without said agreement. It is very different from a company not signing a deal with a union in something like the US, where the government often assumes the roles unions fill in Sweden

[@BOZ_11]

big business just puts politicians in their pocket. Unions and/or collective bargaining = more guns, more freedom (this is for the yanks) 🤣🤣

[@BOZ_11]

@@grahamcook9289 can you form a cogent counter? i guess if you could, you would 🤷‍♀🤷‍♀

[@Jonas_M_M]

This is why, at first, German unions were against the implimentation of a minimum wage by the social-democratic SPD, which shows how unions politics is, like all politics, about power.

[@BOZ_11]

@@Jonas_M_M politics can be about power, but it can also (and is also) about Justice. The fact that you need power to extract a just outcome, doesn't mean it's base. The former are the owners of capital, the latter are workers (seeking a fair shake). All labor gains were had through collective action. The owners of capital need to be forced, to be fair. It has never, ever, been any different

[@perjohanaxell9862]

​@@grahamcook9289you oversimplify. Manufacturing moves to cheaper countries all the time. While it can be somewhat countered by trying to keep wages down it's quite hard for workers in well developed countries to compete against both automation and low cost countries. Unions are one of the only ways workers can get some negotiation power and it's been quite successful in Sweden where the unions understand that pushing too hard means losing your job.

[@PixelShade]

I honestly feel like American companies can go sell their products elsewhere if they don't conform to how our society works. Labor exploitation doesn't end up well here in Sweden. We are skilled and proficient, but we are also well aware of our value.

[@FilipeSilva1]

well said.

[@sitruchtims9392]

Brexit was purposely designed to turn the UK into the USA, this behaviour from Musk shows clear as day the present danger to my country and its terrifying.

[@ObjectiveTruthRefinary]

then don't work at the company if you don't like it so much... Sabotaging the business because you don't have the guts to just go and find another job... Just leave and let people who are willing to work do their job. Nobody owes you anything... YOu agreed on salary X -> you get salary X. if now you want Benefits Z and you don't get them... GO and find a company that will give those benefits. If you are as "Valuable" as you think you are then another position should not be a problem.

[@MacDaddy8200]

@@ObjectiveTruthRefinary You clearly doesnt understand the scandinavian system, if firms dont let their workers unionise they seize to exist.

[@florianschneider3982]

​@@MacDaddy8200But you already understand that this is fascism, right?

[@wertywerrtyson5529]

As a Swede this is interesting because unions here are very complacent. It’s not like in other countries where strikes are common. Most of the time businesses and unions work together. At my work membership is encouraged and the union is regularly invited to recruit people. But unions have fallen in popularity since the 80s when 90% where members to now about 65%. More people are still covered by collective bargaining despite not being members but as far as members are concerned it’s been a steady drop since the 80s as people are becoming more “American” in their values and making money is seen as the goal not solidarity. This is in a way a fight for the Swedish identity.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

also the fact that a lot of workers dont understand how much their benefits were built up by the unions. employers dont steadily raise salaries and provide protections if they dont have to, and its thanks to unions that they do.

[@macjonte]

Agree! But note it is a difference between being a member in a union and being part of the collective agreement.90% of all employees in sweden are under a collective agreement with one of the unions. Those not affected by agreement is almost all hired by very small companies. Should be said to foreigners that there is very little legalisation for the employment market, almost everything is negotiated between the workers union and the employer union. Yes, the employers also have a union.

[@TheBooban]

Swedish unions are very complacent. For example working for free, otherwise known as internships, is gaining ground in Sweden. But Swedes, naive as they are, don’t even know this. They live in another world. But forcing companies to sign collective agreements is extremely important for the higher ups.

[@rohankishibe8259]

Europeans thinking they could bite the hand that saved them and rebuilt them is the world's top story for entitlement, y'all are vessels for the Amarican empire, get over it, else you would have been under the soviets and Nazis.

[@Eoin-B]

Don't you think it might be due to solidarity strikes though. In Ireland it's legal here too and if the public bus drivers go on strike, then the private sector taxies may also go and vice versa, so the government and public would put way more pressure an any employer that believes it could hold out. He we very almost had a health workers strike in solidarity with the UK's a couple of years ago. We also have SIPTU, so if the welders at a factory went on strike, the whole private service sector from baristas, to cleaners to plumbers and electrictians could go on strike and totally shut the country down, so that will never happen.

[@BoyeeSmudger]

Don't mess with the swedes. Worked with a team (briefly) from saab aerospace. In a nutshell the coffee was taken from the guys in the office, none of them turned up until the coffee was reinstated.

[@jonevansauthor]

This isn't Tesla messing with the Swedes, this is the Swedes messing with the Swedes who want to work for Tesla and are happy with their conditions and don't want to give up their money to the unions for literally nothing. They don't have any concerns for a union to fight for.

[@MaxiTB]

I call reacting to one-sided changes mature behavior. Why would you let a violation of unspoken contract just fly by?

[@jonevansauthor]

@@MaxiTB sorry I'm not sure what that means.

[@him_That_is_me]

>trying to take away a Swedish blue collar worker's fika Yeah, nah. you don't do that. Swedish workers will have their fika break or you will not have swedish workers

[@CrimsonsDeath12]

Norwegian Tesla labourers at the ready, don't fuck with Scandis in general. Your companies might abuse you in the US but don't ever think you can give the Swedes a beating without inviting us to join in Sincerely -A Norwegian

[@nocturne7371]

Quick correction, it was not SEKO that was sued, it was the Postal Service and the transport agency. It's not a final ruling and the ruling said that Tesla must be able to, themselves, PICK UP the licens plates, it did not force the postal service to deliver them.

[@MarkusWitthaut]

Tesla has already lost because of reputation damage in Europe. Tesla is ignoring a core value of the Swedish society: employers and employees work to together. This is usually done on a sector level where you have employers associations like BIL Sweden negotiating with employees organizations like IF Metall. Agreements are reached in a non-confrontational manner. Swedes rarely go on strike (this is not France). So Tesla triggering this strike and subsequently many solidarity strikes show that Tesla is "not getting" the swedish mindset. This is even spreading to Denmark. There is no data available yet, but I would assume that Swede who considered buying a Tesla is much more inclined to not buy the car from Tesla. Of course, the Swedish EV market is not important for Tesla, but the reputation damage might spill over to Norway or even Germany. Of course, Tesla sales in Europe are far lower than the sales in the USA and China.

[@sylvester4207]

Norway is the country with the highest EV amount per capita by a big margin. So I would say that if norway were to go on a strike too tesla would get sad.

[@xh3598]

Sweden is the icing on the cake to bankrupt Tesla. I want Diesel and regular gas to last forever. When Sweden wins the battle, the union across the globe will win against Tesla, which spells bankruptcy because Elon will EXIT with his SHARES to venture into other projects.

[@ShadowTani]

It already spilled over to Norway shortly after your comment, lol. Fellesforbundet started blocking Teslas going to Sweden in a similar move as Denmark.

[@fearnpol4938]

Many people here in Norway have shrewdly walked away from Tesla due to reliability, quality issues and other manufacturers offering cheaper and better products.

[@gampie13]

Reliability is a massive must in Norwegian terrein. You don't want to be stuck out in the mountains or valley in Norway

[@MrKalleKnast]

Danish transport union just joined in solidarity strike today. Danish dock workers and truck drivers won't deliver Tesla to Sweden.

[@peteroffpist1621]

Tesla is delivered from Holland not Denmark. Dutch trucks can freely pass Denmark.

[@effexon]

how is norway? once fan army of tesla owners.

[@richardbloemenkamp8532]

If Tesla wants to destroy its European market then this is a good first step. It won't be long until the strikes will spread to Denmark, Germany etc. and I expect potential EU customers might start to focus on other brands as well.

[@Kuutti_original]

As of right now it has already spread to Denmark, Norway and Finland. Will definitely spread more, unions are the european work culture.

[@robinheider414]

Germany ig metal has responded that in Germany the action of the Scandinavian union would be regarded as illegal and would expose the union to legal action. So the uniformity you speak of doesn't seem to be as universal as you would have us believe. As to focusing on other brands of evs the competition isn't in the eu but rather China. Interesting that Geely owns Volvo now that leaves what swedish manufacturer?. Saic owns MG. Polestar .......vw has announced new partnerships in China.....

[@xh3598]

Sweden is the icing on the cake to bankrupt Tesla. I want Diesel and regular gas to last forever. When Sweden wins the battle, the union across the globe will win against Tesla, which spells bankruptcy because Elon will EXIT with his SHARES to venture into other projects.

[@peteroffpist1621]

wishful thinking, it’s the other way around. Sweden will be the looser in the long run. Tesla has transformed the world for renewables and communications there is no turning back now. Sweden is the looser.

[@JonM-ts7os]

Earn your pay dont twist a companys arm to get more by providing no extra value.

[@rsantana389]

This is to me what love for your country and love for your neighbour looks like

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Delusional thinking

[@beepboopbeepp]

@@lawrencefrost9063 the irony in your comment is if you aren’t from a well off family then you’d be dirt poor today without unions, i wonder who’s really delusional?

[@lawrencefrost9063]

@@beepboopbeepp Unions had their time and place and their existence was important. But people are way too entitled now, way too sollipstic. In scandinavia we have too much of a good thing already our employees can't be fired, we can go on a paid sick leave whenever for no reason, I can do whatever the fuck I want and I can't be fired if I play my cards right. Yet people want more rights, more pay, more stuff, it's so very short sighted. I'm extremely glad we are where we are, this isn't the US. Here we have benefits and universal free healthcare all that shit so why are people still complaining? It' like this; Compare your situation with others. I'm working here getting 10 euros per hour but I haven't complained about my job ever, you know why? I look at the children in Bangladesh or India or Nepal working for one euro a day and ask myself who the fuck am I to complain? U people are so entitled it's ridiculous and u don't even realize your position. Instead you complain and want more and cry and whine all the time (you being generally everyone)

[@lawrencefrost9063]

@@beepboopbeepp I am dirt poor by some standards u fuck, but rich compared to most of humanity, ergo not unhappy about my wealth.

[@xh3598]

Sweden is the icing on the cake to bankrupt Tesla. I want Diesel and regular gas to last forever. When Sweden wins the battle, the union across the globe will win against Tesla, which spells bankruptcy because Elon will EXIT with his SHARES to venture into other projects.

[@kevinknaap9458]

Oh no! :O The billionaire and rich car company needs to sign something to look after workers :( how will he recover

[@spugelo359]

The boor billionaire is unable to buy another luxury car this year. This is so horrible!

[@LynxLord1991]

In Scandinavia you play by our rules or get the f out just ask mcdonalds who didnt want to make contracts and was promptly striked out and the people refused buying their foods

[@SvenElven]

There have been numerous US franchises that have tried to establish themselves in Scandinavia but have pulled out after finding that their predatory business practices wouldn't fly here.

[@Kiiiw]

They are playing by the rules yet the union tries to destroy and empower by acting like a maffia by extortion.

[@SvenElven]

@@Kiiiw boot taste good bruh?

[@Kiiiw]

@Mikebumpful what are you talking about? Is that your anser when you know someone else are right and you have no argument? Sucker...

[@LynxLord1991]

@@Kiiiw Unions and their talks arent ignored around here. If you dont want to sit down and talk it out with the unions they have the right and duty to fight for the workers. I dont know where you are from but its legal here so if you want to do business here you follow the rules. I dont see the mafia stuff at all, you have to satisfy your workers. It ensures that a megacorp dont abuse their workers and squeeze them dry like in Murica or Japan

[@aidanclarke6106]

Way to go Sweden. Love from France 💪❤️🇫🇷

[@florianschneider3982]

🤡

[@aidanclarke6106]

@@tpac7801 - 😂

[@gambit8766]

@@grahamcook9289 nice copy-paste dude, here is my copy-paste of my answer to this same comment you left on another comment. Then you can go and work in that Tesla Factory for the equivalent of the price of an ice cream per month and without any safety standards. Without the unions, we would still be sending in children into factory machinery to clean it when it was still running hell they are halfway back there in the USA already. Do you have any clue what factory owners and corporations did before unions? I have no desire to go back to that, but if you want to die on the factory floor for just enough money to buy dinner for the evening, go the fuck right ahead.

[@DennisHeikki]

Now Finland, Norway and Denmark have joined in too lol

[@susannradal9303]

Yes the Norwegian pension fund owns 6.8 billion $ in Tesla and are using that power along with that we are Teslas 4th biggest market and Sweden is the 5th biggest. We are also very strict with where we invest our money turned down Wallmart for their lack of worker and human rights among a lot of others😅

[@nielsjensen4185]

@@susannradal9303 The three major pension funds in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden have drastically reduced their investment in Tesla as a result of the conduct of the company.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

an important thing to mention regarding the dip (it has risen back up to 70%) in union memberships is that when the automotive strikers in the US gained victories, other adjacent companies and businesses which were not unionized suddenly began to increase salaries and provide better benefits as well for their workers, specifically to avoid giving their workers incentive to also get unionized. this is indicative of another challenge for unions. So Unions, like most good things, not only has to consistently fight employers regarding worker's rights, salaries and protections, but whenever they do manage to guarantee those things a lot of employees will suddenly forget why they are in an union to begin with, and employers are very keen to uphold the image that they give fair deals to employees, despite prior history of not doing so, furthering the illusion that the Unions are merely a obtrusive third party rather than the literal only reason why conditions are so good in the first place. there is a reason why businesses in unionized countries appear far more fair and balanced than businesses in low-unionized countries, because the former knows that if they fail to meet basic demands of the workers they will start working together and collectively bargain.

[@enemixius]

It's also funny when companies try to use the excuse "We don't need a CBA, our employees have better conditions anyway" because it's pure bs. If that were true, there's no harm in signing the deal, it doesn't prevent that, it only makes sure the conditions are not worse.

[@badluck5647]

Supply and demand. If you feel your labor is worth more, then find a job that pays more. If you can't find a higher paying job, then your labor isn't worth more.

[@dandavidson4717]

@@badluck5647Power imbalance. Good luck negotiating your actual value without the support of collective negotiations. Doesn’t matter how many times you change jobs, if you’re negotiating as an individual, you’re not going to be paid even near your worth.

[@badluck5647]

@@dandavidson4717 If companies aren't offering a high wage or salary, then your skills aren't in much demand or they aren't particularly valuable. There is a reason that you don't hear about doctors and accountants needing to unionize to get higher pay. Their jobs are in demand, and people with their skills aren't easily replaced. If their company isn't paying enough, then they can find a new job. Low skill workers are a dime a dozen. If you want higher pay, get educated in something valuable unstead of leeching off wider society.

[@znail4675]

@@badluck5647 Well, it's a good thing that people in Sweden don't agree with you and want better worker conditions.

[@paragonaesir1957]

The main reason we have Unions here in sweden is because we dont have a minimum wage by law. Technically, if you arent a unionized company, you can pay a pitance for labour when compared to other industries who are unionized. You also wont have to follow or buy into the many other things the Swedish Unions demand besides simple wage scales. This is the main reason why so many people are in unions here in sweden, it is generaly accepted as the rule, as the collective agreements between unions and employers set the wages, additional vecation days, and so on.

[@etuanno]

In Switzerland Tesla is compliant to the union rules. However those are not simply business-union relations, it's an agreement between all car garages / repair shops and all workers, regardless of union or not. It was made univerally valid by the government, the unions and the employers. There are lots of those agreements and roughly half of the overall people working in Switzerland are working under collective employment agreements. It's nice because people aren't allowed to strike if they are in a collective employment agreement. That's why we have so few strikes.

[@josepedrosantiagosilva9625]

Smart people. Great to know this, thanks to TLDR. Not buying a Tesla

[@MrTomandersson]

The court said that Tesla should be allowed to pick up the plates directly from the manufacturer while the case is ongoing. Unfortunately for tesla, all plates are already at the postal company and they are not forced to deliver them yet, case is still ongoing.

[@maxx4576]

Imo, that's transportstyrelsens problem. They have a mission to provide license plates to everyone, civillian or manufacturer (Tesla is a tax payer in sweden). If PostNord refuses to deliver them, transportstyrelse should take them back and find an alternative to postnord to make the deliveries. Det är riktigt pinsamt att statsfinansierade myndigheter kan skita fullständigt i sitt uppdrag pga av deras egna förhandlingar. Bryt avtalet direkt om postnord vägrar. Jag vet att man måste följa avtal, men såvide avtalet inte är så korkat skrivet att det inte kräver en motprestation av postnord, så bryter postnord sin del av avtalet i detta nu.

[@MrTomandersson]

@@maxx4576 Tycker det pinsamma snarare är Svenssons som står upp för en miljardär som vill utnyttja svenska arbetare och riva ner den svenska modellen.

[@znail4675]

@@maxx4576 Tesla is free to sign the collective agreement, that would solve all the issues. Any troubles they got because of refusing is their own fault.

[@erikstenviken2652]

@@maxx4576det är inte postnord eller TS som vägrar ge ut skyltarna, det är postnords personal som sympatistrejkar. TS och PostNord ska vara neutrala. Därför agerar de inte på något sätt. Svenska myndigheter kan inte förvägra tesla nåt men de kan inte heller vägra folk att strejka. Dessutom är lösningen enkel, skriv på kollektivavtalet. Bollen ligger faktiskt hos Tesla.

[@Swampy-ci3np]

@@znail4675 that is literally Mob behavior right there. " ehhh, you aint going signe well it be shame if your stuff does't get delviered must been a mistake, right?" they can strick but keeping them on purpose would be discriminatory

[@RaphaelAlejandro]

Didn’t Musk said his workers were free to unionise but they didn’t need to because they were treated fairly. I hope to see more unions across the globe.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

Agreed

[@notspm9157]

Why? This case in Sweden shows exactly what happens when unions get too much power. Notice how there isn't talk about the percentage of workers who went on "strike". There is also talks that IFMetals also had offered workers to strike by paying more than what their wages were which they are capable of doing because they have a large warchest. The port strikes in Canada were also telling. The workers demanded nearly a 15% wage, and the median salary was already $136k. For perspective, a software developer job in Vancouver nets $88k. The port workers held the country hostage, making additional demands like no automation. This is what happens when you have unions that have too much power. A more trivial job can become super high paying not because it requires skill or even an education but because they happen to be in a position where they strike they can effect the company the most. The UAW is another example of an union that has gone amuck. Multiple top people in the union were convicted and to an extent they can negotiate deals that work well for the top people in the union not ones that are great for the lower wages. Time and time again I have seen unions be used to essentially cater to a specific class and not "help" the people they were intended to help.

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

​@@notspm9157well that's because of how it works, it should be up to the individual worker and not collective wholle if they want to bein a union. The workers who want to will get their union benefit etc and those who don't won't get it. Although a CBA isn't related to the workers themselves but is between the company and union.

[@sebastianorye2702]

Yes, and thats why less than 10% of its 130 Swedish employees are on strike. The claim made in the video is more than 100, but it's inaccurate. Tesla sent out a mail to Tesla owners in Sweden stating that more than 90% of its employees have chosen to remain in their positions ready to welcome them. Also, while one could argue that Elons open anti union stance could scare some into not joining the union, all indications lead us to believe that interest in joining unions are extremely low. Employees interviewed in the US had little to no interest, stating the people didn't even talk about the UAW's (US union) attempt Unionising Tesla employees. Interest was so low. How do you think they managed to keep their Berlin Factory non unionised, as well as mechanic workshops around the world? This is despite letting the union hold events on site in Berlin. The reason Tesla won the lawsuit in the US mentioned in the video was because they weren't fired for unionising themselves. They were fired because they were part of a data labelling team for Autopilot AI training which had been replaced by an automated system.

[@hanneskarlbom6644]

@@sebastianorye2702 And Tesla certainly doesn't have a reason to lie about how many are on strike. /s And the US and Germany aren't Sweden.

[@joarvatnaland6904]

This is a good example of culture clash. Elon simply does not understand that in Scandinavia we have other ways of doing things, and there are "rules" to follow. He's going to find out that even he has to adapt to local customs.

[@matsfrommusic]

This is also a really easy thing to get behind, in may sound great in theory but when Tesla choose to walk away from this market because it's relatively small and there's only so much hassle you're prepared to take, then it becomes a bigger problem. I don't know that much about this so I probably shouldn't comment but I have an inherent phobia for the unions, they really love to consolidate power and sure that's what they're suppose to do in a way but they behave like the mob many times and sometimes even completely disrespect the workers and what happens to the company, it's all about getting their way it seems.

[@avihenda]

@@matsfrommusicI think you need to read up more on how unions work in Scandinavian countries. It’s in many ways a very different approach than what you are use to. I feel it’s a common mistake people do, thinking all unions globally, work the same. They all come from and are a reaction to different historical contexts, cultures and national laws. Swedes are non confrontational and tend to go for middle ground, fairness. Our unions reflect this. The fact that this conflict has become a big ugly strike speaks volumes and not to Teslas favour.

[@matsfrommusic]

​@@avihenda I'm somewhat aware as I'm Swedish. I'm not saying I know all that much about it but I've seen how some unions in Sweden work and it's far from being non confrontational. It's been instances where this have been very obvious and the most well know case I guess is from the early-mid 2000 where the union where protesting outside a restaurant in Gothenburg because they didn't approve of the employment deal the owner had with the people working there, and this was pure harassment. In this case however, this was the will of the workers themselves, it was an arrangement that made it possible for them to work there because it meant they could work unusual hours or whatever it was, I don't remember exactly. But the union didin't care about that at all and this went so far people quit and the owner eventually decided to sell the business. The Swedish municipal union behaves just like the political party it derives from, like a bully. I'm sure I'm exaggerating my feelings here, I might even be completely wrong about the Tesla/union thing too. :/

[@PMMagro]

Is there a world outside the USA??? This is risky PR-wise for Tesla here in Sweden.

[@earlgrey9329]

​​@@matsfrommusic When You don't really know anything about the subject , maybe You should get better informed before You speak out here on YT , too avoid making a fool out of Yourself !!! Just saying !!! PS: -And You are swedish ???

[@mariavienna1305]

We are powerful together ❤

[@roryokane5907]

And this is why we need to re-legalise sympathy strikes in the UK.

[@woopsserg]

This is exactly why they must be forbidden in Sweden. Unions can terrorize the business from the outside no matter how much it pays to their workers and if workers want any of that.

[@spugelo359]

@@woopsserg There's no need for business that doesn't play by the rules.

[@woopsserg]

@@spugelo359 Those are not rules.

[@NIVILI]

@@woopsserg You have fallen for progaganda, the business terrorizes the workers for profits, the worker terrorizes the business for a decent standard of living, one is morally justifiable and the other is not. Society is made by the people for the people, not by the people for the profits. You need to realise that no matter what ideology or thinkers you follow this fundamental truth.

[@darugdawg2453]

weaponized unions used to cancel political rivals

Statement from the union, IF Metall: "The strike fund will last for approximately 500 years"

[@peteroffpist1621]

just stupidly

[@Nick-rs5if]

@@peteroffpist1621 Hardly. Rights to not get fired on a whim, or being forced to work long hours for less than minimum wage are workers' rights that are well and truly worth striking for.

[@peteroffpist1621]

@@Nick-rs5if if you get fired straight away you must have done something illegal and the police is involved. If you work extra hours in Sweden that is regulated and compensated, nothing you have to worry about unless you are working illegally without a permission and in that case the union can’t make any difference.

[@kristianhartlevjohansen3541]

@@peteroffpist1621 … ever stopped to wonder HOW it came to be that way ? 🙄🙄

[@earlgrey9329]

​@@peteroffpist1621 No ! Your comment are stubbornly stupid !!! Are You some sort of rightwing employer ???

[@azurepony9972]

Update the Swedish appeals court overturned the lower court ruling allowing the postal union to block the license plates again

[@ogginator]

Great news! I'm a Swede but had stil managed to miss this

[@mattiasbrunzell8957]

This makes me very happy and proud!

[@ceefar10]

Just wow, really shows the rest of us what we can achieve if we work together for our own collective good… let’s go Sweden!

[@kwabaj1585]

Unions are destructive to economies you fool

[@hexdepixel1165]

@@grahamcook9289 are you copypasting this same reply everywhere?

[@lawrencefrost9063]

Let's go Sweden? 😂 Watching your country from Finland, I can't help but laugh at your comment. Your country is exploding from grenades and imploding from gang rapes and you say let's go Sweden when you resist Tesla preventing them from...saving the world from climate change... 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@znail4675]

@@hexdepixel1165 It's a common trait of people spreading false info.

[@woopsserg]

You forgot to ask actual Tesla mechanics if want any of that union garbage. From what I've seen they don't.

[@fredrik3685]

Team work is very appreciated by almost everyone when it comes to sports or military. Union work is Team work.

[@StrefanA]

The Swedish model implements “work peace” that forbids strikes during the time a negotiated deal is in place. Sweden has less strike days than the other Nordic countries. Also much that is set by law in other countries such as minimum wage and retirement agreements is decided between unions and companies by collective bargaining. Companies in Sweden choosing to NOT acknowledge collective bargaining have much more freedoms to do as they please than they can in most other countries that have laws regarding this. The collective bargaining gives the Swedish work environment a great stability that the Swedish employers like. The understanding is also that the union and employers of a certain sector have a great understanding of the practicality and economic feasibility of improvements for the workers, an understanding that politicians in Stockholm may lack.

[@genosseunge7089]

Wo Unrecht zu Recht wird wird Widerstand zur Pflicht!!! Viel Glück den schwedischen Genossen

[@mururoa7024]

Your avatar picture is misguided (all current communist countries exploit workers instead of protecting them), but I do agree with strong worker protection.

[@GoldScrapful]

I can already say, from the first 1½ minutes who's gonna win: The Unions. They're too strong in the nordics for any company to say "fuck you".

[@nielsjensen4185]

As McD found out in 1980.

[@crocutalcorvus444]

Go Sweden! We support you Greetings from Norway.

[@peteroffpist1621]

Union leftists are about too loose there influence on average people.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

What are the demands of the Union, this is a video for manipulation: no information on the union demands, we can't know who is right here.

[@peteroffpist1621]

@@jaimeduncan6167 the demand is that Tesla signs a agreement that gives new workers a lower salary and no benefits. That’s why the workers are not on strike because they already have a better deal. As they already have a contract they will not loose as they can keep the old deal. But it will cost Tesla a lot more to be Unionized and the Union and its members will try to put pressure on those 90% of the workers at Tesla that don’t want to pay $50.00 to the union as a member fee.

[@slavianalbanovich9025]

​@@jaimeduncan6167you can find the information in other videos or in newspaper articles.

[@osscarfransson]

@@jaimeduncan6167 just google it, simple as that - you will find plenty of info

[@erwinhun]

Many Swedish companies are actively encouraging collective agreements since the union is forbidden by law to strike for as long as one is active. If I recall correctly Sweden's labour market is the one with the least number of strikes in the democratic world.

[@the11382]

Less than the Netherlands, with the poldermodel?

[@mikaelgranberg7928]

Annual averages of days not worked due to strikes per 1,000 employees 2021 where in Sweden 0 and in the Netherlands 16. So both of those countries are at the bottom of the charts.@@the11382

[@hebjeevenvoormijclippies8646]

​@@the11382We have many strikes over here in the Netherlands. Especially the last couple of years.

[@peteroffpist1621]

Not true I have been against Unions all my life, never accepted the shit.

[@Darca1n]

@@peteroffpist1621 Then you've been eating boot polish for your entire life.

[@jakobrosenqvist4691]

I run a small company in Sweden, and I have a piece of advice for Mr Musk and anyone else hoping to establis themselves in Sweden: Sign the collective agreament. It will be cheaper in the long run and it's the right thing to do.

[@billweberx]

If 90% of the Tesla employees don't want to join a union, then it's not the right thing to do. Tesla is not as concerned about it being cheaper than they are setting an example for other factories to follow.

[@sebastianorye2702]

What benefits does Tesla get from it? Less than 10% of Teslas workers in Sweden are striking according to Teslas mail to owners of its cars in Sweden. This contradicts the claims (which are sourced from older sources than the mail).

[@Patrick462]

you sound like a mob boss

[@FromFame]

I have a piece of advice for you if you plan on not being a cute company in little Sweden anymore: Sabotaging a business bc of your insecurity won't keep you there for long outside of Sweden. My advice? Become competent. You already are? Then you should not have a problem.

[@jakobrosenqvist4691]

@@sebastianorye2702 because they are getting a massive bad reputation, and if they don't get that sorted they will start seeing sales dropping a lot in the near future.

[@ItsAweeb]

Yeap this should be obvious, but if you do business in a country you play by their rules. In Northern Europe these rules include labor unions, Musk is free to disagree but it wont change the reality

[@Swampy-ci3np]

most these are not rules......

[@ItsAweeb]

@@Swampy-ci3np i dont mean literal rules. some things just wont fly in northern europe period

[@CoverCode]

sympathy strike are awesome, if it was not legal in Denmark McDonalds would not most likely not be in a union here, because sure they can hire their workers without a union, but when they cant get drivers to get their food, buy the food from farmers, get stuff taken off cargo ships, or get any building build, then it is very hard to actually run a business, and at that point its just better to accept the union

[@nielsjensen4185]

You forget "cleaned and printed," since the cleaners' union and the printer's union joined that sympathy strike.

[@vonnikon]

Major omission in the video: Tesla called in strikebreakers. The last time a company did that in Sweden was in 1931. The conflict got so bad, five workers were killed. So strike breakers is a sensitive topic, and essentially the worst offence a company can do against a Swedish union. Once Tesla went that route, they sealed their fate. The union will kick Tesla out of Sweden unless they sign.

[@Rakhtor]

The Ådalen shootings 1931. Here is a wiki on it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85dalen_shootings

[@eamdude]

Oh, there has been lots of strikes and "strikebreakers" in Sweden since 1931.

[@earlgrey9329]

​@@eamdude -BUT no killings right ???

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

the US might be poorly unionized but in sweden every major industry is represented by some sort of union generally. IFMETALL is by far one of the biggest and most influencial, and i cant help but feel that Elon has made a major mistake picking a fight with them. Sweden is one of the most energy focused countries in europe to the point where they export energy to other european countries. this is one of the reasons why russia "shutting off the gas" wasnt as effective as they thought it would be. Swedes are not freezing in their homes, because we use electric and wood heating. The implication for Tesla then is that one of the most viable electric car markets might risk turning hostile towards them if they keep this shit up.

[@jjreddick377]

American here. The destruction of Unions in the US has led to a disaster. Much higher crime, poverty and poorer health amongst workers. And despite this, greedy corporations continue to flee to the 3rd world. Keep fighting and don’t give up

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@jjreddick377They’re not actually fleeing to the third world. There has been a recent revival starting in the last years of the Obama Administration. Cheap Energy makes it easier to absorb higher labor costs.

[@loowyatt6463]

Musk is also stubborn as hell. Especially with this being global news, he's not going to give in and look weak. Frankly, I half expect him to just wait them out. The unions may have lots of funds, but they'll have to recoup those funds afterward, and nobody will be happy paying more to their union.

[@thebear7128]

wood heating isn't that big of an factor our recycling system that creates natural gas is the real reason why we do not need russian gas.

[@avexionix]

@@loowyatt6463 According to IF Metall's own numbers, they have almost 1 billion dollars to work with, and they themselves have said they are happy to wait it out. So we will see how it plays out in the long run.

[@V3ntilator]

Norway which is the biggest Tesla country already threatened Tesla on behalf of Sweden..

[@gcard2112]

The reasoning behind/history of Sweden’s massive unionization was a little thin. That’s what I came for. I learned more by reading comments than by listening to the video. The title says “why”, the content was 90% just reporting on what has happened, which I already knew. Thanks!

[@sw1nkz50]

They weren't successful in their suing of Postnord, and the Swedish department of Transportation, the courts sided with Postnord, and they rejected Tesla's appeal.

[@Alex901028]

For those of you who wonder how long the strike can last. IF Metall has enough founds to aid the strikers for at least 1000 years. I know this as a member of said union of Sweden

[@lawrencefrost9063]

That seems excessive. Why would they hoard so many resources? Why would you have a rainy day fund that large? It's not wise, it's not effective to save too much money. A rainy day fund is not supposed to be a rainy millenium fund.

[@Alex901028]

@@lawrencefrost9063 That is not only the amount being stockpiled since the mid 90s, it is also includes the fee that everyone else of us 300 000 members are supporting with

[@znail4675]

@@lawrencefrost9063 The fact that Tesla thinks it's a good idea to wait out the Union is why they have such a large strike fund.

[@MrKalleKnast]

@@lawrencefrost9063 so they can say "come at us bro we can strike for hundreds of years". Not exactly rocket science why you would build up such a powerful leverage.

[@frida507]

@@lawrencefrost9063 Strikes are very unusual in Sweden and the Tesla workers aren't that many. But the funds could support a strike with thousands of workers if needed.

[@bradb4740]

So this is what it's like in a country where corporations don't own your government.

[@Jonas_M_M]

Unions do.

[@the11382]

@@grahamcook9289No, Sweden's labor costs would never compete with China or Vietnam even without unions.

[@carlhaeggman2378]

US manufacturing got demolished by Asian labor as well even though they barely have unions. To compete with Asia you need wages so low that you cant even afford food in Sweden.@@grahamcook9289

[@Simon-xt8mv]

@@Jonas_M_M That is a better alternative.

[@Brakvash]

Unions don't own government. We have three powerful blocks sharing power in Sweden - the government, the businesses and the unions. This is the foundation of our social democracy.

[@sofiasoderstrand3094]

It's probably a bit simplistic to say Tesla won the lawsuit. One local court has ruled that, afai understand it, they have to allow the plates to be collected. Another court in another region ruled against Tesla. As I understand it, the rulings also only concern if the plates should be delivered while the overall case is handled

[@mpettersson]

They have won the lawsuit in such because a state service is not allowed to operate outside the law and deny equal service

[@sofiasoderstrand3094]

@@mpettersson no, they haven't won the lawsuit. Like, I don't know what else to say. It's still ongoing, and different regions have ruled different in this one matter, which still isn't the whole lawsuit

[@georgesbv1]

A 3rd party union cannot claim to strike against one particular customer, without penalties.

[@sofiasoderstrand3094]

@@georgesbv1 what do you mean? Sympathy strikes are perfectly legal in Sweden

[@georgesbv1]

@@sofiasoderstrand3094 Yet, the company can face penalties due to discriminatory behavior against one since customer. The Swedish Post workers can strike all they want as long as they strike for every one. If only targeting Tesla it is not a strike, it is insubordination and since company can face penalties, people jobs can be terminated for that.

[@BernasLL]

Swedish unions are an example that unions and citizens everywhere in Europe should learn from.

[@maxx4576]

As a Swede i can't agree. This strike is terrible for our economy at the moment. Our BNP falling, as in not even slow increse. Have a Giant company leaving sweden, which im 90% sure Tesla will, is a clear signal for other giant companies to stay away from investing in sweden. Tesla workers have better salaries than regular mechanics, hence why over 50% won't participate in the strike. We're not sure how many are striking as IF Metall claims 50%, while tesla claims 90% are still working. These sympathy strikes are ridiculous, and shouldnt be allowed imo.

[@ZnakeTech]

@@maxx4576 If Tesla are already paying more, why not just sign? Unions just want guarantees for some minimum standards, companies are free to go beyond that to attract employees.

[@ΣτελιοςΠεππας]

​@ZnakeTech They want sign because it will set a precedent. Today Sweden, tomorrow Germany and soon America.

[@znail4675]

@@ΣτελιοςΠεππας But that is not Swedish Unions fault and not their problem. Lots of international companies have made exceptions already for such deals in Sweden while not doing so outside.

[@CarlosKTCosta]

@@maxx4576 I think that is terribly short sighted but hey, we're all gonna be slaves to big companies sooner rather than later, might as well just get used to it.

[@kronop8884]

Lets get this straight - The union "IF Metall" acted only once more than 50% of the mechanics joined the union, there is no thing like unionizing a company in Sweden or any of the Nordic countries -The right to organise in a union and the right for the union to call out workers to strike is protected by the Swedish constitution -Since the Swedish government has a hands off approach to the labor market not legislating on terms like minimum wage its up to the unions and employer organisations to agree on the minimum basic terms and compensation for overtime etc , something that is done by sectoral collective agreements -90% of all workers in Sweden are covered by sectoral collective agreements even though only 70% of the workforce are union members, this is because most employers choose to apply the agreed terms to all their employees regardless if they are union members or not -Unions in Sweden and indeed the other nordic countries are seen as partners by the the companies, working towards win-win solutions to any situations that may arise -The tradition of sectoral collective agreements has resulted in a labour market that is very stable where strikes and conflict are few and far between, benefitting workers and employers alike. -Finally, the world is a diverse place and typically someone moving to, or starting a business in, a new country is generally expected to adapt and integrate, this goes for migrants and billionaires alike

[@nielsjensen4185]

Yup, Melon Husk is so fucked, there's no way Tesla will win this. All that matters is whether the board decides to fire Husk first due to him costing the investors major business and value, Husk gives in, or Tesla leaves Scandinavia.

[@grimaffiliations3671]

The unions also have enough money to remain on strike for decades in their strike fund

[@GegoXaren]

Centuaries* They can pay strike-pay for Centuaries.

[@MaskinJunior]

You are wrong about what makes a sucessful export nation. It is not low wages, it is high productivity. The swedish worker is about twice as productive in GDP/worked hours than American Workers. Mostly this is due to our high skill and use of automation and self managing. Teslas law-siut has not been settled yet, what they were granted was a temporary ruling they may be allowed to pick up the licence plates at the manufacturers site until the law-suit is stettled in court.

[@ericmyrs]

Musk essentially has three options. Pull out of Scandinavia in it's entirety, ceding a small, but significant market to Volkswagen and other traditional auto makers. Secondly, he could enter a protracted battle with what is essentially the entirety of Scandinavian society, which he will not win, losing all credibility in the process, or he could concede, which seems unlikely.

[@RabbitShirak]

Not Scandinavian, but Nordic. Finland joined the strike as well.

[@eamdude]

Tesla should just go on like they do. This is a ridiculous strike and everyone knows it. There are only 13 technicians (of 120) on strike at Tesla - but there are over 16 unions using sympathy strikes in 70 companies blocking services to Tesla and these poor unrelated companies are losing customers and business. Tesla is keeping quiet so only the union propaganda is heard and the quality of their statements is more like an 11-year old. If you have a Tesla it can be hard to get service, and if you rely on Tesla chargers they also not getting serviced. This is not popular, normal citizens getting hurt.

[@ericmyrs]

@@eamdude If one company can weasel its way out of a collective bargaining agreement, others will follow. We're not going to let that happen. If you pick a fight with LO (be it the Swedish, Danish, Norwegian or Finish org) you're gonna have a bad time.

[@Ylfven]

Tesla didn't win against the postalservice, they won against the transportation(don't know the word) but against postalservice they didn't win or lose, the court said the postalservice needs to answer first before they can go on.

[@DNA912]

what I think many international viewers don't know is that there is no minimum wage in Swedish law. It is completely legal for a employer to pay there worker $0.1/hour. CBA is the minimum wage, not your necessary wage, many workers at companies with a CBA have a higher wage then the CBA. The CBA also is in place, even if you as an individual are not a member of the union, the CBA is between the company and the union as a whole. I don't see tesla winning this fight.

[@davidioanhedges]

Tesla has caved before - it had it's own connector, and would not let others use it's chargers ... in Europe anyone can use it's chargers, and they must allow anyone to use a standard EU connector Swedish Unions are not to be messed with, they don't often strike because they don't need to ...

[@TheBooban]

This was actually unfortunate. Tesla connector is so much better.

[@mohdafnanazmi1674]

In America it is the reverse, they are going to use the Tesla NACS standard after Ford and a lot of other companies because of the Tesla supercharger being so numerous and reliable.

[@sebastianorye2702]

The video claims that over 100 employees are striking (out of 130). This is based on an outdated claim by the union. Tesla, in a letter to Swedish Tesla owners stated that over 90% of their employees have chosen to remain in their position, ready to serve customers. Other internal sources claim it may be as low a 6 people that are striking. Plus, opening up its network was not because of regulation, it was because it could. Why let chargers sit unoccupied when it could be making money and giving a better EV experience to all EV users in Europe. It was always the plan, they just had to expand it at first. Thats why it's slowly opening other markets as well. Plus, its mission is Accelerating the world's transition to sustainable energy.

[@znail4675]

@@sebastianorye2702 Trolls should stop copy pasting false info.

[@sebastianorye2702]

@@znail4675 Hey again ;)

[@TheBooban]

This is the first report that says the workers walked out and you cannot buy Teslas. All reports are that it’s business as usual and though the union declared strike, the workers didn’t and continued to work.

[@kingofhearts3185]

Glad to hear it considering how few people actually votes to strike. It would be a hostage situation, not democratic.

[@znail4675]

@@KurtFrederiksen Yes, any companies that buys company cars are very unlikely to buy Tesla as long as this strike is going on as the risk is too great for future problems. In the end, the factory can keep running, but if no cars gets sold or transported anywhere, then it wont make money.

[@nielsjensen4185]

Btw, what choice do they have? They have no collective agreement. They have to work to be able to afford basic necessities. Rent still needs to be paid and food still needs to be eaten. Melon Husk would absolutely fire the workers unless they gave Tesla a glowing effort against the unions and then they would be unable to pay the cost of living. He's done so in other places. That has a chilling effect on future action by the employees since he owns their job unless they have a collective bargaining agreement.

[@TheBooban]

@@nielsjensen4185 actually Sweden is a welfare state so nobody has to work for the basics. And it’s a myth the union protects your from getting fired. We get fired all the time. Union just ensures the basics. It’s very pro business in Sweden. Just that Americans are thinking they are like unions in the US. It’s different here.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

You know your business is going well when you have to sue a sovereign entity for the 'right' to destroy the right of your workers to freely associate.

[@maxx4576]

The reason the sued transportstyrelse, swedish DMV. Is becuase they are in charge of producing licence plates. They have an agreement with PostNord, our nationwide postal service, where they only allow PostNord to deliver the plates, you are not even allowed to pick them up yourself. So, the reason they sued, and why the did the right thing in this regard, it that transportstyrelsen by LAW, have to make sure the plates are delivered to the end customer/tax payer. If there choice of postal service can't deliver their mission, transportstyrelsen have to find another way to fulfill their mission. This is why they sued the state essentially. It's a slippery slope when the state by proxy join in on the blockade, since they by law are prohibited to, and if they can just flat out ignore their mission, why should I pay taxes to finance them if they don't have to deliver?

[@Kian139]

The can associate all they want? What I can't fugure out is what problem the agreement would solve.

[@janjohansson2567]

​@@maxx4576 Well, Transportstyrelsen would be sued either way - by PostNord for breaching their contract by using another carrier, or by Tesla. I find it hard to believe there is some political motivation from Transportstyrelsen to "join", I'm sure their legal team had the final say on this. "why the did the right thing in this regard", "why should I pay taxes to finance them if they don't have to deliver" etc clearly shows your bias. Swedish workers have the right to, by law, go on strike, as well as other actions (blockades, etc). And that causes inconvenience for others, that's the point. It is perfectly legal for any employer (private or public) to circumvent any consequences of a strike, but it's also perfectly legal (and quite expected) for workers to expand their strike as a consequence for doing so. Let's say Transportstyrelsen would decide to find another carrier to transport their plates - well, obviously their workers would also refuse to touch Tesla plates. Un-unionized workers? Blockade, etc. Also - "why should I pay taxes to finance them if they don't have to deliver". I highly doubt registration plates are paid for by tax payers. The real slippery slope here is if unions lose their power enough to make collective agreements "optional" for employers to follow. Most of Swedish worker's rights are not in the law, but in collective agreements. (Swedish law does not even have a minimum wage in law - instead various collective agreements have minimum wages taylored for different industries.) This is the established "Swedish model". You may not like it, and it sure has its flaws, but if you want to tear it down you have to be prepared to replace it with something else because the default is something much, much worse.

[@xh3598]

Sweden is the icing on the cake to bankrupt Tesla. I want Diesel and regular gas to last forever. When Sweden wins the battle, the union across the globe will win against Tesla, which spells bankruptcy because Elon will EXIT with his SHARES to venture into other projects.

[@knirb9]

The strong unions and union culture in Sweden/Scandinavia is one of the biggest reasons for our high living standards

[@susannradal9303]

It is all of the Nordics now not only Denmark and Sweden nobody messes with our sibbling it is our privilige😅🇧🇻

[@Nick-rs5if]

We've been siblings for a thousand years, and we will remain so until the end of time. Nobody will mess with us, but us. As a Swedish saying goes, relatives are the worst! 😂🇸🇪

[@7UVA]

If tesla dont want to play by our rules, they should sell to someone who will.

[@outforbeer]

Rules that was changed after tesla entered the market

[@SuperMario-jx8zp]

No poblem, Tesla moves out, Sweden loses the jobs, the investment, the corporate tax, the workers income tax.

[@JorgenKreedz]

​@@SuperMario-jx8zp But they are not slaves to capitalism, which they consider a win, which is exactly why this is happening in the first place.

[@SuperfluousIndividual]

What's insane, Mr.Musk, is thinking you can strongarm entire countries to do whatever you wish, and forcing them to work under your terms. It's another typical case of "the average American finds out the world doesn't work under ridiculous American laws". It is baffling, and I hope other countries do the same when it comes to protecting their employees.

[@williambarnebee40]

I wanted a Model S so bad... Now, I'll never buy a Tesla. As long as the Emerald Prince is the owner, I won't touch anything he sells, if can help it. Dude is not a good person.

[@1337mazix]

Sweden we stand with🇸🇪

[@alanthomson1227]

I’m hoping that many prospective buyers will now reconsider and boycott the cars altogether

[@jjreddick377]

I made the mistake of purchasing a model 3 two years ago. Terrible battery life and numerous other issues.

[@theuser810]

@@grahamcook9289 You are copy-pasting this response on all the comments.

[@itisabird]

@@grahamcook9289 Many countries have lost most of their engineering and manufacturing in the last few decades. However, most of them never had strong unions to start with. Strong unions tend to increase salaries, true, but they are not the only reason why companies decide to go overseas. Unless you want to live in a society that barely earns enough to eat, workers need to fight for salary rises. Companies are not gonna raise them from the warmth of their heart.

[@theuser810]

@@grahamcook9289 Calm down, lol. I'm just saying, you could've posted your opinion as a non-response comment and discussed your points there.

[@mpettersson]

I am truly looking to boycott PostNord over this

[@theuglykwan]

Tesla either withdraws from Sweden or agrees but then slowly withdraws. They prob rather give up Sweden than encourage their workers to do the same globally.

[@larswallin652]

This is awsome, workers need to stick together so we get a fair wage and to not let ourselfs be bullied. Billioners cant make money whitout us.

[@ObjectiveTruthRefinary]

You can't make money without billionaires Either... If you could you would not work for a billionaire

[@larswallin652]

@@ObjectiveTruthRefinary That not true there are plenty of small and medium size businessens that dont have billionair owners. That said Musk and other entrepenours are very important to a countrys economy. But they also benefit from that economy interms of the infrastructure and stabilitys of the nations they operate inn. Meaning they shud be requierd to both pay a fair wage and a fair tax. Really taxes are just insurance of your assets.

[@Lemmy4555]

@@larswallin652 you can be a large size company and have a reasonable CEOs though, the problem is not billioners, the problem is employers that damage a country economy by paying less their employees.

[@larswallin652]

@@Lemmy4555 I agree there, i think the issue is tax avoidance and underpaying employees.

[@Asgath]

@@ObjectiveTruthRefinary You can't become a billionaire without...your daddies emerald mines (and all of your workers).

[@BOZ_11]

"Together we stand, divided we fall"

[@AlexWall-z5n]

Tesla is all over the world you idiots

[@AlexWall-z5n]

Tesla 💪 without unions

[@BOZ_11]

@@AlexWall-z5n Median usual WEEKLY earnings of US full-time wage and salary workers who were union members was $1,144 in 2021. Median usual WEEKLY earnings for non-union full-time workers was $958 in 2021.

[@JaharNarishma]

This just popped un in my feed, a month late. Just want to add that this reminds me of when Toys'R'us started up in Sweden. The6 tried to unionless route only to be halted by no building maintenance and goods transport. Sympathy strikes got them hard.

[@Rancid-Jane]

Same here. First I saw this on my u-toob feed.

[@charliehelmijr]

We have to show these arrogant exploitative companies that they either bow down and play by our rules, or go the f away. This is not the Wild Wild West US. You are welcome here, until you are not.

[@P3113Fant]

Just a fact correction. Tesla dud not win in court. What the ruling said was that Tesla have the right to pick the registration plates up from the post terminal themselves as its their property. A few days later this was reverted.

[@muffinmendy7327]

🎶Solidarity forever, Solidarity forever 🎶

[@michaelk.jensen1611]

@@grahamcook9289 Why do you think that? When we unionise we also incorporate upskilling and education, which keeps us updated and highly skilled. I know some factories and companies moved out but i dont believe that is because of unions, it would also be unfortunate that the only way you could have engineering and manufacturing if you exploit the engineers with bad salaries and unsafe working environments and other form of exploitation. So i dont believe that to be the case. I know we have quite a few high tech companies around Scandinavia still. To me its more about letting hedge funds buy out our resources, with people that doesnt care about the core expertise and production that the companies execute. We have a high consolidation that stops competition and we have tax systems that gives these investments money and and makes them able to deduct expenses in a way that makes everyone else pay for them, they have a almost completely free distribution of money and resources and can deduct and transfer the expenses to other parts of the society for what they should pay. While our burden increases not only paying for our selves but also covering the expense for these investment firms double over.

[@christopherx7428]

Misleading thumbnail: The prime minister Kristersson has nothing to do with the unions calling for strike!

[@Vercixx]

I thumbed down because of the error with the trials which is a very big error imho. Tesla sued the mailing company (PostNord) and the transport/traffic agency (let's call it the Agency). Tesla won with the Agency meaning that the Agency is obliged to deliver the plates though any means, not just exclusively through PostNord as the Agency claimed - this means Tesla can pick up the plates themselves. In the meantime Tesla lost with PostNord meaning PostNord is allowed to block deliveries to Tesla. Tesla did not sue any unions yet (Seko, IF Metall, etc)

[@Bo2diddly]

This started to happen in the 90's in the construction and transportation area in Sweden, with companies from abroad, especially from Eastern Europe, carry out work in Sweden without a collective agreement. Accidents increased ( some drivers didn't even have license for the vehicle they were driving ) , fraudulent constructions increased by not following material guidelines and building standards..... just a few points.

[@Luka_Tim]

The longer Tesla fights this, the more it will cost them, union's in Germany, France etc will eventually get involved if need be.

[@casbot71]

Well this will really help with Twitter/X's standing with the EU when it comes to avoiding being banned for violating EU rules on hate speech and having moderators.

[@jonevansauthor]

Are you saying the EU is completely corrupt and will try and use two completely unrelated issues with two completely separate companies, and a union that's trying to force themselves on workers a majority of whom don't want their interference, in order to punish Twitter? That would be really dodgy.

[@mpettersson]

Wrong. The very model that the unions are looking to protect are at risk because of EU minimum wage directives that threaten the very existence of the Swedish unions main role

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

@@jonevansauthor how to say "im a staunch muskrat" without saying "im a muskrat". first off, no, the EU isn't "completely corrupt", its moreso the other way around. Whereas the EU might have provided leeway and breathing room before because "foreign industry is good", when Tesla shows a complete disregard for the countries it operates in and said country's workers, maintaining the olive branch is significantly harder. call it corruption, call it duplicitious, i call it self preservation. secondly, the union isn't forcing itself on the workers. what is this tired old bullshit? the reason labour unions are so powerful once they get off the ground (and the workers arent immediatly fired) is because the absolute bulk of workers join them and support them as they benefit from the fruits of the labour union's successes. collective bargaining is always preferred whenever it isnt being browbeaten by authoritarian union-busting laws. Americans might be stupid enough to believe that "labour unions stand in the way between a worker and his employer" but northern europeans know better. we dont fall for that shit, we know what it looks like when a worker stands alone, and it isnt good.

[@JSmith19858]

No doubt, no doubt. Minimum wage is the only thing unions are there to protect. It's not like they fight for anything else, or provide people with any other support. It's just wages. Only wages. I'm sure someone as mentally stable and grounded as Elong would give people a 5 day week and paid holiday leave, if they didn't exist.

[@casbot71]

@jonevansauthor No, I'm saying that when you have _broken important rules_ (Hate speach on Twitter) and are going to have to beg to avoid the consequences, being a dick to a "friend" of the people who decide your fate is not a smart move. It goes to character.

[@HåkanWittlåck]

The workers didn´t walk out!

[@humanbeast2255]

I don't know who elon musk thinks he is. I mean if you want to have employees in Europe than you have to follow our rules. I mean if he would start a factory in Asia he wouldn't pay them the same as in Europe. So you have to live with the benefits and disadvantages of the nation where your factory is.

[@avveb9644]

Unions and employeers want the same thing, for the company to prosper. The difference is that the union want their workers the have a good living wage.

[@florianschneider3982]

90% of Tesla Sweden employees want nothing to do with the strike. The fact that this strike even exists proves that the union is not about the workers but about power.

[@Omegas_XB]

​@@florianschneider3982 Yeah it's about taking power from those who have wealth, to the interest of the majority. That's how unions work.

[@florianschneider3982]

@@Omegas_XB The majority of Tesla employees are obviously against it and the rest of the population has nothing to do with it.

[@Omegas_XB]

​@@florianschneider3982 That doesn't change the fact that unions represent the worker. Even if 10% of a company's workforce is supporting a change, it needs to be accounted for. They weren't asking anything too crazy, Multi billion dollar corporations can easily approve to send some millions to improve people's lives. Yet they didn't.

[@florianschneider3982]

@@Omegas_XB But you do realize that you just said that you are against democracy? Tesla workers should vote and unions should abide by the vote. But the union knows it would lose a democratic election and is using its control of the economy to start a war.

[@tjay84]

An American company tries to fight the nordic model.. Already know you is going to win.. 🇸🇪🇩🇰🇳🇴🇫🇮🇮🇸

[@trygvehadland9560]

I think this is the beginning of the end for Tesla in Europe...... This is also about reputation.... and it was not the best to begin with..... Go Sweden..... Best wishes from Norway!

[@maximiliankarlsson1484]

I like Kristersson, but using him in the thumbnail is just wrong. He has nothing to do with the unions and has barely made any comments on this.

[@kbqvist]

Time for Elon to learn to eat humble pie? 🤔

[@balooc2]

For people who arent familiar with the unions in sweden, its Basically the foundation to our society we live in today. in mid 1800's people were hired and fired sometimes the same days, so to stop this the workers started to save some of their wages in a collective savings fund to help support the once who lost their job. over time the nobility tried to stop them from organizing and banned gatherings of different kinds( an early state of a union). after the socaldemocratic party was denied representation in the swedish rikdag ( the swedish parlament) they called for an uprising from the people and started to strike, after that they were granted representation and over time became the largest party in sweden with at some point got over 50% of the nations votes. This system was fought for for the better part of 50 years and has made sweden what it is today. a common man wasnt dirtpoor anymore and could afford a home, a car, and even vacation. all this while working under fair conditions. to back down from the principals that we take for granted shouldnt be an option. if IF metall caves ( they wont) it would most likely start a chain reaction that would be a downward spiral into americanization and we would have people living on the streets and people working 3 jobs with crazy housing prices etc. The people that are all for "no collectives agreement" dont realize that there is not guarantee that it would be better.

[@tbthegr81]

Nitpick maybe but the money shown at 3:35 isn't Swedish Krona, those ar Norvegian krone :P

[@hallongrotta9114]

Why is there a picture of ulf Kristersson in the thumbnail? He is actively making unions weaker, we are extremely lucky to have strong unions from before he came to power

[@bmfairweather]

I hope Tesla gets kicked out.

[@vikass0282]

Thought this would be fitting. Swedish: Här vilar en svensk arbetare stupad i fredstid vapenlös, värnlös Arkebuserad av okända kulor Brottet var hunger Glöm honom aldrig English: Here rests a Swedish worker fallen in a time of peace unarmed, defenceless Fusilladed by bullets unknown The crime was hunger Never forget him A poem by Erik Blommberg. Written on the gravestone belonging to the people who were shot for striking in Ådalen in 1931.

[@ON-YT]

Go Sweden!!

[@samolofsson2401]

No court in sweden have made it clear that the postal system needs to deliver the plates they won againgst the Transportstyrelsen which means Tesla should get the plates put postnord is not obligated to deliver the plates

[@andersstromqvist2211]

The price of defating the union will be worse for tesla in the end. Sweden can avoid many of the eu workers law becus the workers and the companies negotiat. If the union gets to weak Sweden will lose its exemptions and businesses will ge hit by the eu hammer

[@Sammy-forgetaboutit-Tony]

Not signing the agreement is like spitting on Scandinavian culture and traditions....

[@grimaffiliations3671]

This is inspirational stuff. Solidarity forever

[@alphaviki7987]

Funfact: Solidarity strikes were banned in the UK by Margeret Thatcher. (Tbf though that was kinda to be expected.)

[@Nick-rs5if]

"The freer the market, the freer the exploitation of workers." Or something to that effect. 🙄

[@chernoalpha107]

I’m from the USA and our labor market is messed up. Hope the rest of the world doesn’t give in keep your unions stong

[@svansylt3946]

Some errors in this video. Tesla did not sue Postnord, but sued Transportstyrelsen. The court said that Transportstyrelsen have to provide lisence plated, but ALSO said that Postnord does not have to deliver anything anything. So they won the right to acquire the plates, but the plates still won't be delivered, and there is no other current legal way to provide them to Tesla than through Postnord.

[@CandyGirl44]

So much for Musk's stated goals in life: to improve humanity with innovations and eliminate poverty. Firing workers left right and centre, making the workforce work inhumane hours, he's a walking hot mess of contradictions.

[@Blank-lp4fz]

Elon does not care about a long term positive reputation. He's most likely a narcissist, considering he says things to seem like a nice person. It works though, his fans gobble it up like pigs in a slop trough.

[@theprinceofawesomeness]

i say this as a swed who don't know what's going on, but Tesla is acting borderline illegal

[@henke2101]

Tesla has no choice but to sign. In Sweden you cannot exploit people like in the US we have laws that are for the people not against them

[@Swampy-ci3np]

Tesla isn't exploiting anyone, and please cite the legal code that forces Tesla sign.

[@henke2101]

If it is the case that no one has been exploited why is it a strike.

[@henke2101]

He will never win this sign or leave!

[@Swampy-ci3np]

@@henke2101 because people will demand unreasonable things. Unions agree. Unions have fought to prevent workers from falsely claiming exploitation for years now. A fact is that at most 50% on strike according to the Union, According to Tesla about 10% of workers.

[@henke2101]

There are 2 options sign or leave end of story!@@Swampy-ci3np

[@kjell-egonstrandh5334]

It is typical when USA -companys comes to Sweden. They never understand that they have left USA, and landed in an other country. That happened to John Deere and Caterpillar. If you go to an other country you must respect the country and not believe it is ruled by USA.